Yes even I realize nowadays our Gorshay is like almost flying in a air like butterflies specially ladies🤣😂😅the way they throwing hands in a air and the way they moves their hips totally looks like Chinese dance. Coz I never saw this kind of moves before or my childhood life. Everything is change nowadays
@@KungaTGorsheyChannelI have seen lots of kham dance and Amdo dance but not like buttock up.Even in Yarki dance every year they dance on kham,Amdo and utsang but not like this
That’s the problem… You guys only knows Kham and amdo dance which Tipa dance during Yarkyi… That’s it… Other than Yarkyi , you got zero idea… Isn’t it… And Also… Majority of Kham and Amdo population resides in Tibet itself… So How can you proof that Whatever Tipa Shows you Represent every corner of Region… Please do reply
@@KungaTGorsheyChannel that’s a lie. My grandmother is derge kham. She used to dance and I learned from her. She doesn’t show off her ass and chest like lhakar fake gorshey nowadays.
@@Norbulhamo62 Hahaha… Then… Ask yourself… Do you still Derge dialect… I guess… No… So Does that mean… You are not Aro khampa… Isn’t it… Grow up your ass… By the time… It evolves… Please 🙏🏻… Think broad… Just don’t space out and come up with anything you got in your mind… Mate
Tibetan culture and tradition is more about mental culture than the physical culture. To develop our mental culture it is all about our rich tibetan language and polishing our tibetan buddhist philosophical tradition. If we prrserve these two gems then all physical culture like dancing and clothing will be corected automatically. Requesting those who are so passionate about dancing to also take proper care about our nalanda tradition and tibetan language.
Sonam la , your explanation & research on current Lhakar gorshey is very well explained & clarity . Chinese style dance & music is slow poison to our rich culture. Thank you
Good points. I will as a parent I will let my kids participate in Gorshey but I will tell them by myself at home what's different between Chinese flok dance and Tibetan gorshey and how much hand and foot should use. They shouldn't boycott the gorshey but we can explain to kids.
Two videos you have edited with Chinese traditional musics are sung by Tibetan singers inside Tibet. First one is ཚེ་ིརང་ལོ་བརྒྱ་ and the second one is བཏྲེན་འབྲེལ་འཛོམས་གླུ་ from Amdo and they are from different province in Tibet. Songs these days don't use Dranyen and have a more modern beats and the reason why choreography have evolved. We are so used to listen to Nangma Toeshey and associated it with only Tibetan traditional dance and in reality it is not. Just like Indian no longer dance kathakali form in the mainstream, Tibetan dance is also evolving as per the need of the hour. The richness of lyrics, vocabulary and amazing choreography of Gorshey type songs are coming from different part of Tibet is so joyful and inviting. I don't even know that Amdos dance are so beautiful until I saw how they usually dance. I can sense that TIPA Genla you are talking appear worried that Tibetan youngsters are not dancing traditional TIPA style. But they should allow evolving tibetan dance if they benefit tibetan cause. By the way they are not dancing Bollywood or night club dance on Lhakar. Genla may say many of choreography are Chinese influenced but he should come with solution instead of ridiculing or criticizing people who dance on Lhakar. To be honest TIPA should have pioneered and started Lhakar Gorshey right in front of Tsuk Lak Khang in Dharamsala instead of impractical criticism. There are countless beautiful modern tibetan songs inside Tibet and they are beautifully choreographed depending on its music. Most of the songs we dance on Gorshey has hidden reverence to His Holiness. Tibetan artists inside Tibet are highly idolized and revered by the local Tibetans hence the source of inspiration to their lyrics, as we witness, are always geared towards our unity, culture and His Holiness. I totally agree that Gorshey (kodro) is a gateway to Tibetan pride for many youngster born in diaspora as well as for us to quench our thirst to be closer Tibet.
@@thewanderingrey8830 yes Ray i have a newborn who keeps me busy at home sometime. This guys has little interest in Gorshey however he wants us to dance his way…it is 2023 man..the Tibetan inside Tibet has the best choreography and thousnads of beautiful Gorshey type songs, not all songs are meant for Gorshey…
@@tibetangorsheyfriendscorne8565 well first off a hearty congratulations and welcome to fatherhood! Secondly I actually am planning to get in touch more with the dancers on the ground (Tibet and elsewhere) to have more in depth of the conversation about this topic. I am just recently discovering more of the specific gorshey dancing styles and taking notes rather than jumping into this debate tbh...
I AGREE 👍 💯 👏 👌 🙌 These day Gorshey is an NOT Tibetan Dance. It is Tibetan song, but Tibetan people dancing with CHINESE style or moves on Tibetan songs. Well DONE 👏 with explanation 👏
Your talk after some research is appreciable. I wish people also put little more effort to speak pure Tibetan on Wednesdays. It is doable. Root is important than branches.
@@tenzindolma6041 if you regard all the dances from Tibet China as Chinese dance it is OK ,because the 6 million Tibetan Chinese ,97%Tibetan population ,are the owner of China .they are Chinese .their country is China .which country is yours ? your country is India .it's just your dream . ,because India doesn't want you ,India has too much population now .
