What Games Can Learn From Pro-Wrestling
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2020
- Ah yes. Stockings hung above the chimney, snow on the ground, rampant Steam sales draining my wallet. It’s that time of the year folks. It’s time to talk about gaming in the context of pro-wrestling. Get cozy for this one, we’re talking about storytelling through combat systems and through choice of offense. I think this one might be something special.
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▶Games Shown
Control (2019) - Remedy Entertainment
Shadow of the Colossus (2005) - Team Ico
Undertale (2015) - Toby Fox
Ghost of Tsushima (2020) - Sucker Punch Productions
Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity (2020) - Omega Force
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (2017) - MonolithSoft
Octopath Traveler (2018) - Square Enix
Final Fantasy VII (1997) - SquareSoft
Final Fantasy VII Remake (2020) - Square Enix
Fire Emblem: Three Houses (2019) - Intelligent Systems
September 12th: A Toy World (2010) - Newsgaming, Gonzalo Frasca
L I M (2012) - Merritt Kopas
Threes (2014) - Sirvo LLC
Gris (2018) - Nomada Studio
Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door (2004) - Intelligent Systems, Nintendo
Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (2014) - Game Freak
Grand Theft Auto IV (2008) - Rockstar
Final Fantasy XIII (2009) - Square Enix
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017) - Nintendo
▶Clips/Movies Shown
The Prestige (2006)
The Mandalorian (2019)
Several WWE, AEW, NJPW, PWG, iMPACT, and ROH clips. Tweet at me a screenshot of the vid if you want to know what match/promo it is. And please RUclips copyright gods, have mercy on me.
Other clips and considerations:
• Wrestling PoP III
▶Music Sources:
Tenno - Luna ( / luna-3-am-study-session )
Retro Vintage Funky Beat "1 9 8 0 s" - ( • [FREE] Retro Vintage F... )
chromonicci. - Breathe ( / breathe-1 )
Dinariyo - FFVII Who Are You [Tainted Memory Remix] ( • Final Fantasy VII - Wh... )
Otrebor - Loneliness ( / loneliness )
Gucci Louis - Rap Beat 2 ( / rap-beat-2 )
tenno - sacred tree ( / sacred-tree )
Jeff II - Wait for me ( • Video )
Vexaic - Last Goodbye ( / last-goodbye )
Lofi Lia - Final Fantasy VII - Tifa's Theme Remix ( • Final Fantasy VII - Ti... )
▶Research Articles Cited
**The Psychological Reality of Procedural Rhetoric
barrettrees.com/papers/Anders...
**Mirror Neurons: How We Reflect on Behavior
www.psychologicalscience.org/...
‘I Feel Your Pain’: The Neuroscience of Empathy
www.psychologicalscience.org/...
Neural correlates of emotion-attention interactions: From perception, learning, and memory to social cognition, individual differences, and training interventions
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
Emotion and Perception: The Role of Affective Information
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti....
We Don’t Play As We Think, But We Think As We Play: Evidence for the Psychological Impact of In-Game Actions (The mechanic do matter, they shape how we think and id argue how we feel)
dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/34...
Ludonarrative Dissonance: Is Storytelling About Reaching Harmony?
www.researchgate.net/publicat...
Dissociable substrates for body motion and physical experience in the human action observation network
cpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.d...
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Howdy! In case you were thinking there are some.... *unusual editing choices* regarding some of the wrestling clips in this video, that's because there are! WWE decided that even though I've been throwing money at them my entire life, that they needed to gift me with some copyright claims for a few 10 second clips in this video and block the whole thing worldwide....
Thank you WWE.
So to make this thing visible, a few clips needed to be tweaked. I'm sure you understand. Fingers crossed it stays live.
Anyways, thanks as always for being here, hit ya boy up on twitter, and do me a big favor: have yourself a beautiful holiday season. I'll see you again in late January :)
The greatest video game combat sequence telling a story I have seen was the last fight in Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 where you go through the history of Naruto and Sasuke's history as they change fighting in different periods in their life: when they were kids, teens, and adults, in every one of their battles throughout the years.
One of the most inventive storytelling devices I have seen in a video game.
The greatest story telling via fights that I've seen was probably the final boss fight of Hollow Knight, which I won't spoil unless you haven't beaten it yet
... the irony is that i'm getting slightly interesed in something i failed to understand why people liked it in my childhood
Copyrights do not matter as your love for WWE world is all rampart trough the entire video. Just like Super Eyepatch Wolf does, you should too talk more about stuff you like and enjoy. Every video that you talk about what you love is better by just being that and you have enough skills and experience to sell it to us who otherwise wouldn't care. Even if the video is different style or is way too long, if you love it, you will make it good because you are passionate about it.
Dude your content is amazing enjoy your time off you deserve it
The bit about the legendary Pokemon is true. I was PISSED when I killed Entei in a single hit.
To be fair though, Rayquaza's Level 70 is pretty well felt. Also, well, Ultra-Necrozma happened. XD They really fixed the issue with _that_ one.
@@twaggytheatricks4960 I don't... What?
I stopped paying attention at Crystal.
@@hannibalcase1100 No worries! That's the case for a lot of people; I'm just informin' ya.
Basically, I'm bringing attention to the fact that they eventually learned from _that_ stupid narrative dissonance mistake and made some legendary fights _seriously_ legendary. That's it! That's all I'm saying.
@@twaggytheatricks4960 Ah, I see now. I had to Google Rayquaza. Damn, maybe I should get back into it.
