fun fact about ballistas and the archer class altogether, their ivy canopy can and will actually destroy most projectiles on contact, allowing you to safely sit at the top of the stage to do that big damage. (most of the time)
Yeah, that's already good by itself, but imagine if you compound that with that trait were you can only get hit in the hearth and then maybe find the Icarus wings to gain flight. Also, I think knockback effect with the special and uppercut causes cascade damage when enemies smash into walls and into each other; it lets you clear out crowded rooms with lots of small enemies very quickly.
Bard. Bard as well - My absolute strongest run so far has been a ridiculously powerful Bard with the stone among other things, and enemies just absolutely melt.
Uh? Barbarian with the spinning hammer is 100% the best class to grab Heavy stone, you toggle it on and that's it, it's always active, always double damage, enjoy melting EVERYTHING, although ballista ranger is a pretty good option too, there are a handful of classes that make good use of heavy stone
There's also Ballista Archer. And Hephaestus hammer... WHY HAVEN'T I TRIED THAT COMBO YET? maybe I have and I just don't remember it? cause I think I have now that I think about it...
@@venomousslime6797 That's the best combo for my playstyle. It the always rotating hammer protects you from the homing projectiles that are very common in some areas in later game.
Here is my list keep in mind I'm on my first game level 130 and have yet to beat the sun tower. (S rank Very strong!) "Chef" not super good vs bosses but can clean most areas and self heals are great. "Duelist" not as good at survival as chef but great boss killer and dps (A Rank I found to be good) "Barbarian" a close S rank with it's Good burst damage lots of health but i find myself getting hit a lot and just don't feel like it's S rank close but sorry. "Ronin" I like this guy feels great to play and with some builds can deal tons of damage and just makes you feel cool. "Pirate" His airship and ability to do both range and melee get him here lower damage and kind of feels slow but still fun overall. "Gunslinger" Not sure why but i do better with this class then ranger only part i don't like is ability i almost never use unless i really have to. "Knight" A very good basic class shield skill is ok but over all just a easy to use class that deals good damage. (Rank B OK to play as) "Ranger" had issues at the start but once i understood how to use it's ability better ranger really went up in ranks for me only reason it's this low and not a S or A rank is.....I suck at aiming :) "Astromancer" fun idea but needing to get close so often to deal damage is annoying for a mage like class ability is cool over all ok does better in some areas vs others, "Boxer" I find the basic attack kind of annoying and easy to get hit by some enemies however knock out punch is great for some high hp foes main issue is getting hit a lot and low base attack damage. "Valkyie" Great ability vs some bosses and foes but is a little slow and deals a to few damage for me not bad just not a huge winner for me. "Dragon Lancer" Feels kind of slow to me charge attack is nice and shield skill is good but i find myself often overestimating the shield time only to get hit in the face to much and like i said find the class a little to slow. (Rank C Don't like to play as or found weak) "Assassin" I feel like this class is odd in the fact i don't like it unless i have the right build for it but if get a good build going it can be A if not S Rank issue is most of the time i don't get that build and just die. (Rank D I avoid this class) "Mage" It's a shame since i love magic classes most of the time but i really REALLY don't like the mage in this game this class should be good but one issue spells are very hit and miss in the game and often only work good vs many foes or one and I just find myself wishing for more spells or a spell that works ok on bosses and groups but most spells just feel off to use and mage does not seem to deal much more damage with spells vs other classes....I just can't vibe with this class it could be good but it just feels like a lot of work to get it to even somewhat work. "Bard" I don't like spin kicking to deal damage and the fact i have to make sure to set up the notes for almost every fight drives me insane may deal good damage but just way to annoying for me to find fun. If you read to this point i just wanted to thank you. BYE
Chef is strong against bosses because you can attack and then dodge until burn ends. It makes Jonah a breeze since you’re basically running away from him the whole time. If you plan to be next to him during that flame attack that has “safe zones,” you can drain your mana on him (flame breath spell is absurdly strong). Similar to Cain, since dodging his attacks is much more important than dealing dmg quickly. Extra strong since you should be prioritizing INT for healing and burn dmg. I’ve cleared up to NG9 with it.
