Mongol Battle Strategy, Battle of Mohi Heath, 1241.flv
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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This animation covers the Battle of Mohi Heath, April 11, 1241.
Red = Mongols
Blue = Hungarians
Animated and narrated by Jonathan Webb.
Mongols were in a whole other league of strategic warfare
Trill; we in this btch Especially in cruelty. Entire ethnic groups disappeared because of them, hungry at this time lost 25% of its population. That is an insane number, one that makes Nazi's look like red cross volunteers.
+Onyx Stone well yeah it was bloody medieval era not XX century.
Sindshost More people have been killed in "XX century" in warfare than any other. The point i was making was the Mongols were bad mother fuckers.
+Onyx Stone well depemds, the mongols where lenient to people who didnt resist them and brutal to those who did
MrRjizz Brutal is an understatement.
subutai was the greatest general of genghis khan he fought in 65 battle field and never been defeated
Well I agree on the first thing you said but he lost a number of battles were he retreated rather then being killed
He technically did lose some battles but they were just tactical retreats to either bait the enemy to chase him into a trap or come back stronger than ever.
O, i fiorgot the Uygurs, They joined Gengis even without a fight and were highly honored
The Jasak ( Law ) was written in Uygur
By the way, it's read "Yasak". It consists of multiple "Yasa"s.
Hungarian had the same tactic of feigned attacks and retreats to hide the flanking attack with horse archers 300 years earlier when they pillaged the west ... but then they lost the battle at Lech (Augsburg) and most of their troops and after that the light cavalry was abandoned and they adapted the German style heavy cavalry. It was tragic that they lost to the same tactic they once mastered. The mongol invasion was stopped by Hungary that was practically destroyed in 1241 ... same way Hungary held up the Ottomans for 150 years until they were finally crushed at Vienna in 1683 and then gradually pushed out of Europe. Hungary was the shield that protected Europe and civilization and when the time came after WW1 for Europe to remember this they threw Hungary in the gutter.
When you think about it, Eastern Europe was constantly under attacks from Asia (Huns, Avars, Magyars, Mongols, Turks, etc...) due to its wide open space. Being constantly chased means being poor.
Subetei is Worlds best generel. He's never lose
I would still take the epic general Khalid bin waleed over him
talk about saved by the bell!
The Mongol tactics were amazing... that's how they conquered the world. Most of the people think that they simply flooded every battle with huge numbers. Not the case, in most of them they were in inferiority. That "escape path" was used with great effect in many battles. Anyway, there is an ongoing discussion of why the Mongols left Hungary.. because they never actually reached as far back as Mongolia.
As for the beginning, it's far from certain they could have conquered all of Europe, at least not immediately. The Western Europe was far more fortified.... it would have taken a lot of time to conquer each fort and city. Not to mention that they really did lose a battle in Central Europe.
Forts only require time to siege and starve out the defenders. The terror tactic of annihilating an entire city would've caused many cities/forts to surrender. The Mongols had to be removed from the field, in another words, crushed in battle. Given their track record and the fact that the Mongols destroyed far more powerful, populous, wealthy and technologically advanced civilizations gives little reason to think that all of Europe would not be conquered.
Mogol at that time was supper power, only defeated 3 times in Vietnam and 2 times in Japan
Mongols highly experienced in siege warfare too.
russians call mongol tartars. just a name, no need to be rude
First battle in Europe where cannons were used ( by mongols)
rootex now that was exactlt what i said
I said the russiahns call the mongols tartars
In fact the Tartras where the bitter enemies of the Mongols, responsible for the death of Genghis Khan father and his grandfather...
Timujin ( Genghis ) was even named after a tartar chief who was captured by Yesugai, his dad
And no, i'm not turkish but dutch
rootex never mind, adios
i doubt that, they where the mongols archrivals for generations and Temujins father and grandfather where betrayed by Tartars
He wiped them out together the "Ong-Khan"and a chinese detachement from the Chin
Men where killed, kids held against the wagonwheel and women as part of the booty
Tatar is another name for Mongols. Europeans knew about Mongols long before Genghiskhaan. Europeans named Mongols as Tatars. Chinese brought the naming through Silk Road to the West. Recently, the fact is proved by a note of Chinese diplomat from Southern Sun dynasty. The diplomat Huan Zhou visited Great Mongolian Empire in 1230s during Great Khaan Ugeedei. And he surprised at one thing and wrote like this "These days, Tatars no longer call themselves as Tatars, instead they are calling themselves as Mongols." Mainstream Chinese did not bother to differentiate Mongolian tribal associations by naming them Tatars, Mongols, Kereits, Naimans, Mergeds, etc.. Instead, they tagged them as Tatars, which was closest Mongol tribal association to Beijing.