@@hannibalcase1100 Yeeeeah, _luckily_ they're pretty easy to google, it always helps, seriously XD
But yes, if you're still into RPGs, maybe you should! They're by no means the best games ever, but there _are_ some pretty strong moments with the later games, and from what I've played, they're still pretty fun. And to be fair, some of these 'mons _do_ look pretty sick, as Rayquaza's showing.
I normally don't care much for wrestling, but when someone I like talks about something he likes a lot, with this amount of passion, I can't help but be interested in it as well :)
Same here man
Ditto, never watched it but some of my favourite video essays on YT are those by Super Eyepatch Wolf on the topic. This was great too!
The final boss of undertales neutral ending immediately comes to mind for fights that sink up with the story
Sync* . But yeah I thought of that one too
100% agree, thought about referencing that, but since last year’s wrestling vid was so saturated with undertale I thought I’d try to keep it to a minimum in this one haha 😅
And almost all of deltarune uses combat in the story, eg having to Warn enemies of suzie
Undertake was inspired by the kingpin of games that use combat to narrate the story, Earthbound, so naturally, the entire game is an example of this principle.
It is interesting to see this in other games, however. I often think the combat in Undertale very on-the-nose. The fourth wall breaks, the way the story centers around your choices so voraciously...it’s not bad, but it’s great to see examples that aren’t so self-centered.
If we are looking at great examples of games that are self-centered and use combat to narrate the story, the modern day Legend of Zelda games do a great job at that, particularly Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Those games are worth checking out if you want to _feel_ the intensity of combat, and the growth of Link, a mute character that expresses little personality
[for reference, he is the hero of “courage” and the GameCube Zelda’s often depict them as helpless, forced to sneak around, and pitted against difficult enemies with wooden weapons at the beginning.]
The final battle in Shovel Knight is a great example of what you're looking for. From the very beginning we're told that Shovel Knight and Shield Knight were partners, two halves of a whole. Throughout the adventure, you see Shovel Knight's sadness with being alone and his determination to rescue his partner.
Finally, the final boss happens, you've rescued Shield knight and face the Enchantress together. Some attack patterns are impossible to dodge, but you can hide behind Shield Knight as she blocks the attack. You can't reach the Enchantress on your own, but you can bounce off Shield Knight's shield to get enough height and land a hit. Both offensively and defensively, you can't do it on your own, but you can working together with your partner. The team is back together at long last, and it feels SO DAMN GOOD.
There's also some really neat musical motifs emphasizing this point. Shield Knight has a melody that shows up whenever Shovel Knight is thinking about her, mostly in the campfire scenes where he dreams of rescuing her. It's slow, melancholic, and almost like mourning. The final boss music, when you've reunited, uses her theme as the main melody, but it's faster, more bright-sounding, and ornamented: she's back!
Yo 8-Bit Music Theory
Yes! Tom O’Regan did a video on game mechanics and storytelling and he mentions shield knight and the final fight. Such good stuff 👌🏼👌🏼
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"I'm sorry... I love you..."
Greatest Moment in Wrestling History
The ending of Bastion comes to mind. If you make a certain choice, you find yourself carrying the body of someone you have every reason to hate through a hail of fire that slowly stops as your enemies realize what you're doing.
Then one guy shoots you and is cut down by his friend. Good that game was awesome.
And the fact that you abandon a powerful weapon to do so. You give up your power to destroy your enemies, for the power to save a life.
*tries not to cry*
Well now I have to go finish bastion 👀👀👀
I hate being the guy that whines about spoilers, but I mean really...you just ruined the game for anyone that still hasn't played it. That's not just the highlight of the whole game, but one of the most profound gaming moments I've ever witnessed, and you sort of cheated anyone that hasn't played it yet out of the experience.
@@ninja_tony the game has plenty more good moments. If one REALLY has bastion marked and don't want spoilers then you'll stop reading as soon as the name comes up in this context.
I believe the average person has enough self control to do that if they really want to. Each and every one of us can't be responsible for what anyone else chooses to read. I didn't spoiler tag my particular reply since I give people enough credit that I believe they can figure out the replies might contain spoilers and control themselves.
Besides, how much spoilers affect your enjoyment of a narrative is largely personal anyway.
Original comment is a little more understandable as a spoiler to be frustrated with. But once I read "ending of Bastion" I would have stopped reading if intended to play it.
Besides, as I said, the game has plenty more moments that fall within the purview of video anyway. The game isn't ruined by having a pivotal moment partially spoiled.
TLDR: I, and original commenter, can't be held responsible for what every reader chooses to read. Some responsibility has to be taken by exercising some self control on part of the reader. Story has plenty more going for it, not ruined by any stretch.
The entirety of the fight against the hollow knight in (you guessed it) Hollow Knight is a very well done example of visual storytelling in combat. Also, happy holidays Daryl and to anyone who's reading this!
The way its moveset changes throughout the fight. Good stuff.
When he started stabbing himself I was both very confused and absolutely heartbroken
I cried during this Boss fight
I first fought him on a plane ride (switch version) I wonder what the passenger next to me thought as I was breaking down
Fantastic example. It only gets better when you compare it to the pure vessel fight and how far the hollow knight has fallen
My "magnum opus" would definitely be the final confrontation between Madeline and the part of her in Celeste. The simple fact that you've gone from being chased to doing the chasing shows how much Madeline has learned and grown throughout the narrative. The level design is set up to encourage you to avoid attacks without losing momentum (one good example would be a point where you're using the feather to fly forward and quickly dodge right past a laser) so you understand Madeline's determination and the part of her's fear and anger.
