What courage, What faith, what tenacity it must have taken for Dr. Heiser and his family to discuss this crucial information with the public. A friend of mine, Joel, of whom told me of Dr. Michael Heiser, at Taylor University, over twenty plus years ago! I didn't want to touch it or discuss it, because it was foreign to everything I had been taught; I wish I would have listened to Joel! My professor, Dr. David Biberstein used this quote on several occasions and I truly believe it fits here. "God has given us all the time we need to accomplish His will for our lives." Dr. Heiser did just that and I thank the Professor for his arduous, God given, work and I thank his family for all their endearing sacrifices; These sacrifices are not in vain!!! People need to know the background of scripture to truly understand our story and our purpose. I am so thankful that He held to his convictions. Thank you all and God bless this family, Amen!!!
What does God do and not do? Does God weave this all together? Does God also weave all the mess and disinformation? Does God weave your life if it is blessed? Does God weave the life of the starving child who dies of disease?
I've listened to Chuck Missler's lectures on Melchizedek as well as delved into the Torah and the Book of Hebrews myself. Interesting topic; very interesting ...
I also believe the Melchizedek that Abram met was Shem, would that mean the first Melchizedek was Adam. Going all the way back, I do believe that the restoration of all things is at hand, and knocking. It just makes the most sense.
@@mattroberts9569 perhaps pointing to the order of Melchizedek, the order. As for what I know in jewish tradition a high priest is the interverner between man and the unseen or he who created everything. The word priest in Hebrew can be equal for a king in terms of authority but the difference "kohen" is more in a leader for the activity with the unseen or administrative to the road to the unseen
@@truthseeker9070 It could mean that. Have to say I've been intrigued by Melchizedek. Abraham who was above all gave 10% to him showing Melchizedek was of a higher order. And christ is from that line. It's very interesting
@mattroberts9569 I know where did you get the "he is Shem" in book of Jasher or Jubilees if I remember it correctly. Abraham was not above all. Yes, in his generation he is unique. Noah, Shem and Eber is still alive when Abraham was young but they are not in the same generation. So it means Abraham is unique in his generation In Jewish tradition Noah and Abraham have seen each other and spoke to each other. Noah and Shem and perhaps also Eber taught Abraham everything they know. No wonder Abraham is unique for he listen to his elders and preserve the right path from the beginning, for sure Noah taught him everything he knew before the flood So technically Noah was a "priest" and past it to "Shem" and shem past it to his Descendants A priest or "kohen" in hebrew is much more an intervener for the mankind.
How can Melchizedek be Shem? This is in direct contradiction to Hebrews 7:1-3: [1] For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; [2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; [3] **Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.**
The Bible is full of descriptions that arent literal. More so to paint a picture. Shem for example was several hundred years old. So the text paints an allusion to immortality. Which to be fair its possible it was given to him like Enoch but not mentioned. But also it could be an allusion to extremely old age.
@nicechock Melchizedek was without father and mother or descent. How else could you possibly take that other than literal? Except for forcing scripture to support your theology
If Shem is Melchizedek then, as it is written, Levi paid tithes to him in the loins of Abraham and thus the order of Melchizedek became the order of Levi and of Aaron. And Christ is not of that line. Therefore to say Shem is Melchizedek is an error.
@@jeremyhinken3365 I have always believed (as many do) that M. was a pre-Bethlehem appearance. I do not know why others have worked so hard to come up with a different answer. Christ IS God and as such can reveal Himself at any time and in any way He chooses. I love how Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Abraham was glad to see my day and rejoiced. “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am!”
It sounds to me that Melchizedek and Jesus same divine being. Jesus was Melchizedek. I also heard that the 144,000 souls came to Earth with Sanat Kumara ”The ancient of days” when Earth was in its lowest form aka too much darkness to save the Earth.
its a title yes. Who was he ? Well there were no other King and high priest in Sechem during that time than Shem when Abraham dwelled there. So it doesnt leave much room for speculation.
names were different in the old days, your name could be your profession or title or something derived from that, travelers could have many names depending on where they were
At some point I am hoping to hear a breakdown of the name. Mel=dark, Chi= force, Z= measurement of impedance, Dek =discipline. Making Melchizedek a personification of Dark Matter in the universe... But will I?
