I ordered three "GRA certified" moissanite stones and when I received the stone and the "GRA Reports" they were all three different and NONE of the certification numbers returned as valid. My stones are real, however, as the hardness tester revealed this.
i live in china and for just over a year ive been doing moissanite jewellery and what you say is true. my background is IT and im doing a video on it with some more details soon
Hi I have had a ring from MRA that was not ordered. I want to return it but there is no address. They are saying payment should follow. Please advice Alfred Lyons
@@MegaBookkeeper so you randomly received a ring in the mail? I think this is some sort of scam, the ring itself could cost a few dollars. If you tell them you refuse, they would probably issue a bunch of open threats. treat them as such.
@@MegaBookkeeper It’s a Brushing Scam. An illegitimate way for online retailers to show delivery of items with fake reviews. Since the item showed delivered with valid tracking they can use bots to generate fake online reviews. You have a Moissanite ring you can sell it for a little bit or give it away as a gift! Sincerely, TBBW🐺
There is no gra certification, a real lab would not copy gia certificates. And a real lab would let you send the stones for checking, and after payment they will send you a certificate for the stone. And gra does not have this service. So how these sellers get the certification???
@William Bang You don’t have to use destructive means to identify Moissanite it’s very easy to identify without any testers. You don’t have to smash anything. It takes only a few seconds to identify double refraction. TBBW🐺
@@WilliamBang I have several dozen videos showing how to check for double refraction. This requires a loupe. You really don’t need an expensive loupe a five dollar loupe on eBay will get the job done! TBBW🐺
@@WilliamBang technically you don't need a large one to compare. Also glass is single refractive. There are moissanite testers too. But I agree all of those Reports are fake. I ran across your video doing alittle finishing information. But your right. It's totally b.s.
What does it matter? Moissanite is much cheaper than diamonds. If the certificate is fake it does not take away from the beauty of the jewelry and no one goes around flashing their certificate of authenticity. If people want to sell this cheap jewelry, it is a different matter. To those who wear them, it makes not an iota of difference.
Just because the website is owned by China and not ssl registered doesn't mean it's fake. The gra Moissanites one is American you avoided looking at that one. But the way to prove they are all fake and I do suspect they are is by taking a diamond linked to each site to a jeweler and seeing if they have the code etched in. But who knows maybe some do.
The association does not exist. Charles & Colvard had a patent in many countries to restrict Silicon Carbide from being cut into a gemstone. Only South Korea rejected the US patent so what they have in Korea that is a Silicon Carbide gemstone is called Amora Gem. No international grading association is currently grading Moissanite. So the Association is fake - or is not recognized. I didn't avoid anything you can go look it up yourself. Yes, the producers of Moissanites can grade their own gemstone but that beats the purpose of proper grading. A diamond is different. It is graded by the GIA - which is a globally accepted Institute.
@@WilliamBang first of all you shamefully implied anything from China is fake and wrongfully implied all those websites are from China. Are you denying that Moissanite labs also exist in the USA? Thirdly I don't care what you're talkin about patents and Korea, thats nonsense to me. What I want to know if those codes from the certificates are actually etched into the stones and which "fake" organizations are actually doing that and which are not. Cuz people don't care as much about the grading as they do identifying something as genuine or retrieving it when lost or stolen. Any genuine moissante people buy are going to look better than diamonds they can afford. Even if not truly a d color or truly Flawless compared to diamonds its too damn close to care especially when they shine better then diamonds that are anyways.
@@cooloutac No I did not. You didn't listen, I didn't say the Moissanite is fake. I said the organization grading it is fake thus the certificate is fake.
@@cooloutac If I made up my own University and printed myself a PhD from my University. Does that mean I have a PhD? the Moissanite labs in the US is irrelevant, there is no recognized grading association for moissanite in the US - or in the world. C&C will only grade their own moissanite.
