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Cara, o Michael Emerson entregou tudo nesse episódio, principalmente na cena do desabafo com a Ilana. E eu vou sentir falta desses vídeos com vocês quando terminar mas é o que o Rodrigo falou, ne? Tudo acaba. E Lost fala também sobre isso (agora posso falar pq vi nos stories que vcs terminaram a serie kkk)
I love Dr Linus, the man and the episode ❤ Definitely a top 5 in season 6 for me. Interesting that Jack doesn't think anything will happen (the dynamite) because he now has faith/believes. It mirrors the intense Jack/Locke 'push the button' interaction in the hatch when Jack tells Locke "nothing is going to happen!", precisely because he DOESN'T believe. This perfectly illustrates what Rose once told Charlie: there's a thin line between denial and faith. Loved the reaction, guys ❤
@@reatores Yes, Jack is amazing this season! If he'd been like this the entire time, he would have been in my top 5 (whereas he's not even in my top 10 😉). But I do realise it wouldn't have had the same impact without his fantastic character arc.
Todos os atores e atrizes de LOST são sensacionais, mas o Michael Emerson pra mim é o melhor. Que ator incrível. E o Ben é o meu personagem favorito. ❤
Uma coisa que eu percebi nesse vídeo por volta dos 3:00 quando o Ben e o Locke estão conversando nos flashsideways, é que a legenda as vezes deixa passar alguns detalhes que são dificeis de serem traduzidos. A legenda diz "Parece que você gosta da escola, e se o diretor não gosta, pode ser hora de mudar". Mas se você ouvir em inglês, a fala é "Parece que você gosta desse LUGAR, e se o MAN IN CHARGE não gosta, pode ser hora de mudar". Esse pequeno detalhe não muda o sentido da fala no flashsideways, mas muda completamente o entendimento dela com os acontecimentos da ilha, já que é possível traçar um paralelo com o place sendo a ilha e o man in charge sendo o Jacob (além de outras possiveis interpretações). Nunca tinha reparado nisso até hoje.
Nossa, profundo e pertinente, Vinicius! Só confirma minha certeza de que NADA nos sideways é a toa! Foi tudo cuidadosamente construído pra ter relação com o que vimos/vemos na série!
Yes.... OMG 🫢🫢🫢 I almost forgot this episode has my all time favorite Jack moment ever in it!! 🥹🥹🤩👍👍 (13:36) I'm too sick still and too tired to go into detail, but I can't tell you how often I rewatched that whole scene there with him and Richard at the Black Rock... 😅
Honestly, I love this moment so much. This must have been one of the only times, I IMMEDIATELY skipped back a minute and watched it again, even in your reaction... 😅🤭
Excellent reactions to an excellent episode. I don't think i ever connected Arzt's return to Lost being in the same episode as Richard and Jack's adventures with dynamite. BOOM!! Or at least it makes you think it might explode like before.
Rodrigo, muito obrigado pela discussão ativa com seus assinantes. Provavelmente é a primeira vez que vejo um autor de canal como você que responde tão ativamente a cada comentário. E com gentileza. Mais um episódio maravilhoso, a história do Linus, tantas coisas interessantes, nem sei por onde começar, só vou dizer que gostei mais do remorso do Ben, e a Ilana o perdoou. E acima de tudo neste episódio, gostei da frase de Ben quando ele disse ao Dr. Artz que poderia ocupar sua vaga de estacionamento, essas palavras dizem muito sobre Ben
Dmitry, é um prazer, fico feliz com seu agradecimento, e também te agradeço a sua gentileza! Nossa visão sobre Ben muda muito com esse episódio. A cena cim Ilana e sua decisão a favor de Alez nos sideways são fatores que nos dão outra perspectiva! Adoro as coisas que você citou também!
Ben had always had Problems with his dad. The only one who said "i'll have you " (i accept you) was Ilana. So he fallowed her back in the camp. I understand that cause i can relay to it... wished i had a person like Ilana too😢
What a great episode, it brings me to tears every damn time I see it. 'because he's the only one who'll have me' damn, that scene. As for Jacob not asserting power directly over Ben, I do think that Jacob wasn't pleased with how Ben was running 'the others', and that's why Jacob set up another group of 'others' at the temple. Ben's group was sort of becoming militarized, and focusing on stuff like fertility, instead of just protecting the island. The temple group seemed to be a little more spiritual based, although they certainly had weapons, and were willing to use them in some situations.