And then you follow it up with teaming up, which mechanically means gaining an awesome new ability and using your "evil counterpart" to reach new heights. What a game.
Holy crap, with all the damn Celeste references I make in my videos somehow I didn’t think of that 😂 now that is a really solid example, such a meaningful emotionally driven sequence ❤️
Not to mention pretty much all of chapter 9 - so much of the story there is told nonverbally, through level design, music etc
Just thinking about this reference gave me chills because I remember how good it was when it happened. What a great game.
@@TheOobo Yup. Big numbers can sell a big powerup in a JRPG, but there's nothing like giving someone an extra dash after six chapters of Celeste.
This reminds me of SugarPunch Design Works' video titled,
*"Why Do Fighting Game Stories Suck?"*
though he still shows Fighting Games that successfully incorporated an effective way of storytelling using in-game mechanics
Heck... A.B.I himself made a video about Rock Howard and praised the storytelling in his animations.
I feel like I might have been more clear if I knew anything about wrestling. Hindsight, I suppose.
Thanks for watching my video though, it means a lot to me!
"I'm sorry i love you"
The wrestling community: 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Hell I'm not even in the community and hearing about it had me a little emotional
@@djroscurro9859 just the moment of flair asking for it and Shawn mouthing "i'm sorry I love you" and hitting him sweet chin music
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
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Furi. Each boss tells it's story through it's movement/battle. From the "The Straps" chaoticness to "The Edge" methodicalness, it's the best game I've seen from a storytelling through combat way.
I'll be honest, the final battle in Katana ZERO would fit this pretty nicely too tbh. I wouldn't say it's on par with FTR and the Bucks, but given the context of the story it hit me pretty hard
Everything hits hard in KZ
That ending twist blew my mind
I find it cool how you take wrestling something you enjoy and compare it to video games.
Now I hope that more games implement the element of having combat be a part of the story and have emotions in it, like with movies and wrestling.
Congrats on 3 years of your channel and your 100k play button! Super exited to see what you do in the future!
Only way from here is 1mill
Thanks so much Aaron! So glad to heave you here for the ride 😁
Funnily enough some fans of Dark Souls claim the final boss, Gwynn, is supposed to be kind of a pushover compared to some of the other bosses. He's a burnt out shell of his former self, with scarcely anything left after offering himself to feed the kiln. It makes sense that he wouldn't be much of a challenge.
He is the only boss in the game which can be parried, and on almost all attacks too. He isn't any smaller than Ornstein or Artorias, his sword is huge, but his strikes can be knocked aside, with a fist if you so please. His strikes are clearly telegraphed, which makes parrying easier, and even if you don't parry, it's somewhat easier to dodge them.
His health pool is also rather manageable: compare his 4,185 HP to Seath's 5,525, despite identical physical resistances and Seath having wide-area Curse attacks. The Four Kings' shared health bar has 9,504.
All in all, I found all of the Lord Souls Bosses harder than him.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Yakuza series, as one of the main themes of the game is to convey your emotions through your fist. The final fight of Yakuza 2 is a perfect example.
The final mission in Halo Reach had my 13 year old self almost in tears. They didn't change the battle mechanics so much, but the slow loss of each spartan until its finally the player's turn was brutal in the best way possible
Shawn Michaels didn't throw Jannetty threw that window, that coward Marty Jannetty tried to dive through the window to escape!
Long essay about Wrestling and Storytelling? Who are you, Eyepatch wolf? lol
I legit thought this was eye patch wolf for a sec
Fucking love his vids man. Let the record show, before he drops his undertale vid in the next few weeks, I predicted he would compare wrestling with Undertale in my Sans vid last year 😂
This made me think about my favorite quest in Oblivion, Specifically the Shivering Isles. Addiction, with the Felldew. You have to take some to start the quest and it drastically boosts your stats, you are cutting through enemies easier then before, then after 45 seconds the effects start to where off, then withdrawal sets in, your stats start going down every 45 seconds. You slow down, your hits do way less dammage. That is until you get another hit of Felldew. It brings your stats right back up. As you go through the dungeon Felldew becomes scarcer and scarcer, you are needing to hoar it and only use it when you need it, because you will. It is a great metaphor for addiction, that is the name of the quest after all. This completely blew me away the first time I encountered it.
The Legend of Heroes Trails in the Sky and Trails from Zero/Trails to Azure are amazing with this. I'm not going to spoil which characters and where, but the way they hype up some characters as ridiculously strong and powerful and the way they deliver it with a hard boss-fight you can canonically lose is amazing!
*Every Boss in Nier Automata.*
Just over a year ago, I saw the video you made on Loss Aversion in Dead Cells, and I'm so glad that I've gotten to see this channel grow this year. Can't wait to see where you go next year. Love ya, Daryl. Love the vid. Everyone stay safe this holiday, and see you in 2021!
See you in 2021 switch_cave! Glad you found the channel and love ya back 👌🏼
Halfway into this video I'm reminded of that perfect example of ludanarrative that was Dynasty Warriors 3's Lubu. When your ally say "DO NOT PURSUE LUBU", you listen because unless you've practiced relentlessly just on that one level, you will be knocked down and you will be knocked out in two combos. Clean and simple. He's just too strong.
You are the first person able to explain to me how poignant and in depth wrestling really is. A feat no one has ever even remotely achieved. Yet again, absolutely blown away by your content. Thank you. 💕
Thanks so much for saying that 🙏🏼
@@DarylTalksGames you are more than welcome, frankly I'm just speaking from the heart.
