I hope no one gets fired for this... - Intel Arc A770 First Look
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0:00 - Linus makes a promise
0:36 - SmartDeploy!
1:02 - DX11 vs. DX12 in Shadow of the Tomb Raider
1:47 - Ryan Shrout plugs lttstore.com
2:09 - Why is DX12 better?
3:44 - Intel's Three Tier Strategy, Tom loves Floatplane
6:47 - Linus speculates for 1.5min
8:15 - Intel's Arc improvements
11:42 - Overclocking!
13:56 - Micro Center!
14:33 - Outro 
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This kind of open and honest communication is 10x better marketing than any advertisement spot they could have paid for.
Fr, honesty just makes a company look much better.
Easily the truth. Honesty speaks the loudest
But advertising works well for the industry....🤫
After so many debunked presentations etc :D Intel maybe saw that there is no other way :D
You know the situation is tough when Shrout is forced to resort to _honesty_ .
The fact that you had Intel do a marketing push for your water bottle was amazing
“Hello, we finally have another way to compete with amd in our brand new graphics cards, oh by the way this is one fire ass water bottle”
-random intel employee
@@Vertix07911 lmao that's how you know you're doing things right as a RUclipsr when companies that used to sponsor you are now selling your stuff for you LOL
he is paying for the visit he made to intel lab !
@@menezessilva3007 lol good point
Linus us going God mode
I think the Intel GPUs will sell well, brand loyalty is heavy for them.
Meh there's also a big group of people who are just tired of Nvidia ripping off consumers for the past two years.
silly
When the drivers don’t suck sure
They will sell well because there will not be a lot of them in the market to sell.
If only they could get their drivers to work properly
This is a breath of fresh air. The public communication from Tom and Ryan really gives me a good feeling about the future. Things are going to be ok
Reading how naive you are is refreshing :D
It's only damage control and has nothing to do with being open or transparent or whatever...
You all are so gullible that it's insane! The cards will perform terribly and Intel knows this. They're just jumping ahead of their false promise failures so that the public will not come down on them. Never trust these multi-million/billion dollar companies.
@@eliotrulez consumer education per Linus and the other gaming/gear channels nonetheless- right? Should these vids be interpreted as buyer beware? Or having trust in Intel's graphics department?
@@vividvulpe9842 they always should be taken with a many grains of salt...
@@eliotrulez yes, always
It's wild how far Linus has come. From the old NCIX days to the first house/studio to visiting Intel's facilities and now having their reps read his own adds.
Both did pay a huge price i think.
It's.. just a bit unreal.
Wait till you see the water-cooled server facility they going to get into as those reps said they quite sure they can get him into one. As he's tried himself for years without any success.
This latest bit is all Intel, really. They know they can't bulldoze AMD and Nvidia in raw numbers, and TSMC has been clowning all over them on fabrication. So, they're trying to rehabilitate their image as the old giant, resting on their laurels, doomed to slow obsolescence.
*Gets fired by Intel CEO* 😂
Props to Ryan and Tom. I'm sure some shareholders are gonna pull their hair out of this kind of "transparency" with the marketing instead of just pushing the old "our product is great and no other company exists outside of ours" nonesense on customers. Seeing how Intel is letting these guys be honest and personal with journalists and interacting with the online community is gonna help them a LOT. I have much more faith in this project after seeing this video and GN's interview with them earlier, hats off to Intel for doing it this way.
If Intel continues this path AND also listens to endcustomers about improvements (like Lian Li as example) then they´re on the way to be actuall concurrent to AMD and NVidia
Based on the positive response Intel's approach here is getting I think those shareholders will be happy.
If I had shares, I'd be glad they approach it this way. You just have to look a few weeks back and ARC was a meme, yet in that little ammount of time people are now rooting for them, since Nvidia are scumbags and AMD didn't try to break the monopoly anyway. That's really not a bad sight for shareholders.
Intel shareholders will be glad to see them getting into the new space and I'm sure they're smart enough to know that you need to position yourselves well to beat the competition. Part of that value sell is transparency--it would be far worse for investors to have the expectation set up high and then Intel gets a bad name in the GPU space and they've wasted essentially all of their R&D budget until they can call back a good name a decade later or whatever.
Speaking as a current (though small) shareholder. I'm very happy with what I'm seeing.
I've honestly loved all of the Intel interviews about their hardware... This is a fantastic release PR campaign.
Sup bot?
@@TheWunder when you translate it says soup bot 😂
An Indian Xavier.. hmm..
@@TheWunder Nah you eat bot flies soup 🤢🤮🤮🤮
If they work best on Vulkan and DX12 then potentially using DXVK on Windows / Linux might bring huge performance increases to both platforms. So support for older D3D api's might not be all that bad if its a power house in Vulkan. DXVK could end up being a Windows users best friend for older titles. Intresting if LTT do some testing on that front in the future.
I'm really excited to see how this pans out in real world performance.
I don't think it will work that way. DX12 and Vulkan is best known for async pipeline where DX11/OpenGL and lower versions suck horribly at. That's why there is a big device lock in DXVK to simulate the synchronous behavior. In other word you will just have worse performance in DXVK.
@@stevefan8283 there is a version of dxvk async thats work really will on Windows
It's terribly, terribly complicated...
When Mantle was first announced people bought AMD GPU's thinking big gains were right around the corner. It's taken YEARS to start making the transition. Changes have to be made at every level (drivers, API's, game engine, OS) and issues in any of these areas can cause a regression. People talk about "Vulkan" vs "DX12" vs "DX11" but it's not remotely that simple. And don't forget many games still need to support older GPU's, including older console's like the XBox One... if you're just going to rewrite the API layer it won't do much good if that's not where the bottleneck even exists... for example, shader compilation issues need the code to be radically changed for the GAME ITSELF. So, again, complicated... I know DXVA can fix certain issues. We'll probably get better statistics from Valve/Steam Deck over time such as frame pacing benefits etc.
