Tbh I'm perfectly fine with Degenbrecher powercreeping. What I don't like is how uncreative her skill is. It is literally Ch'en S3 but like 10x better, and it makes Irene S3 almost irrelevant. They could've at least been a bit more creative with her skill design.
the only take that matters ngl degenbrecher is the only recent release i have a problem with, like at least wizadel does something unique. if mlynar stepped on SA's toes, then degen is about to hydraulic press chens entire leg
Man, being a carbon copy of Irene and Ch’en’s skills, while having auto recovery, while having the best of both skills with I-frames and hitting aerial, *while* having the better CC *WHILE* also dealing like 25-30% more damage than them and scaling better in any situation is incredibly disappointing. Wishadel is really strong powercreep, but Degen bothers me more with her lazy kit design. At least Zuo Le who has better Hellagur S2 also has a unique S3 and a nice approach to the Musha archetype.
Same here. With so many delete button options I barely care about meta or powercreep anymore. I pull whoever is hot regardless if theyre meta or not.. I mean my next target after Degen is Ascalon which 99% people told to skip so that shud at least tell how much I care about meta lol
Yeah, that is not even a competition Degen powercrep both of them She's aoe, does more damage than both of them ,her gimmick of making enemies unable to attack is more useful than levitate or questionable sp battery And her s3 is auto recovery, only chen can compare in this thanks to her tallent with module making her s3 recharge in 45 seconds
Genuinely hate how uncreative Degen is, just damage, steals the 2 niches Irene and Ch'en had with aerial and I-frames respectively, and stops enemies from attacking, just cause. Meanwhile, she also gets to be the only one that has auto recovery in her entire archetype. This has to be the most easy pick banner in my life, Zuo Le and Shu are my targets cause their kits are at least creative even if busted.
@@jillstingray8828 My guy she already deal damage to aerial enemies by making ground enemies levitate and that still doesn't enough. Because Degen deal 170% ATK with talent, 235% ATK with S3 and 330% ATK at end of skill despite ignore 25% less DEF than Irene.
Chen, chase the same target until die, 10 hit Irene, 1 then random 10 hit Degen EVERYONE 10 HIT EQUALLY even single target still better damage than those 2 THIS IS BS
Degen is the most boring design for a 6* operator in at least a year. They removed the archetype weakness and gave her skills that spot on the previous characters. Unless Irene gets a new module, she’s a straight downgrade to Degen. Art design is pretty but they did Irene especially dirty. At least Ch’en has the sp recovery niche.
Tiene sentido que sea la más fuerte. Una es la líder de un escuadrón de policía (Chen). La otra es una inquisidora novicia (Irene). Y ella (degenbrech) es la 3 veces campeona del torneo de caballeros en kazimierz...
if you lack meta operators or really like her design sure, but if not it’s better to save up for limited banners cuz nowadays almost every new operator can hit big numbers (plus there’s still a chance to get her in the limited banner)
There's so many good ops in a row that you'll really have to decide. Degen is EZ mode delete meta, but not super unique or fun Ray is somewhat-finicky boss-sniper/cross-map sniper, meta, unique, fun, but a bit hard to use Shu and Zuo Le, Shu is meta and has both easy and harder uses but really nice period. Zuo Le is fairly strong skill spam, kinda like Degen but a bit less OP and a bit more unique Ela is the new standard for what a fast sniper should be, high DpS, high total damage, minor CC, not affected too much by low-med armor. Not fundamentally super unique though. She'll be hard to pull later since it's a collab limited banner, might be a long time before we see them again. Ascalon is pretty unique and has useful CC effects but is not nearly as strong as the rest here. Less replacable than the more generic ones though. Those two you might want to skip if you're low on pulls though, because next is: Wis and Logos, well LOL better hard pull for both really. Logos sets the new standard for casters while providing the strongest arts output combo with Qiubai S3, and Wis is, well, Wis.
Relistically, I doubt that Even if Irene some how got 80 atk base stats module (the highest amount for Swordmaster rn, which belong to ch'en module) and they upgrade her talent to 75% def ignore... it would still not enough Again 0 def enimies : Irene deal 28350 dmg, while Degen deal 36834 dmg, more than 8kdmg different Again 1500 def enemies (which is realy high already), ... Degen still win, Irene deal 22987 dmg while Degen deal 23222 dmg Enemies with higher stats than this tend to have greater weight, so less dmg for Irene This is not factor others unities Degen has and how easy she can be set up So in conclusion, Irene is just dead Edit : forgot the 10% dmg bonus in the 1500 def part
@@Hoshiyomi-w-Irene is not dead mate, there are still use cases for her. In IS her attack recovery and 20% less SP requirement for S3 gives her miles worth more damage potential than degenbrecher. For daily content, degenbrecher is obviously better, but Irene will still be much more flexible in IS. Let's never forget that IS basically becomes half the game for endgame players.
