I mean, it's a very cool card. And it's not like it hasn't been effective. Man, control warrior has never had this many cool cards in it while still feeling like control warrior. I love the direction the archetype has taken
@@DassoBrother Its ironically enough actually the right call. The point was to force the opponent to hero power, then plague of flames. The other way around would allow him to just play plague then hero power, and trump would be slightly behind on board which can matter in these control battles. I also wanted to note the pointlessness of going face there. The opponent still had 6 shards if we count what he could have shuffled in his deck that would have healed the extra damage he would have done to face. The mayor of value town has finally got a home in this deck.
i think he might've actually won if he played it early the button was doing literally nothing for him with those flingers trouble is i'm not sure when he drew it. he did have plenty of turns vs an empty board post galak, so i'm thinkin he drew it towards the end when he was already out of steam
@@Majorohminus And not playing it earlier would be a guaranteed fatigue loss. I'd personally take my chances against the possibility of a combo versus a drawn out loss.
@@vincentcircharo8259 Actually he (unintenially?) played around Plague of flames and jaraxxus (for 10 mana). I would have done the same (how else would you lose expect for jaraxxus?)
If you choose to look at it that way, then yeah. It's a cheap, common, powerful infinite value card that can be put in any deck and will win games. I don't think it's a stretch to call it overpowered for what it is.
There's no way that Magtheridon trade was correct, right? A 12/9 into a 1/1 to play around Plague of Flames when opponent can just hero power and play the Plague anyway. Seems worth dealing 12 face damage every time
even if he puts the 12 damage on the face it doesn’t mean anything because control warrior is all about the war of attrition. He has no follow-up burst so pressuring premature lethal is fruitless. Making the warlock have to hero power turns his 1 mana POF turn into 3, stalling the game since he now has less mana to develop
@@PhoeniixHeart If your end goal is to fatigue the warlock and you're playing around a card that trading didnt play around because of their 2 mana hero power, Im going to say that 12 damage has a pretty damn good chance of being relevant.
Phoenix Camille in a war of attrition does the warlock not want to press the button each turn anyway? Not disagreeing with you, 12 to face was not super important here anyway
so they basically follow a wave pattern of popularity and strenght slow meta -> good good -> people start teching too many techs -> not played anymore -> eventually no more techs rinse and repeat
Unfortunately this meta is anything but slow atm. It's either the druid gets ramp, the combo gets combo by 8-9, or the aggro rushes hard and turns right for a turn 5-6 lethal. Unless control warrior/priest makes some breakthroughs, Scholomance is already dumb fast.
Rattlegore is not op at all, in fact it is prob one of the worst card warrior has Think about this, it is 9 mana, which means you have 1 extra mana to work with as warrior which means very limited quick effect you can do that term, your best play is just shield slamb. you play a unkillable 9 cost minion, great, it doesn't do anything the term it comes on, so you need to be ahead on the board when you play it usually, Suppose you satisfy all these requirement, it usually means you already win, but okay, let's assume that you are only 50/50 and you are slightly ahead on the board and you don't mind to basically skip a term of immediate board influence Rattlegore is likely to be silenced immediately, given that meta consist of many deck that can destroyed by silence, it is not common to see silence to be there as a tech option or even worse, against priest, they have many ways to take your minion, mind control just one of them Warrior by nature dont have good way to deal with Rattlegore as well, so I guess you lose. Or you can bring silence effect from nutural in warrior as well, which make the meta even worse for rattlegore. It is a money sink don't buy into it, just go agro
People keep saying "but what if they [insert answer] rattlegore" but having actually played against rattlegore and having played rattlegore in big warrior, I can say that I havent seen such answers yet
7:50 is a clear reason as to why Nozdormu needs to be hall of famed or reworked, being able to take away almost an entire turn for your opponent with them being unable to play is incredibly stupid, and we have seen this kind of things happen with him since TGT so its not something new with him, good thing Trump was able to snap play that brawl
Wow, I'm impressed. I knew that card had the potential to be annoying, but I didn't realize how good it would be in warrior. Nice. Also watching the ending song at 1.5x speed is funny.