@@nmg5108 not for me. and keep in mind that's for async shader compilation which is part of the pipeline but not the whole. but i still wonder why async shader compilation patch is not merged to upstream
This whole thing made me realize how starved companies have us; with just the smallest show of openness and communication it's hard not to get your strings pulled.
But it's such a breath of fresh air, and a real oddity at this point in time; I appreciate the effort, and the work from Tom and Ryan, the good faith acts they did (like doing the ads, that was impressive); and I can feel the real effectiveness of this strategy in my own perception.
IMO this is worth more than any marketing campaign would cost, at least in the hobbyist space.
"I can feel the real effectiveness of this strategy in my own perception" - such a weird feeling hey. Like, ah, shit, I just got marketed at, didn't I?
Imagine honestly thinking this isn't just an unofficial ad.
@@SqueakyNeb Ok but it's true
@@SqueakyNeb _"You are not immune to propaganda"_ It _is_ a Marketing strategy, but at least it's honest, we are not quite there yet, but it does paint a more hopeful future.
Linus having the high level intel engineers read his ltt store and floatplane plugs is definitely a huge flex 😂
Confirmed. Linus is a bully.
Is Ryan Shrout an engineer? I thought he was more marketing, did not know that.
@@MarvoloRiddle yes, marketing the other one maybe is engineer.
You gotta remember
Intel does sponsor the $5000 employee upgrade makeover thingum
@@jonnypena7651 "maybe is engineer", most definitely, absolutely IS an engineer. We have him (amongst others) to thank for XMP.
What a couple of decent guys - they are adding massive positive energy to the Intel products by participating with consumer media in this fashion - kudos to you guys (and Linus as always) :)
Is there a list of the 'Tiers' of games anywhere?
THANK YOU so much for adding subtitles to this video. I really hope this is the new standard for LTT as it makes such a difference even for native English speakers. (For improvement you could move them to the top when a graphic is on the bottom 9:37)
Okay okay. I get it. I don't know a whole lot about those guys, but it's still nice to see reps behaving like actual humans and not corporate robots for a change. I want this approach to be used more often by any company
If you do some research on ryan shrout you will see hes the biggest lieing shill
He literally has a company called Shrout Research that does misleading paid reviews for other companys sutch as intel
For example they did a comparison of the i9 9900K and the R7 2700X where the i9 wins in multicore by 50% and then in the tiny footnotes it said "4 out of 8 cores on the R7 2700X were disabled in this test"
Lmao
Dudes are probably making north of 500k a year....
@@grunt7684 "Give them a praise", there I fixed it
we are all human
Two actual humans, really? One at least faked benches, faked results and lied. He should never have gotten a job in the tech space again.
Tom and Ryan are what Intel have needed for a long time. This has to be the best marketing around being open about a product and let third parties in builds a trust that I thought I would never have for an Intel product.
The'll build trust, and once they are big, they'll treat their customers like money trash bags again... so enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't last long
@@willhaney96 once they are big? :D When did Intel become smaller?
@@willhaney96 Intel changed like 180 degrees when they changed their CEO
@@helmchen1239 intel is trying to break into the dedicated graphics market... Intel is miniscule in this market compared to Invidia and AMD. What your saying is the equivalent of Coke is huge company making hamburgers.
I've always loved their chemistry back when Tom was a regular guest on PCPer
The way that Intel is making the rounds and kinda grass roots representing the ARC GPU's to the gaming community is really cool! It's giving me confidence in ARC!
fosho!
Well you shouldn't have any lol
drinking the intel
koolaid
@@TrickyPasta I didn't say I was going to buy one lol
"What a great idea." You sounded so enthusiastic, Tom. Seriously, never change, this was awesome and authentic. Really liked seeing details, I'm absolutely rooting for a red/green alternative for my next GPU.
Whichever marketing head approved this approach deserves applause. They've rapidly changed sentiment from "its shit from a big corp that should've known/done better" to "underdog that knows their place and is taking the right steps to improve." Good on ya.
Yea but said "underdog" is "INTEL", if they can leverage their collective knowledge on building CPU's and transfer it to their GPU lineup they could become a very strong 3rd option in the GPU scene.
@Steve Sherman How so ? They decided to go to Linus and Gamers Nexus and open themselves up to scrutiny instead of just doing a massive press event with doctored bench mark results that heavily favour their product like team Green and Red do.
This 3rd option for consumers is brilliant, it means we actually might see some decent prices for new hardware instead of the bloated MSRP since the 10 series.
@Steve Sherman That’s what marketing is for. But this is different marketing from the actual engineers. And do you honestly think reputation and trust aren’t taken into account when you purchase? Think of why EVGA has such a good reputation. Think of Noctua. Think of the opposite in Gigabyte. Trust matters. A lot!
@Steve Sherman marketing means showing/advertising a product to consumers....even they are also showing their flaws which they need to cover....I dont see it any type of unreliability here....
Intel just got a new CEO if I am not mistaken
I just can't picture a world where Intel pop up into the GPU game and are amazing right off the bat
I don't think anybody could have done that.
@@ThePiprian 3dfx can
@@sock7481 3dfx was also essentially pioneering, the bar of a standard was quite low compared to now.
I root for Intel, more competition is always better, but I pray they don't drop the ball.
Yeah, it'll take time for them to catch up.