A few things you're missing on the Barbarian that help -- you can animation-cancel the ground attack recovery with a dash, and you skill crit if dashing during the air attack. Assassin - the recharge is 10 hits, but each 3rd attack that hits reduces it by 2. So 5 hits as only the 3rd attack counts. Knight - the shield is actually super forgiving, and you can dash through a pretty large dangerous area just by hitting dash + shield at the same time. And it applies vulnerable in an AoE. With all that said pretty much everything else I agree with (the thoughts, not necessarily the final tiers).
Barbarian is tippity top of S-tier for me. He can be rough for exploring so I just go Kerulean for the 2 guaranteed relics to check out, Poishon if I got good relics from Kerulean, and then start pushing bosses. He can full clear a fresh NG once he gets rolling unlike any other class.
The Hapheastus Barbarian is really good against bosses imo, especially the Estuary Irad bossfight. His spin will hit 2 enemies in the 2nd phase, put that plus flame barrier and a poison relic or vampire ability and the fight is a joke
For me the Gungslinger is my best class, ive come to like it a lot, but i do agree with the bias apart, Duelist is the best one, and from my experience, Gunslinger + Roll is insane. I really like the reload mechanic and the 8 bullets.
Great video. I would place Duelist, Valkyrie and Chef in S tier. Haven't played Boxer enough yet. I really like the fast slicing gameplay of Ronin and it's range. Probably S tier for me. Seems the enhanced weapons except for pizza and spoon aren't doing so well. Would it make sense to have a tier list for Exploration, Gold Farm, Bosses ?
A tier list for individual things makes sense cause some of these are situational on their placing. For example, Boxer is really bad vs the Naamah boss fight but great at the other boss fights.
I remember liking the barbarian when I first picked up the game, but when I came back months later I couldn't stand him. Did he always have such insane end lag on his basic attack or did I just not notice it initially?
Spoon Chef is amazing. Sometimes you want to take the time to angle your shots, but in boss fights, you can just spam spoons while you focus on dodging. He trivializes a few of the bosses, including Jonah and Cain.
I get that reloading your gun sometimes make you accidentally enter rooms and reset the health of the weakened enemies without resetting your own. But this is pretty rare and avoidable. Even if it wasn’t, though, how would this drawback make you any more likely to think you have reloaded when you hadn’t? I think the frustration with the character is that early reloads require a separate button, and a an early or delayed normal reload creates a misfire. That’s a skill issue though, one I myself do not have. The character should not be penalized for it.
“Getting hit is not something you want” vampires with 2x ambrosia and 2x rage tinctures disagree lol. Cheese bosses to oblivion Also, I’d say from experience that the best spell combo for mages is thundercloud and flame bellows. Had a crippling intellect run that I did extremely well with. The thundercloud’s vertical coverage compliments the bellows ability to obliterate the horizontal. Though for some reason the thundercloud does not benifet from zealot’s ring. Might be a bug. Should message the RL2 team about it.
Funnily to me barb is top 1 class for killing bosses because of the stupid amount hp, damage and ability to cancel most annoying attacks entirely (no dodging = more time to do raw damage). Add windwall and you can ignore like 80% of boss attacks and just kill them in seconds. Contrary to that, I can't play duelist at all because you are required constant jumping to have any reasonable dps to talk about and precise jumping is a hell to me (i can't do most of the no damage puzzles which have spikes above you) more so when you must attack in the same time.
Spoon Chef gives reliable crits that hit hard b/c they also scale with INT is EZ mode both clears and bosses, but I wish I was more skilled as Duelist since they're a lot of fun
Valkyrie's deflect is not as powerful as you claim. "Almost every projectile in the game" That's wrong, the opposite is true. Any projectile with echo, void, physical (spear, axe, etc.) and large projectiles can't be deflected. A lot of enemies, some bosses barely send projectiles that are deflect-able.
