Olie raised an excellent point here - the fact that the die used in the 5090 is approaching the reticle limit with regard to size (at 744 square millimetres) impacts costs massively. The cost per square millimetre goes up significantly as dies become larger.
Question is, If i find it RTX 4090 on used under 700$ like a Palit Game Rock OC. Should i upgrade from RX 7900 XT to RTX 4090 Used under 700$ or wait for RTX 5070ti around 800$. I have 3440-1440p oled monitor by the way. Just help me guys on this.
You comparing 4090 to 5070Ti! Surely 4090 @700-800 has all the bells mate, unless you are eager and greedy for DLSS 3X frame generation. I am thinking of jumping from my 3080Ti to 5070Ti, or maybe 5080. Just my thought.
Tbh i dont think the 5070ti is going to be Close to 4090 RAW performance. if you find a good deal on a 4090 , 100% get if you want a upgrade from a 7900xt, witch is already a good card. the 5080 is probably going to be a 4090 replacement .
Can't really answer that without the rest of your specs. I can say there is no point in upgrading your GPU, if your CPU is a current/potential bottleneck afterward. Gaming in 4K will be less likely an issue with CPU Bottleneck, but at 1440p you could easily run into one.
I would recommend not taking advice from RUclips comments if an upgrade is viable, you’re only going to the most biased knobs. Do your own research when benchmarks become more readily available if the gain is worth the squeeze.
as always it depends on a lot of factors. like the rest of your systems what games fo you play are you ok with using framgen. will you keep your 3080 or will you sell it.
You think scalpers will make it that bad even for the 5090? I remember when I got my 3090 during that one huge chip shortage, this time will be different?
@@mikedimples Yes, I dont think it will be just scalpers either. I think even if stock is available and not scalped it will still be at ridiculous prices way above msrp. The 5090 is already 2k msrp. Right now there is stock of 4090s but youd be lucky to find one under 2k even though it initially launched at 1599.
Im gonna build a new pc for like 2000£, any recommendations? I want a card with 16gb vram at least and seems like the best option for might be the 5070ti or the rx 9070xt Edit: Also, was looking at cpus and found the AMD Ryzen™M 7 9800X3D for £499, do you think its worth it or overkill?
Sadly no FE cards at Microcenter and looks like board partner cards are going to be at least $200 more than MSRP. Asus Astral card is supposedly $2800. Have to assume any water cooled cards are going to be $3k.
Eh I don't see the comparison to the 2090ti at all. The 5090 will be an absolute beast and provide a solid improvement when that wasn't the case with the 2000 series at launch atleast
These new gen Nvidia GPUs are a bit of a let down in terms of advancements. It seems like the CUDA and RT cores perform roughly the same as the ones on the previous gen. The only way they get noticeable performance gain is by shoving more of them, like they did with the 5090. The only components that seem to have benefited by some R&D were the Tensor cores.
Getting the 5090. This seals it for me. I'm on a 3080ti and rarely use it to game. I know I'm not going to get value for the games but I also create Ai and 3D content. I just need to generate stuff faster. This looks like it's going to do it
24GB most likely. The available memory configurations on a 256bit bus are 8GB, 16GB and 24GB with 1GB, 2GB and 3GB memory modules respectively. So probably we will get a 24GB 5080 Super and 18GB 5070 at some point down the line.
Nvidia pushing the price a little bit? Oliver is 400 dollars a little bit for you? :D You know, RTX 4090 is 1600 dollars and now RTX 5090 is 2000 dollars.
@@kennymorelandiii9406 RTX 4080 was 1200 dollars. RTX 5080 is 1000 dollars. According to this RTX 5090 could be 1600 dollars at most, not 400 dollars more than the RTX 4090. RTX 5090 is just ridiculously expensive, admit it.
