I’ve watched this race several times and can only say that there should only ever be one captain on a boat. Everything was against the Kiwis ..their jib..the splash down….but the team was lead by one captain and that was the difference. The Italians seemed to be having a meeting to get consensus on what to do between the two captains.
Yes Francesco seems to talk just for the sake of it, without conviction. This blabbering can distract the concentration of others. In 2024 some Italians are stating the case for Bruni-Spithill replaced with Tita-Gradoni. The consensus issues flares up in the next race 9, when Spithill says to protect the right, then Bruni goes left.
This race also defines a weakness of the class. The ability of the boats to get on foil, in light air. We watched them being towed up on foil in the pre start. In this race, a 2 kilometer deficit turned into a 2 kilometer advantage for NZ. The boats should be able to easily get on foil. Either increase the minimum wind speed or increase the foil area. No more towing onto foil. The boats should get up on their own
@@davemckenna8591 Hi Dave. Dropping off foil during a race is separable from being towed up onto foil pre-race. The race should start with both boats parked, at 0 knots, in tight separate boxes in the larger start box. They start and must get on foil, on their own, at the beginning of the race. This would put a premium on the ability and thus, should a boat fall off foil during a race, it would definitely be able to get back on.
@@WhatAboutTheBee that's just more work for the grinders. So you're suggesting the grinders begin grinding before the prestart? And then continue to grind during the prestart and don't stop grinding until the race is completed? That's just unnecessary hard labor.
@@mitchand9 Hi Andrew! The following is polite discourse on your statements. It simply does not follow that the grinders will have to work more if the AC75s start as displacement hulls. It is well known, that for a given foil area, lift is proportional to velocity. In shorthand, we have lift=f(velocity, foil area). To generate more lift, your statement assumes that the area of the foil cannot be changed and that it will all come down to velocity. Further, that velocity can only come through sail adjustment and therefore grinder effort. I contend, however, that lift=f(velocity, FOIL AREA), and as such, to generate more lift given a constant velocity, we need only increase foil area. Which drives the engineering away from being towed onto foil and races in which a 2 kilometer lead turns into a 2 kilometer deficit. But let us now examine the role of the grinder. In my view (your milage may vary), the grinder is superfluous. With the introduction of hydraulics to America's Cup, the committee sought to keep motors and engines out of sailing, as it wasn't very Yar. So human power was substituted and, as many teams discovered, having an Olympic athlete such as Matt Gottrel grinding was an advantage. With the current crop of AC75s, we see the canting foil arms powered by other than Olympic athletes. So an alternate power source seems acceptable. I suggest that we dispense with the intellectual dead end of human generated hydraulic power. We have taken it to the end of development. An Olympic athlete cannot do two races in one day, even if the race only lasts 25 minutes. Solution: Simply issue an electric motor, just as we have issued canting foil arms. The motor will produce a known torque at a known energy consumption. The batteries that power the canting arms power the hydraulics as well, via the hydraulic pump. The charade that the races are "human and wind powered" ends, as the canting foil arms puts paid to that thesis. Grinders are merely the human equivalent of a hydraulic pump. Nonsense. Issue a pump. The
@@WhatAboutTheBee so redesign the boat during the regatta? Displacement mode would mean they arrive on the race course the next day. Realistically, these boats literally won't foil without power the grinders produce. You're nitpicking at something that isn't an issue.
when a 70' yacht racing a 5 legged course similar to what I've raced in a laser can put 4+km's over the opposition then there is something fundamentaly wrong with the whole concept here, fuck broadcasting , they're being invited to a yacht race not vica versa............ fuck time limits and do a bit of distance........... make it the contest it should be
Altro errore! Una volta caduti dai foil Luna Rossa doveva subito cercare di risalire! Invece orza e cerca in tutti i modi di girare la boa! Errore fatale
If you get seasick don't go sailing I went fishing with 11 guys only two of us caught fish one guy shat from both ends thats how it goes when you drink to much alcohol the night before worse is when you just dont have sea legs
Considering the: size of the event, the money put in, and the quality of the video broadcast, the audio is horrific! Seriously bad. all it would've taken was for someone to mute the onboard mics to get rid of the obnoxiously loud grinding sound that pops off every 3 seconds. I couldn't even hear the commentators over it. Seriously bad. I hope the person in charge of audio has had a career change.
Commentators ought to be silent in times like these cos quite frankly y’all need to stick to just picking ya noses.Now that’s something to laugh about , inni, 😂😂😂
Piu' la riguardo e piu' sono convinto che un errore del genere poteva essere tranquillamente EVITATO!!! Nessuno e nessuna regola ( a meno che io abbia preso/detto una scemenza COLOSSALE) vieta di uscire dal campo di regata per tot metri!! Cioe' se per trovare vento devo uscire di 500 metri invece che 40 non cambia nulla!! Pago i 50 metri di penalita' e FANCULO!!! Tanto con 2400 metri di vantaggio anche se esco di 500 metri per trovare il vento per non cadere dai Foil MA che Mi frega!!! O no??