Well obviously, they're telling you themselves they're not going to be amazing so why would that be? They're just (supposedly) going to win price/perf by not price gouging like AMD and Nvidia are.
Oh man, I loved this! Both the fact that Intel went the honest road AND that they plugged linus' products along the way, haha, nice one guys :D
Honest, lol... still think that now?
I just have to point out that Linus and the team are geniuses at product placement of their own merch. The water bottles in every video and goofy mentions or shots of a banana for scale in the background isn't random and its so great. Nicely done and not over done even with the cut away to LTT store. Just really proud of to see all of Linus' success and how big the team has grown, and the man never forgets where he came from and those he started off with. Keep it up!
I do prefer self-sponsorships that are so quick that they're not worth attempting to skip, and I'd overshoot if I tried. It doesn't hurt if they're slightly funny, which sometimes they are.
Honesty and clarity. Not going to lie how impressive this is, particularly coming from Intel themselves.
Intel diss
The marketing department decided that this is the best approach as they are new to this market and need to look good and friendly. I've sit in way to many of these kinds of meetings...
your precious amd doesnt need to do this because you already worship them like gods
good job community, totally helpful
It is a different team.
@Ian Visser those CPU will still held back by the RAM tho. most fastest DDR5 8400MHz running at dual channel 128bit maximum bandwith 134 GB/s that's just a bit more than RX560 imagine only running in single channel with the slowest DDR5 that one heck of bottleneck you got fast FPS but so much screen tearing and asset load too slowly lmao compare that to GDDR6 the A770 have it still night and day differences.
Honestly I'm impressed with Intel's transparency on this. It's more than we've ever seen from Nvidia/AMD. Steve at GN spent some time with them recently as well and it's great to see them making the rounds and showing this stuff off even though it's still clearly in the testing stages. Shows that they really want potential user feedback and want to make the changes that users want to see. Kudos to Intel.
They want to be transparent about a turd before content creators call it a turd. Let's be honest, yes they're being transparent because they can't afford to lose customers. They're desperate, but as soon as they get all the kinks fixed. They don't need tech tubers and will fix themselves to the practices of Nvidia and AMD in the present.
@@Kyle-pj2vc yeah, but if they price them how they are saying they will then it would actually be a pretty good deal. But i guess we'll see.
@@patchworkkid24 yes I agree, if the price is significantly better I'm hoping it ages like old AMD GPUs that got huge performance increases because it launched with crappy drivers. This is definitely a way to get good hardware on the cheap and have it improve over time.
Intel is saving face after rigging gpu benchmark results.
Where was this attitude when they stopped amd from being in prebuilts(from 2000-2010, they had to Pay anti trust on by the way.)
and when Intel didnt innovate for 5 years after sandy bridge?
And amd obviously made bulldozer and it was terrible.
But Intel has never been a transparent company. Not a personal attack
If it wasn't for a respected tech writer and an ex top nvidia engineer saving them from embarrassment they'd be getting called out.
"In tier 1, we're gonna kill everyone" has such a natural pause, I was taken aback
I love these kinds of hands down overview of their GPU development not being closed down and more honest about it. I’m looking forward for a better experience Intel could provide later in Linux desktops.
Man this kind of transparency is so refreshing to see. Really made me appreciate the work and product a lot more. I had no interest in the ARC Family after the first few benchmarks, but seeing how they try to tackle the issue and their pricing structure actually makes me kinda excited for the launch.
I would not call it transparency as much as trying to control expectations.
@@billlawson3467 I mean, they're being pretty transparent about that too!
Linus was being tough on them, which is why I believe you’re right.
@@billlawson3467 well, transparency has a tendency to help control expectations… that’s kinda how it works
@@alexander.thomas.wang.thomsen Vid kinda touched on pricing, but being a year late in the launch, still have driver issues, not really having gpus for consumers with a fair amount of hype last year on performance promises and a flood of mining gpu about hit, they screwed up big time and going to loose money on this release.
Had a bit of heart attack when the Intel employee came out swinging with “stage 1, we’re going to kill everyone”
the youtube poops write themselves
I was half wondering if he'd just stop there
In GN video he says they're planning on "humbly kicking ass".
Glad to see tech companies finally being transparent about their plans for specicide.
Glad to see them being forward and transparent about everything, it all works out amazing for them
Explained in great detail! Thank you so much!!
Them being open like this makes me trust them and their product more. I’m kinda actually intrigued to buy ARC even though I know it’ll be buggy. Well played Intel.
if the price and power consumption rumors for the 4000 series is true, then yeah it's actually looking like a good mid-high tier GPU
I believe them being this open is to stop the negative press while showing that they are sticking to there guns so I'd be looking forward to there next gen.
at least its well recived lol
but yeah i want to be a reversed purple team with my amd cpu and intel gpu instead the other way around
@@xkblxcripple but this is good move
Wait until you find out Intel is being open about extorting billions of your tax dollars from the government under threat. You get to pay Intel whether you buy a GPU or not!
When he said "We're gonna kill everyone" I was a bit worried that intel would just go full Terminator on their competition and anyone that doesn't have an ARC GPU. Luckily the "in price to performance" part cleared that up. Good on you Intel for having such transparity and clarity!
When I heard him say that, I literally burst out laughing
I can't wait for clips to come out of Intel spokesperson saying "We're gonna kill everyone" lol
@@D1EHARDTOO And that's only tier 1, damn these guys are serious about their gpu's...
I still doubt that the prices will be much lower than competition. I'm pretty sure an older GeForce or Radeon will be better value, if not, I'm interested even with the issues we know about.