Not gonna comment on everything, have some different opinons here and there but overall would agree on most placements ( though of course,I think a big factor is personnal playstyle,and that depends on everyone's favorite way to play). So here's opinions on some alternative weapons. I think the worse alternate weapons are the explosive gloves and the arbalet however. The explosives gloves because they basically take what's good about the boxer and throw that out. His ko punch becomes worse,you can now self damage (the explosion radius is always biger than you think) and you basically have no use for your elusive trait ( why would you get close to ennemieswith that weapon?) You just lose way too much as a trade off for range and big damage (which boxer can already do imo better with his nade kit once you learn to use ko punch often as it recharges really quickly, let you throw annoying ennemies away/toward other ennemies, and the fast punches let you use artifacts better and use his elusive passive a lot more effectively, anyway). And arbalest is just too damn slow. My god. Would love to see someone play it well, because, turns out,there are often more than one ennemy in rooms. Meanwhile you're standing there,aiming, and taking around ten years to do the whole animation of readying the arrow, shooting it, getting out of the animation (which feels like it takes so long in game) AND NOW you can move again. There's way too many things either shooting at your position or moving toward you,to allow such a slow playstyle. Enormous damage isn't enough when it's that slow. Favorite alternare weapon as to be the spoon. I don't think it's much better or worse than chef base weapon but it's really fun. Sort of reminds me of hanzo from overwatch, having to calculate the best angle to get good bounces and stuff. And it's range and angle let you spam them rather safely which is good too. Finally , I wouldn't put the barbarian spin hammer so low (though not higher than C, barbarian is great if you can swap all of his ability because of his great stats, but that'q not a good compliment to the class, and otherwise I just don't like it's kit, especially as you said,the need to get hit to recharge his ability which isn't that strong, just feel bad and I end up not using it much) It's definitely my own preference however, as I just prefer it to the barbarian base weapon,which just feels clunky to me. Also just a small addition, I really wish you could "load" the electric guitar with more than one charge. Doesn't have to be a big number of charges, maybe like 5 or 6 max,but the constant back and forth of kick shoot gets annoying with just one charge max.
For me the best two are spoon chef (range, sustain and burn baseline is amazing, great for exploring but lacks movility/inmunity so not that great against trap rooms ir bosses) and Knight (good stats overall, decent range, arc attack above then to hit flying enemies easily, attack while moving, a parry that makes you a beast against the final boss, just great overall) And I don't think the duelist is the best (probably S-A but not best) since is kinda hard for him to hit flying enemies due to his "poking forward" hitbox and flying enemies are both the most numerous and the most anmoying enemies Also, eye guy boss is free kill with spoon, since it hits the first eye with the spoon, apply burn and then bounces, hit the other eye for a crit and also applies burn
Agree with a lot of this list but regular bard, bard doesn’t need to prepare or build up to do damage and can reliably crit. Obviously agree with bard need space to bounce around but notes do decent damage, can serve as hazards for enemies and can destroy projectiles. Play with them more, they’re B tier even A with the right relics
They didn't have those on the tierlist site, but at the end I talk about them. Astromancer is S tier, basically the really good version of mage. Pirate is around B tier imo, decently strong, but nothing crazy.
Good vid. Have some valid points. It is obvious though you have not played some of the classes enough. Points on dashing with the scythe mage you forgot to talk about it can aim up and down like a valkyrie during the dash.. def taking it out of the bot since mage can't aim up or down with reg attack. Enkindled boxer is gg as well. Knockout punch to build distance on mobs that dash and that builds the range for e z crits. I also noticed this was 2 days ago.. I think they were still called gunslingers and rangers 2 days ago. No archer name in the list anywhere :P makes your vid confusing to someone new when your giving incorrect ranger info
I'll have to give Boxer and Duelist more tries. I literally gave Boxer one try and basically said nope, never again, but I'll try to see what I didn't see before. Contrary to you, I like mage a lot. My first playthrough and mage has seen second most use behind Chef. Probably because I disliked mage and spells in general so much in the original RL that this game has improved on the magic system a lot.
