Allen Dulles was fired as CIA director by President Kennedy and yet Dulles was on Warren Commission, and I don't think President Kennedy would have Dulles investigating his murder. How totally absurd IS that?
indeed, this is one of the stranger side stories. it's an obvious conflict of interest. why didn't anyone in the press scream that out back then? it's obvious why the Deep State and the CIA wanted Dulles on the Commission, to block info
Sounds like a cover up to me. The very guy he fired part of an investigation to determine what happened that day. wouldn't be suprised at all if that guy was part of this terrible event
david russo, that sounds illogical and incfredible given his brother's opinion of Dulles. can you supply us with a reference for your assertion? @@davidrusso1280
@josephmango4628 The idea that any JFK assassination-related documents reveal a conspiracy and are unreleased for that reason is a myth which after 60 years only delusional people believe in.
@@basher5107 You seem pretty confident. Except for a select few, how would anyone know that? We obviously know they're hiding something, or it wouldn't have been kept secret for so long.
@@basher5107 Not only would "they"not be so foolish as to commit all or any part of a plot to kill the president to paper, once one gets that there was only Oswald, and no grand plan, it all falls neatly into place.😀
He was always thd patsy. That was his part of the assassination he just didn't know it until Kennedy was dead. That's why he said I'm just a patsy after he was arrested. An Ruby's part was to silence Oswald.
If that is true why didn’t Ruby do it on the Friday night before the Sunday shooting? Ruby was near him in the hallway and the press conference (photos confirm this). And if this is true why was Ruby at the Western Union office sending money to one of his strippers three minutes (the time stamp was 11:17) before Oswald emerged from the elevator (that 11:20 emergence was unplanned by the way)! Like many “claims” looking into the facts taking the claim further using common sense makes the “claim” to a reasonable person unsound and in many cases plain silly!
Dan I have some bad news for you if you believe that 1 bullet can make 7 wounds on 2 men then there’s no sense in trying to reason with you !! The bullet that eventually killed JFK was fired from the grassy knoll proof by the way Kennedys head went !! The police officers who were on motorcycles dropped their bikes and run guns drawn up the grassy knoll !! Why did the SS stop Dr.Earl Rose from preforming the autopsy ? Pulled guns on him to take the body when he had full jurisdiction over the case !!
David, I got bad news for you, one bullet DID commit those wounds. Both men lined up perfectly for that to happen. And for those who think a shot came from the knoll, the large majority of people there including the person in the limo and the SS all said the shots came from behind. And if you look at the Nix film on the third shot, three men on the concrete steps ran BACK up the steps toward the fence all the while looking at Kennedy. Now if their was a gun shot just 30 ft behind them, why would they react that way. They would run down and away from that fence. It’s just plain logic!
If the shots came from in front, why were the bullet fragments in the front of the car instead of the back? The windshield cracked from the inside too.
@@BobK5 Believe it or not, I got to meet Secret Service agent Clint Hill a few weeks ago. As a firsthand witness, he’s quite dismayed at the conspiracy theories gaining new life. Seems like talking science doesn’t make any difference to people who already have their minds made up. Depressing.
I agree tha LBJ knew all about it but Bush wasn’t involved. You know, the Kennedys were morally bankrupt. JFK’s sexual addiction and affairs with some very questionable women made him his own worst enemy.
@BobK5 all 3 of those knew who definitely did it. Oswald never fired a shot but I guarantee LBJ and Bush knew. LBJ was the coach and Bush was the quarterback
There were also 3 women on the fifth floor who heard the shots and who were on the stairs when Oswald would supposedly have descended in his escape and they didn't see him come down. Had Oswald been put on trial Mark Lane would have been able to introduce enough reasonable doubt to the Jury to get him off.
... which is exactly why he had to die. Very Best Regards, Tom Scott Author ● Speaker ● World's Leading Expert on the Corrupt U.S. Legal System _Stack the Legal Odds in Your Favor_ _Our American Injustice System_
There is also The Question, of what might have been found, during the Trial; during Cross-examination, and what Oswald, and other witnesses; might have said; as well as Evidence presented. There was almost a fight, between The Dallas County Medical Examiner's Office, and Secret Service and FBI Agents; since there were no Federal Laws, covering a Presidential Assassination (The last having occurred, in September, 1901, in front of many witnesses); that there was no Federal Law; Texas State Law, prevailed, and Texas Law Stated, that if a Homicide had occurred in Dallas County; it was The Duty, of The County Medical Examiner, to investigate. I could also argue, that with The President, declared dead; and The Vice-President not yet sworn in, The Secret Service's Mamdate to protect President Kennedy had expired, their Protection Mandate had shifted, to The Vice-President, who, while not yet "sworn in", was President, Pro Lege et Factum.
Oswald was as he said, a patsy and could not be allowed to live, that’s why he was very conveniently killed before he could talk. Somebody had to take the fall for Kennedy’s murder immediately and Oswald was designated as the scapegoat. I personally feel horrible for Oswald as I feel he was totally setup.
What do you mean, before he could talk?.. He gave a press conference to the entire planet then was interrogated off and on for 36 hours?.. And he connected his arrest to his defection, not a massive conspiracy.. “they have taken me in because I lived in the Soviet Union… I’m just a patsy”.. You never noticed that?!.. lol..
Yeah that's my theory to. He was alway going to be caught and Ruby was there to make sure oswald said nothing. I guess oswald figured that out when he actually said he was a patsy.
Absolutely....just watch all those clips of when they would move Oswald from one room to another in the hallway in the Police HQ, you can see he's looking, wondering which way the bullet was going to come from.....he knew it was coming.
Oswald was the fall guy. At the time of the head shot many witnesses saw oswald getting change to use a drinks machine. Like oswald said himself I'm just a patsy.
@@DeanSpence-d9cAlso remember that the motorcade was late..Oswald didn't know that..if Oswald was the shooter he would be in the window waiting on the motorcade to arrive..yet Oswald is seen in the breakroom like you said.
@insertnamehere313 I guess he was just like his bullets...... magical. He had to be to be in two places at once. But still 60 years later they are still feeding us this lone gunman crap. If that was the case they surely this all would have ended when Oswald was shot, only it didn't.
Bullshit. All Ford did was suggest changing the description of the wound for clarity. His description of the wound is not what the WC commission published.
Another CT lie. He didn’t move anything. He suggested changing the description of the wound. On top of it, they didn’t even use his suggested description. They changed it, but nobody moved any damn wound, or changed the autopsy drawing. Look it up yourself, I’m not gonna do it for you. If you want the truth, you’ll only find it by seeing it for yourself.
I'VE SEEN IT THE PHOTOS OF THE DRAWING POSER WHICH WOULD HAVE MENT KENNEDY'S THROAT COIULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN "EXIT" WOUND.... YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING EXCEPT REGURGITATE EVERY LIE EVER TOLD CAUSE YOU'RE CRUISING THE DENILE...@@jetcat132
IT MUST REALLY BE PUSSY-CAT@@jetcat132 Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford changed ever so slightly -- the Warren Commission's main sentence on the place where a bullet entered President John F. Kennedy's body when he was killed in Dallas. Mr. Ford's change strengthened the commission's conclusion that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and wounded Gov. John B. Connally, -- a crucial element in the commission's finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman. "Mr. Ford, who was a member of the commission, wanted a change to show that the bullet entered Kennedy ''at the back of his neck'' rather than in his uppermost back, as the commission originally wrote. Mr. Ford said today that the change was intended to clarify meaning, not alter history. ''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a telephone interview." .... AND HE DID MOVE THE DOT ON THE DRAW AS THEY NEVER ANTICIPATED THE PHOTOS WOULD BE RELEASED.... WHICH WHEN THE CHANGE WAS DISCOVERED...NOW GO AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK POSER AND PROVE ME WRONG. .....L....... OH THAT WAS FROM THE NY TIMES NO DOUBT YOUR SOURCE....
Oswald had another alibi as well so for people who don’t think that the alibi from the secretary was enough there are at least 2 others who could give him an alibi. LHO took his lunch break just before noon. He ate his lunch in the “domino room” on the first floor of the TSBD. He routinely ate in the domino room. There were 2 TSBD employees who had been standing just outside the front door of the TSBD waiting to see the motorcade. They couldn’t get a good view because of the crowd so they decided to go into the building and watch the motorcade from an upper floor. They couldn’t get in through the front door because of the crowd so they walked around the building and entered through the back door which was very close to the domino room. The door to the domino room had a window in it so someone passing by could see into the domino room and someone in the domino room could see someone who was passing by. The 2 men both looked through the window in the door to the domino room as they passed by. They saw LHO in the domino room and he saw them walking by. The estimated time that this happened was 12:22-12:25. LHO went to the second floor lunchroom to get a Coke and that’s where he was when the shots were fired. The motorcade was running 5 minutes late. JFK was supposed to speak at the Trade Mart at 12:30. Dealey Plaza is 5 minutes from the Trade Mart. At 12:30 the motorcade was passing through Dealey Plaza and that’s when JFK was shot. The motorcade was scheduled to be in Dealey Plaza at 12:25. The assassin(s) had no way of knowing that the motorcade was running 5 minutes late, so he/they would’ve been in place and ready by 12:25. LHO was seen in the domino room around 12:22-12:25. If he had been the assassin he should’ve already been on the 6th floor before 12:22 in order to move boxes to make the sniper’s nest and to prepare the rifle and get into position. Even if the sniper’s nest had already been made and the rifle already prepared LHO didn’t have time to make it from the first floor to the 6th floor within 3 minutes. The elevators weren’t working right then so he would’ve had to climb 5 flights of stairs. As I said even if the sniper’s nest and rifle were already prepared 3 minutes is not enough time for him to climb 5 flights of stairs, get into the sniper’s nest, grab the rifle, position himself, and aim the rifle. When LHO was questioned, I believe by the Dallas Police, they asked him where he was around the time when the shots were fired. His answer was that he was in the domino room on the first floor eating lunch around that time. When they asked if anyone saw him there he said yes that 2 black male employees walked past the domino room and he and they saw each other through the window in the domino room door. He said one of the men was called Junior and the other was a shorter man whose name he didn’t know but he would recognize him if he saw him. The 2 men that LHO said saw him in the domino room were found. One of them did go by Junior and the other was shorter as LHO described. They were questioned. Both confirmed what LHO had said - that they saw him in the domino room around 12:25. BOOM! ALIBI! I have seen photos of notes taken by police during the questioning of LHO and notes documenting what the 2 men said. They all say the same thing. Now, who *really* killed JFK? It was NOT Lee Harvey Oswald. As for whether or not LHO was involved, I suppose that’s possible but if he was he was not the shooter. He was being monitored by the CIA and FBI. He was some sort of CIA asset and an FBI agent James Hosty was assigned to him. It may be that LHO knew nothing about it. It may be that he was told some lie about him “helping” keep JFK safe. LHO didn’t kill Officer Tippit either. Tippit and his police partner Roscoe White were dirty cops. Tippit was most likely killed by someone from the Mafia or by his police partner Roscoe White because Tippit had been assigned to kill LHO but Tippit backed out. LHO was most likely told by his CIA handler to meet a contact at the Texas Theater. LHO didn’t go into the theater without paying. He paid. He also bought popcorn. The reason that the ticket lady called police was that LHO had just been in a shoe store near the theater. The clerk in the shoe store thought LHO was acting strangely and that he fit the description of the suspect that the radio was broadcasting that had been given by police. The shoe store clerk went to the theater after LHO went in and the decision was made to call police. He had 2 bills torn in half in his wallet when he was arrested. These were the type of thing that would be used by the CIA or whoever when someone was supposed to meet a contact. The person wasn’t given any identifying information about the contact. The person was to find out who the contact was by showing half of a bill and the contact would’ve had the other half. If the halves matched then the 2 people had found each other. LHO was moving around in the theater from one seat to another. He was sitting next to random people and soon after moved to a seat next to someone else. There were lots of empty seats. When there are empty seats people don’t usually choose a seat right next to a stranger. But that’s what LHO was doing repeatedly. LHO had been told that there was a private airplane waiting at Redbird Airport to fly him out of the area or out of the country. He was to meet a contact at the theater and that contact was going to see to it that LHO got to the airport. That was not the plan. It’s what LHO was told. The real plan was that police were to arrest him at the theater and LHO was supposed to be shot and killed for “resisting arrest”. That didn’t work because when LHO and the police began to scuffle LHO yelled “I am not resisting arrest.” Since Tippit refused to kill LHO and since LHO didn’t get killed by police at the theater, Jack Ruby was given the task of killing LHO.