I don't even watch wrestling, but yours and Super Eyepatch Wolf's videos on wrestling, and how it relates to gaming or other mediums, have made me interested in the subject as a whole.
Thank you for this!
10/10 username, thank you so much for the kind worlds my friend 🙏🏼
@@DarylTalksGames Thank you very much! :D
@@TheAsexualJellyBean Hey, if you ever do decide to try getting into it, I would probably suggest starting with the 90's and working your way forward. I won't outright say it was better then (but it was, we all know it was lol), but it truly was the peak of wrestling for a lot of us that grew up with it, and the best starting point for anyone new to it. Especially the Attitude era of the WWF, including Stone Cold, The Undertaker and Mankind, D-Generation X, pretty much the entire mid to late 90's was a magical time for wrestling fans. And then at the same time in the WCW, you had the beginning of the NWO, Sting, Diamond Dallas Page, the return of Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. Things were so crazy then between the two organizations that it was dubbed the "Monday Night Wars" because both programs were on at the same time (and since it was pre-DVR days, we all had to either tape one or flip back and forth during commercials and pray we didn't miss anything lol.)
There are still some fantastic wrestlers in the WWE now as well, but it just feels like an entirely different world I guess. There's less drama, and a lot of changes were made to make wrestling more "child friendly", which is funny because every kid I knew in the 90's was a huge wrestling fan, and we MOSTLY turned out ok lmao. But at the same time, wrestlers today are some of the most technically skilled we've ever seen as well, and perform some incredible moves with crazy precision.
There's also All Elite Wrestling, which is a new promotion but was started by someone who has strong family ties in the wrestling world, and has been recruiting some major names from the old WCW days. And there's New Japan Pro Wrestling, which has been around since the 70's, and has been sort of a training ground for a lot of up and coming wrestlers that eventually went on to become superstars in the WCW and WWE. Interestingly enough, the door swings both ways I guess, because a lot of superstars go back to NJPW after making it big as well, so you have a ton of great talent at the top AND bottom of the promotion, which is awesome.
Wow, I can't believe I typed all that, I don't even watch wrestling as much these days as I would like, but it's something I'll always be passionate about. Growing up with it in the 90's, it was such a big part of my childhood, and just thinking about it brings back so many awesome memories! Anyway, whether you decide to just dabble a bit in it, or throw yourself head first into it and become a wrestling superfan, I hope you enjoy it! I think the one thing that's better than wrestling itself is the community around it. Most fanbases are so toxic and just...icky these days, but most wrestling fans are super cool, and will be excited to chat all day about their favorite wrestlers and the stories behind them lol. Have fun!
Snake in mgs2 is actually a really competent ai teammate.
Awesome video as always. I'm so glad you commented on the importance and emotion of Shawn Michaels hesitating to perform his finisher on Ric Flair. Ric was one of Shawn's idols and heroes, and it was a heartbreaking moment in wrestling history, for both of those men and for the fans. Because we all knew it was the end of a legend, and that Ric Flair was retiring that night. Shawn Michaels had such a deep love and respect for his opponent, and that moment of hesitation and reflection on the man's career was incredibly touching. There are a lot of memorable moments in wrestling history, like the first hell in a cell match between the Undertaker and Mankind, the night Sting returned in his now famous "Crow" attire and makeup, and many more. But this moment was one of the saddest and most emotional.
I love the comparison between pro wrestling and ingame combat story telling. They're similar in alot of ways and it's such a great way to tell the story.
Also I'll definitely choose throwing you into a barber shop window, can't have a boring Christmas party with your "reminiscing" and "no-violence allowed".
That was the right choice I think, only violence in this house 💪🏼
The one use of a "in game" mechanic i really liked was octopath traveler chapter 3 of oberion, what i thought it was only gonna be a cutscene then got hit by the "challenge" promp it feels amazing
That Chapter alone is probably why Olberic is my Favorite of the Eight
Yakuza is really great at developing its characters through fights.
I meant it as a joke but ok, the yearly wrestling épisode is officially a thing XD
Mmh yes, telling stuff thought fight mechanics. I should do more stuff like that in my game. Currently, the Chapter's final boss is healing you when your life is too low because the boss is actually your friend in the first place but that's all.
THX FOR ADDING STUFF TO MY NEVERENDING TODO LIST XD
The several fights against Kuze from Yakuza 0 come to mind.
Also fighting Nishiki in Yakuza Kiwami. It was such a heartbreaking fight.
The Fans: SAY THE LINE DARYl!
Daryl: Ludonarrative Dissonance
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Also for your personality video hope ya cover the Enneagram
The funny thing is, to me this term sounds somehow professional and smart to me, just because its latin, which is so stupid of me
Not exactly combat systems, but I'm a big fan of games like Dark Souls or Celeste that have messages of perseverance and personal accomplishment against depression and hopelessness(going 'hollow' in Dark Souls terms).
And it's equally story and music driven, but I LOVE(ha) the parallels between Asgore's fight and Toriel's fight in Undertale, how Asgore's theme is mostly significant preexisting songs rearranged into a medley, how he uses attacks Toriel did, and how if you use the butterscotch pie from the start of the game in the fight his stats get lowered(and how him being the final boss of the full game makes it a book ends for the people who played the Undertale demo back when it came out that ended with Toriel's fight in the Ruins)
I knew someone else was going to say Dark Souls. The whole game is built around the concept of story and combat resonating each other, both in character and on a metaphorical level.
i feel like lisa the painful shows this at some point, wich actually makes sense considering what happens at the end
This video had eerily perfect timing, are you spying on me?!?
