Counter point: Should 18 year old Reggie Bush be catching swing passes against fully-grown man Ray Lewis? I feel like Football and Hockey are the two exceptions I'm down with because of the violent and physical nature of the sport, especially now that these players can actually make money of these NIL deals
There’s no such thing as a military draft anymore u moron. And military is getting paid $300 every Two weeks out of boot camp , not millions. When a player is handed millions he will never get an education as a military guy is with the gi bill if the military doesn’t work for him. U are a total. MORON
I think the NCAA needs to change their rules. If a high school player declared but not signed with an agent, not drafted, the kid should be able to play college ball.
No it should just be taken completely out of the NCAAs hands. The NBA should just expand their G League into a legitimate minor leagues and make it where everybody that plays college ball are legitimate amateurs or they went to college 100% by choice. Look at the baseball system they have 100s of rounds to their draft because they have an expansive minor leagues and a rule that says if you do go to college you have to be there 3 years
@@prestonjones1415 true but we live in a different age now. These players are their own marketing machines now due to social media. Look at Mikey Williams that kid has millions of followers, is already a brand endorser, and is already a multimillionaire and he hasn’t even picked a college yet
@@jamiethomas5849 I agree some players are great at individual marketing. The problem is that few of these high school stars are becoming nba stars. Some of them even struggle in college. The best marketing is still a player who plays in the NCAA tournament because they can capture casual fans AND the local fan base that drafts them
You know the media don't mess wit Kobe all those acknowledgements in Jan 2020 was fake and full of crocodile tears you know well who their prop up guy is
@@SilentMovements305 they don’t have to bring up Kobe every time. U do a show and talk about kobe. But they did bring up Kobe in the first 5 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂
To your point, unlike Europe we do not place a focus on fundamentals of the game. Here in America it is all about winning, and if the kids learn anything that is a bonus.
I’ve always thought if America done that it would be so cool. Imagine a Los Angeles Lakers Academy, a Golden State Warriors academy; U18, U16, would be sick.
This only works for the top players but the majority will stay in school and get a degree or go over seas because the roster spots for nba teams are limited/exclusive
For once Rob has a point where the NBA and NCAA saw these young kids as nothing but dollar signs. Making them going to College allowed the NCAA makes billions while only having to pay out thousands to these kids.
@@tomchrisfield7348 I think most NFL players play at least 3 years in college. Even some of the best players played all 4 years. That jump from HS to NFL is massive. Literally grown men running over children.
@Evan What are you even talking about? Have you ever played football a day in your life? Football is way more physical than basketball especially today I don’t doubt that today some players could come out of high school and be fine in the nba but not the NFL. For example my high school gym teacher was Waverly Jackson I’d say an average NFL player he played 5 years. Was 6’2 +300lbs yet he was still faster at sprinting than anybody on the track team and stronger than anybody on the football team
18 year olds ABSOLUTELY should have the right to enter the NBA draft!!! And if they don’t get drafted they should still have the option to play in college. You should be eligible to play college ball until you sign with a pro team! Rob is 100% correct on this topic!
Hey, Rob. It was the Player's Association that objected to lowering the eligibility age to 18, not David Stern. The players didn't want to have another class to compete for jobs.
PAUL CODER not true because in 2005 David stern enforced a dress code where players had to wear suits only because he was targeting Allen Iverson also in 2005 he changed the draft age know your history
@@Oh_Richard “letting kids go to college?” How is that racist? Did I misread that comment? Jermaine my boy too as his best years in NBA by far were for my Pacers 01-05 or so (finished 3rd in NBA in 03-04!)
That’s Gilbert arena’s propaganda. Stern was talking about them in 1998-99. The nba was older back then, more physical. The nba is younger now, & softer than ever before in pro basketball history. So its perfect for more immature bodies.
Ya.. Bunch of billionaires concede for 1 player that's soon gonna be out of the league? It's happening because it makes sense, eliminates the stupid fake year of college, and gets a year start on the NBA machine resupply... It has nothing to do with Lebron James..
Every year teams pick the wrong dudes out of college. Every single year there are busts. This wont change. There will be straight from high school busts and success stories just like there are from college.
Also, I will say that at the time, because of the push to find the next HS basketball star nba player, the "agents" and etc were probably too predatory trying to get kids go from prep to pros
There were definitely some cats who shouldn’t have jumped, like Darius Miles and Martell Webster. Other guys wasted their time in college, like Chris Webber and Shaq.
I think expanding the gleague is the best way. Make it like Europe where players are pros before they are 18. The problem with opening up the draft is that gms are gonna risk the 18 year old trying to get the next LeBron. It’s bad for the league when the lottery is full of unplayable players
Personally I believed that Zion Williamson could’ve contributed to an NBA team when he was 16 years old just purely off of his size and how athletic he was at that age
How you name everybody high school player and not name Kobe.... This why I be tryna tell ppl the media really don't like Kobe that's why they never have him higher on these all time list hence I don't take their list seriously
The rule was honestly put in place to save GM's and owners from themselves. They were all drafting high school kids that had no business being in the draft, but they just couldn't help themselves. The only positive that the one year college rule had was a whole bunch of dudes got exposed in college and never made the league or got drafted way later than they would out of high school. Now....that's also a negative to those kids and their families because they lost out on a pay day.