@@txmc62 - Thank you. In case you don’t know Rob Reiner and a journalist have done very thorough research and put it together the best they could to explain what happened on that day. There is no smoking gun. No one will ever find a smoking gun. What Reiner has done is put together pieces of information that have been discovered over the last 60 years to form a picture that’s as accurate as possible. There are things that we will never know. That’s a fact. But Reiner is getting as clear and complete a picture as possible. The podcast is called Who Killed JFK? Three episodes are available now and there are 7 more coming for a total of 10. Names will be named. It was definitely a conspiracy. I haven’t listened to any episodes yet but I will.
There seems to be an appreciable amount of evidence to conclude Oswald was a "paid informant" for the FBI long before Dallas. I think that's WHY Oswald was made the patsy, because the conspirators knew he was an FBI informant and using him that way sticks it to J. Edgar Hoover. It's mighty embarrassing to have an FBI informant kill the President. The story about him threatening FBI Agent Hosty was made up AFTER the assassination when the FBI was disassociating itself from the accused assassin.
Now that sound totaly plausible to me. Like you and many others have said when the shits were fired LHO was getting change to use a drinks machine and witnesses told the police that. I believe he was part of it but he wasn't the shooter he was the fall guy he probably didn't know it until after his arrest but he was going to be blamed for the whole thing and then Ruby was there to make sure he said nothing.
Probably not, because you would have gotten your information from the actual evidence instead of letting some con artist CT author tell you what to think.
The fact that we are still waiting for government documentation to be released says everything we need to know about the JFK assassination. where's your brain man?
@@dakotalovett2450 Lol good counselor, I’m glad to see you graduates of Crackpot University are on it…. And good luck with that Oswald case, you’re gonna need it.
Read Bart Kamp’s recent book “Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture”, backed up by 1,200 sources and documents, and presenting a detailed chronology. It will change your life. A few choice quotes from said book: Oswald’s details were taken on his departure from the TSBD. There was no Hidell ID among the evidence presented on the table in the Homicide & Robbery Bureau on 22 November 1963 Marina Oswald did not recognize the rifle on Friday evening LHO did not get his phone call to contact a lawyer for almost 24 hours Fingerprints and palm prints taken away by the FBI and had to be re-done at about 01.00 on Nov 23 Oswald had the pistol tossed at him in the Texas Theater. There was no palm print under the rifle barrel on Nov 22 Nitrate tests were not known until 23 November and, even then, showed no conclusive evidence of Oswald’s having fired a rifle. Bart’s conclusion: “By the time he was ‘arraigned’ for the murder of the President, the DPD had no evidence at all to tie him to the murder weapon.” Also: How did Oswald know that James Jarman and another person (possibly Harold Norman) were inside or passing through on their way up to the fifth floor? From a legal point of view, given the disruption of the chain of evidence - most egregiously the removal of the body from Parkland without a legal Texas autopsy - a judge would have thrown the case out on Day 1 - No case to answer.
In that case you will now of course explain how the people framing him could possibly have known: - he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21, otherwise they can't pretend he smuggled the rifle Nov. 22 - he wouldn't simply stand out on the sidewalk during the parade - he would immediately flee the crime scene - he would take evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house - an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot - Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later - Oswald will fight so violently 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing - Oswald will lie to police about his whereabouts during the assassination - Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator - Oswald will refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association - Oswald will act so smug he will even convince his own brother he is guilty - Oswald will just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" - the Dallas PD is guaranteed to be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children - they are guaranteed to safely approach scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, pathologists, ballistics experts, whole commissions, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason...
Emily if you believe that then you probably also believe Jack Ruby didn’t shoot Oswald (his back was turned and the shooter was replaced with Ruby in the elevator; after all Ruby, the hanger-on, was a convenient patsy)!
@@dakotalovett2450 Beware, I've been solemnly lectured Ruby was never there, than Oswald was never even shot, and that in fact he faked his own death. I promise you I'm not making this up.
MSM basically called Oliver Stone a kook back in the day. If the truth is ever revealed, my 💰 is on Oswald not even being a shooter. Very Best Regards, Tom Scott Author ● Speaker ● World's Leading Expert on the Corrupt U.S. Legal System _Stack the Legal Odds in Your Favor_ _Our American Injustice System_
These other panelists are being steered around by Abrams who thinks he "knows" the JFK assassination and is really helping the goofy Warren Commission jibberish....Gerald Ford moved the wounds on Kennedy's body to try to create the Single Bullet Theory nonsense
So many witnesses never questioned. There are pictures of the grassy knoll showing smoke rising from the trees and people at ground level smelling smoke
There is a photo looking down thd Street before shots were fired an it shows the cars and the grassy knoll further down the street but there is a dark shadow standing at the fence
@@stony2494 yeah I've seen it it shows what people say is a guy in police uniform an the flash from the gun lights up the badge on his hat. Railway workers even say there was a policeman at the fence who told them to leave which they did why would you question a policeman on a day like that.
And of course there is a small question of why did the people run towards the grassy knoll after the limo sped away? I'd also like to know why that limo didn't speed off after the first shot?
Parkland doctors like Charles Crenshaw and Robert McClelland stated unequivocally that the large wound in the right rear section of the president's head was an exit wound, meaning the shot came from in front of him. They also stated the small wound in the front of his throat was an entrance wound, meaning that shot also came from the front. He was also shot in the back, as shown by the autopsy photos and the hole in JFK's suit jacket, which proves there were people firing from different locations and thus there was a conspiracy. Anyone saying it was Oswald, acting alone, is just lying.
Why do you believe Crenshaw (whose role in treating JFK was minor) and McClelland (who did treat JFK), rather than the other ER doctors who treated JFK at Parkland (Baxter, Carrico, Jenkins, and Perry)?
@@9Ballr Dr. Malcolm Perry is also on videotape (available on RUclips) stating the large wound in the back of the president's head was an exit wound and the small wound in the front of the throat was an entrance wound. I don't know what Baxter, Carrico and Jenkins said, but the size of the wounds tends to back up Crenshaw, McClelland and Perry. Also, I've seen in a documentary that pressure was applied to the Parkland doctors not to talk about what they'd seen when they examined JFK. So I think opinions that indicate the "official" story (of three shots fired from behind JFK) was a lie were more likely to be true, because they exposed the doctors who gave them to danger, whereas opinions that back up the "official" story did not.
The thing that really trips me up: Everyone I listen to sounds reasonable in that moment. Then I hear the other side and they sound reasonable. I would love to see a debate on each point of contention, where the "evidence" offered by each side is examined and affirmed or debunked.
It would never end. Just put the Parkland doctors on. They are the only expert witnesses that matter. They were not allowed to testify. They all agreed there were only entry wounds from the front.
Rob Reiner has a podcast called Who Killed JFK? It has 3 episodes so far. I’m not sure if more are coming or not. I haven’t listened to it yet but I watched a video where he was being interviewed about it. One thing I know from watching the interview is that Reiner’s podcast will not be going along with the Warren Commission Report. Reiner says they researched thoroughly. The podcasts will tell what he believes happened and he names names. In the interview he said something about Johnny Roselli (Mafia), E Howard Hunt and a shooter under the triple underpass shooting from in front.
@@DeanSpence-d9c - Just watched another interview with Rob Reiner about the podcast. They are going to be a total of 10 episodes. Episode three was posted on the 60th anniversary which was this past Wednesday, November 22. So there are seven more to come. I have not watched any of them yet but I will. What Reiner said in this interview is that he and some others have been researching this for 60 years. He was 16 when it happened so he was old enough to start researching right away if he wanted to. He says that Information has been coming in for the past 60 years but only in dribs and drabs. What he and the journalist he’s working with are doing is researching and gathering every piece of information they can get and trying the best they can to get everything in one place so that they can start putting pieces together to make a picture that tells as well as possible what happened that day. He said there is no smoking gun. No one will ever find a smoking gun. I agree. He said we can put the pieces together and analyze the data and put it together so that we know as much as it’s possible for us to know at this time. there are some things that we are never going to know, but he says we can get a pretty good idea of what happened through this research that he’s been doing for the podcast. It sounds so exciting! He did say in this interview that they verified that there were four professional assassins in Dallas that day. By the end of the podcasts, he will tell us who the assassins most likely were, and as best they can tell where they were positioned. He says some people have said that there might have been as many as six shooters so that’s possible but he knows for sure there were four. He said that there was definitely a conspiracy. I hope you enjoy the podcast. I hope I do too. Have a nice night.
When Abrams says, "...this is my opinion, my analysis..." I laughed out loud. "analysis" my ass. Is he being stupid, ignorant or just intellectually lazy? Take your pick. The man knows nothing compared to the encylopedic knowledge of Robrt Groden.
"The man knows nothing compared to the encylopedic knowledge of Robrt Groden." And yet, despite the supposed extent of his knowledge, he makes a provably false claim in this video when he says that Mrs. Reid was inside the building giving Oswald change at the moment the shots were being fired. But she never said that. Instead she said that she was outside the building watching the motorcade when the shots were fired (she even said she thought the shots came from the building itself) and that she did not see Oswald until several minutes after the shots were fired, after she went back inside the building and went back up to her office on the second floor. It was only then that she finally saw Oswald, who was walking through her office in a direction that was away from the lunchroom, while holding a bottle of soda. And she never said that she gave him change on the day of the assassination. Instead she said the only times she had given him change were on earlier dates.
@@Patriot1777 Please see below the results of the test… During his questioning Lee Harvey Oswald was administered a paraffin test by W. E. Barnes of the Dallas Police Department. In this test warm paraffin, which is applied to the skin to open up its pores, collects contaminants. If the suspect had fired a gun, one potential contaminant would be the nitrates from gun powder residue. Once the paraffin hardens, either diphenylamine or diphenylbenzidine is introduced to the paraffin cast, which will turn it blue in the presence of nitrates. Thus, the presence of blue dots on the paraffin casts is evidence that the suspect had fired a gun. A paraffin test was applied to Oswald's hands and right cheek; his hands reacted positively, whereas his cheek did not. His hands DID react positively, and his cheek did not. These are facts, not nonsense
@@Patriot1777 Oswald was negative for powder on his cheek, but he was positive for powder on his hands. Those are the facts, not the selective crap you hear and repeat. The paraffin test was found unreliable by the FBI even before the assignation. It doesn’t prove anything either way, guilty or innocent. .
reids testimony states she was on the street when the shots rang out. afterward, she went back into the building and up to the second floor where she saw oswald.
If the guy owns a set of the 26 volumes, and has read any of it, he should know exactly why people started questioning the official theory. The Warren Report had its own mountain of evidence completely contradicting it’s own theory. For example, the reports from the Dallas doctor’s stating clearly that the cerebellum was falling out on to the table because there was a gaping exit wound in the back of his head. The “official” autopsy photo of the back of the head shows that area in tact. It also looks blatantly painted at the neck line. You can say that is an opinion but the guy who took the autopsy photos said himself that he did not take that photo and that is NOT how Kennedy’s head looked. He also said that there was a gaping wound in the back of JFK’s head. The Parkland doctors have never wavered on their description of Kennedy’s wounds and are restating again in a new documentary. Are they conspiracy theorists? What this program proved more than anything was circular thinking.
I believe Earl Warren had a secret charge from LBJ that NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWED, the findings of the Warren Commission COULD NOT ALLOW THE CIA TO FORCE A WAR WITH CUBA. Blaming it all on Oswald did that.
a) Story of the guy photographing the autopsy is very unreliable. b) Parkland doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, directions, etc. They are also seen on NOVA in 1988 examining the autopsy photos and having no particular problem with them. c) What the hell is the POINT of faking the autopsy? Just to conceal the existence of a second shooter? d) How do you safely approach scores of FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason? e) How is hijacking bodies, performing surgeries, altering wounds, faking photos, forging x-rays, falsifying reports, committing perjury by the dozen, bluffing their way through subsequent investigations, and piling cover-ups atop cover-ups a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine?
Ford's notations "move" the wound from basically above the shoulder to base of the neck, big deal. You failed to mention the photos and x-rays plainly show the wound's exact location anyway.
So who made him carry his paper wrapped disassembled rifle (that he told his coworker were curtain rods) into work that morning? He fled the scene, and then shot a Dallas police officer, then tried to shoot another when apprehended at the Texas Theater.
