"Surrender. You will be shown mercy" Bridge Officer: oh good, I'll be able to see my newborn baby gi- Admiral: Does he think we are cowards?! WE DIE LIKE MEN! Bridge Officer: :|
@@itz_ex0_279 you can now determine who's who, since the original kinds have similar ship designs and the uniforms are all black for both sides now that the free planets have blue uniforms they kinda look now like the good guys
@@austrone8586 on top of that, it’s pretty easy to distinguish rank amongst those in the Empire now. Where the original had the chest pieces and such, I feel like having different types of uniforms for Flag and Junior Officers makes it much easier to tell the characters in the Galactic Empire apart.
If the surprise attack fails (just what the Gwomnotta Squadron exactly wanted) Hercheal's personal Fleet will open fire on its enemy fleet. They will literally do so. With Hercheal's permission might I add. If the correctly timed attack is delayed just a little. It could have tremendous consequences. Hercheal does not want that to happen and likely never will. If too much pressure is stacked against hercheal and will still agrees is likely overkill for the enemy fleet
They should be using a lot more of that “armor-piercing” ammo. It seemed to really wreck those Alliance ships very easily. At least when compared to their normal guns.
Because their neutron particle cannons has effective range in light seconds (on-screen in the original OVA put its effective range at 20 light second!) and hit almost instantly. AP ammo are basically mass driver with velocity of the fraction of light speed (5% of light speed, to quote the old OVA) which is inaccurate beyond 1 light second range due giving enemy plenty of time to detect it coming and move out of the way. So the only time they'd use one is when they close the distance to below light second range to make it more accurate.
machaiping Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. It’s my first time getting into this series so I guess it is tough for me to judge distance and what is really going on in the battles.
To be accurate, their battle distance is measuredin light seconds The shells fired from their neutron particle guns have a range of light seconds and shell speed is close to the speed of light, and as long as the generator is running, they can constantly fire, sovthe chance of hitting the target is quite high Yet the AP shells or missle is far slower, so by the time it reaches the target, they will be long gone So its only effective in short range The number of shells each ship can carry is limited as well
@@tukangiseng No. It happened because he fought the battle wrong. His XO actually had the right idea as it would allowed them to continue moving as a cohesive force and maintain distance.
That admiral kinda reminds me of the IJN admirals who did stupid things like go down with their ships and doing suicidal charges in the name of honor, getting their men killed and fucking up Japan's strategy in the process. Except here it sucks even more since it's the good guys' (by comparison) commanders who do those dumb things.
@@mariogarciaperez7211 Well yeah, the Alliance sucks, but I still think it's not as bad as the Empire. I prefer a flawed democracy over an authoritarian monarchy.
@@mariogarciaperez7211 An entire season is a guy who somehow made it to commodore throwing the lives of like 8 fleets and I can't even count how many people.
When your effective range needs to be measured in light seconds, it's probably really important to have long cannons so that you can actually hit what you're aiming at. I'm pretty sure the ships do have turrents but they're only for small fighter craft since those come in close, they wouldn't work so well in long range combat.
poppyface Thanks for telling me. This style of warfare ain't unheard of, it's essentially their way of fighting as they've already found ways to hit ships from afar without really missing those shots.
@@bargainbin6162 Technically the guns have about 30 degrees of movement, however they're spinally mounted and meant to fire at targets more or less directly in front of them. On top of that because of how the Void Combat is having turrets ala Space Battleship Yamato or even like in Battlefleet Gothic is just sinking (pun) cost where it doesn't need to be. The Ships are inevitably going to get sunk or seriously damaged with a direct hit at "Close" range so having a turret would mean yet another thing to build and add onto the ship or to repair when a ship gets a glancing blow.
Because turret based that fired in far distance is expensive, required high maintenance and manpower, so making it fixed and let your ship engine as your solution and hull as protection is cheap and efficient (plus the weapon itself is already insanely accurate and has sort of wide angle firing)
They fight in space, where 3D movement is easy and completely possible, yet all they do is move in a 2d dimension, and all their shieldings and weapons are on the front of their ships?