As long as AMD is alive Intel not gonna "kill" anything. They should fix their cpu thermals first
Thank you soo much! This helped a lot! ❤️
Given the potential price point, Id be interested to see how it works on software like Davinci or Premiere Pro? (I know you touched on it with the AV1 stuff but I think it'd be interested to see something focusing on that)
I see why linus and everyone speaks so highly of Intel employees. They seem really nice!
I find them really endearing. Love that they played along with this video the way they did. Yeah free marketing, but still I appreciate the light-heartedness too.
employess are nice the shareholders arent lol
@@Daxiongmao87 u
@@tessierrr boohoo the people you dont interact with are greedy pigs who would have thought
seem
As a Linux user im over here thinking: "Well if everything I run already runs through DXVK, seems like I'm golden". Especially given how good intel's support for linux has been historically.
Same, DXVK and Vulcan were godsends. If only vkBasalt was closer to done so we'd have a native reShade replacement
I was wondering about the same thing
I think that they will give good support to Linux, especially knowing that AMD and Nvidia always leave that niche aside
Hey now that I think of it, dxvk works on windows too sooo maybe free performance even for tier 3 on windows?
@@armandoventura9043 AMD has had great Linux Support. Nvidia, not so much.
This is amazing. I love the LTT Store and Floatplane segments with the Intel reps.
I'm here for digital art, 3D works and renders. I wonder if the Arc could be an interesting option!
For that kind of stuff, it's highly likely that Nvidia will be ahead for quite some long time still
Hard to say, both optix in blender and raytracing in UE perform extremely well on Nvidia GPUs.
After his time with GN, Tom Peterson seems like Intel's version of Robert Hallock. Absolutely a marketing guy no matter how you slice it, but technically competent, and has more of a soul than your average corporate beancounter.
This looks like about as good a first graphics card can be for a company. I believe Intel's powerhouse status in the industry will help them get the bugs ironed out in time for Battlemage to be competitive, and Celestial to be a serious proposition. And three competitors in a space is always better than two.
It seems more like they are pulling guys with engineering/technical backgrounds into the marketing/sales world. Which isn't a bad thing, someone enthusiastic and can understand the product, plus can communicate stuff effectively for different audiences, makes a better impression than a generic sales powerpoint slide read.
@@Crazyasian123456 It's just a universal truth. Marketing guys with no technical understanding gets you "Oh, you don't need a cleaning kit for this new M16. It just doesn't need cleaning!"
@@Grimmwoldds nam flash backs intensifies
Tom has a harisma comparable to that of John Insprucker from SpaceX. I listen to both of them like mentors.
@@Crazyasian123456 I'm an automotive technician. I wish our industry had more competent people either selling our work, designing the cars, and marketing them. There is a HUGE disconnect in most industries. Love seeing a large corporate entity doing this. Maybe others will catch on.
The information and transparency of this video actually changed my mind on the potential for Arc and my interest in buying it. Sounds like it might be a great product given some time. I'm so glad that we might not be in a duopoly going forward.
Ah, marketing. Isn't it an amazing thing?
@@--_DJ_-- Hey man if it works, it works. And reading through the comments, people seem to resonate with the honesty of "we'll be competitive in newer games, and we'll be crap at old stuff".
Yeah and driver update will slowly fix this issues.
But the good thing is hearing that price will be base on tier 3 games that are poorly not optimize.
Which means it will be below rtx 3k series equivalent and rx 6k series equivalent GPU price.
Yeah intel might break the duopoly in the GPU sector. But in the CPU one, they are the very reason, why customers are vendor locked in a pricey x86 duopoly for decades.
Apple did absolutely the right thing, by departing from intel. And i hope, Nvidia is going to increase their efforts in arm chips as well.
Both companies seem also to prepare for the next step namely RISC-V.
It is really about time, that basic computing elements and standards get free from patents and legacy weights, which hold back innovation, fair prices and progress.
I'll have to see it to believe it. Anytime I have tried using DX12 over DX11 in many games, it has performed way worse in multiple ways.
While this would be a 3rd party solution, I'm really interested if the pre-dx12 era of games could simply be played via use of DXVK.
DXVK is not without issues and might cause some graphical glitches but so far from my limited experience it is very easy to use and is incredibly efficient for a translation layer to Vulkan.
I wish Microsoft could implement an optional DX-DX12 compatibility mode too but I guess it might be too inconsistent to market (like their X86-ARM compatibility layer).
I am wishful though with their kinda-stale OGL-DX12 (or was it to VK) compatibility project
@@ayuchanayuko I looked it up, and found that in 2020 Microsoft announced that "D3D12 Translation Layer and D3D11On12 are now open source". However I have not tried using it as a developer or gamer.
Just curious, will Arc be using freesync or does Intel have a different adaptive sync solution?
Props to everyone involved in this, from intel for the transparency and accessibility, to Linus for the honesty and also shouting out GN at the end
Intel may be transparent, but them stopping all work in Russia and Belarus certainly doesn't help me play games.
@@obeeked1385 just get it thru Kazakhstan or something lol
@@obeeked1385 what is their withdrawal in response to, and do you think that's more important than having the latest chip?
@@treader3126 goes for us too tbh.
@@TheInsideVideo i dont understand the question can you rephrase
You know, I’m glad Intel is targeting the midrange market rather than trying to fight AMD/NVidia in the high end.
Sure, it’s gonna suck to play Tier 3 games for now, but with enough development they’ll be able to brute force it. And with the right price, it is going to rapidly eat into the market share of Team Red/Green. With enough pressure, it’s going to pressure them both to lower prices. Which is going to lead to lower prices in the used GPU market.
No matter what side you are on, it is a win win for everyone if Intel succeeds in breaking into the GPU market.
they said they will price them based on tier 3 games performance, so it could actually be a good deal
If all games just port to Vulkan, it's a complete non-issue though. For games still in development, it's a no-brainer.