The rifle was in TSB by other means---he didn't carry it in a brown paper bag--He was a part of the Conspiracy and was monitoring it as an FBI Informant---he had actually stopped the Chicago Assassination plot on November 1st by calling the Secret Service & CPD who arrested a man named Vallee who was a disgruntled Ex Marine working in a warehouse overlooking Kennedy's motorcade route in downtown Chicago. JD Tippit was in on it too---he was either to drive Oswald to Texas Theatre or kill him as a part of the frame up--but he ran into another conspirator and was killed. Lots of good information out there if you're not lazy and gullible@@garyferguson1105
In that case we look forward to you explaining how somebody framing him could possibly have known: - he would show up unexpectedly at the house Nov. 21 - he wouldn't simply stand out on the sidewalk during the parade - nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle - he would immediately leave the crime scene - an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - Officer Tippit wouldn't simply outdraw and capture his attacker, blowing the whole plot - Oswald would get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop - Oswald would lie to police and refuse to cooperate - Oswald would refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association - Oswald would act so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty - Oswald would just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
He owned the rifle. He smuggled the rifle. His latent print was on the rifle. All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to his rifle. He lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting. He was the only employee inside the building during the shooting to immediately flee the plaza. He took evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house. He was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as murdering a cop and fleeing. Shells were matched to the gun he owned and was in possession of. He was plainly seen trying to hide from passing police. He was plainly seen trying to dodge more police by ducking into the theater. He was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop. He was caught fighting so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him. He observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing. He refused to cooperate with any investigator. He refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association. He was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes. He acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty. He just shrugged a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" And that's just for starters.
Ford's notations "move" the wound's location from basically above the shoulder to base of the neck, big deal, and autopsy photos and x-rays plainly still show the wound's exact location anyway. Enough with this crackpot conspiracy paranoia already.
The thing that bothers me about the claim that Oswald had no involvement is the fact that he had brought his rifle with him to work that day claiming the package was curtain rods. If the package was in fact curtain rods, why weren't they found at the scene?
We know he brought a package he said were curtain rods. We also know the alleged murder weapon could not be broken down in a way that would fit the description of the package given by the witness who told that story to the police. Another discrepancy - Oswald allegedly bought a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. The rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository was originally described as a Mauser and the rifle FIRST displayed by the Dallas police while being removed from the TSBD WAS indeed a Mauser rifle.
@@Pudentame Not true, rifle could easily have fit. No Mauser was ever found, cops freely admitted they misidentified the unfamiliar rifle at first, big deal. News film clearly shows it to be a Carcano, to which all bullets and fragments ever found were matched, and obviously the idea somebody left the wrong kind of rifle, or multiple rifles, lying around the crime scene for an army of cops to find is laughable.
@@Pudentame The package was 38 inches long, the disassembled rifle was slightly less than 35 inches long. Never go by a witnesses' estimation instead of established facts (the package was measured after it was found).
Then why didn't Oswell mention how this woman gave him change he never mentioned anything for that for his Alibi his only only thing he said on his Alibi that he was eating lunch with a couple of his co-workers who he did name now if this woman actually saw him he sure as hell would have said yes Mrs gave me the change this just doesn't make sense
Panic. He knew he was the fall guy an he was going to get the blame even tho several witnesses said Oswald was getting change to use a drinks machine in a canteen. He probably also knew that if he was caught he would be silenced before he could say anything. Enter Ruby and the rest is history.
That is certainly plausible if he did, indeed, have SOME sound inkling that he would be made a patsy. I believe he had to be involved because of that fear of being fingered for it.
@@davidrusso1280 he was clearly involved in it but like I said he never knew that he was the fall guy from the start. That's why he said " I'm just a patsy ". An it was probably after those very words ruby was given the orders to silence him.
I think that is sound reasoning. I do not believe that Oswald can be fully exonerated from every aspect of this. Evidence of (at least) his collusion is strong.
@@davidrusso1280 yeah of course, he was definitely part of this assassination but he just didn't realise what his part was until after the event. But by then his fate was sealed and he knew it which is why he ran.
If there's one thing that makes me believe that it was a conspiracy it's the fact that the book depository doesn't line up with the wounds. Oswald couldn't have hit the president in the throat and the timple from a building the is on the right hand side of the motorcade.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and the only way it could do that is through Kennedy's exit wound at the throat. Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a perfect trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window. Kennedy's massive exit wound plainly seen exploding at the temple is consistent only with a shot from behind. Connally's said the shots all came from behind. Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos. Witnesses a few feet under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there. Zapruder's secretary was yards away from the fence and saw nobody there. All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle. It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns.
_“(Oswald) went to 2nd floor to get coca cola to eat with lunch and returned to 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch P. parade.”_ (Handwritten notes of James Hosty after Oswald interrogation) _“…claims 2nd floor coke when off(icer) came in to 1st floor/had lunch out with Bill Shelley in front”_ (Handwritten notes of Will Fritz after Oswald interrogation) - If he was on the sixth floor, how did he know Bill Shelley was out front?
@@peterdixon7734 Oswald may or may not have seen Shelley on his way out of the building. Big deal. Shelley’s own story is inconsistent. He said he had lunch with Shelley out front, right? But he also told the cops he was eating lunch in the first floor lunch room with a “negro” he did not name. None of the TSBD employees confirmed his story of having eaten lunch with Oswald. He lied repeatedly to police, changing his story several times.
@@peterdixon7734 Lol…. Maybe he just took a stab at it. Maybe he saw Shelley outside when he fled the building, but that would be tenuous because Shelley said he did not return to the building until 5 minutes after the shooting, and Oswald was out of the building within 3 minutes of the shooting. Either way, who cares? He was a proven pathological liar. He lied on just about every job application and interview, lied about his military record, lied about his local Fair Play For Cuba recruiting, lied about his identity, and lied to the cops the whole time he was in custody. Why would a man who just killed the President of the United States, killed a cop, fled, and resisted arrest tell the truth? Oswald said he saw Shelley outside, big deal. He also said he ate lunch with him, and then told the cops he ate lunch with Jr. Jarman in the first floor lunchroom, which Jarman flatly denied. I sure wouldn’t hitch my “Oswald was innocent because he saw Shelley outside” wagon to that star.
@@jetcat132 "Maybe he took a stab at it."? An inspired "stab", it would seem. The DPD should have asked him all the profound questions about God, philosophy and the human condition while they had him there.
60 years ago in 1963 and now 2023 and in 60 years from now 2083 They don't know who did it and they will never know ...... MAYBE IT WAS JOHN WILKES BOOTH HE CAME BACK FROM THE GRAVE AND DID IT....
Oswald if he was gettin’ change for a Coke when the Assassination happened only had to turn up at roll call and he would’ve had a rock tight alibi for the Assassination. But, he didn’t have an alibi for the fact his gun was most likely used, even if he didn’t use it himself. He could’ve been a ‘Patsy’ like he said he was?? It sounds like he might’ve wanted to take the blame for everythin’, coverin’ for someone or somethin’… Robert Hill YT Comment “I too was there on that terrible day. I was standing on the corner of Main and Houston streets. Prior to the arrival of the limousine I saw Oswald and his rifle in the 6th floor. I advised a Policeman in an existing picture that includes me, however his response was “it’s probably a secret service agent”. As I began to walk away I heard the first shot, then two quickly consecutive shots, then a fourth shot. The head shot came from the grassy knoll where police and bystanders were running toward the area because of the shot. Oswald may have shot Kennedy but the kill shot came from the grassy knoll. I wrote to the Warren Commission who never responded to my letter. Guess they didn’t want a 4th shot or a second assassin. I’m 78 now but I’ll never forget that day.” ruclips.net/video/M32567ZQECk/видео.html
how dumb would somebody have to be to believe that after all of this, oswald had an "airtight alibi"?! fwiw, mrs reid testified under oath she was outside at the time the shots were fired and saw oswald a few minutes later...
Oswald was a patsy, selected for his assets not concerned with marksmanship. He might have brought the rifle to the Book Depository (the "curtain rods"), but he never fired a shot. The first shot might have come from the 6th Floor "hide", but it was to set up the other shooters, because that position would allow the first shooter to pinpoint the position of the limo, in relation to the yellow curb marks, to tell the other shooters, on on the Grassy Knoll, another in the Dal-Tex Building (probably, but not for certain). Westerbrook, the Dallas Police Captain who "found" the wallet supposedly Oswald's, stopped briefly outside the south doors to the Dal-Tex Building, immediately after he pulled away from the Book Depository, before proceeding to the Tippets' shooting scene, where he produced the wallet. Everything about the Tippits murder screams "distraction" and "after-the-fact" thinking. I'd bet the farm it was the Body Double, who was running, cuz he'd figured out the "patsy" was expendable, making him a supernumerary, too. Tippits was probably directed to that location, by the forces running the show, to pick up the Body Double and dispose of him, literally. The BD figured it out, turned tables on Tippits, and made his escape. Dallas Police folded this in, to quell any questions about WHY Tippits was NOT in his assigned patrol area, when he was seen, earlier, and at the shooting site. It's also likely that all the protagonists in the sideshow drama that followed the murder of JFK were familiar with one another, to prevent errors in identification, except the shooters, who were probably dead by sundown, anyway,
You are TRULY sick. Just sit there giving your middle finger and one great big "F-word you!" to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as you happily opine away without evidence the man was a conspirator and traitor so long as it suits your despicable and crackpot "theories." Hope you are proud of yourself. This is not a parlor game.
Interesting thing about that - part of the "evidence" against Oswald were .38 cal shell casings found at the scene of Tippit's murder. Oswald owned a REVOLVER that did not eject shells. Also at Tippit's autopsy bullets from two different guns were found in his body.
@@Pudentame Oswald used different types of ammo, big deal. Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing. Shells were matched to the revolver he owned and was in possession of. He was plainly seen trying to hide from passing police. He was plainly seen ducking into the theater to dodge more passing police. He was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop. He fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him. He observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing. Who the hell do you THINK shot down a cop on that exact street at that exact time???
@@Pudentame Completely untrue. Part of the eyewitness testimony was that they watched Oswald shake the empty shell casings out of the revolver himself. There were NOT bullets from two different guns as you inaccurately state. Oswald’s .38 had been bored to accept .38 special ammo, and that modification was found to have caused the rounds to wobble on the way out of the weapon. That left the four bullets badly mutilated when recovered, and three were unable to be matched to the .38, but one was. But the shell casings recovered at the scene were all positively matched to the same gun Oswald purchased, owned, and was arrested with it in the Texas Theater while trying to shoot a cop.
There was faulty chain of command with that gun and the ballistic evidence. Not to mention Oswald's 4(!) wallets the police supoosedly took from him and the numerous witnesses who saw another man shoot Tippet. The so called evidence would be thrown out.
@@clath2823 There is, of course, no evidence he went to the theater to meet anybody. In fact, he was plainly seen ducking into it to dodge the police screaming past outside.
The "curtain rods" story was propounded only by Wesley Buell Frazier and his sister. A TSBD employee, Jack Dougherty, who saw Oswald arrive at work, said he was carrying nothing. Oswald rejected the curtain rods story and, according to an investigator present at his questioning, said he had only his lunch in a small bag. Frazier was apparently threatened with being charged as an accessory to Kennedy's murder, so it's reasonable to think that he might have been suggestible.
All credible medical, forensic, ballistic, eyewitness, and film evidence clearly demonstrate the shots all came from the sixth floor window, and from Oswald's rifle.
Every Body Any Body has an Air Tight " A Libi" as long as you keep the Air tight when you puncture the tight the A Libi runs and he ran as the Air went out of the tight
The ancient work will be accomplished, And from the roof evil ruin will fall on the great man: They will accuse an innocent, being dead, of the deed: The guilty one is hidden in the misty copse. (Century 6, Quatrain 37)
"Oswald had airtight alibi"? It must he the one where he (Oswald) was enjoying a Coke (which he never drank) with Victoria Adams (who came by only after Oswald had already fled the building). More than "airtight," it's full of air, hot air, a foul wind emanating from the nether regions.
"AIR TIGHT ALIBI!" No it isn't, because Mrs. Reid never said what Groden falsely claimed she said. She never said she was inside the building giving change to Oswald at the time the shots were fired. Instead, on multiple dates in multiple years she said she was outside the building watching the motorcade when the shots were fired, and that she did not see Oswald until several minutes later, after she had gone back inside and gone back up to her office on the second floor. Only then did she say she finally saw him, walking through her office in a direction that was away from the lunchroom while holding a bottle of soda.