They usually fight at distances measured in lightseconds. At that distance, the Z-axis doesn't really matter as much as even a single degree up or down can result in a massive overshot from their target. Same reason why the majority of there weapons are at the front though shielding is actually all around. It's just that the weapons are way too powerful for their shields. Also, remember that each fleet on average has around 10-15,000 ships PER fleet. The ships are spaced quite evenly on all sides not just on one plane. Since there are so many ships, when moving together, the sheer size of the fleets makes their movement look 2D on depictions.
They do move in 3D! This is, in fact, the only sci-fi I've ever seen where they move in 3D. There are weapons on the sides (you even see them later in the episode) and the shields are in front because that's where most of the fire comes from. Watch the rest of the series, it's great, and the tactics are the best in sci-fi. If you like sci-fi, you won't regret watching the whole series.
Having a completely forward-facing main battery (for line-of-sight weapons at least) and forward concentration of armor is how you get the greatest effect out of your weight capacity. It's for the same reason that most modern tanks put like 75% of their armor to the front; to achieve that level of protection everywhere would require such a weight of armor that you'd take a completely unacceptable hit to mobility.
I would recommend the original anime, Legend of Galactic Heroes. The anime in the video is a reboot and it’s ok but. it doesn’t come close to the original imo.
Space Battleship Yamato. Albeit the first season doesn’t have much fleet battle, mostly one ship vs all enemy in the most desperate situation, the other later seasons saw some bigger actions. Highly recommend to start with the remake, just search Space Battleship Yamato 2199.
Dude in a way, they're aliens. Aliens are just lifeforms outside of your planet. And there's multiple planets. They consider planets like countries so there you go.
Because Humanity only colonised one arm (that being the Sagittarius arm) of a cluster of stars it's very likely that Aliens either aren't aware of Humanity or are only observing them from an obscenely long distance. possibly even in the future, because of how time dilation works.
@@bargainbin6162 that depends on the size of the weapon system, there is no point of having a turret if the barrel makes up 1/4 of the length of your ship. because then that turret will be atrociously large and if you were caught on the side in the first place, you've already fked up.
They have to do that. They fight in distances measured in light seconds so to achieve better precision the guns must have the longest barrels possible, hence the location on the bow. Also, the sizes of the fleets(tens of thousands) elliminates any need for turrets as formations can be adopted to defend. They do have short range missiles for small fighter craft though.
"Surrender. You will be shown mercy"
Bridge Officer: oh good, I'll be able to see my newborn baby gi-
Admiral: Does he think we are cowards?! WE DIE LIKE MEN!
Bridge Officer: :|
That’s usually when someone pulls out their sidearm and shoots the admiral
well the imperials actually seemed a tad more inclined to exactly that than the fpa.
If FPA Admirals willingly listen to their 2nd in command; their loses will certainly not always "total lost".
What I like about this remake is that the new uniforms and ships designs.
I agree. The Uniforms and Ship designs look amazing.
@@itz_ex0_279 you can now determine who's who, since the original kinds have similar ship designs and the uniforms are all black for both sides now that the free planets have blue uniforms they kinda look now like the good guys
@@austrone8586 on top of that, it’s pretty easy to distinguish rank amongst those in the Empire now. Where the original had the chest pieces and such, I feel like having different types of uniforms for Flag and Junior Officers makes it much easier to tell the characters in the Galactic Empire apart.
2:17 This shot over there did kinda remind the old Alliance ships designs. Especially the flagships of the Alliance.
Nnot a huge fan of the ships, or Free planets uniforms, but I do like the new imperial pnes.
And that stupid admiral, his piece of unfinished pork chop and Lapp perished in Astarte...