It makes sense, good theory. Really intense emotions on Ben's scenes, his character offers a different perspective of himself in this episode! The sideways are so cool!
Title in French: "Docteur Linus" (Docteur Linus) I think that in the game between the MIB and Jacob, the MIB has the right to influence people, even kill those who are not candidates, while Jacob cannot influence people, just bring them to the island where they will make their own choices. Jacob wants to prove that people can progress while MIB thinks they never change. This is why Jacob leaves the choice to Ben, while hoping that he will do the right one, although knowing him since his arrival on the island, he has seen selfishness grow in Ben. Hence the “what about you?” answering the “what about me?” opening the door to a personal questioning from Ben that he does not accept. Now Ben understands, especially knowing from Miles that Jacob still had hope for Ben, and that therefore he cared about him. And the scene between Ilana and Ben, always goosebumps.
Agreed, I would just add that Jacob could have interfered a little more if he wanted to. He's not the perfect leader/protector (we have seen the finale already, so nothing is a spoiler). He's full of issues, which makes his choices mot perfect. But after all, I think he did a good job. Richard must have taken a lot of decisions for him haha!
Man that scene between Ben and Alana gets me every time....and watching Ben get a 2nd chance by choosing Alex instead of his power is incredible......Benjamin Linus....the greatest villian I've ever rooted for....There are 5 characters I just cannot imagine LOST without and Ben is 1 of them... Hurley, Jack, Desmond and Locke as well.
Yes, my friend, that's such an emotional scene... as I said in the discussion, Ben is the villain everyone wants to have a reason to root for him. There you go... The crew was very satisfied.
Essa parte que citaram no debate do Jacob não interferir, nem mesmo na liderança rolava (passava as missões/listas e o resto era com o Ben). Tanto que em um momento, o Richard diz que o Ben tá fazendo todos perderem tempo com a parada de gravidez e esse não era o foco deles.
Ben was manipulated just like John, but John “found a loophole” and escaped from his manipulation by trying to kill himself. Ben was too obsessed to let things go, and ended up making some mistakes. John’s fate could easily been the same as Ben’s, if he stayed on the island. We have all the clues, John wanted to “be Ben”, to take his role in the story. Failing to do so was the best thing he could do. In the flashsideways we see how their life could have been without all of this misery. They had the hardest job, to believe without proof, so that every manipulation would seem like a proof. They had no way to understand the situation. Now Jack is a different kind of believer, he saw, he understood. The same applies for Hurley, but he still can’t act accordingly. Jacob being good or bad doesn’t matter, there are demigods and magic and rules, they can exploit the system once they understand it. Apparently, the mistake was believing before understanding. Oh, something I forgot to mention in the last episode, about Sayid: in season 1, Sayid tells Danielle that in the back of Nadia’s picture the inscription says: “You’ll find me in the next life”. I think that’s appropriate for Sayid to find Nadia in these "what if / flashsideways"!
Did John escape the manipulation though? He was manipulated into thinking he had to die to get everyone to go back. It may not ever have occurred to him to end his own life were it not for the fact that the seed had already been planted. And, yes, he saved himself from being manipulated into killing Jacob but, by being dead, his form was then manipulated by the MIB. So he was manipulated either way.
It's interesting - after you see the whole show - to try to estabilish the "rules" of the sideways. How much of it is an "ideal" sitiation for each of them, or how much is a situation they feel they should go through. Or how much is situations someone (God, the universe or whatever) created for them to remember and to let go.
