THE NEW KAI'SA REWORK IS 100% BROKEN! HER W GOES THROUGH UNITS NOW?!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- THE NEW KAI'SA REWORK IS 100% BROKEN! HER W GOES THROUGH UNITS NOW?!
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So Riot gave Kai'sa a 7 sec Ezreal ult. Nice. This will be great in ARAM.
arams moves fast. miss your W and a teamfights over in 10 seconds. before, at least you could spam it every 3s
now we need 5v5 all Kai'sa :D
right? looking forward to play it in aram
In wild rift, lux got reworked a while ago. Her q goes through minions. So she's basically got zyra q.
She will be nerfed af
you know that annoying artillery build where the only counter play was to use minions as a shield.. yeah we got rid of that :)
Dude she cant proc passive with just W anymore and it's much higher cd. When do you ever use minions as shield vs her lategame?? Before evolve it still gets blocked. This makes it way better to play against without killing it because she has good AoE rather than obnoxious poke.
They killed the build.
Tell me you don't anything about AP Kaisa without telling me.
@@nitti172 the build isn't dead but the artillery playstyle certainly is
@@nitti172 The replaced her one on one dominance and insanely safe poke for team fight range. She always could delete waves with Q, so thats not what the change is for. Its to stop people from being able to poke teams down before they can even approach the team/objective. I like that she'll be dominant in late game team fights over objectives tho.
"got rid of the artillery build?"
"No, hiding behind minions from it :)"
ok why is riot sniffing glue with these reworks
You just answered your own question m8
Reworking 2019 champs is scary
I can only imagine how strong a 2030 champ rework is
2018 exactly
cant believe kaisa was 5 years ago tf
13:52: Call an Ambulance, call an ambulance!
13:58: but not for me!
was thinking the same thing 😂
I was about to comment that hahaha
This seems way more oppressive than what it is now.
It very much looks like it. Current W may give a refund, but there's a lot of stuff that can get in the way- so you need to pick and choose when and where to shoot. With this... There's basically no downside to putting it on CD: it essentially turns Ka'sa into a longer ranged Xerath.
What refund does people talk about? Can you explain please @@bragnir
@@De.Stormnessevolved Kaisa W gets an instant 80% cooldown reduction if you hit an enemy player with it
@@bluefox943677%, but close enough.
That's very scary...
I remember a year or so back you did a lethality sniper kaisa build where you just got the cool down naturally low without using the reset mechanic. I'd love to see you try that build again. Full lethality with a shojin in there somewhere
@@emulationemperor8924 W does magic dmg
@@okvis Ah, I think my confusion comes from it having a high AD ratio. I think Zwag built some lethality items because they had the highest amount of raw AD.
@@emulationemperor8924 I know which one you mean. He was going for high dmg Q in that one
“Did Zwag Xerath get the first 6 CS?”
Yes, he got all 6!
Win Streak: 1
In fact he got all 12 first minions
Everyone here is forgetting that the old W would proc passive if you hit it twice (passive does more than W) and it had 80% cd refund. The DPS of the poke went down by an extreme amount just for it to be AoE. And before evolve minions still block it.
Kaisa has Ezreal Ult on her W... nice... this is the kind of rework we all needed. Also Rito, you should try sniffing Gorilla super glue, it doesn't have that weird rocky aftertaste Loctite does.
This is actualy way more balanced than it was before, ap is not as good now
35:32 i love how he scrolls the screen over and they literally ust turn around and walk back to fountain LMAO
I know this will be stupid because normal people don't build tank items on Kai'sa, .. but one of my favorite items in the game is Hollow Radiance because of the way it does AOE damage when it kills anything. So imagine launching her W down a minion wave and watching them all explode. Of course, you can do that just by building AP, but they would do AOE damage with HR.
Love just hearing all the pokemon music in the background It brings my joy watching you destroy people with jams in the background
0:10 excuse me what the fkc?.
Yh, what the fkc?
bruh i said the same thing then saw yo comment Lmaoo💀
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Seems like her ability to kill players might have taken a slight nerf, but her wave clear, which was already high, is now absurd.
