Thanks for the great video! Rgyalrongist here. Just commenting to say that the shapes of the Kingdoms of 四土 (Rdzong-'gag, Cog-tse, So-mang and 党坝) are not entirely accurate. In 草登乡, 康山乡 and 日部乡 (the Stod-pa region), everything North and East to the Jiaomuzu river belongs to Cogtse, while everything South and West belongs to Rdzong-'gag. 龙尔甲乡, 大藏乡 and 沙尔宗乡 entirely belong to Cogtse, while 脚木足乡 belongs to Rdzong-'gag. The Kingdom of 党坝 is a tiny place that consists entirely of 党坝乡.
Thank you for your feedback! I tried my best to gather information for this video, but I'm an amateur and it was inevitable there would be mistakes. I'll try to include this information in future videos.
Insane, still agressively ambitious! Tibet is a sensitive topic, Whatever kinds of splitting nationalism shall not be accepted by 1.4 billion Chinese people.
@@Tommy-wy8xp like some lines ripped right from the state media broadcasting draft. why don’t you ask Tibetan people what they want? What does tibet have to do with 1.4 billion Chinese? Ridiculous
Mapping the Syrian civil war is easier because we have modern hour by hour reports of everything going on thanks to the internet. Almost every current event is certaily documented. 100 year ago people weren't that worried about information. There are military, political and religous records but not at the same level of detail and accessibility as we have today.
@@gengwang8543 "All Dali Lamas were conferred by the Chinese emperors in Qing Dynasty" How could the Qing Dynasty have conferred the title of 'Dali' Lama when they didn't even set foot in Tibet until the 7th Dalai Lama was around? According to you, did they also confer the title to the prior six as well? Although the two cultures blended significantly, you know the Qing were a Manchurian regime, not a Chinese one, right? The third Dalai Lama was conferred the title by the Mongol lord Altai Khan, and his two predecessors were given the title post-posthumously at the same time by the Mongol. The fourth, Great fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth were all found by Tibetans alone. The tenth and twelfth were already chosen by the elaborate Tibetan tradition of discovering the tulku, and the golden urn used to symbolize Qing secular power was used ceremonially. Only the eleventh was chosen by the golden urn, which could count as a Manchurian chosen Dalai Lama, but not a Chinese chosen Dalai Lama as the Qing were Manchurians who occupied both China and Tibet. The Great thirteenth and the Great fourteenth (the current) Dalai Lamas were also chosen only by Tibetans. Please elaborate how "all Dali Lamas were conferred by the Chinese emperors in Qing Dynasty".
@@gengwang8543 Manchuria today no longer exists as a separate culture, because when they controlled the Qing Dynasty and ruled China, Tibet, Mongolia, and other parts of Asia, the Manchurian government forced cultural mixing with China. Laws forcing Chinese people to wear the long tail of hair, a Manchu custom, are common knowledge. But at that time and era, Manchuria and China were observed as distinct entities. Even Sun Yat-Sen, nicknamed Father of Modern China by the Taiwanese, and who established the ROC over the fallen Qing Empire in 1911, stated famously that China had been occupied completely by foreign invaders *twice*. First, the Mongolian government of the Yuan Empire and the directly preceding Mongolian Empire of Genghis Khan himself. They forced some cultural exchange but the dynasty only lasted about a century, and Mongols are still distinct Central Asians today. Second, the Manchurian government of the Qing Empire. This proves that prior to Communist Chinese revisionism post-1949, the Manchurians were seen as a totally separate people from the Chinese. Observing Chinese Communist attempts since 1949 at forcing Tibet, East Turkestan, and South Mongolia to become true blue Chinese in all aspects of culture, I have no doubt that Manchurians are basically Chinese in this day and age though. The Manchurian identity is extinct.
Edit: I have listed my sources in the description. I tried to list all of them, but I may have forgotten a few. The second soundtrack is "Movement Proposition", please forgive me for forgetting that. Also this has the equivalent of something like 15 normal videos of research put into it (and even by sheer number of frames it's the largest video I've yet made with 5534), and it's probably not going to get more than 10k views so from that perspective you could say it wasn't worth it, and writing this comment as someone who hasn't slept in two days because I was busy increasing my "how many videomapping frames can you make in a day" record to 1479, I do sort of feel like that But this topic needed a video on it really badly and I also needed a personal reference on it really badly so here we are
Take rest there mate, you've done a great job educating your viewers and me. I really appreciate your hard work but if you ever feel tired, just take a break for a while
太守苏定交趾 maybe let’s just se what happens in the future every country has its problems to me though some are more important than others (no offense to any one reading this just saying what’s in my head)
12:23 Nice detail. On most maps, the Qinghai-Tibet border still appears in its 1961 form. In the aftermath of a heavy snowstorm in Tibet in 1962, the Chinese government made Qinghai province "lease" 5% of its territory permanently to Tibet, and settled thousands of Tibetans there.
Some of the choices made in the video are not entirely correct, but to make the video author obviously had to stop at certain point and pick a color for a certain date: * It says Aksai Chin was under Tibet influence at 1900. This is incorrect. The northern portion should be under the influence of Kashgar/Hotan due to jade mining and herding. (I am talking about the color not the border, border demarcation is a separate more complicated story.) * There were Indian expeditions into Aksai Chin during the 1950s before China reaffirm control of Tibet. This is missing.
@@biggusballuz5405 - And viceversa. Should then we deny the existence of Chinese history and call it "Tibetan history" instead? "Mongol history", "World history"? That's not respectful and we won't "get over it", which is exactly the same fallacious argument imperialists and racists of all corners of the world use to impose their violent oppression.
@@LuisAldamiz What a dumb reverse analogy. No one denies that the Yuan dynasty is part of Mongolian history, but it is definitely more of Chinese history seeing how Kublai Khan officially decided to sinicise the Mongol empire and ascended the throne as a Chinese emperor and officially crowned the empire as a Chinese dynasty that is the successor of previous Chinese dynasties. No one also denies that Chinese history is part of world history, nor is it denying that Chinese culture exist if one says Chinese history is part of world history, because it is. Tibet has been a part of China since the Yuan, hence Tibetan history has from then on become a part of Chinese history, even during its "independence", it was still thoroughly in the Sinosphere in terms of geopolitics and history. So is Chinese history a part of Tibetan history? Sure is, because Tibet is under China and have a shared history of 700 years. What's so hard to grasp about that? In fact, Tibetan history is part of Mongolian history and vice versa as well, nothing wrong with that. You are arguing against an unmovable fact, Tibet has been part of China for 700 years, Tibetan history for the past 700 years is thus part of Chinese national history, how is that wrong? So once again, get over it.