When we talk about HS to Pros guys Tyson Chandler needs to be mentioned more. Wasn’t a superstar but showed flashes early. And went on to have a hell of a career. And is an OG rim running - lob threat 5 man. Which is the 2nd most coveted 5 after the floor spacing,great passing 5 man. Also was a key piece for a championship team in the Big 3 Era. Former DPOY, 3 time All Defense team, 1 time all NBA. Lasted 18 years I believe. No off court issues. A pro’s pro.
@@coris3436 I did and numbers don’t tell the whole story. A center averaging over a block and a half a steal for an entire career makes them an above average defender. His advanced defensive metrics are very above average as well.
Honestly, high school recruits should take the Mello Ball/Luka route and play a season or two overseas with grown ass men, better competition, and an actual salary. What y’all think?
Don’t ever compare Melo and Luka lmao. Melo Ball had a weird family and he literally dropped out of high school. Nobody should ever be taking that route.
Proabbly because he was talking of example not just on the court, kobe case of rape huet him a lot.. btw kobe is my favorite player and a top 7 of all time for me
Basketball and football as of right now are the only two professional sports that has an age limit on when you can be drafted...... my guess is because it's so dark in there
@@coolbreeze4249 cause he is stating the obvious there guy. It is like you are debating goat and not mention MJ. Kobe was better than all of the guy Chris mentioned coming out of high school. That is Chris M.O. not his and other media 's first time.
It might be the most fair thing to lower the draft age, but it hurts the brand of the NBA. Seeing players grow up in college and develop and then go to the nba is much better than seeing some high school kid just dropped in the NBA. The greatest rivalry in NBA history (Larry and Magic), started off when they played against each other in college.
Yeah but that's ages ago and good players generally only stayed 1 year anyway in recent times. Also there's too much money for these players to make nowadays for them to have to stay in college 3-4 years just to please the fans and the NCAA. If there going to pay the kids then that would be different but you know the NCAA doesn't want to do that, they'll try to suspend you for borrowing $5 to take the train to school 😂
@@itshiho well now the kids in high-school and college can get paid sooo ,now they are doing it so lebrons kids can play with him . The head of the players association is who ? His boy Chris Paul.
Yeah. I saw his documentary. In addition to the work ethic, he said he was 20 by the time he graduated high school though. Severely behind in every aspect. Even though he had raw talent.
Love Chris Broussard. But he mentions Jonathan Bender…. and then matter factly says Kobe 5 + min into it smh…. If Kobe hadn’t died, I think the disrespect would’ve been even worse. Glad most of the comments are giving flowers to the Mamba - RIP 🐍 🙏🏾
I think if a player goes straight from high school to the draft and doesn't get drafted, he should absolutely be able to enroll in college and play in college after that. That's a crazy rule.
Emoni Bates would’ve been drafted in lotto out of high school. It’s hard to argue that the age requirement was bad for the sport as a whole. It made the sport on all levels better.
If the NBA was smart they'd require all high school players play their rookie year in the G League with a team call up option after the all-star break. You help the kid get adjusted and you up the profile of the G League
None of these 18 yr old high school players are ready for NBA or even G-League basketball. Literally none of them in the US practice, they just rely on talents and being cool. AAU ruined high school basketball.
Perceptions about the value of a college education have changed over time due to many factors. That aside, at what age should someone be allowed to be drafted? Some might be able to make the same arguments for high schools that benefit from their athletic systems.
The value of an education has merit with context but the reason it’s a joke for the NBA age rule is the idea that guys are getting educations when they’re one and done is silly. If you want to really push for the value of the dudes getting their education then the age should be older like the NFL where guys are going to be in college for a few years to where they’ll actually progress towards a degree. But when guys are going for one year and then going pro the argument about getting an education fails because they’re not getting much of any education. Now the value of the education for football guys and how seriously they take education is another argument to entertain but at least with that there’s a chance of an education before drafted versus one year.
I think of guys like Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor and Marvin Bagley III who in my opinion peaked that one year in college and ruined their chances. Other than the injuries
HIGH SCHOOL KIDS NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE .. IT HELPS THEIR DEVELOPMENT .. IT IMPROVES THE COLLEGE GAME .. AND THEY ARE MORE PREPARED WHEN THEY GET TO THE LEAGUE ..
From 95-06 only 4 hs players averaged double figures as a rookie. The 1st year alone they were 4 one and done guys to average double figures. One and done historically performed better from day 1 and by the times it was time to negotiate new contract they made more not just because of inflation but also most of them were proven NBA players by then while, most straight out of high school didn't really do much until year 4.
Agreed... So if most didn't do much by year 4, what's the difference between 19 years old and 18? Pretty much nothing. Clearly most young players don't help a franchise until later and even then it's not a guarantee... The only positive is for the player to get paid a year earlier. Good for them, but for the most part, bad for the franchise.
The idea that one year of college is somehow transforming a player into an otherworldly player is ridiculous. Especially considering many one and done players only play a handful of games. You think the 11 games that Kyrie played at Duke made him what he is?
I think all these great highschool players should go straight to the G-League or overseas before they get drafted... look at the success playing in a real pro league has on these athlete's... Giddey, Giannis, Luka, Lamelo, Jalen Green, Kuminga, Avdija, Killian Hayes, Anfernee Simon, Rudy Gobert, Jokic.
He named like 4 players that actually succeeded from highschool lol. Howard, Bron, McGrady, Kobe, Garnett and M. Malone. 6 in history have done well, the rest are mid to trash.
