Will this spill my drink?
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- Опубликовано: 25 май 2020
- I needed a place to put my drink on Onewheel rides so I made a gimbal cup holder.
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Is it practical? Does it work? Who cares! Haha 😄 I had a blast on this one.
Also try using dampers in some way to make the reaction from the soda less violent
A can of pop or a can of beer at the same volume will weigh about the same. Mostly water and that is about a gram per mill (1 liter = 1 kg). Average can is 355ml so about .335kg plus the metal. Also as the liquid gets consumed the level goes down and the Z axis will not be needed as much.
you need suspension on that
just add a pop top to the can, it would seal it and keep the splashes in
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Fun stuff!! From here it's either a fully motorized active gimbal with inertial measurement... or printing a sippy cup lid.
Haha very true🤣
I've fallen down the Tyler Bell rabbit hole today. I've watched like 5 of your videos. Great work, keep it up!
Thank you so much!
@@TylerBellMakes Me too! I have a very strong feeling your channel is gonna blow up within a year and im happy that I can say I´ve been here at 31k subs.
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yeah me too
Oh man I hope you keep upping the game on this on. Next time you need to get some stabilizing motors in there so it self levels! Pop an Arduino on etc... Nice shirt BTW 😉
Copper tubes and magnets to slow the can
I feel like all of this could be avoided by just drinking from a bottle instead of an open can.
Metal cans for drinks are generally a dumb thing, especially if it's just water or a soft drink that has little requirements regarding preservation.
@@graealex It is technically more easily recyclable then plastic though, which is good.
Still can't put it anywhere
@@FoxDog1080 your hand, pocket, backpack, purse, down your pants.
Dude, an opened bottle could go damn near anywhere, cuz you can just put the lid back on.
But where's the fun in that
Maybe a stationary counter weight at the bottom of the “gimbal gage” could help
At first, I thought a counter weight too but it would probably give more momentum leading to the flipping upside down more often.
@@Shoothebird a second weight attached to the bottom of the drink holder would counteract all movement of the bottle, but would change depending on the bottle weight
On the 2 axis there isn't any resistance to changes in direction from the road and the sloshing of your drink. I'd like too see a ver 2 of this though, give the 2 axis a return spring and a dampener and you should see a better result.
The shock absorbers would definitely help as would a simple elastic string limiting the bottom. But, is it practical? Heck no but, that doesn't mean it isn't cool!
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A cup in a gimbal is a two-axis pendulum. When the CG is near the pivot, the pendulum is short and swings very quickly. When the CG is far away from the pivot, the pendulum is longer and takes more time to swing. When the mass centered around the CG is greater, the pendulum slows further still.
Angular momentum, rotational moment, and inertia are the main concepts at play.
Same thoughts but your wording was far more intelligent lol
A rubber band around it all would probably keep it from swinging too far. Some spring effect. Though I think it would be cool to see that weight as a large magnet and have a magnet in the base that it’s attracted to. Maybe it will be attracted to the one wheel already
Maybe a little more resistance in the pivot points?
Dude, you are the best!!!
Thanks buddy!
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3:46 third axes would actually be in the center vertically, so it would just spin around it's center and it actually wouldn't do too much. Or maybe it was intentional to say that up and down motion, bc it makes more sense (as you said it would have to be different for every drink, but it would make sense more than just spinning the can)
I would think just some tiny shock absorbers (like from an RC car) would reduce the amount of swing. I think the weight just adds to that. Also, it was really cool to see that steel encapsulated in the 3D print. What slicer did you use?
Good idea! Cura
Tyler Bell thanks, I use Cura too, but I’m just getting into it. I’d like to make knobs where I can encapsulate a 1/4-20 nut so I’ll have to look into how to get it to pause at the right point.
The key would be some sort of damping to slow down the swings not just limit them or store energy like in a spring. Maybe some drag on the pivot points could calm things down.
Love this content, came from your Instagram! You've gained a subscriber today, keep making great onewheel and 3D printing content!
"Ey man my feet are parched, give me your electric wheeled foot hydrator."
I can't believe you have 22k subscribers... The quality of your videos is just insane and your projects are so cool everytime! Greetings from Germany
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Hot DIggity!! That was super fun to watch, I loved the way you used the soldering iron with the brass inserts. So simple, yet so clever.
Also if I ever get a Onewheel, we'll have to go on a ride :)
Haha yehaw! Thanks bud. Looking forward to that ride!
Hahaha this was a fun one! Thoroughly enjoyed the story line. We think the next obvious step is to get a microcontroller and servos to auto correct the swing from the gyro motion😄.
Love it lol.
you deserve way more subs, the quality of these videos is amazing!