@@WilliamBang no one cares we just want to know if it's real Moissanite and if it can be identified when lost or stolen. Have you ever heard of somebody creating a very flawed Moissanite? Hahah. Ever seen a jeweler show one on a microscope? There is no need for grading system. They are all graded the same. It's irrelevant! Again what you are failing to understand or don't want to admit is that there's multiple gra companies handing out the certificates and people buying them already know this. What we want to know which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad ones. Painting them all with the same brush just makes you look suspect. You're not doing a public service here youre just making yourself look like a diamond Industry Shill.
All of my moissanites came with the GRA cert and had diff numbers etched in the stones girdle. Brother is a jeweler and many are going to moissanite and not diamonds. Diamonds that are small have little to 0 resale value.
There is no gra certification, a real lab would not copy gia certificates. And a real lab would let you send the stones for checking, and after payment they will send you a certificate for the stone. And gra does not have this service. So how these sellers get the certification???
@@8055lgThere's really no such thing as a certification. It's a grading agency. The certificate is of what the agency grades it as. Certs don't really matter as long as the stone is really, color looks good and inclusions are minimal. GRA does grade EF and sometimes H stones as D which isn't cool. EF colors would be fine since the eye can't tell the difference but an H color you can see the white color of the stone. I've had some moissanite that is more white than colorless. Got me a solid source now though.
Your assessment of GRA was extremely helpful. However, you are wrong about "everything goes up over time." Moissanite and lab grown diamonds have actually declined dramatically over time, because unlimited supply items do not retain value (both stones are lab created and so you can make more whenever you want, just like the fed printing money). Natural moissanite is extremely rare (found in meteors), so everything on the market is synthetic. When you truly have unlimited supply, no matter the demand, prices will decline until they reflect the actual cost of making them. Thus these are not investment types of stones. Natural diamonds are investment grade stones because they are truly rare (limited supply). That said, I absolutely love my Moissanite earrings and they are more brilliant (fire-y) than diamonds. And I often suggest to clients that no matter what they use for a center stone, that the place to save money is to change all the accent diamonds to higher quality and cheaper lab grown stones.
I bought a Lab grown DIAMOND (seller told in the describtion) …with a GRA-girdle number So it’s SURE a moissanite not a diamond 😱😬 I cacelled and send it back😶
The GRA is not official, but recognized as legit and has lab in many continents. It does reports on lab-grown diamonds, which are required by law to have a number on the girdle. If the number corresponds to a report on their site, you're good.
But we all do needs certificate for selling those stones right? If they're unable to sell, then why should i buy it? I prefer Zirconia which is much way cheaper than moissanite. If that moissanite is only for your fancy apperance everyday, why don't use zirconia? I mean, it looks nearly the same on the outside, the difference is only located on the diamond tester and certificate. But why anyone needs stone with diamond tester passed? Are you going to a party with diamond person only, Or what? I still didn't get it why people buy moissanite if there're no proof of their value in the certificate.
Certificates are not "proofs of value." They record the data about the stone at the moment the tester is performing the tests. Kind of like a house inspector when you are buying a home. Regarding CZ, as a synthetic stone that can be created whenever you need more, it's value reflects the current cost of making them. Eventually Moissanite prices will fall to reflect the cost of making them. Regarding CZ and Moissanite, if you had 1 of each stone in front of you (not identified), I truly doubt you would choose the CZ. CZ is pretty lackluster in comparison. These stones have different chemical make-ups that drive dramatic differences in physical properties.
Diamonds have dropped in price recently and you can find lab diamonds really cheap if you look around. Lab grown diamonds are chemically identical to earth grown diamonds and can't be detected with the human eye nor diamond testers. Lab diamonds are also eco friendly and slavery free. I just ordered a 1.03 Ct should come tomorrow or sat
I'm very agree. The GRA CERTIFICATION is totally Fake. if you re-check again to real Lab, the GRA moissanite is not Color D. Maybe F or Under color grade. Clarity ok i founded VVS1, or Vs1 in GRA moissanite, but the grading color, never found.
This is the thing about buying diamonds the jeweler is changing u big bucks..but try to sell it back to him..95 percent mark up..Ive wasted lots of money on multiple diamonds for multiple wives Thay just pawn them after there done with u ..so if u really want one..buy or make a nice man's ring for your self and don't get married it's an obsolete practice that only benefits women..