I'm critical of the announcers - they often include in their analysis "pressure, tricky, patchy" conditions without context, who has the advantage and why - Olympic sailors no doubt expert at their sport but don't know how to communicate with the general audience. Seems that their analysis includes a lot of BS'ing - "long way to go, opponent not going away". Is "pressure" an actual numerical measurement of wind against the sail that the racers monitor? The host announcers continuously ask Shirley for her take on the course - but can she really read conditions while in a fast moving boat low on the water - she rarely gives straight answers to the announcers questions, I mean if you are in fast moving boat on the water, can you actually tell wind pressure, wind direction, or water pressure against the boat and where it's patchy.
Im sure those hydraulics are a pain to compensate for, but the sound mixing of this is just wild.
Parada should be proud they put up a great fight and a a great completion
I wish they'd won.
@@jaysdood🙃🤪😩
Awesome Bro's, Team New Zealand every day all day Yea.
Amazing race and the race that broke the spell
CRAZIEST RACE, but Love the Ending ❤❤👏👏⛵️⛵️
Be humble like the Kiwis 💕💕💕
Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, Luna Rossa.
Nice when you predict the outcome four years ago and own it like you know it
I know when it doesn't goes your way 😅, presume bias thinking 😅
I’ve watched this race several times and can only say that there should only ever be one captain on a boat. Everything was against the Kiwis ..their jib..the splash down….but the team was lead by one captain and that was the difference. The Italians seemed to be having a meeting to get consensus on what to do between the two captains.
Comparable to Hannibal at the battle of Cannae. The Italians with 2 commanders got massacred.
Yes Francesco seems to talk just for the sake of it, without conviction. This blabbering can distract the concentration of others. In 2024 some Italians are stating the case for Bruni-Spithill replaced with Tita-Gradoni.
The consensus issues flares up in the next race 9, when Spithill says to protect the right, then Bruni goes left.
NZ will have 2 steering the boat in 2024.
Forse uno dei due capitani era Schettino 😅😂
@@vsstdtbs3705che figura da polli 🙈
Great race
This race also defines a weakness of the class. The ability of the boats to get on foil, in light air. We watched them being towed up on foil in the pre start. In this race, a 2 kilometer deficit turned into a 2 kilometer advantage for NZ. The boats should be able to easily get on foil. Either increase the minimum wind speed or increase the foil area. No more towing onto foil. The boats should get up on their own
true , but both dropped because of bad decisions
@@davemckenna8591 Hi Dave. Dropping off foil during a race is separable from being towed up onto foil pre-race. The race should start with both boats parked, at 0 knots, in tight separate boxes in the larger start box. They start and must get on foil, on their own, at the beginning of the race.
This would put a premium on the ability and thus, should a boat fall off foil during a race, it would definitely be able to get back on.
@@WhatAboutTheBee that's just more work for the grinders.
So you're suggesting the grinders begin grinding before the prestart? And then continue to grind during the prestart and don't stop grinding until the race is completed?
That's just unnecessary hard labor.
@@mitchand9 Hi Andrew! The following is polite discourse on your statements.
It simply does not follow that the grinders will have to work more if the AC75s start as displacement hulls. It is well known, that for a given foil area, lift is proportional to velocity. In shorthand, we have lift=f(velocity, foil area). To generate more lift, your statement assumes that the area of the foil cannot be changed and that it will all come down to velocity. Further, that velocity can only come through sail adjustment and therefore grinder effort. I contend, however, that lift=f(velocity, FOIL AREA), and as such, to generate more lift given a constant velocity, we need only increase foil area. Which drives the engineering away from being towed onto foil and races in which a 2 kilometer lead turns into a 2 kilometer deficit.
But let us now examine the role of the grinder. In my view (your milage may vary), the grinder is superfluous. With the introduction of hydraulics to America's Cup, the committee sought to keep motors and engines out of sailing, as it wasn't very Yar. So human power was substituted and, as many teams discovered, having an Olympic athlete such as Matt Gottrel grinding was an advantage. With the current crop of AC75s, we see the canting foil arms powered by other than Olympic athletes. So an alternate power source seems acceptable.
I suggest that we dispense with the intellectual dead end of human generated hydraulic power. We have taken it to the end of development. An Olympic athlete cannot do two races in one day, even if the race only lasts 25 minutes.
Solution: Simply issue an electric motor, just as we have issued canting foil arms. The motor will produce a known torque at a known energy consumption. The batteries that power the canting arms power the hydraulics as well, via the hydraulic pump. The charade that the races are "human and wind powered" ends, as the canting foil arms puts paid to that thesis.