Probably because you're using a controller tbh. It was pretty borderline impossible to use in my experience when I used a controller. If you're using keyboard and mouse and still hate it, it's probably because your attacks aren't aimed at the cursor (which you can change in gameplay settings.)
Electric Lute bard is S tier and also a great screen clearer if you have some projectiles shooting enemies. Jump even once> lute deals massive damage and It always crits.
I prefer the spoon variant of chef. It can sometimes be awkward to hit enemies, but when you get familiar with ceiling bounces it gets much easier. It also gives a lot of security when clearing because you can hit enemies from very unique angles
So you called the ranger the archer, then you called the gunslinger the ranger. This confused this absolute shit out of me, because I was playing while listening to this. Also, when you described the passive of the bard, you said that the dance stacks pop to do burst dmg, but this isn't true. You keep the dance stacks forever until you touch the ground. I also want to say that the bard passive is leagues above all other dmg passives, because it stacks to 5, each giving 15%, or 75% more dmg on everything you do. The trade off is worth it because it isn't the hardest thing in the world to keep the stacks (I'm not trying to be elitist about this, it is definitely easier in some places like bigger boss rooms and sun tower, vs smaller boss rooms and pishon dry lake). Even higher than boxer's innate combo, which gives 60% at 30 stacks, which then also get consumed by the talent. Not saying he's S tier, but for an example off the top of my head, I think he makes the axis mundi boss so easy because he has the best aoe, and there's lots of things to parry. I also want to bring attention to combining bard passive with other weapons which help keep you in the air really easily, like boxing gloves, lance, and reaper scythe. He also does have a defensive option unlike what you said, he has crescendo. Imo, a lot worse than shield, combat roll, obscura, but better than barbarian shout.
knight... I mean what can you say. It's basic has average stats a fairly average ability and basic mechanics. It just screams "well balanced allrounder".
You can avoid the lock in the scythe animation by dashing, and it's actually pretty good. Also, the best way to use it, is spamming the attack while staying above enemies. I think you should try it again...
you can and should be changing weapons and talents on a run. Therefore the classes with the highest health and best passives are the best and that puts duelist as the worst class in the game other than the bard
Pizza knight is f-tier because they didn't take the time to replace the shield with a pizza box for the block animation.
fun fact about ballistas and the archer class altogether, their ivy canopy can and will actually destroy most projectiles on contact, allowing you to safely sit at the top of the stage to do that big damage. (most of the time)
Bruh why I always forget about this 😔
Boxer has elusive skill innately, which helps him avoid contact damage on most enemies and bosses even, super good
Yeah, that's already good by itself, but imagine if you compound that with that trait were you can only get hit in the hearth and then maybe find the Icarus wings to gain flight.
Also, I think knockback effect with the special and uppercut causes cascade damage when enemies smash into walls and into each other; it lets you clear out crowded rooms with lots of small enemies very quickly.
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Astromancer is probably the only class that can use The Heavy Stone Bargain relic effectivly. Maybe the Ronin but I havent tried that class yet.
Bard. Bard as well - My absolute strongest run so far has been a ridiculously powerful Bard with the stone among other things, and enemies just absolutely melt.
I use it all the time as a ranger, the bow doing 100% more damage is pretty great. Just have to play more conservatively.
Uh? Barbarian with the spinning hammer is 100% the best class to grab Heavy stone, you toggle it on and that's it, it's always active, always double damage, enjoy melting EVERYTHING, although ballista ranger is a pretty good option too, there are a handful of classes that make good use of heavy stone
There's also Ballista Archer. And Hephaestus hammer... WHY HAVEN'T I TRIED THAT COMBO YET? maybe I have and I just don't remember it? cause I think I have now that I think about it...