Funny how after all these years Groden has never attempted to explain how the hell anybody safely approaches scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, Air Force One personnel, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, photographers, x-ray technicians, staffs at embassies in another country, Oswald family members, whole commissions, lawyers, senators, congressmen, the D.A., the Chief Justice, etc., and persuades them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason...
He's a notorious con artist. The crook actually screens Zapruder's film at lectures with a phony soundtrack filled with bogus gunshots slapped over it, not once telling his audience it's fake. Jesus! LOL
@@aaronz7056 well that's one way of telling us you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO clue what you're talking about. Even congressional hearings in the 70s accepted that was simply not reality, despite what the Warren Commission had tried to sell us.
Open challenge to this lying con artist Groden... Explain away ALL of the following: Oswald owned the rifle. Oswald smuggled the rifle. Oswald's latent print was on the rifle. All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle. Oswald was a credible match for the man seen in the window. No unidentified persons were ever found in the building. Witnesses a few feet under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. Oswald was the only employee inside the building to immediately flee the crime scene. Oswald took evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house. Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Officer Tippit and fleeing. Shells were matched to the revolver he owned and was in possession of. Oswald was plainly seen trying to hide in the storefront from passing police. Oswald was plainly seen ducking into the theater to dodge more passing police. Oswald was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop. Oswald fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him. Oswald observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing. Oswald refused to cooperate with any investigator. Oswald lied to police about his whereabouts during the assassination. Oswald refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association. Oswald was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes. Oswald acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty. Oswald never attempted to blow any conspiracy framing him to anybody. Oswald just shrugged a hollow, rambling, unsurprised reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" And this clown just dismisses all of that and lets him off the hook based on THIS...???
There's no need to "explain away" unfounded allegations. Points one to three about the rifle are by no means clear. What is even meant by "the" rifle or "Oswald's rifle"? That makes so many assumptions that it is laughable. In what sense was the rifle ever "smuggled"? Point 4 is untrue. Point 5 is meaningless: whoever was convicted on being "a credible match" for someone, especially when there are several contradictory witness statements? In the case of the witnesses who saw two men on the sixth floor of the Book Depository, was Oswald a match for both?! Point 8 - that Oswald was the only employee to leave the building - is a widely believed myth, but a myth nonetheless. Point 9 about "evasive action" is silly: was everyone who left the School Book Depository taking "evasive action"? As for point 10, the circumstances of the ID parades for the Tippit shooting were comical: Oswald was made to give his name and place of employment, which completely invalidated the procedure; he also didn't look remotely like the other "suspects" in the line-up. Point 11: some of the shells from the revolver presented in evidence were the wrong sort of ammunition; the chain of evidence was not preserved in any serious way (even Bugliosi doesn't try to make a serious case that Oswald shot Tippit: he just asserts that we know it). Not a single one of the points in the second paragraph has any meaningful relation to the question of whether Oswald killed anyone. No verbatim record was kept of his interrogation, so it's impossible to say which of these assertions - if any - is true, but it's easy to see that most of them are irrelevant. I find it fascinating that the witness statements that exonerate Oswald came almost entirely from women (and one disabled man). In the early 60s, their evidence did not have the weight that it would be accorded today...
@@chrisbirmingham5132 Buddy: I listed hard, demonstrable and credible evidence, for goodness' sake, and its hilarious watching you, in true conspiracy theorist style, just summarily dismiss all of it and let Oswald off the hook at every turn. It's almost as funny as you not making the slightest attempt to offer up any credible or plausible alternate scenario here, just take it for granted scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, Oswald family members, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, whole commissions, lawyers, senators, congressmen, the D.A., the Chief Justice, etc., were all bending over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason. Oh, and the shells were matched right to his gun, he was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing, and reports from each of his interrogators were included in the WR, comprising some 40 pages. So tell me, how many of those OTHER employees who left the crime scene: a) were INSIDE the building during the shooting b) never returned c) were soon caught red-handed trying to shoot a cop soon after d) were only interested in lawyers they'd never met living in another state who specialized in left wing causes e) acted so smug they even convinced their own brothers they were guilty?
@@aaronz7056 If all crimes could be solved by offering one scenario, promulgating it through an enormous report that had complete buy-in from all the major media (quite understandably because no one wanted to trigger WWIII), and then challenging the rest of the world to offer an alternative version, life would be simple indeed. Since you clearly imagine yourself to be rational, could you please explain what your points d) and e) have to do with anything? As I recall, Oswald asked to contact a lawyer from the American Civil Liberties Union: that hardly seems suspicious. He is also reported as having tried to place a call to a former member of US Naval Intelligence. And smugness - really?! So many people try to make this a contest between "conspiracy theorists" and the rest. That isn't a rational approach. Many serious and intelligent people at the time didn't think Oswald killed Kennedy, not the least of them France's General De Gaulle, who was hardly prone to flabby thinking. I doubt if he would have asked why a lot of School Book Depository workers just went home and didn't come back on that afternoon. There is, after all, such a thing as common sense.
@@chrisbirmingham5132 Your childish insult is noted. That's your idea of responding to my long list of questions? You know what DOES seem suspicious? All of Oswald's actions I described above, which you appear to be summarily dismissing out of hand as you shrug and let him off the hook at every turn. I repeat: All bullets and fragments were matched. Oswald was a credible match, he was in a building where no unidentified persons were ever seen, and he was the only employee inside to immediately flee and never return. De Gaulle was not conducting the investigation for crying out loud. What does "I doubt he would have asked why a lot of Scholl Book Depository workers just went home" have to do with anything? It's called "establishing every employee's whereabouts," and Oswald was the only one who didn't return for the roll call. I repeat, Oswald was only interested in John Abt, a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes. You know, just as you or I would do in similar circumstances if we were innocent. Story of him trying to call out to some intelligence operative was debunked many years ago, and by two conspiracy authors no less. You're lecturing me "there is after all such a thing as common sense" as you just sweep under the rug such minor details as him being ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting a cop and fleeing, or being caught red-handed trying to murder another police officer. Equally funny you lecture me about common sense under my open challenge to a notorious liar and a despicable grifter.
@@aaronz7056 Ignoring your silly comments for the moment and the questionable assertions that you just keep making in Trump-like fashion (as though that makes them true), what on earth is your argument about John Abt? Why should I not have a lawyer of my choice if I were accused of something I didn't do? Why would I (or anyone) want a lawyer from such a corrupt city as Dallas was in the 1960s? On another theme (I won't go through all of them), do you really believe there was a rollcall? This is the evidence Roy Truly gave to the Warren Commission: 'Mr. BALL. Now, what did you tell Chief Lumpkin when you came down from the roof of the building? Mr. TRULY. When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that "We have a man here that's missing." I said, "It my not mean anything, but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr. Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get--quickly get his address in Irving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I would be. Mr. BALL. Was he the only man missing? Mr. TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun. Mr. BALL. But walking which way? Mr. TRULY. The last time I saw him, he was walking across Houston Street, east on Elm. Mr. BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards? Mr. TRULY. No, no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't there.' This "incomplete check" seems to have morphed into the idea of a rollcall at some point - possibly from a statement made by Wesley B Frazier in 2003. That is forty years after the event. Credible evidence? Further, and just for the record, I am not sweeping any identification under any sort of rug. The critique of the Tippit identity parade is well-known, not to mention all the other oddities in the Tippit shooting accusation (impossibility of walking to the scene in the time available, discrepancies in the call logs, Hidell wallet conveniently left at the scene, odd ammunition mismatch, strange misidentification of revolver as "automatic weapon", police failure to interview person who actually reported the incident etc.). As for the bullets in the case, that's another long and contested story (amusing, not least, for the way the official version had to perform a volte face during the Warren enquiry). Not for nothing did a senior police officer suggest that a court would not have been able to convict Oswald.
He couldn't be. Several witnesses told police he was in a canteen getting change to use a drinks machine when Kennedy was shot. They denied tested oswald for gun residue. He did not fire a gun that day. That is a proven fact.
Oswald was getting change to use a drinks machine when Kennedy was shot. He ran because he worked out he was the fall guy. A test proved oswald did not shoot a gun that day.
@jhfit several witnesses told the police At the time Kennedy was shot Oswald was in a canteen getting change to use the drinks machine. So he couldn't have been in two places at once.
Allen Dulles was fired as CIA director by President Kennedy and yet Dulles was on Warren Commission, and I don't think President Kennedy would have Dulles investigating his murder. How totally absurd IS that?
indeed, this is one of the stranger side stories. it's an obvious conflict of interest. why didn't anyone in the press scream that out back then? it's obvious why the Deep State and the CIA wanted Dulles on the Commission, to block info
Sounds like a cover up to me. The very guy he fired part of an investigation to determine what happened that day. wouldn't be suprised at all if that guy was part of this terrible event
In point of fact, Robert Kennedy lobbied to have Dulles on the Warren Commission.
david russo, that sounds illogical and incfredible given his brother's opinion of Dulles. can you supply us with a reference for your assertion?
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@davidrusso1280 yes he did.
The fact that we are still waiting for government documentation to be released says everything we need to know about the JFK assassination.
AND WMD IN IRAQ
@josephmango4628 The idea that any JFK assassination-related documents reveal a conspiracy and are unreleased for that reason is a myth which after 60 years only delusional people believe in.
There never was or will be anything that will appear on paper any sort of smoking gun in the archives,why would there be?
@@basher5107 You seem pretty confident. Except for a select few, how would anyone know that? We obviously know they're hiding something, or it wouldn't have been kept secret for so long.
@@basher5107 Not only would "they"not be so foolish as to commit all or any part of a plot to kill the president to paper, once one gets that there was only Oswald, and no grand plan, it all falls neatly into place.😀
OSWALD WAS MADE A PATSY, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THEN HE WAS TAKEN OUT BY RUBY
He was always thd patsy. That was his part of the assassination he just didn't know it until Kennedy was dead. That's why he said I'm just a patsy after he was arrested. An Ruby's part was to silence Oswald.
If that is true why didn’t Ruby do it on the Friday night before the Sunday shooting? Ruby was near him in the hallway and the press conference (photos confirm this). And if this is true why was Ruby at the Western Union office sending money to one of his strippers three minutes (the time stamp was 11:17) before Oswald emerged from the elevator (that 11:20 emergence was unplanned by the way)! Like many “claims” looking into the facts taking the claim further using common sense makes the “claim” to a reasonable person unsound and in many cases plain silly!
So why was Ruby there at all? Why did Ruby shoot him? Surely Ruby knew what would happen soon as he shot Oswald.
@@dakotalovett2450 There is a claim that Ruby was blackmailed to kill Oswald.
@@DeanSpence-d9c Ruby was obsessed with this nobody who had shot his beloved president. Ruby thought he would be viewed as a hero after he shot him.
Dan I have some bad news for you if you believe that 1 bullet can make 7 wounds on 2 men then there’s no sense in trying to reason with you !! The bullet that eventually killed JFK was fired from the grassy knoll proof by the way Kennedys head went !! The police officers who were on motorcycles dropped their bikes and run guns drawn up the grassy knoll !! Why did the SS stop Dr.Earl Rose from preforming the autopsy ? Pulled guns on him to take the body when he had full jurisdiction over the case !!
David, I got bad news for you, one bullet DID commit those wounds. Both men lined up perfectly for that to happen. And for those who think a shot came from the knoll, the large majority of people there including the person in the limo and the SS all said the shots came from behind. And if you look at the Nix film on the third shot, three men on the concrete steps ran BACK up the steps toward the fence all the while looking at Kennedy. Now if their was a gun shot just 30 ft behind them, why would they react that way. They would run down and away from that fence. It’s just plain logic!
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If the shots came from in front, why were the bullet fragments in the front of the car instead of the back? The windshield cracked from the inside too.
Take a look at the work of Luke and Michael Haag if you want to ditch the guesswork in favour of the science.
@@BobK5 Believe it or not, I got to meet Secret Service agent Clint Hill a few weeks ago. As a firsthand witness, he’s quite dismayed at the conspiracy theories gaining new life. Seems like talking science doesn’t make any difference to people who already have their minds made up. Depressing.
LBJ and Bush knows all about it
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I agree tha LBJ knew all about it but Bush wasn’t involved. You know, the Kennedys were morally bankrupt. JFK’s sexual addiction and affairs with some very questionable women made him his own worst enemy.
so does your mom.
