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Kirstie Alley was NOT added to Star Trek due to her "star power" as this was her FIRST starring role, hence the "Introducing: Kirstie Alley as Lt. Savik." Wrath of Khan MADE her into a star which she parlayed into her most famous TV role on "Cheers".
Why Star Trek got the unprecedented second chance after the rejection of The Cage was in no small part due to the influence and urging of Lucille Ball.
Damn right. That lady is my hero and visionary as well as a great comedian. She saved that show. Desilu productions Desi arnez Licile Ball. I LOVE LUCY
You failed to mention that Star Trek would have died on the vine if it weren't for Lucille Ball. She overruled all of her advisers at Desilu Productions and fought for it to be made. She singlehandedly saved Star Trek from the trash bin.
That's our Lucy. One more reason to love her. It's amazing how many people i know that had no idea that Lucille Ball was responsible for producing Star Trek. A friend of mine asked me what Desi-Lu stood for. When i told him it was Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball he was in a state of shock. Of course Lucy had bought Desi's part of the company, and she's the one that gave them the nod to produce it. I read they were going to cancel Star Trek after the second season and Lucy fought tooth and nail for a third season.
This is true, Gene Roddenberry mentioned this fact in one of his biographies before he died. He also mentioned the small handwritten note Lucy sent him congratulating him on the show.
I wish Lucille Ball would have fought as hard for Nichelle Nichols during her mistreatment at the hands of certain members of the Desilu staff back then. Nichelle mentions it in her book. I feel Lucille (as a woman) should have spoken to Nichelle and told her IF she had any problems with anyone at the company, let her know about. This was 1966 and racism was very much "around" in Hollywood and every place else. She would have gained major points with me had she done this.
In mid December 1967, Desilu has changed to Paramount Television, the studio has produced & distributed many successful programs such as Star Trek, Mannix, The Andy Griffith Show, Hogan's Heroes, Mission: Impossible, My 3 Sons, Family Affair, Bonanza, Gunsmoke among others.
Grace Lee Whitney later stated that Leonard Nimoy was her pillar of support after the assault occurred. As if you needed another reason to love the Spock-Man...
I read that Grace Lee Whitney was fired because she had a problem with alcohol. She would often show up drunk and couldn't perform. She was told about it but they just got tired of it and fired her.
Was just about to say that. Cheers premiered the same year that Wrath of Khan hit theaters (1982), meaning that Kirstie was likely an unknown when cast.
You guys are all correct, she was a complete unknown with maybe one credit pre-dating TWOK. Also, although Cheers debuted in '82, she didn't join the cast of that show until after '87. (Replacing the original female lead, Shelley Long.) Not sure where the host got the "star power" idea from, but from the smell of it, my suspicion is he pulled that fact right out of his butt.
“Lost their way with” is the perfect description for Kes. Great character with so much potential, and a charismatic actor; but they clearly failed to write for her.
The real reason “Kes” was let go is that she developed serious mental health issues and was unable to function as an actor any longer. Both the producers and all of her fellow cast mates confirm this.😔
I met Robin Curtis years ago when I interviewed her for a college radio show. We spent much of the time bonding over how little we knew about Star Trek.
I saw Majel Barrett during a convention where she told the story how after the original pilot was rejected and a new pilot was ordered, she tried to get into the redo. However, because studio execs usually wouldn't want to hire back the actors in the rejected pilot (Nimoy already was an exception so her chances was even slimmer), she decided to bleach her hair blonde, changed the style, and strode into the office one day. She walked passed Gene Roddenberry and he did not recognize his own WIFE! So she used that to convince Roddenberry to try casting her using her maiden name, figuring since her own husband didn't recognizer her, what chances would any studio execs recognize that she was Number One.
I was a big fan of the original series as a kid. In 1992, I met and soon married a woman who looked exactly like a young Grace Lee Whitney (even with Janice's hairstyle). I didn't realize it until we were sitting at home one night watching an old episode. She had never watched Star Trek and as soon as Janice appeared on screen, we both looked at each other in surprise. Me calling her "Janice" became an inside joke between us from then until she passed away in 2010.
Wrath of Kahn did so well I don't think Alley was recast out of spite. You couldn't get her replacement to speak vulcan like she did with Nimoy in WofK. She was by far a better Saavik, a little more emotional like Spock since the backstory to Saavik is that she is half romulan. Her replacement in Search for Spock seemed wooden. In the looks category, Alleys icy cat eyes are to die for. Drop dead gorgeous.
Exactly! This I-never-stop-yappin dude is NOT doing his due diligence. Kirstie Alley was a brand new character as well as her FIRST starring role in anything in Hollywood. She only became (somewhat of a) name after she appeared in this ST film.
Yeah, I used to get her confused with Meg Foster and then get disappointed because she's not Meg Foster. She was in the Tom Selleck movie, which was also disappointing.
What are you taking about?!? She was once a contestant on Password Plus & then again on Match Game before her film debut in Khan! 'wasn't star power' you say?!? I mean... It doesn't get much bigger than that!!! ;D
So, my question is; how does one rocket to a supporting -lead in her first movie role? I greatly admire Kirstie Alley, but this has always puzzled me. One should pay some sort of "dues" before being shot into stardom.
"Kirstie Alley was cast to bring much-needed star power to Star Trek II" -- um...what? Kirstie Alley was a virtual unknown at the time. The opening credits even say "Introducing Kirstie Alley."
"The entire cast of the first pilot, except for Spock." (immediately shows a picture of said cast, with JAMES DOOHAN right there in the middle...) Well spotted, Adam. Really well spotted.
Chef Jack Geeks Out : so many times it is stated that only Spock survived the cast refit, yet that first cast had the actress who was second in command (Majel Barrett) who was featured as nurse Chapel in the new cast.
It's confusing because the original unaired pilot, "The Cage" (which was later folded into the two-part episode "The Menagerie"), did not have Doohan or Takei in it. The first TOS production episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," had both of them. The photo he shows is from "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It has Sally Kellerman in it, and she was not in "The Cage."
Majel Barrett was No. 1 in the Pilot, Nurse Chapel in TOS, Voice of the computer in TNG, Lwaxana Troi in TNG, and Married to Gene Roddenberry in real life
Ironically, Jeffrey Hunter died one week to the day before the last ST:TOS episode aired on NBC. If he had been retained, he might not have been making the movie where he received what turned out to be a fatal head injury.
I read his wife (acting as his agent) came into studio with a list of demands (because Hunter was a "film actor") that were unreasonable. So they went with William Shatner instead.
Spot on mate. Besides, I never liked Kirstie Alley after an interview I saw of her sometime around 92'. This was the "public" beginning of her implosion and maybe she was just being cheeky but she was just a total flake in the interview. Talking about doing lines of coke on the TWOK set, saying the main reason she married one of the Hardy Boys was because he had a massive hog, etc. She just sucks.
Barrett didn't returned until S1E7 - What Are Little Girls Made Of. She had been removed due to studio demands, it's just that Roddenberry found a way to bring her back in. Technically she had been fired along with the rest of the original pilot cast (sans Nimoy).
@@AlexandarHullRichter No. He made his first appearance in Where No Man Has Gone Before. There was another Asian actor in The Cage, but I don't even think his character had a name.
Watching it in syndication, I couldn't tell when she left the show, as the episodes aren't always played in order. I did like her character, and I liked how they addressed the woman aspect of her within the show. While she was attractive and such, she was still an officer and shouldn't be treated as an object. Or that one where the kid falls for her and she has to gently break his heart or he might destroy the Enterprise. Lots of great messages in that series, even if the era made it difficult to tell them.
I've often thought they could do a totally different ST movie....not so much a space ship action film but her life as a young lady deciding to go into Star Fleet...called Star Trek Rand. It could have potential.
I read somewhere she's the reason the uniforms for the ladies in TOS were short skirts. It was said that if she had to wear a uniform, she wanted to show off her dancer's legs.. :-) I didn't know about the assault. Absolutely horrible..
Kirstie Alley had the last laugh, though. Her replacement, Robin Curtis, had a relatively short career following Star Trek, while Kirstie went on to become a famous nutjob.
I liked Kirstie Alley's version better. There was an implied ferocity to Alley's character. The other actress was too cold and that made her uninteresting.
Yeah, I never understood the personality change. The on-set materials indicated that Saavik was half-Romulan, even though it was never mentioned in the movie--which explained her tears at the funeral. Why completely change that? It made the character more interesting, and provided little avenues that could have been potentially explored later.
It wasn't Curtis's Fault that was Nimoy and Harve Bennet. Specifically Nimoy had wanted her to play the role like Alley ie. less in control of her emotions\ more ferocious I suppose. The character was meant to be half Romulan with a Romulan father and Vulcan mother, that's why Alley was more seemed more emotional as her character did not have the full control of her emotions like a full Vulcan. Bennett didn't like Alleys performance and insisted Curtis to play the role much more understated and emotionally bereft. There was a disagreement between him and Nimoy over her portrayal with Nimoy losing out over wanting her to be true to Nicolas Meyers original vision for the charactor. So Curtis's just ended up doing what she was told to do by the Exec Producer in another example of Bennetts dumb decisions.
Erika Hernandez was captain of the NX-02 "Columbia" (the NX-01 Enterprise sister ship) in the 22nd century - but that was before Starfleet. From "Star Trek: Discovery", of course, we have seen Captain Philippa Georgiou, serving in the 23rd century on the USS Shenzhou. There are a few (certainly not many!) other female captains mentioned in the 24th centry, for example Geordi LaForge's mother Silva La Forge (USS Hera), or Captain Tryla Scott (USS Renegade), met by Picard on Dytalix B in TNG 1x25 "Conspiracy".
According to IMDB, Kirstie Alley's only role before STII, was an uncredited appearance on a TV show. Obviously not a cash grab to take the role of Saavik, but quite a big break for an unknown actress.
I can't believe they fired Yeager for the letter writing campaign stunt. Sounds to me like he figured out how to beat the no-win scenario. Hell, he deserved a spin off for original thinking on such a scale.