Grinders are merely the human equivalent of a hydraulic pump. Nonsense. Issue a pump.
The
@@WhatAboutTheBee so redesign the boat during the regatta? Displacement mode would mean they arrive on the race course the next day.
Realistically, these boats literally won't foil without power the grinders produce.
You're nitpicking at something that isn't an issue.
when a 70' yacht racing a 5 legged course similar to what I've raced in a laser can put 4+km's over the opposition then there is something fundamentaly wrong with the whole concept here, fuck broadcasting , they're being invited to a yacht race not vica versa............ fuck time limits and do a bit of distance........... make it the contest it should be
still a long way to go hope luna rossa get home before xmas
No competition here! Ben Ainslie, is so frustrated, but still persurveering,regardless
Che polli siamo stati...
26.40, jimmy fucks up, calls for max flap. By going max flap too early he’s killed any potential acceleration.
The sound mixing on this coverage was an embarrassment
Great audio as well 😊
Still the constant graunching then.
Some one interfered with the eletronics.
One cannot hear the announcers
Che smacconata per luna rossa, incapaci di trovare un po' dì vento...ma finire addirittura fuori dal campo di regata, questo la dice lunga 😅😂🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cuántas vueltas eran
21st-century technology with 20th-century frame rates and 19th-century audio mixing.
Honestly, how could you upload it with the audio like this?
I love the commentary that keep saying, "it's a long way to go", and predict the outcome! Strange!
They meant overall
Altro errore! Una volta caduti dai foil Luna Rossa doveva subito cercare di risalire! Invece orza e cerca in tutti i modi di girare la boa! Errore fatale
Is there any way to mute the 'on board' noises, especially the loud grinding sound?
I just love it.
@@anmihovilstrait up, who gives a shite. 😂😂😂
Bravísimi luna Rosa avete arrivatto prima di Natale..
TEAM NEW ZEALAND SHOOD MAEK THERE FOILLS WING LIKE A BIRD WING SHAPE OR A BATHING SHAPE. SO LET ME KNOW WAT U THINK CHER☆
This was the race that defined the final result
Is it over ?
@@villageblunder4787 there's more after this one... don't read the comments or you'll regret it.
the audio mix is a catastrophe
There are basically 3 or 4 versions you can watch. Italy coms only, NZ coms only, presenters only and the mix.
Whoever mixed this audio needs to be fired.
Go Luna Rosa haha get in while you can
If you get seasick don't go sailing I went fishing with 11 guys only two of us caught fish one guy shat from both ends thats how it goes when you drink to much alcohol the night before worse is when you just dont have sea legs
wow what I would give to have a boat like that The one on water world was my favorite big and nasty sailed by one bloke
Considering the: size of the event, the money put in, and the quality of the video broadcast, the audio is horrific! Seriously bad. all it would've taken was for someone to mute the onboard mics to get rid of the obnoxiously loud grinding sound that pops off every 3 seconds. I couldn't even hear the commentators over it. Seriously bad. I hope the person in charge of audio has had a career change.
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Commentators ought to be silent in times like these cos quite frankly y’all need to stick to just picking ya noses.Now that’s something to laugh about , inni, 😂😂😂
It should be against the rules to shorten the race. As a kiwi I thought that was a bitch move.
Boat noises make this unwatchable. Needs editing.
Piu' la riguardo e piu' sono convinto che un errore del genere poteva essere tranquillamente EVITATO!!! Nessuno e nessuna regola ( a meno che io abbia preso/detto una scemenza COLOSSALE) vieta di uscire dal campo di regata per tot metri!! Cioe' se per trovare vento devo uscire di 500 metri invece che 40 non cambia nulla!! Pago i 50 metri di penalita' e FANCULO!!! Tanto con 2400 metri di vantaggio anche se esco di 500 metri per trovare il vento per non cadere dai Foil MA che Mi frega!!! O no??
I'm critical of the announcers - they often include in their analysis "pressure, tricky, patchy" conditions without context, who has the advantage and why - Olympic sailors no doubt expert at their sport but don't know how to communicate with the general audience. Seems that their analysis includes a lot of BS'ing - "long way to go, opponent not going away". Is "pressure" an actual numerical measurement of wind against the sail that the racers monitor? The host announcers continuously ask Shirley for her take on the course - but can she really read conditions while in a fast moving boat low on the water - she rarely gives straight answers to the announcers questions, I mean if you are in fast moving boat on the water, can you actually tell wind pressure, wind direction, or water pressure against the boat and where it's patchy.
SFIGATI
Those stupid lookin rocket boats the Americas cup is for classic yachts 😂😂😂😂😭😂😂
Seems like you don't really understand the Americas Cup.
If it wasn’t for these “stupid lookin rocket boats” I would have not explored the world of yachting. Back to GTmoto with you!