@@radornic2387 no she not lol mate. Irene other half of the 2nd talent ONLY work on IS3, and in IS3 alone. We have 2 (soon to be 3) other IS incase you forgot. Without the seaborn, she need 27s just to use her skill ( 23s if there is seaborn). Now you know what funny ? She only get that sp when she ALWAYS attacking, which mean if you dont constantly feed her enemies to atk, her CD is always higher than Degen. And in the situation she does ? In difficulty 15, if your name is not Mlynar, enemies will murder you by the sheer stats boost, so an OP that have to constantly putting herself in danger like Irene will never get those skill. Oh you talking about dmg potention ? Degen deal 50% more total dmg than her. Yes, it is 50%, that one and a half of Irene, while also scaling much more than her with buff, has untargetable during s3 unlike Irene, has disarm so she can keep herself save, all while having auto regen so she is less risky to use. You seem to not understand just how impactful auto-regen is, and how atk-recovery hurt an OP
@@Hoshiyomi-w- Are you daft mate? Attack recovery dominates IS because of the uncapped ASPD potential brought by collectibles as opposed to auto recovery boosting collectibles? Paragraphs of yapping to miss something this simple 🤦 Attack recovery skills are highly valueds above recovery in every instance of IS. They are highly spammable and have the most damage potential out of everything. I've +15'd both IS3 and IS4, how about you go actually play IS before you start talking because you talk like someone who hasn't touched it past IS2. That or learn how to speak without sounding like a condescending snob.
Degen is the most boring example of powercreep in the game. Her s3 just has auto recovery and has every good part of chen and irenes kits without the downsides. Like atleast wisadel has a cool nuke
@user-pn9il8gr4b Honestly Młynar is kinda meh, cause you have to play around his off-skill and enemy waves. Walter would have been alright if she didn't hit air, still beyond broken, meanwhile Degen is just straight up uncreative bland numbers with everything that made the previous Swordmasters interesting
@@diobrando4024 Yep, Irene dedge. She also has Ch'en's invulnerability, but somehow still blocks unlike Ch'en. At least Ch'en has a minor SP battery to rely on, Irene has literally nothing now. I used to joke that she'd still have her 5head and base skill but now Logos took the latter from her...
well that tends to happen when you already have two 6* units that are loved by the community and then release another 6* that makes them completely obsolete. i mean at least chen has her battery but irene..?
@@durian1600 eh not really she is just a slightly different variant of brain dead. She requires less management too. her ye ye ass clothes don’t change that either much either. They could have made her interesting by making her require summon management during her off skill but no hell the things don’t really die either.
@@durian1600Well, she ain’t firing guns. Honestly all sword people have boring kits. Even Irene with her hand cannon can only levitate and have a larger AOE than Cutter.
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and the winner is cutter!!!!
Cutter is cuter!
Bibeak S1 shall never lose!
Tachanka
@@januszpolak254there is one impostor among swordmasters
@slonik0002 finally, some bibeak s1 recognition
everyone: you should skip standard operators for broken limiteds
the standard operators:
My honest reaction when Surtr, Mlynar and more of those examples are in standard banners
My honest Walter reaction:
Wisadel chalter texas alter yato alter shu skalter nearl alter and ela would laugh at your face
@@kyarumomochi5146 there is a fraud in that list
Wiš'Adel like: the enemies don't even see me haha
Just a reminder that Degen skill also doesn't have offensive recovery and it's only in entire archetype that do so :)
Tbh I'm perfectly fine with Degenbrecher powercreeping. What I don't like is how uncreative her skill is. It is literally Ch'en S3 but like 10x better, and it makes Irene S3 almost irrelevant. They could've at least been a bit more creative with her skill design.
It has the pulling towards her. HG ticked the creative box ✅🤣
the only take that matters ngl
degenbrecher is the only recent release i have a problem with, like at least wizadel does something unique. if mlynar stepped on SA's toes, then degen is about to hydraulic press chens entire leg
@@AuroraenI wouldn't call Wis'adel unique imo xd, she's just layers over layers of dmg, like some sort of Mlynar, adorned with the ammo mechanic
@@vdeverguetta8958 She just won't be targeted with her summons it's so busted. The new Izumik counter.