Sirtis claims she was almost fired near the end of season one of TNG, but since they were losing the other two female regulars, they kept her. Denise quitting probably saved Marina. You can rewatch season 1 and notice Troi absent from a few episodes, because they didn't know what to do with her at times.
If I remember correctly, The showed Janeway's predecessor in the special features of one of the DVD sets. She was totally unbelievable. Check it out of you want to see how much the believably of the show truly depends a LOT on the actors!
Hilarious. I got one of those Biff Yeager lobbying letters. Thought it was weird at the time, but I didn't join his campaign. Still strange that Miss Lifelong Star Trek Fan didn't let her eyebrows get done in the Vulcan style. Curtis did and looked the part much more than Alley.
She was making a lot more on Cheers I would imagine by the time ST3 came out. I have heard her version of the salary story more often including her comment that if she took a pay cut for a bigger role she would have to start paying the producers to be in the movie. Based on that, she shouldn't be on this list.
John Winchester3567 I had forgotten about the alcohol issue...the thing that confused me was why even bother to recast? Starfleet is large, it would have been simpler, and more logical to simply create a new character, rather than cast Robin Curtis as Savviic. But then again, they seemed determined to do that whole “pon pharr” scene, which I really wouldn’t have missed.
You're way off about them bringing Kirstey Alley in for star power. She was a virtual unknown when she did Star Trek II. She didn't become a household name (other than among Star Trek fans - we loved her) until until she started on Cheers 5 years later.
Terry Ferrell's real story is quite different from the official version. After rejecting an overture from an exec, she was frozen out--her character stopped having anything to do in scripts. Yet she had to show up at something like 4 AM every day for makeup and stay until the set shutdown, sometimes very late in the day. She did that for over a year. At some point during that, she had some quick guest-starring roles on other shows come up and she asked for a few days off, here and there, to take them and the execs said absolutely not, telling her they would view that as breach of contract. When her contract did come up for renewal, they only thing she asked for was being able to come in only when she was in the scenes they were shooting that day--or days off when she wasn't needed, provided she was given permission, and for that not to be seen as breach of contract. A bit later she was told her contract would not be renewed.
Sometime later she was at a Holiday party when the head of Paramount asked her why she asked for ridiculous money and a whole laundry lists of demands and she said that wasn't true. When she proved that to him by showing her a copy of her actual "demands," he gave her that role on Becker. She got screwed again when she was released from Becker in the later seasons (when it looked like she was going to hook up with Becker finally)--and the real reason for that was that the showrunners of Becker still resented that she was put on their show by the head of Paramount (they had a different actress in mind.)
Frankly, the writing on the wall was apparent for Jennifer Lien. I remember a TV Guide issue with a cover asking if Kes will survive. Watching her acting, it appeared that her character was one dimensional and it always sounded like her voice was dubbed in like she didn't project during filming.
@Back40Living " Not to mention the creepy vibes with neelix and her being like 4 years old" Ah c'mon dude, seriously?!! She was from a race that aged extremely fast and had a very short lifespan - she was not "4-years old" she was a fully grown, young woman in the show.. If that gives you "that kind of vibes" I think you're the creepy one. 🙄
well the story told her isn't strictly correct, originally it was Harry Kim who was going to be the one to depart, until he appeared in a top 100 sexiest list somewhere and they decided to try and capitalize on that so it was Less that went
Star Trek the Wrath of Khan was Kirstie Alley’s Debut role (aside from an appearance in one episode of short lived Sci-fi series Quark 4 years prior to the wrath of Khan) it even says in the movie that this is her debut role
Also if I recall, they actually wanted to bring back Jeffrey Hunter as Pike (along with Spock) but he didn't want to do it b/c he thought being a TV actor would diminish his prestige as a film actor. So he was not actually fired and Shatner wasn't cast until after Hunter turned them down.
You seemed to have forgotten that Majel Barrett played #1 in the pilot (which was scavenged for another episode. The one where Spock was on trial for treason because he was hijacking the Enterprise to go to an off limits Planet) she returned to play Nurse Chapel who was in love with Spock.
Majel Barrett was the one most specifically fired, the studio exec were adamant she was fired. Roddenberry just hired her back for a much much smaller role under another name and wearing a wig in the hopes they wouldn't notice because she was his partner at the time.
I thought her as Chapel was better, anyway. I'm glad she didn't fade away and radiate... And her role as Lwaxana was classic.. even non-Trekkers know her as the blustery Bajoran (oh sweet God [I am just realizing this] she is SO my mother...)
Thank you for noticing that. The fans and the producers Really hated her character of "Number 1". I thought she was a Great character. Too bad they weren't ready for a strong, intelligent female at the time. Interesting that in the first pilot, Spock was the emotional one, and She was the unemotional one....
@@maskedmarvyl4774 i actually liked her better as Nurse Chapel, bc we get to see her range. and i see what u mean, and totally respect ur pov. :D i also love strong intelligent women... but Number 1 was boring, dull, had no personality, and we're told more about her superior intelligence, but we don't see it very much. in fact, everyone else is more proactive than her/gives their ideas and is more assertive. the only time i recall seeing her be intelligent was when she and the other female officer were in the cage with Pike, and it was brief. she's more reactive than anything else. and i know that her lack of emotions were intentional, but that was the problem. too often, when a female character is often described as being: intelligent/strong, is bc she has no personality and shows no emotion... this gets tedious to see. in fact, for some of us women, it's downright annoying, bc u can't help but see, once more, that the idea of being a 'strong' woman means u have nothing to u, no spirit, no vitality, no spark. if there is nothing there to identify with, people r not even going to identify. even Spock, despite his lack of emotion, is expressive sometimes, and has energy to him. He is reactive... but he's also proactive. Number 1 is just reactive and doesn't project any energy at all. the reason that people still love Uhura to this day, besides bc she is gorgeous, is bc, the first time u see her, she has a spark to her. it's ok for her to have a feminine quality as well, and for some of us women, it's nice to know that gets appreciated. also, people blame Barret's dismissal as number 1 was for being the fact that people weren't ready for strong intelligent women back then... but there i cannot help but wonder if there is more to it than that. bc there is evidence to the contrary. in 1965, a British actress signed on to be on the show, Doctor Who. she suggested that her character be sometimes afraid and screamed at things, to make her character more 'relatable' to female viewers, since as she put it, 'strong female characters were everywhere on tv'. she wanted her role to be different than the others, for the sake of standing out and being relatable. and she was right. her character struck a chord with female and male audience members. in 1969, another actress was known for mailing a picture of herself in a bikini to tv execs, to show the studios that she could be sexy and fun, bc they were used to seeing her as the 'no-nonsense, serious, confident, assertive, woman'. and this was also after the era of Catherine Hepburn. there WERE strong intelligent woman at the time, on tv, but they all had personality to them. they had visible spunk! Number 1 appeals to a certain group of people, but not to those women and men who enjoy watching a female character with more to their personality, and with that spark that she lacked. a strong female character won't matter if she's not relatable, and especially if we are told that she's strong, but we don't see much evidence of that, bc she appears to be easily overlooked in her scenes, and is only there to often give confirmation to things that have been discussed by others. at the end of the day, i think it was all down to the writing she was given, but back then, no one knew how to explain that to themselves, so it was chalked up to good ole' lack of progressivism. of course, there is sexism in the industry, and in audiences, but i still believe that it might have been more complicated. but each to his own.
@Patrick Names If you want it that way everyone from the first pilot was fired. But it was a network test pilot nothing is written in stone. It was basically a job interview not a greenlite series she'd been on for 13 episodes.
Lasted a day and a half..... How does one not know the demands of American TV filming back in the 90's when a single season could have 22+ episodes?! Mind-blowing
You really missed something!! Majel Barrett who played #1 in the pilot and was also Nurse Christine Chapel in the series and the voice of the computer. She was Gene Roddenberrys second wife as well. She also appeared in some of the movies. She was NEVER fired and would never be as the creators wife has job security.
@Geary Kunkel Lucille Ball had it going on. She knew how to get it done and how to manage things, quietly if needed. Also, I thought she was very talented.
@Geary Kunkel Yep, Hogan's Heroes was made by Desilu and in at least one episode they reused the Enterprise's passageways for the hallways of a Nazi laboratory building, even though it's repainted, the distinctive triangular door openings are clearly the Enterprise set.
Yep. The packaging for the "black" VHS copies (the ones that form a picture of the Enterprise when lined up) also stated it was her "motion picture debut."
I can verify this. When I saw TWOK in '82 (IIRC), I had NO idea who Kirstie Alley was. It was the first time I had ever seen her, and knew her as 'that Uber-mega-hawt Vulcan chick'. I was SO looking forward to her return in STIII...and what I got was that other chick who was wooden as a 2 x 4. Who I HATED. Because she was TERRIBLE. Then of course, she ended up on "Cheers", where I knew her as "the chick who used to be the Uber-mega-hawt Vulcan chick".
Until Nicholas Meyer approached Kirstie to return as Saavik for "Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country (1991). Unfortunately Kirstie proved unavailable and Nick Meyer chose Kim Cattrall who insisted on character name change to Valeris and look more resembling Spock with bob hairdo and hair band to differentiate. Meyer had no interest in using Robin Curtis as Saavik from Trek3 & 4.
I felt that something had to be done with the Kes character anyway. Her species was only supposed to live 10 years. So it would have gotten weird with her needing to be aged with makeup or something. Or, they would have needed to come up with a plot device to explain why that wasn't happening. They saved themselves from that headache and we got 7 of 9 to look at. Sorry to Jennifer Lien though.
I guess they‘ve been told to sex up the show. They tried that with Kes in the last season she‘s a regular and for myself I have to say I liked it. But it seems it wasn‘t enough for the powers to be. So they brought in some nice tits and ass (from THEIR view. I think Jery did a terrific acting job!), strapped that in a corset and shoved her in front of the camera in an „ugly duckling“ story, making an even greater impact.
@@larrywt656 My bad. It was her unfortunate run in with the law that I was thinking of. I remembered that in the news and my brain morphed that into an announcement of her death. My apologies to Ms. Lien. Live long and prosper.