I randomly searched up one of enteties that were showed on the map (sokwo arik), and the only paper I found about those people that contained more than a few lines of information, was a missonary website. These people live in such obscure regions that they dont even have a wikipedia page. I can't even imagine how much time and effort the creator put into this masterpiece. Greetings from Poland
I think it is because it breaks the notion that there was a unified independent Tibet from 1912 to 1951. As we can see, Tibet barely have control over much of "Tibet", they were mostly made up of independent states that were under Tibetan vassalage or some vast inhabitable areas barely populated by tribes. We can also see several Tibetan entities that were tributaries/vassalage of the Chinese (Qing, ROC and warlords) and that most of the battles were between the overlords and not against the aforementioned vassals, meaning that those vassals probably just agreed to both Chinese and Tibetan suzerainty. Ironically this map also showed that Lhasa probably even have lesser control over Tibet than the Qing had in the earlier years.
The attention to detail and research... It is just frightening... I can go on and Controversially say you are the best mapper, but I don't want to spoil your unorthodox amount of talent... It is truly fascinating. Love from Egypt.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expedition_to_Tibet_(1910) After the British expedition to Tibet in 1904 and the Sino-British treaty in 1906, the Qing sent the 1910 expedition to Tibet to assert full control. As Professor Dawa Norbu stated, the British expedition and Treaty of Lhasa forced China to establish firm military control over Tibet. Afterwards, the Dalai Lama then fled to India. One year later, Chinese revolution begins.
Sichuan was once the most populated province in China, and it was REALLY BIG. However, in the 1990s, the Chinese government decided to seperate Chongqing city (and some other counties nearby) from Sichuan porvince, which makes the latter become smaller and less populated.
@@RomMLTNo, it's just that the country's name was not yet determined, so it was first called Han. The meaning of Chinese dynasties is different from that of foreign countries. For example, the Habsburg dynasty was established by the Habsburg family, but the Song dynasty was established by both the Liu and Zhao families in China, as well as by the Shang dynasty. Yan Xishan is not an emperor, but he will be called Jin, and the names of Chinese dynasties have regional connotations.
This video also explained the territorial disputes between India and China. UK drew the Macmahon Line inside Tibet. Date back to 1940s, UK captured South Tibet, India became a country in 1947, then India continue to capture South Tibet. India cancelled Kashmir autonomy in 2019. Tibet has been an autonomous region of China for hundreds of years. All Dali Lamas were conferred by the Chinese emperors in Qing Dynasty.
Well worth the wait. What's the story behind those Bhutanese holdings in Tibet? I never knew Bhutan even controlled anything beyond its main boundaries.
@Milo Teshi - Because they are irrationally imperialistic. In good logic India and China should be best friends because any war between them is doomed to be a total frostbite fiasco and whatever hypothetical gains by either side not worth the effort, but I guess it is convenient to rally the ultra-nationalist jerks at either side of the border and that way sideline the real problems inside each mega-country.
One of the reasons Bhutan doesn't recognize CCP's government as legitimate is because in the Chinese Civil War, when the communists invaded and annexed Tibet, they took those exclaves too, angering Bhutan.
Amazing piece of work. Tibetan history during this period is very oversimplified and overlooked, thank you for showing us all that isn't the case in the slightest.
Politics in 1930s is very different from now - like so much stuff has changed, so many views have changed. That's like saying Germany is still bad in the modern day because of the horrible atrocities they did in the 1930s
Epic video as always, Yan! PD: How did Bhutan end up with those territories in the middle of Tibet? Afaik, it's not like Bhutan ever owned all of Tibet, but I might be wrong lol
@@太守苏定交趾 Chinese Capitalist Party is best for 赵家人 (a mock to bureaucrats, capitalists and all parasites), not we proletariat 韭菜 (chives, self mockery to the mass population), though.
@@tylerbozinovski4624 Why do you call everyone that loves China "Wumao" you dont know if their getting paid or not, so please dont be quick in calling someone wumao. Just saying, no sides have the truth.
@Kyu Danpi there were a lot of warlords in China at that time.but there is only One CCP in China.that is a important reason CCP can unite all the places.
That was to try to re-consolidate power and influence in Tibet. For centuries, Tibet had largely been left alone with a few Manchurian officials known as Ambans that were largely ceremonial ever since the Qing expelled the Dzungars from Tibet. The Tibetans were essentially independent and chose their most of their own Dalai Lamas and governed their own internal affairs for quite a long time, and basically danced on the border of true independence (like modern France for example, or any other country) versus genuine autonomy (like Hong Kong prior to July this year). But in the latter half of the 19th century, Nepal would invade Tibet and loot monasteries, making Tibet call the Qing government to help militarily and expel the Nepalis. After this the Qing saw leaving Tibet unattended and essentially independent could be a liability, and they sent the army under General Zhao Erfung to Lhasa. On the way, he looted and burned monasteries in East Tibet and killed local Tibetan civilians to create "living space" for Han Chinese in the future, earning him the nickname "Zhao the Butcher". The 13th Dalai Lama escaped to British India for about two years when the Qing empire capitulated. The local Tibetans immediately overthrew the Ambans and the Qing military, and escorted them out of Tibet peacefully. The 13th Dalai Lama returned to great celebration by all Tibetans, and he penned the Tibetan Declaration of Independence, where he cites "Chinese attempts at colonizing East Tibet" which violated the equal priest-patron relationship with Tibet and the Qing. It's a very rich but obscure history.
@@Jahtso Because the British want claim Tibet from Qing empire and Dalai collaborate with the British for his own political ambitions. They provoke Qing goverment with boarder skirmishes near Sichuan province. Tibet is not independent from Qing empire after all, if you rebel you gonna face consequences. What Qing government want to do is "Gaitu guiliu", essentially revoke the status of semi-independence chieftain and make the place under direct control of the civil government. Of course there's bloodshed, but not for the reason you claim to be.