Daryl Dawkins, Stephen Jackson, Josh Smith, Andrew Bynum, & Louis Williams. Most NBA draftees are pretty “average.” Only a few of them become great. The rarest ones become legendary. Drafting from HS should be rare and it seldomly happened before the NBA became desperate for the next Jordan in the late 90s.
It’s much easier for athletes to make lots of money nowadays then it was 15-20 years ago because technology has made their lives easier they can start podcasts talking about basketball lol
Draymond says they are trying to tie a harsher luxury tax as part of this. Which would mean players, agents and lot of other people won't get paid as much.
Historically, academics is tied to athletics so heavily in America due to race & class. It’s another barrier much like money is in sports such as Tennis, Ice Hockey, Golf, and Baseball.
I was amazing at art as kid. A school came to recruit me, they were looking for comic book artists. My dad said no I need to finish high school. From that moment my grades, everything started to suffer, I barely finished high school, was already kicked out of the house before I finished.
@@bobbybetwirlin8442 at the age of 18 you are eligible to be drafted into war. Why should an 18 year old be eligible for that draft and not the NBA draft?
They are not forgetting, they have an order to not talk too much about him because it affect the $ and people looking may realize Kobe and some other players were better than Lebron. And that affects the business, the narrative and legacy of the league’s face.
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with rod parker to this extent, I 100% agree with everything he said and believe what he’s saying is the truth, at 18 I know I was immature and wasn’t ready to make a decision that decides my future, but I did and it was my right to, for better or for worse, this decision was only to protect people who already made it essentially and didn’t like the risk that came with drafting high school players, in any industry, younger people are brought in to replace older more experienced workers for a variety of reasons, if your the person making those decisions and it ends bad you’re fired, this is how the world works
Do people forget that Shawn Kemp was the first person to be drafted out of high school after Darryl Dawkins and Moses Malone were drafted in the late-1970s? Yes, Kemp was a year out of high school and had enrolled at Trinity Valley College after not enrolling at Kentucky, but he never played a single minute of organized college basketball. So, technically he started the high school-to-NBA pipeline and opened those floodgates, and that was in 1989. It wasn’t KG. It amazes me that guys like Shaq, Jason Kidd, and Chris Webber didn’t do the same. They could have made that jump. Kenny Anderson might have been a better NBA player if he had skipped college.
Chris and especially Rob are missing the point. The NBA raised the age because of so many high school players failing and then being broke with no college. Rob wants to say the GM doesn't draft him, but he is also the one who will blame the league for not helping young players.
It's way too many people came out of high school that didn't make it and all you can name is five to six people who did High School is not even on a college level so it's like you skipping the college level and going straight to the pro level and most of them kids can't even play in college
My opinion, I think it had to do with the numbers.. the shmoney. It’s a business on both sides, pro and amateur. Since the amateurs can make a few shams while in college, the schools don’t need an age requirement before going pro. And also they don’t need to pay em under the table anymore. Everything’s out in the open…
I really don't see what the bad thing is about going to college..... Playing against the very best 18-23 yr old basketball players in the country you really see who the great players are, they learn the fundamentals, they get TV time to market their name. And at the very least you get a free education, you make contacts., and you develop a network. There is really no downside.
I don't think it was a mistake. People forget how ridiculous it started getting with these high school guys getting drafted when they clearly weren't ready. It had gotten bad for the league, in my opinion.
Players who skip college are missing something from their games Kobe mirrored MJ I mean every move was a mirror image plus Kobe’s natural game also Why MJ go 6 finals as the leader and was unbeatable on a level most can’t imagine 600 plus games dude ain’t lose three in a row Kobe game was off That’s to big a conversation but every single kid to skip college come up short
For everybody saying all these young guys are about to come straight out of high school is completely false, no HS player is coming straight from HS without being on any projected draft boards, be forreal. If you’re a projected prospect those will be the only ones that’ll be coming straight from HS. If you not a 4-5 star recruit you’re not getting drafted.
The only reason I'm not 100% sold on it is cause younger kids are more at risk for serious injuries. Look at how many rookies in recent years have either missed a big chunk of the season or the entire season. Their bodies aren't developed for NBA punishment and 18 year olds even less so. I'm all for players getting the money they deserve but they put their careers at a far greater risk IMO
I agree with that but in a different way. I think it hurts their careers not mainly because of injuries, but because the level of competition is going to be so drastically different. I can see so many huge highschool prospects getting drafted and turning out to be complete busts because they had no time to develop in college ball. NCAAB is a lot different than highschool bball.
In my opinion it’s the players. They have to agree to the CBA. I don’t think guys like Udonis Haslem would still be around if high schoolers were allowed to hit the league immediately
This is all about revenue for college sports! You take away college sports what would be the real reason young men and women can’t go straight to the pros?
Pay the college kids and you won't have to worry about so many kids jumping from high school to the pros......And if they don't get drafted they should be allowed to go back to school.
Players better off staying for 3 years. They take 3 years to develop. And not every player is a Kobe or Garnett. But this is more Adam silver giving his ass
whenever people interview old nba players like kareem, bill walton, etc. they are so happy that they went to college and it changed their life. college is about more than picking a career, its about rounding people out as human beings. i think there should be a 21 year old age limit.
