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7:30 Gunta had help from the inside The Germans had up to date info on the state of things such as nets, depth, currents and so on. He was told by Karl that the defences were in a state of neglect. If you want to know more, way more, get the book war beneath the sea Its free on prime and the Alexa app can read it to you
The polishing of the pronunciations of the names of Polish destroyers at 8:08 is the most impressive improvement so far in these new versions of the old episodes. Yes, I checked.
Launched in '36, commissioned in '39. Worth emphasizing how long naval construction took. The US Navy's explosive building capacity from '42 onward is all the more amazing.
I have to say, Stalin's mistrust over Finland's agenda and a possible secret pact with Germany is gravely ironic. I do not remember the exact wording, but there was a saying to the effect that "A thief is more likely to expect others to steal from him". Really applies here...
@@kerryannegarnick1846 a buffer zone? No he didn’t! He took eastern Poland and as you saw earlier episodes he killed them! He didn’t want to liberate the working classes of Europe or the world lol 😂 And also how does stealing Besserabia, the baltics, and of course Karelia “A buffer zone” you clearly saw this episode he demanded a bunch of stuff from Finland which is unacceptable
@@irenaveksler1935 my Great Grandfather literally lived in Byalstok during the Soviet occupation. He was a Jewish man. He was paid more and he was more free to practice his religion under Soviet occupation than under the Polish state! Stalin attacked the Polish bourgeoisie and counterrevolutionaries. Sure "freedom of speech" went away, but frankly to me that is secondary to living standards. And, at least for working Jews, living standards went up under Soviet occupation. But go off on your imperialist propaganda, I guess.
I am glad that my country,Romania,has done so much to help out the poles in this horrible conflict. And I am even more saddened at the darkness that did come over Romania shortly after France was defeated But what I can only hope is that the good will that was present in those days is still present now within the Romanian and Polish diplomatic relations
You do know that the Soviets won the war? So technically the Finns didnt hold them off. Not to diminish the Finnish resistance, but most of the difficulties that the Soviets experienced had to do with inefficient planning, old tanks and the inexperience of the Soviet Army. Basically, the Soviet Army was ass at that point.
Tbh, this held-off is so true that the vast majority of people (including myself recently but still prior to watch this) thinks that the Finns won the Winter-war.
6:35 I think this is incorrect. The first breaking of the naval limits under Versailles was Papen’s naval plan after his Preußenschlag against the SPD in Prussia.
USSR: Hey so we're annexing all you guys now. Poland: wha- Baltics: No we'll just play along don't waste the effort Finland: no USSR: We weren't asking... Finland: no USSR: No we're telling you... Finland: no USSR: Okay well we're just gonna... *invades* Finland: *no*
I can't tell if this guy is talking about Stalin and the Soviet Union or Putin and modern-day Russia??? Maybe Putin is the offspring of Stalin since they're so similar...
USSR attacks Poland: "haha we sure got them mr mustache man they never expected it!" Finland: 👀 USSR looking at Finland: ".....hey now, what are you planning there??!?!!!"
"Finland as a sovereign state has the right to join the nazi side without formally join the nazi state." The quote from Territorial Pissings is the most honest moment of this episode.
I just saw the operation Barbarossa video and now I get a video uploaded yesterday saying Poland fin last surrendered. Even if I wasn’t high I’d be so confused Edit: I understand that this is a reupload
What if Hitler had attacked USSR directly at this point, instead of first taking out France and trying to attack Britain? Would he be able to sell an armistice to the western allies if he attacked USSR?
The French and British might have broken through the Siegfried Line if Hitler had diverted his forces elsewhere. Only a lack of will prevented the French from breaking it in the Saar Offensive, and they didn't have the BEF.
I thought you said in a Sabaton History episode that "Stalin had NO IDEA that the Germans would turn against them and that he ignored his generals that told him otherwise". I am a bit confused now.
@@WorldWarTwo I remember reading somewhere that Stalin believed the betrayal wouldn't come until the collapse of the allies. But I could be wrong on that
Well, it is possible that Stalin wasnt bullshiting the Fins... He had EXTREME paranoia. However, that was never going to work lol. Those were crappy demands. Only mad men would accept that.