Come to point? What's recognition nothing man made let the gra do whatever they are doing until unless it's not true they are real I checked them full stop
I have had GRA and GRI moissanite sent to real gemologists, and there are always discrepancies on the certs. Never D color and never vvs clarity. I’ve even gotten FL clarity grading on the certs. Moissanite gets graded according to the International Color Gemstone Grading System, grading it in diamond terminology is misleading and deceptive.
Gradings of gemologists is highly opinionated. Haven't you seen Pokemon Cards being graded? The same card goes in and out with different gradings, and especially true with different grading companies. The only question you should ask is if it looks like that to you.
@@WilliamBang Ok so every GIA graded diamond is as good as a no name certed diamond? Go talk 💩 with someone else. The GIA, IGI and other reputable labs exists for a reason.
@@abrahamspies7611 I never said that. I said every grading agency is different. What makes you believe a US agency is better than any other agency around the world? Your argument is the same thing as COVID, oh somehow the US agency was superior, yet always contracting and reserving the judgement.
@@abrahamspies7611 That's because you are not so smart. Grading is the same everywhere in the world but the evaluation is different. People grade all over the world but their evaluation is different and subjective. Why do you believe one person's grading is absolute compared to another? answer that question. They are all in the same industry whether it is Pokemon Cards or Cars or retro video games or Gems. So it's irrelevant but your are too closed minded to think others in the world also know how to Grade things, somehow you believe GIA is absolute? GIA stands for the Gemological Institute of America. Which means it's an American's Evaluation. I didn't know America = The World.
The lab created moissanite is beautiful but what is the point if it isn't real? There is real moissanite and it is very rare and available at real jewelers. If you want real then go to a brick and mortar jewler. The GRA thing I have says "GRA Created Moissanite" so they're admitting that it is lab created. It isn't worth much and I'm sure won't be worth much more in 10, 20, or 30 years but it is a stone with a lot of brilliance and very pretty. But who cares investment wise because it is usually lab created which to me means not real. Would I be mad if my soulmate got me a lab created moissanite ring. Yeah. Because I'm not going to give something like that to my son to give to his fiance and say "give her this fake diamond. It's not even real moissanite though." Come on. Invest a few hundred dollars more IF you think it will go the way of a diamond but most likely, it will go by the way of the other semi precious stones and just be another rock.
When it comes to gemstones, "synthetic" does not mean fake, it just means that the gem was not created in nature, but was created in a laboratory. Laboratory jewels are as real as those extracted from a mine, since all their physical-chemical properties are exactly the same. It is something like if we compare a human being engendered by its parents naturally with another human being obtained by cloning or in vitro laboratory techniques, in the end both are 100% real humans, only that they came to exist in different ways.
Certificate = value = price = worthy if there're no certificate means these are not worthy because we can't sell it anywhere. The only reason i attracted by this stones is they have value in their certificate and their apperance is so good. But if they have no proof of their value, i prefer buy zircon, cheaper, and who needs apperance and passed a diamond tester?I mean zircon, moissanite and diamond are looks the same fancy. So i think if i needs a cheaper alternative, i go for zircon. Otherwise if i have money, i go for a diamond. These moissanite has a blurry existences without certificate.
I ordered three "GRA certified" moissanite stones and when I received the stone and the "GRA Reports" they were all three different and NONE of the certification numbers returned as valid. My stones are real, however, as the hardness tester revealed this.
i live in china and for just over a year ive been doing moissanite jewellery and what you say is true. my background is IT and im doing a video on it with some more details soon
Hi
I have had a ring from MRA that was not ordered. I want to return it but there is no address. They are saying payment should follow.
Please advice
Alfred Lyons
@@MegaBookkeeper so you randomly received a ring in the mail? I think this is some sort of scam, the ring itself could cost a few dollars. If you tell them you refuse, they would probably issue a bunch of open threats. treat them as such.
@@MegaBookkeeper
It’s a Brushing Scam. An illegitimate way for online retailers to show delivery of items with fake reviews. Since the item showed delivered with valid tracking they can use bots to generate fake online reviews.
