They Nerf Johnny So Bad He's Laughable Now | The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
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What gets me is they kinda lied. The question came came up in the last q&a they did about nerfing Johnny's swing, and Matt said that Johnny was working as intended. Then they turned around and actually made him the worst character in the whole game. I hope maybe we can make enough noise that they'll tweak him back.
no srsly. I was kind of devastated when I played him after the new patch, bc they said they weren’t gonna do anything with his lunge and went and messed with it anyway. I hope he gets reverted back bc I miss the speed
they really don't have any brains when it comes to changing johnny, how do you make a character unable to sprint and melee now they making johnny a horrible tracker and bootleg leatherface
We already have Cook and Sissy for blood harvest. Johnny should be the dog of the family, ie, bloodhound. His tracking ability is PERFECT for his character and his swings resembles that of a dog so it'll make sense for his lungses to be further then anyone else in the family. Take some of his base savage down, maybe five or six, but give us a tiny bit more of his endurance and give us more skill points. Like ffs, he's their dlc illegitimate child.
I was so hyped to be able to actually play my favourite character with the LF change, just for him to be nerfed into the ground :/
regret coming back to the game a lil
If they wanted to make Johnny's tracking worse, they could have kept the idea of crouching helping against him, but only for him picking you up initially. Once Johnny has found your tracks, he should be on you. You weren't sneaking around, you made tracks, he knows how to track you. But if you crouch around and he uses his ability to check for prints, you haven't left any for him to scan. Something like that could have been interesting. Or don't tell victims when he has their trail. Why does it do that? That makes absolutely no sense. "Oh man, I somehow know that Johnny sniffed my feet. Time to crouch everywhere." Huh? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Agree, they did the same for Nancy and the survivor can twerk you or look down or spinning around to mess you up
i think they shouldnt have touched johnny at all…
Yea he was already the worst killer besides maybe sissy but now he is just bad
Agreed
Johnny is still good his ability is just useless they need to change it back
They should have? He was way too op because of Johnny mains using the build that’s instant death for victims and I’m glad it’s been nerfed
@XxRonoxX-xd4xy no the ability should not have gotten nerfed everyone has a ability but the lunging yes I think he is still great tbh speed and hard hitting is great
The second nerf was alright but now he is just piss poor to play as I would rather play hitchhiker with scout serrated and easy tuckered out
This is like the cyrax nerf in mk1. To the ground with cyrax but johnny cage is untouched. People just want tcm to be victim sided instead of playing both sides
@Griffith4555 I have to disagree the game has always favored to victims the problem is most victims are bad players and a cordnated family easily can take them out but a full group of victims can destroy even the best family teams sometimes it also can come down to what map it is as well
@Griffith4555 Never said it was I said that's what is going to happen. Gun is going to cater to the majority. Because of this the game will never be balanced. There will be more nerfs than buffs.
One victim can win the match for every other victim but as family you really need a full team with mics otherwise as a solo family player its frustrating as fuck
@plsdosmthingthey never going to admit it because if they die a few rounds and that makes family instantly op for them. I played so many matches as solo family against really good victims and and had the feeling that i have no chance at all.
I dont think victims are op its the perks they have that are strong as hell.
Choose flight,what doesnt kill you and that one perk after you going through a gap you became usain bolt for a few seconds which makes it near impossible to catch them at some point if the victim know how to use it properly.
Someone finally sticking up for us Johnny mains, he’s actually unplayable now.
I'm99LV Johnny main player.
He doesn't need a nerf.
He needs to revert 100% to what he was before he got nerf.
and it's very easy to deal with him. not knowing how to deal with him is the skill issue of the victim player.
because I am Johnny main, I know how to deal with him when I play victim.
And he's weak enough for 99LV player pro victim players.
But I'm sure. People who have low levels beginners , or people who have never deal with pro victims with Johnny, they won't understand what I'm saying.
In fact, Johnny can easily get 3-4 kills only for people who has low skill in this game.
Seriously, people keep underestimating him in open areas, that's what gets them killed and they get pissy about it.