Ironically, this misnomer mistake is made by Mongols also. They name their southern neighbor Chinese as Kitad (plural) or Kitan. But this is a Mongolian nation which conquered North China few hundred years before Genghiskhaan. Even Russians use this misnomer to refer Chinese these days.
wow that was sad for the Hungarians, nice vid
+chakands actually both the hungarians and the mongols have the common ancestors. technically,it's the Huns killing the Huns
+Duc Tran no its more like Nomads killing nomad.
Hungarians are Huns, WTH? :)
Vlad Bayard descendants you mean.
Misheel Tubshinbaatar Not even that... Hungarians are Finno-Ugric, their people formed between the Volga and the Urals... there's no connection with the Mongols. None. Except where they ended up: Pannonia. The Huns were destroyed, the Hungarians, actually the Magyar, endured.
WELL DEMONSTRATED. THANK YOU GARE
the mongols out-strategised the enemy in most of their battles, with a lot fewer casualities than the opposing army. Chinggis khan the great leader was a genious in the art of war, he had close relationships with the leaders within the ranking of mongol army and he taught them well, and they are all generaly good fighters. Mongol men become worriors at the age of 16, getting multiple horses and continuing the training to join the military. They were all geniouses of war.
GG ez for Mongolia :)
Subetei had 20,000 troops.
Thanks
Good video, needs more likes
that count is fucked up! Subetei had 20,000
Yes, they had 20, maybe 30, while Hungarians had as few as 4000 -10000 men, numbers are inflated in this video.
yours is wrong too.
+Gerelmaa Sergelen wtf!?!
Eric Methew you are thinking of tsubodais raids into Georgia and Russia. The battle of kalka river when his two tumans took on 80 thousand Russians. No this battle happened 20 years later and was more even in numbers. Maybe 4 tumans and 50 thousand Hungarian Europeans
Needs some background music.
Needs a less depressed lace voice over.
pacing could be better.
All in all I liked it.
Sounds like a melody :))
Actually the Turk here is right for once most warriors in the Mongol army were Turkish. Only at the beginning of Mongol conquests the army mostly consists of Mongols that changed when Mongols began to integrate Turkish tribes in their army.
Who tell u mongol was turk, now my mongol friend beside me telling u not to bullshit, mongol invade khwarazm which is a country belong to turk, so u mean mongol buy paint to blash themself new colour to become turk
Mongols UNITED OF NOMAD (Naiman Kerait.Hongirad.Jalayirs All NOW KAZAKS.
What software do you use to animate these videos?
powerpoint
Actually this tactics and strategies are being taught in West Point and US Naval War College.
Jun Laxa It was first applied by Hannibal of Carthage against Rome.
selim996 I agree with you. I’m just saying that it is so effective that the basic was adopted by the US and teach it to American Military School.
I'm watching this cus of battle of the bastards... Didn't realize how Interesting this stuff was.
Battle of the bastards was a yoke. "Lets fire arrows into my own troops so they build a wall of dead people which I can use in my advantage."
Don't mention that battle. Jon Snow is so stupid as a battle commander, playing right into Ramsay's hands.. Sansa is idiotic for not mentioning that lots of cavalry reinforcements were on their way - knowing this beforehand could have saved thousands of lives. And why didn't they arm the giant with a tree or a club! That would have made him so much more effective against pikemen.
StillRooney the mongols vs noobs.
Since when do hungarians not use horse archers XD
Huns in Hungary come from the same steppes as the mongols but during this era, they abandoned the old ways because of Christian views. They became knight and such.
But the huns are no relatives of mongols. Huns are descendants of a Turkic nomadic tribe. There native land around the Ural. Then they invaded present-day hungary and settled there by Attila the Hun
Original Huns were Mongols. But the Attila Huns are a new nation formed from emigrant Mongolian Huns and a Central Asian Nation Kangui. Kangui was East Iranion nation.
only Hungary's name its related to huns because they ocupied that teritory for a time. the hungarian ppl are totaly different from the fino-ugric tribes
Huns and hungarians have little in common but the name somehow sounds related
all these info came from their enemies. the mongols never recorded anything except one, the secret history of the mongols.
correct. 2/3 where Turks ( Naiman Keriit Merkit Kipchak Cuman and the ones from Kwarizm who joined after SJah Mohammed was crushed
what the hungarians should have done is cut off all choke points. Mongol horse archers are devistating in open fields as they can simply run if a charge starts, and move in when a route is present. What horse archers suck at however is taking vital objective points.