@@jaydell4039 Funny how ppl only want age limits in two sports with black players. Nobody wants one for baseball, hockey, tennis, golf, NASCAR, Hollywood etc
I'm for allowing kids to go straight from HS to the league. But I believe the NBA should require kids who choose the college route should do like the MLB & require them to stay 3yrs to make for a better college game today in basketball
Already the hate starts pouring in. As soon as the show begins...... mentions players noticeable for coming out of highschool and just so happens he fails to mention kobe. I knew it was a mistake listening to ya. Ya really think this benefits you? The New Media wouldn't do such a thing.
If you’re old enough to enter a military draft, you’re old enough to enter a sports draft
Nothing else needs to be said. 💯💯💯💯💯
Your old enough to die for your country but not old enough to feed your family
Counter point: Should 18 year old Reggie Bush be catching swing passes against fully-grown man Ray Lewis?
I feel like Football and Hockey are the two exceptions I'm down with because of the violent and physical nature of the sport, especially now that these players can actually make money of these NIL deals
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There’s no such thing as a military draft anymore u moron. And military is getting paid $300 every Two weeks out of boot camp , not millions. When a player is handed millions he will never get an education as a military guy is with the gi bill if the military doesn’t work for him. U are a total. MORON
I think the NCAA needs to change their rules. If a high school player declared but not signed with an agent, not drafted, the kid should be able to play college ball.
No it should just be taken completely out of the NCAAs hands. The NBA should just expand their G League into a legitimate minor leagues and make it where everybody that plays college ball are legitimate amateurs or they went to college 100% by choice. Look at the baseball system they have 100s of rounds to their draft because they have an expansive minor leagues and a rule that says if you do go to college you have to be there 3 years
@@jamiethomas5849 I agree in theory. But the reason why the NBA doesn't want that is because the NCAA brand is better for marketing the players.
@@prestonjones1415 true but we live in a different age now. These players are their own marketing machines now due to social media. Look at Mikey Williams that kid has millions of followers, is already a brand endorser, and is already a multimillionaire and he hasn’t even picked a college yet
DP good post with social media players can build or expand their own brands
@@jamiethomas5849 I agree some players are great at individual marketing. The problem is that few of these high school stars are becoming nba stars. Some of them even struggle in college. The best marketing is still a player who plays in the NCAA tournament because they can capture casual fans AND the local fan base that drafts them
When they talk about age and drafting and forget Kobe, it's deliberate and impossible to not think of him.
You know the media don't mess wit Kobe all those acknowledgements in Jan 2020 was fake and full of crocodile tears you know well who their prop up guy is
@@SilentMovements305 they don’t have to bring up Kobe every time. U do a show and talk about kobe. But they did bring up Kobe in the first 5 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂
If u listened long enough you would have heard them mention kobe
I was about to post that and I seen your comment 💯 I don't know what Chris problem is with Kobe but he's just as bad as Nick wright
CONCENTRATED EFFORT BY THE MEDIA. DISGUSTING.
There needs to be a system like Europe where amateur and pros work closer together
To your point, unlike Europe we do not place a focus on fundamentals of the game. Here in America it is all about winning, and if the kids learn anything that is a bonus.
I’ve always thought if America done that it would be so cool. Imagine a Los Angeles Lakers Academy, a Golden State Warriors academy; U18, U16, would be sick.
@@coachjon6967 yeah thats why the soccer system work pretty good with the grassroots
we can't do it the european way
@@justcallmeal3841 Yeah, because our way is so much better which is why some of the top players in the game are not from USA.
It’s insane to me how the media really tries to make people forget Kobe!
How u figure? The media loves Kobe
How u figure? The media loves Kobe
Rob talked about Kobe
4:00
Facts
This only works for the top players but the majority will stay in school and get a degree or go over seas because the roster spots for nba teams are limited/exclusive
They usually go over seas. If it was me, I'd take that free engineering degree!! But I get it tho.
For once Rob has a point where the NBA and NCAA saw these young kids as nothing but dollar signs. Making them going to College allowed the NCAA makes billions while only having to pay out thousands to these kids.
How does College Football factor into all this ? Can high school football players go directly to the NFL ?
@@tomchrisfield7348 no that is very dangerous the leap from the high school level to the NFL would be to big for most if not all
@@tomchrisfield7348 I think most NFL players play at least 3 years in college. Even some of the best players played all 4 years. That jump from HS to NFL is massive. Literally grown men running over children.
@Evan What are you even talking about? Have you ever played football a day in your life? Football is way more physical than basketball especially today I don’t doubt that today some players could come out of high school and be fine in the nba but not the NFL. For example my high school gym teacher was Waverly Jackson I’d say an average NFL player he played 5 years. Was 6’2 +300lbs yet he was still faster at sprinting than anybody on the track team and stronger than anybody on the football team
@@t-god2439 yea In basketball there’s not really any contact fr, well compared to football
18 year olds ABSOLUTELY should have the right to enter the NBA draft!!!
And if they don’t get drafted they should still have the option to play in college.
You should be eligible to play college ball until you sign with a pro team!
Rob is 100% correct on this topic!
College is a scam for pro prospects. I'm so happy the g league is available and scouts are looking more internationally.
You don't get the right to a job.
You can get the opportunity
Now we know why he once said KOBE wasn't even Top 10, u have to be a "Good Citizens" in his eyes to get his approval.
Hey, Rob. It was the Player's Association that objected to lowering the eligibility age to 18, not David Stern. The players didn't want to have another class to compete for jobs.