That Tipa Gyen told is 100% true n right!...In our society no one is aware of all those step which will leave bad examples fr future generation...Mean it
future generations ? they are Chinese in China ,American in USA ,Canadian in Canada ,European in Europe ,Japanese in Japan ,Korean in Korea ,Indians in India .
Yeah u r rite, He brought Gorshey, before his born , there was no dance in Kham and Amdo, ..... don't be a frog in well.... go back to history otherwise 🙊
How about banning laphing as it’s actually Chinese food called liangfen as food is also culture just my opinion,, P.S May be step are similar to Chinese and there some language also which is similar
@@Checkkkasd No, it’s not Chinese, it’s called La-fing, which means fing which is wet, we have also dried fings. The popular recipe with Fing, sha, mokro and shoko
Then Please... Keep only Tsampa and butter, and Sha... That's the only Tibetan things we own... Language is derived from India, food from China. Clothing from mongol....
true brother.lately i have noticed that people are so immersed in fast paced diso type gorshey that whenever authentic gorshey type song comes people dont show much interest.the people who r criticising the chinese style dance are saying for the future generations.thr is nothing to be ashamed to accept the reality and change it❤️ free tibet🙏
So u saying that kham and Amdo dances are Chinese style right ??? Also if u really care about Tibetan pure culture and language why don’t write comments in English ? Instead of Tibetan ??? Lastly are much knowledge do have in Chinese dance ??
Oh my god. Watch yarkyi video and many other videos of TIPA . There are plenty of doctoe and domey dance. I have got chance to dance in school days and I have danced on all the choe kha dance . That time tipa genlas used to teach us .
@@TTopden That means you haven’t even try to find information about what you are shouting about. If you really concerned about our culture you should invest little effort to differentiate two different cultures. Without doing any research you bring here hatred between Choekhas. There is no need of hatred.
Instead of requesting him to taking down/remove her snap you guys should advice/teach her about our unique culture of pure Tibetan style of dances No mongrelization dance especially on White Wednesday Accept his comments as positive not as negative/offensive Let her fellow the right path not a cliff if you are concern parents Ditch the Chinese music and dance sty-late onward Every where in exile celebrating white Wednesday as half filled glass No used of participating if all are performing mongrelize dances/musics influence of CCP stylist
😂😂😂. this guy in the video was not even born, but he talks like he is master of tibetan dances instead he is making money with bashing people from Kham and Amdo. So poor as TIPA. let‘s collect donation so they get satisfied
Let’s not divide Tibetans. People like you talk about Khampa amdo utsang and divide. The topic is only about dancing like showing off ass, chest and making Chinese hand signs. This has nothing to do with kham Amdo.
You didn't know our TIBET dance. So difference utsang and khampa or amdo dance. How is mixed Chinese dance? So many years before our dance story. You don't know about that.
@malorybertie8046 ok, I am Indian , and Tibetan inside tibet are Chinese for you but the fact that you are here defending Falun gong looking dance says a lot!
correction: these dances are passed over directly from tibet. you guys are just putting down the hard work tibetans in tibet are putting to preserve our culture. people like Voepauvmo and tsewang are extending that branch to the younger generation raised outside of tibet. dance can always evolve!
Negative always our society and music don't look shave and colors .no matter gorshey at the moment is good and enjoying tibetan language songs not chinese words. You guys already messed or broken down Delhi gorshey tsokpa. Phone need update tv need update whole world do update so may you guys need update too
Yes true saying.. Chinese government is destroying our cultural dance very beautifully by adding their music instruments with high hands up,kub dok dok style..nd wearing pangden of one nampa..means( actually pangden has 3nampa ,strech them together in one rectangular shape). What they do is wearing only one side.... Go naya rey.. now a days chupa also changing in different style which is destroying our custom..
How double standard you guys are, you start your video with juley balley balley namaste, and you pretend to worry about Tibetan gorshae has chinese culture influenced..you have no idea what you are saying….
Your point of view on 4 girls from Amdo dancing is chinese style please investigate throughly first don't come on social media without any point and prove. I came from Tibet and this is Domey way of dancing which symbolises the gratitude for panchen lama from the decades. Second don't blindly believe of his 40 yrs of experience from Tipa. Sometimes more experience makes you full idiot brother. Three province have different way of dancing. Omg
Thank you for bringing this topic as I have never seen anyone talking about it publicly but it’s important. IMO you are right and wrong. Almost all of the current Gorshey dancing that’s literally taken the Tibetan world by storm in the last a few years and the popularity is now even increasing to outside Tibetan world, is mostly from Kham and Amdo. Probably more of Kham especially the fast moving types. Eg your clip at 8:00 is a popular traditional Amdo Gorshey. For sure the styles have been exaggerated to show more stylistic of hand movements that originated from Tibet recently and in particular by a few influential Tibetan Choreographers, who for sure must be professionally trained so for sure there have been influenced from China but you also have to realized that Tibetans in the eastern Kham and northeastern Amdo borders have been living side by side with Chinese for millennia so there is lot of influence in food, dancing, etc. Second is that Gorshey that we have been brought up and in seen in exile have been mostly central and western such as Toepa. So there has been dramatic shift in the popularity by the Tibetan people from western to eastern Gorshey in the last about 10 years. Now as you can see, it’s been mostly eastern Tibetan Gorshey as I have mentioned. It’s mostly due to the popularity, music chosen by the people. Now in this world it’s the consumers who decide, just as in food, music, dresses. Eg American fast food and music has dominated the world and within American it’s the hip hop now over say country music. Then few years from now it may change due to many reasons etc. Also yes the influence of the current Gorshey is definitely coming from Tibet and if you watch RUclips and they are many. They are daily Gorshey in Chengdu you will see the songs and styles are same as the ones in Dharamsala, Delhi, New York, Paris,Toronto. As a keen observer, thanks for raising this topic and I’d hope a serious study and research is done on this as it’s definitely taken the Tibetan world by storm. Yes it’s possible, they might be PRC behind such as UFD with ulterior motives, who is promoting this considering the production quality and volume from ones in Chengdu and for the fact that RUclips is banned in China and yet they are many channels. So at a minimum authorities are tracking these and if they go outside their acceptance they will shut them down as we have seen recently from popular RUclipsr based in Lhasa, Kardol.