Well, in the initial soviet demands there's nothing said about the dismentling of Monerheim defence line, it was added to the list of demands only with the beginning of the war, as well as the Rybaki peninsula was added to the demands only after the beginning of the hostilities as well after the beginning of the war territorial compensations were denied and some other limited territorial claimes were imposed On finland during the war
That would take a lot of effort. I'm holding out for the Korean War, Vietnam War, and Arab-Israeli wars. Indy, Sparty and Astrid are young enough to make it happen.
It was not fine. Presidents/dictaitors of baltics chose not to fight knowing it's pointless. They wanted to spare people not knowing the terror that will come. Russians would kill in the war all the young men and then russificate the lands. + there was no organization between the 3 countirs as these days. President choices are still controversial today. Some say it was logical some say the leaders were cowards
me keza I know, I’m acting a scene! Of course I know the Soviets were brutal to the Baltic people and it wasn’t fine! I was just acting a scene out for fun! Even though we sided with Stalin in WW2, no one forgets that for a while Stalin was Hitlers ally and they were both killing many people but the 2 men had different ideologies, Communism and Fascist Racist Socialist Nationalist Fascism!
@@englishandturkce4513 Russians are not the best at making friends😂.I have heard that turks are quite friendly with russians, those s400 and so. But people opinions in one country can be different. Especially here (in Latvia) depending on generation and family the opinions are different.
Absolutely not - it’s named after August Neidhardt von Gneisenau - the family name, like the ship is pronounced Gnais-eh-now. Some of us are German you know ;-)
It's a shame that some of the Polish air force and army couldn't have gone to Finland to help defend Finland. While they probably wouldn't have been as effective as the Finns ended up being, more resources might have allowed the Finns to stop the Soviets.
Finland and Poland had very little contact with each other at this time period, so for Poles to even think of going to Finland would have only been in full desperation.
@@Lapkonium Baltic Germans ruled longer here than rissians. Also estonians have lived here for thousands of years. With that logic turks should give anatolia back to greece and anericans the whole continent back to native Americans
@@Lapkonium explain that to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Russians that were killed by the USSR. The purges, the killing of the kulaks, the way the men were just thrown into battlefields with no regard for human life. They were shot if they were to be captured or retreated. These were regular Russian men and sometimes women that were victims of those communist pigs ruling their Country. That is what I meant. Russian people were no better off than the people in occupied counties.
The version I was taught ( by a Swedish prof.) was a bit less romantic and a bit heavier on the "the finish politicians completely ignored the advice of their diplomatic teams who found Russia's terms reasonable and recommended accepting the offer, and instead tried to play hardball, so big chance that a lot of people died cause politicians ego,". Not taking merit away from other factors or the concerns of giving in becoming a pattern, but, a perspective I liked to hear abiut
Stalin had his motives on pressing Finland, as he desperately needed to move the border line as far as he could because the Nazis were about to hit hard and Finns would eventually assist.
" Finns would eventually assist." Its ironic because they did assist at the end because of the winter war. Its like Putin nowadays, he's trying to scare others to against NATO, but in the end, he's doing exactly the opposite.
Stalin was right to demand land from Finland. Just look at how they sided with the Nazis! Finland should be happy that Stalin didn't annex them outright because of that!
(Sigh...) I miss the Soviet territories that Stalin offered the Finns as compensation for claimed Finnish territories on a map - the area offered by the Soviets was said to be twice the size of the areas claimed... Why showing only the Soviet claims on the map? Another opportunity for a completely unbiased and balanced narrative missed... Sigh...
You can google Repola and Porajärvi for a map. Finland had tried to annex them during the Russian civil war as they were populated by Finns and Karelians, but had traded them for the Petsamo region in the Tartu peace negotiations. (Petsamo had been promised to Finland by a czar as compensation for annexing some land on the isthmus, but the promise was never delivered on.) The area the Soviet Union offered was larger, but it was (and is) sparsely populated Karelian wilderness.
A question was asked why Stalin's offer hasn't been shown on a map? Like: this is what he wanted, this is what he offered. Where is an excuse for Stalin's actions? Many people are visual learners, myself included.
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7:30 Gunta had help from the inside
The Germans had up to date info on the state of things such as nets, depth, currents and so on.
He was told by Karl that the defences were in a state of neglect.
If you want to know more, way more, get the book war beneath the sea
Its free on prime and the Alexa app can read it to you
@@patrickhenry1249 , I guess
The polishing of the pronunciations of the names of Polish destroyers at 8:08 is the most impressive improvement so far in these new versions of the old episodes. Yes, I checked.