Me after video: "druid game seemed like not a great example of the average druid game. Priest matchup showed that the deck might be lacking value although this might also be attributed to the priest matchup just being bad which might be ok assuming the other meta matchups are good enough. Warlock matchup, i think pen flinger did surprisingly well. However, in general, it feels like pen flinger does not have a significant impact in any of these games. I'm just not sure what matchup this reusable ping is supposed to improve. The one game I think it really did well (warlock game), I feel like it wasn't actually necessary. If you play control warrior sufficiently efficiently, you should be able to get through those situations without pen flinger which means you can replace those slots with other value cards. Perhaps it's a good tech card depending on what the meta looks like then. I would need to look at stats in that case to determine how effective it is.
Pen Flinger is my absolute favorite card to use. I like using it in a spell slinging hunter with Vareesa as a conditional finisher for Priests and Warriors, but I made it more tempo based with some of the spell burst cards. It works extremely well with Arcane Fletcher as a late game draw engine similar to Gadgetzan Auctioneer, as well as Voracious Reader during mid game. For once Blizzard made a well designed card.
@@Gothstana he's complaining about how bullshit renew can get. Mind control was arguably the literal best card that priest could have gotten against rattlegore
That trade was so stupid, lox hero power makes two tokens...that crap really matters when it's down to fatigue and your opponent uses jaraxxus to win instead of a heal
Trump has found my week 1 theorycraft list lol. Not bashing it at all but it is hilarious how he includes double Magescribes as well as Rattlegore over something more assertive like Kel'Thuzad. As a side note he STILL includes Magtheridon LOL
I thought about saying this for a couple of days and I finally decided to do it. Trump's "laboratory" decks are usually extremely experimental and depend upon singular cards or a package that *might* work. I like this format and the result is always interesting or, better yet, even working (Libram Paladin) but this niche on whole other level. I think Pen Flinger is good with Execute as a 3 mana destroy a minion and that's pretty much it. In a aggro meta I could totally see Pen Flinger work but in this upcoming midrange/tempo/omega aggro/control/druid value meta, I just don't see it working at all. I actually impressed how well you did against your opponents but I think it was mostly the other cards carrying PF. Ps. (I know I said PF is good against aggro but have you seen *how* aggressive most of the meta aggro decks are? You ain't got no time for 1 mana 1/1 deal 1s)
28:00. Playing around plague of flames when the warlock can just hero power to get 4 imps and play it anyways. Missing 12 damage to cost the opponent 2 mana really doesn't seem worth it.
5:05 trump makes the play of throwing away his first rattle gore and taking 11 if the opponent trades in the 1/3. Then somehow his opponent makes a worse play. What a game
Having just watched Kripp murder opponents on turn 8 with crazy exodia warlock otks where he plays malygos for 0 mana then just throws soulfire and crap at the opponent's face, I'm dubious about this pen flinger thing.
Magtheridon again. Man, your love for this card is admirable.
I mean, it's a very cool card. And it's not like it hasn't been effective.
Man, control warrior has never had this many cool cards in it while still feeling like control warrior. I love the direction the archetype has taken
It’s great in control warrior but I feel like he forces it into other decks.
@@nick1834 What else do you expect from the mayor of value town? How can he resist the Twisting Nether + 4 mana 12/12 minion?
he just redeeming his 5star card from cruel last expansion. and thank god this expansion is tempo and control heavy
nativechatter999 exactly he’s addicted to the value
The fact that rattlegore doesn't get more high pitched the smaller he gets is a crime.
i've been thinking this ever since i first saw it ressumon
Someone please make a video of this! 😂
I'm picturing exactly how Zac works in League of Legends
@@umageddon It does indeed exist - ruclips.net/video/X0RgHykVx30/видео.html
that would be great and funny too
27:55 Ah! Good old Trump trades. 12/9 to 1/1 instead of going face.
That cracked me up to. Says it's to play around Plague of Flames but his opponent would just hero power PoF to clear anyways...