Beautiful insight..totally agree that in exile we are used and accustomed to Central Tibetan type dancing style which is way different from other parts. We need tolerance and acceptance to embrace change as you said its people who decide what to dance. Since Gorshey us danced moslty weekly on Wednesday we cannot dance same songs for 3 hours and for years.
I think you ignored China when you listed the places around the world where Tibetan gorshey were danced .thousands of han Chinese gorshey teams are dancing every week all of China ! millions of han Chinese watch Tibetan gorshey through all kinds of ways .when a popular Tibetan gorshey hit in Tibet ,not only in Tibet ,in India ,Paris ,New York ,Toronto ,all become popular in Tibetan dance teams ,but that hit gorshey is popular in han Chinese ,over 100 times of entire Tibetan dancers ,gorshey teams too .I am a han Chinese who love watching Tibetan gorshey .I especially love watching the Toronto gorshey shotted by Acer ,because I am a big fun of a dancer in that place ....
@@malorybertie8046 Wow sounds great. If you can share some RUclips channels of those would be great. Tibetan spirituality and lamas used to be huge influence to the Chinese courts for hundreds of years in the past and the aristocrats from Yuan, Ming and Manchu empires. Good to know in a much smaller way it's going through the masses through dancing and singing. As well as spirituality.
@@vajraheart6052 sorry ,I don't know how to watch han Chinese gorshey on RUclips .but I know they are there .almost every Chinese city has 1~several Tibetan gorshey teams .when han Chinese dance gorshey together ,they 100% dance with wearing Tibetan clothes which is weird ,since even the Tibetan Chinese don't always dance gorshey with wearing Tibetan clothes .it seems that only the gorshey from Chengdu Sichuan province China can be seen on RUclips .but it is interesting that the dancers are all Tibetan Chinese ,and audience are han Chinese ,some han Chinese try to dance follow the inside dancers ,but it seems not easy ...in other Chinese cities ,the Tibetan gorshey dancers all are han Chinese .
Then if you feel amdo gorshey རྟེན་འབྲེལ་འཛོམས་གླུ་ is like Chinese styles then why your group put on your groups channel don't be like that poor girl narrow minded 😂😂😂
Raising ones hand up in the sky while dancing is Chinese style... Thats literally what you and that 45 years served at Tipa Genla is saying.... So just want to let you know that... You guys still not aware of Dotoe and domey... As majority of Do Toe-Mey population is still inside Tibet... Not Like Utsang... I know everyone is aware that... Utsang population is the largest in our Tibetan community.... So How you guys will know Do Toe-mey dancing steps... Aaa... Please do reply...
right! it's a shame our own community is degrading our culture. dance is about evolution and can change over time. there is not only one type of Tibetan dance in the world. the idea that some gorshey dances seem like chinese movements is simply wrong! especially when tibetans in Tibet are trying so hard to preserve our culture. everyone needs to educate themselves and learn the history of amdo and kham dance. btw i enjoy watching dhasa's gorshey videos every week. keep it going!
That is what he didn’t said exactly, Hands up and butt out like duck 🦆 is not how we Tibetans moves during Gorshay, Tibetan gorshay also moves hand but not Butt out like duck 😅
@@namgyel6447 are u serious? khampa men are literally KNOWN to dance like that since forever ago. i havent seen any chinese dances like this where they stick their butt out and even so…why is that a problem?
Chynese are trying their best to show the world that Tibetan culture is same to same with Han...so it would be good not follow their preferred way of dancing
You are absolutely right…👍👍👍 May you be always blessed by KONCHHOKSUM 🙏🙏🙏 May the evil-spirit-gyakhis (CCP’s paid 🐕🦺🦮🐕🦺🐕) never be able to harm or hurt you. 🙏🙏🙏
When bhoeda sing and dance hindi at every occassion nobody said anything since 60 yrs. That time genla was dumb and deaf? who were the culture care-taker?