⁉️💯⁉️BUT WHAT THINGS WERE GAIN TO ME, THOSE I COUNTED LOSS FOR CHRIST. YEA DOUBTLESS, AND I COUNT ALL THINGS BUT LOSS FOR THE EXCELLENCY OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST JESUS MY LORD: FOR WHOM I HAVE SUFFERED THE LOSS OF ALL THINGS, AND DO COUNT THEM BUT DUNG, THAT I MAY WIN CHRIST, PHILIPPIANS 3:7-8
The border of the high priest, blue, purple and red with bells between, The curtain of the holy of holiest, blue, purple, red Blue, John 14:26, The Holy Spirit Purple, John 14:6, Immanuel Jesus Christ Red, God Almighty Elohim, Aka, Melchizedek? And the Angels saying, “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty who was, and is, and is to come ! Shalom
Priest King of the Zodiac(priest king of everybody). A man born under the trinity(triple exaltation of the stars)which means divine birth right. He has the sign of Orion on his left hand. He is the Great Masonic Secret. The first degree tracing board is the triple exaltation(his birth chart).
@debbieramsey3659 1Kings 14:29, 1 Kings 16:27, John 21:25. Definitely not included in the bible. I don't think you're in the bible either but for some reason you exist. It seems that not everything is in the bible as the scriptures above suggest Sir. . .or is it Ma'am?
15 minutes in, your guest managed to convince me that he has no idea what he is talking about, or what the scriptures mean. It is fortunate that God Almighty is communicating with man in the present day - or we would still be in the hands of the scribes and the Pharisees!
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we believe that Melchizedek is King of Righteousness, and King of Peace, King of Salem, and King of Jerusalem in the day of Abraham. We believe that Melchizedek emulated Enoch, and taught his people to be righteous, so that he and they were taken up to heaven just as Enoch was.
My understanding is that LDS teach that the entire city of Enoch was righteous and that entire city was translated with him. I didn't know that LDS also teach that Melchizedek's nation was entirely righteous and was also translated.
Enoch was not the King of Salem then. This is explained in the Jubilees or Jasher. The King and High priest in the day of Abraham was Shem. Abraham dwells with Shem also when he escaped from Nimrod. Enoch was there thousands of years prior.
these questions only arise because the Catholic Church or the council took sealed books out of the Scriptures. Those books that explain alot of this stuff.
Mormons also believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. God the father is an exalted man from another earth , and there are many universes with each their own creator "God". Through process or exaultation with good works mormons can become "Gods" and create their own earths to be worsted on.
I've always wondered how much of the Old Testament is written and colored through the lens of the Babylonian exiles. Or, what it would look like if it weren't written by those exiles. Probably more Greek in flavor?
This whole discussion sounds like a Talmudic exercise in disputation that never comes to a conclusion. That’s because Hebrew is such a vague and imprecise language.
no it's a heavily contextual language unlike English. that plus we're not the books intended audience, plus attempting to grasp the ancient mind, plus modern rabbinic judaism actively misrepresents pre and post 2nd temple theology because they hate Christianity, PLUS simply the passage of time. really it's none other than a miracle from God we understand anything in the Bible
Interpretation requires the New Testament Book of Hebrews. Melchizedek is the founder of an Order and the apostles in the NT are ordained by Jesus Christ according to the Order of Melchizedek. In Genesis 1-3 we become aware of God as someone that Adam and Eve can actually sense in a human way as the presence of God. The Word of God before His Incarnation may have appeared in a sensory way to Adam and Eve just as an angel can assemble and disassemble a body that can be seen in a human way. Jesus Christ fulfills all righteousness. This is made clear in the NT. For me, Jesus whom Christians acknowledge as King is the King of Righteousness.