If the surprise attack fails (just what the Gwomnotta Squadron exactly wanted) Hercheal's personal Fleet will open fire on its enemy fleet. They will literally do so. With Hercheal's permission might I add. If the correctly timed attack is delayed just a little. It could have tremendous consequences. Hercheal does not want that to happen and likely never will. If too much pressure is stacked against hercheal and will still agrees is likely overkill for the enemy fleet
They should be using a lot more of that “armor-piercing” ammo. It seemed to really wreck those Alliance ships very easily. At least when compared to their normal guns.
Because their neutron particle cannons has effective range in light seconds (on-screen in the original OVA put its effective range at 20 light second!) and hit almost instantly. AP ammo are basically mass driver with velocity of the fraction of light speed (5% of light speed, to quote the old OVA) which is inaccurate beyond 1 light second range due giving enemy plenty of time to detect it coming and move out of the way. So the only time they'd use one is when they close the distance to below light second range to make it more accurate.
machaiping Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. It’s my first time getting into this series so I guess it is tough for me to judge distance and what is really going on in the battles.
To be accurate, their battle distance is measuredin light seconds
The shells fired from their neutron particle guns have a range of light seconds and shell speed is close to the speed of light, and as long as the generator is running, they can constantly fire, sovthe chance of hitting the target is quite high
Yet the AP shells or missle is far slower, so by the time it reaches the target, they will be long gone
So its only effective in short range
The number of shells each ship can carry is limited as well
it only happened because the idiot took the bridge out in the open, also only because their range is very close
@@tukangiseng No. It happened because he fought the battle wrong. His XO actually had the right idea as it would allowed them to continue moving as a cohesive force and maintain distance.
この戦いってラインハルトの優秀さを証明するものではなく、同盟諸将が無能過ぎることを証明している。同盟諸将が普通レベルであれば戦力を三つに分散せずに集中させていたはず。同盟が戦力を集中させていた場合、ラインハルトはこの戦いで戦死していたんじゃないかな。そうなるとシュターデン中将の進言は非常に的を射ている。
まあ同盟が戦力集中してたならラインハルトは戦わないか、それとも分散するように逃げてたと思う
結論:どちらにしても同盟軍アホ
同盟的第二、第四、第六艦隊司令官都腦袋壞掉了
ここ、藤崎竜先生版だと、トリューニヒトが政治宣伝の為にダゴン会戦を再現させようとしてたってなってたな
集中させてたなら戦わないでしょ。後でヤンが言ってるけど奇術に近いって。
まぁ戦果を挙げた優秀な将官はイゼルローン要塞の奪還を命じられちゃうからなぁ...
To be fair, surrender to the Empire means Enserfment.
Still better than death
@@deanmthomson FPA soldiers don't know that, or don't trust that. They have 150 years of Imperial actions to cite.
@@camaradearthur3531 Debatable
Maybe to Goldenbaum Galactic Empire
But Goldenlöwe is better option
Better than a humiliating defeat, and loss of a chance to try again one day in the future
ラップはここでも上司に恵まれなかったか…
一番タチが悪いのは優秀な敵では無く無能な指揮官だって事やね❕
撃破される前にムーア提督の指示でシールド出力最大で展開したのに戦艦ペルガンモンが撃破されてしまったあたり、銀英伝DNTのシールドは光学系は無効化出来ても実体弾は無効化出来ないのだろうか。
ビーム防御中性磁場って名前なのでビームだけかもしれませんね
敵がミサイルを撃ってきた時もシールドではなく囮ミサイルを散布して回避していましたし
That admiral kinda reminds me of the IJN admirals who did stupid things like go down with their ships and doing suicidal charges in the name of honor, getting their men killed and fucking up Japan's strategy in the process. Except here it sucks even more since it's the good guys' (by comparison) commanders who do those dumb things.