@@skybird6039 that’s why you don’t understand the logic behind it, India never claim that Tibet and India civilization is same but China does, and people also get confused because we have similar facial as Chinese, so now the main point that make differences is cultural ,way of living and language,if we mixed than it is disaster for us and our generations.
@@namgyel6447 who danced chinese style? khampa and amdo people? I know some people saying they are chinese in general. why don‘t just say you don‘t like khampa and amdo dances? be honest. You even haven‘t been to Kham and Amdo and have seen every corner there. So how you have knowledge about the history of dances in whole Tibet. You just ate dhal and rice, you haven‘t ever tasted real tsampa and butter.
@@skybird6039 i don’t care about regional difference, Tibet as whole is more important, you can that from the way you write, actually you are using bad language on people who born in exile. Don’t forget that education you received for free has been created in exile.
Without tradition and culture, art is a flock of sheep without a shepherd. Without innovation, it is a corpse. there is no tradition and culture still for decade without evolve. just accept the best and repel the worst. that is how the countries become prosperous. otherwise.... will be same as Motta dimag.
Yes even I realize nowadays our Gorshay is like almost flying in a air like butterflies specially ladies🤣😂😅the way they throwing hands in a air and the way they moves their hips totally looks like Chinese dance. Coz I never saw this kind of moves before or my childhood life. Everything is change nowadays
Poor Child… That’s just because From our childhood Only Utsang Dance, mostly toeshey reigned our community 😅
@@KungaTGorsheyChannelI have seen lots of kham dance and Amdo dance but not like buttock up.Even in Yarki dance every year they dance on kham,Amdo and utsang but not like this
That’s the problem… You guys only knows Kham and amdo dance which Tipa dance during Yarkyi… That’s it… Other than Yarkyi , you got zero idea… Isn’t it… And Also… Majority of Kham and Amdo population resides in Tibet itself… So How can you proof that Whatever Tipa Shows you Represent every corner of Region… Please do reply
@@KungaTGorsheyChannel that’s a lie. My grandmother is derge kham. She used to dance and I learned from her. She doesn’t show off her ass and chest like lhakar fake gorshey nowadays.
@@Norbulhamo62 Hahaha… Then… Ask yourself… Do you still Derge dialect… I guess… No… So Does that mean… You are not Aro khampa… Isn’t it… Grow up your ass… By the time… It evolves… Please 🙏🏻… Think broad… Just don’t space out and come up with anything you got in your mind… Mate
I agree 100%… sometime when I look at those dance step, it really fall close to Chinese traditional dance…
Totally agree, people don’t take negative please, he is saving our beautiful culture that
No one have, thank you
This guy was also a gang member from KLONG KLONG TONG TONG DANCE of TIPA
who banned MAJ NU KA TILA GORSHEY
Pls do sthing positiv for TIBET
Yes genla never had said not to dance gorshay. He just said dance more like tibetan rather than Chinese style.
Tibetan culture and tradition is more about mental culture than the physical culture. To develop our mental culture it is all about our rich tibetan language and polishing our tibetan buddhist philosophical tradition. If we prrserve these two gems then all physical culture like dancing and clothing will be corected automatically.
Requesting those who are so passionate about dancing to also take proper care about our nalanda tradition and tibetan language.
Cant agree more , 100 percent true
Bro, yours is bit communal, because there Tibetan Muslim as well as Tibetan Christian. you want to throw them out from Tibetan society?
Sonam la , your explanation & research on current Lhakar gorshey is very well explained & clarity . Chinese style dance & music is slow poison to our rich culture.
Thank you
Thank you bro 🙏🙏🙏 very good explanation n advice, absolutely true 👍👍👍
Good points. I will as a parent I will let my kids participate in Gorshey but I will tell them by myself at home what's different between Chinese flok dance and Tibetan gorshey and how much hand and foot should use. They shouldn't boycott the gorshey but we can explain to kids.
Totally agree with Tipa ganla and even what you saying 👍
Two videos you have edited with Chinese traditional musics are sung by Tibetan singers inside Tibet. First one is ཚེ་ིརང་ལོ་བརྒྱ་ and the second one is བཏྲེན་འབྲེལ་འཛོམས་གླུ་ from Amdo and they are from different province in Tibet. Songs these days don't use Dranyen and have a more modern beats and the reason why choreography have evolved. We are so used to listen to Nangma Toeshey and associated it with only Tibetan traditional dance and in reality it is not. Just like Indian no longer dance kathakali form in the mainstream, Tibetan dance is also evolving as per the need of the hour. The richness of lyrics, vocabulary and amazing choreography of Gorshey type songs are coming from different part of Tibet is so joyful and inviting. I don't even know that Amdos dance are so beautiful until I saw how they usually dance. I can sense that TIPA Genla you are talking appear worried that Tibetan youngsters are not dancing traditional TIPA style. But they should allow evolving tibetan dance if they benefit tibetan cause. By the way they are not dancing Bollywood or night club dance on Lhakar. Genla may say many of choreography are Chinese influenced but he should come with solution instead of ridiculing or criticizing people who dance on Lhakar. To be honest TIPA should have pioneered and started Lhakar Gorshey right in front of Tsuk Lak Khang in Dharamsala instead of impractical criticism. There are countless beautiful modern tibetan songs inside Tibet and they are beautifully choreographed depending on its music. Most of the songs we dance on Gorshey has hidden reverence to His Holiness. Tibetan artists inside Tibet are highly idolized and revered by the local Tibetans hence the source of inspiration to their lyrics, as we witness, are always geared towards our unity, culture and His Holiness.