You have a Moissanite ring you can sell it for a little bit or give it away as a gift!
Sincerely,
TBBW🐺
Buyer beware - you're correct. The website is even a fake website ripping off GIA's website, who are a world renowned gemological institute.
There is no gra certification, a real lab would not copy gia certificates. And a real lab would let you send the stones for checking, and after payment they will send you a certificate for the stone. And gra does not have this service. So how these sellers get the certification???
@@8055lg the whole thing is fake. Fake certificates, fake lab. GRA doesn’t exist.
Saying a diamond is a thing you will eventually need is so absurd. I can't think of anything I will ever need less.
Yeah it's not a real lab until some rich dude makes it a real lab
Moissanite should not get graded in Diamond terminology. Period.
@William Bang You don’t have to use destructive means to identify Moissanite it’s very easy to identify without any testers. You don’t have to smash anything. It takes only a few seconds to identify double refraction.
TBBW🐺
Thanks for sharing! In truth, I can't figure out the double refraction lol. I don't have the same carat diamond to compare lol
@@WilliamBang I have several dozen videos showing how to check for double refraction. This requires a loupe. You really don’t need an expensive loupe a five dollar loupe on eBay will get the job done!
TBBW🐺
@@WilliamBang technically you don't need a large one to compare. Also glass is single refractive. There are moissanite testers too. But I agree all of those Reports are fake. I ran across your video doing alittle finishing information. But your right. It's totally b.s.
Try to find double refraction in some cuts is nearly impossible, for example emerald cuts or specialist moissanite cuts designed to hide it.
@@Lethalogica
I’ve never encountered any fancy cuts that I couldn’t ever spot the doubling while using 10X magnification..
What does it matter? Moissanite is much cheaper than diamonds. If the certificate is fake it does not take away from the beauty of the jewelry and no one goes around flashing their certificate of authenticity. If people want to sell this cheap jewelry, it is a different matter. To those who wear them, it makes not an iota of difference.
Thank you. Very clear explanation.
Just because the website is owned by China and not ssl registered doesn't mean it's fake. The gra Moissanites one is American you avoided looking at that one. But the way to prove they are all fake and I do suspect they are is by taking a diamond linked to each site to a jeweler and seeing if they have the code etched in. But who knows maybe some do.
The association does not exist. Charles & Colvard had a patent in many countries to restrict Silicon Carbide from being cut into a gemstone. Only South Korea rejected the US patent so what they have in Korea that is a Silicon Carbide gemstone is called Amora Gem. No international grading association is currently grading Moissanite. So the Association is fake - or is not recognized. I didn't avoid anything you can go look it up yourself. Yes, the producers of Moissanites can grade their own gemstone but that beats the purpose of proper grading.
A diamond is different. It is graded by the GIA - which is a globally accepted Institute.
@@WilliamBang first of all you shamefully implied anything from China is fake and wrongfully implied all those websites are from China. Are you denying that Moissanite labs also exist in the USA? Thirdly I don't care what you're talkin about patents and Korea, thats nonsense to me. What I want to know if those codes from the certificates are actually etched into the stones and which "fake" organizations are actually doing that and which are not. Cuz people don't care as much about the grading as they do identifying something as genuine or retrieving it when lost or stolen. Any genuine moissante people buy are going to look better than diamonds they can afford. Even if not truly a d color or truly Flawless compared to diamonds its too damn close to care especially when they shine better then diamonds that are anyways.
@@cooloutac No I did not. You didn't listen, I didn't say the Moissanite is fake. I said the organization grading it is fake thus the certificate is fake.
@@cooloutac If I made up my own University and printed myself a PhD from my University. Does that mean I have a PhD? the Moissanite labs in the US is irrelevant, there is no recognized grading association for moissanite in the US - or in the world. C&C will only grade their own moissanite.
@@WilliamBang no one cares we just want to know if it's real Moissanite and if it can be identified when lost or stolen. Have you ever heard of somebody creating a very flawed Moissanite? Hahah. Ever seen a jeweler show one on a microscope? There is no need for grading system. They are all graded the same. It's irrelevant! Again what you are failing to understand or don't want to admit is that there's multiple gra companies handing out the certificates and people buying them already know this. What we want to know which ones are the good ones and which ones are the bad ones. Painting them all with the same brush just makes you look suspect. You're not doing a public service here youre just making yourself look like a diamond Industry Shill.