I am watching this great video to be informed about the situation between years 1900-1936, and everything in the map seems to piece correctly but one thing, were Ma Qi and Ma Anliang really independnent before 1910?
Hello, lately I've been interested in the history of Tibet and its surrounding areas. Although, information on the internet seems rather scarce, as it usually is for the warlord era of China. That said, I've been trying to find sources regarding the Tibetan-Indian border dispute, like those in Aksai Chin and Tawang/Arunchal Pradesh; could you recommend some?
The Great Han military government was established during the Xinhai Revolution in Chengdu. After absorbing the Shu regime in Chongqing it became the regular Sichuan provincial government under the Republic of China.
So Tibet at that time was literally another Holy Roman Empire? Interesting. Do the whole China with all those tiny warring and tributary States shown if you can because I want to know more about them. Keep up your great work!
Tibet at the time was more like a cross between first reich Germany (HRE) and second reich Germany (the unified nationalist state). The western half of Tibet was strongly dominated by Lhasa. This is commonly known as "Tibet" to most people, it was founded by the 13th Dalai Lama after being in-exile in British India where he learnt about modern nationalism and realized how badly behind Tibet was on the world stage (www.darjeeling-unlimited.com/declaration.html ). Like the German and Italian nationalist movements, he endeavored to unify his divided people under a common banner. Conversely, a lot of the eastern half of Tibet wasn't directly administrated by Lhasa. It was made up geopolitically of Eastern Tibetans who had their own kingdoms and tribal territories and non-Tibetans like the muslim warlord Ma who were backed by the ROC. The pettier Tibetan states here bowed to the Dalai Lama honorifically but maintained their autonomies, similar to the HRE. I am personally from Dege, which was a kingdom in eastern Tibet at this time.
@@Jahtso I think Dege had its own system of government before annexation by the CCP. The 13th Dalai Lama defeated them in the 1st Sino-Tibetan war and secured its rule in Dege and some parts of Kham such as Chamdo.
The Ching Empire never sent a "governor" there. They sent ambasa, and ambasa didn't directly administer Tibet alone. The ambasa were nowhere as powerful as contemporary actual governors from western empires, say, Hongkong governors. At the very least, an amban held no power in issuing their own currency as an alternative to both imperial Chinese and Tibetan currencies.
@@CannibaLouiST Do the Chinese ambassador in your country has the power to supervise administration like selecting the new monarch? If so, I really wish they keep doing so :\ Joke aside, about the position of Tibet, please refer to the Convention Between Great Britain and China Respecting Tibet (1906) or the previous convention signed in 1890. Both original documents are still stored by the Republic of China BTW. Please do not misunderstand the difference between tributaries and self autonomous region. For example in the video, both Nepal and Tibet were marked as tributaries. However, the Qing dynasty never sent any form of officials to Nepal, never sent any help when war broke out with the British and never signed anything with the British as representatives. You see the difference here?
You’ve done an insanely amount of research. However, I think to better convey those, you can also append the name/identifier of events happened at the time, could also add name of major event happening outside the area as well. This way it will be much more friendly to people like me who only have a rough idea of what things are like.
Tibetans don't have a unified government, and there are many divided Tibetan areas, like some kingdoms,The three major Tibetan areas in China are Ü-Tsang, Kham and Amdo, now theTibet Autonomous Region is Basically just includes Ü-Tsang, many other Tibetans living in other Tibetan autonomous regions.
depending on what "Tibet"you are talking about the answer varies.The one reigm over all Tibetan platue never existed after the fall of Tibetan Empire in the 9th century.The Tibet under rule of Dalia lama in 20th century is mostly the same as TAR, while other part (Amdo and Kham region)was ruled by warlords and local lords .
@John Wick when someone say you are imperialist .. You should not be proud on this adverb .. You should remember nanking massacres done by another imperialist japan .. Every imperialist loose at some point .. You will see that in near future .. #free_tibbet as soon as possible .. We are coming for Xinjiang too
Yan Xishan 閻錫山 My longest mapping video was 2400 slides that must have taken so long for you to make. You are an excellent mapper, your efforts show in this and all your videos! I watched your ww1 videos and will credit them in my video once it comes out!
Very very interesting, congrats. I wonder what the Chinese of today are thinking of the Manchus. They may have eventually declined technologically, becoming powerless in the face of Western and Japanese attack, but from what I have found on the Internet, it was the Manchus who gave China its current shape by almost doubling the territory with the conquest of both Tibet and Xinjiang. Are Manchus today like Tibetans and Uyghurs in demanding independence or do they support the Communist Party?
Manchus are actually the most fanatical supporters of the Communist Party, because they were persecuted by both Warlords and KMT between 1912 and 1949. And the Communist Party also supports them, in funding their various cultural activities and giving them jobs in government. The Communists are very relaxed in this, because Manchus don't have a separatist movement and no foreign state to claim them as "brothers". Although Japan created the puppet "Manchukuo" state in 1930s, most Manchus were pro-Communist, even then.
Well, it’s more like a love/hate relationship. Manchus weren’t massively murdered after the nationalist’s revolution and some of the ethnic Manchus hold important positions in government or Movie industry. Some of them just live like Han people by their own choice and some of them are born from ‘inter-ethnic’ parents. Han Chauvinist still hate Manchus but compared to Tibetans, Manchus and Han people are rather similar rather than different, unlike Latin Americans and White Anglo-Saxons.
Yvonne Archer If you believe in what those American media‘s saying you are sorta brainwashed by the American Government too. It's not a new thing about the government controlling the media. All the government are doing the same thing.
Tibet to China is just like Britanny to France, Bavaria to Germany, Siberia to Russia, etc. It's the trend of history and there's no need for grievance.
@@VishuK-t8fSagya Sect it is a monastic polity that used to administer Tibet for the Yuan Dynasty but lost control despite this it existed as a polity until the annexation by PRC it was not a puppet of Britain it was an independent polity also it had vassals but they are not included in the video
even Tibet is poor due to location, but Tibet GDP per capital is higher than richest Indian state Goa, but Indians want to free Tibet?? they'd better free South Tibet first.
@JAITRA SAI when people said 'rich', standard is GDP per capita, can I say India is richer than UAE, right?en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP_per_capita
@Dragon Knight can you recommend some Tibetan RUclipsr in South Tibet? people don't know what Tibetan life is like in South Tibet, I heard Indian blocked foreigners from entering Arunachal Pradesh .