I totally agree that Gorshey (kodro) is a gateway to Tibetan pride for many youngster born in diaspora as well as for us to quench our thirst to be closer Tibet.
well said!
Your insight is very valuable 🙏 I haven't seen you in LIVE dances lately mate...
@@thewanderingrey8830 yes Ray i have a newborn who keeps me busy at home sometime. This guys has little interest in Gorshey however he wants us to dance his way…it is 2023 man..the Tibetan inside Tibet has the best choreography and thousnads of beautiful Gorshey type songs, not all songs are meant for Gorshey…
I totally agree vd you..
But not infront of tsuklakhang
@@tibetangorsheyfriendscorne8565 well first off a hearty congratulations and welcome to fatherhood! Secondly I actually am planning to get in touch more with the dancers on the ground (Tibet and elsewhere) to have more in depth of the conversation about this topic. I am just recently discovering more of the specific gorshey dancing styles and taking notes rather than jumping into this debate tbh...
I AGREE 👍 💯 👏 👌 🙌 These day Gorshey is an NOT Tibetan Dance. It is Tibetan song, but Tibetan people dancing with CHINESE style or moves on Tibetan songs.
Well DONE 👏 with explanation 👏
Yes bro. It's true. I also believe that
I am agree with u totally we must think about that
Thank you for the awakening to the people
No one’s wants. To dance boring tipa dance
With you 100% bro..🙏
Your talk after some research is appreciable. I wish people also put little more effort to speak pure Tibetan on Wednesdays. It is doable. Root is important than branches.
Thnk u fr using 4 gals video. Voepavumo step all are Chinese dance onli.
Looks like someone is jealous of her haha😂
@@ensorude jealous of wat? Chinese dance???
@@tenzindolma6041 if you regard all the dances from Tibet China as Chinese dance it is OK ,because the 6 million Tibetan Chinese ,97%Tibetan population ,are the owner of China .they are Chinese .their country is China .which country is yours ? your country is India .it's just your dream . ,because India doesn't want you ,India has too much population now .
You’re absolutely right
ཤ་ཚ་་་ད་བོད་ཚོ་གཅིག་ཏུ་སྦྲེལ་བའི་ཐབས་ལམ་ཡག་ཤོས་གཅིག་རང་གི་ཐོག་ནས་རྒས་གཞོན་མང་དག་ཅིག་གིས་ལས་རྒྱག་པ་དང་དོ་སྣང་བྱེད་དང་བྱེད་བཞིན་པ་ནི་ལྷག་དཀར་བསུ་བའི་གཞས་ཞབས་བྲོ་འཁྲབ་པ་འདི་དག་རེད། ཁྱོད་རང་གི་བསམ་བློ་དག་གང་འདྲ་ཞིག་ཡིན་མིན་མི་ཤེས། ཡིན་ནའང་ཁྱོད་ཚོས་བཤད་པ་འདི་དག་ནི་རྒྱ་མིས་སྐབས་སྒྲིག་བྱེད་པ་དང་གཅིག་མཚུངས་་རེད། རྗེས་སུ་ཡིད་གཟབ་གནང་རོགས། ཁྱོད་རང་གིས་སྦྲགས་སྐད་རྒྱག་པ་དེ་ངོ་ཤེས་ཀྱི་ཨེ་འདུག ད་དུང་གཞས་འཁྲབ་སྟངས་ལ་མ་འགྲིག་པ་བཤད་བསྡད་ཡོད་རེད། ངོ་ཏོག་ཙམ་་ཚ་ཤེས་པ་གནང་རོགས།
དཀའ་ལས་རྒྱག་པ་་་་
That Tipa Gyen told is 100% true n right!...In our society no one is aware of all those step which will leave bad examples fr future generation...Mean it
future generations ? they are Chinese in China ,American in USA ,Canadian in Canada ,European in Europe ,Japanese in Japan ,Korean in Korea ,Indians in India .
Yeah u r rite, He brought Gorshey, before his born , there was no dance in Kham and Amdo, ..... don't be a frog in well.... go back to history otherwise 🙊
💯 true
སྐད་ཆ་འགོ་བཙུག་དུས་ནས་ཕྱོགས་རིས་ཆགས་སྡང་ཐོག་ལ་འགྲོ་བཞག་འདུག་ག
True. Especially Toronto Gorshey. Its completely Chinese traditional group dance. No offense, but worried of our beautiful tradition
How about banning laphing as it’s actually Chinese food called liangfen as food is also culture just my opinion,, P.S May be step are similar to Chinese and there some language also which is similar
@@Checkkkasd BANNED that unhealthy shit
@@Checkkkasd
No, it’s not Chinese, it’s called La-fing, which means fing which is wet, we have also dried fings. The popular recipe with Fing, sha, mokro and shoko
@@sonamyangzom-wh1xp it’s from Chinese sichuan fact is fact . It’s origin from there ..