The entire point of the anime is showing there are no good guys or bad guys, but yeah the Alliance commanders are really stupid lol
@@mariogarciaperez7211 Well yeah, the Alliance sucks, but I still think it's not as bad as the Empire. I prefer a flawed democracy over an authoritarian monarchy.
The alliance have two good commander vs the entire reinhard’s squad who have killed most of the bad commnader during the CW
@@mariogarciaperez7211 An entire season is a guy who somehow made it to commodore throwing the lives of like 8 fleets and I can't even count how many people.
@@joshuadelafuent3 around 20 million (in the old ova at least), I believe.
メルカッツ提督！
渋いです。
Still don't understand on why the ships don't have turrets.
They wouldn't be that restricted in returning fire.
When your effective range needs to be measured in light seconds, it's probably really important to have long cannons so that you can actually hit what you're aiming at.
I'm pretty sure the ships do have turrents but they're only for small fighter craft since those come in close, they wouldn't work so well in long range combat.
poppyface Thanks for telling me.
This style of warfare ain't unheard of, it's essentially their way of fighting as they've already found ways to hit ships from afar without really missing those shots.
@@bargainbin6162 Technically the guns have about 30 degrees of movement, however they're spinally mounted and meant to fire at targets more or less directly in front of them. On top of that because of how the Void Combat is having turrets ala Space Battleship Yamato or even like in Battlefleet Gothic is just sinking (pun) cost where it doesn't need to be. The Ships are inevitably going to get sunk or seriously damaged with a direct hit at "Close" range so having a turret would mean yet another thing to build and add onto the ship or to repair when a ship gets a glancing blow.
Because turret based that fired in far distance is expensive, required high maintenance and manpower, so making it fixed and let your ship engine as your solution and hull as protection is cheap and efficient (plus the weapon itself is already insanely accurate and has sort of wide angle firing)
This BGM leaves a lot to be desired.
They fight in space, where 3D movement is easy and completely possible, yet all they do is move in a 2d dimension, and all their shieldings and weapons are on the front of their ships?
They usually fight at distances measured in lightseconds. At that distance, the Z-axis doesn't really matter as much as even a single degree up or down can result in a massive overshot from their target. Same reason why the majority of there weapons are at the front though shielding is actually all around. It's just that the weapons are way too powerful for their shields. Also, remember that each fleet on average has around 10-15,000 ships PER fleet. The ships are spaced quite evenly on all sides not just on one plane. Since there are so many ships, when moving together, the sheer size of the fleets makes their movement look 2D on depictions.
They do move in 3D! This is, in fact, the only sci-fi I've ever seen where they move in 3D. There are weapons on the sides (you even see them later in the episode) and the shields are in front because that's where most of the fire comes from. Watch the rest of the series, it's great, and the tactics are the best in sci-fi. If you like sci-fi, you won't regret watching the whole series.
Having a completely forward-facing main battery (for line-of-sight weapons at least) and forward concentration of armor is how you get the greatest effect out of your weight capacity. It's for the same reason that most modern tanks put like 75% of their armor to the front; to achieve that level of protection everywhere would require such a weight of armor that you'd take a completely unacceptable hit to mobility.
@@Memphismastermind They fight in space though, why does weight capacity factor into it?
@@chazz30000 fuel consumption. the heavier something is, the harder it is to propel, even in low to zero friction environments.
Can someone recommend me some anime related to this space battles with ship and not mecha
I would recommend the original anime, Legend of Galactic Heroes. The anime in the video is a reboot and it’s ok but. it doesn’t come close to the original imo.
Space Battleship Yamato. Albeit the first season doesn’t have much fleet battle, mostly one ship vs all enemy in the most desperate situation, the other later seasons saw some bigger actions. Highly recommend to start with the remake, just search Space Battleship Yamato 2199.
How about "Crest of the Stars"
A lot of the series really is just really incompetent admirals disregarding the advice of their adjutants lol. All the lives that could of been saved.
it this anime called Legend of the Galactic heroes?