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Thanks for the great video! Rgyalrongist here. Just commenting to say that the shapes of the Kingdoms of 四土 (Rdzong-'gag, Cog-tse, So-mang and 党坝) are not entirely accurate. In 草登乡, 康山乡 and 日部乡 (the Stod-pa region), everything North and East to the Jiaomuzu river belongs to Cogtse, while everything South and West belongs to Rdzong-'gag. 龙尔甲乡, 大藏乡 and 沙尔宗乡 entirely belong to Cogtse, while 脚木足乡 belongs to Rdzong-'gag. The Kingdom of 党坝 is a tiny place that consists entirely of 党坝乡.
Thank you for your feedback! I tried my best to gather information for this video, but I'm an amateur and it was inevitable there would be mistakes. I'll try to include this information in future videos.
@@yanxishan6575 How in the world are you an amateur, you are one of the best and most detailed mappers ever!
@@yanxishan6575 Sources list?
@@muskratlover9994 His Chinese sources on Tibetan history?
@@Jahtso What’s the problem about using the Chinese Wikipedia?
The amount of details you put into this is just....unbelievably insane
No name account
This video has more than 5,500 slides!
Insane, still agressively ambitious! Tibet is a sensitive topic, Whatever kinds of splitting nationalism shall not be accepted by 1.4 billion Chinese people.
@@Tommy-wy8xp like some lines ripped right from the state media broadcasting draft. why don’t you ask Tibetan people what they want? What does tibet have to do with 1.4 billion Chinese? Ridiculous
This makes mapping the Syrian civil war look like cake
And it's done by a one person.
@Devon Rowell nah, we should ask him if he made a Q&A.
Mapping the Syrian civil war is easier because we have modern hour by hour reports of everything going on thanks to the internet. Almost every current event is certaily documented. 100 year ago people weren't that worried about information. There are military, political and religous records but not at the same level of detail and accessibility as we have today.
@@gengwang8543 "All Dali Lamas were conferred by the Chinese emperors in Qing Dynasty" How could the Qing Dynasty have conferred the title of 'Dali' Lama when they didn't even set foot in Tibet until the 7th Dalai Lama was around? According to you, did they also confer the title to the prior six as well? Although the two cultures blended significantly, you know the Qing were a Manchurian regime, not a Chinese one, right?
The third Dalai Lama was conferred the title by the Mongol lord Altai Khan, and his two predecessors were given the title post-posthumously at the same time by the Mongol. The fourth, Great fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth were all found by Tibetans alone. The tenth and twelfth were already chosen by the elaborate Tibetan tradition of discovering the tulku, and the golden urn used to symbolize Qing secular power was used ceremonially. Only the eleventh was chosen by the golden urn, which could count as a Manchurian chosen Dalai Lama, but not a Chinese chosen Dalai Lama as the Qing were Manchurians who occupied both China and Tibet. The Great thirteenth and the Great fourteenth (the current) Dalai Lamas were also chosen only by Tibetans.
Please elaborate how "all Dali Lamas were conferred by the Chinese emperors in Qing Dynasty".
@@gengwang8543 Manchuria today no longer exists as a separate culture, because when they controlled the Qing Dynasty and ruled China, Tibet, Mongolia, and other parts of Asia, the Manchurian government forced cultural mixing with China. Laws forcing Chinese people to wear the long tail of hair, a Manchu custom, are common knowledge. But at that time and era, Manchuria and China were observed as distinct entities. Even Sun Yat-Sen, nicknamed Father of Modern China by the Taiwanese, and who established the ROC over the fallen Qing Empire in 1911, stated famously that China had been occupied completely by foreign invaders *twice*. First, the Mongolian government of the Yuan Empire and the directly preceding Mongolian Empire of Genghis Khan himself. They forced some cultural exchange but the dynasty only lasted about a century, and Mongols are still distinct Central Asians today. Second, the Manchurian government of the Qing Empire. This proves that prior to Communist Chinese revisionism post-1949, the Manchurians were seen as a totally separate people from the Chinese. Observing Chinese Communist attempts since 1949 at forcing Tibet, East Turkestan, and South Mongolia to become true blue Chinese in all aspects of culture, I have no doubt that Manchurians are basically Chinese in this day and age though. The Manchurian identity is extinct.
Edit: I have listed my sources in the description. I tried to list all of them, but I may have forgotten a few.
The second soundtrack is "Movement Proposition", please forgive me for forgetting that.
Also this has the equivalent of something like 15 normal videos of research put into it (and even by sheer number of frames it's the largest video I've yet made with 5534), and it's probably not going to get more than 10k views so from that perspective you could say it wasn't worth it, and writing this comment as someone who hasn't slept in two days because I was busy increasing my "how many videomapping frames can you make in a day" record to 1479, I do sort of feel like that
But this topic needed a video on it really badly and I also needed a personal reference on it really badly so here we are
Mate...you’re doing great, really, you are. Please stop if you don’t enjoy it, but your videos are amazing. I don’t want you to feel sad :(
I personally think you did a great job on this. It definitely wasn't a waste of time.
Take rest there mate, you've done a great job educating your viewers and me. I really appreciate your hard work but if you ever feel tired, just take a break for a while
I applaud you for all your hard work, you are the best mapper out there.
Thank you so much for this, it's amazing.
I’ve learned more about Tibet here than I ever thought I would. I love it.
Haha leaning about Tibet from Tibetan would be much better
All you learned is pack of lies, lies and lies.
Well done your maps are some of the best and most detailed I have seen, I appreciate your work and the efforts you put in it.
see， this video proves ccp is the best for China! But not so for the western imperialist! Haha!
太守苏定交趾 maybe let’s just se what happens in the future
every country has its problems to me though some are more important than others
(no offense to any one reading this just saying what’s in my head)
12:23 Nice detail.
On most maps, the Qinghai-Tibet border still appears in its 1961 form. In the aftermath of a heavy snowstorm in Tibet in 1962, the Chinese government made Qinghai province "lease" 5% of its territory permanently to Tibet, and settled thousands of Tibetans there.
even on most chinese maps too
even on google maps
@@LoggogGoogle Maps still shows it as the old 1961 border. (I checked.)