Fun project! 🛠️👍😁
you do need to create a soft suspension on the Z axis on the pillars that support the gyroscopic holder, but make sure its sturdy enough to prevent bending
Such a fun idea.... That will work! I love it! Fork holder next? Great job!
Haha thanks Stu!
An idea worth further investigation, could be of great benefit to beer drinkers 🍺
I thought about buying or making a steadicam type jigger to mount on the ride on mower so i could enjoy an ale while mowing. Maybe you could do the experiments for us.
Enjoy your channel Tyler👍 Cheers from Tasmania
How have I just now found this channel? I love it!
DUDE! Just started watching but I had to look for it. I was SURE I was subscribed to you... also pretty surprised this has less than 400 views 🙀🤷🏻♂️
Or you could, now here me out, put in something with a lid. A little crazy I know but I think it might work.
haha my thoughts exactly
But that's so much worrrkkk
Did you just invent lids? 🤯
I learned this from mowing the lawn on a riding mower with a cupholder... the vibration will make your carbonated beverage go flat before it gets warm...
Fun video!
Nicely done and documented.
I thought of this a few months ago while ridding with a coffee. As I was watching your video I was like dang that’s exactly what I thought and when you came to the problem with the can not being able to go up and down I was like shocks use rc car shocks. Great video.
Damping damping damping!
You really should try adding a rotational damper!
That should keep it from overshooting on sharp turns.
Awesome stuff Tyler! 😃👍🏻👊🏻 ....I wonder what kind of shots you could get mounting a camera and stabilizer to the onewheel? 🤔📷 ..... Also curious to see how a helmet mounted drink stabilizer would work out! 😁
Thanks Fred! Interesting🤔
Great thought process!
Thank you!
I like what some people have been saying about using motors to stabilize it. I think one problem right now is that the weight does give the gimbal a lower center of gravity and it does help it return to center, but it doesn't control how violently the cup will move. Stabilizing motors would definitely help, or you could try adding some resistance springs in the joints?
Because right now, if the cup swings one way, as it returns to center, it's momentum will still carry it in the opposite direction since nothing actually slows it down. So if you added springs or counter torques to slow the movement across the axis as the gimbal returns to center, it would help mitigate the movement, so you don't have as much oscillating movement that just goes back and forth non stop.
I think having the center of rotation above the can would help, in all anti spill gimbal designs, the can is always pretty far below the center of rotation, however this adds a lot of height to the gimbal.
How about adding a fast spinning gyro/fly wheel to counteract the changing forces while driving?
The strong magnet idea is a good shot, it would provide a restoring force, effectively damping the motion. You already have the steel there so as long as its the right type you don't even need to change the cup.
Since there's already a big chunk of steel in the holder it would be easy to add some magnets to the fender side to help keep it upright and not swing so wildly. Might have to experiment with different configurations or strengths but it should help.
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Also I wanted to say with the rigid mounted cupholder they make caps you can put on cans and a little mouth thing slides out so you can drink it still.that are like five dollars and if you bought one of those the rigid way would totally work.
Try coming up with and printing a small, lightweight lid to fit universally on the cans? It’d be pocket sized, cheap, replaceable and then you could use the hard mount without an issue
I suggest 2 magnets directly centre underneath the can holder and the top dead centre to make resistance to slow down the gimbal effect on the drink.
Probably way too late to consider doing it but if you had replaced the piece of steel with a block of copper or aluminium and put a nice sized rare earth magnet under the gimbal you could use the eddy currents as a passive damper.
Man now I want a one wheel
the problem is that the surface of the liquid is above the pivot so the liquid above the pivot is being forced opposite of the movment of the can
you culd also add some friction mounts in to dampen the rotation and a shock mount in the base
Love the vid man what helmet is that it’s really dope!
Try adding some neoprene washers between the gyros. Your issue isn’t mass, it’s dampening oscillations. The neoprene washers should help slow down those unwanted oscillations.
you could have printed some of those parts sideways to use waaaayyy less support material
Fun to experiment, even if you didn't come up with the perfect solution....yet. ;)
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Okay the squares of plywood on the bottoms of the little bottles is God damn genius 🤙 idk how I got here but I'm definetly subbed 😂👌
You should add an inertia dampener like a set of magnets between the base and the holder, if you ever pick this project up again.
Your background music sounds like something from Limozeen haha. i haven't thought about doot doots or hey heys in a long time
Might work better if the can sits lower in relation to the pivot points and possibly add something to add a bit of friction or resistance so the pivots a little slower
Maybe to help try putting springs on the stands like u said bc I think it’s possible that there’s a lot of kinetic energy that’s being absorbed and shaking the cup
Run a bungie cord from the base of the cup to the fender mount? That could give it some play but restrict it from going upside-down.