Think about it, if the horse archers prime directive is to run away when attacked then they do not advance very fast, if at all. closing the choke points would mean the hungarians could hold off almost indefinately as long as their shields were thick and their archers were true.
If it were me, the second I got word that we were flanked I would have immediately pushed my whole force over the bridge and position my men along the river to make sure they wouldn't be able to ford it again without being shit on by artillery/arrows.
Hungarian are good warriors. They should have never defended the poles.
max radke It would not work because no army in the 11th century was capable of out maneuvering mongolian troops. Each mongolian troop had 4 to 5 horses with them, which means no ground troop, only cavalry archers that are very deadly and fast.
What are the sources for this information?
I know it’s really really late but the Mongolian general name is actually subutai not subedei
hey pepole dont just FUCKING HATE MONGOLIA BECAUSE THEY JUST VERY STRONG AND SMART AND THEY LIVE IN VERY COLD PLACE TO LIVE SO THEY ARE STRONG OK.
very poor anchor sound
The mistake that the Hungarians should've made was to charge the split mongol force after Subedei changes his plans. The Hungarians probably wouldn't have known this though.
+ܣܗܕܐ ܝܘܢܢ Then the mongols would have retreated and the splt forces would encircle the Hungarians on the east side of the bridge. Thats whats so cool about this strategy.
miketothe2ndpwr
Not if they back the River and entrench from the bridge.
the big mistake was the Cumanians. they fleed to us and would helped us against the mongols but we cast them out just becouse they werent Cristhian.
+Gamers Combat (Sapis) No because Nobles and peoples became crazy
Alex KinPong Lo nope army that was there was Imperial army that was on road of Conquest Europe.
do you have a source for the golden bridge tactic? I'd like to know
M Li read subedai the valiant
downes people are good tacticians
As the Hungarians I would have committed part of the army to hold the bridge while I focused all of my attention on one of the armies crossing the river with speed and determination, after having completely eliminated them, I would have then focused my attention on the remaining mongol forces and wiped them out. Hungarians fucked up, but I assume they weren't so proficient in warfare as the Mongols.
The Hungarians didn't know the Mongols were fording the river in other locations. They didn't have this graphic that showed them how the enemy was maneuvering at every step. It's easy to be a general when you have perfect information.
Okay fine, I will take back my earlier criticism, but still... even though they had no way of knowing where the mongols were going to appear from, couldn't they have made fortifications?
The Romans used to make fortifications all the time, for example Caesar with his battle against vercingetorix, he made himself well fortified, and he did not make one fortification, but two, from the front and back. I am sure the Hungarian nobles or army commanders must have studied some history about warfare, otherwise wtf?
First, this is a battle, at most you can make makeshift fortications, like trenches, spikes and palisades. In Caesar's case againt Vercingetorix he was laying a siege, so he had a lot more time to build.
Another big difference is Roman armies were professional soldiers, he had pretty well trained soldiers in all manners of warfare not just the fighting, so they were well versed in foraging and building campaign structures. In this battle, most of the hungarian army, as most medieval armies were levied troops who can't match the structure of campaigning of a professional roman army.
And last, leaving freedom of movement against the mongols was exactly their plan, they had siege weapons and were mostly a mobile and ranged force, so campaign structures would be mostly detrimental to the hungarians, because they would just be sitting ducks (as in fact they were in their encirclement).
Alright, I guess i spoke to soon, pretty much the Hungarians were fucked from the get-go.
Was there a possibility the Hungarians could have won?
I thought his name was Subutai.
It's bollocks. Commanders were Mongol as I pointed out.
Mongolians 20.000 vs 80.000 Hungarians ... Subedei is best general
Everything considered, Subetei is lucky he did not face a more experienced commander with better trained troops.. Alexander would not have made the same mistakes.
Kenneth N. Shortlidge lol no, where do you think the nazis got the blitzkrieg from.
@arslanbeklord Most of the commanders of the mongol armies was Turk...
wow
Not Mohi, Muhi
cavalry. not calvalry. not like a museum and it's boring. remedial reading slide show.
nice info, kinda boring voice, graphics provided by atari3600 :D
and four wins: 1285 Nogai Khan's armies go through Transylvania. IV. Laszlo shall smite the Cumans and the Eastern Carpathians chases the Mongols. Torockónál after the Székely Hungarian royal army and the victory again then next Vizsoly George Baksa and Borsa Lorand Transylvanian voivode can win. 4, that is, four win against them in a year ... so it means something. The Hungarians defeated in the 1285 war, the Mongol army and expelled from Hungary abolished and the shame of defeat! Sorry for the bad translation!