Would Flickerblade work with getting the W come off cooldown faster or fast enough for plasma boom?
Well yes, not reset but should get reduced a lot
@@IIIlIlYea! Hell yea! thats what i meant but thank for clarifying, ill edit the message
You would have to be autoattacking though and with this build you won't have AS
@@burd12 but with Kaisa E and flickerblade together gives a decent amount of attack speed
@@burd12 the idea is still cool and flickerblade gives AS, no? Idk brainstorming is fun 😂
Lethality Kaisa, W has 130% AD scaling, items give haste, and you can get Shadowflame for the W upgrade and crit bellow 35%, Axiom Arc, etc.
Unfortunately not as good, obviously her q and autos would hurt a lot more but w was hitting for 1200 at the end of this one, full ad would at max be around 800
Hmm the navori would now be really useful even in an AP build, to get W back quicker with each AA
You def don’t need any AD items with this rework. The W clears anything in its path
But isn't the AD ratio on the W just straight up better? Even if most items give more AP than AD, I feel like it's more gold efficient to build AD if you wanna play around W damage?
I guess you could build haste AD items with some AP items that give mpen and mana (to convert to AD)
@@IIIlIl the W does magic damage so building AD is actually worse because most AD items will fail to apply their passives which is most important part of ability. Also building AD does nothing for Kai Sa passive becuase it is only AP ratio. Missing out on more damage that way
zwag act like getting plating just to get himself killed so they dont ff early . man i love this guy what a chad
Bruiser/splitpush Kai'sa with seraphs - hullbreaker - botrk or steraks - wits end - liandries or another tank item - cdr boots or magic pen is something I thought about.
Ulala this update is interesting. First strike and start with AP might be interesting to farm and get ahead
I've seen 30 seconds. He's obviously scripting
Suddenly kaisa has better waveclear than sivir
That waveclear is nuts.
What zwag forgot to mention is that if you can pierce through the frontline, you can get your passive on squishies for an easy assassination. They are pushing for kai'sa to be a fully hybrid carry, since auto atack kai'sa is the one that can actually assassinate so well.
what if they make it so the next person you hit with 1 W gets an extra stack of her passive
Good thing Zwag is not working with riot games, he would break the game fr
I watch your videos to sleep your voice is so soothing 😂
It's slightly balance it doesn't have reset anymore so you can't keep spamming it
But you also had to shot a champion and if you didn't you got punished by cd. And now you can't escape it. As commenters above said. It's Ez's and Lux's ult with less cd. So it technically got worse
*laughs in navori flickerblades*
Love your videos Zway, Been watching for quite a while, would love to see a zed game
Is this gunna be a live patch or is this how kaisa used to work?
hi, when it will be released on normal one ?
This is chovys wet dream farm 3 lanes at once
Kaisa ap will be fun on urf
love the background music
A hydra would proc on every target right? Need them to stand really close to get value though, not sure if worth.
I just played Kai'Sa, evolved my W and found out that its not gotten the update you are using yet, how are you doing this?
the last W did 1000 dmg, his last passive proc also did 1000 dmg. that means if he hits two people with a single W, the W dmg is better than before. its situational, but saying the build is dead bcs you cant proc passive dmg cause you lost cd reset is not thinking deeper
Can you do the AP on hit senna before it gets nerfed? Loved the PBE full support senna but I’m interested in guinsoos+full ap after that
13:53 call an ambulance! call an ambulance...! but not for me!!!
Zwag: W doesnt get blocked now and goes through units...next W: gets blocked by minion.
When upgraded*
I have a question 🤔 I would like to know if we can have the music playlist that you are listening to in the background of your videos 😊
I forget what Kaisa's ult does but doesn't she dash to an enemy with her passive stack? IIRC, people use her upgraded Q to mark an enemy before dashing into the enemy before unloading, correct?
Would you be able to target who you're dashing to or do you just dash to the one with the most stacks?
YOur passive applies to enemies you or your team has hit. Champions hit have a circle around them and you can click anywhere in the circle to ult there.
@@elih6087 ah, gotcha.