@@coolwolf5425 problem is, he is strong only in open areas.
but already the professional victims, the moment they recognize that Johnny is around them, they don't give chance to Johnny more than two or three hits in the open space.
they are use the crawling space or the gap very well. and they make good use of the door slams.
There is a reason why HH & COOK is mainstream at high levels or regular matches.
If play Johnny and if he is OP, you can easily get kill even at a high level, but why is HH&COOK mainstream? That's a contradiction.
he is really weak in the high lv.
@@graveindividuality46 Or you're just a very bad johnny player that relies on vacuum hits with johnny, and his swing tech. Before they undid their nerf I had ZERO issues getting kills, lvl 99 here as well. The nerf was fine, skill issue on your part imo.
all i think they need to do is just completely revert the most recent changes to him and get rid of that horrid standing lunge that makes you lose all momentum. i think it would be nice if he could get a bit more savagery too. it never made sense to me how an old man who is supposed to be the support character has a higher base savagery than the aggressive muscular character.
this really upsets me. johnny is my main and to have him nerfed like this sucks😭
Yeah now it is harder to be family as soloq and with the new OP survivor ability
You still gonna main him
Dude, what were they thinking? You have to be breathing down their neck to hit them once.
Where is this hidden army of people calling for Johnny nerfs? He's been pretty balanced ever since his swing nerf but they decided to give his tracking a nerf too? It was already a pretty mid ability but after using him for a few games it seems worthless. Not sure why the devs hate Johnny so much but hopefully they'll undo at least his tracking nerf after seeing nobody wants to play as him anymore.
"Look How They Massacre My Boy..." - Don Vito Corleone 😢
I was wondering why nobody's playing Johnny, which is a shame because he was my favorite during the beta. He really needs an overhaul, and his "mains" would likely welcome it.
To me this sounds like they might kill thier own game
There was nothing wrong with his ability yet they messed with it. Idk what they need to do, but I pray fix him before they release his shirtless cosmetic. Johnny made the game and solo queue as Family fun for me, and they nerfed him to the ground while releasing a character like Danny 💀.
Johnny was subjectively the worst character before but his lethality sort of made up for it and in combination with his tracking, now he's objectively the worst, he feels like shit and he wasn't THAT good, hitchhiker and cook and leatherface is still meta
He’s the new dbd pig 💀
Ik right
The only difference between them is that Johnny is hot
Right now Johnny's viable as a blood harvester with the right perks. That's pretty much it. 😕
Y’all completely lost don’t have a clue I can debunk everything y’all are saying learn to play him better and use skill instead y’all rely heavily on spam that’s not mastering him
@@josephbryant1666 Ok?
@@SavoxYT you don’t know wtf your talking about
@@josephbryant1666 I know I don't know what _you're_ talking about.
Of course you don’t you don’t know what builds are viable the fact that you use blood harvesting on him says enough.
19:41 this part😂
If they add shirtless Johnny on the same day they fix him that would be the cool tbh
Bro they did Johnny so dirty. Now even Sissy is like S tier compared to him 😿
Johnny for sure should be a mini leatherface. Hitch and sissy are chasers, cook and nancy are slow map controllers, johnny should be like leatherface and be able to burst down single victims who are out of position.
They’re just forcing players to buy and pick Nancy as everyone’s or atleast majority of the killer mains ran Johnny
the hunt update hasn't really bothered me at all, but i can definitely feel the swing change. i've not had too much of a problem playing him, i'm still doing damage and getting kills, and i'll continue to main him. been using serrated, easily tuckered out and scout. it is unfortunate though, he doesn't have anything going for him, especially with other family members having great chasing potential and strong abilities and his own being very.. meh.
I’m amazed you’re even able to play… so many people have been quitting or Danny+Connie rushing matches. I’m having a hard time enjoying the game the way it is, which is a shame since i feel this game has potential.
So they release 1 new killer and destroyed johnny, bubba glitches/nerfs, and when they fixed sissy they also nerfed sissys speed,endurance, attack range made her trash as well...nerfing characters victims/killers into the ground instead of fixing core probs first is just stupid....Gun prob dont even play this game just rely on hear say...