@@larrywt656 To say she is well, at present, is a contention that's hard to substantiate, as repeated long-term interventions of serious mental health treatment, somewhat incredibly countenanced by Tennessee's criminal justice system, have yet to be conclusively shown to have been effective. In fact, while I'm unaware of the disposition of this past Thursday's court action (continued over a number of times), she's once again dealing with a charge (thankfully pretty minor in this instance) for about the fifth time in the past 8 years. You may define such a record, as positive evidence of someone's wellbeing, but I'm a bit more dubious, sorry to say.
I remember going to a very rare Star Trek convention here in Sydney 🇦🇺 about 1998. It was held at the Sydney Opera House, probably 3-4 thousand attended, the two (2) guests were Jennifer Lien (Kes, Voyager) who after 5 minutes made it clear that she did not want to be there, not answering questions and being ultimately rude to the host and all of us who paid to see her. She was asked to leave the stage and the amazing Patrick Stewart (Picard) came on stage early and stayed for what must have been 2 hours, talking, chatting and being the true professional. Patrick made the day for many of us trekkies back then. Cheers.
I feel bad for you: there was Kes, who played this dramatic important character...oh, Kes ist the name of the character, on what show was she again? And then Stewart, who played the Captain of Star Trek TNG, the show that made me a Trekkie, and who is _the_ Captain for me. Who cares about this Lien, if you got the real deal. Only Brent Spiner or Nimoy had been of equal interest.
And here I thought that Marina Siritis was the worst Trek actor guest. (Technically I haven't seen Lien so that is still true, and I understand Marina has improved in recent years.) I hate to say it, but the drugs Lien was doing might have been an influence even then...???
@@loulfw2513 Perhaps some of series 1 - 2 of TNG Marina Sirtis may not have been that experienced? Not sure, but certainly by the time of the last few series and the 4 motion pictures turned up she was far better. I still have not seen the ‘Picard’ series with Sir Pat and 7 of 9 Jeri Ryan, I must try and find out which Co down here in AU and the cost etc?
Sorry, have to find out which Co is selling Picard here and try to see it. It was such a great loss when we lost D’Forest and Leonard. I really love the original movies, Khan, Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country. Cheers.
@@petehoskins1267 I saw her appear well after TNG hit its fitting in the 90s. But like I said, maybe she got better. She was arrogant, dismissive, rude and unfriendly. As it recall, both Frakes and spiner were wonderful. Sadly, it's been a few years since there have been any conventions in this country at all
Kristie Alley was not fired, she was recast because her agent want more money for her in next movie, and production of Star trek III. could not or did not want to afford it.
Honestly, when i think of Saavik, i keep putting Kristie Alley in it. Nothing against the actress that replaced her, i just think Kristie did a better performance....
It doesn't. I just noted how badly they choose the replacement. Besides that One Star Trek movie, has she HONESTLY been in anymore? No, but Kristie Alley had the presence to've been in at least one-two more.
@@johnnysizemore5797 i was actually talking to Daniel lol. he said kirstie "wasnt fired she was recast"... that still narrows it down to fired or quit lol. shes on this list, im sure Adam did his research. She was fired. "let go" and "replaced" and recast means fired. recast can mean quit as well. lose an actor for any reason, you recast the part or drop the character or drop the project entirely. i guess technically if the project hadnt started yet, Allie wasnt technically emplyed with them "yet" but was still the actor known as Saavik, being recast after negotiations, that in itself is "we dont want you, piss off" equals a firing to me.
@@killwalker This is a muddy one. I don't think she was fired and she didn't quit. The contract negotiations broke down and she did not return to the role. The end result, of course, is that we didn't get to see the awesome Saavik again (Robin Curtis was good, but didn't feel like the same character).
I wouldn’t consider Kristy Alley fired, just a contract negotiation issue, she went on and became a bigger star, Star Trek could have hurt her career if she signed on for another film. She was smart and right for doing it
In the Case of Jenifer Lien, I also heard that she was the Second Choice to be let go. Their First choice was Garret Wang. But he was featured in a Magazine that year as one of the sexiest men alive (I don't remember which magazine), so they felt he had some star power behind him. So the decided to let Lien go instead. It was rather Cordial as I remember. They just told her she wont be back for Season 4, and she just said "ok."
Garrett Wang has said that the producers were leaning towards getting rid of Harry Kim, not Kes, but then over the summer he was named as on of People magazine's 50 Most Beautiful People and the added publicity from that probably saved his job.
@@vic5015 or a Romulan "Jolun Tru" though that's more of a greeting if I'm not mistaken.... by context I've heard it used it just means greetings or good day something like that...[star trek online is where i heard it most] Qa'pla is a good phrase too though it's meaning is "Success" or there's Kijol which means "mean me aboard" I love when simple phrases say full sentences, it's like how???? but English really is a ponderous language, we say less with more words while at least 60% of the world says more with a fraction of the words lolz like Japanese Kanji you can have the same basic structure but many variations of markings which drastically add to it or change the meaning.... and some languages invert the saying or say it backwards like Spanish says things kinda inverted backwards lol French too to an extent like Le Fussil Terribles translates as the terrible shotgun i English but the placement of words le is the, fussil is shotgun and terribles is terrible another similar phrase, Le Enfant Terribles, translates as the terrible children....same structure le, the Enfant, Child/children terribles, terrible.... not a linguist, this is just off what I've picked up on, nevermind me, I'm being a bit of a dorky snob..... Qa'pla is a standard klingon phrase like iconic phrase, use it with pride but now you know it means success lolz shout it next timne you beat a game QA'PLA!! lolz
That was Gene's story. Solow and Justman said different. The Cage was more designed to appeal to CBS. WNMHGB was rolled to fit NBC as a companion piece to "The Man from Uncle" and Bonanza style action adventure. GR was a pretty big imaginer of history. There is another word for that.
@@2bituser569 they were character actors. They would have performed as directed. Shatner was in a lot of things before Star Trek. Sometimes quite cerebral or introspective. Sometimes The Shat. Eventually the Star Trek producers wanted The Shat. Remember he started out as the professional officer that was a bookworm at the academy. Mitchell was the horny flyboy.
@@2bituser569 I heard that. Hunter wasn't fired, he got a role in King of Kings and chose that. Shatner & Nimoy had much better chemistry though, even Nimoy said as much, he could play the straight man to Kirk's wild west style.
As was Kim Cattrall as Lt. Valeris in Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country. Can you believe it? The same actress in Mannequin and Big Trouble in Little China!
She sure was. I feel she got the nuances of her character perfectly. Saavik being half-romulan meant that Kirsties 'emotional' acting was far better then the very stiff, I would say boring, acting from Robin Curtis.
That's very bizarre about Denise Crosby. I met her at a convention and she specifically said her reason for leaving was to take care of her daughter. I wonder which was the real reason, or maybe it was both.
Paul Fix who played the Doctor in the pilot was thought to be to stereotyped because of doing so many westerns. The irony of that statement is DeForest Kelly was almost strictly westerns from the late 1940’s until the early 1960’s. He received the Golden Boot award shortly after his death in 1999.
Star-Trek-y signoff, comeon... Live Long and Prosper is both a greeting and a goodbye. And with the whole corona-stuff going on, it also seems like a quite decent overall greeting. It's contact-less, optimistic and encouraging. It is quite the most logical means.
Jens Droessler Data asked a Picard that question in a gotcha scene about sf being able to examine him to make more androids like him. Geordi needs it he is blind
i've said the same thing in my videos :D. i always wished that he had been saved somehow and continued to be on the Enterprise. from the second u meet him, u get the sense that he's a good character, and good foil for Kirk and Spock. i bet it was one of those things where the script was written, Gary was cast, and then everyone was like... damn! missed opportunity there!
A tiny bit of research might be warranted before making these videos. Kirstie Alley did not have "star power" of any sort when she was cast as Saavik. Aside from a small uncredited role on the TV series Quark (no relation to our favorite Ferengi), the only thing she'd done prior to Trek was appear as a contestant on the game show Match Game.
Star Trek II's opening credits show "Introducing Kirstie Alley". Studios do that when they are introducing someone in their first movie role that they think is going to be a future star. She was an unknown at the time.
really, i never thought Pulaski, fit in, with the rest of the crew. maybe the writing. I like Beverly Crusher as a character better. they destroyed Wesley, by using him as a crutch, way too often.
@@aeroengguy448 To each their own. I liked her in both the TOS episodes she appeared in. Unfortunately the poor woman didn't age well. In a mere 20 years, she went from hot to not. Either way, I thought her character on TNG was great.
@@martinhanke1670 Well, I didn't "dislike" Beverly Crusher. I just liked Pulaski a little better. But unfortunately, I hated Wesley. Worst character ever. A spoiled whinny brat. But that's another issue. 😁
Actually, it was stated in a documentary about Actor Jeffrey Hunter that the network did like him along with Nimoy but his wife at the time was against him going to television because she felt he should stay a film actor. So, he went along with her wishes , Pike was written out and Kirk was created.
How exactly was Kirstie Alley fired? The situation was the similar to the one with Marina Sirtis, except that with the latter, they came to a negotiation. Not agreeing on financial compensation is not the same as getting fired.
yea i never thought she was a good actress, but i also dont think america was ready for a FEMALE SECURITY OFFICER, not when you had a klingon as your assistant
How about we hear the real number of Female Starship captains? Bujold would have been number three, with Janeway as number four. Previously, Madge Sinclair, in ST4, played the unnamed captain of USS Saratoga. Then, Enterprise-C had a Female captain, Rachel Garrett. Taking nothing away from Mulgrew - she was an astoundingly good captain - but NOT the first Female captain.
Garrett Wang (Ensign Kim from VOY) was scheduled to be fired, but a magazine article listed him as one of the most eligible bachelors just days before they were going to tell him, so they decided not to fire him. He was reportedly about to be fired for bad work ethic.
Gates McFadden was my favorite character in Star Trek TNG. I was very puzzled when she disappeared for a while. It took years until I learned what happened. I was glad when she returned to the series.
We'll probably never know what really did happen seeing as another version of "the truth" I had heard it was Roddenberry himself that wanted her gone and that's exactly what he did. So got me.