You ever just feel physical pain from such a bad play? I think he is secretly trying to find ways to make his viewers feel pain lol
@@DassoBrother Its ironically enough actually the right call. The point was to force the opponent to hero power, then plague of flames. The other way around would allow him to just play plague then hero power, and trump would be slightly behind on board which can matter in these control battles. I also wanted to note the pointlessness of going face there. The opponent still had 6 shards if we count what he could have shuffled in his deck that would have healed the extra damage he would have done to face. The mayor of value town has finally got a home in this deck.
@Explain the fun away Yeah... Someone's been watching too much Trump lol
@@williamrojas6125 Oh no the Warlock is down 2 mana instead of 12 health lmao
"Wasn't me." Immediately do it again. The flavor on this card is aggravatingly perfect.
"Wanna pee"
@@frilledshrimpo3924 Thanks... I hate you...
"Hey, Loser!"
Opponent: "Well played"
Trump: "Your tenacity is admirabl-"
Pen Flinger: "HEY LOSER"
Maybe if he played jaraxxus to generate 10 infernals instead of waiting 10 turns to use it as "heal 8" he'd have had a shot
i think he might've actually won if he played it early
the button was doing literally nothing for him with those flingers
trouble is i'm not sure when he drew it. he did have plenty of turns vs an empty board post galak, so i'm thinkin he drew it towards the end when he was already out of steam
@@SteveBrulle oof
@@nunyabizz3357 Hey loser! ✏️
Warlock didn't know if trump plays grommish combo in his deck, playing jarraxus would be instant lose if trump did.
@@Majorohminus And not playing it earlier would be a guaranteed fatigue loss. I'd personally take my chances against the possibility of a combo versus a drawn out loss.
Trump: *trades 12/12 into a 1/1*
Trump: “Looks weird but plague of flames”
Me: “ok but then he just button, flames”
27:55 nope, this is one hundred percent ridiculous, because in case of plague, all the opponent had to do is to hero power
I was raging dude. Wtf
This was the most Trump Trade that Trump has ever Traded.
Damage doesn't matter at all in this game but 2 mana (or two 1/1) might.
@@vincentcircharo8259 did you see the "damage doesn't matter"?
@@vincentcircharo8259 Actually he (unintenially?) played around Plague of flames and jaraxxus (for 10 mana).
I would have done the same (how else would you lose expect for jaraxxus?)
Can’t believe Magtheridon is actually insanely fun in this deck.
that warlock is gonna hear "hey loser" in his dreams
Pen Flinger effectively gives you the Evenmage hero power on any turn you cast a spell.
and in addition to that you get to keep your regular hero power! that's value
If you choose to look at it that way, then yeah. It's a cheap, common, powerful infinite value card that can be put in any deck and will win games. I don't think it's a stretch to call it overpowered for what it is.
Gees wasn't this game rough enough to play without hearing, "HEY LOSER!" on every turn? lmfao
I thought it was 'Hello There'
Well, I think that PERFECTLY enhances the flavour of the card xD
@FMarteen
It's so strong in rogue too.
There's no way that Magtheridon trade was correct, right? A 12/9 into a 1/1 to play around Plague of Flames when opponent can just hero power and play the Plague anyway. Seems worth dealing 12 face damage every time
even if he puts the 12 damage on the face it doesn’t mean anything because control warrior is all about the war of attrition. He has no follow-up burst so pressuring premature lethal is fruitless. Making the warlock have to hero power turns his 1 mana POF turn into 3, stalling the game since he now has less mana to develop
@@PhoeniixHeart If your end goal is to fatigue the warlock and you're playing around a card that trading didnt play around because of their 2 mana hero power, Im going to say that 12 damage has a pretty damn good chance of being relevant.
Trevor Elliott missed point completely
Phoenix Camille in a war of attrition does the warlock not want to press the button each turn anyway? Not disagreeing with you, 12 to face was not super important here anyway
Jesse Chen then the warlock wouldnt have 2 1-1s which trump values over health lead which is meaningless in the context of the game state
I think that if i ever face the pen flinger i'll insta-concede to not hear that "Hey, loser" over and over again
Wasn't me!!!!