I swear the first complaint they see theyre just like "ok nerf time" and dont take into consideration that its a competitive online game and people cry when things don't go their way
@buckleuphun7689 yeah they keep saying its not supposed to competitive, how tf is it not, its a A symmetrical game, team vs team, they are absolutely clueless bout this game its sad...
Look how they massacred my boy. 😢
To me, Jonny needs a revert to the whole "Crouch stealthy agaisnt this killer's unique ability to track his footprints, as it is one quirk that makes him stand out against every detection killer. I am fine with the whole he is 2nd highest damage dealing family, vs leatherface. The increase attack lunge is bit over-rated overpowered as you can use less stamina per swing and gain more distance and consistency damage at the same time; it need to be nerf there. Also to compensate for this attack lunge nerf, I would add one more unique quirk for Jonny, to somewhat make him a good alternative to jonny (Kind of), that is to give Jonny to ability to destory certain obstacles, more specifically crawl spaces. It can be as simple as jamming his knife into the crawl space, and Breakin the supports that keep th3 crawl space up and it becomes permanent closed, and cannot be open again by another survivor. Obviously, leatherface will be better as he can also destory barricades, but if Jonny can destory one of the 2 access points to keep distance from of the family, that would be awesome mindgame skill play/utility for the rest of the family.
johnny*
The only characters who shouldn’t go through gaps are Cook and Nancy because they old, + LF. Johnny is literally the same size as Leland make it make sense.
taking away his last shirt physical and psychical.
The devs probably watch how BHVR nerfing shit and they said let's do the same thing
I always thought Johnny was just an all rounder character. I assumed with hitchhiker being able to slip in cracks that he was the high speed low dmg player. Tbh he seems fine to me. Hes just a balanced character now
omg he still can swing, nerf him because i don't want to run to the wall gap
I was thinking the same thing, its sad that instead of letting the victims get better at the game over time they feel the need to bring the killers down to their level, it's so upsettingly survivor sided atp
This!!!!!
@Griffith4555 dude its victim sided from someone who played both, and speed run so many games under 2mins, its def victim sided...i quit playing b4 this update and glad i did, i cant speak for how it is now but im guessing its still the same if not easier for victims to escape now with danny and the nerfs/bugs on killers..
@Griffith4555 if u put equal talent players on both sides it was victim favored easily...
@Griffith4555 dude we ran tournaments already and speed runs happened A LOT, trust me you must be a bot if you dont think victims arent OP...plenty of 7s too...
@Griffith4555 Not to say it wasn't family sided at first but it doesn't help anyone by compensating in a way that makes the family weak asf. They just need to find a balance. The only reason they nerfed johnny so bad is because new, bad victim players complained. I literally played victim more than family and I saw no problem with johnny from the start
johny should get a second ability to do something, you know like EVERYONE, even LF can at least break stuff as a bonus
what did they do to my baby boi :( I still love him but they need to look into him again
I feel like instead of nerfing broken characters they should buff everyone else so that everybody is broken making the game balanced. Like if Johnny is able to deal immense damage then make hitchhiker able to place 5 traps and jump out windows. Leatherface is able to saw through walls and all his attacks are instant kills. Leland’s ability is now a rage mode where he can barge an infinite number of times for 5 seconds and the timer resets each time he barges. F it, make Sonny be able to turn invisible and have constant tracking of family members and victims. Sissy has a gun now
What do you think about maybe making his ability easier to track victims (like, instead of inspecting the footsteps, you can just track them) and the ability enhances his mobility (movement speed bonus) and reduce his stamina consumption, maybe this way with all of the nerfs he could be in a decent spot?