Majel Barrett who played #1 in the pilot later became Nurse Chapel and the voice for the computer and Lwaxana Troy on TNG but her biggest role in the Franchise might be as Mrs. gene Roddenberry.
You’re forgetting Majel barret wasn’t fired as such, her role changed from no.1 to nurse chapel and the computer. That’s what happens when your married to the boss
Majel Barret did the computer voice on all of the star ships except the Excelsior. She also Played Luoxanna Troy. Dianna Troy's mother. I thought it was great that she was an MD in The Motion Picture.
Majel Barrett (please spell and punctuate her name correctly) was the OPPOSITE of fired, she was bulletproof... "the First Lady of Star Trek" participated in every incarnation of Star Trek during her lifetime.
She was *not* married to the boss. In fact, if I have my dates right, she was having an AFFAIR with the boss at the time. (So was Nichelle.) I checked. She did not marry gene until after Star Trek was off the air.
I thought Kes and Seven of Nine would have had a great relationship. Kes would have Mentored Seven of Nine like she did the doctors. They would have been great friends. Maybe since Kes's species have very short lives- she could have died from old age tragically or maybe the Doctor could have found a way to keep Kes alive longer.
the rumours at the time were Garrett Wang's mother (hearing that he might be dropped from the show) called the producers and begged or threatened them. It worked. (Garrett himself denies this, and I met his parents so I don';t THINK that happened.)
Could have been an interesting story arc. Seven uses her Borg nanotechnology and implants to increase Kes's lifespan. As Seven becomes more human, Kes becomes more Borg-ish. Then Kes is somehow zapped backwards in time to become the original Borg Queen.
Seriously? They fired the person who was ASSAULTED? Grace Lee Whitney deserved to have the person JAILED and compensation for crying out loud! That's about right. And not just for the time unfortunately. It still happens. Men.
I personally liked Pulaski a WHOLE lot more than Crusher. In her short run, she actually had a great character arc, with her warming up to Data. And other than that, Crusher is just annoying. Constantly putting her crew in danger. Anywhere between 2 to 10 people, she puts in danger to treat some guy, in the middle of a firefight, and shit like that. Yeah, a doctor with heath is great. But Crusher is like 90% hearth and 10% logic. She would have been the first person to be kicked off the ship, because she was unable to follow the rules and orders. Pulaski just felt more like an actual believable doctor.
Speaking as a Canadian and a Trek fan, I'd never heard of that original Janeway actress before she was cast. I remember when she was cast for the show and not a single person I knew had ever heard of that woman. We of course had all heard of Mrs Colombo, though. 😁
If you mean the picture at 11:22 yes that is Sulu. It's a still from the second pilot Where No Man Has Gone Before. Kirk & Scotty are in the picture too.
Kids, I know this may be hard to believe, but in 1982 Kirstie Alley was one of the hottest women alive. Also, about that time Michael Jackson was the coolest person on planet earth.
Spock was fired… in a modified photon torpedo casing, towards the Genesis planet at the end of The Wrath of Khan...
Just about everyone in the original series was fired
LOL......LITERALLY !!
(slow clap, standing ovation)
Well if you want to get that technical so did Susie Plakson (K’Ehleyr) in Star Trek TNG episode the emissary
You're being illogical. Spock was a character, not an actor.
Kirstie Alley was NOT added to Star Trek due to her "star power" as this was her FIRST starring role, hence the "Introducing: Kirstie Alley as Lt. Savik." Wrath of Khan MADE her into a star which she parlayed into her most famous TV role on "Cheers".
Saavik
@@guidotillmann7765 Mister Saavik😂
do you not remember "North and South"?
@@billsedlock5357 North and South was three years after The Wrath of Khan.
"Starring" is a little generous.
Why Star Trek got the unprecedented second chance after the rejection of The Cage was in no small part due to the influence and urging of Lucille Ball.
Damn right. That lady is my hero and visionary as well as a great comedian. She saved that show. Desilu productions Desi arnez Licile Ball. I LOVE LUCY
Mr. Argyle , Scottish lady engineer , ( shadows of Mr. Scott)
Dr.Polasky was another Dr.McCoy.
Really? I had no idea.
@@johnbockelie3899 hey, it worked the first time. And Diana Muldaur actually guested on TOS.
You failed to mention that Star Trek would have died on the vine if it weren't for Lucille Ball. She overruled all of her advisers at Desilu Productions and fought for it to be made. She singlehandedly saved Star Trek from the trash bin.
That's our Lucy. One more reason to love her. It's amazing how many people i know that had no idea that Lucille Ball was responsible for producing Star Trek. A friend of mine asked me what Desi-Lu stood for. When i told him it was Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball he was in a state of shock. Of course Lucy had bought Desi's part of the company, and she's the one that gave them the nod to produce it. I read they were going to cancel Star Trek after the second season and Lucy fought tooth and nail for a third season.
ALL HAIL LUCILLE! ALL HAIL LUCILLE!
I knew it was her production. I did not know she fought (or had to fight) that hard for Trek. good on her!
Lucille Ball the first Trekie!
This is true, Gene Roddenberry mentioned this fact in one of his biographies before he died. He also mentioned the small handwritten note Lucy sent him congratulating him on the show.
Kirstie Alley was drummed out of Starfleet and ended up running a bar in Boston ;)
Nah, Cheers! is just a holodeck simulation of a 20th century bar.
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@@chromedog68 this changes everything
@@loulfw2513 Thank you :)
@@jonmyers8046 game respects game. I am a comic (among other things) myself
You can thank Lucille Ball for Star Trek. It was her production company and her in particular that pushed the show.
But she misunderstood the concept.
@@chamonix2602 I don't understand why that even matters now
It was her and Desi Arnez production company that's why called Desilu short for Desi and Lucy.
I wish Lucille Ball would have fought as hard for Nichelle Nichols during her mistreatment at the hands of certain members of the Desilu staff back then. Nichelle mentions it in her book. I feel Lucille (as a woman) should have spoken to Nichelle and told her IF she had any problems with anyone at the company, let her know about. This was 1966 and racism was very much "around" in Hollywood and every place else. She would have gained major points with me had she done this.
In mid December 1967, Desilu has changed to Paramount Television, the studio has produced & distributed many successful programs such as Star Trek, Mannix, The Andy Griffith Show, Hogan's Heroes,
Mission: Impossible, My 3 Sons, Family Affair, Bonanza, Gunsmoke among others.
Grace Lee Whitney later stated that Leonard Nimoy was her pillar of support after the assault occurred.
As if you needed another reason to love the Spock-Man...
Yeah but who committed the assault?
I read that Grace Lee Whitney was fired because she had a problem with alcohol. She would often show up drunk and couldn't perform. She was told about it but they just got tired of it and fired her.
I met Grace Lee Whitney once, and it was most unmemorable. She was a bigoted b-tch.
@@SniffHeinkel not an actor, an executive. the real question is who assaulted Teri Garr?
@@imperiallebaron2391 that too, and drugs. But I ThOUGHT that came LATER.
I wouldn't say they were looking for star power by casting Kirstie Alley in Wrath of Kahn, seeing how it was the first film she ever did.
The opening credits even specify they were "Introducing Kirstie Alley".
Was just about to say that. Cheers premiered the same year that Wrath of Khan hit theaters (1982), meaning that Kirstie was likely an unknown when cast.
You guys are all correct, she was a complete unknown with maybe one credit pre-dating TWOK. Also, although Cheers debuted in '82, she didn't join the cast of that show until after '87. (Replacing the original female lead, Shelley Long.) Not sure where the host got the "star power" idea from, but from the smell of it, my suspicion is he pulled that fact right out of his butt.
her second role, per IMDB the TV show Quark was her first acting job
John Coffelt First movie role is different. That’s why the credits in Khan said “introducing.”
“Lost their way with” is the perfect description for Kes. Great character with so much potential, and a charismatic actor; but they clearly failed to write for her.
The real reason “Kes” was let go is that she developed serious mental health issues and was unable to function as an actor any longer. Both the producers and all of her fellow cast mates confirm this.😔
@@DoubleMrE It was the other way around. Her storyline died, she was underused and they wrote her out. Later, she suffered mental health problems.
I met Robin Curtis years ago when I interviewed her for a college radio show. We spent much of the time bonding over how little we knew about Star Trek.
When my ex wife made me watch Orange is the New Black I just pretended Janeway was stuck in one of those time travel episodes.
Lol.
She gained a scooch of weight, check out recent clips of Richard Dean Anderson.
"Why does Janeway have a Russian accent? First she was French-Canadian, then American, now Russian? What's her name this time, Катeрина Джейнвей?"
@@johnmoldoch1057 Anderson retired from acting because of health issues, so he can't be looking that great.
WTF is this orange is black bullshit all about anyways? My woman tried to get me to sit through that too.
I saw Majel Barrett during a convention where she told the story how after the original pilot was rejected and a new pilot was ordered, she tried to get into the redo. However, because studio execs usually wouldn't want to hire back the actors in the rejected pilot (Nimoy already was an exception so her chances was even slimmer), she decided to bleach her hair blonde, changed the style, and strode into the office one day. She walked passed Gene Roddenberry and he did not recognize his own WIFE! So she used that to convince Roddenberry to try casting her using her maiden name, figuring since her own husband didn't recognizer her, what chances would any studio execs recognize that she was Number One.
They weren’t married until after the series ended
Lucille loved leonards laff & whole attitude about the show
She wasn't his wife.
Apparently he preferred blonds 😂
pretty sure they were not married back then, since she was sharing him with Nichelle Nichols...
I was a big fan of the original series as a kid. In 1992, I met and soon married a woman who looked exactly like a young Grace Lee Whitney (even with Janice's hairstyle). I didn't realize it until we were sitting at home one night watching an old episode. She had never watched Star Trek and as soon as Janice appeared on screen, we both looked at each other in surprise. Me calling her "Janice" became an inside joke between us from then until she passed away in 2010.