@@dylantaylor490 What about DXVK if some (older) games won't get attention?
I love being in the midrange rn.
@@severec0bra672 same
Honestly, NO ONE expected them to brought full-on cards that will be on par with NVidia's and AMD's
You can't cheat decades of experience after all
But honestly, from the little bit of what we saw in terms of performance, and if those price tags are as low as that...
Fuck me I'm buying it, I coulnd't even have dreamt of it
It totally exceeded my expectations
they all got really friendly with linus during his visit obviously but arc is a culmination of lots of blood, sweat, and tears on this card. It reasonable they want to show the card off in person
And this is where Intel might be seeking their success. If they can get enough people to buy their GPUs, and they hit a high enough share of the market, game devs will have no choice but to cooperate with Intel more tightly on optimizing their games as best as possible - something AMD was known for years, right? Their drivers being worse than what Nvidia was able to pump out. But with a good enough price/performance ratio for DX12 and Vulcan titles for existing games and all future ones? Quite few people will might get on board, and then let us not forget there is a huge segment of pre-built pcs for average people who juts buy whatever is available in a nice package and fair pricing.
Intel definitely has a foot in the door, and I do hope they can crash in to the party AMD and Nvidia had for years, and seriously change the landscape. So that we, users, are king once more, and not just investors ready to ditch a market that gave them success in the first place.
but the can cheat benchmarks :) They could also not show you frame-pacing with lot's of dips...
@@MrQwertyman111 I know I'm picking one A770 up on release.
@@MrQwertyman111 The same scheme Facebook is doing with the Oculus Quest and idk if im on board with this
Really appreciate LTT's tact here. This was reporting instead of a demo and I recognize that the latter would've been an easier video to make. Bravo.
I love that they, with all restrictions they set, were so kind to do the ltt-intern placements. seems like they are reasonably about what they want to say.
I really like that Intel is hands on and bringing back some "customer" focus. But still never buy into promises.
At leadst they were able to get Arthur Weasley to work on their company, making advanced Muggle-Tech for us.
Cautious optimism is the correct take here.
Those look like pretty real and concrete promises to me - I mean - they plugged those promises in, sent engineers out, and let them run games and tools live on camera for an unreleased product. That takes balls - balls I sure don't see nVidia or AMD doing. I give them points for that alone.
@@mattropolis99 It's going to take them some time to get their product stack in order... especially on the driver side... but I agree, they have nothing to gain by trying to hide behind marketing... I think they realize that the type of consumer who drives word-of-mouth is more powerful than marketing hype... so good on them.
@@control_the_pet_population Yeah i think this will do really good for them. I allready had some talks with friends about intel GPU and potential buying them. The open discussion on the product with engineers backing up the claims will make the rounds in the IT World
This is fantastic. I'm happy Intel is marketing like this. Transparency is so refreshing and definitely gives them some respect from enthusiasts.
Just goes to show how much NVIDIA and AMD hides.
wonder if they could do a DX9/DX10 wrapper to work in 11/12. Akin to 3DFX using a opengl to glide wrapper back in the day, if its possible it would be worth looking into.
The one thing I love about this card honestly is the look, the simple 2 fans, black with simple RGB fans and a strip just looks good
same it reminds me of the evga gtx 980
yeah, reference cards always look so good...
problem is they sell out within the first month of the card's existence and then you get the rest of the manufacturers pumping out ugly cards. In my opinion only amd's exclusive manufacturers powercolor, sapphire and xfx make comparable cards.
in Nvidia's 700 series days they had just about the most gorgeous graphics card cooler, while all the other brands brought in some cheap plastic ugly shiznit.
idk I actually think it looks really cheap lol
I like the 30 series FE look, completely made from aluminum with fins everywhere
i think this is the limited edition, not the typical model.
This kind of behavior from Intel will go a LOOOOONG way with nerds such as myself, well done!
I love these guys, so cool that they had fun and actually took part in some of LTT Store shilling.
they wanted LTT to promote their stuff. Linus pulled a reversal on them.
@@marcelomeirelles6039
Linus!! Promote our GPU!!
Sure.. You promote my Merch!!!
... Ok
Such behavior would be illegal in any other industries.
why would you buy intel gpu instead of amd or nvidia? amd is the best at games and nvidia is the best at ai?
@@nathanjokeley4102 you think AMD cards are better for gaming than Nvidia?
Love ur new hair linus. May want to use a stronger hair gel to keep it from falling 🙃
Okay that ltt bottle ad plug was genious
3:51 I really thought his plan was to kill everyone for a second. I laughed so hard
I couldn’t not laugh at this 😂
Love Tom Peterson. Intel really just sent them on a press tour. I was so surprised to see them in Steve’s videos and then on the WAN show the next day
I hope Intel gives the guy a huge bonus because he seems to be generating a lot of goodwill in the community.
They were probably looking for someone who looked most like a typical dad and had vacation time close, so they've sent him on a press tour across the country
@@tyrgoossens he almost definitely gets sliding scale bonuses based off the success of the product so it's in his own interest to gather a lot of goodwill
@@512TheWolf512 Tom definitely knows what he's talking about, he's been in the business since the early geforce cards when he worked for nvidia. He also co developed what became xmp.
@@ChimpWhisperer crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women! - Tom Petersen 2022
pretty awesome that he did the LTT store ad. what a guy.