Pontos fortíssimos nesse ep. Jack totalmente homem de fé. Ben totalmente se redimiu, O Michael Emerson falou que: "ele adorou que a serie fez com que ele fosse de um vilão odiado para um personagem que as pessoas ficaram felizes por se redimir, e que para isso ele saiu de um vilão manipulador e sempre compassos a frente e quando ele cai nas graças ele é na verdade um homem fraco e frágil que fingia estar no controle de tudo e que perdeu a única coisa que ele realmente amou". Boas reações e opiniões. Nunca tinha reparado na aula do napoleão com relação ao próprio Ben isso é muito massa. Essa parte do sideways do pai do Bem falando que eles sairam da ilha eu acredito que foi quando ele descobre que é para faxineiro. Na linha "normal" ele quase desistiu e o Horace convenceu ele a ficar. a esqueci eu gosto pra caramba da Illana pena que não apareceu antes teria sido massa ela aparecer em alguns lugares e depois pa na ilha.
Rapaz, muito massa mesmo ele explicando sobre Napoleão e na real ser sobre ele mesmo! Verdaaade, o pai do Ben quase não quis ficar na ilha mesmo, por causa do emprego de faxineiro. Muito bom ver a redenção de Ben! Todos queriam isso!
Spoiler!!!!!!!!!!!! Não acho que o pai do Ben foi para a ilha no FlashSideways. Como ele está próximo da morte, talvez tenha tido alguma lembrança. Para o Ben essas informações soam como delírios de um homem doente. Eu acho.
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Once again, Michael Emerson deserve an Oscar, every time he's almost crying I almost leave a tear. Amazing.
He surely did deserve!
Cara, o Michael Emerson entregou tudo nesse episódio, principalmente na cena do desabafo com a Ilana.
E eu vou sentir falta desses vídeos com vocês quando terminar mas é o que o Rodrigo falou, ne? Tudo acaba. E Lost fala também sobre isso (agora posso falar pq vi nos stories que vcs terminaram a serie kkk)
Siiim, sentiremos falta também!
Mas teremos uma terceira jornada eventualmente.
E o Michael Emerson arrasa demais!!
I love Dr Linus, the man and the episode ❤
Definitely a top 5 in season 6 for me.
Interesting that Jack doesn't think anything will happen (the dynamite) because he now has faith/believes.
It mirrors the intense Jack/Locke 'push the button' interaction in the hatch when Jack tells Locke "nothing is going to happen!", precisely because he DOESN'T believe.
This perfectly illustrates what Rose once told Charlie: there's a thin line between denial and faith.
Loved the reaction, guys ❤
Good call about that Rose line! I absolutely love that dynamite scene. Jack is so cool!
Thank you! 😊
@@reatores Yes, Jack is amazing this season! If he'd been like this the entire time, he would have been in my top 5 (whereas he's not even in my top 10 😉). But I do realise it wouldn't have had the same impact without his fantastic character arc.
Todos os atores e atrizes de LOST são sensacionais, mas o Michael Emerson pra mim é o melhor.
Que ator incrível.
E o Ben é o meu personagem favorito. ❤
Michael Emerson foi um achado absurdo! Que ator e que personagem!
Uma coisa que eu percebi nesse vídeo por volta dos 3:00 quando o Ben e o Locke estão conversando nos flashsideways, é que a legenda as vezes deixa passar alguns detalhes que são dificeis de serem traduzidos. A legenda diz "Parece que você gosta da escola, e se o diretor não gosta, pode ser hora de mudar".
Mas se você ouvir em inglês, a fala é "Parece que você gosta desse LUGAR, e se o MAN IN CHARGE não gosta, pode ser hora de mudar". Esse pequeno detalhe não muda o sentido da fala no flashsideways, mas muda completamente o entendimento dela com os acontecimentos da ilha, já que é possível traçar um paralelo com o place sendo a ilha e o man in charge sendo o Jacob (além de outras possiveis interpretações). Nunca tinha reparado nisso até hoje.
Nossa, profundo e pertinente, Vinicius!
Só confirma minha certeza de que NADA nos sideways é a toa! Foi tudo cuidadosamente construído pra ter relação com o que vimos/vemos na série!
Nesse episódio o Ben pra mim está oficialmente perdoado
Hahah foi o sentimento geral aqui!