Polishing...I see what you did there.
Why do Polacks suck so much american cock?
"He has a paranoid streak." -Our Host describing Joseph Stalin
3:54 I was just listening at the audio and for a second I thought the Swedish businessman was called Billion Dollars.
Sounds like Dr Evil asking for a financial peace settlement
Launched in '36, commissioned in '39. Worth emphasizing how long naval construction took. The US Navy's explosive building capacity from '42 onward is all the more amazing.
Ah, I'm starting to sense a pattern. Ironic, given this chosen tie
There is a definite pattern on these ties.
The names of the Polish ships were really cool in Polish and in English
The more I learn about this time period and its actors, the more it feels like we are in a very similar situation today.
Absolutely--the world seems to have no shortage of dictators.
When Indy said "If you're Finland, you say 'No!'", I immediately thought of Finland as the Sand Guardian meme.
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I have to say, Stalin's mistrust over Finland's agenda and a possible secret pact with Germany is gravely ironic. I do not remember the exact wording, but there was a saying to the effect that "A thief is more likely to expect others to steal from him". Really applies here...
Stalin is no thief! He is the immortal comrade and the Captain of the USSR!
@@kerryannegarnick1846he is a thief
He wants to steal land
@@irenaveksler1935 No! He wanted a buffer zone between Russia and Germany! And he also wanted to liberate the working classes of the entire world.
@@kerryannegarnick1846 a buffer zone? No he didn’t!
He took eastern Poland and as you saw earlier episodes he killed them!
He didn’t want to liberate the working classes of Europe or the world lol 😂
And also how does stealing Besserabia, the baltics, and of course Karelia “A buffer zone” you clearly saw this episode he demanded a bunch of stuff from Finland which is unacceptable
@@irenaveksler1935 my Great Grandfather literally lived in Byalstok during the Soviet occupation. He was a Jewish man. He was paid more and he was more free to practice his religion under Soviet occupation than under the Polish state! Stalin attacked the Polish bourgeoisie and counterrevolutionaries. Sure "freedom of speech" went away, but frankly to me that is secondary to living standards. And, at least for working Jews, living standards went up under Soviet occupation. But go off on your imperialist propaganda, I guess.
Thank you for doing these videos, I hope one day there are physical copies I can buy.
Stalin finds something suspicious? How uncharacteristic of the despot!
Particularly good episode.. as always
I am glad that my country,Romania,has done so much to help out the poles in this horrible conflict. And I am even more saddened at the darkness that did come over Romania shortly after France was defeated
But what I can only hope is that the good will that was present in those days is still present now within the Romanian and Polish diplomatic relations
Still blows my mind the Finnish held off the russians.
Tough bois
Simo hayha 👏
You do know that the Soviets won the war? So technically the Finns didnt hold them off.
Not to diminish the Finnish resistance, but most of the difficulties that the Soviets experienced had to do with inefficient planning, old tanks and the inexperience of the Soviet Army. Basically, the Soviet Army was ass at that point.
@@DonHakait's not Finnish fault that russians are dumb.
Tbh, this held-off is so true that the vast majority of people (including myself recently but still prior to watch this) thinks that the Finns won the Winter-war.
You have to give credit to Finland to not give into the USSR. ❤
“Just because your paranoid dosent mean people arent after you” great nirvana reference either intentional or not loo
6:35 I think this is incorrect. The first breaking of the naval limits under Versailles was Papen’s naval plan after his Preußenschlag against the SPD in Prussia.
USSR: Hey so we're annexing all you guys now.
Poland: wha-
Baltics: No we'll just play along don't waste the effort
Finland: no
USSR: We weren't asking...
Finland: no
USSR: No we're telling you...
Finland: no
USSR: Okay well we're just gonna... *invades*
Finland: *no*
Simo Hiya then gets plenty of target practice.
Finns: masters of diplomacy😓
😂😂😂 best comment to date. ❤
I can't tell if this guy is talking about Stalin and the Soviet Union or Putin and modern-day Russia??? Maybe Putin is the offspring of Stalin since they're so similar...
brainrot, putin has zero antifascism in his blood or his actions unlike the soviet union (regardless of what we think about them)
Yeah, I feel like it's literally 1939 calling...☎
wow how do you get all these info mad respect
Background music far to high!
This is so topical now.
What are these older episodes? What I missed?