Yes
To be accurate, it is
" The Legend of Galactic Heroes Die Neue These"
"The Legend of Galactic Heroes"
only usually stands for the original version
I thought my phone was ringing
ペルガモン…アッタロス朝ペルガモンの名前をとったのかな…
Admiral merkatz is a goat
What stops aliens from joining this fight?
エイリアンがこの戰いに加わるのを阻止するものは何ですか？
That there are none in this show?
Dude in a way, they're aliens. Aliens are just lifeforms outside of your planet. And there's multiple planets. They consider planets like countries so there you go.
I can imagine the Klingons or the Dominion jumping in on this.
Because Humanity only colonised one arm (that being the Sagittarius arm) of a cluster of stars it's very likely that Aliens either aren't aware of Humanity or are only observing them from an obscenely long distance. possibly even in the future, because of how time dilation works.
Cuz the necrons are still asleep and the eldar is killing eachother
牟田口廉也中将
Это то, что вы называете командной работой.
やっぱりなんか人間や戦いというものを描けてない感じがぬぐえないなあ。
this title best fights just belies the whole point of the fights in the series, they were displays of stupidity and incompetence never glorified
亜空間では火の粉の爆発は出ません。
言っちゃダメ(笑)
まあ地味すぎたらアレやから...w
物理法則に忠実であるより、リアリティを感じられる映像であるかが大事なのよ。
SFにそれは野暮でしょ
Takim çalışması dediğin böyle olur.
İkizler burcu olduğumu belli etmeyeyim.
Pfft...the yamato can destroy them all!!!
It can also be destroyed by all of them before you even know they are there.
The admiral = shinzo abe
The old version had way better music, Mahler etc was so dope during these battles
これって何を撃ってるの？実体弾？
光線兵器のない世界観にしたの？
いえ、帝国・同盟両軍の主砲が撃ち合っているのは中性子ビーム砲です
もちろん動画終盤でレールガンを使って発射された徹甲散弾やこの動画には登場しませんがミサイルのような実体弾も装備しています
ブリッジが穏顕式とか要らんギミックは止めてほしかったな。
石黒版は船体無いには無いけど、そういう雰囲気はあったから。
爆発演出も、何時になったら大気内爆発から脱却できるのか。特にGUNDUM originは酷かった。
石黒版に比べて、艦艇が接近し過ぎ、後方へブラストを噴射しているはずなのに、前後の距離を取っていないところなど、リアリティに欠ける。
別に爆発がどうだろうがよくね？地味すぎるのはアレだしアニメなんだからリアルの物理法則やら現象やらに必ずしも忠実である必要はない。必要なのは人の心を掴めるかとかしっかりしたストーリー性とかでは？
ただブラストの件はまあアレだけど
石黒版だと、パトロクロスやクホリンの被弾シーンで、ブリッジの外部映像が映らなくなって「ヤバい」と思った瞬間には大ダメージを受けているんだよな。
チェックメイト
一年前のにレスｗ。 日本語喋ってる時点でリアリティはないでしょｗ
確かに、宇宙空間での戦闘規模で、艦艇同士が近すぎるな～って思ってた。
This is why you don't mount all your weapons on the bow of your ship...
Chaos Knight Man if only they had turrets and more competent commanders, the FPA wouldn't be such a joke.
@@bargainbin6162 that depends on the size of the weapon system, there is no point of having a turret if the barrel makes up 1/4 of the length of your ship. because then that turret will be atrociously large and if you were caught on the side in the first place, you've already fked up.
They have to do that. They fight in distances measured in light seconds so to achieve better precision the guns must have the longest barrels possible, hence the location on the bow. Also, the sizes of the fleets(tens of thousands) elliminates any need for turrets as formations can be adopted to defend. They do have short range missiles for small fighter craft though.
The old anime is a lot better than this generic remake.
Nah. And it's not a remake. This is a newer and closer adaptiation of the original novels that the old OVAs were also based on.