The zone that appears around people who are marked is where you can TP to, you choose your location in the circle.
People still gonna do the kraken kaisa build with a nashors second or third for w updrage so that they can apply their passive to multiple people in a teamfight making her a teamfighting boss being able to proc her passive much faster on everybody.
dope snipes by the zwag lord
Suggestion:
I recently played akali but insted of full dmg, i build her liandrys>riftmaker>warmogs rabadons.
TRUST ME THIS IS BROKEN.
you still oneshot ppl already with 2 items but you cant die.
5k hp akali with 800ap and 37 kills on 8 deaths.
Absolutely crazy was this
They forgot to add the thing for piercing attacks where each subsequent hit deals reduced damage
Don't know what to think of this. My guess is Riot will treat it like a normal waveclear ability and gut the numbers. I don't really want that to happen. AP Kai'sa was always about hitting like a truck but waveclear plus that much damage is just broken.
Why does zwag never use his flash... why even take it if you hold it all game??
You need to hit half the team with every w for this to not be a nerf. The nerf is absolutely massive and is most probably dead now.
How about lethality, Zwag? Comes with a lot of haste and AD. Considering the AD scaling of W, think it can be better?
Kaisa W deals magic dmg so there's no point in building lethality
did riot nerfed elise ?
cause the hitbox of her stun was bigger before the update
I think with the w change you can go ap first. It will still give wave clear
How do you zoom out more in league, I have scrolled out while playing but my game always seems more zoomed in than zwag's or other streamers
the zoom is the same, they just have their UI smaller so the screen looks bigger
is this change realy coming live? i try today on training map and it didnt work
If you have a full team of CC champ you can utilize passive with snipe more
Huh. If her W can clear waves can you just go an AP item first with a ring? Easy combo of auto-W-auto-Q for your passive into an execute. Dare I say... Lich bane? Yeah, the extra burst of AS would have secured so many passive procs this game
It may be better to do that but the damage is reduced for each target hit, obviously with a limit
Oh man, some of that build would be great for Lissandra. I hope you do a Lissandra video soon.
Dudes can you imagine the baron snipes? No one can block Kai’sa w from getting to baron anymore!!!🤯
shivana hybrid build gonna be crazy on kaisa too
I truly dislike this change, for so many reasons.
1. This absolutely guts AP Kai'Sa. Kai'Sa used to have 3 builds - AD on-hit, triple upgrade, and AP artillery. The AP build is completely decimated with this change. Not nerfed, just completely dead. They could simply have changed the AP scaling on her passive so she doesn't just delete every squishy in 2 hits and every tank in 4. Her current W makes it such that AP Kai'Sa is a gimmick build that presses only one button for damage and the rest is supplementary. At best, you're a long-range engage AP assassin that can burst one moderately squishy champ real fast and have nothing left if you're not overly fed.
2. This completely overbuffs the triple upgrade build. Not only does that build now have way more waveclear than necessary (Q + Statikk's + W), it can also apply 3 stacks of plasma to multiple champs in one go, and you can't even block it, only dodge. It does ridiculous amounts of damage to non-tank champs for an ability on a ~8-10s cooldown that has 3000 range and passes through everything it hits without applying reduced damage beyond the first target hit. This would be fine if it were the main source of damage. On a triple upgrade build, this is the tertiary source of damage.
3. Maybe debatable, but I think this absolutely destroys the (however small) concept of positioning and skill expression with the ability. Before, you'd have to position obliquely to get Ws on the target you want, even if the only thing blocking are minions. Conversely, enemies can position in such a way that they can block Ws using minions or ally champions (and their abilities like windwalls and spell shields). Now it doesn't matter. You can stand in the middle of the lane and just press W and you'll hit something. At worst, you'll clear the wave. And it makes W just spammable off-CD because there's no penalty for missing or benefit for hitting multiple in a row in a short time. You just press W off-CD and wait for it to hit something.