So do I, it was Oswald, LBJ and Bush were pasty’s……
@BobK5 all 3 of those knew who definitely did it. Oswald never fired a shot but I guarantee LBJ and Bush knew. LBJ was the coach and Bush was the quarterback
There were also 3 women on the fifth floor who heard the shots and who were on the stairs when Oswald would supposedly have descended in his escape and they didn't see him come down. Had Oswald been put on trial Mark Lane would have been able to introduce enough reasonable doubt to the Jury to get him off.
... which is exactly why he had to die.
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@michaelkulyk: They were on the Fourth Floor; they worked for the Scott Foresman Company.
There is also The Question, of what might have been found, during the Trial; during Cross-examination, and what Oswald, and other witnesses; might have said; as well as Evidence presented. There was almost a fight, between The Dallas County Medical Examiner's Office, and Secret Service and FBI Agents; since there were no Federal Laws, covering a Presidential Assassination (The last having occurred, in September, 1901, in front of many witnesses); that there was no Federal Law; Texas State Law, prevailed, and Texas Law Stated, that if a Homicide had occurred in Dallas County; it was The Duty, of The County Medical Examiner, to investigate. I could also argue, that with The President, declared dead; and The Vice-President not yet sworn in, The Secret Service's Mamdate to protect President Kennedy had expired, their Protection Mandate had shifted, to The Vice-President, who, while not yet "sworn in", was President, Pro Lege et Factum.
He had a solid witness the lady in the break room where he asked her for change for the soda machine when they heard the shots.
All untrue
Oswald was as he said, a patsy and could not be allowed to live, that’s why he was very conveniently killed before he could talk.
Somebody had to take the fall for Kennedy’s murder immediately and Oswald was designated as the scapegoat.
I personally feel horrible for Oswald as I feel he was totally setup.
What do you mean, before he could talk?.. He gave a press conference to the entire planet then was interrogated off and on for 36 hours?..
And he connected his arrest to his defection, not a massive conspiracy.. “they have taken me in because I lived in the Soviet Union… I’m just a patsy”..
You never noticed that?!.. lol..
He had 2 days to talk.
Yeah that's my theory to. He was alway going to be caught and Ruby was there to make sure oswald said nothing. I guess oswald figured that out when he actually said he was a patsy.
Absolutely....just watch all those clips of when they would move Oswald from one room to another in the hallway in the Police HQ, you can see he's looking, wondering which way the bullet was going to come from.....he knew it was coming.
@chriswarren3090 yes I'm certain he knew it was coming to. He knew once he was caught he would be silenced.
There was more than just one witness giving Oswald an alibi. The conspiracy theory is that Oswald acted alone.
Do u see how they have tainted thar phrase to make u use it as synonymous with fake theory?
Oswald was the fall guy. At the time of the head shot many witnesses saw oswald getting change to use a drinks machine. Like oswald said himself I'm just a patsy.
Well said!
@@DeanSpence-d9cAlso remember that the motorcade was late..Oswald didn't know that..if Oswald was the shooter he would be in the window waiting on the motorcade to arrive..yet Oswald is seen in the breakroom like you said.
@insertnamehere313 I guess he was just like his bullets...... magical. He had to be to be in two places at once. But still 60 years later they are still feeding us this lone gunman crap. If that was the case they surely this all would have ended when Oswald was shot, only it didn't.
GERALD FORD; THIS IS THE MAN WHO ALTERED THE AUTOPSY DRAWING BY MOVING THE ENTRANCE LOCATION OF THE BULLET THAT ENTERED KENNEY'S BACK...
Bullshit. All Ford did was suggest changing the description of the wound for clarity. His description of the wound is not what the WC commission published.
Another CT lie. He didn’t move anything. He suggested changing the description of the wound. On top of it, they didn’t even use his suggested description.
They changed it, but nobody moved any damn wound, or changed the autopsy drawing.
Look it up yourself, I’m not gonna do it for you. If you want the truth, you’ll only find it by seeing it for yourself.
HE CHANGED IT ON THE AUTOPSY DRAWING AND ADMITTED TO IT ..... POSER @@jetcat132
I'VE SEEN IT THE PHOTOS OF THE DRAWING POSER WHICH WOULD HAVE MENT KENNEDY'S THROAT COIULD NOT HAVE BEEN AN "EXIT" WOUND.... YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING EXCEPT REGURGITATE EVERY LIE EVER TOLD CAUSE YOU'RE CRUISING THE DENILE...@@jetcat132
IT MUST REALLY BE PUSSY-CAT@@jetcat132
Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford changed ever so slightly -- the Warren Commission's main sentence on the place where a bullet entered President John F. Kennedy's body when he was killed in Dallas.
Mr. Ford's change strengthened the commission's conclusion that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and wounded Gov. John B. Connally, -- a crucial element in the commission's finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman.
"Mr. Ford, who was a member of the commission, wanted a change to show that the bullet entered Kennedy ''at the back of his neck'' rather than in his uppermost back, as the commission originally wrote.
Mr. Ford said today that the change was intended to clarify meaning, not alter history.
''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a telephone interview."
.... AND HE DID MOVE THE DOT ON THE DRAW AS THEY NEVER ANTICIPATED THE PHOTOS WOULD BE RELEASED.... WHICH WHEN THE CHANGE WAS DISCOVERED...NOW GO AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK POSER AND PROVE ME WRONG. .....L....... OH THAT WAS FROM THE NY TIMES NO DOUBT YOUR SOURCE....
Oswald had another alibi as well so for people who don’t think that the alibi from the secretary was enough there are at least 2 others who could give him an alibi.
LHO took his lunch break just before noon. He ate his lunch in the “domino room” on the first floor of the TSBD. He routinely ate in the domino room.
There were 2 TSBD employees who had been standing just outside the front door of the TSBD waiting to see the motorcade. They couldn’t get a good view because of the crowd so they decided to go into the building and watch the motorcade from an upper floor. They couldn’t get in through the front door because of the crowd so they walked around the building and entered through the back door which was very close to the domino room. The door to the domino room had a window in it so someone passing by could see into the domino room and someone in the domino room could see someone who was passing by. The 2 men both looked through the window in the door to the domino room as they passed by. They saw LHO in the domino room and he saw them walking by. The estimated time that this happened was 12:22-12:25. LHO went to the second floor lunchroom to get a Coke and that’s where he was when the shots were fired.
The motorcade was running 5 minutes late. JFK was supposed to speak at the Trade Mart at 12:30. Dealey Plaza is 5 minutes from the Trade Mart. At 12:30 the motorcade was passing through Dealey Plaza and that’s when JFK was shot. The motorcade was scheduled to be in Dealey Plaza at 12:25. The assassin(s) had no way of knowing that the motorcade was running 5 minutes late, so he/they would’ve been in place and ready by 12:25. LHO was seen in the domino room around 12:22-12:25. If he had been the assassin he should’ve already been on the 6th floor before 12:22 in order to move boxes to make the sniper’s nest and to prepare the rifle and get into position. Even if the sniper’s nest had already been made and the rifle already prepared LHO didn’t have time to make it from the first floor to the 6th floor within 3 minutes. The elevators weren’t working right then so he would’ve had to climb 5 flights of stairs. As I said even if the sniper’s nest and rifle were already prepared 3 minutes is not enough time for him to climb 5 flights of stairs, get into the sniper’s nest, grab the rifle, position himself, and aim the rifle.
When LHO was questioned, I believe by the Dallas Police, they asked him where he was around the time when the shots were fired. His answer was that he was in the domino room on the first floor eating lunch around that time. When they asked if anyone saw him there he said yes that 2 black male employees walked past the domino room and he and they saw each other through the window in the domino room door. He said one of the men was called Junior and the other was a shorter man whose name he didn’t know but he would recognize him if he saw him.
The 2 men that LHO said saw him in the domino room were found. One of them did go by Junior and the other was shorter as LHO described. They were questioned. Both confirmed what LHO had said - that they saw him in the domino room around 12:25. BOOM! ALIBI!
I have seen photos of notes taken by police during the questioning of LHO and notes documenting what the 2 men said. They all say the same thing.
Now, who *really* killed JFK? It was NOT Lee Harvey Oswald.
As for whether or not LHO was involved, I suppose that’s possible but if he was he was not the shooter. He was being monitored by the CIA and FBI. He was some sort of CIA asset and an FBI agent James Hosty was assigned to him.
It may be that LHO knew nothing about it. It may be that he was told some lie about him “helping” keep JFK safe.
LHO didn’t kill Officer Tippit either. Tippit and his police partner Roscoe White were dirty cops. Tippit was most likely killed by someone from the Mafia or by his police partner Roscoe White because Tippit had been assigned to kill LHO but Tippit backed out.
LHO was most likely told by his CIA handler to meet a contact at the Texas Theater. LHO didn’t go into the theater without paying. He paid. He also bought popcorn. The reason that the ticket lady called police was that LHO had just been in a shoe store near the theater. The clerk in the shoe store thought LHO was acting strangely and that he fit the description of the suspect that the radio was broadcasting that had been given by police. The shoe store clerk went to the theater after LHO went in and the decision was made to call police.
He had 2 bills torn in half in his wallet when he was arrested. These were the type of thing that would be used by the CIA or whoever when someone was supposed to meet a contact. The person wasn’t given any identifying information about the contact. The person was to find out who the contact was by showing half of a bill and the contact would’ve had the other half. If the halves matched then the 2 people had found each other.
LHO was moving around in the theater from one seat to another. He was sitting next to random people and soon after moved to a seat next to someone else. There were lots of empty seats. When there are empty seats people don’t usually choose a seat right next to a stranger. But that’s what LHO was doing repeatedly.
LHO had been told that there was a private airplane waiting at Redbird Airport to fly him out of the area or out of the country. He was to meet a contact at the theater and that contact was going to see to it that LHO got to the airport.
That was not the plan. It’s what LHO was told. The real plan was that police were to arrest him at the theater and LHO was supposed to be shot and killed for “resisting arrest”. That didn’t work because when LHO and the police began to scuffle LHO yelled “I am not resisting arrest.”
Since Tippit refused to kill LHO and since LHO didn’t get killed by police at the theater, Jack Ruby was given the task of killing LHO.
Can't disagree with any of this, it all fits
@@txmc62 - Thank you. In case you don’t know Rob Reiner and a journalist have done very thorough research and put it together the best they could to explain what happened on that day. There is no smoking gun. No one will ever find a smoking gun. What Reiner has done is put together pieces of information that have been discovered over the last 60 years to form a picture that’s as accurate as possible. There are things that we will never know. That’s a fact. But Reiner is getting as clear and complete a picture as possible. The podcast is called Who Killed JFK? Three episodes are available now and there are 7 more coming for a total of 10. Names will be named. It was definitely a conspiracy. I haven’t listened to any episodes yet but I will.
Well told, but not all true. Read page 5 and 6 of this - www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Givens.pdf
There seems to be an appreciable amount of evidence to conclude Oswald was a "paid informant" for the FBI long before Dallas.
I think that's WHY Oswald was made the patsy, because the conspirators knew he was an FBI informant and using him that way sticks it to J. Edgar Hoover. It's mighty embarrassing to have an FBI informant kill the President.
The story about him threatening FBI Agent Hosty was made up AFTER the assassination when the FBI was disassociating itself from the accused assassin.
Now that sound totaly plausible to me. Like you and many others have said when the shits were fired LHO was getting change to use a drinks machine and witnesses told the police that. I believe he was part of it but he wasn't the shooter he was the fall guy he probably didn't know it until after his arrest but he was going to be blamed for the whole thing and then Ruby was there to make sure he said nothing.
Oswald was truly the perfect patsy, but if I'm on that jury I'd have to acquit.
Probably not, because you would have gotten your information from the actual evidence instead of letting some con artist CT author tell you what to think.
The fact that we are still waiting for government documentation to be released says everything we need to know about the JFK assassination. where's your brain man?
He'd have been convicted in an open and shut case. Cripes, he would have done 20 years just for the attack on Officer MacDonald alone.
As an attorney I would use my pre-trial moves to keep you off a jury with your unsubstantiated claims!
@@dakotalovett2450 Lol good counselor, I’m glad to see you graduates of Crackpot University are on it….
And good luck with that Oswald case, you’re gonna need it.