I run big swings, serrated and a stamina recharge perk and do so much damage and its been doing well still but I think my MMR is low so thats probably not going against the best players
EDIT: Well just realised you mention it in the vid, I do think this build is the only good one rn
i like how i just picked up johnny after maining bubba/cook for ages n now he's trash lmao this shit is crazy
His ability is useless now😫 they need to have it to the way it was before
By the way. The reason why people dodge Johnny is because you rush the basement like an idiot. You belong upstairs. If you’re so desperate to go to the basements then play LF. You abandon 1 teammate upstairs and then get pissy when everyone escapes
Hey jaee there is a bug in this game where if a victim tries to go in the hiding spaces and you attack them they become invincible after the grab animation
This was the patch I realised these devs do not understand game design / balance. It was enough of a red flag when they said they didn’t care about balance, using the excuse of “it’s a casual game in which you imagine what you would do if you were in the movie” which demonstrates a startling lack of foresight and, frankly, willingness to get their hands dirty. Now they’ve released Danny in a blatantly pay-to-win state and I’m done with the game. And don’t get me started on the SIX MONTH DELAY to fix the GAMEBREAKING bug of LF’s overheat interaction during the grandpa cutscene. These developers are more interested in “wowing” us with ridiculously long patch notes after giving us no fixes for months and months, allowing the playerbase to bleed away, then trying to impress who’s left.
This game WILL die, and the devs WILL kill it. In a year from now we will be seeing videos with titles like “Texas Chainsaw Massacre: How To Kill a Game”. Mark my words. TCM is a stellar, textbook example of how NOT to make a game. Which sucks because despite it all, it still could have been fun if they just wisened up at some point in development and started taking it seriously, but I’m no longer holding my breath.
High damage for sure
johnny power needs HUGE BUFFS! first thing WTF is with the info free give when johnny is tracking a victim! victim players shouldn't be notified when jonny is tracking them it LITERALY DESTROYS this killers power! to get a surprise hit off!.
his power was always trash as well, 100% useless if your chasing someone only when trying to find someone if you heard them around!, even then its not good in a chase! they need to buff it up and help johnny out if the victims run in johnnys smell scent that lingers from the victim again their aura should be shown to all the family members. victims should not be running in the the same loop vs johnny they should buff him up so family members can see victims running from johnny if they run the same loop or back on their foot prints. this only applies if they're moving., standing still they're still immune to being seen.
just needs a massive power buff! Having a terrible power as a family member just literally makes you useless on the team and thats the devs fault!.
JOHNNY WASTE to much time tracking! need buffs if you have to waste time tracking a victim for a power, at least the cooks is for all family members on the map. they should make it so Johnny is when in chase this GAME really needs a family member that can show victims auras that just run the same damn loop to many victims camp the same spot they should be punished alot more for camping loops.
Your name is jaee again. Nice
So its like DBD, where one side gets favored over the other?
I feel like having people hide around barricades is a consequence of not using Leatherface. I don't think they should change any of the barricades.
victim only players are not smart sadly all they achieve with this johnny nerf is to see the meta comps even more cook hitch and bubba
Before the nerf I didnt see anything wrong with johnny playing victim. I just knew that if he saw me that I better run to a crawlspace/gap. Hes like bubba, you fuckin run when you see him. Now hes like Sissy or Hitch but he doesnt get as many hits in and he cant chase you thru gaps or crawlspaces. Sad, now its all meta teams
Now that Leatherface is not required to start the match they need to allow sissy and hitchhiker to vault the barricades because they have a similar body build as the victims and makes it is not balanced to have an obstacle that the family cannot overcome
Johnny is now the worse family member and his ability is garbage
Idk why but I’m chasing Danny and can barely catch up with him he out ran me playing hitch hiker
It's like the developers of the game. Wants to give the advantage to the victims. And that's not how it should be. I really enjoyed the game when it first come out. But now with all the nerfs. That they have done to the family members. I'm done with the game. I know 1 person not playing TCM anymore. Isn't going to hurt them. But
I'm done.
There is a REALLY simple solution to all the boxes around the map. RUN LEATHERFACE. Ya know, the MOST iconic character from the entire f’ing franchise.
I understand what the devs were trying to nerf, but they completely screwed it up, intentionally or not. Sometimes when you would chain attacks onto a victim you could "stick" to them and land ALL of your attacks on that victim that was running away, as in even sprinting. Any other family can't do that only he did. Yes, when I do play victim and when it happens to me it's annoying as well but if you are wary of Johnny and how dangerous he is in the open you should be fine since all you need to do is go through cracks and crawlspaces.