4. Most importantly, there was no reason to make a change like this. The main reason Riot always has problems with balancing Kai'Sa is her passive and itemisation/runes. It has never been her mobility, her range, or damage on the rest of her kit. Ok to be fair, her mobility has sometimes been a problem, but it's always a problem in the context of "she does too much damage to be moving this much", which comes back to her passive and items/runes. When the AD on-hit build does too much damage, it's an item problem. When the triple upgrade/AP build does too much damage, it's a passive problem. You can very easily balance Kai'Sa by adjusting the numbers on these two aspects, since if AD on-hit Kai'Sa is doing too much damage, you can bet 100% other AD on-hit builds are running rampant in the meta (this was absolutely the case with the whole lethal tempo problem). Meanwhile if triple upgrade/AP Kai'Sa is doing too much damage, it's 100% the fact that the passive missing health damage is too high.
They're going to end up reverting this change or heavily reduce the damage values.
I play jungle kaisa full ap attack speed maxing e->w->q and never evolving q. Clear was already good but this will make it insane
The wave clear is nuts with the change
is it a buff though? you barely proc passive with that change, i see it as a broken move in aram anyways
You can’t spam passive but it still hits like a Nidalee q that can’t be blocked by minions.
Hey, I know it's not related to this video, but what's your keyboard setup. It sounds so good ^^
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@@Zwag Thank you 🙏
honestly i think the conversation between the riot mf's went like :
R1 : Hey y'all i have a great idea!
R2 : Oh what is it?
R1 : Let's not prevent marksman to be played in every single fucking lane but the lane they're supposed to AND make an already broken as fuck champion batshit insane!
R2 : Oh that's a good idea! While doing that let's just nerf pyke mid more cuz you know he's a support champ he shouldn't be played in mid!
R1 : yeah right.. Every champ should be played in a spesific lane that suits their purpose.
what if you upgrade the W and went AD after?
Challenge: play max zoom in only. most likely Yi or some melee champ? something braindead, but cinematic zoom in only
When will they rework some of the OG champions like Riven, Garen Kha'zix etc.
Kai'sa skin sales must have decreased by 1%. Now it's fixed
Why not dark harvest or first strike though?
I think it's a great rework making you play her as they had originally intended. I don't think of her as an ADC, but as a mage assassin with ranged autos. I really like how they subvert the archetypes they created like that.
I don't know. I just hate this change. I wish it doesn't go live. The refunding of W's cooldown was the original "upgrade" you get once she has 100+ AP. This is just riot fixing what doesn't need to be fixed in the first place. They already nerfed her AP scaling in W [the current one] to 40%. What more do they want to take? I don't know what's running in the heads of devs these days. Downward spiral, probably.
Nah that zoom out XD changed a lot
i love how they want to nerf poke kaisa like its OP or something but they still allow yasuo and yone to exist
Okay but why would you need Q upgrade? It's always nice but your W can waveclear now
No chance this goes live
it might seem crazy what i m about to say
I PLAYED TODAY WITH THIS BUILD.. its dont work.. how is work this plasma??
It should be balanced if it deals full damage to first minion (not champ) and then like 20% Cuz that wave clear is way too nasty. That's the only problem I see, considering other champs' abilties
Damn they nerfed my full AP Kaisa ARAM with 2 second cooldown shots that take 40% enemy hp away
Now ap kaisa can be played without q upgrade or any ad, just focus on ap and cdr
can you try mid bard?
i think nashors is way better than full ap since you rely way more on your passive with this
They could balance it by making it's hitbox smaller.
Your team had 4 burns w/ kaisa blackfire lmao no one getting out with 1hp
Finally, a "rework" that actually changed an ability's mechanics.
I feel like nashoors and boots make this still shred the fk out of people + is barely enough for E upgrade
Nobody ever said that kaisa is weak and needs a rework. But hey its Rito
I love riot they can take a fun build and turn it so broken that its not fun anymore
Is nashors not a core item for Kai sa anymore
Think u can 1shot someone with malignance and collector?
I wonder if it can proc static shiv
17:25 what a song on bg?
What's the song around 16-17 mins?
Great vid Zwag!
making reworks in champions skills is not a good thing leads to unbalance games becoming call of duty
really dont like this change, prefer the W getting its cool down reduced.