And Jermaine O’Neal called the nba the R word for not letting kids go to college. Funny how people forget
PAUL CODER not true because in 2005 David stern enforced a dress code where players had to wear suits only because he was targeting Allen Iverson also in 2005 he changed the draft age know your history
@@Oh_Richard “letting kids go to college?” How is that racist? Did I misread that comment? Jermaine my boy too as his best years in NBA by far were for my Pacers 01-05 or so (finished 3rd in NBA in 03-04!)
That’s Gilbert arena’s propaganda. Stern was talking about them in 1998-99. The nba was older back then, more physical. The nba is younger now, & softer than ever before in pro basketball history. So its perfect for more immature bodies.
All ways blame white daddy
This rule was always a bs shady rule. Rob is absolutely right about this. There’s no other rational explanation for it.
You can be 17 years old and join the army, you should be able to declare for the nba draft at 18
18 to join the Army
@@loganblack4885 you can join at 17 with parent permission
@@bryansilva6306 yep this is true 17 with permission from parents or legal guardian
Wtf does the army have to do with the NBA? It’s way harder to be in the nba compared to the army.
@@bobbybetwirlin8442 naw lol 😂 you kidding Righttt?
This change is obviously for lebron wanting to play with bronny.
kind of feels like it eh
@@samueljlarson No it's not.
@@1stnamebr406 I'm sure there are other reasons as well but they always point towards money.
Damn sure is!!! All about making history!!! Just think it’ll probably never happen again or if it does… no father will probably be as good as James
Ya.. Bunch of billionaires concede for 1 player that's soon gonna be out of the league?
It's happening because it makes sense, eliminates the stupid fake year of college, and gets a year start on the NBA machine resupply... It has nothing to do with Lebron James..
Every year teams pick the wrong dudes out of college. Every single year there are busts. This wont change. There will be straight from high school busts and success stories just like there are from college.
Atleast the stars can get a headstart
@@damianpresha9833
Lol and franchises that mess up the draft will be set back 3-4 years lol.
Lenny Cooke never outplayed LeBron. Bron destroyed him at ABCD camp. Lenny was never the same after that.
Sebastián was under 6 ft he made millions and saved his family from hell. He did just fine I'm from Brooklyn.
Now he’s in jail
@@jaydell4039 is he really
@@samirpuraj sentenced to 3 years for driving with illegal weapons.
@@jaydell4039 so I guess that the players that went to college for a few years don't go to prison🤦🏾🤦🏾
GM’s went crazy with drafting 18 year olds that led to a lot of bad players in the league
They drafted a lot of 18 year olds in Vietnam and Iraq that died for a bad war....at 18 its your choice to do it and up to a grown GM to draft them
@@originaltroll7511 right
@@originaltroll7511 💯
@@originaltroll7511 Iraq was not a draft
@@blaketindle4703 the fact u believed that comment... man.. u are a clown
Also, I will say that at the time, because of the push to find the next HS basketball star nba player, the "agents" and etc were probably too predatory trying to get kids go from prep to pros
There were definitely some cats who shouldn’t have jumped, like Darius Miles and Martell Webster. Other guys wasted their time in college, like Chris Webber and Shaq.
I think expanding the gleague is the best way. Make it like Europe where players are pros before they are 18. The problem with opening up the draft is that gms are gonna risk the 18 year old trying to get the next LeBron. It’s bad for the league when the lottery is full of unplayable players
Chris really forgot about Kobe wow
The said Kobe multiple times
Kobe wasn’t that memorable because he wasn’t that good he had to develop he wasn’t nba ready when he came in
Dawg. Shut up.
@@IvanDiaz-fl6ff man what?? He only didnt start cuz Eddie Jones..an all star.. played the same position
They didn't mention Dwight Howard
Personally I believed that Zion Williamson could’ve contributed to an NBA team when he was 16 years old just purely off of his size and how athletic he was at that age
No he wouldn’t
Definitely
@@samoso6979 that’s your opinion. I gave mine
He barely playing now.
No way lol he woulda gotten bullied badly lol
How you name everybody high school player and not name Kobe.... This why I be tryna tell ppl the media really don't like Kobe that's why they never have him higher on these all time list hence I don't take their list seriously
The real ones know bruh. It’s fashionable to be a Kobe fan now that he’s passed. We see through it all.
@@ikey1119 if Jordan's the best Kobe is 2nd
they were all faked tears the day kobe passed away. Wasn't Chris first time. Kobe is the automatic 1st guy to think of when coming straight out of HS.
The rule was honestly put in place to save GM's and owners from themselves. They were all drafting high school kids that had no business being in the draft, but they just couldn't help themselves. The only positive that the one year college rule had was a whole bunch of dudes got exposed in college and never made the league or got drafted way later than they would out of high school. Now....that's also a negative to those kids and their families because they lost out on a pay day.
When we talk about HS to Pros guys Tyson Chandler needs to be mentioned more. Wasn’t a superstar but showed flashes early. And went on to have a hell of a career. And is an OG rim running - lob threat 5 man. Which is the 2nd most coveted 5 after the floor spacing,great passing 5 man. Also was a key piece for a championship team in the Big 3 Era. Former DPOY, 3 time All Defense team, 1 time all NBA. Lasted 18 years I believe. No off court issues. A pro’s pro.
Chandler was ok.