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That's the best combo for my playstyle. It the always rotating hammer protects you from the homing projectiles that are very common in some areas in later game.
Nice vid, definitely agree that duelist is one of the best classes, those i-frames really help lmao.
Here is my list keep in mind I'm on my first game level 130 and have yet to beat the sun tower.
(S rank Very strong!) "Chef" not super good vs bosses but can clean most areas and self heals are great.
"Duelist" not as good at survival as chef but great boss killer and dps
(A Rank I found to be good) "Barbarian" a close S rank with it's Good burst damage lots of health but i find myself getting hit a lot and just don't feel like it's S rank close but sorry.
"Ronin" I like this guy feels great to play and with some builds can deal tons of damage and just makes you feel cool.
"Pirate" His airship and ability to do both range and melee get him here lower damage and kind of feels slow but still fun overall.
"Gunslinger" Not sure why but i do better with this class then ranger only part i don't like is ability i almost never use unless i really have to.
"Knight" A very good basic class shield skill is ok but over all just a easy to use class that deals good damage.
(Rank B OK to play as) "Ranger" had issues at the start but once i understood how to use it's ability better ranger really went up in ranks for me only reason it's this low and not a S or A rank is.....I suck at aiming :)
"Astromancer" fun idea but needing to get close so often to deal damage is annoying for a mage like class ability is cool over all ok does better in some areas vs others,
"Boxer" I find the basic attack kind of annoying and easy to get hit by some enemies however knock out punch is great for some high hp foes main issue is getting hit a lot and low base attack damage.
"Valkyie" Great ability vs some bosses and foes but is a little slow and deals a to few damage for me not bad just not a huge winner for me.
"Dragon Lancer" Feels kind of slow to me charge attack is nice and shield skill is good but i find myself often overestimating the shield time only to get hit in the face to much and like i said find the class a little to slow.
(Rank C Don't like to play as or found weak) "Assassin" I feel like this class is odd in the fact i don't like it unless i have the right build for it but if get a good build going it can be A if not S Rank issue is most of the time i don't get that build and just die.
(Rank D I avoid this class) "Mage" It's a shame since i love magic classes most of the time but i really REALLY don't like the mage in this game this class should be good but one issue spells are very hit and miss in the game and often only work good vs many foes or one and I just find myself wishing for more spells or a spell that works ok on bosses and groups but most spells just feel off to use and mage does not seem to deal much more damage with spells vs other classes....I just can't vibe with this class it could be good but it just feels like a lot of work to get it to even somewhat work.
"Bard" I don't like spin kicking to deal damage and the fact i have to make sure to set up the notes for almost every fight drives me insane may deal good damage but just way to annoying for me to find fun.
If you read to this point i just wanted to thank you. BYE
Chef is strong against bosses because you can attack and then dodge until burn ends. It makes Jonah a breeze since you’re basically running away from him the whole time. If you plan to be next to him during that flame attack that has “safe zones,” you can drain your mana on him (flame breath spell is absurdly strong). Similar to Cain, since dodging his attacks is much more important than dealing dmg quickly.
Extra strong since you should be prioritizing INT for healing and burn dmg. I’ve cleared up to NG9 with it.
man did the barb dirty, he's so op against bosses like Cain and jonah
wtf barbarian is super easy to do bosses with. Just face tank and blow up all projectiles
A few things you're missing on the Barbarian that help -- you can animation-cancel the ground attack recovery with a dash, and you skill crit if dashing during the air attack.
Assassin - the recharge is 10 hits, but each 3rd attack that hits reduces it by 2. So 5 hits as only the 3rd attack counts.
Knight - the shield is actually super forgiving, and you can dash through a pretty large dangerous area just by hitting dash + shield at the same time. And it applies vulnerable in an AoE.