8:42 why does an Nvidia just sell the actual chips to these other card makers and let them build a complete solution around it. They should be able to choose what type of memory how much memory, the speed design a board, etc. Think about how Intel sells a chip to Dell and Dell decides what type of system to build around it Why are they basically selling a full on card and leaving these board partners. It makes the board partners simply companies that design a heat sink and fan
AFAIK, AIBs just get chips, PCB is their design. In GN's review of 5090 FE memory was kinda hot, don't know whether it's G7 memory or crammed PCB, cause AIB might've gone for large designs in order to reduce temperatures and their concentration.
↑ - Needs VS Wants. 1 - Do I WANT a new graphics card? Yes 2 - Can I afford a new graphics card? Yes 3 - Do I NEED a new graphics card? No 4 - Conclusion: Be content with what you have.
Looking at VRAM utilisation and with a perspective for next 2-3 years, 5080 16GB is not sufficient, should have been 20-24GB. 5090 is not my cup of tea (my wallet). I am more inclined to jump to 5070Ti from my current 3080Ti, definitely not 5080 with 16GB. We have after all nVidia NIS + DLSS + FG to utilise to get 4K/Upscale 4K AAA gaming.
Games aren't even using 16gb outside of a wasteful setting on ONE outlier game. I wouldn't expect it to keep going up, especially with the new nvidia VRAM saving features.
5080 = performance of 4080 super, 979 pound vs 850-1000pound , in terms of raw power you can get 4080 super now without any regrets, unless you wanna watch fake frames..
I mean no. The 4080 is not in stock at MSRP anymore, it will down a bit on launch of 50 series but not by a drastic amount. If you are lucky to get an FE 5080 you are coming out ahead where as the 4080 Super FEs don't exist anymore. I've been staring at the 4080 level performance for 2 years and decided to wait for a bigger upgrade. I at least want something for my wait, I'll take my +15% performance and better AI power thank you very much, along with the new shiny number on the box. Besides it's going to vary game to game, they showed a benchmark of the 5080 beating 4080 by more than 30% in FC6, that's not going to be the average uplift but don't make the mistake of thinking it's the same as the 4080. In that exact test scenario I reckon that's faster than the 4090, it's going to vary game to game.
I’m throwing my hands up at this point. Ray tracing is fucking bullshit and none of these games that will be making it required for the next handful of years will be worth a damn anyway.
Just wanna get the card I want, at a reasonable price and timeline
In this economy?
Intel might make it happen
Good luck brother
No
Olie raised an excellent point here - the fact that the die used in the 5090 is approaching the reticle limit with regard to size (at 744 square millimetres) impacts costs massively. The cost per square millimetre goes up significantly as dies become larger.
EVGA was right to jump ship. While Nvidia is making bank right now, they certainly aren’t doing any favors for anyone who works with them
You know what else is massive?
The price tag
for some people yes.
BBC
So 4090 will be the second best card on the market, in other words
I started the video, and for some reason I was thinking of hamburgers.
I cant wait to see your deep dive analysis on the transformer upscaling. It’s unbelievably good.
Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.
Question is, If i find it RTX 4090 on used under 700$ like a Palit Game Rock OC. Should i upgrade from RX 7900 XT to RTX 4090 Used under 700$ or wait for RTX 5070ti around 800$. I have 3440-1440p oled monitor by the way. Just help me guys on this.
You comparing 4090 to 5070Ti! Surely 4090 @700-800 has all the bells mate, unless you are eager and greedy for DLSS 3X frame generation. I am thinking of jumping from my 3080Ti to 5070Ti, or maybe 5080. Just my thought.
Tbh i dont think the 5070ti is going to be Close to 4090 RAW performance.
if you find a good deal on a 4090 , 100% get if you want a upgrade from a 7900xt, witch is already a good card.
the 5080 is probably going to be a 4090 replacement .
You won't lol. It's a 4090, it's not dropping below 5080 prices.
In fact it'll stay above.
@AGuy-vq9qpthat’s insane. I’d take a 5080 over a 4090 all day.
Are you guys allowed to share the arch whitepaper links, if you have them? I've been looking into GPUs with a certain level of detail since Turing.
Go to 5080 from 3080ti is good deal in 1440p monitor?