Scripture evidence shows you don't have to be part of the tribe you rule over. Herod and sons crowned themselves 'king over the Jews, or of. They were Edomites though- biblical enemy of Jacob Israel and Israel's son Judah. If Malchezedek is Christ pre- incarnate, he would have converted some Cannites or Kenites (another twisted branch off the tree) in their own language. All these people God sets up as His enemies..because they turned from God early on and went off to 'do their own thing' that is how YHVH is Tsedek would make sense. Praise the Lord, YHVH being the most infinite of personal names and Zedek being the title. David is a type of Jesus Christ and in Psalms God gives David the heathen for his inheritance, a people he has not known.
I have listened to this numerous times. I miss Dr. Heiser. Thanks for keeping this on RUclips ❤
What courage, What faith, what tenacity it must have taken for Dr. Heiser and his family to discuss this crucial information with the public. A friend of mine, Joel, of whom told me of Dr. Michael Heiser, at Taylor University, over twenty plus years ago! I didn't want to touch it or discuss it, because it was foreign to everything I had been taught; I wish I would have listened to Joel!
My professor, Dr. David Biberstein used this quote on several occasions and I truly believe it fits here. "God has given us all the time we need to accomplish His will for our lives." Dr. Heiser did just that and I thank the Professor for his arduous, God given, work and I thank his family for all their endearing sacrifices; These sacrifices are not in vain!!! People need to know the background of scripture to truly understand our story and our purpose. I am so thankful that He held to his convictions. Thank you all and God bless this family, Amen!!!
I listened years ago on the podcast. This is very convenient on RUclips. Great stuff. I enjoy how God weaves this all together.
What does God do and not do? Does God weave this all together? Does God also weave all the mess and disinformation? Does God weave your life if it is blessed? Does God weave the life of the starving child who dies of disease?
I've listened to Chuck Missler's lectures on Melchizedek as well as delved into the Torah and the Book of Hebrews myself. Interesting topic; very interesting ...
Psalms 131:1
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O Lord, my heart is not proud, nor my eyes haughty;Nor do I involve myself in great matters,Or in things too difficult for me...‼️
In what context are you quoting this scripture?
@GoemonLovesFujiko
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⚠️💯⚠️O Lord, my heart is not proud, nor my eyes haughty; Nor do I involve myself in great matters,Or in things too difficult for me.!!!
Psalms 131:1
This is fantastic! ✝️
Small world! We have the same name in Georgia. Everywhere in Atlanta, MLK Boulevard, MLK Street, MLK Avenue...
Funny 'cause it's even referring to a man with the last name "King."
I also believe the Melchizedek that Abram met was Shem, would that mean the first Melchizedek was Adam. Going all the way back, I do believe that the restoration of all things is at hand, and knocking. It just makes the most sense.
Great video
Such a name
He's Shem, son of Noah. Lucky guess. Now, I'll continue missing Michael S. Heiser.
It kinda has to be. Shem was the High Priest and King during Abrahams time there.
@@nicechockbut why in scripture does it say he had no beginning and no end? Right?
@@mattroberts9569 perhaps pointing to the order of Melchizedek, the order.
As for what I know in jewish tradition a high priest is the interverner between man and the unseen or he who created everything.
The word priest in Hebrew can be equal for a king in terms of authority but the difference "kohen" is more in a leader for the activity with the unseen or administrative to the road to the unseen
@@truthseeker9070 It could mean that. Have to say I've been intrigued by Melchizedek. Abraham who was above all gave 10% to him showing Melchizedek was of a higher order. And christ is from that line. It's very interesting
@mattroberts9569 I know where did you get the "he is Shem" in book of Jasher or Jubilees if I remember it correctly.
Abraham was not above all. Yes, in his generation he is unique.
Noah, Shem and Eber is still alive when Abraham was young but they are not in the same generation. So it means Abraham is unique in his generation
In Jewish tradition Noah and Abraham have seen each other and spoke to each other.
Noah and Shem and perhaps also Eber taught Abraham everything they know.