Crazy coincidence how just yesterday I was replaying undertale, and thought about how nice it was that Asriel’s attacks get weaker and how well that communicates his hesitation to attack you without the need for any dialogue or a cutscene. I had to stop and give this video a like immediately when you mentioned Toriel doing the same thing!
I pondered a bit about why we don’t really see It often and realized it introduces a bit of a barrier of entry, though. As maybe someone with less “video game literacy” wouldn’t quite understand what it’s supposed to mean. I might wrong, but I don’t think this kind of combat story telling is intuitive for everyone, just like I wouldn’t have had any idea those wrestling moves were throwbacks if you hadn’t told me. So as much as I love it, I understand developers might be careful with using mechanics as a storytelling medium for the sake of broader accessibility. It’s very hard to strike a good balance when it comes to that.
Love your channel, thank you for reading my mind and making a video on a topic literally the day after I thought about it!
I love how this intro details exactly why I liked Shawn Michaels so much as a kid
I’ll probably never be a wrestling fan, but your videos really make me appreciate it ina way I don’t think I ever would have.
Is this a christmas gift? Happy holidays, Daryl!
Happy Holidays Augusto! It’s whatever you want it to be 🙌🏼
The end credits of Nier Automata got me misty eyed. And it's done in a genre I typically hate, Bullet Hell. Still one of the most impactful gaming experiences I've ever had.
Solid Snake vs. the Cyborg Ninja is excellent. It's the story of two old friends meeting under new circumstances, one the same as ever, the other transformed into something new.
The final fight in MGS4, I know it’s not everyone’s favourite. But it exemplifies exactly what you’re looking for by the end of the video, it brings back up, every mechanic, music, sounds, health bars of the games previous to it.
Masterclass.
Tekken 7 holds a masterclass for this topic in it's story from start to end. Not every interaction is a home run and the narrator has become kind of a meme for how bad he is, but the actual fights with story elements are exactly like what you speak about in this video.
Playing as 7 year old Kazyua fighting his grown father where every attack barely does chip damage and no hit stun makes you feel the struggle of how unfair a fight Kazuya is in.
Fast forward later to the fight with older Kazuya and Heihachi in the dojo, when the Jack robots start flying in and flashbacks to Tekken 5 start overlapping by cchanging the colouring of the frame, the Hud, the names of the characters, is all good fan service but also narratively conveys how history keeps repeating itself for the mishima family.
And then there's my favourite example of this towards the end of the game where Heihachi holds his final stand against Kazuya.
The game gives you super armour but the game intends you to barely win so it gives Heihachi very little health at the outset of the match. In Tekken 7 they introduced a mechanic where if two attacks are about to trade and one player has low health, the game will slow down and zoom in on the attacks to add suspence because the attack that connects could be a decisive moment in the match. When applied to the story fight with Kazuya and Heihachi the slow-mo effect is triggered by almost every single trade and because of Heihachi's super armour state, even if he does get hit, he can still tank really strong hits that would normally kill without the armour. This moment really makes you believe in Heihachi's stubborness to stay alive and fight Kazuya who at this point is narratively several times stronger than Heihachi at this point.
It is the best last stand moment I've seen in gaming and I love it :)
The one hit kill system of hotline Miami is frustrating at first but then makes you feel like a god by the end of the game.
Granblue Fantasy (yes, the gacha game) has a lot of cool moments during the story and during events where they use the combat system to tell a narrative or to build up to a super special moment.
I really love when you mentioned how “if you understand the combat system you can follow along”. I’ve recently started watching DDT wrestling and, despite no English commentary, I can enjoy it because I can read the ring. Enjoy the rest of the year.
Congrats on 100k! I'm pretty sure this has been my favorite video. Huge fan of wrestling and loved the references and call backs. Started watching by the way of your Dead Cells Loss Aversion video and I've been hooked. Thank you for awesome content!
I gotta tell you, man this video was moving to me. As someone who often tries to draw parallels between forms of media in storytelling methods. Wrestling has long been a love in my life and much like you I see the in-ring storytelling as something powerful and riveting.
One powerful and unique story from recent years I look to very often is Seth Rollins vs The Fiend al Hell in a Cell. I know this isn't the most beloved match in the world, but it's one I might look to make into a video sometime myself. As for me, that story is that of dissension into madness for Rollins, the dissent that while he could put away the beast, a king, and every other challenger, the guy simply couldn't put away the evil within.
Articulated through his actions which led to the controversial ending, but annunciated a deeper narrative. It was called off as a no-contest meaning neither man had won. However, it's with the utmost certainty that I can say Seth lost in this match. He went on to lose the title and of course adopted the Messiah gimmick following this. Giving in to a darker side, and showing the full transgression into his now twisted persona.
Again, thank you for making this video! It was an absolutely lovely watch and I look forward to more from you! :D
My 'magnus opus' would be the final monster added to Monster Hunter World, the Fatalis. I don't know how to explain it properly, but the fight was so hard, and required so much form even veterans of the monster hunter series, that it *felt* like a final boss, without having to rely on cutscene dialogue.
Hey Daryl, I think this is your best video so far, really excellent. I'm looking forward to what you come up with in 2021!
I think this is one of my favorite videos. Thanks, Daryl. The editing was great, the subject of interest was peculiar yet awesome, and the way you went about it was awesome. Thank you for making fantastic content like this.