He says 'Hello there' not hey loser.
@@Klaital1 he says hey loser
hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Pen_Flinger
Trump’s so gullible he joined the Pen 15 Club.
Took a trip to PenIsland, he did
Hey loser ✏️
What's penis club
I prefer some pen joke
But *pen* guin is better
Help
makes a video including how wrong he was about Magtheridon. proceeds to make two decks using Magtheridon.
Classic Trump
I think he just likes magetheridon
@@MrTetrisz ya think so?
Praise Magtheridon! 6 stars!
THE TIME IS RIGHT!
1 "Hey loser" = 1 childhood memory of being abused
Quiet kids playing Hearthstone in class 😰
3:39
Wasn't mee !!!
hug
The verbal abuse deck! Between "Hey Looser" and "Gonna Cry"
It just missing *This is our town skrub*
That's "loser." A looser would be someone who lets something loose.
Schoolyard Bully warrior.
@@thebigyes8482 We need Evil Heckler back.
@@TheNegronomicon We still have Hecklebot in standard!
4 days and no new videos feels bad man.
blizzard: prints “deal one to anything” but way better and it’s a neutral
blizzard next: prints grapeshot but 0 mana, gives it to hunter.
Storm count is at Huffer
“What could go wrong.”
They really need to fix Nozdormu this cart is so unhealthy
Card has been in the damn game since launch and Blizzard still hasn't fixed it. Abused that "bug" was actually used in several decks in the past.
They mentioned a basic/classic set revamp in the reddit AMA yesterday
I can't believe nobody talked about how absolutely insane Rattlegore is if the meta is slow, which it seems to be
cards like rattlegore can never be insane because any time they rise in popularity people will just start running owl and make it useless
so they basically follow a wave pattern of popularity and strenght
slow meta -> good
good -> people start teching
too many techs -> not played anymore -> eventually no more techs
rinse and repeat
Unfortunately this meta is anything but slow atm. It's either the druid gets ramp, the combo gets combo by 8-9, or the aggro rushes hard and turns right for a turn 5-6 lethal.
Unless control warrior/priest makes some breakthroughs, Scholomance is already dumb fast.
Rattlegore is not op at all, in fact it is prob one of the worst card warrior has
Think about this, it is 9 mana, which means you have 1 extra mana to work with as warrior which means very limited quick effect you can do that term, your best play is just shield slamb.
you play a unkillable 9 cost minion, great, it doesn't do anything the term it comes on, so you need to be ahead on the board when you play it usually,
Suppose you satisfy all these requirement, it usually means you already win, but okay, let's assume that you are only 50/50 and you are slightly ahead on the board and you don't mind to basically skip a term of immediate board influence
Rattlegore is likely to be silenced immediately, given that meta consist of many deck that can destroyed by silence, it is not common to see silence to be there as a tech option
or even worse, against priest, they have many ways to take your minion, mind control just one of them
Warrior by nature dont have good way to deal with Rattlegore as well, so I guess you lose. Or you can bring silence effect from nutural in warrior as well, which make the meta even worse for rattlegore.
It is a money sink don't buy into it, just go agro
People keep saying "but what if they [insert answer] rattlegore" but having actually played against rattlegore and having played rattlegore in big warrior, I can say that I havent seen such answers yet
Might as well craft a golden Magtheridon at this point.
This will bring us closer to the B timeline
Reliving that match hurts haha, well played Trump :) (CumradFluffy)
7:50 is a clear reason as to why Nozdormu needs to be hall of famed or reworked, being able to take away almost an entire turn for your opponent with them being unable to play is incredibly stupid, and we have seen this kind of things happen with him since TGT so its not something new with him, good thing Trump was able to snap play that brawl
"Rattlegore is such a backbreaker" ... and within seconds: gone is Rattlegore :')
With Priest the mind games begin before the mulligan is even done.
27:58 it is actually wrong because if he was holding a plague of flames he could just hero power into it.
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Wow, I'm impressed. I knew that card had the potential to be annoying, but I didn't realize how good it would be in warrior. Nice.