You shall pay your Blasphemy !
be careful what you are saying kid.
Look's like blietzkrieg
and four wins: 1285 Nogai Khan's armies go through Transylvania PEST. IV. Laszlo shall smite the Cumans and the Eastern Carpathians chases the Mongols. Torockónál after the Székely Hungarian royal army and the victory again then next Vizsoly George Baksa and Borsa Lorand Transylvanian voivode can win. 4, that is, four win against them in a year ... so it means something. The Hungarians Hungarian War of 1285 Mongol army and defeated the Mongols were expelled from Hungary abolished and the shame of defeat!
Shoulda just crossed the bridge to the mongol camp and held the bridge.
The Mongol camp location was unknown as the vid mentioned. Actually, they don't need a camp.
With four horses per person, Mongol transported materials by horse and drank the horses' milk for food. And horse only needs grass.
Mongolians are unable to invade Western Europe because of lack of grassland and the dead of leader in Beijing. So they returned and fought internally for the crown of Emperor.
Sweet thanks man. I actually just listened to a Dan Carlin Podcast about this, after watching the Video. Pretty neat stuff. I like the way the mongols would demand surrender.
+christian beaupre They couldn't do that. The Mongol Army was made of professional troops, the Hungarians had mostly peasants. They were able to hold the bridgehead with their crossbows, which surprised the Mongols, but once they were outflanked the battle was over.
Would've been flanked and still crushed. But at least could've killed a few more Mongols.
@arslanbeklord hahaahahahaaaha
PROVE ME ??? :D
Walrus
At 1:52= when Hungarians were F'd
Dude, buy a mic
Sounds like you got the wrong job, you're not enjoying what you're doing.
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Subedei is Turkic Commander: )
Can Uysal stupid
Gg Bambar Lol Subedei is Tatar and I m Tatar Turks
1.You are not Turkic you are shit of Oghuz,2.Subeedei is Mongolic general
Munkhbayar Sainjargal I m not Oghuz I m crimean Tatar Subedei is Tuva Turks
He is not Turk,He was Uriankhai clan of Mongol not Turk ! all is turk for you ?
This is total bullshit the medieval hungarian army couldn't produce more then 50 000 at the high og it's peak in the 1400... King Bela only had 20 000 or less soldiers with him in Muhi. THe mongol army was 100 000 strong when they started invading Poland and Hungary.
Everything considered, Subetei is lucky he did not face a more experienced commander with better trained troops.. Alexander would not have made the same mistakes.
The Hungarian General did his best, but was let down by his untrained troops, trying to flee which Alexander would never have permitted. In fact, Alexander would have: 1. Sent out scouts to check both for the enemy and more importantly to guard the river, 2. He would never have concentrated all his troops in a tight, enclosed area, and 3. If trapped in a defensive position would have again concentrated on breaking through the encirclement, probably with all his cavalry. Bottom line, generalship is not about numbers or weapons but about instinctively realizing what the enemy is up to, where his vulnerabilities are and taking advantage of them. Plus you must always control your troops.
but still there is many holes in that strategy its not easy to suspect that enemy split their troop in two group even by sending scouts cuz there was big distance from each group and like i said before it was an ambush and secondly what defensive position could have been better okay the famous wedge position of Alexander in front phalanx and then heavy cavalry but remember the Mongol army specialized with armor-piercing arrows and also catapults as mention in video they can easily adjust in any position so they will crush the very first section which is the most important part of the enemies army Alexander is very smart man so might scatter his strong troops from arrows and boulders but it will lead to disaster obviously, but if he tries to break the siege by all his force then other Mongol army will backfire him from behind, Mongol army use terror by making dummies on horse so they army would look much bigger so Alexander might get problem since he will try to find weak or strong spot and Mongols can easily retreat their group of soldiers which Alexander choose to break and they can make illusion of defeat and by this method they can easily make their enemy in their favorable position to ambush, Its the main and tricky strategic of Mongol army.
He invaded old Russia in winter, the Khwarezmia Islamic empire, the Xi Xia and the Jins of China which were the most advanced military forces of their days. Hungary and Europe were minor league in comparison.
Kenneth N. Shortlidge lol alexander had mostly just infantry his army would be divided and crushed by the out speeding, out flanking, out manuvering army and made up of mixed cavalry, even worse this battle was during night time.
+MultiDEVILMAYCRY123
Read up on the Battle of Jaxartes, Alexander was no fool, he understood the fighting styles of the nomadic cavalry.