This video was super interesting. Being able to show the product warts and all goes a long way toward making me feel confident enough to try it out. I have been mildly tempted to upgrade because of GPU prices and stocking coming back to more normal levels but I still have my 1080ti that I got in 2017 which is still such a powerhouse that it more than fits all my needs. If/when I upgrade I am thinking "more performance" will not be the most important factor and instead I will be looking for non-"higher fps" reasons to upgrade.
Looks like Intel is winning customers over this. I actually like how open they are and know their limitations. And I'm one of those customers they won, and I wanna see their future of GPUs.
Only customers who are naive. Not customers who think for themselves. And if all the cards don't get full firmwares then all AMD and ARM users will never buy their cards.
@@eliotrulez tbh people r meat riding intel hard. The product is utter and pure trash and yet because they seem so “nice and open” people r willing to through all their opinions to the side and praise them for the hell of it. This is an obvious marketing ploy in order to reduce backlash for their trash drivers and gpus.
@@Majaa4L It's interesting to know the school of thought used by the designer.
AND BECAUSE EVEN AMD WAS VOCAL IN ABANDONING THE LOW END.
July 2022 Steam top GPU is still 1060 and 1650
We need serious offerings at the $250 price point and Arc is the most promising one.
@@Majaa4L Tbf, if pricing is based on 'tier 3' gaming performance, you're getting huge performance for price when running D12 and Vulkan based games. Will depend on your game library I suppose. But for this same reason, these new arc cards are definitely a niche offering.
I really hope that Intel Arc GPU is going the be a hit. We as a consumer will gain a lot by these 3 big company fighting on each other giving us the best price/value GPU to the market. At least this is what i hope..
I wouldn't expect much competition from only 3 companies. I hope I'm wrong.
Other data so far has indicated that their drivers are pretty broken though (massive stuttering as reported by Igors lab I believe), while also performing worse than a 3070 and drawing more power. Also remember, that Ryan Shrout has lied multiple times in various interviews so whatever he says I would always take with a truckload of salt.
Once the products are out, independent reviews will verify of course the whole situation - I would really hope that they will provide adequate performance to have another choice as a consumer, but I really believe there's less than a 10% chance that an Intel GPU would be a better choice as a gamer than either AMD or Nvidia.
Expect a rough patch for the first year or two anyway. Remember that while Intel is a big company they are relatively new to the dedicated graphics game, so I’d expect some growing pains as they refine their products and update drivers.
I guess we shouldn't expect anything more from the Alchemist lineup, it is the first time they are jumping in the field of discrete GPUs (if you don't consider the DG1), I guess they will bring something promising in the battlemage lineup
@@Kristjan_N performance wise the first two years aren't going to be it. However, frankly, Intel has the cash reserves to just sell the product at a massive loss until the software catches up. That alone will most likely make the GPU a competing product against whichever price tier from Nvidia or AMD it ends up against.
I really do hope that Intel keeps going with GPU production and push the market in a different direction - especially should it decide to target efficiency over performance.
Rofl that lttstore bottle ad was great 😄
Next year is gonna be absolutely incredible as far as the landscape for GPU's goes. Nvidia oversaturation of 3000 series and possible 4000 series, AMD coming with RDNA 3, and Intel coming in with ARC. It's really looking like a perfect (after)storm for consumers, I'm excited!
Next year is already BattleMage for Intel Arc
same
I'm waiting for the 40 series, by then there's probably going to be tons of 30 series for cheap lol
@@ImJustJAG you shouldn't be so confident about it.
Hopefully crypto stays low in value then
One thing no one can deny is that they have the best looking founders edition cards or whatever you call them, so freaking sexy!
A black and blue setup would look really nice with those cards
I'd deny that and point to the RTX 30 series. These GPUs do look pretty good too though.
Early tests look great, hopefully we can see optimization soon
And the low prices should push Nvidia and AMD to change a little too
That "if i care about keeping my promise" gag damn near killed me x'D
Look I love the strategy and honestly really hope Intel succeeds in breaking through. What I keep staring at is how CLEAN those GPUs look! The smooth black brick with the punchy LED.
Sadly that is only because this is like a special edition of the card. But yeah looks really good!
This actually has got me interested in ARC now. Also, it was priceless watching Linus hold back the "Nice" when he was asking about the gpu temperature
if anything, this video made me interested in getting one.
but first:
how viable are intel arc dgpus for a linux setup?
does the cpu vendor matter when using an arc gpu? does it perform worse on a ryzen system?
will i be able to afford the cool rgb one as shown in the video?
He got a sponsor to sponsor his own product, *GENIUS!*
This is impressive on so many levels. The openness of the Intel team is astounding, and their willingness to come out to all of these RUclips channels to show off their current state is awesome.
Whoever made the decisions to launch in this manner did a great job.
It's also impressive how good their silicon and driver's are this early in the process.
Hopefully they keep going with this on all fronts 👍
You haven't seen benchmarks yet, their performance is pretty bad and their drivers are still pretty trash. Of course they just launched so you can't fault them too much, but at the same time I am not out here trying to be a beta tester
Intel: We'll show our gpu's but you'll have to do it our way
Linus: That's fine but we're gonna do your way, my way.
im rooting for them, might get one to try out
Well, it seems soon I might be running a full blue machine since a GPU is the last thing I was waiting for to finish my new PC.
(Currently running on the 960 from my old rig, it holds up surprisingly well)
I can't wait to see the pricing on these. Especially if they are going to work well with video editing software.
I'm legitimately excited about AV1 as a successor to HEVC. Intel throwing its weight behind it will hopefully accelerate adoption timelines by a few years.
@@GSBarlev itll be interesting to see if these will be worth making multi gpu PCs. If the price and performance is right could be good.