I am a lesbian
RIP
@@batheandrelaxinmyshit6344 I was looking to become one as well
@@loulfw2513 You will need to have fish fingers
You have my sympathies I’m sorry she had to pass away on you
Wrath of Kahn did so well I don't think Alley was recast out of spite. You couldn't get her replacement to speak vulcan like she did with Nimoy in WofK. She was by far a better Saavik, a little more emotional like Spock since the backstory to Saavik is that she is half romulan. Her replacement in Search for Spock seemed wooden. In the looks category, Alleys icy cat eyes are to die for. Drop dead gorgeous.
Kirstie wasn't "star power", she was unknown in 1982.
Exactly! This I-never-stop-yappin dude is NOT doing his due diligence. Kirstie Alley was a brand new character as well as her FIRST starring role in anything in Hollywood. She only became (somewhat of a) name after she appeared in this ST film.
Yeah, I used to get her confused with Meg Foster and then get disappointed because she's not Meg Foster. She was in the Tom Selleck movie, which was also disappointing.
@@flashrobbie Runaway with Gene Simmons of KISS and the replicators
What are you taking about?!? She was once a contestant on Password Plus & then again on Match Game before her film debut in Khan! 'wasn't star power' you say?!? I mean... It doesn't get much bigger than that!!! ;D
So, my question is; how does one rocket to a supporting -lead in her first movie role?
I greatly admire Kirstie Alley, but this has always puzzled me.
One should pay some sort of "dues" before being shot into stardom.
Seems like a lot of those people weren't fired, so much as just didn't renew contracts, or return for sequels.
Sounds very clickbaity
Thx, I won't waste my time.
If you don’t sign this contract and agree to return to work, yer fir’d!
Kurt L
That’s not the same as being fired.
2BitUser lol, yeah I was being sarcastic
"Kirstie Alley was cast to bring much-needed star power to Star Trek II" -- um...what? Kirstie Alley was a virtual unknown at the time. The opening credits even say "Introducing Kirstie Alley."
She was a smoking hot Vulcan... It was a good choice.
GREAT CATCH! Our "expert" isn't really as expert as he lets on.
"The entire cast of the first pilot, except for Spock."
(immediately shows a picture of said cast, with JAMES DOOHAN right there in the middle...)
Well spotted, Adam. Really well spotted.
Chef Jack Geeks Out : so many times it is stated that only Spock survived the cast refit, yet that first cast had the actress who was second in command (Majel Barrett) who was featured as nurse Chapel in the new cast.
@@slcRN1971 She also had a role in every movie and series as the voice of the computer.
It's confusing because the original unaired pilot, "The Cage" (which was later folded into the two-part episode "The Menagerie"), did not have Doohan or Takei in it. The first TOS production episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before," had both of them. The photo he shows is from "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It has Sally Kellerman in it, and she was not in "The Cage."
Majel Barrett was No. 1 in the Pilot, Nurse Chapel in TOS, Voice of the computer in TNG, Lwaxana Troi in TNG, and Married to Gene Roddenberry in real life
The mistake is that's the cast of the 2nd pilot, not the 1st.
Ironically, Jeffrey Hunter died one week to the day before the last ST:TOS episode aired on NBC. If he had been retained, he might not have been making the movie where he received what turned out to be a fatal head injury.
He received the head injury from fall at his home.
I read his wife (acting as his agent) came into studio with a list of demands (because Hunter was a "film actor") that were unreasonable. So they went with William Shatner instead.
No the timeline would change.. please watch some Star Trek :D
Dr. Crusher's scenes were always perfect. It's crazy she was fired.
True, but Wesley was ALWAYS embarrassing to watch.
Kirstie Alley was NOT "star power" at the time she was cast in TWOK. The film was her first major movie role.
Absolutely. I was thinking that as well. It was years before Cheers.
Spot on mate. Besides, I never liked Kirstie Alley after an interview I saw of her sometime around 92'. This was the "public" beginning of her implosion and maybe she was just being cheeky but she was just a total flake in the interview. Talking about doing lines of coke on the TWOK set, saying the main reason she married one of the Hardy Boys was because he had a massive hog, etc. She just sucks.
I'm not a Trekkie and even I knew that.
They retained two actors (not just one), from the Pilot Episode.
Leonard Nimoy and Majel Barrett.
but her character was changed completely. she than married gene. job secured.
@@martinhanke1670 But the title is *actors* who were fired, not characters.
She became a different character, but she was still the same actor.
Barrett didn't returned until S1E7 - What Are Little Girls Made Of. She had been removed due to studio demands, it's just that Roddenberry found a way to bring her back in. Technically she had been fired along with the rest of the original pilot cast (sans Nimoy).
Wasn't George Tekei the cage too?
@@AlexandarHullRichter No. He made his first appearance in Where No Man Has Gone Before. There was another Asian actor in The Cage, but I don't even think his character had a name.
Grace Lee Whitney did a great job. Saddest one.
Watching it in syndication, I couldn't tell when she left the show, as the episodes aren't always played in order. I did like her character, and I liked how they addressed the woman aspect of her within the show. While she was attractive and such, she was still an officer and shouldn't be treated as an object. Or that one where the kid falls for her and she has to gently break his heart or he might destroy the Enterprise. Lots of great messages in that series, even if the era made it difficult to tell them.
@@williamj.bagnall4564 find a station that airs them in production, not aired, order. Both CBC and Vermont's WVNY did it in the 70s
I've often thought they could do a totally different ST movie....not so much a space ship action film but her life as a young lady deciding to go into Star Fleet...called Star Trek Rand. It could have potential.
@Deborah Shaw You're probably right.
I read somewhere she's the reason the uniforms for the ladies in TOS were short skirts. It was said that if she had to wear a uniform, she wanted to show off her dancer's legs.. :-) I didn't know about the assault. Absolutely horrible..
Kirstie Alley had the last laugh, though. Her replacement, Robin Curtis, had a relatively short career following Star Trek, while Kirstie went on to become a famous nutjob.
Yes but she was a good looking nutjob. She was hot as a Vulcan.
Alley went on to serve as a detractor to Xenu too.
A nutjob? Last laugh indeed. Ha, ha!
Robin Curtis is now selling real estate in upstate New York
@@Diversity646 Not bad at all.
I liked Kirstie Alley's version better. There was an implied ferocity to Alley's character. The other actress was too cold and that made her uninteresting.
Exactly. Robin Curtis made the character boring. Was disappointed when I saw that movie.
In just a few words, you characterized Alley's appeal very appropriately. Thank you. I liked her, too.
Yeah, I never understood the personality change. The on-set materials indicated that Saavik was half-Romulan, even though it was never mentioned in the movie--which explained her tears at the funeral. Why completely change that? It made the character more interesting, and provided little avenues that could have been potentially explored later.
Alley was better looking as well
It wasn't Curtis's Fault that was Nimoy and Harve Bennet. Specifically Nimoy had wanted her to play the role like Alley ie. less in control of her emotions\ more ferocious I suppose. The character was meant to be half Romulan with a Romulan father and Vulcan mother, that's why Alley was more seemed more emotional as her character did not have the full control of her emotions like a full Vulcan. Bennett didn't like Alleys performance and insisted Curtis to play the role much more understated and emotionally bereft. There was a disagreement between him and Nimoy over her portrayal with Nimoy losing out over wanting her to be true to Nicolas Meyers original vision for the charactor. So Curtis's just ended up doing what she was told to do by the Exec Producer in another example of Bennetts dumb decisions.
Didn't the enterprise C have a female captain in yesterdays enterprise?
It did
Yep, Cpt. Rachel Garrett
Yesterday's Enterprise had a female captain. Rachel Garrett was the captain of the Enterprise NCC.- 1701 -C. Ambassodor. Class.
Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home showed a female captain of the USS Saratoga. Short role, but still valid.
Erika Hernandez was captain of the NX-02 "Columbia" (the NX-01 Enterprise sister ship) in the 22nd century - but that was before Starfleet. From "Star Trek: Discovery", of course, we have seen Captain Philippa Georgiou, serving in the 23rd century on the USS Shenzhou. There are a few (certainly not many!) other female captains mentioned in the 24th centry, for example Geordi LaForge's mother Silva La Forge (USS Hera), or Captain Tryla Scott (USS Renegade), met by Picard on Dytalix B in TNG 1x25 "Conspiracy".
Kirsty Alley didn't get fired, she didn't accept their offer to return
Either way I'm grateful; she was awful
She also wasn't hired for "star power" as is indicated in this video, Wrath of Khan was Alley's first major role.
I liked the portrayal by Robin Curtis as Saavik way better.
According to Nimoy’s book, she demanded more than what Deforest Kelly was getting paid.
@@alanguages I totally agree. Robin Curtis was far better looking too.
According to IMDB, Kirstie Alley's only role before STII, was an uncredited appearance on a TV show. Obviously not a cash grab to take the role of Saavik, but quite a big break for an unknown actress.
Kirstie Alley wasn't a "star" yet when TWOK was made. I don't think she really gained notoriety until "Cheers" or the "Look Who's Talking" crapfest.
I can't believe they fired Yeager for the letter writing campaign stunt. Sounds to me like he figured out how to beat the no-win scenario. Hell, he deserved a spin off for original thinking on such a scale.
Yep. Should have been given his own star ship for his "Kobayashi Maru" tactic.
I saw some footage of Genevieve Bujold as Janeway; she wasn't very good, wooden as all hell.
i saw a comparison, with each doing several scenes, and mulgrew was so much better in every scene. can't remember which vlog it was though.
I'saw the Bujold footage, and I agree she looked surprisingly uncomfortable in the role.
She was horrible!
I saw that footage on RUclips. Mulgrew just came in and owned that part. She's my favorite captain.
@@AvoidsPikes- Me too!
"One to beam up" would be a logical sign off.
Sirtis claims she was almost fired near the end of season one of TNG, but since they were losing the other two female regulars, they kept her. Denise quitting probably saved Marina. You can rewatch season 1 and notice Troi absent from a few episodes, because they didn't know what to do with her at times.
If I remember correctly, The showed Janeway's predecessor in the special features of one of the DVD sets. She was totally unbelievable. Check it out of you want to see how much the believably of the show truly depends a LOT on the actors!