You will see that part about inscription. There is one that does it legit, but no I agree. 99% are fake
All of my moissanites came with the GRA cert and had diff numbers etched in the stones girdle. Brother is a jeweler and many are going to moissanite and not diamonds. Diamonds that are small have little to 0 resale value.
did each individual moissanite gem come with a cert, or was it just one cert for every piece of jewelry you got?
There is no gra certification, a real lab would not copy gia certificates. And a real lab would let you send the stones for checking, and after payment they will send you a certificate for the stone. And gra does not have this service. So how these sellers get the certification???
@@8055lgThere's really no such thing as a certification. It's a grading agency. The certificate is of what the agency grades it as. Certs don't really matter as long as the stone is really, color looks good and inclusions are minimal. GRA does grade EF and sometimes H stones as D which isn't cool. EF colors would be fine since the eye can't tell the difference but an H color you can see the white color of the stone. I've had some moissanite that is more white than colorless. Got me a solid source now though.
Your assessment of GRA was extremely helpful. However, you are wrong about "everything goes up over time."
Moissanite and lab grown diamonds have actually declined dramatically over time, because unlimited supply items do not retain value (both stones are lab created and so you can make more whenever you want, just like the fed printing money).
Natural moissanite is extremely rare (found in meteors), so everything on the market is synthetic. When you truly have unlimited supply, no matter the demand, prices will decline until they reflect the actual cost of making them. Thus these are not investment types of stones. Natural diamonds are investment grade stones because they are truly rare (limited supply).
That said, I absolutely love my Moissanite earrings and they are more brilliant (fire-y) than diamonds. And I often suggest to clients that no matter what they use for a center stone, that the place to save money is to change all the accent diamonds to higher quality and cheaper lab grown stones.
Get to the POINT OMG!
I have one certificate here and it seems legit, the report is listed on the website with even more parameters.
I bought a Lab grown DIAMOND (seller told in the describtion)
…with a GRA-girdle number
So it’s SURE a moissanite not a diamond 😱😬
I cacelled and send it back😶
Yeah GRA is Moissanite 100%
The GRA is not official, but recognized as legit and has lab in many continents. It does reports on lab-grown diamonds, which are required by law to have a number on the girdle. If the number corresponds to a report on their site, you're good.
But we all do needs certificate for selling those stones right? If they're unable to sell, then why should i buy it? I prefer Zirconia which is much way cheaper than moissanite. If that moissanite is only for your fancy apperance everyday, why don't use zirconia? I mean, it looks nearly the same on the outside, the difference is only located on the diamond tester and certificate. But why anyone needs stone with diamond tester passed? Are you going to a party with diamond person only, Or what? I still didn't get it why people buy moissanite if there're no proof of their value in the certificate.
Certificates are not "proofs of value." They record the data about the stone at the moment the tester is performing the tests. Kind of like a house inspector when you are buying a home.
Regarding CZ, as a synthetic stone that can be created whenever you need more, it's value reflects the current cost of making them. Eventually Moissanite prices will fall to reflect the cost of making them.
Regarding CZ and Moissanite, if you had 1 of each stone in front of you (not identified), I truly doubt you would choose the CZ. CZ is pretty lackluster in comparison. These stones have different chemical make-ups that drive dramatic differences in physical properties.
Diamonds have dropped in price recently and you can find lab diamonds really cheap if you look around. Lab grown diamonds are chemically identical to earth grown diamonds and can't be detected with the human eye nor diamond testers. Lab diamonds are also eco friendly and slavery free. I just ordered a 1.03 Ct should come tomorrow or sat
I received a ring today from gra, website even look like fake, i didn't even order it, how come they send things randomly if it's expensive or real
Dude I listened to you ramble for 3 minutes about nothing.