He was a bum until Chris Paul on New Orleans. Went back to average at best when he went to the knicks, Dallas
@@coris3436 Bench warmers are average. He was above average. Making all league in any facet in any year of your career is big
@@MRBBALLMAN10 check his numbers then tell me he was above avg.
@@coris3436 I did and numbers don’t tell the whole story. A center averaging over a block and a half a steal for an entire career makes them an above average defender. His advanced defensive metrics are very above average as well.
Honestly, high school recruits should take the Mello Ball/Luka route and play a season or two overseas with grown ass men, better competition, and an actual salary. What y’all think?
That makes sense. Only caveat is not everyone is capable or wants to live in other countries.
Don’t ever compare Melo and Luka lmao. Melo Ball had a weird family and he literally dropped out of high school. Nobody should ever be taking that route.
Naming HS draft picks and leave Kobe out? Absolutely impossible. I don’t even want to watch the rest of the video lol
Proabbly because he was talking of example not just on the court, kobe case of rape huet him a lot.. btw kobe is my favorite player and a top 7 of all time for me
“We heard you, it just wasn’t funny.”
KOBE BRYANT , don’t ever leave him out when talking about players straight out of high school
I’m done watching these clowns , they disrespect the mamba so much
Basketball and football as of right now are the only two professional sports that has an age limit on when you can be drafted...... my guess is because it's so dark in there
Teams were trying to draft the next Kobe and failing over and over. So it was hurting the league. That's why Stern did it.
Rare Rob Parker W! 🔥🔥🔥
"I feel dirty saying that!" 😂😂😂
Its shameful that Kobe isn't the first or second person Broussard is mentioning.
Your comment is shameful it’s not that deep. stop forcing kobe on everything
@@coolbreeze4249 ye it is because kobe was better than all those guys he named lol.
@@coolbreeze4249 Kobesexuals with moot points
@@coolbreeze4249 cause he is stating the obvious there guy. It is like you are debating goat and not mention MJ. Kobe was better than all of the guy Chris mentioned coming out of high school. That is Chris M.O. not his and other media 's first time.
It might be the most fair thing to lower the draft age, but it hurts the brand of the NBA. Seeing players grow up in college and develop and then go to the nba is much better than seeing some high school kid just dropped in the NBA. The greatest rivalry in NBA history (Larry and Magic), started off when they played against each other in college.
Yeah but that's ages ago and good players generally only stayed 1 year anyway in recent times. Also there's too much money for these players to make nowadays for them to have to stay in college 3-4 years just to please the fans and the NCAA. If there going to pay the kids then that would be different but you know the NCAA doesn't want to do that, they'll try to suspend you for borrowing $5 to take the train to school 😂
@@itshiho well now the kids in high-school and college can get paid sooo ,now they are doing it so lebrons kids can play with him . The head of the players association is who ? His boy Chris Paul.
Thank you
I think college should change their rule and let a kid still be eligible if the NBA don’t work out at 18 and let them go back play and be educated.
as for lenny cooke, he was hyped up by people around him. he was a great player but didnt want to put in the work.
Yeah. I saw his documentary. In addition to the work ethic, he said he was 20 by the time he graduated high school though. Severely behind in every aspect. Even though he had raw talent.
Draft picks will be become more valuable as a lot of more busts will happen and you can pick up nice players later on .
There is only two rounds in the nba draft lol
@@cygriffin83 usually second round picks are not worth much . Yes worded wrong
Love Chris Broussard. But he mentions Jonathan Bender…. and then matter factly says Kobe 5 + min into it smh…. If Kobe hadn’t died, I think the disrespect would’ve been even worse. Glad most of the comments are giving flowers to the Mamba - RIP 🐍 🙏🏾
Aw stop whats ur point
Can’t wait to see tons of dudes at the nba combine
Why didn’t Chris mention Kobe in his little opener? F’n ridiculous…
I think if a player goes straight from high school to the draft and doesn't get drafted, he should absolutely be able to enroll in college and play in college after that. That's a crazy rule.
Emoni Bates would’ve been drafted in lotto out of high school. It’s hard to argue that the age requirement was bad for the sport as a whole. It made the sport on all levels better.
Forcing players to wait a year after high school to be drafted was definitely pointless.
Yeah but most suck for yrs
If the NBA was smart they'd require all high school players play their rookie year in the G League with a team call up option after the all-star break. You help the kid get adjusted and you up the profile of the G League
Some teams do send their rookies down, but some don't, this isn't a one size fits all thing
None of these 18 yr old high school players are ready for NBA or even G-League basketball. Literally none of them in the US practice, they just rely on talents and being cool. AAU ruined high school basketball.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Charles Barkley spit on somebody and threw them out of a window. Not saying that he is a bad citizen. But he went to college. LMBO!
Perceptions about the value of a college education have changed over time due to many factors. That aside, at what age should someone be allowed to be drafted? Some might be able to make the same arguments for high schools that benefit from their athletic systems.
The value of an education has merit with context but the reason it’s a joke for the NBA age rule is the idea that guys are getting educations when they’re one and done is silly. If you want to really push for the value of the dudes getting their education then the age should be older like the NFL where guys are going to be in college for a few years to where they’ll actually progress towards a degree. But when guys are going for one year and then going pro the argument about getting an education fails because they’re not getting much of any education. Now the value of the education for football guys and how seriously they take education is another argument to entertain but at least with that there’s a chance of an education before drafted versus one year.
how yall forget mamba
lol its on purpose
I think of guys like Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor and Marvin Bagley III who in my opinion peaked that one year in college and ruined their chances. Other than the injuries
HIGH SCHOOL KIDS NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE .. IT HELPS THEIR DEVELOPMENT .. IT IMPROVES THE COLLEGE GAME .. AND THEY ARE MORE PREPARED WHEN THEY GET TO THE LEAGUE ..