I did see that...She was terrible...Kate was more suited
Hilarious. I got one of those Biff Yeager lobbying letters. Thought it was weird at the time, but I didn't join his campaign.
Still strange that Miss Lifelong Star Trek Fan didn't let her eyebrows get done in the Vulcan style. Curtis did and looked the part much more than Alley.
Kirstie Alley wasn't fired. She didn't return due to other commitments and wanting a salary increase.
She was making a lot more on Cheers I would imagine by the time ST3 came out. I have heard her version of the salary story more often including her comment that if she took a pay cut for a bigger role she would have to start paying the producers to be in the movie. Based on that, she shouldn't be on this list.
Being bombed on cocaine the entire time didn’t exactly endear her to the production crew....
John Winchester3567 I had forgotten about the alcohol issue...the thing that confused me was why even bother to recast? Starfleet is large, it would have been simpler, and more logical to simply create a new character, rather than cast Robin Curtis as Savviic. But then again, they seemed determined to do that whole “pon pharr” scene, which I really wouldn’t have missed.
@@mdteletom1288 Kirstie Allie didn't appear on Cheers until 1987. Star Trek III premiered in 1984.
@@joelellis7035 Thank you, I love fact checkers, as I am one as well.
You're way off about them bringing Kirstey Alley in for star power. She was a virtual unknown when she did Star Trek II. She didn't become a household name (other than among Star Trek fans - we loved her) until until she started on Cheers 5 years later.
Terry Ferrell's real story is quite different from the official version. After rejecting an overture from an exec, she was frozen out--her character stopped having anything to do in scripts. Yet she had to show up at something like 4 AM every day for makeup and stay until the set shutdown, sometimes very late in the day. She did that for over a year. At some point during that, she had some quick guest-starring roles on other shows come up and she asked for a few days off, here and there, to take them and the execs said absolutely not, telling her they would view that as breach of contract. When her contract did come up for renewal, they only thing she asked for was being able to come in only when she was in the scenes they were shooting that day--or days off when she wasn't needed, provided she was given permission, and for that not to be seen as breach of contract. A bit later she was told her contract would not be renewed.
Sometime later she was at a Holiday party when the head of Paramount asked her why she asked for ridiculous money and a whole laundry lists of demands and she said that wasn't true. When she proved that to him by showing her a copy of her actual "demands," he gave her that role on Becker. She got screwed again when she was released from Becker in the later seasons (when it looked like she was going to hook up with Becker finally)--and the real reason for that was that the showrunners of Becker still resented that she was put on their show by the head of Paramount (they had a different actress in mind.)
@@dlschgo it just sounds like she got a raw deal all around can’t blame her from wanting to do other shows then
Frankly, the writing on the wall was apparent for Jennifer Lien. I remember a TV Guide issue with a cover asking if Kes will survive. Watching her acting, it appeared that her character was one dimensional and it always sounded like her voice was dubbed in like she didn't project during filming.
100% agreed. I (nearly) stopped watching mainly because of those two. My interest was so so low.
@Back40Living " Not to mention the creepy vibes with neelix and her being like 4 years old" Ah c'mon dude, seriously?!! She was from a race that aged extremely fast and had a very short lifespan - she was not "4-years old" she was a fully grown, young woman in the show.. If that gives you "that kind of vibes" I think you're the creepy one. 🙄
well the story told her isn't strictly correct, originally it was Harry Kim who was going to be the one to depart, until he appeared in a top 100 sexiest list somewhere and they decided to try and capitalize on that so it was Less that went
Kirstie Alley was nobody before that film, so it wasn't for star power.
She still is nobody...lol.
@@johndaugherty7465 True, I can only remember one other movie she was in without cheating and the TV show Cheers.
Rumour was she quit because was tired of fighting off Shatner
@@delraydad7516 nobody wins a fight against Kirk!
I think her biggest claim to fame before ST II was an appearance as a contestant on Match Game.
Star Trek the Wrath of Khan was Kirstie Alley’s Debut role (aside from an appearance in one episode of short lived Sci-fi series Quark 4 years prior to the wrath of Khan) it even says in the movie that this is her debut role
Also if I recall, they actually wanted to bring back Jeffrey Hunter as Pike (along with Spock) but he didn't want to do it b/c he thought being a TV actor would diminish his prestige as a film actor. So he was not actually fired and Shatner wasn't cast until after Hunter turned them down.
I've heard that too. Also, according to Gene Roddenberry, Hunter's wife was a major influence in convincing him not to return to Star Trek.
You seemed to have forgotten that Majel Barrett played #1 in the pilot (which was scavenged for another episode. The one where Spock was on trial for treason because he was hijacking the Enterprise to go to an off limits Planet) she returned to play Nurse Chapel who was in love with Spock.
He lumped her in to the entry about The Cage, so it wasn't necessary to mention her specifically.
All but Spock from the original pilot? Majel Barrett stayed, just not as bridge crew.
Majel Barrett was the one most specifically fired, the studio exec were adamant she was fired. Roddenberry just hired her back for a much much smaller role under another name and wearing a wig in the hopes they wouldn't notice because she was his partner at the time.
I thought her as Chapel was better, anyway. I'm glad she didn't fade away and radiate... And her role as Lwaxana was classic.. even non-Trekkers know her as the blustery Bajoran (oh sweet God [I am just realizing this] she is SO my mother...)
Thank you for noticing that. The fans and the producers Really hated her character of "Number 1". I thought she was a Great character. Too bad they weren't ready for a strong, intelligent female at the time.
Interesting that in the first pilot, Spock was the emotional one, and She was the unemotional one....
He did mention that some others were hired on as new characters. Spock was just the only one who's character didn't change.
@@maskedmarvyl4774 i actually liked her better as Nurse Chapel, bc we get to see her range. and i see what u mean, and totally respect ur pov. :D i also love strong intelligent women... but Number 1 was boring, dull, had no personality, and we're told more about her superior intelligence, but we don't see it very much. in fact, everyone else is more proactive than her/gives their ideas and is more assertive. the only time i recall seeing her be intelligent was when she and the other female officer were in the cage with Pike, and it was brief. she's more reactive than anything else. and i know that her lack of emotions were intentional, but that was the problem. too often, when a female character is often described as being: intelligent/strong, is bc she has no personality and shows no emotion... this gets tedious to see. in fact, for some of us women, it's downright annoying, bc u can't help but see, once more, that the idea of being a 'strong' woman means u have nothing to u, no spirit, no vitality, no spark. if there is nothing there to identify with, people r not even going to identify. even Spock, despite his lack of emotion, is expressive sometimes, and has energy to him. He is reactive... but he's also proactive. Number 1 is just reactive and doesn't project any energy at all. the reason that people still love Uhura to this day, besides bc she is gorgeous, is bc, the first time u see her, she has a spark to her. it's ok for her to have a feminine quality as well, and for some of us women, it's nice to know that gets appreciated. also, people blame Barret's dismissal as number 1 was for being the fact that people weren't ready for strong intelligent women back then... but there i cannot help but wonder if there is more to it than that. bc there is evidence to the contrary. in 1965, a British actress signed on to be on the show, Doctor Who. she suggested that her character be sometimes afraid and screamed at things, to make her character more 'relatable' to female viewers, since as she put it, 'strong female characters were everywhere on tv'. she wanted her role to be different than the others, for the sake of standing out and being relatable. and she was right. her character struck a chord with female and male audience members. in 1969, another actress was known for mailing a picture of herself in a bikini to tv execs, to show the studios that she could be sexy and fun, bc they were used to seeing her as the 'no-nonsense, serious, confident, assertive, woman'. and this was also after the era of Catherine Hepburn. there WERE strong intelligent woman at the time, on tv, but they all had personality to them. they had visible spunk! Number 1 appeals to a certain group of people, but not to those women and men who enjoy watching a female character with more to their personality, and with that spark that she lacked. a strong female character won't matter if she's not relatable, and especially if we are told that she's strong, but we don't see much evidence of that, bc she appears to be easily overlooked in her scenes, and is only there to often give confirmation to things that have been discussed by others. at the end of the day, i think it was all down to the writing she was given, but back then, no one knew how to explain that to themselves, so it was chalked up to good ole' lack of progressivism. of course, there is sexism in the industry, and in audiences, but i still believe that it might have been more complicated. but each to his own.
According to Shatner’s book on Star Trek, Whitney’s harasser was an executive, as I recall, with NBC. It’s been around twenty years since I read it.
They kept Majel Barrent Roddenberry too from the pilot. Being the boss's side piece helped her stay.
@Patrick Names If you want it that way everyone from the first pilot was fired. But it was a network test pilot nothing is written in stone. It was basically a job interview not a greenlite series she'd been on for 13 episodes.
@@vwgirl Old news that the studio wanted her gone. Roddenbury snuck her back in 7 episodes later, hiding her identity.
Lasted a day and a half.....
How does one not know the demands of American TV filming back in the 90's when a single season could have 22+ episodes?!
Mind-blowing
You really missed something!! Majel Barrett who played #1 in the pilot and was also Nurse Christine Chapel in the series and the voice of the computer. She was Gene Roddenberrys second wife as well. She also appeared in some of the movies. She was NEVER fired and would never be as the creators wife has job security.
Not directly relevant to #1, but Lucille Ball was a major factor in securing a second pilot
Didn't she sweep the floor?
@Geary Kunkel The other big series of the last days of Desilu was Mission Impossible. Hogan's Heroes was from Bing Crosby Productions.
@Geary Kunkel Lucille Ball had it going on. She knew how to get it done and how to manage things, quietly if needed. Also, I thought she was very talented.
@Geary Kunkel Yep, Hogan's Heroes was made by Desilu and in at least one episode they reused the Enterprise's passageways for the hallways of a Nazi laboratory building, even though it's repainted, the distinctive triangular door openings are clearly the Enterprise set.
According to IMDB, Star Trek: II was literally Kirstie Alley's first credited role. So she definitely wasn't brought in for star power.
Yep. The packaging for the "black" VHS copies (the ones that form a picture of the Enterprise when lined up) also stated it was her "motion picture debut."