You’re literally talking about a bug. He shouldn’t be able to stick to you. If you don’t know how to play without a cheat, then don’t play
Yes thats what I was talking about did you even read about what I said? I said that they tried to fix is but screwed it up, so negative because you cant comprehend doesn't mean you need to attack me. @@Tuco_Salamanca3
@@coolwolf5425 Or you don't understand what he was trying to state. It's weird seeing you try to defend this swing tech as "just go through crawlspace or crack". Same thing can be said for Danny, just kill him and defend objectives, duh. Doesn't make sense now does it? Both need to be taken accountable and balanced correctly, none of this "do this or that" when it should be balanced like any other normal game.
Johnny, when you look at him, looks like a heavy hitter instead of a fast swinger. He was extremely broken doing both. Now he's over nerfed because of it. Sissy and Bubba also had complaints posted as well to get it changed. Victims have had plenty nerfs as well. I 100% guarantee Danny will get nerf. His ability to block the valve from getting turned off is also broken. What will hurt TCM the most is players who only play 1 side and keep crying nerf this and that.
I main play family. But I do believe devs take into account that’s a lot of players don’t like harvesting to feed grandpa. And trying to get players to do that in order to kill victims. If every one just playing with high damage and endurance perks it’s going to be difficult to not be able to find the victims. I played in many matches where players don’t harvest until they get a kill.
@@moneytime1556It's interesting to see how 1 match grandpa will be left alone and next you have family members with blood builds getting him max fast. This is why I feel perks are the strongest factor in who gets kills or escapes.
@@JustinakaSnoopy75 This and the fact level 3-5 aren't increased blood requirements, which absolutely should be, because honestly it's very ridiculous how fast you can get to lvl 5 with just one family member doing a semi blood buid. This is coming from someone who plays both sides equally as well.
@@HoLeeSheet117I agree that getting Grandpa to 5 can be fast. When I'm using Sissy I max him quick. However, I don't feel they will increase how much blood is needed to max him. They did nerf grandpa stab perk. That was the counter to blood builds. Only other counter is rushing to escape. Also feel another reason they won't increase blood amount required by Grandpa is the fact teams don't always feed him. Good amount never use him at all. They just pressure victims with chase or camp escape points. I enjoy the game. Do feel matches end fast on each side. Lobby issues are definitely getting the most talk and attention. So may have to wait till that's resolved first
Johnny gaining speed while swinging was already fixed in a patch, he didn’t gain speed anymore. It was proven that his sprinting speed and swinging speed is the same, so if your swinging around the map like that to gain speed your just wasting stamina. All spam swinging to a victim did was give you an early first hit, you don’t gain speed. He wasn’t supposed to be touched.
False actually. Was proven on reddit his swinging while sprinting is noticeably faster than sprinting. Hence the "swing" tech. Not just that but his swinging vacuums towards victims much easier than other family members.
@@HoLeeSheet117 no, do you want me to link you the comparison? Also, he’s not in line with other family members. He has his own special lunge. hitch and sissy swing like that because they can traverse through gaps and cracks, giving them Johnnys lunge would be insane. Thats why they swing a little slower, it’s their downside since they can traverse through gaps/cracks. And That’s why Johnny doesn’t have mobility, his lethality and lunge makes up for it, making him strong in open space (same category as LF)
if you wanted johnny to stand in line with them, they’d have to give him the same mobility. But that’s not his play style, which is not going to happen.