@@molecularmagexdshorts3706 If they put out a sub-$200 card that can be used in Linux for GPU acceleration by ffmpeg or blender, I'll buy one to pair with my Radeon 6700XT (for which both things are technically possible but still bleeding edge).
@@GSBarlev if Intel stays the course it should be really good all around to stabilize pricing and availability. Ive got 2 rigs 1 with a 3080 & 1 with a 3080 ti. I want to build a multi Gpu system but pricing was a bit too high to justify it. Maybe over the course of the next year itll be a bit more feasible.
@@molecularmagexdshorts3706 the pricing of these has already been leaked. there are some news articles about it and if they are true the A310(4gb) should be under 100 dollar. the A380 6gb between 100-150 (linus said 129 in the video i think) and then u got the A580 8gb between 200-299 dollar. The A750 8gb between 200-400 dollar and at last the A770 16gb/8gb between 300 and 399 dollar
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bruh
“How the turn-tables.. ” 😂
But, honestly, great to see Intel communicating with their customers and giving their engineers some screen time :)
The amount of times Linus adjusted his hair tho lol
This way of marketing from intel is so refreshing to see. I’m sure a lot of us gamers are tired of the deceitful marketing other companies in the gaming sector has been pushing on us. No one else does more research into a product we want to purchase than gamers. I’ve spent hundreds of hours watching reviews and benchmarks before buy something for my gaming computer and it didn’t stop after I finished my rig. Now I research all the time for for my next gpu/cpu....
I dunno but this kinda made me get 2 steps back and realize how much of a feat is to develop a new GPU division and take up a fight with nvidia and ATI(AMD). I wish you good luck although the time in the market is not ideal with the whole global stuff, recession and component shortages.
Even if you are Intel*
i feel like they have the capital and facilities to at least survive until the demand rises again
Idk I feel like the time is pretty good right now, because of the whole global stuff and component shortages. GPUs are/were a rarity, so pretty much anything will be bought
How you managed to get Ryan Shrout to do the LTTstore shoutout is beyond me but hilarious
I dont plan on building another computer for a good couple years, but it is nice to hear that by then there might be a pretty tough choice between the brands. Competition brings prices down (well, it should...).
Seems like a fair way to market a new video card vendor. "Hey, these cards are specifically for new games because our target is only the newest APIs. We're outright saying the older stuff is poorly optimized, and may get better slowly with time but it's not the focus." Honestly seems like a good strategy for making incremental progress and finally having a new competitor.
Presumably the idea is to make up the difference with raw performance in next generations and improved drivers over time. Which, as long as the price is right, is certainly viable.
@@Carahan As long as Intel upper management doesn't pull the plug on this whole experiment before it get it's legs under it.
Focussing on creating hardware for Vulkan and DX12 sounds like a very good plan to me! Now if game engines would natively support explicit multi GPU setups, then i'd buy 4 of those Arcs.
I almost never comment on videos, but the honesty and openness (of what's allowed for a littinany of legal reasons) is SUPER refreshing.... they are aware it's new its going to have some issues but openly addressed an audience instead of hype videos that are produced to then not have cards and charge a soul for a card
Can we all appreciate how clean and smooth those ARC GPUs look?
From a design perspective, I love that Intel didn't slap their logo and branding all over the GPU. It looks a lot better IMO than a lot of other graphics cards that have just too much branding and "gamer aesthetics" like carbon fiber and random weird angles.
It's up there with the founder's edition RTX 3080 for me. Both are absolutely gorgeous cards. AMD's current Radeon reference coolers look like cheap tacky crap by comparison.
yeah for real, the design looks really sleek and nice
100% agree
I think myself and others would love to see you guys do a budget build with these new cards. Either a 12400 or 12600K or 13th gen equivalent. . . future video idea! But still using ddr4 and other budget appropriate parts would be awesome. All the videos I see are with an i9 best case outcome for this part. We all want to see how well this card does with a system in its price bracket.
He hit us with the “Nice” right after I said nice🤣🤣
Intel got me. I am sincerely impressed with the transparency. I’m doubling down on it so much now - just when I was thinking about going the other way!
Transparency is good and all but thier product is hot garbage rn.
@@pedoslayer275 it actually fits my use perfectly. Now, it will really depend on price for that very final decision.
@ that true but u might need to consider that their drivers and software has a high of failure and incompatibility so u might wanna save yourself from that.
@@pedoslayer275 did you yourself had a chance to test for your needs? For my specific needs, once again, seems to be great!
Honestly, big props to Intel for being so open about their development process. That's a good sign in my opinion because it means they are aware of their situation but are 100% dedicated to improving.
I think if they can get some more of the issues ironed out until launch, then their GPUs could still very well be a viable solution for many people who in general just don't want to spend too much money on a GPU.
it's damage control, nothing about being open... why assume people that tech giant companies are good? They don't care about you. Never have, never will.
They're being "open" to the viewers to prepare you all for the worst. They're just jumping ahead of the backlash so that they can say that I told you so.
this was intel before Pat Gelsinger: ruclips.net/video/vuaiqcjf0bs/видео.html
But TLDW:
The actual workforce behind intel are great people.
the issue is their management pushing them with weird goals and marketing team pulling every possible rabbit out of their hats to dodge criticism, and lying about their performance.
that video was in 2019, before Pat
Intel ACTUALLY letting their team show up and being transparent about their work is a welcome change
i think what's good about them is there is a bit of care if something doesn't work they wont release it good for reliability I guess its just a juggle between consumer and market share holders
@@kieranlee9610 Oh stop it! Intel doesn't care no more that they cared when they were screwing over the consumers for years with their expensive CPU's. Now I believe that there's a lot of hired Marketing/PR bots making these comments to sway the viewers into thinking that Intel are a nice company because they know that people have short term memory.