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What happened to the Polish Army and government in exile after the Nazis made their way through Romania?
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I would have thought with episode 007, there would be a mentioning of Duško Popov...😄
USSR attacks Poland: "haha we sure got them mr mustache man they never expected it!"
Finland: 👀
USSR looking at Finland: ".....hey now, what are you planning there??!?!!!"
😂😂Way to quote Nirvana! Pretty appropriate when it comes to Stalin.
Also for Kurt.
1:42 hope to hear about there exploits.
6:44-6:47 he shares a birthday with me, April 24th.
6:53 I'm reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and they also wanted to secure iron ore.
still cant figure out who is on the other side of that phone
The world may never know!
Trying to locate Task Force 34
9:49 'Just because you're paranoid dosen't mean people aren't after you' - is this a Nirvana refrence?!? :D (Territorial Pissings)
"Finland as a sovereign state has the right to join the nazi side without formally join the nazi state."
The quote from Territorial Pissings is the most honest moment of this episode.
I just saw the operation Barbarossa video and now I get a video uploaded yesterday saying Poland fin last surrendered. Even if I wasn’t high I’d be so confused
Edit: I understand that this is a reupload
It's ok, many of the German soldiers were high as well.
A business man named Billion Dollars?
For the Algorithm!
25k is just a number, none counted real number. There were more than that transported to Baltic countries
It is heating up. I don't know how long Hitler will wait to attack France. Will it be a Winter Offensive in 1939 or 1940?
What if Hitler had attacked USSR directly at this point, instead of first taking out France and trying to attack Britain?
Would he be able to sell an armistice to the western allies if he attacked USSR?
I dont think he will ever attack the USSR the axis will stay strong
The French and British might have broken through the Siegfried Line if Hitler had diverted his forces elsewhere. Only a lack of will prevented the French from breaking it in the Saar Offensive, and they didn't have the BEF.
"What if... " does not exist in history only "It is..."
@@johndewitte Yes its only a theoretical thought-experiment🙄
@@Uberdude6666 OK, I understand 😊
i feel like the "treaty of versailles" should've been explained more in this episode
We've just uploaded a video on timeghost on the subject: ruclips.net/video/TWluQNNe3J0/видео.html
@@WorldWarTwo um, wow! thanks!
I thought you said in a Sabaton History episode that "Stalin had NO IDEA that the Germans would turn against them and that he ignored his generals that told him otherwise". I am a bit confused now.
A question of when… he was convinced that it wasn’t going to happen in 1941. The year is the crucial part…
@@WorldWarTwo I remember reading somewhere that Stalin believed the betrayal wouldn't come until the collapse of the allies.
But I could be wrong on that
Well, it is possible that Stalin wasnt bullshiting the Fins... He had EXTREME paranoia. However, that was never going to work lol. Those were crappy demands. Only mad men would accept that.
Well, in the initial soviet demands there's nothing said about the dismentling of Monerheim defence line, it was added to the list of demands only with the beginning of the war, as well as the Rybaki peninsula was added to the demands only after the beginning of the hostilities as well after the beginning of the war territorial compensations were denied and some other limited territorial claimes were imposed On finland during the war
I wish you guys could re-do The Great War
Why it’s perfect
That would take a lot of effort. I'm holding out for the Korean War, Vietnam War, and Arab-Israeli wars. Indy, Sparty and Astrid are young enough to make it happen.
Could you explain how the war is financed and is it true that germany got the oil from the usa ?
Thank you
Did LOT's Wife Get Out Too?
9:48 Kurt Cobain has entered the chat
own Poland, Own France, Own USSR..... PROFIT
Soviet Union: Come hear into my grasp, you new Baltic Ballon SSRs!
Baltic States: Ugh fine!
It was not fine. Presidents/dictaitors of baltics chose not to fight knowing it's pointless. They wanted to spare people not knowing the terror that will come. Russians would kill in the war all the young men and then russificate the lands. + there was no organization between the 3 countirs as these days. President choices are still controversial today. Some say it was logical some say the leaders were cowards
me keza
I know, I’m acting a scene! Of course I know the Soviets were brutal to the Baltic people and it wasn’t fine! I was just acting a scene out for fun! Even though we sided with Stalin in WW2, no one forgets that for a while Stalin was Hitlers ally and they were both killing many people but the 2 men had different ideologies, Communism and Fascist Racist Socialist Nationalist Fascism!
me keza
Same here from Turkey! Russo-Turkish Wars 🇹🇷 😡 🇷🇺
@@englishandturkce4513 Russians are not the best at making friends😂.I have heard that turks are quite friendly with russians, those s400 and so. But people opinions in one country can be different. Especially here (in Latvia) depending on generation and family the opinions are different.
me keza true
6:12, the G in Gneisenau is silent
Absolutely not - it’s named after August Neidhardt von Gneisenau - the family name, like the ship is pronounced Gnais-eh-now. Some of us are German you know ;-)
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somigli al padre di veronica ma non sò il nome.
