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Can a CNC make you money? I made 87 whiskey bourbon smokers on my CNC router and laser to sell at upcoming craft fairs!
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I mean without being negative, and getting too detailed - $500+/hr is a very unrealistic number here. Dont believe the hype, beginner CNCers and woodworkers - hope you can see these are not sold, finished, or original. And I say that as respectfully as I can Andy.
Yes, but I think the video is more focused on the ability of batching small items and being able to have inventory ready. Even if it’s not original, it can still be sold.
Not to mention that you need thousands or maybe hundreds thousands of dollar worth of equipment to do that plus thousands of dollars worth of training...
I agree. This is like saying the only important part of an air force is the pilot. Without the other steps, which all take money, effort and time, it would be useless.
Agreed. Was just coming to post... cost of materials, additional machining time (planer, hand processing, hand sanding, etc). Broken bits (yes, it happens). Then don't forget your time sitting in the booth hoping for a sale (unless you're just on ETSY?), costs of the vendor booth.
@@cheroso1000The cnc that he uses is worth around 20k and if we add the other woodworking tools that someone would need like the planer, sanders, bandsaw etc, it’s an investment of about 35k total. Plus the formation you need to do what he does, it can be found for free on RUclips. However his breakdown of $500/hours is laughable because you have to calculate the time you spend getting the material plus all the prep and setup time. More importantly, you have to calculate the time and money you spend selling all those items. Craft shows are not free and you have to pay to be able to sell there, you have to pay gas to get there etc.
I’ve been using a cnc for a while now. I worked at a MakerSpace and fell in love with their Shopbot. I then inherited an xcarve for my own shop when my brother closed down his shop. I love the cnc. The MakerSpace of course had great lasers as well. I have a Glowforge in my shop. Two things happened…. First… I got the glowforge and was doing a lot of things with it. Second… my xcarve was proving to be out of square/level. I did a couple of things to get it level again and started noticing it again. I’m not the kind to “tinker”. So it’s pretty much been sitting unused in my shop. I know I need to do something with it and I know I want to. But I’ve just gotten away from it. Watching this video makes me want to get it up and running again. I know it’s not as powerful as your machine. But like you said… I can still do it. It just will be smaller batches and not as fast. I’m ok with that. LOL. I’m making these cheese and cracker trays with my router and it would be SOOOOO much better if I had it on my cnc. lol. Just gotta get the work done. I could also go to the MakerSpace and do it on the shopbot. But it’s 45 minutes away. So… not sure I want to.
Either way. It’s the new year. I need to put this on my list of goals for 2024. Thanks for sharing.
Your xcarve would be so much faster! But it sounds like you got a system figured out for now.
Great video Andy, loved how easy it was for you to mass produce the smoker! Love the hybrid element of CNC and laser too! Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Love the video, love the full explanation, great quality video. Thanks a lot for sharing. To me the only addition I would absolutely love in these videos would be a more correct valuation of the costs such as a better overhead estimate. I wouldn't mind the full details of the more real costs but other viewers might not like it, so just a correct number without too much indepth detail on how you got there is ok of real costs per hour. (Devaluation of the equipment, costs for tools incl. IT materials, office space + workshop space price => all downsized to an hourly cost estimate)
Killer video Andy! That efficient production work on a CNC really gets me excited! Well done and well explained 🤘🏼
Thanks for watching man! This excites me too!
I like these types of videos. Good work.
Glad to hear it!
Yep adding the final pass at .02” it definitely helped.
I usually do my final pass @ .03” it makes less force at the cut out 👍
Those all look great. I put a real light coat of mineral oil on ones that I made a few weeks ago and I think it made it look better.
Thanks! Any worries about using a flame on the it with that mineral oil on there?
@@AndyBirdBuilds It has a higher flashpoint so some parts say it isn't flammable and others say it is. It does need a higher temperature to ignite which is how it they say it is non flammable. With that being said, I put a very light coat on it and have not had an issue as of yet. Other things I have read online, say if "should" be safe for that application but I am not 100% sure
Great workflow. Takes lots of practice to make it look that smooth. Awesome job buddy!
Appreciate that 💯
Hey Andy, thanks for the great info as always…idk if you’ve considered it or have the time, but I would definitely be willing to pay and travel for an in person course with you on teaching all things CNC! I say in person cause that’s just the way I learn, takes me like 2x as long doing it through watching videos..but to be able to pick your brain and ask specific questions would be invaluable!