Then Please... Keep only Tsampa and butter, and Sha... That's the only Tibetan things we own... Language is derived from India, food from China. Clothing from mongol....
Agree with you toatally
true brother.lately i have noticed that people are so immersed in fast paced diso type gorshey that whenever authentic gorshey type song comes people dont show much interest.the people who r criticising the chinese style dance are saying for the future generations.thr is nothing to be ashamed to accept the reality and change it❤️ free tibet🙏
So u saying that kham and Amdo dances are Chinese style right ??? Also if u really care about Tibetan pure culture and language why don’t write comments in English ? Instead of Tibetan ??? Lastly are much knowledge do have in Chinese dance ??
How to write biker guy in Tibetan ?
How many DoToe and DoMed dances have been produced by Tipa so far? For U-Tsang, we have almost every regional dance from Tipa.
Oh my god. Watch yarkyi video and many other videos of TIPA . There are plenty of doctoe and domey dance. I have got chance to dance in school days and I have danced on all the choe kha dance . That time tipa genlas used to teach us .
Ask yourself it and search on RUclips. Your answer is there.
I would be very grateful if you send me the link of those youtube
@@TTopden That means you haven’t even try to find information about what you are shouting about. If you really concerned about our culture you should invest little effort to differentiate two different cultures. Without doing any research you bring here hatred between Choekhas. There is no need of hatred.
It means you also have nothing to show.
Thank you very much ❤❤❤❤ you saying truly I really appreciate you
Instead of requesting him to taking down/remove her snap you guys should advice/teach her about our unique culture of pure Tibetan style of dances No mongrelization dance especially on White Wednesday Accept his comments as positive not as negative/offensive Let her fellow the right path not a cliff if you are concern parents Ditch the Chinese music and dance sty-late onward Every where in exile celebrating white Wednesday as half filled glass No used of participating if all are performing mongrelize dances/musics influence of CCP stylist
So true !
So disturbing that our own people excluding Tibetan eastern regions culture.
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I m sure lhakar they never do prayers in morning only dancing,
U r right..
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U makes sense bro. Our gorshey is turning into Chinese traditional dance😂.
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It was more than 15 years ago, for tibetan circle dance this time popular all tibetan wold . How can we change in one day not possible
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What you said is very true ...dance is also chinese propaganda.
40 years is nothing kham and Amdo people dance these dances for 3000 years
😂😂😂. this guy in the video was not even born, but he talks like he is master of tibetan dances instead he is making money with bashing people from Kham and Amdo. So poor as TIPA. let‘s collect donation so they get satisfied
@@skybird6039 you are right this guy needs more money so let we donation him
Let’s not divide Tibetans. People like you talk about Khampa amdo utsang and divide. The topic is only about dancing like showing off ass, chest and making Chinese hand signs. This has nothing to do with kham Amdo.
@@skybird6039 why they always bring Chinese culture ? They don’t know anything about Chinese culture ?
@@skybird6039 no one wants watch Tipas
Boring dances Specially youngsters
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You didn't know our TIBET dance. So difference utsang and khampa or amdo dance. How is mixed Chinese dance? So many years before our dance story. You don't know about that.
Lobsang lobsang stood lying 🤥 you guys always lie 😂 we don’t trust you 😊
Indian never lied .Indian are the most honest people in the world .@@lassywale
Thanks so much my friend ❤
Well said
It’s not about a culture. It’s just for fun and exercise. don’t judge everything. leave us alone.
Do your fun and exercise at home, don't bring at lhaker!
@@tara19910 are you leader of Lhakar?
@@yarthoktenzin8355 no,but I happen to know the purpose of lhaker,
@@tara19910 you are Indian ,what had you Indian known about lhaker ?
@malorybertie8046 ok, I am Indian , and Tibetan inside tibet are Chinese for you but the fact that you are here defending Falun gong looking dance says a lot!
100%agree with you 🙏🏻
Specially that tibetan RUclipsr so call: Vuepavumo....She creat all these steps in our society...
correction: these dances are passed over directly from tibet. you guys are just putting down the hard work tibetans in tibet are putting to preserve our culture. people like Voepauvmo and tsewang are extending that branch to the younger generation raised outside of tibet. dance can always evolve!
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Negative always our society and music don't look shave and colors .no matter gorshey at the moment is good and enjoying tibetan language songs not chinese words. You guys already messed or broken down Delhi gorshey tsokpa. Phone need update tv need update whole world do update so may you guys need update too
Well said 👍
We don't need us free advise and suggestions make own life with family perfect as tibetan.
Ghor shay is just a RUclips platform 😅 😅 😅
Yes true saying.. Chinese government is destroying our cultural dance very beautifully by adding their music instruments with high hands up,kub dok dok style..nd wearing pangden of one nampa..means( actually pangden has 3nampa ,strech them together in one rectangular shape). What they do is wearing only one side.... Go naya rey.. now a days chupa also changing in different style which is destroying our custom..