I love the intel dudes, they seem so nice and I think open communication from the people who make this stuff is insanely heart-warming and it feels like this product has a "face" if you know what I mean
This might be the best advert I have ever seen. Great job Intel and LTT
This is PR done right. Reaching out to the community and disclosing where you're doing well, the flaws that still need improvements, and the recent improvements you've made since the last time we got a look at it
Honestly, though I haven't been super-impressed with Intel's Arc GPUs so far, I'm very much enjoying them bouncing around between Gamers Nexus, LTT, and whomever else is next (here's hoping), actually telling us as much as they possibly can.
Also, Linus getting Intel to shill his products is absolutely amazing and I love it.
It's all about that price bay-bee.
Finally new budget priced budget cards on the market. Shit like the $170 GTX 1630 and $200 6500xt will be harder to pull. Can't wait to do some budget builds with the pricing war that's coming up.
Thing is, if they end up being half the price of what people where expecting them to be it all changes :).
It does mean your perf/watt is horrible in tier3 games , but the dollar / fps is ina pretty good state. And from here it only goes up for tier3/tier1. It does lower the hurt of the early adaptor tax . Maybe they can still work something out to be interesting.
@@jorismak Still.. do they even outperform a rx580 that i bought like 5 years ago for 70 bucks.. (they might be close for about double that price.. and 5 years late...)
@@larsvegas1505 if they are running cyberpunk at 1440p around 60 its about 2.5x faster than the rx580 . They tested CPunk indoors , that was a little wierd , so maybe around 2x 580 performance , maybe they experience insane microstuttering in the open world , so avarage FPS is useless and game is unplayable. And CPunk was a tier1 game , i think its the same performance as a 580 in tier 3 games.
@@dennisozgan2200 that was the a770 though, the highest model. Not the a380 one that will cost 130 bucks :P.
Still, cyberpunk is tier1. So 'performing really well on arc'. And they said they would price the cards relating to tier3 performance , so 'performing really bad on arc'.... I'll be curious to know the pricing of the a770. Power usage will be high, but price will be alright. that's my realistic take on it.
The WAN Show with these guys was great! I'm excited to see what happen s when this is released!
Wow this is an awesome review. I think Arc GPUs will be successful. This is the competition we need. Not perfect but definitely a good start that we hope to have expected!
I have a feeling that Intel Arc is going to do pretty well in due time... Intel has plans to climb back up, and I'll root for them. I'm very happy with my 11th gen core i5 and Iris Xe with my ThinkPad, though I may get an Arc GPU as a thunderbolt eGPU. That honesty from Intel is pretty amazing.
I also root for the small business intel...
@@JM_BoltActionGunStuff it's not about Intel being a gigantic soulless company, it's more about having a new player in the GPU space that will hopefully allow for more innovation and driving GPU prices down for consumers
though when you're competing with another giant with decades of experience I'm assuming it's going to be really hard for Intel to catch up but honestly I'd love to see them try
Intel is literally extorting our government for a big chunk of your tax money. Don't root for them. They're criminals.
@@FrostyFoxGamingIGM even though nvidia has a net worth of almost half a TRILLION dollars. And Intel only having 140 billion dollars. I think Intel has more of a shot than people give them credit for. Yes, nvidia has been world leading for decades. But..... Intel also MAKES monitors. That's their whole focus is graphics, I think they may understand a few things more than nvidia. At least when it comes to their monitors. Dunno if I have ever seen an nvidia monitor, I know for sure I've seen an Intel one. Point being, Intel I think it's about to be a very real threat to the GPU market in terms of pricing, and I think they may make improvements faster than NVIDIA just because nvidia seems to enjoy munching on the profits of old GPUs as long as possible.
@@FrostyFoxGamingIGM i'm not interested in their 500 watt comically inefficient crap that you can't even buy and is going to be 2 years late to the market at best anyways.
I bet this is gonna be interesting, and might be a considerable option for me when it becomes available
With current supply/price cut of 30 series and 60 series that would be a bad decision. Also when intel launch this thing, 40 and 70 series would be out!
@@pinakijana9479 Yea it's all about price to performance...which is exactly the game Intel would be playing as said in the video.
@@pinakijana9479 It's going to be cheap so not a bad decision at all if they are on a budget.
@@tiromandal6399 but then the A380 is comparable to 2/3 gen old Nvidia GPUs which have more compatibility and are still cheaper second hand. I hope for competition but AMD and Nvidia just seem objectively better.
Edit: gen
@@baconwizard Name a RTX card that's cost $129. Even used would do.
I love that, for the most part, the PC enthusiast channels support each other.
Gonna be nice to pair my Intel CPU 4ever rigs with an Intel GPU. Looking forward to ARC a lot.
This is actually a brilliant strategy. AMD likes to talk about how their GPUs "age like a fine wine." Well these are going to age like a fine cognac. Pay for the performance you get today, and driver updates will potentially double that in many games over the coming years. If they really do price them as low as they suggest, this could be a really interesting option.
But in the meantime, you're looking at a GPU with such poor drivers that some games might not even run at all...
And you rely on the goodwill of Intel that they will provide these drivers.
What if they decide to not provide drivers for older models of their GPUs?
@@Henk14789 I fear there might be compatibility issues in really old games
@@Henk14789: any game from this year onwards is borderline flawless.
So long as you have a 11th Gen CPU PCIe4. DX12 .Nothing can touch ARC on release. That’s what they’re trying to say.
That will only get better when they can adjust the drivers.
Arc is a future products focused on future games.
Nvidia and AMD will be better on older games.
That’s the only drawback.
@@Jehty_ the answer is open source.