Thanks for watching and the feedback! I'll keep this in mind
I would also be interested in this.. @@AndyBirdBuilds
This a great idea! Id be willing to pay too! :)
Hey Andy,
I do not have a CNC but I just made a bunch of Cherry cocktail smokers for a distillery at they look phenomenal with mineral oil finish. I just did a dip and then set them out to dry.
Thanks for the feedback! Do you worry about burning the wood with a mineral oil finish?
@@AndyBirdBuilds just sent you the vid on Instagram
No way laser and cnc in one machine you are boss respect
Thanks Andy, great video!
Thank you for watching!
Could have possibilities. Depends on how many sell and what price you can get.
Could you have cut the tabs with the laser to avoid having to hand cut them?
I like the thought, but I don't think it would have been a success because it would be unfocused
The profit calculation and hourly pay sounds impressive, but it doesn't take into account things like fuel, food, lodging, or show fees. (or hours spent in your booth)
Nice setup!
Thanks! I really like it
Great video but I think times/cost calculations should include drive time to get material, file prep/design and the finish sanding. No way that was all done in 3ish hrs.
Great video showing how to organize your process. However, you are slightly over exaggerating the profit. You still have to cut out a lot of tabs, sand them out, clean them up, pack them up, probably pay for a booth, and spend a day or so doing sales. That's still a good profit but some of your audience may fail short because they have to do more than they expected. Please don't take this the wrong way I'm not a troll trying to bad mouth you. I've been in the carpentry and woodworking business for 32 years and I've seen people work for me for a short time and jumped out on their own but they didn't make it because it was more challenging than expected.
I use mineral oil on all of mine. Adds the finished look but doesn't add anything to the smoke.
Thank you for the insight!
I enjoy watch you RUclips videos, question on your 1. can I use the file as a resale piece and 2. can I change the map to Minnesota? I I can how do change the map (yes, I am a newbie sorry to be a pain LOL)
Thank you
Ed
Hey! Thanks for watching. Yes to both of your questions! Go for it
Just wondering why you wouldn’t use a up cutting bit or isn’t that a option?
I could have but I wanted a clean top edge.
Nice video, thanks :)
Glad you liked it!
i can tell just from the intro its not over $2000 in less than an half hour, there's a few hours of prep just to get it onto the machine. Pretty cool tho.
You're right, that's why I said "In less than a half a DAY" not a half an hour
@@AndyBirdBuilds my bad, thought you said half an hour, sitting here listening to the video and doing work bit me in the ass this time ha.
Great video! Did you only screw down the boards at both ends, or did you have some in the middle as well to eliminate any warps etc. Cheers!
So how did the sales go?
hey Andy i just got up and running and im looking for the file on these, is it available?
Что это за штука которую он делает?
Nice work Andy, where do you get your lumber, hard to find wood in south TX, can I get it online?
Why is your air hose not running in your cable chain?
It is.
Thanks!
Thank you! Happy New Year!
Awesome work! Thanks for the shout-out, Andy. Hope the market days go well!
You got it dude!
Which purpose this product used
Can you add a laser like that to your shapeoko 4
No I can't
Then I would need a separate machine or different Cnc to add logo or images to a project ? I currently don’t have any thing.
hey pal, how do you handle woodworking noise? it seems you live in a quiet neighbourhood.
Its really not a problem when the garage door is closed
Question for you Andy...
Does the machine you use have a permanent x-y home coordinate? When you're switching out bits, how can you guarantee the same x-y reference? I have a FoxAlien 4040-XE. I'm thinking of making a dedicated home fixture.
Dave
Whatever I set the xy zero at the beginning is what it uses for the entire job. When you're doing bit changes the only thing you need to do is reset the z zero
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thanks Andy. I think my issue was that I would move the spindle to the center, hit the e-stop, change the bit, then when I reset it, I would lose my X-Y. I just tried the same process, but left the spindle at home. When I reset it, i just re-zeroed X-Y where it sat.
and where to buy this metal mesh? )))
Andy, you said you are sellig for $25. Is that including ther torch and chips you have linked in the notes below? If so, how did you arrive at the pricing of the package? If no, what would you price the entire package at? I have been making a couple of similar versions that I got from Hamilton for almost a year with little to no success. Don't know if it is my price, my market or what? looking for some guidance. Keep bringing the good info. Thanks in advance.
I do not sell the torch but it comes with a sample of chips. I think one of the hurdles of a unique product like this is the customer knowing what it is and what it does. I plan on doing demonstrations at outdoor events and having videos of it being used for indoor events. For me, I live in the heart of bourbon country, litterly where most of the worlds bourbon is made, so the market is there for me. Hope this helps.