Oh, and because I forgot: a battle that I thought was great at storytelling through its battle mechanics. The final fight in The Last of Us Part 2. Even you as the player don't want it to happen, you want it to end but you know it won't until finally the futility of this personal war is realized or until death claims one or both of these people. They're both weak, exhausted, tired, and they're both desperate and it's shown by their actions.
Not to mention that both characters have separate combat styles that reflect their strengths and weaknesses. That's my two cents. Thanks again, man. Stay safe this holiday season.
YO excellent stuff as usual. I’ve been thinking of examples of games doing this, and I think I have a good one.
The ending of MGS3 (as in the last moment of gameplay before long ending cutscene) does some really interesting storytelling with the mechanics. Without spoiling too much, you’re challenged to a round of russian roulette, 2 guns, 1 bullet. Depending on whether or not you choose the right gun and depending on what you decide to do with it in the final moment, the game has 4 different endings that each have a different meaning, which is really really cool.
Looking forward to your personality videos next year man, happy holidays 👏
just found your channel from the pokémon cinematography & psychology of shinies vid! kept seeing all the wrestling clips and started SCROLLING down your page looking for a proper wrestling vid - was not disappointed
Nier autamota does this very well, there is a boss who gains levels as you fight it where as the levels have always been stationary for enemies beforehand, also enemies in large droves begin not attacking you. But it's at a point when you could be very in the flow, and makes you feel bad as you slowly realize they aren't putting up a fight and have the ability to talk to the enemies, with names like "hopeful amusement park assistant" it was such a powerful moment in combat story telling, highly recommend playing nier
I've just discovered your channel earlier in the day and the videos that you make are so damn binge-worthy; the fact that you've framed this particular video around pro wrestling makes the wrestling fan in me really happy. I kinda hope that you do more wrestling related videos.
Every holiday season, that’s the tradition. This December were probably gonna talk about glitches and botches haha
@@DarylTalksGames That's a really neat idea, honestly, combine the two and glitches and botches just describes WWE 2K20 in two words.
Wolf Sif in Dark Souls,
I feel like there was a enemy in a zelda game, that became more desperate, attacking more and faster, but also missing a lot more?
Fuck yeah stories told trough mechanics are my jam. The best example I can think of is actually similar to the ones you pointed out, one of the last bosses in Fury. The way it usses ludonarrative dissonance to tell the story blew me mind completly. Their last game Haven also do great stuff in that regard.
Glad to see you grow has you have Daryl, defently earned. I am sure you will get even cooler videos next year, can't wait!
God bless Daryl, congrats on the milestone! Your channel and work is so incredible! Happy holidays!
Thank you lots, mate, for 3 years of quality videos! Have a good time with your folks, and here's to 2020 part 2!
I stumbled upon you and SuperEyePatchWolf.
You two introduced me the lore in wrestling and I love these videos.
Also I crave more of your games video
To answer that question after The Young Bucks and FTR section - Katana Zero. Hands down. No one specific section of it, but as a whole presented a magnificent blend of storytelling in gameplay.
I ABSOLUTELY ADORE watching videos about those WWE narratives
FUCK!
As I'm a storytelling lover, I can't help myself but to smile with that kind of video.
MMA 2v1 irl is very fun. I do it as an exercise.
Great video man! And intersection of my hobbies. Having just finished my masters this really is my thing.
I always say Dragon's Dogma has a very cool narrative that comes full circle. One of the 2 scenes that always stick to me were; when the main city gets attacked by a Cockatrice, you actually have clues spread around before that quest that points to it being a trap, including the chance to run into some guards outside the city carrying the "body" of the monster to the king as a trophy.
And the second one is when to characters are fighting, one is a spy and the other one has been betrayed, the second one tells you not to interrupt the duel, and you can just sit back and watch their dialogue fueled fight, the spy fights with no remorse and the other character hesitates thanks to the shock of the betrayal. And of course you can interrupt them to help the second person, who berates you for soiling their honor (and can result on the death of the spy).
An amazing game that often gets overlooked.
Hey Daryl, you said this was different to your usual content but I absolutely loved it, I could feel the passion and it was a tonne of fun, your videos are always passionate but this one even more so. Thank you for the great videos!
I'd like to put forward the final "fight" of Jedi: Fallen Order. When Darth Vader rocks in, you realize how weak you are in the grand scheme of Star Wars. You attempt to lock sabers with him and he immediately overpowers you and picks you up by the throat. You pull the pipes and ceiling down on him in desperation, but he just stops them without even needing to look. After you wiggle out of his grasp, he chases you through the facility, pulling walkways and hallways out from under and around you. If he catches he up to you during this sequence, he instantly kills you with no chance of struggling again. When you finally make it to the end, the only that stops Vader is the fact that you broke the tube you're in that's surrounded by ocean, letting in a torrent of water. Holding back the water takes all of Vader's concentration, so he *let's you go*. You didn't win, you survived.
Final Boss Battle of MGS4. Each phase of the fight reflecting not just each of the games stories but the characters personality and philosophy of fighting at that time as well. It's possibly one of the best moments in videogames tbh. Despite the whole game not being of the same quality this boss battle reflected everything that made the series great and brought out all the emotions through its gameplay (as well what they say during it). Phase 1 our main hero Solid Snake readys his basic cqc stance when he was younger. Ocelot taunting and putting on more of a show than a fight. Your normal combo is no longer the grounded Old Snake style but his springy and athletic seeing him pulling off his old signature spin kicks and cqc holds. Ocelot doesn't really fight you here but invites you to hit him as he keeps taunting. When he puts you into a choke hold and you fail the grab break he doesn't finish you but instead kisses your head and laughs at you. Phase 2 kicks in and he's now more ruthless. No longer letting you get free from failed counters but instead eating big damage and no longer giving you free hits. I can go on and on but if you haven't seen that Boss battle please watch it is the best way to end the series
Thanks Daryl! Congrats on 3 years! I can't wait for next year! Have a great holiday season!