Wow~never heard of it before I thought the border on leaflet looked weird and this explains why
This video shows how exactly the Sino-indian border dispute came.
Haha 😂 I have the same thought
Some of the choices made in the video are not entirely correct, but to make the video author obviously had to stop at certain point and pick a color for a certain date:
* It says Aksai Chin was under Tibet influence at 1900. This is incorrect. The northern portion should be under the influence of Kashgar/Hotan due to jade mining and herding. (I am talking about the color not the border, border demarcation is a separate more complicated story.)
* There were Indian expeditions into Aksai Chin during the 1950s before China reaffirm control of Tibet. This is missing.
@@voidvector Aksai Chin has barely got to do with Tibet.
In the Eastern Sector only.
Arunachal Pradesh or then NEFA came under Indian jurisdiction in 1914. But this map didn't show that until 1940s.
Your videos are probably the most detailed and high-quality mapping videos on RUclips. I am legitimately glad I found this channel.
*video-mapping
Your contribution to the study of Chinese history is very major. This is really masterpiece
Shouldn't be "Tibetan history"?
You mean Tibetan History
Tibetan history has been a part of Chinese history for 700 years already. Get over it.
@@biggusballuz5405 - And viceversa. Should then we deny the existence of Chinese history and call it "Tibetan history" instead? "Mongol history", "World history"? That's not respectful and we won't "get over it", which is exactly the same fallacious argument imperialists and racists of all corners of the world use to impose their violent oppression.
@@LuisAldamiz What a dumb reverse analogy. No one denies that the Yuan dynasty is part of Mongolian history, but it is definitely more of Chinese history seeing how Kublai Khan officially decided to sinicise the Mongol empire and ascended the throne as a Chinese emperor and officially crowned the empire as a Chinese dynasty that is the successor of previous Chinese dynasties.
No one also denies that Chinese history is part of world history, nor is it denying that Chinese culture exist if one says Chinese history is part of world history, because it is.
Tibet has been a part of China since the Yuan, hence Tibetan history has from then on become a part of Chinese history, even during its "independence", it was still thoroughly in the Sinosphere in terms of geopolitics and history. So is Chinese history a part of Tibetan history? Sure is, because Tibet is under China and have a shared history of 700 years. What's so hard to grasp about that? In fact, Tibetan history is part of Mongolian history and vice versa as well, nothing wrong with that.
You are arguing against an unmovable fact, Tibet has been part of China for 700 years, Tibetan history for the past 700 years is thus part of Chinese national history, how is that wrong?
So once again, get over it.
I randomly searched up one of enteties that were showed on the map (sokwo arik), and the only paper I found about those people that contained more than a few lines of information, was a missonary website. These people live in such obscure regions that they dont even have a wikipedia page. I can't even imagine how much time and effort the creator put into this masterpiece. Greetings from Poland
This aged well, now the Sokwo Arik have their own wikipedia page
Yes bigger entities such as the ma barely even have any information
Your videos are a goldmine of information. Cheers from Greece, you're doing an amazing job.
The comments are much more tamed then I thought
true i thought there will be more arguments
I think it is because it breaks the notion that there was a unified independent Tibet from 1912 to 1951. As we can see, Tibet barely have control over much of "Tibet", they were mostly made up of independent states that were under Tibetan vassalage or some vast inhabitable areas barely populated by tribes. We can also see several Tibetan entities that were tributaries/vassalage of the Chinese (Qing, ROC and warlords) and that most of the battles were between the overlords and not against the aforementioned vassals, meaning that those vassals probably just agreed to both Chinese and Tibetan suzerainty.
Ironically this map also showed that Lhasa probably even have lesser control over Tibet than the Qing had in the earlier years.
Because nobody cares Tibet duh.
@@sunclonkt7839 too high too far and too sparsely populated...Indians do care though
@@エンエイネイ You're on Western internet website and westerns don't care Tibet or even exist as their own people, culture.
The best mapper on youtube is back!!!
The attention to detail and research... It is just frightening... I can go on and Controversially say you are the best mapper, but I don't want to spoil your unorthodox amount of talent... It is truly fascinating. Love from Egypt.
Imagine loading up your computer to color a map of Tibet and make details every day
Yes
I stayed up all night three times
@@yanxishan6575 It was worth it
up主真是伟大，那么多老资料都做出来了。
Long live youtuber Yan Xishan!
打倒四人帮！华国锋主席万岁！
@@anon20 投机分子华贼国锋为了权位勾结走资派发动政变。走资派是那么好相与的么？把支持主席路线的人都搞掉，你还能坚持主席路线吗？只有灰溜溜下台。
@@wushuaizhang4916 我坚持毛主席革命路线，对得起世界无广大无产阶级。打倒走资派！
oooo gang of four
不知道这位阎锡山是不是中国UP主
2:35
What if sichuan was... really big?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expedition_to_Tibet_(1910)
After the British expedition to Tibet in 1904 and the Sino-British treaty in 1906, the Qing sent the 1910 expedition to Tibet to assert full control. As Professor Dawa Norbu stated, the British expedition and Treaty of Lhasa forced China to establish firm military control over Tibet. Afterwards, the Dalai Lama then fled to India.
One year later, Chinese revolution begins.
which it is now
Sichuan was once the most populated province in China, and it was REALLY BIG. However, in the 1990s, the Chinese government decided to seperate Chongqing city (and some other counties nearby) from Sichuan porvince, which makes the latter become smaller and less populated.
3:09 i have a question, why Sichuan is named as "Great Han"? There was an imperial dynasty who wanted to take over during the revolution or something?
@@RomMLTNo, it's just that the country's name was not yet determined, so it was first called Han. The meaning of Chinese dynasties is different from that of foreign countries. For example, the Habsburg dynasty was established by the Habsburg family, but the Song dynasty was established by both the Liu and Zhao families in China, as well as by the Shang dynasty. Yan Xishan is not an emperor, but he will be called Jin, and the names of Chinese dynasties have regional connotations.
2:45 l o n g s i c h u a n
@@gengwang8543 What is the meaning behind stating things most of the people here knows?
@@emiriye i suppose it's for comedic effect. 21st century humour is very niche.
I am very, very impressed by your work.
