This is an awesome training tool. I've added a three sensor system to the long range classes here at Gunsite. Now, students can look with THEIR eyes through THEIR spotting scope and estimate the wind value and then know what the ACTUAL MEASURED value is. Now you are not relying on the hold and shot making ability of your partner to verify your call. Learning to read mirage and other physical indicators is SO much easier now. Invaluable tool, and as the software evolves it will get even better.
*You got my attention when you said that 3 sensors can report to one receiver.* If the software could add or subtract the wind solution for each of the sensors locations + distance to target and time of flight for each sensor (how much affect for each sensor )...then give a wind solution, that might be a useful training tool. But, at the same time I would be thinking what I want out of this exercise. Do I want to learn to make wind calls from observing nature's indications ( as a Hunter?) or use simple wind flags & vanes ( as a competitor?) and learn to compute the cumulative solution by observing my flags & vanes at the same time? This merits a lot more discussion than presented here today. Nice video! ...charlie...😎👍137
This things looks great for a range to own or maybe a business that teaches shooting and wind calling. I would love 1 but at today's date of 4/13/23 it is 895 dllrs before tax and shipping. Bit out of reach for the average jo.. Hopefully in the future advancement it will lower the price to make it more accessible to the everyday shooter
Hello Keith, Thank you for all the informative videos. I have searched high and low for information on preferred reticles for the F class scopes like the 15-55 Nightforce. Could you include this info on pros and cons of each reticle choice. I can't find any information on this topic. Thanks again Keith.
@@gristlepounderthat’s fine but according to the US NRA rule book you can and I have use it in a National match with no problems. Rule 3.9.1 Personal wind meter. Now International F Class you can’t have any electronics on the line. Just like the font mat for TR. US rule has limits on with and length. International rule doesn’t have a limit.
Very interesting. I also shoot at Rattlesnake. I wonder how this will account for the variety of wind conditions over the 1,000 yards. Does one need multiple sensors? if so, that gets complicated and expensive. Does wind a few feet off the ground where sensor might be match the wind at the elevation of the bullet? It has got to be good feedback for learning, but I have to wonder about overall acuuracy. Not arguing against it, just trying to understand it, but it is a tool with a great deal of potential.
Hi George, Multiple sensors do get spendy. Personally, I'm just running one sensor right now. It suits my needs. If it's of any help, my calculations for the 284 with 180 grain Hybrids show that the bullet reaches an apogee of 8 feet above the line of sight. On a flat range, it wouldn't be too difficult to set the sensors that high. Rattlesnake is special. The terrrain mixed with the nasty winds make it a challenge, but I think there is still value in using sensor systems to learn what the air is actually doing.
Amazing but I looked up the pricing and I might be better off just shooting 10 years worth of ammo to improve instead! Okay okay...not quite that bad. But it is pretty pricy, especially if the goal is to run multiple to understand varying wind and different parts of the range.
Not to speak for Keith, but the map of the farm he has in the video is a mile from the Everrett, WA city limits and Snohomish County has a no center fire rifle boundary. I live very close, in King County, I own a 100-acre farm that is surrounded by farmland, and I am prohibited to shoot centerfire rifles also, so I bought a 22lr trainer. It's not the exact same, but it helps.
Might wanna tell him to get his store's website secured. Otherwise, most people won't be able to even get to it since that's a massive fail in terms of cyber security. I won't even go to a store that is sans TLS certificate. It's a fantastic system. I saw it at the V2 National Championship.
Send Doug an email. It appears he has increased the rate form V3 to V4, or I might just be imagining that. I think the sensor is polling at 1 second, but the app runs at a different rate.
Looks way too expensive for my wallet, and I'm in Wyoming where the wind is raucous and wild, and the hills and mountains bend it this way and that. But the wind is so erratic that I don't think a device like that would be very helpful anyway so I work to hone my instinct because the lag time is eliminated.
Devil dog , while I appreciate your opinion. The Wind Zero has been tested in stupid high winds and with some very impressive scores being shot as a result. What you can potentially save in component costs trying to learn the wind on your own versus what is actually happening could be the difference in a lot of money and time. It's definitely a tool you need to factor in the budget and long term goals. Keep in mind the average time to become a "good" Fclass shooter is 3-5yrs. Semper Fi.
@@normh7817 I don't shoot competition, never have been able to afford to get into that game. If I were competing, I'd probably be able to afford the Wind Zero I'm sure it's better than my SWAG. But I practice more for a hunting or combat application and if one becomes good at windage estimation using the shoulder top computer, then you're miles ahead of 99% of the population.
F-Class is no longer a measure of the shooter's marksmanship. It is now a measure of who has the most money to throw at ridiculously expensive rifles, rests and other shooting gadgets. Very sad!!
Not completely true. Smallbore F class is an option. With rimfire F class the game is the same without the reloading task. Finding a range with 100 yards is much easier than finding a range to shoot 600 or 1000 yards. I am the match director of an indoor winter league and F open and FTR is well represented.
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This is an awesome training tool. I've added a three sensor system to the long range classes here at Gunsite. Now, students can look with THEIR eyes through THEIR spotting scope and estimate the wind value and then know what the ACTUAL MEASURED value is. Now you are not relying on the hold and shot making ability of your partner to verify your call. Learning to read mirage and other physical indicators is SO much easier now. Invaluable tool, and as the software evolves it will get even better.
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*You got my attention when you said that 3 sensors can report to one receiver.*
If the software could add or subtract the wind solution for each of the sensors locations + distance to target and time of flight for each sensor (how much affect for each sensor )...then give a wind solution, that might be a useful training tool.
But, at the same time I would be thinking what I want out of this exercise. Do I want to learn to make wind calls from observing nature's indications ( as a Hunter?) or use simple wind flags & vanes ( as a competitor?) and learn to compute the cumulative solution by observing my flags & vanes at the same time?