Yes.... OMG 🫢🫢🫢 I almost forgot this episode has my all time favorite Jack moment ever in it!! 🥹🥹🤩👍👍 (13:36)
I'm too sick still and too tired to go into detail, but I can't tell you how often I rewatched that whole scene there with him and Richard at the Black Rock... 😅
Honestly, I love this moment so much. This must have been one of the only times, I IMMEDIATELY skipped back a minute and watched it again, even in your reaction... 😅🤭
That is such a great scene, man! And it represents perfectly the new Jack!
Excellent reactions to an excellent episode. I don't think i ever connected Arzt's return to Lost being in the same episode as Richard and Jack's adventures with dynamite. BOOM!!
Or at least it makes you think it might explode like before.
Hahahah good call!! Never made that connection! Glad you liked the reactions!
Emotional Episode , Michael Emerson is just too Good .
My Top 5 Episode of the Season .
He is incredible!!
Rodrigo, muito obrigado pela discussão ativa com seus assinantes. Provavelmente é a primeira vez que vejo um autor de canal como você que responde tão ativamente a cada comentário. E com gentileza. Mais um episódio maravilhoso, a história do Linus, tantas coisas interessantes, nem sei por onde começar, só vou dizer que gostei mais do remorso do Ben, e a Ilana o perdoou. E acima de tudo neste episódio, gostei da frase de Ben quando ele disse ao Dr. Artz que poderia ocupar sua vaga de estacionamento, essas palavras dizem muito sobre Ben
Dmitry, é um prazer, fico feliz com seu agradecimento, e também te agradeço a sua gentileza!
Nossa visão sobre Ben muda muito com esse episódio. A cena cim Ilana e sua decisão a favor de Alez nos sideways são fatores que nos dão outra perspectiva! Adoro as coisas que você citou também!
Ben had always had Problems with his dad. The only one who said "i'll have you " (i accept you) was Ilana. So he fallowed her back in the camp. I understand that cause i can relay to it... wished i had a person like Ilana too😢
Oh, I'm sorry that happened to you. It really must have a lifelong effect.
@@reatores thank you. I got over it.
What a great episode, it brings me to tears every damn time I see it.
'because he's the only one who'll have me'
damn, that scene.
As for Jacob not asserting power directly over Ben, I do think that Jacob wasn't pleased with how Ben was running 'the others', and that's why Jacob set up another group of 'others' at the temple. Ben's group was sort of becoming militarized, and focusing on stuff like fertility, instead of just protecting the island. The temple group seemed to be a little more spiritual based, although they certainly had weapons, and were willing to use them in some situations.
It makes sense, good theory.
Really intense emotions on Ben's scenes, his character offers a different perspective of himself in this episode! The sideways are so cool!
No nicknames in this episode from Sawyer
Title in French: "Docteur Linus" (Docteur Linus)
I think that in the game between the MIB and Jacob, the MIB has the right to influence people, even kill those who are not candidates, while Jacob cannot influence people, just bring them to the island where they will make their own choices. Jacob wants to prove that people can progress while MIB thinks they never change. This is why Jacob leaves the choice to Ben, while hoping that he will do the right one, although knowing him since his arrival on the island, he has seen selfishness grow in Ben. Hence the “what about you?” answering the “what about me?” opening the door to a personal questioning from Ben that he does not accept. Now Ben understands, especially knowing from Miles that Jacob still had hope for Ben, and that therefore he cared about him.
And the scene between Ilana and Ben, always goosebumps.
Agreed, I would just add that Jacob could have interfered a little more if he wanted to. He's not the perfect leader/protector (we have seen the finale already, so nothing is a spoiler). He's full of issues, which makes his choices mot perfect. But after all, I think he did a good job. Richard must have taken a lot of decisions for him haha!
Very important episode!! 😅
And also one of my favorites. 👍
Totally!
Man that scene between Ben and Alana gets me every time....and watching Ben get a 2nd chance by choosing Alex instead of his power is incredible......Benjamin Linus....the greatest villian I've ever rooted for....There are 5 characters I just cannot imagine LOST without and Ben is 1 of them... Hurley, Jack, Desmond and Locke as well.
Yes, my friend, that's such an emotional scene... as I said in the discussion, Ben is the villain everyone wants to have a reason to root for him. There you go... The crew was very satisfied.