With all that said pretty much everything else I agree with (the thoughts, not necessarily the final tiers).
you can also cancel barbarian's air attack landing lag by doing a kick before you hit the ground
Barbarian is tippity top of S-tier for me. He can be rough for exploring so I just go Kerulean for the 2 guaranteed relics to check out, Poishon if I got good relics from Kerulean, and then start pushing bosses. He can full clear a fresh NG once he gets rolling unlike any other class.
The Hapheastus Barbarian is really good against bosses imo, especially the Estuary Irad bossfight. His spin will hit 2 enemies in the 2nd phase, put that plus flame barrier and a poison relic or vampire ability and the fight is a joke
For me the Gungslinger is my best class, ive come to like it a lot, but i do agree with the bias apart, Duelist is the best one, and from my experience, Gunslinger + Roll is insane. I really like the reload mechanic and the 8 bullets.
Great video. I would place Duelist, Valkyrie and Chef in S tier. Haven't played Boxer enough yet. I really like the
fast slicing gameplay of Ronin and it's range. Probably S tier for me. Seems the enhanced weapons except for pizza and spoon
aren't doing so well. Would it make sense to have a tier list for Exploration, Gold Farm, Bosses ?
A tier list for individual things makes sense cause some of these are situational on their placing. For example, Boxer is really bad vs the Naamah boss fight but great at the other boss fights.
I remember liking the barbarian when I first picked up the game, but when I came back months later I couldn't stand him.
Did he always have such insane end lag on his basic attack or did I just not notice it initially?
Ranger imo is like s+++. Gun reload is not an issue at all.
Hover in air is amazing for any encounter. Full 360 aim is not to be ignored.
I love the duelist lol
Spoon Chef is amazing. Sometimes you want to take the time to angle your shots, but in boss fights, you can just spam spoons while you focus on dodging. He trivializes a few of the bosses, including Jonah and Cain.
As soon as I saw Duelist at the top I knew this guy was legit.
You can dash cancel the reaper hit. Do the first hit, dash backwards.
I get that reloading your gun sometimes make you accidentally enter rooms and reset the health of the weakened enemies without resetting your own. But this is pretty rare and avoidable. Even if it wasn’t, though, how would this drawback make you any more likely to think you have reloaded when you hadn’t? I think the frustration with the character is that early reloads require a separate button, and a an early or delayed normal reload creates a misfire. That’s a skill issue though, one I myself do not have. The character should not be penalized for it.
The astromancer absolutely nukes Irad.
Ranger? I thought it was gunslinger
i thought that the archer was the ranger lol
spoon chef absolutely destroys bosses. He's my S+ tier biggest downside is his squishiness, but in boss fights the soup helps.
“Getting hit is not something you want”
vampires with 2x ambrosia and 2x rage tinctures disagree lol. Cheese bosses to oblivion
Also, I’d say from experience that the best spell combo for mages is thundercloud and flame bellows. Had a crippling intellect run that I did extremely well with. The thundercloud’s vertical coverage compliments the bellows ability to obliterate the horizontal.
Though for some reason the thundercloud does not benifet from zealot’s ring. Might be a bug. Should message the RL2 team about it.
Yeah cracked rng fixes all
Funnily to me barb is top 1 class for killing bosses because of the stupid amount hp, damage and ability to cancel most annoying attacks entirely (no dodging = more time to do raw damage). Add windwall and you can ignore like 80% of boss attacks and just kill them in seconds.
Contrary to that, I can't play duelist at all because you are required constant jumping to have any reasonable dps to talk about and precise jumping is a hell to me (i can't do most of the no damage puzzles which have spikes above you) more so when you must attack in the same time.
Nothing more to add, I totally agree with what you said haha, especially for the bard 😂.