Giving emperortigerstar a run for his money. The details you put in this are amazing.
Looks like the mapping god has done it again, great job dude!
*video-mapping
There is no question that you are one of the greatest mappers there is. Could you please make the Nader Wars every day?
they ain't a mapper, this channel is videomapping, just like tigerstar.
my fault
You really show how effort always pays off. This is an amazing video. Amazing job!
This video also explained the territorial disputes between India and China. UK drew the Macmahon Line inside Tibet. Date back to 1940s, UK captured South Tibet, India became a country in 1947, then India continue to capture South Tibet. India cancelled Kashmir autonomy in 2019. Tibet has been an autonomous region of China for hundreds of years. All Dali Lamas were conferred by the Chinese emperors in Qing Dynasty.
Well worth the wait. What's the story behind those Bhutanese holdings in Tibet? I never knew Bhutan even controlled anything beyond its main boundaries.
It's because they help sovereignty over several of the monasteries in those regions, due to several disputes and arguments over it they made a treaty.
Ah, thank you.
@@monocleluis1379 do you know the names of those monasteries or the treaty signed? Out of curiosity
@Milo Teshi - Because they are irrationally imperialistic. In good logic India and China should be best friends because any war between them is doomed to be a total frostbite fiasco and whatever hypothetical gains by either side not worth the effort, but I guess it is convenient to rally the ultra-nationalist jerks at either side of the border and that way sideline the real problems inside each mega-country.
@Milo Teshi I'm glad some Tibetan peoples were able to maintain their culture, language and human rights.
Holy mother lord. You had patience to do a day by day animation for 50+ years until stopping around 1953. That's impressive for sure.
I never knew Bhutan had exclaves inside Tibet. Great video!
Bhutan is under Tibet
@@user-Void-Star It isnt now , deal with it :)
Kelzang Dorji Bhutan was part of Tibet empire.
One of the reasons Bhutan doesn't recognize CCP's government as legitimate is because in the Chinese Civil War, when the communists invaded and annexed Tibet, they took those exclaves too, angering Bhutan.
@@zuboy4272get out of Tibet then Chinese colonist. Bhutan and Tibet knows their history and boundary
8:08 CCP is bypassing the anti-cheat system and teleporting around the map
I guess it was because the exact location of CCP was not precisely recorded during that period of Long March.
@@weiyixia599 It was all recorded precisely on the telegraph which is revealed long time ago.
@@weiyixia599 its because its in every month in this point in time
😅😅😅
@@weiyixia599 No, it's because it goes every month, so it is skipping forward every month.
I like the fact that you showed areas that have little/no government control, instead of having flat colours.
Amazing piece of work. Tibetan history during this period is very oversimplified and overlooked, thank you for showing us all that isn't the case in the slightest.
9:01 someone stole South Tibet and invaded Sikkim.These guys want us to be ‘free’? It's humiliating and disgusting.
Politics in 1930s is very different from now - like so much stuff has changed, so many views have changed. That's like saying Germany is still bad in the modern day because of the horrible atrocities they did in the 1930s
@@dodolulupepe FUCK INDIA
*British India Moment*
I just discovered this channel and it’s one of the GOATS up there with geography and space, oille bie, and emperor tigerstar.
YES
Incredibly detailed and in high quality, great work.
I give this a 1911 out of 1950.
NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
You continue to make the best mapping videos on RUclips, on topics noone has done yet
*video-mapping
Why. Don't you. Have. More. Subs.
Fuck you
Fuck you
jk
I love u bro
Great job!
Compliments for a tibetan!
Epic video as always, Yan!
PD: How did Bhutan end up with those territories in the middle of Tibet? Afaik, it's not like Bhutan ever owned all of Tibet, but I might be wrong lol
It seems that they were ceded to the Bhutanese by a Tibetan monarch in the 16th century
first video from a chinese who made a correct history video of Tibet.Thank you for that
Awsome video!
The effort and speed you put into these videos are mind boggling to me
1949: *CCP appears*
Tibet: Why do i hear boss music?
see， this video proves ccp is the best for China! But not so for the western imperialist! Haha!
@@太守苏定交趾 Chinese Capitalist Party is best for 赵家人 (a mock to bureaucrats, capitalists and all parasites), not we proletariat 韭菜 (chives, self mockery to the mass population), though.
@@太守苏定交趾 typical pinkies: crying at anyone who mentions China, even if people are putting it on the positive side of a meme.
@@太守苏定交趾 The CCP is the world's biggest imperialist today! Fuck off Wumao!
@@tylerbozinovski4624 Why do you call everyone that loves China "Wumao" you dont know if their getting paid or not, so please dont be quick in calling someone wumao. Just saying, no sides have the truth.
10:34 I'm really curious about that tiny red dot in the middle of the Tibetan plateau.
It's a city
9:37 why do I hear boss music?
Amazing work, greetings to you from Morocco 🇲🇦
Absolute masterpiece. I love it. I really do.
warlords: tries to take over tibet
ccp: noobs. my turn.
@big john " warlords is much more powerful than ccp's army " Really?
@@kyudanpi4436 in 1930s，yes.
@Kyu Danpi there were a lot of warlords in China at that time.but there is only One CCP in China.that is a important reason CCP can unite all the places.
british forced ceasefire but tibet got completely rekt
me: yeah this is just another mapping video, I can understand everything
me after the video: I cant understand nothing of this
This guy is soooo underrated
Qing: Literally getting screwed up by rebels and foreign armies, government collapsing.
Also Qing: Invades Tibet
In Qing government's eye, it's a rebel same as the happening in other parts of the country that needs to be supressed.
It has been a tributary.
Qing sent officials to Tibet for hundreds of years. Tibet has been an autonomous region of China for hundreds of years.