No wonder Abraham is unique for he listen to his elders and preserve the right path from the beginning, for sure Noah taught him everything he knew before the flood
So technically Noah was a "priest" and past it to "Shem" and shem past it to his Descendants
A priest or "kohen" in hebrew is much more an intervener for the mankind.
How can Melchizedek be Shem? This is in direct contradiction to Hebrews 7:1-3:
[1] For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3] **Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.**
King of Salem during that time was literally Shem. I dont see any contradiction there. its all documented in the annals of hebrews.
The Bible is full of descriptions that arent literal. More so to paint a picture. Shem for example was several hundred years old. So the text paints an allusion to immortality. Which to be fair its possible it was given to him like Enoch but not mentioned. But also it could be an allusion to extremely old age.
@nicechock Melchizedek was without father and mother or descent. How else could you possibly take that other than literal? Except for forcing scripture to support your theology
If Shem is Melchizedek then, as it is written, Levi paid tithes to him in the loins of Abraham and thus the order of Melchizedek became the order of Levi and of Aaron. And Christ is not of that line. Therefore to say Shem is Melchizedek is an error.
@@jeremyhinken3365 I have always believed (as many do) that M. was a pre-Bethlehem appearance. I do not know why others have worked so hard to come up with a different answer. Christ IS God and as such can reveal Himself at any time and in any way He chooses. I love how Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Abraham was glad to see my day and rejoiced. “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am!”
What is the link to the original podcast?
I also believe the Melchizedek that Abram met was Shem, would that mean the first Melchizedek was Adam
It sounds to me that Melchizedek and Jesus same divine being. Jesus was Melchizedek.
I also heard that the 144,000 souls came to Earth with Sanat Kumara ”The ancient of days” when Earth was in its lowest form aka too much darkness to save the Earth.
Melchizedek is still alive.
R.C sproul states that Melchisidek is the Lord himself. This is also what is stated in the works of Jakon Lorber,
Melchizedek is a title not name. Means righteous king. Who he was is up to debate
its a title yes. Who was he ? Well there were no other King and high priest in Sechem during that time than Shem when Abraham dwelled there. So it doesnt leave much room for speculation.
So he was a righteous king? What was his name then?
names were different in the old days, your name could be your profession or title or something derived from that, travelers could have many names depending on where they were
At some point I am hoping to hear a breakdown of the name. Mel=dark, Chi= force, Z= measurement of impedance, Dek =discipline. Making Melchizedek a personification of Dark Matter in the universe... But will I?
⁉️💯⁉️BUT WHAT THINGS WERE GAIN TO ME, THOSE I COUNTED LOSS FOR CHRIST. YEA DOUBTLESS, AND I COUNT ALL THINGS BUT LOSS FOR THE EXCELLENCY OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST JESUS MY LORD: FOR WHOM I HAVE SUFFERED THE LOSS OF ALL THINGS, AND DO COUNT THEM BUT DUNG, THAT I MAY WIN CHRIST, PHILIPPIANS 3:7-8
Never heard of him...
“Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,”
Genesis 14:18 NIV
@@NinjaCatFail Jubilees or Jasher identifies the High priest as Shem.
He’s in the Bible
But is MLK a Canaanite really? Abraham was a Hebrew (son of Eber) living in Canaan, but not a Canaanite.
The border of the high priest, blue, purple and red with bells between,
The curtain of the holy of holiest, blue, purple, red
Blue, John 14:26, The Holy Spirit
Purple, John 14:6, Immanuel Jesus Christ
Red, God Almighty Elohim, Aka, Melchizedek?
And the Angels saying,
“Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty who was, and is, and is to come !
Shalom
Melchizedek had no genealogy,
So Shem and others with genealogy would half to be omitted ,
Cyrus is Melchizedek.
Priest King of the Zodiac(priest king of everybody). A man born under the trinity(triple exaltation of the stars)which means divine birth right. He has the sign of Orion on his left hand. He is the Great Masonic Secret. The first degree tracing board is the triple exaltation(his birth chart).
New age. Not biblical sir.