Also watching the ending song at 1.5x speed is funny.
When next video??
That double 'hey loser'. Such good editing haha
At the endo of that druid Game I was lowkey expecting a warden omu otk
Me before video: "centering your value engine around a 1 drop that you can't consistently draw seems like a bad idea, especially for a control deck"
Me after video: "druid game seemed like not a great example of the average druid game. Priest matchup showed that the deck might be lacking value although this might also be attributed to the priest matchup just being bad which might be ok assuming the other meta matchups are good enough. Warlock matchup, i think pen flinger did surprisingly well. However, in general, it feels like pen flinger does not have a significant impact in any of these games. I'm just not sure what matchup this reusable ping is supposed to improve. The one game I think it really did well (warlock game), I feel like it wasn't actually necessary. If you play control warrior sufficiently efficiently, you should be able to get through those situations without pen flinger which means you can replace those slots with other value cards. Perhaps it's a good tech card depending on what the meta looks like then. I would need to look at stats in that case to determine how effective it is.
Pen Flinger is my absolute favorite card to use. I like using it in a spell slinging hunter with Vareesa as a conditional finisher for Priests and Warriors, but I made it more tempo based with some of the spell burst cards. It works extremely well with Arcane Fletcher as a late game draw engine similar to Gadgetzan Auctioneer, as well as Voracious Reader during mid game. For once Blizzard made a well designed card.
The forest fights with her back . 😂
Are you ok Trump?
Trump: This is a true control vs. Control game
Priest: Congratulations, you played yourself
14:54 - Mind Control. Still nominated (and always will be nominated) as "Spell Most Likely to Make Your Opponent Punch the Wall."
Not Resurrect, you sure?
Pen Flinger is the most MtG card in Hearthstone, in the best way possible. Hooray for repeatable effects like that!
Good old Renew into Mind Control, a fun and interactive spell that priests OBVIOUSLY need since they’re so weak and frail
Are you... complaining about Mind Control? Mind Control?!
@@Gothstana he's complaining about how bullshit renew can get. Mind control was arguably the literal best card that priest could have gotten against rattlegore
Druid: I can play 12/12 worth of stats by turn 4!
Pen Flinger: I can deal 1 damage like 7 times in one game!
Wow, that Rattlegore is a beast.
The first game was beautiful, the druid had no idea what he was walking in to!
I knew fully, I drew weirdly, and played overflow like a madman trying to get Survival.
Kaiba had his Blue Eyes, Yugi his Dark Magician... But Trump has Magtheridon!
Trades Magtheridon into an imp in fear of plague of flames. It's not like the opposition could summon two more imps with the hero power.
That trade was so stupid, lox hero power makes two tokens...that crap really matters when it's down to fatigue and your opponent uses jaraxxus to win instead of a heal
Playing rattlegore that early was a throw, priest was bound to have saved at least a silence
27:57 now that is what I call a Trump Trade™
Pen Flinger is the perfect "taunt" card, just play it and take it back to hand to have it spam "Hey loser!".
Hey Trump, any chance of an Arena video soon? I'm curious how broken the new cards are in there.. but can't do arena myself due to internet issues.
Made a deck based on this theme and added Grommash Hellscream, loads of fun.
You fell for it fool!
Flinging Pen Split Attack!
Trump has found my week 1 theorycraft list lol. Not bashing it at all but it is hilarious how he includes double Magescribes as well as Rattlegore over something more assertive like Kel'Thuzad.
As a side note he STILL includes Magtheridon LOL
That Magtheridon into 1/1 trade almost gave me a heart attack
A classic Trump moment
why would you abuse pen flinger in control warrior when you could be using it in paladin with in theory infinite librams of wisdom?
elven archer sure came a long way
what happens if you subdue the rattle gore since it specifically says summon with - 1 / -1 so would it just die?
came in expecting another total failure from trump laboratory, but actually turned out to be pretty good, good job trump.
That’s was cool!
I thought about saying this for a couple of days and I finally decided to do it.