Does mark have a direct number to the odd couple nigga is always the first caller
You guys have become my favorite show the past few months. Great chemistry! 👏🏽👍🏽👊🏽
So y’all bring up J Bender but not Kobe?
that is Chris for you. He will diminish Kobe every chance he gets.
From 95-06 only 4 hs players averaged double figures as a rookie. The 1st year alone they were 4 one and done guys to average double figures. One and done historically performed better from day 1 and by the times it was time to negotiate new contract they made more not just because of inflation but also most of them were proven NBA players by then while, most straight out of high school didn't really do much until year 4.
Agreed... So if most didn't do much by year 4, what's the difference between 19 years old and 18? Pretty much nothing. Clearly most young players don't help a franchise until later and even then it's not a guarantee... The only positive is for the player to get paid a year earlier. Good for them, but for the most part, bad for the franchise.
The idea that one year of college is somehow transforming a player into an otherworldly player is ridiculous. Especially considering many one and done players only play a handful of games.
You think the 11 games that Kyrie played at Duke made him what he is?
I think all these great highschool players should go straight to the G-League or overseas before they get drafted... look at the success playing in a real pro league has on these athlete's... Giddey, Giannis, Luka, Lamelo, Jalen Green, Kuminga, Avdija, Killian Hayes, Anfernee Simon, Rudy Gobert, Jokic.
He named like 4 players that actually succeeded from highschool lol. Howard, Bron, McGrady, Kobe, Garnett and M. Malone. 6 in history have done well, the rest are mid to trash.
Basically. The majority were trash and couldn’t return to school
Lots of lottery picks from college end up trash too tho. Drafting can be tough! Lol
Daryl Dawkins, Stephen Jackson, Josh Smith, Andrew Bynum, & Louis Williams. Most NBA draftees are pretty “average.” Only a few of them become great. The rarest ones become legendary.
Drafting from HS should be rare and it seldomly happened before the NBA became desperate for the next Jordan in the late 90s.
It’s crazy they can’t go back to college. If they don’t get drafted why isn’t that an option
They can go back. They just can't play basketball
It’s much easier for athletes to make lots of money nowadays then it was 15-20 years ago because technology has made their lives easier they can start podcasts talking about basketball lol
Draymond says they are trying to tie a harsher luxury tax as part of this. Which would mean players, agents and lot of other people won't get paid as much.
3:52 Rob sounding like a character from The PJs 😂
This was one of the best stances I’ve ever seen Rob take.
It's weak
Historically, academics is tied to athletics so heavily in America due to race & class. It’s another barrier much like money is in sports such as Tennis, Ice Hockey, Golf, and Baseball.
Yep but organized football cost more than all those sports..
I was amazing at art as kid. A school came to recruit me, they were looking for comic book artists. My dad said no I need to finish high school. From that moment my grades, everything started to suffer, I barely finished high school, was already kicked out of the house before I finished.
Dang I still wouldn't have qualified for this new rule. I graduated at age 17 and didn't turn 18 until after the season started😎
Kobe wouldn't have either.
Rob made excellent points. You shouldn’t be able to be drafted in war but not drafted in the nba
What does war have to do with anything? It’s harder to be in the nba then the army
@@bobbybetwirlin8442 at the age of 18 you are eligible to be drafted into war. Why should an 18 year old be eligible for that draft and not the NBA draft?
@@brandancarroll6936 because the nba draft is harder. The army litterally takes anyone to join. The NBA ain’t the army it’s way harder to join
Damn to forget Kobe is wild!!!!!!
They are not forgetting, they have an order to not talk too much about him because it affect the $ and people looking may realize Kobe and some other players were better than Lebron. And that affects the business, the narrative and legacy of the league’s face.
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with rod parker to this extent, I 100% agree with everything he said and believe what he’s saying is the truth, at 18 I know I was immature and wasn’t ready to make a decision that decides my future, but I did and it was my right to, for better or for worse, this decision was only to protect people who already made it essentially and didn’t like the risk that came with drafting high school players, in any industry, younger people are brought in to replace older more experienced workers for a variety of reasons, if your the person making those decisions and it ends bad you’re fired, this is how the world works
Yeah this was a good talk. Great topic and the team who works with this crew must hear some good things behind the scenes! 😂
All these 18 yr olds are gonna declare for the draft and Fail and have nothing to fall back on .
You acting like they can’t go to college ever
Once they declare for the draft 😂😂
@@issiahsilva they won’t get a scholarship after they declared for the draft
@@cwebed-stuy9951They'll have the money to pay for it. If you really gave two sh*ts abouy that you'd have voted for Bernie...🙄
Do people forget that Shawn Kemp was the first person to be drafted out of high school after Darryl Dawkins and Moses Malone were drafted in the late-1970s?
Yes, Kemp was a year out of high school and had enrolled at Trinity Valley College after not enrolling at Kentucky, but he never played a single minute of organized college basketball.
So, technically he started the high school-to-NBA pipeline and opened those floodgates, and that was in 1989. It wasn’t KG.