Spoon Chef gives reliable crits that hit hard b/c they also scale with INT is EZ mode both clears and bosses, but I wish I was more skilled as Duelist since they're a lot of fun
Valkyrie's deflect is not as powerful as you claim.
"Almost every projectile in the game" That's wrong, the opposite is true. Any projectile with echo, void, physical (spear, axe, etc.) and large projectiles can't be deflected. A lot of enemies, some bosses barely send projectiles that are deflect-able.
Not gonna comment on everything, have some different opinons here and there but overall would agree on most placements ( though of course,I think a big factor is personnal playstyle,and that depends on everyone's favorite way to play). So here's opinions on some alternative weapons.
I think the worse alternate weapons are the explosive gloves and the arbalet however.
The explosives gloves because they basically take what's good about the boxer and throw that out. His ko punch becomes worse,you can now self damage (the explosion radius is always biger than you think) and you basically have no use for your elusive trait ( why would you get close to ennemieswith that weapon?) You just lose way too much as a trade off for range and big damage (which boxer can already do imo better with his nade kit once you learn to use ko punch often as it recharges really quickly, let you throw annoying ennemies away/toward other ennemies, and the fast punches let you use artifacts better and use his elusive passive a lot more effectively, anyway).
And arbalest is just too damn slow. My god. Would love to see someone play it well, because, turns out,there are often more than one ennemy in rooms. Meanwhile you're standing there,aiming, and taking around ten years to do the whole animation of readying the arrow, shooting it, getting out of the animation (which feels like it takes so long in game) AND NOW you can move again. There's way too many things either shooting at your position or moving toward you,to allow such a slow playstyle. Enormous damage isn't enough when it's that slow.
Favorite alternare weapon as to be the spoon. I don't think it's much better or worse than chef base weapon but it's really fun. Sort of reminds me of hanzo from overwatch, having to calculate the best angle to get good bounces and stuff. And it's range and angle let you spam them rather safely which is good too.
Finally , I wouldn't put the barbarian spin hammer so low (though not higher than C, barbarian is great if you can swap all of his ability because of his great stats, but that'q not a good compliment to the class, and otherwise I just don't like it's kit, especially as you said,the need to get hit to recharge his ability which isn't that strong, just feel bad and I end up not using it much) It's definitely my own preference however, as I just prefer it to the barbarian base weapon,which just feels clunky to me.
Also just a small addition, I really wish you could "load" the electric guitar with more than one charge. Doesn't have to be a big number of charges, maybe like 5 or 6 max,but the constant back and forth of kick shoot gets annoying with just one charge max.
Enable flight choose barbarian and do infinite spin attack. Just fun as hell - to me at least.
For me the best two are spoon chef (range, sustain and burn baseline is amazing, great for exploring but lacks movility/inmunity so not that great against trap rooms ir bosses) and Knight (good stats overall, decent range, arc attack above then to hit flying enemies easily, attack while moving, a parry that makes you a beast against the final boss, just great overall)
And I don't think the duelist is the best (probably S-A but not best) since is kinda hard for him to hit flying enemies due to his "poking forward" hitbox and flying enemies are both the most numerous and the most anmoying enemies
Also, eye guy boss is free kill with spoon, since it hits the first eye with the spoon, apply burn and then bounces, hit the other eye for a crit and also applies burn
Pirate and astronomancer:🗿
Agree with a lot of this list but regular bard, bard doesn’t need to prepare or build up to do damage and can reliably crit. Obviously agree with bard need space to bounce around but notes do decent damage, can serve as hazards for enemies and can destroy projectiles. Play with them more, they’re B tier even A with the right relics
Thoughts on astromancer/pirate?
Pirate is B tier and Astromancer S tier. He talks about them near the end of the video.
They didn't have those on the tierlist site, but at the end I talk about them. Astromancer is S tier, basically the really good version of mage. Pirate is around B tier imo, decently strong, but nothing crazy.