Trump's "laboratory" decks are usually extremely experimental and depend upon singular cards or a package that *might* work. I like this format and the result is always interesting or, better yet, even working (Libram Paladin) but this niche on whole other level.
I think Pen Flinger is good with Execute as a 3 mana destroy a minion and that's pretty much it. In a aggro meta I could totally see Pen Flinger work but in this upcoming midrange/tempo/omega aggro/control/druid value meta, I just don't see it working at all. I actually impressed how well you did against your opponents but I think it was mostly the other cards carrying PF.
Ps.
(I know I said PF is good against aggro but have you seen *how* aggressive most of the meta aggro decks are? You ain't got no time for 1 mana 1/1 deal 1s)
Got nerfed lol
I stopped playing competitively ages ago, and yet I'm still here...
...so as far as I'm concerned Trump _is_ Hearthstone to me.
Find someone who loves you as much as trump loves magtheridon.
This video is a proof that when you have no weapon left. Pen is an answer
Hey, what is that wonderfuly beautiful music from the beginning?
Trump's addiction to Magtheridon was like mine to Moorabi... sometimes love isn't enough to make a legendary good...
I like pen flinger because it's a better elven archer
You can deal a damage and have it on board or you can keep it on hand safety safety
I like it
Game 2 is why I feel you should always have a one off silence.
27:58 what in tarnation was that trade??? and the plague of flames justification? im dying
What was the music at the beginning? SOMEONE PLEASE
0:17 Stump the Trump
Why does pen flinger sound like a goat?
What's the name of the ending music?
28:00. Playing around plague of flames when the warlock can just hero power to get 4 imps and play it anyways. Missing 12 damage to cost the opponent 2 mana really doesn't seem worth it.
18:09 Why didn't Breath of the Infinite damage any minions? Also Spellburst happens AFTER a spell is cast, so why didn't the Pen Flingers die?
He had a dragon in hand
5:05 trump makes the play of throwing away his first rattle gore and taking 11 if the opponent trades in the 1/3. Then somehow his opponent makes a worse play. What a game
the last game would have ended 3 turns earlier if he didn't have done that hilarious trade at 27:58 lol
I was trying pen in pure paladin it’s been pretty fun
Whoa, pen deactivating pure would seem counter intuitive, but I guess that 3/1 lion could help out. Could I get the list?
27:58 lol he could just hit the button and clear them anyway?
0:48 - advertises a pen flinger deck, what do i see in the opening hand? mag'theridon again xD i said "oh no"
The Nozdorumu had me sweating in the first game lol. I was confident Trump ran out of time. The Rattlegore winning the brawl was beautiful.
wow, pen flinger is amazing in quest rouge.
wouldnt penflinger be good in questshaman with spell discovers and double battlecry
you should build the deck and find out. sounds decent to me.
Quest shaman usually tries to limit how many spells it runs, but maybe...
Is this deck worth crafting or nah
This deck is so cool!
that druid should have traded the warder into the rattlegore before playing overflow
wouldn’t it make sense to run this in paladin with 3 mana draw lowest cost and give +2+2
This video in a nutshell: H E Y L O S E R
27:58 The defeniton of Trump Trading
damn I forgot the name of the music at 0:00 what was it again
The Trump trade into the 1/1 with the 12/12 was...Trump trade. He can plague of flames you by pressing the button and summon 2 imps anyway :D
Loosing an eyeball seems more than a -1 to me.
Infinite 1 mana deal 1? OP OP
"Hey Luthor!"
ever since i got a 1440p monitor RUclips sucks, unless they upload in 1440p it just doesnt look clear lol. Good video though👍
Having just watched Kripp murder opponents on turn 8 with crazy exodia warlock otks where he plays malygos for 0 mana then just throws soulfire and crap at the opponent's face, I'm dubious about this pen flinger thing.
Okay but hear me out: glinda, summoning portal, pen theif, small warlock spell
Wouldn't the pen flinger be better in cyclone mage ?
Cyclone mage has one turn where it uses tons of spells, and it cannot afford spending 1 mana many times that turn so no
It might be good with Edwin.,
Well, they do say that the pen is mightier.