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thanks for the response Andy, as a Bourbon guy I am well aware of your location. You are are in a great spot geographically for this product. I am just south of you. in Alabama. I think I can still work in the torch and cherry smoking maerial and still come in at enough for a reasonable margin. Thanks again.
I wonder what a liability for something like this is going to be. It is not hard to imagine that someone sets their house on fire by dumping not fully extinguished sawdust into a trash can.
I need the machine, electricity, insurance, a hall, employees, etc. That's how you have to measure it.
missing the most important thing.. how to sell these pieces of wood for $25 😅
Look around my channel. I've covered this topic thoroughly.
To sell it for 25$ is key.
Agreed.
I'm pretty sure white oak is toxic when burnt...
I'm pretty sure it's not because the inside of every bourbon barrel is burnt before it's filled.
Lol.... Using ood to create a support to burn some material..... 🤔
the dust collection works perfect XD its kinda useless...
The things I sacrifice for your viewing experience
Rpm.? Mister?
16,000 to 18,000 and no
unless your surface coating is safe for human consumption I would leave them bare. Dont want to be the guy who poisoned his customers.
Definitely a "hustle" when you use short profit math? Let's be realistic.
Quality cutting tools that last are almost $100 ea now. Cost of everything in your shop $$$, Periodical maintenance & parts on all the machines in your shop $$, The next time you "don't" catch that snagged air line $$$, Material losses from common drawing to fabrication mistakes $, Code input errors that damage the CNC & materials $$$, software costs $$$, sales / marketing time & cost $, And all the man hours in a project that you're not behind the machine producing product $, etc..
Hobby CNC's are not a get rich quick tool. The learning curve on the CAD & CNC software alone scares most people away. Small machines can be a great home tool that can produce mediocre supplemental income and the potential learning device that may stem to a career. Realistic expectations. Marketplace is full of CNC's, 3D printers, and lasers from people who thought differently.
That isnt HomeBased CNC..
Sure it is. I work out of my home.
Less than half a day without the logistic, sales, marketing... 😅
BS video. The wood portion is just s small part of a product, you need to have packaging, the wood chips to burn in a container, etc. The wood cover is just a piece of the puzzle in regards to cost.
Did you watch the whole video? All costs of production are accounted for.
Click bait photo. Lost respect
Thanks for the feedback. But the video is exactly what the thumbnail says. I made $578 in product per hour.
Что это такое и для чего нужно? Я так и не понял)))
Ето украшения
Sounds like you need to redesign your dust boot to be two halves you could put on as its running.....I can take mine off and on as my machine runs.
thanks Andy. Even with a Foxalien Masuter pro(with Makita router) i can do 8 at a time with patience. Just a matter of scale. Great vid with lots of useful information.
Thanks for watching! I agree, it doesn't take a massive machine to do this at a smaller scale!
Mineral oil doesn't have a high penetration or holding value, so it's just gonna leech out, especially adding intense heat to the middle exposed end grain. So, probably not your best choice.
Thanks for the info! I think I'm just going to leave them raw.
If you want a deeper penetration of a coating on a piece . Get a vacume pump from Harbour freight and an appropriate sized vessel that would hold a vacume. Go from there .😊
@@terrylembke8100 can you tell me your process? I’ve never done what you’re saying, need to learn all options of finishing projects.
This was a fun edit. Enjoyed the video and project dude.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Assuming you could sell every one of them.Also you left out cost of electric operation maintenance repair which is a factor. An adult seriously that many people out there with a glass of bourbon smoking. Realistic cell is about 25 to 50%.. unless you got lucky. So per hour is a lot less 25 to 50% less.
Wow, amazing video! We can help you customize the CNC cutter for the CNC router to cut any material at the best price, pls contact me if you need it, tks.
That 1/2" shank on the ball nose bit makes a HUGE difference in feeds and speeds! That was cool to watch!
Sweet! It sure does. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for showing your tool paths & explaining the material set up process! Amazing process & it’s great to see the laser integrated with the cnc
Glad you enjoyed it!
do you know what program hes using??
Hi, Andy! I’m just wondering why the chimney on the bourbon smoker is offset? Why isn’t it in the middle? Love your videos by the way!
Thanks for watching! It means a lot👊 You could totally do it in the middle. I like it this way because it gives room to add the Kentucky engraving
Hi Andy, amazing machine and process.