Can't really answer that without the rest of your specs. I can say there is no point in upgrading your GPU, if your CPU is a current/potential bottleneck afterward. Gaming in 4K will be less likely an issue with CPU Bottleneck, but at 1440p you could easily run into one.
I would recommend not taking advice from RUclips comments if an upgrade is viable, you’re only going to the most biased knobs. Do your own research when benchmarks become more readily available if the gain is worth the squeeze.
find a a cheaper 4080 bot super or non super beastly at 144p
Not really tbh. Wait.
as always it depends on a lot of factors. like the rest of your systems what games fo you play are you ok with using framgen. will you keep your 3080 or will you sell it.
is the 5070 worth it? if not what gpus are better at that price range?
Depends on where ur jumping from
The wild part is that no normal person is going to get a 5090 at 2k even if they wanted one and were willing to pay 2k.
You think scalpers will make it that bad even for the 5090? I remember when I got my 3090 during that one huge chip shortage, this time will be different?
@@mikedimples Yes, I dont think it will be just scalpers either. I think even if stock is available and not scalped it will still be at ridiculous prices way above msrp. The 5090 is already 2k msrp. Right now there is stock of 4090s but youd be lucky to find one under 2k even though it initially launched at 1599.
Going from 256-bit bus on 3070 to 192-bit on 5070 is disappointing.
Im gonna build a new pc for like 2000£, any recommendations?
I want a card with 16gb vram at least and seems like the best option for might be the 5070ti or the rx 9070xt
Edit: Also, was looking at cpus and found the AMD Ryzen™M 7 9800X3D for £499, do you think its worth it or overkill?
have you considered buying a used 4090. on ebay they go for 800quid.
@ADMNtek couldn't find any for that price unless damaged
See yall at microcenter next week
Took the day off bro. What time are you queuing up?
Probably around 5am I’m 3 hours from the charlotte store. Which store you going to ?
Sadly no FE cards at Microcenter and looks like board partner cards are going to be at least $200 more than MSRP. Asus Astral card is supposedly $2800. Have to assume any water cooled cards are going to be $3k.
@@randomgamer19170 same time, same store.
@@originalfate4788 they don't drop till the 30th. Are they just not selling founder cards at MC? Guess I'll go with Gigabyte
In reality Nvidia have already designed the 6090 for 2026 and it will be 75% smaller in video card dimensions.
Is there any of these GPUs in the room with us right now?
I feel like the 5090 is a repeat of the 2080TI
Disappointing gains on the previous generation, then the 60 series will see a significant jump again
Eh I don't see the comparison to the 2090ti at all.
The 5090 will be an absolute beast and provide a solid improvement when that wasn't the case with the 2000 series at launch atleast
@ there was no 2090ti
50 series was always going to be a modest performance uplift due to it being stuck on 4nm
These new gen Nvidia GPUs are a bit of a let down in terms of advancements. It seems like the CUDA and RT cores perform roughly the same as the ones on the previous gen. The only way they get noticeable performance gain is by shoving more of them, like they did with the 5090. The only components that seem to have benefited by some R&D were the Tensor cores.
well make sense they are still in the same 4nm node. all the raw performance gains come from them dumping more power into the card.
The Problem is you need to pay much more for the 5090 and Electricity bill. does not make sense
Gamers nexus proved the power difference for most people is minimal
DF ist the nextGen HSE24 TV
Getting the 5090. This seals it for me. I'm on a 3080ti and rarely use it to game. I know I'm not going to get value for the games but I also create Ai and 3D content. I just need to generate stuff faster. This looks like it's going to do it
You're gonna make XXX content right? Be honest. lol.
I think we will get 4080 super with 20GB ram and slight bump to AI and tensor cores later down the road.
That will be the 5080Super
24GB most likely. The available memory configurations on a 256bit bus are 8GB, 16GB and 24GB with 1GB, 2GB and 3GB memory modules respectively. So probably we will get a 24GB 5080 Super and 18GB 5070 at some point down the line.