That was to try to re-consolidate power and influence in Tibet. For centuries, Tibet had largely been left alone with a few Manchurian officials known as Ambans that were largely ceremonial ever since the Qing expelled the Dzungars from Tibet. The Tibetans were essentially independent and chose their most of their own Dalai Lamas and governed their own internal affairs for quite a long time, and basically danced on the border of true independence (like modern France for example, or any other country) versus genuine autonomy (like Hong Kong prior to July this year). But in the latter half of the 19th century, Nepal would invade Tibet and loot monasteries, making Tibet call the Qing government to help militarily and expel the Nepalis. After this the Qing saw leaving Tibet unattended and essentially independent could be a liability, and they sent the army under General Zhao Erfung to Lhasa. On the way, he looted and burned monasteries in East Tibet and killed local Tibetan civilians to create "living space" for Han Chinese in the future, earning him the nickname "Zhao the Butcher". The 13th Dalai Lama escaped to British India for about two years when the Qing empire capitulated. The local Tibetans immediately overthrew the Ambans and the Qing military, and escorted them out of Tibet peacefully. The 13th Dalai Lama returned to great celebration by all Tibetans, and he penned the Tibetan Declaration of Independence, where he cites "Chinese attempts at colonizing East Tibet" which violated the equal priest-patron relationship with Tibet and the Qing.
It's a very rich but obscure history.
@@Jahtso Because the British want claim Tibet from Qing empire and Dalai collaborate with the British for his own political ambitions. They provoke Qing goverment with boarder skirmishes near Sichuan province. Tibet is not independent from Qing empire after all, if you rebel you gonna face consequences. What Qing government want to do is "Gaitu guiliu", essentially revoke the status of semi-independence chieftain and make the place under direct control of the civil government. Of course there's bloodshed, but not for the reason you claim to be.
The amount of detail is impressive on superhuman levels even
Didn't know Ma Bufang's force stayed in power in some regions as late as 1956.
I am watching this great video to be informed about the situation between years 1900-1936, and everything in the map seems to piece correctly but one thing, were Ma Qi and Ma Anliang really independnent before 1910?
Hello, lately I've been interested in the history of Tibet and its surrounding areas. Although, information on the internet seems rather scarce, as it usually is for the warlord era of China. That said, I've been trying to find sources regarding the Tibetan-Indian border dispute, like those in Aksai Chin and Tawang/Arunchal Pradesh; could you recommend some?
Great Job as usual !
Nice!
excellent work as always, keep up the good work!
Why did Sichuan first appear as "Great Han"? Did they declare themselves Han early and then got overthrown again or what?
The Great Han military government was established during the Xinhai Revolution in Chengdu. After absorbing the Shu regime in Chongqing it became the regular Sichuan provincial government under the Republic of China.
It's common in ancient China. They have to get legitimacy.
【大汉军】zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E6%BC%A2%E5%9B%9B%E5%B7%9D%E8%BB%8D%E6%94%BF%E5%BA%9C
清朝刚建国的时候，汉地十八行省相继宣告独立，随后又被北洋政府整合成了一个统一的国家。
A great animated map!
Kudos to you Yan Xishan.
Not, 1st, not last.
But in time to see this *masterpiece* early.
no one cares
That was intense! Epic work!
So Tibet at that time was literally another Holy Roman Empire? Interesting. Do the whole China with all those tiny warring and tributary States shown if you can because I want to know more about them. Keep up your great work!
Tibet at the time was more like a cross between first reich Germany (HRE) and second reich Germany (the unified nationalist state). The western half of Tibet was strongly dominated by Lhasa. This is commonly known as "Tibet" to most people, it was founded by the 13th Dalai Lama after being in-exile in British India where he learnt about modern nationalism and realized how badly behind Tibet was on the world stage (www.darjeeling-unlimited.com/declaration.html ). Like the German and Italian nationalist movements, he endeavored to unify his divided people under a common banner. Conversely, a lot of the eastern half of Tibet wasn't directly administrated by Lhasa. It was made up geopolitically of Eastern Tibetans who had their own kingdoms and tribal territories and non-Tibetans like the muslim warlord Ma who were backed by the ROC. The pettier Tibetan states here bowed to the Dalai Lama honorifically but maintained their autonomies, similar to the HRE. I am personally from Dege, which was a kingdom in eastern Tibet at this time.
@@Jahtso I think Dege had its own system of government before annexation by the CCP. The 13th Dalai Lama defeated them in the 1st Sino-Tibetan war and secured its rule in Dege and some parts of Kham such as Chamdo.
Very interesting work with many unknown details, and clear presentation!
Sources are not mentioned, but they were surely numerous.
whats with bhutan in western tibet?
They held sovereignty over a few monasteries in the region
Like Sikkim, Bhutan was just another Tibetan principality. It shouldn't be surprising to see it had several enclave holdings
@@gengwang8543 kahsmir is India's internal matter 🖕
Im very glad U-Tsang, Amdo, and Kham are included
True
What are the little exclaves of Bhutan northwest of Nepal?
Kingdom of Sikkim
Just out of curiosity how do you get ideas for your videos, is it just something that interested you at the time or is it something else?
The former usually.
你这个视频在中国大陆被搬运了，我们只能看到1949年，剩下的只能翻过来看
Great video, so detailed, best music, but only one question. Where you got the data from?
I don't think Tibet was a tributary under Qing. You don't send governors to tributaries under such system.
The Ching Empire never sent a "governor" there. They sent ambasa, and ambasa didn't directly administer Tibet alone. The ambasa were nowhere as powerful as contemporary actual governors from western empires, say, Hongkong governors. At the very least, an amban held no power in issuing their own currency as an alternative to both imperial Chinese and Tibetan currencies.
@@CannibaLouiST Do the Chinese ambassador in your country has the power to supervise administration like selecting the new monarch? If so, I really wish they keep doing so :\
Joke aside, about the position of Tibet, please refer to the Convention Between Great Britain and China Respecting Tibet (1906) or the previous convention signed in 1890. Both original documents are still stored by the Republic of China BTW.
Please do not misunderstand the difference between tributaries and self autonomous region. For example in the video, both Nepal and Tibet were marked as tributaries. However, the Qing dynasty never sent any form of officials to Nepal, never sent any help when war broke out with the British and never signed anything with the British as representatives. You see the difference here?
@@boyuzhang1051 Well, the video does require a lot of additional commentary. It's a lot of info to digest.
You read little, and you THINK, none sense.
@@boyuzhang1051 这叫朝贡体系。
How do you do all this research, where do you find all this?
I am tibetic balti from Pakistan
You indentify as Tibetan?? Good👍👍
You’ve done an insanely amount of research. However, I think to better convey those, you can also append the name/identifier of events happened at the time, could also add name of major event happening outside the area as well. This way it will be much more friendly to people like me who only have a rough idea of what things are like.