It's a shame that some of the Polish air force and army couldn't have gone to Finland to help defend Finland. While they probably wouldn't have been as effective as the Finns ended up being, more resources might have allowed the Finns to stop the Soviets.
Finland and Poland had very little contact with each other at this time period, so for Poles to even think of going to Finland would have only been in full desperation.
Will never forget and never forgive Russians for annexing Baltic states for 50 years.
@@Lapkonium I meant since independance in 1918, but yes in total 300
@@Lapkonium Baltic Germans ruled longer here than rissians. Also estonians have lived here for thousands of years. With that logic turks should give anatolia back to greece and anericans the whole continent back to native Americans
It was the horrible communist officials, not the Russian people. They suffered through it too.
@@Lapkonium explain that to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Russians that were killed by the USSR. The purges, the killing of the kulaks, the way the men were just thrown into battlefields with no regard for human life. They were shot if they were to be captured or retreated.
These were regular Russian men and sometimes women that were victims of those communist pigs ruling their Country. That is what I meant. Russian people were no better off than the people in occupied counties.
The version I was taught ( by a Swedish prof.) was a bit less romantic and a bit heavier on the "the finish politicians completely ignored the advice of their diplomatic teams who found Russia's terms reasonable and recommended accepting the offer, and instead tried to play hardball, so big chance that a lot of people died cause politicians ego,". Not taking merit away from other factors or the concerns of giving in becoming a pattern, but, a perspective I liked to hear abiut
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The phony war
Lol, so German appeasement is bad but Stalin is reasonable in Finnland, got it
Why World War Two episodes need so-called "improvements" is beyond me.
I am impressed that their commitment to excellence means that they will spend time and money redoing these episodes.
Stalin was a terrible dictator. My grandfather told me how Stalin personally shot him and then ate
@Stephen Jenkins but most terrible dictators always shoot everyone personally
@Stephen Jenkins few people know, but Stalin had a time machine for this
@Stephen Jenkins no. Stalin stole it from Hitler when shot all Russian scientists
He ate your grandpa?
video #9
Stalin had his motives on pressing Finland, as he desperately needed to move the border line as far as he could because the Nazis were about to hit hard and Finns would eventually assist.
Was there any chance of Finns going against Nazis? I mean, what would make them
" Finns would eventually assist."
Its ironic because they did assist at the end because of the winter war. Its like Putin nowadays, he's trying to scare others to against NATO, but in the end, he's doing exactly the opposite.
Arrrg more repeats than the bbc
Stalin was right to demand land from Finland. Just look at how they sided with the Nazis! Finland should be happy that Stalin didn't annex them outright because of that!
Finland was only associated with the Axis because they were already at war with Russia
(Sigh...) I miss the Soviet territories that Stalin offered the Finns as compensation for claimed Finnish territories on a map - the area offered by the Soviets was said to be twice the size of the areas claimed... Why showing only the Soviet claims on the map? Another opportunity for a completely unbiased and balanced narrative missed... Sigh...
You can google Repola and Porajärvi for a map. Finland had tried to annex them during the Russian civil war as they were populated by Finns and Karelians, but had traded them for the Petsamo region in the Tartu peace negotiations. (Petsamo had been promised to Finland by a czar as compensation for annexing some land on the isthmus, but the promise was never delivered on.) The area the Soviet Union offered was larger, but it was (and is) sparsely populated Karelian wilderness.
Why was my comment deleted?
stop making excuses for evil regime of Stalin
A question was asked why Stalin's offer hasn't been shown on a map? Like: this is what he wanted, this is what he offered. Where is an excuse for Stalin's actions? Many people are visual learners, myself included.
@@Aakkosti Good to know. Thanks!
October 39 is when my grandfather volunteered for the Australian army. Next stop Egypt.