@@cheesecakenl1980 btw i found out you can stay in the air forever with astromancer
Good vid. Have some valid points. It is obvious though you have not played some of the classes enough. Points on dashing with the scythe mage you forgot to talk about it can aim up and down like a valkyrie during the dash.. def taking it out of the bot since mage can't aim up or down with reg attack. Enkindled boxer is gg as well. Knockout punch to build distance on mobs that dash and that builds the range for e z crits. I also noticed this was 2 days ago.. I think they were still called gunslingers and rangers 2 days ago. No archer name in the list anywhere :P makes your vid confusing to someone new when your giving incorrect ranger info
I'll have to give Boxer and Duelist more tries. I literally gave Boxer one try and basically said nope, never again, but I'll try to see what I didn't see before. Contrary to you, I like mage a lot. My first playthrough and mage has seen second most use behind Chef. Probably because I disliked mage and spells in general so much in the original RL that this game has improved on the magic system a lot.
I thought duelist was mid until I found out how ridiculous its air attack speed is.
He called the ranger “archer” and the gunslinger “ranger” 😑
I find ranger to be unplayable. He is incredibly tedious and I absolutely dread that his scar is the next one I unlocked...
Probably because you're using a controller tbh. It was pretty borderline impossible to use in my experience when I used a controller. If you're using keyboard and mouse and still hate it, it's probably because your attacks aren't aimed at the cursor (which you can change in gameplay settings.)
Electric Lute bard is S tier and also a great screen clearer if you have some projectiles shooting enemies.
Jump even once> lute deals massive damage and It always crits.
i kill 4 bosses with the chef and the final boss
no no... if you have a "duelist" tier spinning barbarian has it's own too
I prefer the spoon variant of chef. It can sometimes be awkward to hit enemies, but when you get familiar with ceiling bounces it gets much easier. It also gives a lot of security when clearing because you can hit enemies from very unique angles
You really think the Astromancers ability has a cooldown of 9-10 SECONDS? It's literally half that...
So you called the ranger the archer, then you called the gunslinger the ranger. This confused this absolute shit out of me, because I was playing while listening to this.
Also, when you described the passive of the bard, you said that the dance stacks pop to do burst dmg, but this isn't true. You keep the dance stacks forever until you touch the ground. I also want to say that the bard passive is leagues above all other dmg passives, because it stacks to 5, each giving 15%, or 75% more dmg on everything you do. The trade off is worth it because it isn't the hardest thing in the world to keep the stacks (I'm not trying to be elitist about this, it is definitely easier in some places like bigger boss rooms and sun tower, vs smaller boss rooms and pishon dry lake). Even higher than boxer's innate combo, which gives 60% at 30 stacks, which then also get consumed by the talent. Not saying he's S tier, but for an example off the top of my head, I think he makes the axis mundi boss so easy because he has the best aoe, and there's lots of things to parry. I also want to bring attention to combining bard passive with other weapons which help keep you in the air really easily, like boxing gloves, lance, and reaper scythe.
He also does have a defensive option unlike what you said, he has crescendo. Imo, a lot worse than shield, combat roll, obscura, but better than barbarian shout.
"Valkeries are a better mage than mage"
Have you seen the INT stat on Valkeries, lmaooooo.
knight... I mean what can you say. It's basic has average stats a fairly average ability and basic mechanics. It just screams "well balanced allrounder".
Sonic is disappointed.
You can avoid the lock in the scythe animation by dashing, and it's actually pretty good. Also, the best way to use it, is spamming the attack while staying above enemies. I think you should try it again...
y I've found reaper to be my favourite class for farming coins. Not the best on some boss battles tho
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Assassin > duelist
Dude why do you need to blind everyone with the white screen. I can’t watch this
you can and should be changing weapons and talents on a run. Therefore the classes with the highest health and best passives are the best and that puts duelist as the worst class in the game other than the bard
My thoughts exactly watching this. Duelist is trash just reroll for his talent on a better class.