So Tibet was completely divided before being annex by China again in 1949?
Tibetans don't have a unified government, and there are many divided Tibetan areas, like some kingdoms,The three major Tibetan areas in China are Ü-Tsang, Kham and Amdo, now theTibet Autonomous Region is Basically just includes Ü-Tsang, many other Tibetans living in other Tibetan autonomous regions.
Tibet was never unified ever since after the Tang Dynasty.
depending on what "Tibet"you are talking about the answer varies.The one reigm over all Tibetan platue never existed after the fall of Tibetan Empire in the 9th century.The Tibet under rule of Dalia lama in 20th century is mostly the same as TAR, while other part (Amdo and Kham region)was ruled by warlords and local lords .
no
great job as always
I love how the ccp is just running around and then comes back way stronger than before
You deserve way more subs
"FREE TIBET!"
Me: Which Tibet?
秦始皇Qin ShiHuang me: tibet that is... PART OF CHINA! AHAHHAHA
Fucking imperialists!
@John Wick when someone say you are imperialist ..
You should not be proud on this adverb ..
You should remember nanking massacres done by another imperialist japan ..
Every imperialist loose at some point ..
You will see that in near future ..
#free_tibbet as soon as possible ..
We are coming for
Xinjiang too
@John Wick future will tell you buddy ..
What can we do ..
☺️
👍
We are not crying ..
We are preparing for this third world war ..
@John Wick at least 1-2 carode mad people like me are ready to die ..
Let's see how much gun powder china got to kill us 👍
Awesome work man, are you planning of a remake of the 2nd sino-japanese war?
what's up with the small Bhutan Bubbles?
Bhutanese Enclaves on Tibet before PRC illegally occupied Tibet.
It's AWESOME bro
How many slides did this take?
5534
Yan Xishan 閻錫山
My longest mapping video was 2400 slides that must have taken so long for you to make. You are an excellent mapper, your efforts show in this and all your videos! I watched your ww1 videos and will credit them in my video once it comes out!
@@fahoodie1852 Thank you! It actually took me about a week to animate this but it was very difficult.
Yan Xishan 閻錫山
A week? That’s so impressive!
牛逼啊，up主是阎锡山后人？
Very very interesting, congrats. I wonder what the Chinese of today are thinking of the Manchus. They may have eventually declined technologically, becoming powerless in the face of Western and Japanese attack, but from what I have found on the Internet, it was the Manchus who gave China its current shape by almost doubling the territory with the conquest of both Tibet and Xinjiang. Are Manchus today like Tibetans and Uyghurs in demanding independence or do they support the Communist Party?
They rarely state their racial identity and most of them, like Han Chinese, support the Communist Party.
Manchus are actually the most fanatical supporters of the Communist Party, because they were persecuted by both Warlords and KMT between 1912 and 1949. And the Communist Party also supports them, in funding their various cultural activities and giving them jobs in government. The Communists are very relaxed in this, because Manchus don't have a separatist movement and no foreign state to claim them as "brothers". Although Japan created the puppet "Manchukuo" state in 1930s, most Manchus were pro-Communist, even then.
Well, it’s more like a love/hate relationship. Manchus weren’t massively murdered after the nationalist’s revolution and some of the ethnic Manchus hold important positions in government or Movie industry. Some of them just live like Han people by their own choice and some of them are born from ‘inter-ethnic’ parents. Han Chauvinist still hate Manchus but compared to Tibetans, Manchus and Han people are rather similar rather than different, unlike Latin Americans and White Anglo-Saxons.
Yvonne Archer If you believe in what those American media‘s saying you are sorta brainwashed by the American Government too. It's not a new thing about the government controlling the media. All the government are doing the same thing.
@Yvonne Archer How dare you?
holy shit dude this is some fantastic work
I wonder how they justify/explain this in schools
A map with chaotic colors becomes one color.
I felt both satisfaction and grievance when Tibet was finally annexed by China. Must be my EU4/VIC2/HOI4 instincts kicking in.
i felt like i lost part of my soul when tibet was annexed
Tibet to China is just like Britanny to France, Bavaria to Germany, Siberia to Russia, etc. It's the trend of history and there's no need for grievance.
@@primuszorn2907 oh my glorious United Celtic Kingdoms of the Great and Lesser Britain
Primus Zorn yeah but somehow, non chinese are obsessed with “free tibet” bullcrap
@@primuszorn2907 So you are comparing medieval and colonial conquests to modern conquests of people?
Great Job Yan, Mapping legend
Free Tibet ❤❤❤
Free serfs
Glad to see a video like this, facts not opinions!
It is weird to translate “大清” into "the Great Qing". “大清” is a complete word not a separate one. The Qing Empire's official name is Daicing Gurun.
清帝自己也使用清这个字 清语 清字之类的 大清二字用汉语是解释的通的
但是大清是满语，战士之国的意思。搞得好像中国人都很自恋
Awesome as allways.
How did Tibet "freely" join if it was under "pressure" of invasion?
Firstname Lastname hehehe, exactly
想不到台湾有此等历史大神，佩服佩服！真乃神作，uninhabited的拼写错误完全可以忽略。
What was that orange spot north of Sikkim in the mountains?
It may be controlled by a temple. There are many sects in Tibet, not just the Dalai Lama.
@@VishuK-t8fSagya Sect it is a monastic polity that used to administer Tibet for the Yuan Dynasty but lost control despite this it existed as a polity until the annexation by PRC it was not a puppet of Britain it was an independent polity also it had vassals but they are not included in the video
@@oajajaj Ok
In fact, even warlords existed before qing collapse ...
yes
even Tibet is poor due to location, but Tibet GDP per capital is higher than richest Indian state Goa, but Indians want to free Tibet?? they'd better free South Tibet first.
Some people value having personal freedoms and being able to maintain their culture over economic progress.
@@achmedaan what freedom Indians have but Tibetans don't?
@@lvjinbin28 talk shit about govt
@JAITRA SAI when people said 'rich', standard is GDP per capita, can I say India is richer than UAE, right?en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP_per_capita
@Dragon Knight can you recommend some Tibetan RUclipsr in South Tibet? people don't know what Tibetan life is like in South Tibet, I heard Indian blocked foreigners from entering Arunachal Pradesh
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Epic video