Her S3 is combination of Irene's true aoe and Chen's final burst on top of auto recovery skill
Chen : for single enemy
Irene : for swarm
Degenbrecher : just use her anywhere bruh
Edit: what have I done
She is busted as hell, i don't even know why she is a swordmaster if she ignore the main mechanic of swordmaster haha
@@kurotsuki12 isnt that just the same for Wis'Adel
Well Irene is better against high def enemies, you can see she dealed more damage to Patriot than Chen
@@bimchik Except Degen still deals more damage at 2k DEF and Tremble is more reliable of a DEF ignore than Levitate
@@slonik0002 well obviously
Man, being a carbon copy of Irene and Ch’en’s skills, while having auto recovery, while having the best of both skills with I-frames and hitting aerial, *while* having the better CC *WHILE* also dealing like 25-30% more damage than them and scaling better in any situation is incredibly disappointing. Wishadel is really strong powercreep, but Degen bothers me more with her lazy kit design. At least Zuo Le who has better Hellagur S2 also has a unique S3 and a nice approach to the Musha archetype.
“You’re building Degen cuz Powercreep. I’m building Degen cuz she’s hot. We’re not the same.”
Same here. With so many delete button options I barely care about meta or powercreep anymore. I pull whoever is hot regardless if theyre meta or not.. I mean my next target after Degen is Ascalon which 99% people told to skip so that shud at least tell how much I care about meta lol
I'm building Degen to see her get revenge on herself (I still hate her as a boss)
@@ra6765 same. I only pull for the character that has good art design and if I like the VA. There are just too many delete buttons we can choose.
@@ra6765 Bro same. Ascalon was of the NPC’s I wanted playable. Thank you HG. You did a good this time.
Yeah, that is not even a competition
Degen powercrep both of them
She's aoe, does more damage than both of them ,her gimmick of making enemies unable to attack is more useful than levitate or questionable sp battery
And her s3 is auto recovery, only chen can compare in this thanks to her tallent with module making her s3 recharge in 45 seconds
I will still use Irene no matter what 😤
Genuinely hate how uncreative Degen is, just damage, steals the 2 niches Irene and Ch'en had with aerial and I-frames respectively, and stops enemies from attacking, just cause. Meanwhile, she also gets to be the only one that has auto recovery in her entire archetype.
This has to be the most easy pick banner in my life, Zuo Le and Shu are my targets cause their kits are at least creative even if busted.
Powercreep hits really hard
a yes, because damage is all that matters
@@jillstingray8828 In this case it does. Damage is all they do except Ch'en.
@@januszpolak254 are we forgetting Irene's talent that makes her better vs aerial enemies? or... the levitate part?
@@jillstingray8828 And tell me how many times those gimmicks are even relevant ?
@@jillstingray8828 My guy she already deal damage to aerial enemies by making ground enemies levitate and that still doesn't enough. Because Degen deal 170% ATK with talent, 235% ATK with S3 and 330% ATK at end of skill despite ignore 25% less DEF than Irene.
*Tachanka* with full army: You are lucky i was here, yeah?
Meanwhile, all I want is Ela and Shu. I like creative kits so much more
And also Ela (and all Team Rainbow squad) is/are True Limited
어떻게 둘 합친거보다 하나가 더쎔
so hypergryph can make money!!!
거기다가 자동회복에 범위기 ㄸ
Year one OPs be like... my poor Chen 🥲
Chen, chase the same target until die, 10 hit
Irene, 1 then random 10 hit
Degen EVERYONE 10 HIT EQUALLY even single target still better damage than those 2
THIS IS BS
And auto-recovery charge with I-frames on activation too
when the "boss as playable charecter" has same power level as original boss itself
I dont like broken operators but she is a big muscle mommy with swords, cant help it
not even competition
That woman is just built different, no wonder she is maiden and single, those hands can break bones with a high-5
아무리 생각해도 아이린의 완벽한 상위호환인 것 같아 설계에 아쉬움이 남네요...
딜은 좀 부족하지만 예쁘고 귀여우니까 아이린이 이겼습니다
어딜 아줌마 둘이
At least Chen didn't provoke 3 other Sarkaz casters there lol.
썸네일만 봐도 결과가 보이는..
Estamos a semanas de poder tenerla!!!
혹시 위샤델과 엘라 성능을 비교하는 영상 만들어주실수 있나요
Degen is the most boring design for a 6* operator in at least a year. They removed the archetype weakness and gave her skills that spot on the previous characters. Unless Irene gets a new module, she’s a straight downgrade to Degen. Art design is pretty but they did Irene especially dirty. At least Ch’en has the sp recovery niche.