I'm very agree. The GRA CERTIFICATION is totally Fake. if you re-check again to real Lab, the GRA moissanite is not Color D. Maybe F or Under color grade. Clarity ok i founded VVS1, or Vs1 in GRA moissanite, but the grading color, never found.
This dude speculates without any information just opinion. Sounds very young as well, why would anyone take advice from this child.
This is the thing about buying diamonds the jeweler is changing u big bucks..but try to sell it back to him..95 percent mark up..Ive wasted lots of money on multiple diamonds for multiple wives Thay just pawn them after there done with u ..so if u really want one..buy or make a nice man's ring for your self and don't get married it's an obsolete practice that only benefits women..
No bro natural diamond re expensive , lab diamonds are same as real and same price as maisonette
lol no way that lab diamond is the same price as moissanite. Recheck that
Come to point? What's recognition nothing man made let the gra do whatever they are doing until unless it's not true they are real I checked them full stop
I have had GRA and GRI moissanite sent to real gemologists, and there are always discrepancies on the certs. Never D color and never vvs clarity. I’ve even gotten FL clarity grading on the certs. Moissanite gets graded according to the International Color Gemstone Grading System, grading it in diamond terminology is misleading and deceptive.
Gradings of gemologists is highly opinionated. Haven't you seen Pokemon Cards being graded? The same card goes in and out with different gradings, and especially true with different grading companies. The only question you should ask is if it looks like that to you.
@@WilliamBang Ok so every GIA graded diamond is as good as a no name certed diamond? Go talk 💩 with someone else. The GIA, IGI and other reputable labs exists for a reason.
@@WilliamBang Comparing pokemon cards to gemology must be the most stupid thing I have read all day on the internet. 🤣
@@abrahamspies7611 I never said that. I said every grading agency is different. What makes you believe a US agency is better than any other agency around the world? Your argument is the same thing as COVID, oh somehow the US agency was superior, yet always contracting and reserving the judgement.
@@abrahamspies7611 That's because you are not so smart. Grading is the same everywhere in the world but the evaluation is different. People grade all over the world but their evaluation is different and subjective. Why do you believe one person's grading is absolute compared to another? answer that question. They are all in the same industry whether it is Pokemon Cards or Cars or retro video games or Gems. So it's irrelevant but your are too closed minded to think others in the world also know how to Grade things, somehow you believe GIA is absolute? GIA stands for the Gemological Institute of America. Which means it's an American's Evaluation. I didn't know America = The World.
The lab created moissanite is beautiful but what is the point if it isn't real? There is real moissanite and it is very rare and available at real jewelers. If you want real then go to a brick and mortar jewler. The GRA thing I have says "GRA Created Moissanite" so they're admitting that it is lab created. It isn't worth much and I'm sure won't be worth much more in 10, 20, or 30 years but it is a stone with a lot of brilliance and very pretty. But who cares investment wise because it is usually lab created which to me means not real. Would I be mad if my soulmate got me a lab created moissanite ring. Yeah. Because I'm not going to give something like that to my son to give to his fiance and say "give her this fake diamond. It's not even real moissanite though." Come on. Invest a few hundred dollars more IF you think it will go the way of a diamond but most likely, it will go by the way of the other semi precious stones and just be another rock.
When it comes to gemstones, "synthetic" does not mean fake, it just means that the gem was not created in nature, but was created in a laboratory. Laboratory jewels are as real as those extracted from a mine, since all their physical-chemical properties are exactly the same.
It is something like if we compare a human being engendered by its parents naturally with another human being obtained by cloning or in vitro laboratory techniques, in the end both are 100% real humans, only that they came to exist in different ways.
The real is G I A. GRa is fake
Certificate = value = price = worthy if there're no certificate means these are not worthy because we can't sell it anywhere. The only reason i attracted by this stones is they have value in their certificate and their apperance is so good. But if they have no proof of their value, i prefer buy zircon, cheaper, and who needs apperance and passed a diamond tester?I mean zircon, moissanite and diamond are looks the same fancy. So i think if i needs a cheaper alternative, i go for zircon. Otherwise if i have money, i go for a diamond. These moissanite has a blurry existences without certificate.