@debbieramsey3659 1Kings 14:29, 1 Kings 16:27, John 21:25. Definitely not included in the bible. I don't think you're in the bible either but for some reason you exist. It seems that not everything is in the bible as the scriptures above suggest Sir. . .or is it Ma'am?
15 minutes in, your guest managed to convince me that he has no idea what he is talking about, or what the scriptures mean. It is fortunate that God Almighty is communicating with man in the present day - or we would still be in the hands of the scribes and the Pharisees!
he was an extremely well written biblical scholar who wrote his PhD dissertation on the theology of the Bible. i wouldn't underestimate his knowledge
Fortune indeed!
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we believe that Melchizedek is King of Righteousness, and King of Peace, King of Salem, and King of Jerusalem in the day of Abraham. We believe that Melchizedek emulated Enoch, and taught his people to be righteous, so that he and they were taken up to heaven just as Enoch was.
My understanding is that LDS teach that the entire city of Enoch was righteous and that entire city was translated with him. I didn't know that LDS also teach that Melchizedek's nation was entirely righteous and was also translated.
Enoch was not the King of Salem then. This is explained in the Jubilees or Jasher. The King and High priest in the day of Abraham was Shem. Abraham dwells with Shem also when he escaped from Nimrod. Enoch was there thousands of years prior.
these questions only arise because the Catholic Church or the council took sealed books out of the Scriptures. Those books that explain alot of this stuff.
Mormons also believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. God the father is an exalted man from another earth , and there are many universes with each their own creator "God". Through process or exaultation with good works mormons can become "Gods" and create their own earths to be worsted on.
No one should ever listen to your false teachings. Your cult is a cancer upon Christianity.
Your translation takes too much liberty with changing He to Abraham. That is not in the Hebrew.
I've always wondered how much of the Old Testament is written and colored through the lens of the Babylonian exiles. Or, what it would look like if it weren't written by those exiles. Probably more Greek in flavor?
Maybe SALEM is old location for future Jeru-salem. Maybe King of Salem is really the LAND of Jerusalem..in ancient times...
What if he's just a priest of this god Zedek and God drafted him to bless Abraham? It does seem like God could pull rank on other gods in this way.
He was Shem a Zadokite priest. Adam the first Yahshua was the last
This whole discussion sounds like a Talmudic exercise in disputation that never comes to a conclusion. That’s because Hebrew is such a vague and imprecise language.
no it's a heavily contextual language unlike English.
that plus we're not the books intended audience, plus attempting to grasp the ancient mind, plus modern rabbinic judaism actively misrepresents pre and post 2nd temple theology because they hate Christianity, PLUS simply the passage of time.
really it's none other than a miracle from God we understand anything in the Bible
Interpretation requires the New Testament Book of Hebrews. Melchizedek is the founder of an Order and the apostles in the NT are ordained by Jesus Christ according to the Order of Melchizedek. In Genesis 1-3 we become aware of God as someone that Adam and Eve can actually sense in a human way as the presence of God. The Word of God before His Incarnation may have appeared in a sensory way to Adam and Eve just as an angel can assemble and disassemble a body that can be seen in a human way. Jesus Christ fulfills all righteousness. This is made clear in the NT. For me, Jesus whom Christians acknowledge as King is the King of Righteousness.
Scripture evidence shows you don't have to be part of the tribe you rule over. Herod and sons crowned themselves 'king over the Jews, or of. They were Edomites though- biblical enemy of Jacob Israel and Israel's son Judah. If Malchezedek is Christ pre- incarnate, he would have converted some Cannites or Kenites (another twisted branch off the tree) in their own language. All these people God sets up as His enemies..because they turned from God early on and went off to 'do their own thing' that is how YHVH is Tsedek would make sense. Praise the Lord, YHVH being the most infinite of personal names and Zedek being the title.
David is a type of Jesus Christ and in Psalms God gives David the heathen for his inheritance, a people he has not known.
Ummm. Nope....
This is honestly one of THE WORST explanations of the sons of Noah I have ever heard!!! Wow!!! Garbage?!!!!!