거 앞서 나온 소마들 부관참시 아니오ㅋㅋㅋ
옛날엔 챈도 적폐픽이였느데... 오퍼 인플레가 어지간히도 일어났나 보군요
A male 'swordmaster' with a full buff and debuff team on Degen: Didn't we beat your team back at Kyerag last year?
Tiene sentido que sea la más fuerte.
Una es la líder de un escuadrón de policía (Chen).
La otra es una inquisidora novicia (Irene).
Y ella (degenbrech) es la 3 veces campeona del torneo de caballeros en kazimierz...
Degenbrecher haciendo powercreep a base de Lore
갈!! 최강의 소드마스터는 여고생 첸이거늘!
I got Irene during Specter Alter's Banner but I never bothered to build her, and apparently the poor thing will never leave the bench if I get Degen
Irene was released on the Spectar alter's banner...
@@shadymann9468 Yep, i got the wrong name lol
Same skill dmg
Just add a "deal 175% dmg" to degen.. and weow,
Who throught she would be stronger than chen and irene
so basicly she can do what Chen and Irene(dps burst skill) do but better~
Very cool and all but... How can you play the old CC3?
That's DM-EX-6 for the first one, you can see with the timestamp as well
Looking at chen whats little bro doing?
그치만 나이는 삐약이가 압도적으로 어리고
해묘야 이게 맞냐...
noo irene just died
I confused.... Did i need to get her or just keep saving my orundum for limited banner... 😭
if you lack meta operators or really like her design sure, but if not it’s better to save up for limited banners cuz nowadays almost every new operator can hit big numbers (plus there’s still a chance to get her in the limited banner)
Depends on you. We have so many options at this point, its a matter of who you really want to use often
There's so many good ops in a row that you'll really have to decide.
Degen is EZ mode delete meta, but not super unique or fun
Ray is somewhat-finicky boss-sniper/cross-map sniper, meta, unique, fun, but a bit hard to use
Shu and Zuo Le, Shu is meta and has both easy and harder uses but really nice period. Zuo Le is fairly strong skill spam, kinda like Degen but a bit less OP and a bit more unique
Ela is the new standard for what a fast sniper should be, high DpS, high total damage, minor CC, not affected too much by low-med armor. Not fundamentally super unique though. She'll be hard to pull later since it's a collab limited banner, might be a long time before we see them again.
Ascalon is pretty unique and has useful CC effects but is not nearly as strong as the rest here. Less replacable than the more generic ones though.
Those two you might want to skip if you're low on pulls though, because next is:
Wis and Logos, well LOL better hard pull for both really. Logos sets the new standard for casters while providing the strongest arts output combo with Qiubai S3, and Wis is, well, Wis.
@@goober-en4zt i think im good now about team, Typhon, Muel, Virtu, Ines, Mudrock, Mountain, Surtr. So i think Limited then 😅 hehehe
Mommy Degenbrecher ftw lezz goooo
너무 잔혹해요
people will realize why degenbrecher is kazimier champion...
데겐은 데겐 직군이다
Degen handsome
I guess ch'en still has some use for her talent, and irene still excels in SSS.
Irene does excel in SSS, but Degen unsurprisingly outperforms her there too.
@@slonik0002 which stacks are used on degen, is it also 5x vanguards?
@@zydine267 Pretty much, although usually I go with 3 VG 2 Guard myself. Any mix of the two works fine for most ground DPS anyways.
Jeezuz this is blatant powercreep, and I say this as a big Ch'en and Irene fanboy.
첸은 진짜 4성같네
degen still won but if Irene had better module then the result might be alot closer
Sorry, +5% DEF ignore, take it or leave it.
Relistically, I doubt that
Even if Irene some how got 80 atk base stats module (the highest amount for Swordmaster rn, which belong to ch'en module) and they upgrade her talent to 75% def ignore... it would still not enough
Again 0 def enimies : Irene deal 28350 dmg, while Degen deal 36834 dmg, more than 8kdmg different
Again 1500 def enemies (which is realy high already), ... Degen still win, Irene deal 22987 dmg while Degen deal 23222 dmg
Enemies with higher stats than this tend to have greater weight, so less dmg for Irene
This is not factor others unities Degen has and how easy she can be set up
So in conclusion, Irene is just dead
Edit : forgot the 10% dmg bonus in the 1500 def part
@@Hoshiyomi-w-Irene is not dead mate, there are still use cases for her. In IS her attack recovery and 20% less SP requirement for S3 gives her miles worth more damage potential than degenbrecher. For daily content, degenbrecher is obviously better, but Irene will still be much more flexible in IS. Let's never forget that IS basically becomes half the game for endgame players.