Ask older generation,they have very good ideas.. 👍👍👍👍traditional dance of Tibet... 🙏🙏🙏🙏young generation strong influence Chinese🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🙏🙏
I like song. Don’t do justice
How double standard you guys are, you start your video with juley balley balley namaste, and you pretend to worry about Tibetan gorshae has chinese culture influenced..you have no idea what you are saying….
Because of this issue
Now I don't feel like going to gorshey
Your point of view on 4 girls from Amdo dancing is chinese style please investigate throughly first don't come on social media without any point and prove. I came from Tibet and this is Domey way of dancing which symbolises the gratitude for panchen lama from the decades.
Second don't blindly believe of his 40 yrs of experience from Tipa. Sometimes more experience makes you full idiot brother. Three province have different way of dancing. Omg
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100% true. We are Not gyami.
First you have to learn Tibetan language Dan you can judge to anther😂
Why angry.. 😮are you Tibetan...
Good job
Thanks so much tipa gan Lak
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Thank you for bringing this topic as I have never seen anyone talking about it publicly but it’s important. IMO you are right and wrong.
Almost all of the current Gorshey dancing that’s literally taken the Tibetan world by storm in the last a few years and the popularity is now even increasing to outside Tibetan world, is mostly from Kham and Amdo. Probably more of Kham especially the fast moving types. Eg your clip at 8:00 is a popular traditional Amdo Gorshey.
For sure the styles have been exaggerated to show more stylistic of hand movements that originated from Tibet recently and in particular by a few influential Tibetan Choreographers, who for sure must be professionally trained so for sure there have been influenced from China but you also have to realized that Tibetans in the eastern Kham and northeastern Amdo borders have been living side by side with Chinese for millennia so there is lot of influence in food, dancing, etc.
Second is that Gorshey that we have been brought up and in seen in exile have been mostly central and western such as Toepa. So there has been dramatic shift in the popularity by the Tibetan people from western to eastern Gorshey in the last about 10 years. Now as you can see, it’s been mostly eastern Tibetan Gorshey as I have mentioned. It’s mostly due to the popularity, music chosen by the people. Now in this world it’s the consumers who decide, just as in food, music, dresses. Eg American fast food and music has dominated the world and within American it’s the hip hop now over say country music. Then few years from now it may change due to many reasons etc.
Also yes the influence of the current Gorshey is definitely coming from Tibet and if you watch RUclips and they are many. They are daily Gorshey in Chengdu you will see the songs and styles are same as the ones in Dharamsala, Delhi, New York, Paris,Toronto.
As a keen observer, thanks for raising this topic and I’d hope a serious study and research is done on this as it’s definitely taken the Tibetan world by storm.
Yes it’s possible, they might be PRC behind such as UFD with ulterior motives, who is promoting this considering the production quality and volume from ones in Chengdu and for the fact that RUclips is banned in China and yet they are many channels. So at a minimum authorities are tracking these and if they go outside their acceptance they will shut them down as we have seen recently from popular RUclipsr based in Lhasa, Kardol.
Interesting insight 🤔 thank you for the comment.
Beautiful insight..totally agree that in exile we are used and accustomed to Central Tibetan type dancing style which is way different from other parts. We need tolerance and acceptance to embrace change as you said its people who decide what to dance. Since Gorshey us danced moslty weekly on Wednesday we cannot dance same songs for 3 hours and for years.
I think you ignored China when you listed the places around the world where Tibetan gorshey were danced .thousands of han Chinese gorshey teams are dancing every week all of China ! millions of han Chinese watch Tibetan gorshey through all kinds of ways .when a popular Tibetan gorshey hit in Tibet ,not only in Tibet ,in India ,Paris ,New York ,Toronto ,all become popular in Tibetan dance teams ,but that hit gorshey is popular in han Chinese ,over 100 times of entire Tibetan dancers ,gorshey teams too .I am a han Chinese who love watching Tibetan gorshey .I especially love watching the Toronto gorshey shotted by Acer ,because I am a big fun of a dancer in that place ....
@@malorybertie8046 Wow sounds great. If you can share some RUclips channels of those would be great.
Tibetan spirituality and lamas used to be huge influence to the Chinese courts for hundreds of years in the past and the aristocrats from Yuan, Ming and Manchu empires. Good to know in a much smaller way it's going through the masses through dancing and singing. As well as spirituality.
@@vajraheart6052 sorry ,I don't know how to watch han Chinese gorshey on RUclips .but I know they are there .almost every Chinese city has 1~several Tibetan gorshey teams .when han Chinese dance gorshey together ,they 100% dance with wearing Tibetan clothes which is weird ,since even the Tibetan Chinese don't always dance gorshey with wearing Tibetan clothes .it seems that only the gorshey from Chengdu Sichuan province China can be seen on RUclips .but it is interesting that the dancers are all Tibetan Chinese ,and audience are han Chinese ,some han Chinese try to dance follow the inside dancers ,but it seems not easy ...in other Chinese cities ,the Tibetan gorshey dancers all are han Chinese .