lvl 99 play both sides but, i would be okay with johnny having his lunge buff back but keeping his ability the way it is now. reason i say that is because victims already have to deal with a cook who can know their exact location, and nancy who can see their exact location. only chances victims have is to hide and before he would find them in hiding spots. at least now johnny can see what direction they went and have an idea where they went before they crouch walk, leaving you to find them from there, which isn't hard. you can hit your family ability and hear a victim voiceline to find them. they said they in the q&a that he was working as intended with the lunge, so if they are pushing stealth gameplay for victims his ability had to take a small hit. please stop crying
They should of just nerfed the damage he was quite fun in I'm a victim main and they need nerd bubba damage since they heavily nerfed victim not talking about Danny
I think nerfing Jonny ability was a big mistake. But other then that I think it’s fine. Also removing the barricade in family house upstairs is a big mistake
His best build is serrated,scout ,big swings 4 hit build get better with Johnny
God i really want to come back to TCM (i stopped cause i played it on Xbox with Game Pass but i really hate subscription services so i stopped) but if the devs gonna do such stupid changes like NERFING THE WORST FUCKING FAMILY MEMBER i'm not gonna give them money (also i play on Steam Deck and TCM sometimes works and sometimes don't on Linux so that changes some things to) even more cause he was my main (with Hitchhiker at second)
no one plays sissy or johnny anymore it’s crazy it’s all leather face, hitch, cook, and nancy like why would they make them so bad ppl don’t even want to play them
Glad they finally nerfed Johny Cage. He was OP for far too long
I want him back after 1st nerf before this nerf, swing tech was broken we don't want that and the 1st nerf did the job I don't understand why they nerfed him again he was fine he had as much swing distance as hitch and now I feel like I'm going backwards every time I swing like why it was FINE only the dumb idiots were still trying to swing tech after the 1st nerf and they looked like idiots and thats it.
Johnny with speed tech, but does less damage would make him a more annoying Hitchhiker in a chase tbh. I’m okay with his nerf.
cuz ur one of the bad victim mains
@@damndevil6361 And you're the one that cries the moment you get rolled. I play both sides, stop bitching about every little thing and play it out, both sides.
Bro all Johnny used to do lunch to you with his attack. It took no skill at all. I play survivor all the time fr. Johnny players play the same way all the time. Just just swing swing swing swing swing until you get killed.
go threw a gap or crawl space it's really not that hard
Cause that’s the only thing he’s good at.
@@damndevil6361 Get closer when you swing as johnny, not that hard.
The game is still family sided
I’d rather him be non existent
Johnny is the same as cook, they’re not chase families they are meant for info gathering and giving calls same for Nancy. The only difference is the Johnny’s ability sucks it’s straight ass and from what I’ve heard from other content creators it’s not much of a skill issue his ability is just plain bad. So nerfing the damage would be nice and all but that wouldn’t fix his core issue which is imo his info gathering is laughable. So a possible fix is to either let Johnny be a chase family and have is ability similar to the old tech or to buff/ rework his ability and fix the slug hit but don’t bring back the tech.
The game right now is victim favoritism. The entire family is nerfed. Victims are meant to escape now.
“Johnny is useless now”. As you get all 4 kills 🙄
Johnny fans coping 😂
I disagree. The swing technique isn’t something they intended so they have fix it. He is prob now what he was meant to be, strong and slow.
Ofc he’s gonna be nerfed. That’s how balance works. They wanted less Johnny players to force different metas. Then it’s gonna switch around again back to Johnny being either halfway decent or OP. Idk why some people in these comments are acting like it’s gonna be this way forever lol
You people are ridiculous. He can still get 4K with ease. You just don’t know how to play without using a bug to your advantage. You all did the same thing with sissy, when she was bugged
gun said that he was working properly during a q&a before the nerf so no it wasn't a bug
@@damndevil6361 They doubled down now and admitted it was a BUG. They just did a bandaid fix and allowed it back to make the johnny mains easier for them.
Stop crying Johnny was op glad he trash now no more rushing or glitch swinging . Bye bye Johnny
I’m glad they nerfed him yall Johnny mains cry baby’s😭😭😭
THANK YOU I literally have been saying this. It’s a good thing they did nerf him because at first he could hit you from SO far away. CONSTANTLY 😭
I wonder if ppl play both victim and family or just main one side and start crying when someone or a character get nerf lmao
I play both (mostly family) and I rarely play as Johnny. But when I do I just get distracted because he’s hot asf