This merits a lot more discussion than presented here today.
Nice video! ...charlie...😎👍137
Holly crap, that's amazing Keith!
Thank you !
Another great video
Very interesting technology. Can see the benefit and one item that would actually pay for itself. Thanks for sharing.
This things looks great for a range to own or maybe a business that teaches shooting and wind calling. I would love 1 but at today's date of 4/13/23 it is 895 dllrs before tax and shipping. Bit out of reach for the average jo.. Hopefully in the future advancement it will lower the price to make it more accessible to the everyday shooter
I can see how that would hugely benefit
Hello Keith, Thank you for all the informative videos. I have searched high and low for information on preferred reticles for the F class scopes like the 15-55 Nightforce. Could you include this info on pros and cons of each reticle choice. I can't find any information on this topic. Thanks again Keith.
Wind meters are legal in US NRA F Class matches. I have used the Kestrel with the wind vane attachment on the top of my spotting scope.
Not any match I've been at at.
@@gristlepounderthat’s fine but according to the US NRA rule book you can and I have use it in a National match with no problems. Rule 3.9.1 Personal wind meter. Now International F Class you can’t have any electronics on the line. Just like the font mat for TR. US rule has limits on with and length. International rule doesn’t have a limit.
Nice video im learning i have too
It’s legal to use before and after you shoot just like a kestrel. Just not while you are shooting.
Very interesting. I also shoot at Rattlesnake. I wonder how this will account for the variety of wind conditions over the 1,000 yards. Does one need multiple sensors? if so, that gets complicated and expensive. Does wind a few feet off the ground where sensor might be match the wind at the elevation of the bullet?
It has got to be good feedback for learning, but I have to wonder about overall acuuracy. Not arguing against it, just trying to understand it, but it is a tool with a great deal of potential.
Hi George,
Multiple sensors do get spendy. Personally, I'm just running one sensor right now. It suits my needs. If it's of any help, my calculations for the 284 with 180 grain Hybrids show that the bullet reaches an apogee of 8 feet above the line of sight. On a flat range, it wouldn't be too difficult to set the sensors that high. Rattlesnake is special. The terrrain mixed with the nasty winds make it a challenge, but I think there is still value in using sensor systems to learn what the air is actually doing.
@@winninginthewind Thanks Keith. System look very interesting. You are being kind when you say Rattlesnake is special. Have a Happy New Year!
Amazing but I looked up the pricing and I might be better off just shooting 10 years worth of ammo to improve instead!
Okay okay...not quite that bad. But it is pretty pricy, especially if the goal is to run multiple to understand varying wind and different parts of the range.
How can I purchase one of those units. And cost of unit.
What about air aloft? How high does it read? I’m to lazy to read all the literature 😊
It reads at the height of the sensor.
Interesting bit of kit but did you say you can't shoot on farm land is that because someone else already shoots there or is some state law thing
Not to speak for Keith, but the map of the farm he has in the video is a mile from the Everrett, WA city limits and Snohomish County has a no center fire rifle boundary. I live very close, in King County, I own a 100-acre farm that is surrounded by farmland, and I am prohibited to shoot centerfire rifles also, so I bought a 22lr trainer. It's not the exact same, but it helps.
@@lgz5953 wow and I thought you guys in the US had it easy. UK gun laws don't look so bad now
Thanks for the reply
How did competitive shooters call wind before electronic gadgets and computer programs?
Lots and lots of hard learned skill and practice.
Might wanna tell him to get his store's website secured. Otherwise, most people won't be able to even get to it since that's a massive fail in terms of cyber security. I won't even go to a store that is sans TLS certificate.
It's a fantastic system. I saw it at the V2 National Championship.
The http address redirects to https if that's what you're referring to?
sample rate?
Send Doug an email. It appears he has increased the rate form V3 to V4, or I might just be imagining that. I think the sensor is polling at 1 second, but the app runs at a different rate.
... and what is the delay from sample taken at the sensor to being displayed?
Meters update once a second and the screen updates every two seconds. Max latency is a little over two seconds, average is one second.
Not legal gut great for practice
Looks way too expensive for my wallet, and I'm in Wyoming where the wind is raucous and wild, and the hills and mountains bend it this way and that. But the wind is so erratic that I don't think a device like that would be very helpful anyway so I work to hone my instinct because the lag time is eliminated.
Devil dog , while I appreciate your opinion. The Wind Zero has been tested in stupid high winds and with some very impressive scores being shot as a result. What you can potentially save in component costs trying to learn the wind on your own versus what is actually happening could be the difference in a lot of money and time. It's definitely a tool you need to factor in the budget and long term goals. Keep in mind the average time to become a "good" Fclass shooter is 3-5yrs. Semper Fi.
@@normh7817 I don't shoot competition, never have been able to afford to get into that game. If I were competing, I'd probably be able to afford the Wind Zero I'm sure it's better than my SWAG. But I practice more for a hunting or combat application and if one becomes good at windage estimation using the shoulder top computer, then you're miles ahead of 99% of the population.
Looks pretty cool but man you really need to relocate to a free state.
Love your channel. However, $900 smackers for a wind meter?...... no thanks!
NRA rule 3.9.1 Personal Wind Indicators
F-Class is no longer a measure of the shooter's marksmanship. It is now a measure of who has the most money to throw at ridiculously expensive rifles, rests and other shooting gadgets. Very sad!!
Not completely true. Smallbore F class is an option. With rimfire F class the game is the same without the reloading task. Finding a range with 100 yards is much easier than finding a range to shoot 600 or 1000 yards. I am the match director of an indoor winter league and F open and FTR is well represented.