Thanks RadicalPie! Enjoy the holidays!
the “final” boss fight in tekken 7’s story is a master class in this in terms of the fighting game genre at least, they utilize all the mechanics introduced in the game to enhance the storytelling of this final father son duel
It can be difficult to pull off in a video game since combat functions so much differently than a scripted event. I think one of the most effective mechanics for conveying things is the partner pickup when they are downed. It continually reinforces that someone has your back and is always there for you. In borderlands 1 your screen would fade in and out as you were down and I distinctly remember Roland running across the arena to pick me up as the light faded.
I couldnt give a damn about wrestling. But whenever youtubers talk about it with such a passion it makes me wanna start watching.
I don’t know if this counts exactly, but The World Ends With You (DS version, not any of the ports) really follows through with themes of friendship and having to work together by making you have to fight enemies with two separate characters on two separate screens simultaneously.
First off, big fan dude. I just discovered you and have been BINGEING all of your videos. I love your work and the way you think.
I’m not gonna lie. I almost missed this one due to not watching wrestling. (Not anymore. I grew up watching Matt and Jeff Hardy, I had their dvds and forced all my friends to watch when they came over). But I’m so glad I did. This was wonderful to watch and a perfect end for the night.
Second, about the question in the video..
I know the perfect game analogy for this kind of moment and I’m sure plenty more in the wrestling world. And it’s the fighting game scene. More specifically for me, the Super Smash Brothers Melee scene. I know firsthand bc quite literally it went from a hobby to my career in what seemed like an instant. I don’t know much about the current wrestling scene but seeing how passionate you are with this video I had to show my appreciation and respect for your passion. Keep it up homie🤙
Happy holidays everyone!
Also great video Daryl, you never disappoint.
Can't wait to see what you have in store for us next year. Always love when my two favorite worlds (games and wrestling) can come together like this. The Soul of Cinder battle at the end of Dark Souls 3 is the only example for myself of a game telling an amazing story to the caliber of the Bucks vs FTR (still not quite as good as that match, but close). As you battle the 4 different styles Soul has, and you think you've won, you hear that familiar tune and get to close out the series the samw way the story and my love of From Software began.
Just the fact that the boss uses common player builds in previous games as a basis for its moveset. Finally burning through all of them to reach the moveset that started it all, both in world and out.
Woof, dense lorebomb there once you unpack it.
For all the places where Octopath drops the ball in regular story and scenario, it IS mechanically fantastic.
A couple examples that come to mind are in Disgaea 2 when Laharl shows up and he's straight up lvl 1000 (you finish the main game around lvl 100) and also Nier Automata does a lot of this with how 2B and 9S not only fight very differently but also how 9S's hacking opens up a whole new aspect to the game and just shows you so much more of what the story is building on top of that IS invisible to 2B when you're playing as her
I think of the last section of Lisa the painful (spoilers obviously.) It alters your move sets to reflect the emotions of the characters, and loss of control. Replacing martial art moves with crying and screaming, inflicting fear upon those who are trying to stop you. As your character is Turned into something feared throughout the whole game.
This entire section of the game is fantastic indeed. That game has no qualms about punching you in the gut in the best ways
Congrats again on 3 years!
Love this channel!
Thank you for your awesome work ! I'm a happy new patreon from France. ^^
shawn michaels, one of the best wrestlers to ever lace up a pair of boots. wrestling is truly special, and there isn't any thing like it in the world. its like a show that never ends, you follow characters throughout there entire lives instead of one show. there a feeling of competitiveness, larger than life characters, and moments you'll never forget. while i do agree that combat is an important part of the sport, i think that there is something that is even more powerful, the entrance. the entrance, if used correctly ca make or break a wrestler as we know it, hell bobby roode even got over because of his entrance song. that faithful summerslam when the fiend came out for the first time, there was nothing like it, the song, the outfit, the crowds retain, and even the little things like the animated name card is what made the fiend, and was essential to his success. think about it , do you really remember triple Hs move set, or his iconic entrance and songs. i think that your first impression of a wrestler, with there entrance is by far the most important aspect of a wrestler that most don't even realize, and, if someone comes along and uses the entrance properly, then i think they could be one of the best wrestlers the world has ever seen, since the first impressions that you give to someone both before a match for the people at home and the crowd, can really set a great tone for the rest of the match. and daryl, for the wrestling video next year, i think that the entrance would be a great topic point, as video games do this so well as well, with floweys boss fight entrance, as well as the idea of the boss fight entrance in general compared to wrestlers entrances, could be a great topic point for next years video. and if you need any help, i could always help you out :)
-buff (god i really hope you see this it took so long to write lol)
Trails in the Sky FC, the battle against Lorence, and in general the Trails series. Is a battle with someone who you've already seen is strong far beyond most other characters, and his battle does encapsulate that and forces you to use every bit of knowledge you've gathered to not even beat him, but show him you are worth his expectations. It's an optional battle for a reason, but oh boy does it feels nice to beat him. Also, Trails series is consistent in the fact that if a fight is supposed be hard lorewise, you're going to HAVE a hard time beating that fight.