I can verify this. When I saw TWOK in '82 (IIRC), I had NO idea who Kirstie Alley was. It was the first time I had ever seen her, and knew her as 'that Uber-mega-hawt Vulcan chick'. I was SO looking forward to her return in STIII...and what I got was that other chick who was wooden as a 2 x 4. Who I HATED. Because she was TERRIBLE.
Then of course, she ended up on "Cheers", where I knew her as "the chick who used to be the Uber-mega-hawt Vulcan chick".
Until Nicholas Meyer approached Kirstie to return as Saavik for "Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country (1991). Unfortunately Kirstie proved unavailable and Nick Meyer chose Kim Cattrall who insisted on character name change to Valeris and look more resembling Spock with bob hairdo and hair band to differentiate. Meyer had no interest in using Robin Curtis as Saavik from Trek3 & 4.
Now IMDB shows the movie _One More Chance_ -1981 as her first role
I felt that something had to be done with the Kes character anyway. Her species was only supposed to live 10 years. So it would have gotten weird with her needing to be aged with makeup or something. Or, they would have needed to come up with a plot device to explain why that wasn't happening. They saved themselves from that headache and we got 7 of 9 to look at. Sorry to Jennifer Lien though.
Yeah, I always assumed they realised they'd written themselves into a corner with the rapid ageing, and replaced her with Seven for that reason.
I guess they‘ve been told to sex up the show. They tried that with Kes in the last season she‘s a regular and for myself I have to say I liked it. But it seems it wasn‘t enough for the powers to be. So they brought in some nice tits and ass (from THEIR view. I think Jery did a terrific acting job!), strapped that in a corset and shoved her in front of the camera in an „ugly duckling“ story, making an even greater impact.
Why RIP? Jennifer Lien is alive and well.
@@larrywt656 My bad. It was her unfortunate run in with the law that I was thinking of. I remembered that in the news and my brain morphed that into an announcement of her death. My apologies to Ms. Lien. Live long and prosper.
@@larrywt656 To say she is well, at present, is a contention that's hard to substantiate, as repeated long-term interventions of serious mental health treatment, somewhat incredibly countenanced by Tennessee's criminal justice system, have yet to be conclusively shown to have been effective. In fact, while I'm unaware of the disposition of this past Thursday's court action (continued over a number of times), she's once again dealing with a charge (thankfully pretty minor in this instance) for about the fifth time in the past 8 years. You may define such a record, as positive evidence of someone's wellbeing, but I'm a bit more dubious, sorry to say.
I wish that management and Kirstie Alley could have come to an agreement.
I remember going to a very rare Star Trek convention here in Sydney 🇦🇺 about 1998. It was held at the Sydney Opera House, probably 3-4 thousand attended, the two (2) guests were Jennifer Lien (Kes, Voyager) who after 5 minutes made it clear that she did not want to be there, not answering questions and being ultimately rude to the host and all of us who paid to see her. She was asked to leave the stage and the amazing Patrick Stewart (Picard) came on stage early and stayed for what must have been 2 hours, talking, chatting and being the true professional. Patrick made the day for many of us trekkies back then. Cheers.
I feel bad for you: there was Kes, who played this dramatic important character...oh, Kes ist the name of the character, on what show was she again? And then Stewart, who played the Captain of Star Trek TNG, the show that made me a Trekkie, and who is _the_ Captain for me.
Who cares about this Lien, if you got the real deal. Only Brent Spiner or Nimoy had been of equal interest.
And here I thought that Marina Siritis was the worst Trek actor guest. (Technically I haven't seen Lien so that is still true, and I understand Marina has improved in recent years.)
I hate to say it, but the drugs Lien was doing might have been an influence even then...???
@@loulfw2513 Perhaps some of series 1 - 2 of TNG Marina Sirtis may not have been that experienced? Not sure, but certainly by the time of the last few series and the 4 motion pictures turned up she was far better. I still have not seen the ‘Picard’ series with Sir Pat and 7 of 9 Jeri Ryan, I must try and find out which Co down here in AU and the cost etc?
Sorry, have to find out which Co is selling Picard here and try to see it. It was such a great loss when we lost D’Forest and Leonard. I really love the original movies, Khan, Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country. Cheers.
@@petehoskins1267 I saw her appear well after TNG hit its fitting in the 90s. But like I said, maybe she got better. She was arrogant, dismissive, rude and unfriendly. As it recall, both Frakes and spiner were wonderful.
Sadly, it's been a few years since there have been any conventions in this country at all
Kristie Alley was not fired, she was recast because her agent want more money for her in next movie, and production of Star trek III. could not or did not want to afford it.
Honestly, when i think of Saavik, i keep putting Kristie Alley in it. Nothing against the actress that replaced her, i just think Kristie did a better performance....
how does that translate to not getting fired.
she either quit..or was fired...
It doesn't. I just noted how badly they choose the replacement. Besides that One Star Trek movie, has she HONESTLY been in anymore? No, but Kristie Alley had the presence to've been in at least one-two more.
@@johnnysizemore5797 i was actually talking to Daniel lol. he said kirstie "wasnt fired she was recast"...
that still narrows it down to fired or quit lol. shes on this list, im sure Adam did his research. She was fired. "let go" and "replaced" and recast means fired. recast can mean quit as well. lose an actor for any reason, you recast the part or drop the character or drop the project entirely.
i guess technically if the project hadnt started yet, Allie wasnt technically emplyed with them "yet" but was still the actor known as Saavik, being recast after negotiations, that in itself is "we dont want you, piss off" equals a firing to me.
@@killwalker This is a muddy one. I don't think she was fired and she didn't quit. The contract negotiations broke down and she did not return to the role. The end result, of course, is that we didn't get to see the awesome Saavik again (Robin Curtis was good, but didn't feel like the same character).
Geneviève Bujold would've been the second Montréal-born actor to play a Star Trek captain.
With all due respect to Ms. Kirstie Alley, I ABSOLUTELY ADORED, Ms. Robin Curtis' performance as Lt. Saavik.
Many women feel sick because of men like you adoring them yet you do not even know nor ever met
My sisters and mother said you're a weirdo
> “Actors who were fired”
> First 2 asked to leave the show
I wouldn’t consider Kristy Alley fired, just a contract negotiation issue, she went on and became a bigger star, Star Trek could have hurt her career if she signed on for another film. She was smart and right for doing it
I really do like how they incorporated the failed pilot into the Lore of Star Trek
In the Case of Jenifer Lien, I also heard that she was the Second Choice to be let go. Their First choice was Garret Wang. But he was featured in a Magazine that year as one of the sexiest men alive (I don't remember which magazine), so they felt he had some star power behind him. So the decided to let Lien go instead. It was rather Cordial as I remember. They just told her she wont be back for Season 4, and she just said "ok."
She also had personal issues from what I hear. She drug use got pretty bad after the show.
I heard their ratings were lowering so they introduced the shapely Ryan character.
@@henrysalami7593 That seems likely.
Garrett Wang has said that the producers were leaning towards getting rid of Harry Kim, not Kes, but then over the summer he was named as on of People magazine's 50 Most Beautiful People and the added publicity from that probably saved his job.
"... The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." "Live long and prosper."
How about finishing with a simple “Cleary Out”?
Or a Klingon same would be great
@@ladymopar2024 love that. Just end with "Qa'pla!" or however you spell it.
@@vic5015 or a Romulan "Jolun Tru" though that's more of a greeting if I'm not mistaken....
by context I've heard it used it just means greetings or good day something like that...[star trek online is where i heard it most]
Qa'pla is a good phrase too though it's meaning is "Success"
or there's Kijol which means "mean me aboard" I love when simple phrases say full sentences, it's like how????
but English really is a ponderous language, we say less with more words while at least 60% of the world says more with a fraction of the words lolz
like Japanese Kanji you can have the same basic structure but many variations of markings which drastically add to it or change the meaning....
and some languages invert the saying or say it backwards
like Spanish says things kinda inverted backwards lol French too to an extent
like Le Fussil Terribles translates as the terrible shotgun i English but the placement of words le is the, fussil is shotgun and terribles is terrible
another similar phrase, Le Enfant Terribles, translates as the terrible children....same structure le, the Enfant, Child/children terribles, terrible....
not a linguist, this is just off what I've picked up on, nevermind me, I'm being a bit of a dorky snob.....
Qa'pla is a standard klingon phrase like iconic phrase, use it with pride but now you know it means success lolz shout it next timne you beat a game QA'PLA!!
lolz
"The network found Star Trek too intellectual..." Well, that explains Shatner...
That was Gene's story.
Solow and Justman said different. The Cage was more designed to appeal to CBS. WNMHGB was rolled to fit NBC as a companion piece to "The Man from Uncle" and Bonanza style action adventure.
GR was a pretty big imaginer of history. There is another word for that.
If Hunter had returned he would have gotten it. The word is actually too cerebral.
@@2bituser569 they were character actors. They would have performed as directed. Shatner was in a lot of things before Star Trek. Sometimes quite cerebral or introspective. Sometimes The Shat. Eventually the Star Trek producers wanted The Shat. Remember he started out as the professional officer that was a bookworm at the academy. Mitchell was the horny flyboy.
S Tho
Why couldn’t Kirk be both bookworm smart and ladies man?
@@2bituser569 I heard that. Hunter wasn't fired, he got a role in King of Kings and chose that. Shatner & Nimoy had much better chemistry though, even Nimoy said as much, he could play the straight man to Kirk's wild west style.
Kirstie Allie was perfect in the role.
As was Kim Cattrall as Lt. Valeris in Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country.
Can you believe it? The same actress in Mannequin and Big Trouble in Little China!
She sure was. I feel she got the nuances of her character perfectly. Saavik being half-romulan meant that Kirsties 'emotional' acting was far better then the very stiff, I would say boring, acting from Robin Curtis.