Read Bart Kamp’s recent book “Prayer Man: More Than a Fuzzy Picture”, backed up by 1,200 sources and documents, and presenting a detailed chronology. It will change your life. A few choice quotes from said book:
Oswald’s details were taken on his departure from the TSBD.
There was no Hidell ID among the evidence presented on the table in the Homicide & Robbery Bureau on 22 November 1963
Marina Oswald did not recognize the rifle on Friday evening
LHO did not get his phone call to contact a lawyer for almost 24 hours
Fingerprints and palm prints taken away by the FBI and had to be re-done at about 01.00 on Nov 23
Oswald had the pistol tossed at him in the Texas Theater.
There was no palm print under the rifle barrel on Nov 22
Nitrate tests were not known until 23 November and, even then, showed no conclusive evidence of Oswald’s having fired a rifle.
Bart’s conclusion: “By the time he was ‘arraigned’ for the murder of the President, the DPD had no evidence at all to tie him to the murder weapon.”
Also: How did Oswald know that James Jarman and another person (possibly Harold Norman) were inside or passing through on their way up to the fifth floor?
From a legal point of view, given the disruption of the chain of evidence - most egregiously the removal of the body from Parkland without a legal Texas autopsy - a judge would have thrown the case out on Day 1 - No case to answer.
Oswald is innocent.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In the real world Oswald is guilty AF.
In that case you will now of course explain how the people framing him could possibly have known:
- he would show up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21, otherwise they can't pretend he smuggled the rifle Nov. 22
- he wouldn't simply stand out on the sidewalk during the parade
- he would immediately flee the crime scene
- he would take evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- the cop won't simply outdraw and capture the imposter, blowing the whole plot
- Oswald will be caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later
- Oswald will fight so violently 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing
- Oswald will lie to police about his whereabouts during the assassination
- Oswald will refuse to cooperate with any investigator
- Oswald will refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association
- Oswald will act so smug he will even convince his own brother he is guilty
- Oswald will just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
- the Dallas PD is guaranteed to be on board for the successful escape from justice of the "real killers" of a brother officer with a wife and 3 children
- they are guaranteed to safely approach scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, pathologists, ballistics experts, whole commissions, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason...
Emily if you believe that then you probably also believe Jack Ruby didn’t shoot Oswald (his back was turned and the shooter was replaced with Ruby in the elevator; after all Ruby, the hanger-on, was a convenient patsy)!
@@dakotalovett2450 Beware, I've been solemnly lectured Ruby was never there, than Oswald was never even shot, and that in fact he faked his own death. I promise you I'm not making this up.
Robert Groden is the only one up there who knows what he's talking about.
He has made a ton of money lying to gullible people like you.
What you don’t trust the serious researcher sitting in front of a copy of My Cousin Vinny??
@@jamesleverentz6294 🤔😆
MSM basically called Oliver Stone a kook back in the day. If the truth is ever revealed, my 💰 is on Oswald not even being a shooter.
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These other panelists are being steered around by Abrams who thinks he "knows" the JFK assassination and is really helping the goofy Warren Commission jibberish....Gerald Ford moved the wounds on Kennedy's body to try to create the Single Bullet Theory nonsense
So many witnesses never questioned. There are pictures of the grassy knoll showing smoke rising from the trees and people at ground level smelling smoke
There is a photo looking down thd Street before shots were fired an it shows the cars and the grassy knoll further down the street but there is a dark shadow standing at the fence
@@DeanSpence-d9c there’s an enhanced photo of two people one referred to as “badge man” as the shooter could have been in uniform to get away easier.
@@stony2494 yeah I've seen it it shows what people say is a guy in police uniform an the flash from the gun lights up the badge on his hat. Railway workers even say there was a policeman at the fence who told them to leave which they did why would you question a policeman on a day like that.
And of course there is a small question of why did the people run towards the grassy knoll after the limo sped away? I'd also like to know why that limo didn't speed off after the first shot?
@@DeanSpence-d9c I believe he said he hesitated because of the confusion, but he actually stopped as his brake lights show he stopped
Parkland doctors like Charles Crenshaw and Robert McClelland stated unequivocally that the large wound in the right rear section of the president's head was an exit wound, meaning the shot came from in front of him. They also stated the small wound in the front of his throat was an entrance wound, meaning that shot also came from the front. He was also shot in the back, as shown by the autopsy photos and the hole in JFK's suit jacket, which proves there were people firing from different locations and thus there was a conspiracy. Anyone saying it was Oswald, acting alone, is just lying.
Why do you believe Crenshaw (whose role in treating JFK was minor) and McClelland (who did treat JFK), rather than the other ER doctors who treated JFK at Parkland (Baxter, Carrico, Jenkins, and Perry)?
@@9Ballr Dr. Malcolm Perry is also on videotape (available on RUclips) stating the large wound in the back of the president's head was an exit wound and the small wound in the front of the throat was an entrance wound. I don't know what Baxter, Carrico and Jenkins said, but the size of the wounds tends to back up Crenshaw, McClelland and Perry. Also, I've seen in a documentary that pressure was applied to the Parkland doctors not to talk about what they'd seen when they examined JFK. So I think opinions that indicate the "official" story (of three shots fired from behind JFK) was a lie were more likely to be true, because they exposed the doctors who gave them to danger, whereas opinions that back up the "official" story did not.
The thing that really trips me up: Everyone I listen to sounds reasonable in that moment. Then I hear the other side and they sound reasonable. I would love to see a debate on each point of contention, where the "evidence" offered by each side is examined and affirmed or debunked.
Great idea but we both know it would never happen because it would show all the mistakes that were made.
It would never end. Just put the Parkland doctors on. They are the only expert witnesses that matter. They were not allowed to testify. They all agreed there were only entry wounds from the front.
Rob Reiner has a podcast called Who Killed JFK? It has 3 episodes so far. I’m not sure if more are coming or not. I haven’t listened to it yet but I watched a video where he was being interviewed about it. One thing I know from watching the interview is that Reiner’s podcast will not be going along with the Warren Commission Report. Reiner says they researched thoroughly. The podcasts will tell what he believes happened and he names names. In the interview he said something about Johnny Roselli (Mafia), E Howard Hunt and a shooter under the triple underpass shooting from in front.
@cmm2145 great thanks, I'll have to find it.
@@DeanSpence-d9c - Just watched another interview with Rob Reiner about the podcast. They are going to be a total of 10 episodes. Episode three was posted on the 60th anniversary which was this past Wednesday, November 22. So there are seven more to come. I have not watched any of them yet but I will. What Reiner said in this interview is that he and some others have been researching this for 60 years. He was 16 when it happened so he was old enough to start researching right away if he wanted to. He says that Information has been coming in for the past 60 years but only in dribs and drabs. What he and the journalist he’s working with are doing is researching and gathering every piece of information they can get and trying the best they can to get everything in one place so that they can start putting pieces together to make a picture that tells as well as possible what happened that day. He said there is no smoking gun. No one will ever find a smoking gun. I agree. He said we can put the pieces together and analyze the data and put it together so that we know as much as it’s possible for us to know at this time. there are some things that we are never going to know, but he says we can get a pretty good idea of what happened through this research that he’s been doing for the podcast. It sounds so exciting! He did say in this interview that they verified that there were four professional assassins in Dallas that day. By the end of the podcasts, he will tell us who the assassins most likely were, and as best they can tell where they were positioned. He says some people have said that there might have been as many as six shooters so that’s possible but he knows for sure there were four. He said that there was definitely a conspiracy. I hope you enjoy the podcast. I hope I do too. Have a nice night.
When Abrams says, "...this is my opinion, my analysis..." I laughed out loud. "analysis" my ass. Is he being stupid, ignorant or just intellectually lazy? Take your pick. The man knows nothing compared to the encylopedic knowledge of Robrt Groden.
"The man knows nothing compared to the encylopedic knowledge of Robrt Groden."
And yet, despite the supposed extent of his knowledge, he makes a provably false claim in this video when he says that Mrs. Reid was inside the building giving Oswald change at the moment the shots were being fired. But she never said that. Instead she said that she was outside the building watching the motorcade when the shots were fired (she even said she thought the shots came from the building itself) and that she did not see Oswald until several minutes after the shots were fired, after she went back inside the building and went back up to her office on the second floor. It was only then that she finally saw Oswald, who was walking through her office in a direction that was away from the lunchroom, while holding a bottle of soda. And she never said that she gave him change on the day of the assassination. Instead she said the only times she had given him change were on earlier dates.
Aswald had no powder signs on his hands.
Not true. Again.
@@jetcat132 True
@@Patriot1777 Please see below the results of the test…
During his questioning Lee Harvey Oswald was administered a paraffin test by W. E. Barnes of the Dallas Police Department. In this test warm paraffin, which is applied to the skin to open up its pores, collects contaminants. If the suspect had fired a gun, one potential contaminant would be the nitrates from gun powder residue. Once the paraffin hardens, either diphenylamine or diphenylbenzidine is introduced to the paraffin cast, which will turn it blue in the presence of nitrates. Thus, the presence of blue dots on the paraffin casts is evidence that the suspect had fired a gun.
A paraffin test was applied to Oswald's hands and right cheek; his hands reacted positively, whereas his cheek did not.
His hands DID react positively, and his cheek did not. These are facts, not nonsense
Well, not until the third time they tested him.
@@Patriot1777 Oswald was negative for powder on his cheek, but he was positive for powder on his hands. Those are the facts, not the selective crap you hear and repeat.
The paraffin test was found unreliable by the FBI even before the assignation. It doesn’t prove anything either way, guilty or innocent. .
reids testimony states she was on the street when the shots rang out. afterward, she went back into the building and up to the second floor where she saw oswald.
There were 2 Reids that people get confused over.
@@winterhaydn 100% correct.
Is that true what Robert Gordon said🤔how do I spell ms Reid is it Geraldine or geraldean just want to look it up
If the guy owns a set of the 26 volumes, and has read any of it, he should know exactly why people started questioning the official theory. The Warren Report had its own mountain of evidence completely contradicting it’s own theory. For example, the reports from the Dallas doctor’s stating clearly that the cerebellum was falling out on to the table because there was a gaping exit wound in the back of his head. The “official” autopsy photo of the back of the head shows that area in tact. It also looks blatantly painted at the neck line. You can say that is an opinion but the guy who took the autopsy photos said himself that he did not take that photo and that is NOT how Kennedy’s head looked. He also said that there was a gaping wound in the back of JFK’s head. The Parkland doctors have never wavered on their description of Kennedy’s wounds and are restating again in a new documentary. Are they conspiracy theorists? What this program proved more than anything was circular thinking.
I believe Earl Warren had a secret charge from LBJ that NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWED, the findings of the Warren Commission COULD NOT ALLOW THE CIA TO FORCE A WAR WITH CUBA.
Blaming it all on Oswald did that.
a) Story of the guy photographing the autopsy is very unreliable.
b) Parkland doctors are plainly seen at their first press conference speculating wildly about the wounds, unable to conjecture about numbers, directions, etc.
They are also seen on NOVA in 1988 examining the autopsy photos and having no particular problem with them.
c) What the hell is the POINT of faking the autopsy? Just to conceal the existence of a second shooter?
d) How do you safely approach scores of FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, witnesses, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason?
e) How is hijacking bodies, performing surgeries, altering wounds, faking photos, forging x-rays, falsifying reports, committing perjury by the dozen, bluffing their way through subsequent investigations, and piling cover-ups atop cover-ups a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine?
Gerald ford moved the shot in kennedys back to the neck to make the magic bullet theory work
Ford's notations "move" the wound from basically above the shoulder to base of the neck, big deal. You failed to mention the photos and x-rays plainly show the wound's exact location anyway.
CIA
Oswald is innocent. He was a patriot. Case closed.
Your tin foil hat is on too tight again.
A patriot? Defected to the USSR in 1959. Some patriot.
So who made him carry his paper wrapped disassembled rifle (that he told his coworker were curtain rods) into work that morning? He fled the scene, and then shot a Dallas police officer, then tried to shoot another when apprehended at the Texas Theater.