Ham’s recent version eliminated the chimney. H ave you found a more positive response with keeping them?
I think there would be a better perception of value if you oiled them. Your test piece seemed to char faster, but that could have been the angle of the torch.
With that volume, I would try spraying them. Not sure, as the idea of atomized oil in the air kinda creeps me out 🤣
Killer video!
Thanks for the feedback! I like the chimney as long as there is a contour. Thats why I use a bowl and tray bit.
Great video!
Any input on your Dewalt Planer?
I’m on the fence on purchasing one but keep hearing the knives dull very quickly.
I’m sure it’s a lot of how it’s set up and etc but just curious about your experience with it.
Thanks.
Thank you! I haven't experienced the blade wearing quickly. You can get replacements for about $50 at Lowes. It looks like its on sale right now on Amazon. amzn.to/45P0SME
@@AndyBirdBuilds Thanks Andy!
Appreciate the response
Hey Andy, hope you are well. I was wondering is your cnc machine custom made ? because I haven’t seen cnc machine with a laser. Honestly that’s so damn cool. You’re UK fan
Its all from Avid CNC!
ruclips.net/video/P4JArtOKhL4/видео.html
Are these all for a bulk order or ones that you are meditating for individual sales?
Like I mentioned in the video, they're for upcoming craft shows we do every year.
Hi Andy,
Another great helpful video. I have ordered a Shapeoko 5 Pro and have been practicing on their software. As I watch videos on RUclips and practice on the Carbide 3 software it seems that the Carbide 3 software is limited for things that I would like to do. Do you recommend a cad cam software for a new startup CNC business?
Great to hear you found the video helpful! I recommend starting with the software that your CNC manufacturer recommends
If you outgrow the Carbide 3d software, there are a couple different packages. I use Fusion 360 which is very versatile but has a decent learning curve. That said, for the typical stuff that you would use the Shapeoko for, you'll probably want to get VCarve Desktop at some point. As Andy said, start with the Carbide software as it works well and is designed for the specific features of your Shapeoko. Good luck!
I turn mine on the lathe and use a miner oil finish. This is way more efficient, I’m jealous!
But it works! Keep up the great work
Dope choice of music!!
Что это за изделие ?
Great video. @6:20 "if something had went wrong". When you use "had", you have to use "gone" rather than "went". Just doing my part for humanity.
Hi, great video Andy and very informative as usual 👍.
Great to hear! Thank you for watching
which CNC machine is this and did you add the laser separately , or is it an option from the company?
Thank you
Alex
Where did you get you dust boot for the CNC spindle? I have made one for myself but it isn't great. I have the Avid 5x8 with a 8.7hp spindle.
www.kentcnc.net/nc
im not drink.... please tell me what a effect of smoke in wiskey glass? i cant undeerstand
Great video, we are all looking to learn how to batch things out this way. Are you selling the design? I think these would sell in my area as well. Love to buy it
Anyone know what the CNC software is that he uses? Any opinions on it over alternatives?
What about the time it will take to sell? You didn’t calculate that into your costs.
you should get some brass gromets to line the burn hole so the wood don't burn on them.
Doesn't the smoker itself catch fire?
Thanks for the video, very informative! Did you have to do a lot of trial and error by creating a single prototype at a time or were you able to get it mostly honed in digitally?
Glad you liked it! I did about 3 physical prototypes
Great video - but didn’t see any links for screen or lighter used?
Please what kind of machine are you using ?
I made these before. Nobody really wants them.
That depends on where you're selling them
@@AndyBirdBuilds I put them online with no bites. But locally seemed way easier to sell.
Hard to believe anyone is spending $25 for one of these
What did u make a pipe not wt I was looking at
i always wonder who would buy these for 25$ ? if i would sell them i wouldn't dare to go over 7$
The type of person who smokes their whiskey is a person who has developed particular taste and it's about the "feeling" not logical reason for their purchase. Speak to their emotions and give them that experience through your product.
Need a good quality Andy birds bit to cut that white oak
I agree! :)
Congrats on having a youtube channel that gets you sales, happy for you.
Thank you!
Hey Andy, love your videos. I'm a beginner with my CNC but learning alot from your videos. Thanks very much!! Would adding a mineral oil finish effect the way it burns or effect the taste that is added by the smoke? I don't know, just a thought. Thanks again, keep the videos coming!
Thank you for the feedback! I've had the same thoughts. I'm leaning towards not applying a finish
Good job