Essa parte que citaram no debate do Jacob não interferir, nem mesmo na liderança rolava (passava as missões/listas e o resto era com o Ben). Tanto que em um momento, o Richard diz que o Ben tá fazendo todos perderem tempo com a parada de gravidez e esse não era o foco deles.
Total, acredito nisso também! Richard deve ter agido por conta própria várias vezes, imagina como ele devia ficar puto do Jacob não fazer nada kkkk
Se eu fosse chutar, diria que inicialmente o Jacob era mais participativo, depois largou de mão. Via tudo a distância kkkkk
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12:35 el inicio de Jackob 🤨💪
Jackob! Jajajaj!
13:50 This is hilarious. Love it!
Absolutely love that line hahah. "Wanna try another stick?" 😂
Melhor forma de começar a semana!
Vamooo!
Ben was manipulated just like John, but John “found a loophole” and escaped from his manipulation by trying to kill himself. Ben was too obsessed to let things go, and ended up making some mistakes. John’s fate could easily been the same as Ben’s, if he stayed on the island. We have all the clues, John wanted to “be Ben”, to take his role in the story. Failing to do so was the best thing he could do.
In the flashsideways we see how their life could have been without all of this misery. They had the hardest job, to believe without proof, so that every manipulation would seem like a proof. They had no way to understand the situation. Now Jack is a different kind of believer, he saw, he understood. The same applies for Hurley, but he still can’t act accordingly. Jacob being good or bad doesn’t matter, there are demigods and magic and rules, they can exploit the system once they understand it. Apparently, the mistake was believing before understanding.
Oh, something I forgot to mention in the last episode, about Sayid: in season 1, Sayid tells Danielle that in the back of Nadia’s picture the inscription says: “You’ll find me in the next life”. I think that’s appropriate for Sayid to find Nadia in these "what if / flashsideways"!
Did John escape the manipulation though? He was manipulated into thinking he had to die to get everyone to go back. It may not ever have occurred to him to end his own life were it not for the fact that the seed had already been planted.
And, yes, he saved himself from being manipulated into killing Jacob but, by being dead, his form was then manipulated by the MIB.
So he was manipulated either way.
It's interesting - after you see the whole show - to try to estabilish the "rules" of the sideways. How much of it is an "ideal" sitiation for each of them, or how much is a situation they feel they should go through. Or how much is situations someone (God, the universe or whatever) created for them to remember and to let go.
Pontos fortíssimos nesse ep. Jack totalmente homem de fé.
Ben totalmente se redimiu, O Michael Emerson falou que: "ele adorou que a serie fez com que ele fosse de um vilão odiado para um personagem que as pessoas ficaram felizes por se redimir, e que para isso ele saiu de um vilão manipulador e sempre compassos a frente e quando ele cai nas graças ele é na verdade um homem fraco e frágil que fingia estar no controle de tudo e que perdeu a única coisa que ele realmente amou".
Boas reações e opiniões.
Nunca tinha reparado na aula do napoleão com relação ao próprio Ben isso é muito massa.
Essa parte do sideways do pai do Bem falando que eles sairam da ilha eu acredito que foi quando ele descobre que é para faxineiro. Na linha "normal" ele quase desistiu e o Horace convenceu ele a ficar.
a esqueci eu gosto pra caramba da Illana pena que não apareceu antes teria sido massa ela aparecer em alguns lugares e depois pa na ilha.
Rapaz, muito massa mesmo ele explicando sobre Napoleão e na real ser sobre ele mesmo!
Verdaaade, o pai do Ben quase não quis ficar na ilha mesmo, por causa do emprego de faxineiro.
Muito bom ver a redenção de Ben! Todos queriam isso!
You need to find another group of friends when this is over and react to LOST again :)
I surely will!!
Spoiler!!!!!!!!!!!!
Não acho que o pai do Ben foi para a ilha no FlashSideways. Como ele está próximo da morte, talvez tenha tido alguma lembrança. Para o Ben essas informações soam como delírios de um homem doente. Eu acho.
Pode ser tb!
Oque diabos vai ser da minha vida quando chegar ao EP. 18 ? 😢😢
Aguardar uns meses até eu achar mais candidatos haha! Mas sim, sentirei falta também...
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