I see a bunch of comments saying to add magnets but I’m not too sure that would work, you would need something to lower the CG and/or something to absorb the KE from high acceleration such as turning. I’m not too sure if it would work but creating a Z plane movement as well as springs or some form of resistance to reduce the acceleration of the can while moving.
Adding a counterbalancing weight rather than just adding more weight might work, by adding more weight and having the can inside it, the inertia would change obviously; however, it doesn’t do anything to benefit the gyroscope, if the weight could be added in opposite rotation of the can to counterbalance it then it should work more efficiently
Fell into a bit of a rabbit hole , prolly gonna watch all the videos binge style , my question is , what was that brass melty fastener thing ... I thought they were set screws, then I saw a soldering iron type thing to melt em and it threw me off ... I could prolly google it , but I doubt “brass melty soldering iron thingy” will pull much up
Hey! I love the video! I know this is kind of an old one but do you think you could put the STL files online? I'd love to make this!
What camera are you using? Your shots looks beautiful
Rocking the Alm Fab shirt! 👍🏽
We came up with drink holders for our one wheels like a year ago
if the pivot points were above the rim of the can it would be better . you would have to slot the sides to make sure you can pick the can out
you deserve 1,000,000,000 subs your a damm genius!!
I think adding a single rubber band to the bottom would solve the flipping over problem, sick video 👍🏼
You really needed before & after weights to quantify spillage. Most of the spillage is due to vertical shocks. And as you drink, the surface is farther from the hole, making it less susceptible to spillage. So, your shock absorber could be a simple elastic suspension, tuned to be most effective for the starting weight.
The only way I see this working is a system like a stabilizing camera gimbal where the can never moved in orientation despite the angle of the wheel.
If it was me I'd probably be safer with the soda can controlling the one wheel, and putting myself in the gimble. :) Thanks for the video!
Hahaha! Thanks Tor😁
I think one thing you didn't consider is the resonate frequency of the swing while you are riding.
big brain moment
It really needs some kind fo dampingso that the further it swings, the slower it goes. The bungee cord idea might be worth looking into
Did you try having the two holding points facing the other way so the holding points would be facing out instead of inline with your legs. Not sure if it would do anything or not
Ideally the can shouldn't move at all. I think one possible problem could be too much friction at the pivot points transferring the motion from the gimbals to the cup.
Would be interesting to print one for large hydroflasks or make a fender with a storage built in for charger.
Tyler, how are you liking your onewheel? I’m on the edge on if I should get one myself
Totally worth it! Love it
Nice!!
You need to include some sort of damping to stop the inertia of the large mass when it’s in motion. You’ve used Newton first law to help keep the cup at rest but you forgot that when it’s in motion it will stay in that motion and take longer to come to rest with a larger mass.
I think adding resistance to movement would help... Like a shock absorber
Too much resistance on the pivots, using bearings or some kind of lubricant will keep it from catching and swinging
Is it any more effective than a solid mount
My man said... Wa-La.... XD oh boy.
What brand is that fender?
Imagine a vehicle solely designed as a cup holder
I think the magnet and bunjee woulda worked wonders. Or even just a string that wouldn’t allow it to go past 90°
Hmm... maybe a... BOTTLE!! ☝️😂
Bro makes better content then the backyardscientist
These don’t work unless the axis of rotation is above the cup. If its inside then the top water doesn’t get its shockabsorbed.
Where did you get all of these tools? you have a dream workshop
Is that the bpa trail?
I need to have those 3d printers at home...
I don't have a one wheel, and don't think I ever will. I still loved the project though!
I appreciate it!!
this guy's really fun to watch, keep it up man, doesn't have to work for it to be entertaining, but just for the sake of it, what if the pivot point was way ABOVE the actual body of the can? would that no make for a more stable grip? I mean a taller holder, in which the can goes deeper, might be tricky to design in such a way that extracting the can from the contraption won't be too much toruble, but that aside it would (i imagine) work
Lids. Plastic lids are already a thing for cans. Kind of a gimmick so you can save it for later without it going flat, but it would solve all your splashing problems and allow you to make it simpler.
Just wondering would having a magnet at the bottom stabilize it at all
Man, don't worry about spilling the drink. It'll be full again by the time you get off those gravel roads.
That limit strap seems like it might work
Awesome.
Needs some springs and maybe weak dampers and it’s perfect
I see what the issue is here, im sure you figured it out by now. but, if you made the can sit lower in the bucketwith the rim of the can below the pivot the top of the can wouldnt wave all over the place. and the whole thing would work better.
Or the ultimate fix.... Use a bottle with a cap 🤣🤣🤣🤣