@@AlexConnor_well. It's gon be exactly year from now. Right in the middle of the current gen
i see no point getting the 5070 if i have the 4070 Ti Super. Both are 16GB and have DLSS 4. Multi Frame Gen is rumored to come to 40 series.
5070 is 12 Gb.
The writing is on the wall for decreasing transistor size. Nvidia is putting their money in frame gen for a reason.
Multi GPU cards are likely to be the future
@AGuy-vq9qp to many downsides imo. Chiplet design maybe though.
@@TheIvercon we know Nvidia are working on multi gpu stuff. They’ve said as much.
12700K + 4070 ti super gang 🩵
Nvidia pushing the price a little bit? Oliver is 400 dollars a little bit for you? :D You know, RTX 4090 is 1600 dollars and now RTX 5090 is 2000 dollars.
How much more is the 70 and 80 series?
If you're buying a 90 level device $2,000 should have have been expected for a 5090.
@@kennymorelandiii9406 RTX 4080 was 1200 dollars. RTX 5080 is 1000 dollars. According to this RTX 5090 could be 1600 dollars at most, not 400 dollars more than the RTX 4090. RTX 5090 is just ridiculously expensive, admit it.
8:42 why does an Nvidia just sell the actual chips to these other card makers and let them build a complete solution around it. They should be able to choose what type of memory how much memory, the speed design a board, etc.
Think about how Intel sells a chip to Dell and Dell decides what type of system to build around it
Why are they basically selling a full on card and leaving these board partners. It makes the board partners simply companies that design a heat sink and fan
AFAIK, AIBs just get chips, PCB is their design. In GN's review of 5090 FE memory was kinda hot, don't know whether it's G7 memory or crammed PCB, cause AIB might've gone for large designs in order to reduce temperatures and their concentration.
I suspect dlss 4 has nothing to do with hardware like dlss 1 2 and 3
Listen, just don't put this on a credit card
↑ - Needs VS Wants.
1 - Do I WANT a new graphics card? Yes
2 - Can I afford a new graphics card? Yes
3 - Do I NEED a new graphics card? No
4 - Conclusion: Be content with what you have.
Yes be content but always aim for the best@kaptainkool101
Yeah just read books I guess
@nuclearthrone2497 don't fall into debt like I did, in like 2 years and my debt was $10,000
Compelling
Looking at VRAM utilisation and with a perspective for next 2-3 years, 5080 16GB is not sufficient, should have been 20-24GB. 5090 is not my cup of tea (my wallet). I am more inclined to jump to 5070Ti from my current 3080Ti, definitely not 5080 with 16GB. We have after all nVidia NIS + DLSS + FG to utilise to get 4K/Upscale 4K AAA gaming.
Games aren't even using 16gb outside of a wasteful setting on ONE outlier game. I wouldn't expect it to keep going up, especially with the new nvidia VRAM saving features.
5080 = performance of 4080 super, 979 pound vs 850-1000pound , in terms of raw power you can get 4080 super now without any regrets, unless you wanna watch fake frames..
I mean no. The 4080 is not in stock at MSRP anymore, it will down a bit on launch of 50 series but not by a drastic amount. If you are lucky to get an FE 5080 you are coming out ahead where as the 4080 Super FEs don't exist anymore. I've been staring at the 4080 level performance for 2 years and decided to wait for a bigger upgrade. I at least want something for my wait, I'll take my +15% performance and better AI power thank you very much, along with the new shiny number on the box. Besides it's going to vary game to game, they showed a benchmark of the 5080 beating 4080 by more than 30% in FC6, that's not going to be the average uplift but don't make the mistake of thinking it's the same as the 4080. In that exact test scenario I reckon that's faster than the 4090, it's going to vary game to game.
I’m throwing my hands up at this point. Ray tracing is fucking bullshit and none of these games that will be making it required for the next handful of years will be worth a damn anyway.
If you don’t think great games come out every year. The hobby has passed you by.
Honestly games have gone to shit, other than a few per year... There are definitely things to play due to PC backlog but c'mon. @@chrisbutler8856