@@radornic2387 no she not lol mate. Irene other half of the 2nd talent ONLY work on IS3, and in IS3 alone. We have 2 (soon to be 3) other IS incase you forgot. Without the seaborn, she need 27s just to use her skill ( 23s if there is seaborn). Now you know what funny ? She only get that sp when she ALWAYS attacking, which mean if you dont constantly feed her enemies to atk, her CD is always higher than Degen. And in the situation she does ? In difficulty 15, if your name is not Mlynar, enemies will murder you by the sheer stats boost, so an OP that have to constantly putting herself in danger like Irene will never get those skill.
Oh you talking about dmg potention ? Degen deal 50% more total dmg than her. Yes, it is 50%, that one and a half of Irene, while also scaling much more than her with buff, has untargetable during s3 unlike Irene, has disarm so she can keep herself save, all while having auto regen so she is less risky to use.
You seem to not understand just how impactful auto-regen is, and how atk-recovery hurt an OP
@@Hoshiyomi-w- Are you daft mate? Attack recovery dominates IS because of the uncapped ASPD potential brought by collectibles as opposed to auto recovery boosting collectibles? Paragraphs of yapping to miss something this simple 🤦
Attack recovery skills are highly valueds above recovery in every instance of IS. They are highly spammable and have the most damage potential out of everything. I've +15'd both IS3 and IS4, how about you go actually play IS before you start talking because you talk like someone who hasn't touched it past IS2. That or learn how to speak without sounding like a condescending snob.
Degen is the most boring example of powercreep in the game.
Her s3 just has auto recovery and has every good part of chen and irenes kits without the downsides.
Like atleast wisadel has a cool nuke
Eh they are about the same
w alter s3 hits air unit in a archetype that cant hit air
@@cxfgjklihgfcvhjnknhjknvbvvcflk Eh i would take it over having auto sp
For me, trio "Mlynar Walter Degen" shouldn't exist
@user-pn9il8gr4b Honestly Młynar is kinda meh, cause you have to play around his off-skill and enemy waves. Walter would have been alright if she didn't hit air, still beyond broken, meanwhile Degen is just straight up uncreative bland numbers with everything that made the previous Swordmasters interesting
Can her S1/S2 hit aerial units or only S3.........?
Who? Irene? Yes, Irene and only Irene is able to hit air (with S3) out of all 6* swordmasters
@@diobrando4024Degen’s S3 also hits aerial though
@@slonik0002 wait, really? I always though she can't because that would literally kill Irene's only advantage above her 💀
@@diobrando4024 Yep, Irene dedge. She also has Ch'en's invulnerability, but somehow still blocks unlike Ch'en. At least Ch'en has a minor SP battery to rely on, Irene has literally nothing now.
I used to joke that she'd still have her 5head and base skill but now Logos took the latter from her...
@@slonik0002 welp, R.I.P. our inquisitor birdie
spoiler alert: the newest operator
Swordmaster evo
Kinda funny that only Degenbrecher is the literally true swordmaster,while others is literally a joke like fake "swordmaster"
못뽑으면 큰일나요 콘
Degen because new ops always powercreep old ops. Nothing new.
하지만 위샤델 나오고 범부가 되어버린 데겐
2저지맨 나와야 정신 차리지?
Who buys Ch'en's paid skin?
I'm gonna skip not because of powercreep but because of lazy ass design.
Soon, mommy will come!
I like how every criticisms that Degen received is just that she's a powercreep and way better than the other two at handling enemies.
well that tends to happen when you already have two 6* units that are loved by the community and then release another 6* that makes them completely obsolete. i mean at least chen has her battery but irene..?
@@bellart_ramana Irene has a good training room skill in base (copium)
@@firstsunrise8759 inc logos😭
God I love Degen so much
God I hate Degen so much
Considering what’s past her and she is mylnar level save your hate for Walter
@@2265Hello walter has a much more interesting kit than degen tbf
@@durian1600 eh not really she is just a slightly different variant of brain dead. She requires less management too. her ye ye ass clothes don’t change that either much either. They could have made her interesting by making her require summon management during her off skill but no hell the things don’t really die either.
@@durian1600Well, she ain’t firing guns. Honestly all sword people have boring kits. Even Irene with her hand cannon can only levitate and have a larger AOE than Cutter.
I love Degen, offensive recovery skills suck anyway
Ok, now skill cycle with no stall.
Degen would still win, purely because she has auto recovery