Scientology gives deep insight into the universe, as OT7 she knows Xenu's plans to defeat humanity and portrayed it well ;)
I hated that Robin didn't even resemble Kirstie, & she had a perm, the only Vulcan to have 1!! Why not rename/use a different character? ☠👎💀🖖
Hames Doohan told us at a convention prior to ST that KA was not available due to appearing on Btoadway at the time of filming
That's very bizarre about Denise Crosby. I met her at a convention and she specifically said her reason for leaving was to take care of her daughter. I wonder which was the real reason, or maybe it was both.
Paul Fix who played the Doctor in the pilot was thought to be to stereotyped because of doing so many westerns. The irony of that statement is DeForest Kelly was almost strictly westerns from the late 1940’s until the early 1960’s. He received the Golden Boot award shortly after his death in 1999.
Star-Trek-y signoff, comeon... Live Long and Prosper is both a greeting and a goodbye.
And with the whole corona-stuff going on, it also seems like a quite decent overall greeting. It's contact-less, optimistic and encouraging. It is quite the most logical means.
David Caruso played Spok but was so good in rehearsal that he left the show for better opportunities.
I don't think that's right given that he was only 9 years old at the time of the pilot.
Don't ever recall Spock dramatically removing his sunglasses.
@@fynxbell ... Or doing a latin dance step while clearing a one room building.
@@Thurgosh_OG No its true. Caruso was that damn good. Even at 9.
I always thought that Jordy was the natural choice for chief engineer. That visor of his gave him a distinct advantage for the role.
Don't you mean 'Geordi?' Not trying to offend anyone I just want to know.
AMP's Collectibles No, he meant the other guy with a visor!
Come to think of it: Why weren‘t there any other people with visors?
@@jensdroessler3575 I don't think there was anyone else with a visor.
@@andrewmichaelscollectibles Sorry for the spelling. I'm blind and never really looked up how hhis name is spelled.
Jens Droessler
Data asked a Picard that question in a gotcha scene about sf being able to examine him to make more androids like him.
Geordi needs it he is blind
You missed Paul Fix, who played the Doctor in the Kirk Pilot. Nice video though, thanks for posting.
Excellent video and information. First visit and I liked it.
Gary Lockwood deserved better then getting killed in the second pilot.
However he did well as Frank Poole in 2001 A Space Odyssey.
i've said the same thing in my videos :D. i always wished that he had been saved somehow and continued to be on the Enterprise. from the second u meet him, u get the sense that he's a good character, and good foil for Kirk and Spock. i bet it was one of those things where the script was written, Gary was cast, and then everyone was like... damn! missed opportunity there!
Lockwood was awesome as Gary Mitchell.
A tiny bit of research might be warranted before making these videos. Kirstie Alley did not have "star power" of any sort when she was cast as Saavik. Aside from a small uncredited role on the TV series Quark (no relation to our favorite Ferengi), the only thing she'd done prior to Trek was appear as a contestant on the game show Match Game.
Was her role in North and South after the movie then?
Star Trek II's opening credits show "Introducing Kirstie Alley". Studios do that when they are introducing someone in their first movie role that they think is going to be a future star. She was an unknown at the time.
I liked Dr. Pulaski better than Crusher. She was a much better actress, & a better character too. Just my opinion.
Jackson Heathen Never liked Diana Muldaur in anything, especially in TOS
really, i never thought Pulaski, fit in, with the rest of the crew. maybe the writing. I like Beverly Crusher as a character better. they destroyed Wesley, by using him as a crutch, way too often.
@@aeroengguy448 To each their own. I liked her in both the TOS episodes she appeared in. Unfortunately the poor woman didn't age well.
In a mere 20 years, she went from hot to not. Either way, I thought her character on TNG was great.
@@martinhanke1670 Well, I didn't "dislike" Beverly Crusher. I just liked Pulaski a little better.
But unfortunately, I hated Wesley. Worst character ever. A spoiled whinny brat. But that's another issue. 😁
@@jacksonheathen2092 'Shut up Wesley' :D
Actually, it was stated in a documentary about Actor Jeffrey Hunter that the network did like him along with Nimoy but his wife at the time was against him going to television because she felt he should stay a film actor. So, he went along with her wishes , Pike was written out and Kirk was created.
How exactly was Kirstie Alley fired? The situation was the similar to the one with Marina Sirtis, except that with the latter, they came to a negotiation. Not agreeing on financial compensation is not the same as getting fired.
Good thing you weren't wearing a red shirt while filming this video, who knows what might have happened!
Scottie always had a red shirt on but he was maybe a lucky man
Rewatching early TNG episodes reminds me that Denise Crosby, at least at the time, deserved to be fired.
Oh, no, you didn't! :-D
yea i never thought she was a good actress, but i also dont think america was ready for a FEMALE SECURITY OFFICER, not when you had a klingon as your assistant
That was entertaining and informative. Thanks for sticking with it through all of the technical issues you encountered.
Best vidi I've seen lately. Very informative. Shocking!
How many times must We hear the story About Bujold?
That's the first time I heard it, so I'm glad it was told one more time.
How about we hear the real number of Female Starship captains?
Bujold would have been number three, with Janeway as number four.
Previously, Madge Sinclair, in ST4, played the unnamed captain of USS Saratoga.
Then, Enterprise-C had a Female captain, Rachel Garrett.
Taking nothing away from Mulgrew - she was an astoundingly good captain - but NOT the first Female captain.
@@paulmorey6347 3 or4??? it took me all of 6 seconds to find out they're been over 40 do your research
Garrett Wang (Ensign Kim from VOY) was scheduled to be fired, but a magazine article listed him as one of the most eligible bachelors just days before they were going to tell him, so they decided not to fire him. He was reportedly about to be fired for bad work ethic.
How can you be fired if you were not hired in the first place? Also, leaving on your own is not being fired.
Gates McFadden was my favorite character in Star Trek TNG. I was very puzzled when she disappeared for a while. It took years until I learned what happened. I was glad when she returned to the series.
We'll probably never know what really did happen seeing as another version of "the truth" I had heard it was Roddenberry himself that wanted her gone and that's exactly what he did. So got me.
Was critical of first season stories...racist, sexist
Majel Barrett who played #1 in the pilot later became Nurse Chapel and the voice for the computer and Lwaxana Troy on TNG but her biggest role in the Franchise might be as Mrs. gene Roddenberry.
Actually. Lucille Ball used her clout at CBS, through Desilu, to get the second pilot greenlit. Tad Hunter was out. Lucy suggested William Shatner.
Tab. Tab Hunter.
incorrect. quit making stuff up.
Star Trek 5 villain married Lucy’s daughter.
Jeffery Hunter....really.
You’re forgetting Majel barret wasn’t fired as such, her role changed from no.1 to nurse chapel and the computer. That’s what happens when your married to the boss
I was about to say that as well.
Majel Barret did the computer voice on all of the star ships except the Excelsior. She also Played Luoxanna Troy. Dianna Troy's mother. I thought it was great that she was an MD in The Motion Picture.
Majel Barrett (please spell and punctuate her name correctly) was the OPPOSITE of fired, she was bulletproof... "the First Lady of Star Trek" participated in every incarnation of Star Trek during her lifetime.
She was *not* married to the boss. In fact, if I have my dates right, she was having an AFFAIR with the boss at the time. (So was Nichelle.)
I checked. She did not marry gene until after Star Trek was off the air.
@@imperiallebaron2391 Luoxanna was a character that grew on me. More I saw her the more I liked her and her episodes with Odo in DS9 were great.
I thought Kes and Seven of Nine would have had a great relationship. Kes would have Mentored Seven of Nine like she did the doctors. They would have been great friends. Maybe since Kes's species have very short lives- she could have died from old age tragically or maybe the Doctor could have found a way to keep Kes alive longer.
the rumours at the time were Garrett Wang's mother (hearing that he might be dropped from the show) called the producers and begged or threatened them. It worked. (Garrett himself denies this, and I met his parents so I don';t THINK that happened.)
Could have been an interesting story arc. Seven uses her Borg nanotechnology and implants to increase Kes's lifespan. As Seven becomes more human, Kes becomes more Borg-ish. Then Kes is somehow zapped backwards in time to become the original Borg Queen.
@@dennisvjones1816 Sounds interesting.
Seriously? They fired the person who was ASSAULTED? Grace Lee Whitney deserved to have the person JAILED and compensation for crying out loud! That's about right. And not just for the time unfortunately. It still happens. Men.
I personally liked Pulaski a WHOLE lot more than Crusher.
In her short run, she actually had a great character arc, with her warming up to Data.
And other than that, Crusher is just annoying. Constantly putting her crew in danger. Anywhere between 2 to 10 people, she puts in danger to treat some guy, in the middle of a firefight, and shit like that.
Yeah, a doctor with heath is great. But Crusher is like 90% hearth and 10% logic. She would have been the first person to be kicked off the ship, because she was unable to follow the rules and orders. Pulaski just felt more like an actual believable doctor.
Top 285 Rules of Acquisition next, please.
Isn't that *all* of them?
Justin Shim I think there’s more
Haaa
Done so many times. Just watch elsewhere.
"That's It! That's all! Beam me outta here, Scotty! Live Long and Stay Safe!"
with the Vulcan Salute.
If I want commercials every couple of minutes I'll watch television.
If you can't figure out how to install an ad blocker, that might not be a bad idea.
Oh great Gogotz the ever so wise, how do we install a free ad blocker that stops RUclips ads?
Speaking as a Canadian and a Trek fan, I'd never heard of that original Janeway actress before she was cast. I remember when she was cast for the show and not a single person I knew had ever heard of that woman. We of course had all heard of Mrs Colombo, though. 😁
In the one, you did, the group shot, wasn't that Sulu in the photo?
If you mean the picture at 11:22 yes that is Sulu. It's a still from the second pilot Where No Man Has Gone Before. Kirk & Scotty are in the picture too.
I've read that the U.S.S Yorktown was fired and replaced by the U.S.S Enterprise.
Love your videos Adam, and the editing!
I watched the video and my entire computer deleted itself. Box and all. There is literally an empty space where my computer used to be...
Kids, I know this may be hard to believe, but in 1982 Kirstie Alley was one of the hottest women alive. Also, about that time Michael Jackson was the coolest person on planet earth.
You really thought Michael Jackson was cool?? Talent yes, cool no.