The rifle was in TSB by other means---he didn't carry it in a brown paper bag--He was a part of the Conspiracy and was monitoring it as an FBI Informant---he had actually stopped the Chicago Assassination plot on November 1st by calling the Secret Service & CPD who arrested a man named Vallee who was a disgruntled Ex Marine working in a warehouse overlooking Kennedy's motorcade route in downtown Chicago. JD Tippit was in on it too---he was either to drive Oswald to Texas Theatre or kill him as a part of the frame up--but he ran into another conspirator and was killed. Lots of good information out there if you're not lazy and gullible@@garyferguson1105
In that case we look forward to you explaining how somebody framing him could possibly have known:
- he would show up unexpectedly at the house Nov. 21
- he wouldn't simply stand out on the sidewalk during the parade
- nobody would ever find any bullets or fragments that don't match to his rifle
- he would immediately leave the crime scene
- an imposter who looks so much like him he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen witnesses who ID Oswald needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- Officer Tippit wouldn't simply outdraw and capture his attacker, blowing the whole plot
- Oswald would get caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop
- Oswald would lie to police and refuse to cooperate
- Oswald would refuse help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association
- Oswald would act so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty
- Oswald would just shrug a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
What about the spent shell casings on the floor Oswald worked at occasionally?
I believe the shell casings and rifle were planted by the people that actually killed Kennedy.
What evidence is there of LHO's involvement? Can't think of any Mr Abrams. Ford's statement is absurd. Just the opposite of what actually happened.
He owned the rifle.
He smuggled the rifle.
His latent print was on the rifle.
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to his rifle.
He lied to police about his whereabouts during the shooting.
He was the only employee inside the building during the shooting to immediately flee the plaza.
He took evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house.
He was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as murdering a cop and fleeing.
Shells were matched to the gun he owned and was in possession of.
He was plainly seen trying to hide from passing police.
He was plainly seen trying to dodge more police by ducking into the theater.
He was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop.
He was caught fighting so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him.
He observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing.
He refused to cooperate with any investigator.
He refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association.
He was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes.
He acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
He just shrugged a hollow, unsurprised, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
And that's just for starters.
I wouldn’t call that airtight. But I wouldn’t be surprised.
Yeah, I lean more towards "reasonable doubt" ... and that's enough for an acquittal.
Gerald Ford. Right. He’s real credible.
Ford's notations "move" the wound's location from basically above the shoulder to base of the neck, big deal, and autopsy photos and x-rays plainly still show the wound's exact location anyway. Enough with this crackpot conspiracy paranoia already.
The thing that bothers me about the claim that Oswald had no involvement is the fact that he had brought his rifle with him to work that day claiming the package was curtain rods. If the package was in fact curtain rods, why weren't they found at the scene?
We know he brought a package he said were curtain rods. We also know the alleged murder weapon could not be broken down in a way that would fit the description of the package given by the witness who told that story to the police.
Another discrepancy - Oswald allegedly bought a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. The rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository was originally described as a Mauser and the rifle FIRST displayed by the Dallas police while being removed from the TSBD WAS indeed a Mauser rifle.
@@Pudentame Not true, rifle could easily have fit. No Mauser was ever found, cops freely admitted they misidentified the unfamiliar rifle at first, big deal. News film clearly shows it to be a Carcano, to which all bullets and fragments ever found were matched, and obviously the idea somebody left the wrong kind of rifle, or multiple rifles, lying around the crime scene for an army of cops to find is laughable.
@@Pudentame The package was 38 inches long, the disassembled rifle was slightly less than 35 inches long. Never go by a witnesses' estimation instead of established facts (the package was measured after it was found).
@@Pudentame No, the rifle seen in Tom Alyea's film and carried out of the TSBD was a Carcano.
Check tippits grave, its either empty or has a john doe in it.
Probably right.
Then why didn't Oswell mention how this woman gave him change he never mentioned anything for that for his Alibi his only only thing he said on his Alibi that he was eating lunch with a couple of his co-workers who he did name now if this woman actually saw him he sure as hell would have said yes Mrs gave me the change this just doesn't make sense
Oswald did it. Case Closed as Gerald Posner says..
BULLSHIT
This hackneyed embarrassment of a report should be pulled down. It is the height of irresponsibility and truly insipid "journalism"
BUT why would Oswald have then killed Officer Tippit?
Panic. He knew he was the fall guy an he was going to get the blame even tho several witnesses said Oswald was getting change to use a drinks machine in a canteen. He probably also knew that if he was caught he would be silenced before he could say anything. Enter Ruby and the rest is history.
That is certainly plausible if he did, indeed, have SOME sound inkling that he would be made a patsy. I believe he had to be involved because of that fear of being fingered for it.
@@davidrusso1280 he was clearly involved in it but like I said he never knew that he was the fall guy from the start. That's why he said " I'm just a patsy ". An it was probably after those very words ruby was given the orders to silence him.
I think that is sound reasoning. I do not believe that Oswald can be fully exonerated from every aspect of this. Evidence of (at least) his collusion is strong.
@@davidrusso1280 yeah of course, he was definitely part of this assassination but he just didn't realise what his part was until after the event. But by then his fate was sealed and he knew it which is why he ran.
Yes, Oswald had an alibi. He was at work when it happened. He worked in the Book Depositary
Only God knows what really happened that day and who is responsible.
I am still determined to find out.
I'm sure He does, but there are others who know - they're just not talking 💀
And since there is no god, nobody knows - and never will ... AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!
Never trust politicians
Worst show on Newsnation. Dan belongs on CNN.
If there's one thing that makes me believe that it was a conspiracy it's the fact that the book depository doesn't line up with the wounds. Oswald couldn't have hit the president in the throat and the timple from a building the is on the right hand side of the motorcade.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and the only way it could do that is through Kennedy's exit wound at the throat.
Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a perfect trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
Kennedy's massive exit wound plainly seen exploding at the temple is consistent only with a shot from behind.
Connally's said the shots all came from behind.
Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos.
Witnesses a few feet under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there.
Zapruder's secretary was yards away from the fence and saw nobody there.
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
It's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns.
_“(Oswald) went to 2nd floor to get coca cola to eat with lunch and returned to 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch P. parade.”_ (Handwritten notes of James Hosty after Oswald interrogation)
_“…claims 2nd floor coke when off(icer) came in to 1st floor/had lunch out with Bill Shelley in front”_ (Handwritten notes of Will Fritz after Oswald interrogation) - If he was on the sixth floor, how did he know Bill Shelley was out front?
He lied. Repeatedly.
@@jetcat132 How did he know that Bill Shelley was out front?
@@peterdixon7734 Oswald may or may not have seen Shelley on his way out of the building. Big deal. Shelley’s own story is inconsistent.
He said he had lunch with Shelley out front, right? But he also told the cops he was eating lunch in the first floor lunch room with a “negro” he did not name. None of the TSBD employees confirmed his story of having eaten lunch with Oswald.
He lied repeatedly to police, changing his story several times.
@@peterdixon7734 Lol…. Maybe he just took a stab at it. Maybe he saw Shelley outside when he fled the building, but that would be tenuous because Shelley said he did not return to the building until 5 minutes after the shooting, and Oswald was out of the building within 3 minutes of the shooting.
Either way, who cares? He was a proven pathological liar. He lied on just about every job application and interview, lied about his military record, lied about his local Fair Play For Cuba recruiting, lied about his identity, and lied to the cops the whole time he was in custody. Why would a man who just killed the President of the United States, killed a cop, fled, and resisted arrest tell the truth?
Oswald said he saw Shelley outside, big deal. He also said he ate lunch with him, and then told the cops he ate lunch with Jr. Jarman in the first floor lunchroom, which Jarman flatly denied.
I sure wouldn’t hitch my “Oswald was innocent because he saw Shelley outside” wagon to that star.
@@jetcat132 "Maybe he took a stab at it."? An inspired "stab", it would seem. The DPD should have asked him all the profound questions about God, philosophy and the human condition while they had him there.
60 years ago in 1963 and now 2023 and in 60 years from now 2083 They don't know who did it and they will never know ...... MAYBE IT WAS JOHN WILKES BOOTH HE CAME BACK FROM THE GRAVE AND DID IT....
Oswald if he was gettin’ change for a Coke when the Assassination happened only had to turn up at roll call and he would’ve had a rock tight alibi for the Assassination. But, he didn’t have an alibi for the fact his gun was most likely used, even if he didn’t use it himself. He could’ve been a ‘Patsy’ like he said he was?? It sounds like he might’ve wanted to take the blame for everythin’, coverin’ for someone or somethin’…
Robert Hill YT Comment
“I too was there on that terrible day. I was standing on the corner of Main and Houston streets. Prior to the arrival of the limousine I saw Oswald and his rifle in the 6th floor. I advised a Policeman in an existing picture that includes me, however his response was “it’s probably a secret service agent”. As I began to walk away I heard the first shot, then two quickly consecutive shots, then a fourth shot. The head shot came from the grassy knoll where police and bystanders were running toward the area because of the shot. Oswald may have shot Kennedy but the kill shot came from the grassy knoll. I wrote to the Warren Commission who never responded to my letter. Guess they didn’t want a 4th shot or a second assassin. I’m 78 now but I’ll never forget that day.”
ruclips.net/video/M32567ZQECk/видео.html
Have a look at the work of Luke and Michael Haag.
how dumb would somebody have to be to believe that after all of this, oswald had an "airtight alibi"?! fwiw, mrs reid testified under oath she was outside at the time the shots were fired and saw oswald a few minutes later...
Oswald was a patsy, selected for his assets not concerned with marksmanship. He might have brought the rifle to the Book Depository (the "curtain rods"), but he never fired a shot. The first shot might have come from the 6th Floor "hide", but it was to set up the other shooters, because that position would allow the first shooter to pinpoint the position of the limo, in relation to the yellow curb marks, to tell the other shooters, on on the Grassy Knoll, another in the Dal-Tex Building (probably, but not for certain).
Westerbrook, the Dallas Police Captain who "found" the wallet supposedly Oswald's, stopped briefly outside the south doors to the Dal-Tex Building, immediately after he pulled away from the Book Depository, before proceeding to the Tippets' shooting scene, where he produced the wallet. Everything about the Tippits murder screams "distraction" and "after-the-fact" thinking. I'd bet the farm it was the Body Double, who was running, cuz he'd figured out the "patsy" was expendable, making him a supernumerary, too.
Tippits was probably directed to that location, by the forces running the show, to pick up the Body Double and dispose of him, literally. The BD figured it out, turned tables on Tippits, and made his escape. Dallas Police folded this in, to quell any questions about WHY Tippits was NOT in his assigned patrol area, when he was seen, earlier, and at the shooting site. It's also likely that all the protagonists in the sideshow drama that followed the murder of JFK were familiar with one another, to prevent errors in identification, except the shooters, who were probably dead by sundown, anyway,
You are TRULY sick. Just sit there giving your middle finger and one great big "F-word you!" to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as you happily opine away without evidence the man was a conspirator and traitor so long as it suits your despicable and crackpot "theories." Hope you are proud of yourself. This is not a parlor game.
He was working for Mike Lindell
OMG...why do they keep on bring these liars on?
So Oswald did have curtain rods!
What about the murder of Tippitt? That would be harder to explain away.
Interesting thing about that - part of the "evidence" against Oswald were .38 cal shell casings found at the scene of Tippit's murder. Oswald owned a REVOLVER that did not eject shells. Also at Tippit's autopsy bullets from two different guns were found in his body.
@@Pudentame Oswald used different types of ammo, big deal.
Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing.
Shells were matched to the revolver he owned and was in possession of.
He was plainly seen trying to hide from passing police.
He was plainly seen ducking into the theater to dodge more passing police.
He was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop.
He fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him.
He observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing.
Who the hell do you THINK shot down a cop on that exact street at that exact time???
@@Pudentame Completely untrue. Part of the eyewitness testimony was that they watched Oswald shake the empty shell casings out of the revolver himself. There were NOT bullets from two different guns as you inaccurately state.
Oswald’s .38 had been bored to accept .38 special ammo, and that modification was found to have caused the rounds to wobble on the way out of the weapon. That left the four bullets badly mutilated when recovered, and three were unable to be matched to the .38, but one was.
But the shell casings recovered at the scene were all positively matched to the same gun Oswald purchased, owned, and was arrested with it in the Texas Theater while trying to shoot a cop.
So who died so the truth could finally be told ?
Oswald was caught in a cinema with the gun that killed a police officer. Odd behaviour for someone who thought himself a patsy.
Going into a movie theater after shooting someone is very odd behavior! He was there to meet someone.
There was faulty chain of command with that gun and the ballistic evidence. Not to mention Oswald's 4(!) wallets the police supoosedly took from him and the numerous witnesses who saw another man shoot Tippet. The so called evidence would be thrown out.