It amazes me that guys like Shaq, Jason Kidd, and Chris Webber didn’t do the same. They could have made that jump.
Kenny Anderson might have been a better NBA player if he had skipped college.
yooooooo i never knew that about kemp! that wild! makes him even more of a monster high key!
KG's success as a rookie opened the floodgates.
And interesting kenny Anderson take
Na for everyone of those guys mentioned there’s 100 Sebastian telfairs.
Chris and especially Rob are missing the point. The NBA raised the age because of so many high school players failing and then being broke with no college. Rob wants to say the GM doesn't draft him, but he is also the one who will blame the league for not helping young players.
It's way too many people came out of high school that didn't make it and all you can name is five to six people who did High School is not even on a college level so it's like you skipping the college level and going straight to the pro level and most of them kids can't even play in college
1 of a few times I've ever heard Rob say something I totally get and agree with lol
My opinion, I think it had to do with the numbers.. the shmoney. It’s a business on both sides, pro and amateur. Since the amateurs can make a few shams while in college, the schools don’t need an age requirement before going pro. And also they don’t need to pay em under the table anymore. Everything’s out in the open…
I really don't see what the bad thing is about going to college..... Playing against the very best 18-23 yr old basketball players in the country you really see who the great players are, they learn the fundamentals, they get TV time to market their name. And at the very least you get a free education, you make contacts., and you develop a network. There is really no downside.
Getting injured in college will set you back. Michael Porter Jr would've been picked #1 had he stayed healthy.
Having kobe in the thumbnail but not mentioning him initially is the media trying to make us forget how Great Kobe Bryant was.
I don't think it was a mistake. People forget how ridiculous it started getting with these high school guys getting drafted when they clearly weren't ready. It had gotten bad for the league, in my opinion.
World Football (soccer in the States) dont have an age limit or requirement. amazing to see talented dudes get a chance at 15, 16, 17, 18, etc
If you don’t get drafted…and you still eligible…why can’t you go back to school??
Players who skip college are missing something from their games
Kobe mirrored MJ I mean every move was a mirror image plus Kobe’s natural game also
Why MJ go 6 finals as the leader and was unbeatable on a level most can’t imagine
600 plus games dude ain’t lose three in a row
Kobe game was off
That’s to big a conversation but every single kid to skip college come up short
Thank you! Been saying it for years, there are far more busts from high school than have good careers
For everybody saying all these young guys are about to come straight out of high school is completely false, no HS player is coming straight from HS without being on any projected draft boards, be forreal. If you’re a projected prospect those will be the only ones that’ll be coming straight from HS. If you not a 4-5 star recruit you’re not getting drafted.
You’re clueless
Everytime Chris mentions all time greats he always excludes Kobe it’s getting weird.
The only reason I'm not 100% sold on it is cause younger kids are more at risk for serious injuries. Look at how many rookies in recent years have either missed a big chunk of the season or the entire season. Their bodies aren't developed for NBA punishment and 18 year olds even less so. I'm all for players getting the money they deserve but they put their careers at a far greater risk IMO
I agree with that but in a different way. I think it hurts their careers not mainly because of injuries, but because the level of competition is going to be so drastically different. I can see so many huge highschool prospects getting drafted and turning out to be complete busts because they had no time to develop in college ball. NCAAB is a lot different than highschool bball.
That rule was about colleges not having the best players. All the top high school players were over looking college.
In my opinion it’s the players. They have to agree to the CBA. I don’t think guys like Udonis Haslem would still be around if high schoolers were allowed to hit the league immediately
The Bronny Rule 😂
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JR Smith did fine!
Yes he did.
This is all about revenue for college sports! You take away college sports what would be the real reason young men and women can’t go straight to the pros?
7:59 why can’t they go to college if they declare for the draft and not make it?
Pay the college kids and you won't have to worry about so many kids jumping from high school to the pros......And if they don't get drafted they should be allowed to go back to school.
Kind of hard at major schools cuz they trying to kick you out for the next class coming in.
Some parents can’t afford college for their kids
Players better off staying for 3 years. They take 3 years to develop. And not every player is a Kobe or Garnett. But this is more Adam silver giving his ass
Thank you
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I personally think that kids drafted out of hs should be regulated to the g league if they aren't a lottery pick.
whenever people interview old nba players like kareem, bill walton, etc. they are so happy that they went to college and it changed their life. college is about more than picking a career, its about rounding people out as human beings. i think there should be a 21 year old age limit.
Nah
@@jaydell4039 Funny how ppl only want age limits in two sports with black players. Nobody wants one for baseball, hockey, tennis, golf, NASCAR, Hollywood etc
@@truthbearer7891 mabye cause black men are amoung the lowest race enrolled in college. The numbers going go down more without sports.
Colleges benefited big off that rule
I'm for allowing kids to go straight from HS to the league. But I believe the NBA should require kids who choose the college route should do like the MLB & require them to stay 3yrs to make for a better college game today in basketball
Don't leave out that J Bender also had injuries derail his career
Damn Chris don’t let rob talk 🤣and I don’t even want rob to talk like that but damn
Already the hate starts pouring in. As soon as the show begins...... mentions players noticeable for coming out of highschool and just so happens he fails to mention kobe. I knew it was a mistake listening to ya. Ya really think this benefits you? The New Media wouldn't do such a thing.
It’s good to see rob parker working for a major company. Felt bad when espn did him like that