Zelda games aren't usually narrative driven, but I found the Music Box House in Majora's Mask to be pretty telling. Pamela's often seen walking around the house, and will retreat if she spots Link. When you finally manage to enter, you're greeted by her Gibdo-infected father that appeared to be sealed away in a casket, presumably for her protection. Suspenseful music starts, leading the player to assume that they're supposed to save Pamela from her father. She forces Link outside of the house for trying to harm him, and the game can only progress once the player performs the Song of Healing for her ill father.
Lisa: The Painful is a really great example of this!!
I am not so sure how much this counts, but I feel every aspect of Hotline Miami 1 contributes to its story, gameplay included. The music and combat give the sense of a madman lashing out and killing everyone in sight in a brutal frenzy, while the moments after when the music dies down, all that is left is a quiet background track and you walking back to your car. The madman calming down after his spree.
all my absolute favorite channel talk about pro wrestling somehow
Ah, I see you're also a fan of SuperEyepatchWolf
You are the SuperEyepatchWolf of gaming
I love it when the story in a game is reflected in the gameplay. One of the oldest examples I can think of is Final Fantasy IV on multiple points. First is when you first meet Rydia right after torching her village and killing her mother, no matter how much you level her up, she will never learn to cast Fire, because she's afraid of fire ever since it destroyed her village. It's only when she's the only spellcaster in the party and they need someone to melt some ice blocking the path up a mountain, that she finally learns Fire, after realizing that fire isn't necessarily bad in itself. A later case is after Mt. Ordeal, when Cecil becomes a Paladin and Tellah learns to cast Meteor. No matter how much Tellah's level increases, he never gains more MP, meaning he's stuck at 90 MP for the entire game, and Meteor costs 99 MP, as it's meant to be a spell that's so powerful that no mere mortal ought to be able to cast it. And then there's the thing with the twins, Palom and Porom, when returning to Baron and after defeating Cagnazzo there. The two twins decide to cast Petrify on themselves to stop the moving walls from crushing the party like in the trash-compactor scene in A New Hope. Following this, you can try using items like Softs or Remedies on them, but nothing will cure their petrification, until much later in the game, when they turn back on their own.
It's just one of those games where I really feel like the devs went out of their way to really make the story reflect in the gameplay.
Daryl: This is finally happening: the best of WWE versus the best of the Indies.
Me: So together, they’re like...ULTRA powerful!
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Gonna go with The Unending Coil of Bahamut (Ultimate) fight from Final Fantasy 14. The fight itself is a summary of Bahamut's creation, imprisonment, and purpose; with the first and second bosses being two parties that sought Bahamut's power, and the last boss being Bahamut himself. And at the final phase of the fight, the entire party is promptly wiped before being revived by the phoenix, and given a special buff to push through to the very end.
Hey DG imma be making a game in the future that tells a story of many struggles of life and emotions but in a way where it will be in my own universe. So i wanna say thank you for making videos like these that fuel my passion to create a story and that give me so many new ideas keep up the amazing work
This is my second time watching this in the middle of the night. Just in a mood to watch your wrestling videos.
If you’re looking for great examples of enhancing a story through combat, grab Earthbound on Wii U. A lot of the comments here are obviously mentioning undertale, but its main influence has the best combat/narrative integration I have seen in a game thematically. Even though, just like some runs of Undertale there are times it specifically is grindy and rough, especially near the beginning, but it’s worth the journey. Also, thanks for the shout out! I know I’ve been getting to these videos a few days late lately due to life chaos, but I’m still always glad to be supporting your fantastic content. Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas Luke! And of course man, you deserve the attention. Also regarding earthbound, 100% need to put the time into playing that. Onto the pile of backlog games we go 😅
Hearing you talk about pro wrestling is always a great
Since there's so many indie examples to draw from, might as well point out how a triple A game did something kinda like this in terms of long-form buildup.
In Kingdom Hearts 3 near the end you have to fight what were essentially the 3 Big Bad Bosses as the 3 Warriors of Light, it's a culmination of all their fighting styles melding and complimenting one another in some crazy ways with the music fitting it as well, with each character defeat making it ever so slightly harder to continue in that sprawling match.
The last final Fight with Xehanort alongside Donald and Goofy, the silly guys who've been with you the entire time also has this great emotional impact near the end.
Interesting thought about the LIM study. I'm curious as to how much the order of the games introduced had an effect on the perception. Perhaps starting the player with Threes JS would have the player less pre-disposed to find an argument in LIM, given our tendency to look for patterns or consistencies within groupings of items.
I loved this video! I never knew wrestling was so interesting, I think I might get hooked. I also think your Xenoblade 2 example may have been a way to put “over” Pyra although I’m not sure just a guess. Have a wonderful Holiday Season and look out for those windows. Here’s to another year!
Pyre, although it tells its story and relationships throughout multiple battles, its one of my fave games ever for not only what it does with them but how it does it.
Great videos and channel, glad I found you and thanks for making all this.
I’d argue that the Golden Trigger hit by the Young Bucks to Kenny in the Omega/Page vs Young Bucks match is a move that says a thousand words, bringing back tensions all the way from their New Japan days back with a single hit.
Kenny’s kick out was a thousand words yelled right back.
Which is made so much better by the fact the match started with Kenny trying to play peace maker between the teams and watching it escalate to that point.
I think about that spot all the damn time. That kick out at one sent my soul into the stratosphere.