@@clath2823 There is, of course, no evidence he went to the theater to meet anybody. In fact, he was plainly seen ducking into it to dodge the police screaming past outside.
At least Zaid has good taste in movies
Could they ever do DnA testing in the chicken sandwich they found at the scene?😮
Did they ever find the curtain rods?
The "curtain rods" story was propounded only by Wesley Buell Frazier and his sister. A TSBD employee, Jack Dougherty, who saw Oswald arrive at work, said he was carrying nothing. Oswald rejected the curtain rods story and, according to an investigator present at his questioning, said he had only his lunch in a small bag. Frazier was apparently threatened with being charged as an accessory to Kennedy's murder, so it's reasonable to think that he might have been suggestible.
It’s pretty obvious there was more than one shooter
All credible medical, forensic, ballistic, eyewitness, and film evidence clearly demonstrate the shots all came from the sixth floor window, and from Oswald's rifle.
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Everyone has a book !! Jack is alive and well living with Elvis on a pacific island. LOL. Please just let Jack go and ret in peace.
No, when the president of the U.S. is murdered, Americans should have some ideas what actually happened. Cannot allow govt by assassination.
Really? This is silly.
The ancient work will be accomplished,
And from the roof evil ruin will fall on the great man:
They will accuse an innocent, being dead, of the deed:
The guilty one is hidden in the misty copse.
(Century 6, Quatrain 37)
"Oswald had airtight alibi"? It must he the one where he (Oswald) was enjoying a Coke (which he never drank) with Victoria Adams (who came by only after Oswald had already fled the building). More than "airtight," it's full of air, hot air, a foul wind emanating from the nether regions.
Ridiculous
AIR TIGHT ALIBI!
"AIR TIGHT ALIBI!"
No it isn't, because Mrs. Reid never said what Groden falsely claimed she said. She never said she was inside the building giving change to Oswald at the time the shots were fired. Instead, on multiple dates in multiple years she said she was outside the building watching the motorcade when the shots were fired, and that she did not see Oswald until several minutes later, after she had gone back inside and gone back up to her office on the second floor. Only then did she say she finally saw him, walking through her office in a direction that was away from the lunchroom while holding a bottle of soda.
The love and affection these people have for Oswald who blew JFK's brains out with his $13 rifle is subject of another inquiry.
What??? LHO did not fire a shot that day---at anyone---and he was crudely framed and silenced.
Hahaha good story. Unfortunately it's a fairy tale. @hiataki
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Funny how after all these years Groden has never attempted to explain how the hell anybody safely approaches scores and scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, Air Force One personnel, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, photographers, x-ray technicians, staffs at embassies in another country, Oswald family members, whole commissions, lawyers, senators, congressmen, the D.A., the Chief Justice, etc., and persuades them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason...
Oswald....was intell. He was high profile, for a reason. So, a patsy...with a trial. Was impossible for the u.s. intell.community.
Robert Groden is delusional
He's a notorious con artist. The crook actually screens Zapruder's film at lectures with a phony soundtrack filled with bogus gunshots slapped over it, not once telling his audience it's fake. Jesus! LOL
These people with their "eyewitnesses " are starting to sound a lot like Mike the pillow guy. It's over. It was a huge tragedy. Move on.
but it wasn't a "tragedy", it was either a coup or a revenge killing (Kennedy had as many foes as fans when it came to powerful people)
Chris only accidentally came here because in reality, he moved on.
@@chouseification All credible evidence points at Oswald.
@@aaronz7056 well that's one way of telling us you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO clue what you're talking about.
Even congressional hearings in the 70s accepted that was simply not reality, despite what the Warren Commission had tried to sell us.
Open challenge to this lying con artist Groden...
Explain away ALL of the following:
Oswald owned the rifle.
Oswald smuggled the rifle.
Oswald's latent print was on the rifle.
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
Oswald was a credible match for the man seen in the window.
No unidentified persons were ever found in the building.
Witnesses a few feet under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
Oswald was the only employee inside the building to immediately flee the crime scene.
Oswald took evasive action to sneak back to his rooming house.
Oswald was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Officer Tippit and fleeing.
Shells were matched to the revolver he owned and was in possession of.
Oswald was plainly seen trying to hide in the storefront from passing police.
Oswald was plainly seen ducking into the theater to dodge more passing police.
Oswald was caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop.
Oswald fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him.
Oswald observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing.
Oswald refused to cooperate with any investigator.
Oswald lied to police about his whereabouts during the assassination.
Oswald refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association.
Oswald was only interested in a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes.
Oswald acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty.
Oswald never attempted to blow any conspiracy framing him to anybody.
Oswald just shrugged a hollow, rambling, unsurprised reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
And this clown just dismisses all of that and lets him off the hook based on THIS...???
There's no need to "explain away" unfounded allegations. Points one to three about the rifle are by no means clear. What is even meant by "the" rifle or "Oswald's rifle"? That makes so many assumptions that it is laughable. In what sense was the rifle ever "smuggled"? Point 4 is untrue. Point 5 is meaningless: whoever was convicted on being "a credible match" for someone, especially when there are several contradictory witness statements? In the case of the witnesses who saw two men on the sixth floor of the Book Depository, was Oswald a match for both?! Point 8 - that Oswald was the only employee to leave the building - is a widely believed myth, but a myth nonetheless. Point 9 about "evasive action" is silly: was everyone who left the School Book Depository taking "evasive action"? As for point 10, the circumstances of the ID parades for the Tippit shooting were comical: Oswald was made to give his name and place of employment, which completely invalidated the procedure; he also didn't look remotely like the other "suspects" in the line-up. Point 11: some of the shells from the revolver presented in evidence were the wrong sort of ammunition; the chain of evidence was not preserved in any serious way (even Bugliosi doesn't try to make a serious case that Oswald shot Tippit: he just asserts that we know it). Not a single one of the points in the second paragraph has any meaningful relation to the question of whether Oswald killed anyone. No verbatim record was kept of his interrogation, so it's impossible to say which of these assertions - if any - is true, but it's easy to see that most of them are irrelevant.
I find it fascinating that the witness statements that exonerate Oswald came almost entirely from women (and one disabled man). In the early 60s, their evidence did not have the weight that it would be accorded today...
@@chrisbirmingham5132 Buddy:
I listed hard, demonstrable and credible evidence, for goodness' sake, and its hilarious watching you, in true conspiracy theorist style, just summarily dismiss all of it and let Oswald off the hook at every turn.
It's almost as funny as you not making the slightest attempt to offer up any credible or plausible alternate scenario here, just take it for granted scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, Oswald family members, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, whole commissions, lawyers, senators, congressmen, the D.A., the Chief Justice, etc., were all bending over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason.
Oh, and the shells were matched right to his gun, he was ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting Tippit and fleeing, and reports from each of his interrogators were included in the WR, comprising some 40 pages.
So tell me, how many of those OTHER employees who left the crime scene:
a) were INSIDE the building during the shooting
b) never returned
c) were soon caught red-handed trying to shoot a cop soon after
d) were only interested in lawyers they'd never met living in another state who specialized in left wing causes
e) acted so smug they even convinced their own brothers they were guilty?
@@aaronz7056 If all crimes could be solved by offering one scenario, promulgating it through an enormous report that had complete buy-in from all the major media (quite understandably because no one wanted to trigger WWIII), and then challenging the rest of the world to offer an alternative version, life would be simple indeed. Since you clearly imagine yourself to be rational, could you please explain what your points d) and e) have to do with anything? As I recall, Oswald asked to contact a lawyer from the American Civil Liberties Union: that hardly seems suspicious. He is also reported as having tried to place a call to a former member of US Naval Intelligence. And smugness - really?!
So many people try to make this a contest between "conspiracy theorists" and the rest. That isn't a rational approach. Many serious and intelligent people at the time didn't think Oswald killed Kennedy, not the least of them France's General De Gaulle, who was hardly prone to flabby thinking. I doubt if he would have asked why a lot of School Book Depository workers just went home and didn't come back on that afternoon. There is, after all, such a thing as common sense.
@@chrisbirmingham5132 Your childish insult is noted. That's your idea of responding to my long list of questions?
You know what DOES seem suspicious? All of Oswald's actions I described above, which you appear to be summarily dismissing out of hand as you shrug and let him off the hook at every turn.
I repeat:
All bullets and fragments were matched.
Oswald was a credible match, he was in a building where no unidentified persons were ever seen, and he was the only employee inside to immediately flee and never return.
De Gaulle was not conducting the investigation for crying out loud. What does "I doubt he would have asked why a lot of Scholl Book Depository workers just went home" have to do with anything? It's called "establishing every employee's whereabouts," and Oswald was the only one who didn't return for the roll call.
I repeat, Oswald was only interested in John Abt, a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes. You know, just as you or I would do in similar circumstances if we were innocent.
Story of him trying to call out to some intelligence operative was debunked many years ago, and by two conspiracy authors no less.
You're lecturing me "there is after all such a thing as common sense" as you just sweep under the rug such minor details as him being ID'd by nearly a dozen witnesses as shooting a cop and fleeing, or being caught red-handed trying to murder another police officer.
Equally funny you lecture me about common sense under my open challenge to a notorious liar and a despicable grifter.
@@aaronz7056 Ignoring your silly comments for the moment and the questionable assertions that you just keep making in Trump-like fashion (as though that makes them true), what on earth is your argument about John Abt? Why should I not have a lawyer of my choice if I were accused of something I didn't do? Why would I (or anyone) want a lawyer from such a corrupt city as Dallas was in the 1960s?
On another theme (I won't go through all of them), do you really believe there was a rollcall? This is the evidence Roy Truly gave to the Warren Commission:
'Mr. BALL. Now, what did you tell Chief Lumpkin when you came down from the roof of the building?
Mr. TRULY. When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that "We have a man here that's missing." I said, "It my not mean anything, but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr. Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get--quickly get his address in Irving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I would be.
Mr. BALL. Was he the only man missing?
Mr. TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun.
Mr. BALL. But walking which way?
Mr. TRULY. The last time I saw him, he was walking across Houston Street, east on Elm.
Mr. BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards?
Mr. TRULY. No, no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't there.'
This "incomplete check" seems to have morphed into the idea of a rollcall at some point - possibly from a statement made by Wesley B Frazier in 2003. That is forty years after the event. Credible evidence?
Further, and just for the record, I am not sweeping any identification under any sort of rug. The critique of the Tippit identity parade is well-known, not to mention all the other oddities in the Tippit shooting accusation (impossibility of walking to the scene in the time available, discrepancies in the call logs, Hidell wallet conveniently left at the scene, odd ammunition mismatch, strange misidentification of revolver as "automatic weapon", police failure to interview person who actually reported the incident etc.).
As for the bullets in the case, that's another long and contested story (amusing, not least, for the way the official version had to perform a volte face during the Warren enquiry). Not for nothing did a senior police officer suggest that a court would not have been able to convict Oswald.
Oswald is the lone assassin. More nonsense
Shows how much you haven’t looked into the case. There literally was two shooters
@@conormcqregor4393Wrong!
He couldn't be. Several witnesses told police he was in a canteen getting change to use a drinks machine when Kennedy was shot. They denied tested oswald for gun residue. He did not fire a gun that day. That is a proven fact.
@@conormcqregor4393who was the other shooter?
@@giraffesareselfish9563 potentially might of been your mother
The one that worried me more than anybody in my lifetime was Hillary Clinton. I was so afraid
Oswald fled the scene right after he killed JFK. An innocent man would not have fled
He realized what was going on. Knew he was being set up. He was groomed by CIA for 4 years. Wake up. Read a book.
Oswald was getting change to use a drinks machine when Kennedy was shot. He ran because he worked out he was the fall guy. A test proved oswald did not shoot a gun that day.
Everybody “fled”. They were dismissed from work because the president was shot.
@@DeanSpence-d9cOH, you were there. Well, case is really closed now
@jhfit several witnesses told the police At the time Kennedy was shot Oswald was in a canteen getting change to use the drinks machine. So he couldn't have been in two places at once.
Look at Johnson. Just like look at Mike Pence. Ask Marilyn Monroe.
lol. what?
@@dedgzus6808 vice president Johnson. Mike Pence. Wanted to be president. Marilyn Monroe knew too much about what is going on about the Kennedys.
Ask Obama chef how he died
Ask Elvis and Charlie Chaplin too......🥱
Mike Pense killed Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe? Damn....
Conspiracy nuts
"I actually own one of the volumes." Is that supposed to be an argument?