Appreciate ❤agree you totally
if you appreciate n agree with him then why you always put Yangchen group dance inside Tibet in ur Instagram please don't acting n showing two face 🤮
Then if you feel amdo gorshey རྟེན་འབྲེལ་འཛོམས་གླུ་ is like Chinese styles then why your group put on your groups channel don't be like that poor girl narrow minded 😂😂😂
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Good luck 🤞
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Don’t break unity
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go back to 1930. We moved already to 2023 or close your eyes and ears if it hurts.
Oh then you and your like minded celebrate your Losar on whenever you like, or wear your hat on your feet and shoes on your head
You can close the door and dance at your room with loud voice.Jump or do gymnastics whatever you like.But don’t say it is traditional Tibetan dance.
@@lhakpadhundup8201 why don‘t you move forward and learn about different traditions instead critisizing others because of your lack of knowledge.
@@lhakpadhundup8201you need to come out from ur small box 📦 😅 Explore world 😅
You are one sided and lack of knowledge about khampa dance. You also faked it with Chinese music.
Raising ones hand up in the sky while dancing is Chinese style... Thats literally what you and that 45 years served at Tipa Genla is saying.... So just want to let you know that... You guys still not aware of Dotoe and domey... As majority of Do Toe-Mey population is still inside Tibet... Not Like Utsang... I know everyone is aware that... Utsang population is the largest in our Tibetan community.... So How you guys will know Do Toe-mey dancing steps... Aaa... Please do reply...
right! it's a shame our own community is degrading our culture. dance is about evolution and can change over time. there is not only one type of Tibetan dance in the world. the idea that some gorshey dances seem like chinese movements is simply wrong! especially when tibetans in Tibet are trying so hard to preserve our culture. everyone needs to educate themselves and learn the history of amdo and kham dance. btw i enjoy watching dhasa's gorshey videos every week. keep it going!
That is what he didn’t said exactly, Hands up and butt out like duck 🦆 is not how we Tibetans moves during Gorshay, Tibetan gorshay also moves hand but not Butt out like duck 😅
@@namgyel6447 are u serious? khampa men are literally KNOWN to dance like that since forever ago. i havent seen any chinese dances like this where they stick their butt out and even so…why is that a problem?
Bro I look forward for more gorshey uploads from you in the future ☺👍
Duck position is the unique style of both Ngachu kordo and Amdo dokdo for centuries 🐴
Well done and well said ❤thanks for truths advice brother
Chynese are trying their best to show the world that Tibetan culture is same to same with Han...so it would be good not follow their preferred way of dancing
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ཇུས་མེད་ཇུས་ཏོག་མ་བྱེད་་སྐྱག་ཕྲུག
Wellsaid
U never been to Tibet and u don’t anything about pure Tibetan culture and also pure Tibetan culture doesn’t not mean only དབུས་བཙང་
Your Donation vlog n this vlog, I agree with you.👍🏻
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@@dorjeetsethar8644 མགོ་མ་ཚུད་རེད་ མགོ་མ་ཚོས་རེད
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Are you professional dancer?
You are absolutely right…👍👍👍
May you be always blessed by KONCHHOKSUM 🙏🙏🙏
May the evil-spirit-gyakhis (CCP’s paid 🐕🦺🦮🐕🦺🐕) never be able to harm or hurt you. 🙏🙏🙏
When bhoeda sing and dance hindi at every occassion nobody said anything since 60 yrs. That time genla was dumb and deaf?
who were the culture care-taker?
Do they mixed hindi and Tibetan dance? When we dance hindi we call it Hindi dance but when we dance cocktail we call it Tibetan dance 💃🏻.
@@antivirus8911 why dance hindi in tibetan occassion? to safe hindi culture?
@@skybird6039 that’s why you don’t understand the logic behind it, India never claim that Tibet and India civilization is same but China does, and people also get confused because we have similar facial as Chinese, so now the main point that make differences is cultural ,way of living and language,if we mixed than it is disaster for us and our generations.
@@namgyel6447 who danced chinese style? khampa and amdo people?
I know some people saying they are chinese in general. why don‘t just say you don‘t like khampa and amdo dances? be honest. You even haven‘t been to Kham and Amdo and have seen every corner there. So how you have knowledge about the history of dances in whole Tibet. You just ate dhal and rice, you haven‘t ever tasted real tsampa and butter.
@@skybird6039 i don’t care about regional difference, Tibet as whole is more important, you can that from the way you write, actually you are using bad language on people who born in exile. Don’t forget that education you received for free has been created in exile.
ཧ་མ་གོ་ན་བཞག་ན་ཡག་རེད་ བོད་ཆོལ་ཁ་གསུམ་གི་ གཞས་དང་ཞབས་བྲོ་ ཤེས་གི་མེད་བ་
Without tradition and culture, art is a flock of sheep without a shepherd. Without innovation, it is a corpse. there is no tradition and culture still for decade without evolve. just accept the best and repel the worst. that is how the countries become prosperous. otherwise.... will be same as Motta dimag.
སྔོན་མ་ལྷག་སྐར་སྒོར་བཞེས་ཡོད་མ་རེད། གསར་སྟོད་རེ་ལོ། 👎👎👎
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Appreciate you bro that’s true
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Boy, if you put arab music or any other music it will suit too ..
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