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"Reaper. A name used by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end....what you choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply.....are." - 🦑
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Marco gave the Martian separatists the star system that they wanted and call Laconia (the old name for Sparta) and the Laconians have mined their side of the Laconia Ring. Marco plans to control the Ring-space and control the access that humanity has to the other worlds. Babbage's bracelet was not part of the uniform and therefore unacceptable to wear since Laconians appear to be even more totalitarian than Mars might have been.
@@IanM92 Remember the principle of asymmetric warfare? As long as Marco controls Medina Station and the Ring-space he is actually able to control when/where all of the other political actors (Earth, Mars, Belt, Laconia, etc.) are able to travel outside of their selected star systems. Marco "gave" the separatists Laconia by granting them passage through the Ring-space to that system, rather than contesting it with them and causing grievous losses to both sides.
An Earther ( Holden ) a Martian ( Bobby ) and a Belter ( Naomi ) walked into a bar and Avasarala looked smiled and laughing to herself thought this was the real ending to that stupid joke.....lol
Ah yes, Laconia. The biggest Opening Credits easter egg this season. It's interesting to note that, back in S05E02 (Alex visiting the War College), Sauveterre wore a unique patch on his left shoulder: a black Spartan helmet over a yellow shield. Back then, old Sparta was located in a place called Laconia. And, as described by Babbage near the end of this episode, Laconia embodies a "truer" vision of what Mars was supposed to be. So yeah, neo-Spartans, but a lot more badass than the original ones. Funny how a 'dishonorable discharge' in Laconia automatically means an execution (or worse). Seriously, these guys makes Capt. Sobel in Band of Brothers look like Buddha.
When reading the books I just always called them Space Nazis. But your mention of the shoulder patch does make me wonder. How long has Admiral Duarte been planning this? Was there an original plan to overthrow the Martian government? Remember Babbage said “I’ve been waiting for this my entire life”. This makes me feel like Duarte and his hardcore faction have been around for quite a while. But the creation of the Ring and the promise of living worlds to conquer gave them a new focus.
@@technopirate304 Good question. I think the Laconians have more of a .. idealist-fundamentalist view when interpreting the Martian vision and philosophy. Clearly the mass exodus of the more pragmatic Martians affected them greatly, fearing obsolescence. Their faction probably started carrying out their plans just as the Roci was coming home from their first trip from the Ring, reaching out to Marco while doing a little "creative writing" down at Logistics. It's kinda sad though, what Mars is going through right now. You could even see it in the opening credits (specifically the Mariner Valley ext. shot), where a lot of the lights in the windows where shutting down.
@@technopirate304 Since the rings opened , new worlds became avalaible and Mars society lost its reason to be.. at that point when Mars began to fall its when certain hardcore military elements began to consider that their ideals are not shared by the majority of Martians anymore and they would be better off alone somewhere else .. then somehow they discover what lies on Laconia and that pulls their plans in motion. Bear in mind Laconia has been there since the very first episode of season 4.. when 4 Belter ships run the blockade and force their way into 4 rings.. one of them is the Barbapiccola to Illus.. the other 3 are said to not be heard of again.. but when Avasarala is explaining the issue to Holden one of the 4 rings is labeled as "Laconia".. oi havent read yet books 6 onward so my guess is that either those Belters found that thing plus more stuff on Laconia and made a deal with the rogue MCRN faction.. or that ship was MCRN undercover after all or infiltrated by MCRN agents who told their faction once they found that... Inaros plot however was in motion way before even the series started... the weapons smuggler Avasarala tortures in the first episode was working for Inaros.. not Mao.. Marco was allready ploting an attack with stealth coated rocks into Earth and probably Mars to make the Belt gain independence from the inners.. the whole protomolecule and ring worlds thing created the perfect chance so he gained support and resources faster and easier making him put his plan in motion much faster and with less oposition... even if at a lesser scale since he didnt needed to attack Mars beyond the parlament bombing as Mars was no longer a treat to his plans
The director played the audience's emotions like a pro .. Naomi almost dead, high emotions causing tears, Naomi saved, audience feels joy and happiness, seconds later Alex not responding .. a total rollercoaster
The character of Alex was the glue to the Rocinante family, as far as I was concerned. It’s unfortunate that the actor portraying him let us down, but the character of Alex was the grounding force behind keeping “the family” together. It was complicated by the fact that he abandoned his real family in search of his true purpose, but during the first two or three seasons it was Alex that cemented the simple needs of his makeshift family, and the importance of keeping them together. He cooked lasagna, he bonded with Amos and he stood by his captain and Naomi when things were dicey. I will always have a special place for Alex’s grit, and his tortured nature. I was so crushed by the actions of the actor, but will not let those actions ruin the good impression that his character left with me.
Very well said, and I feel the exact same way. The actor may be a complete scumbag in real life, but the character of Alex was so lovable and so important to the Roci and its crew, and he cared about all of them so much that he made them into his new family and the Roci into his new home. His death didn't even hit me at all until they had the scene with Holden and Naomi in the med bay when Holden said that Alex's ex-wife would handle the funeral arrangements. Once Holden said that, it finally hit home, and I actually borderline wept at the death of a fictional character for the first time in many, many years. The actor may be a piece of garbage, but Alex Kamal is forever. Rest in power, compadre.
@@abdimojo8794 yes, allegedly he was being inappropriate with some people. Details are somewhat sketchy, but the scandal was enough to remove him from the show.
@@abdimojo8794 Yeah you almost don't want to know lol He was sexually predatory towards young women, some underaged, and seemingly had a long history of coersion. There's just too much and too many years of evidence to be fabricated. That said, I grew up in small-town Saskatchewan like Cas and as a Pakistani guy (Gas is Persian), I loved seeing a guy like me with a similar background on TV as a good guy. So his actions are not only disgusting but also incredibly disappointing.
Regarding what Cortazar is doing and without any spoilers: Remember, maybe rewatch, the conversation Alex and Babbage had in that Bar in ep2, and what Babbage wanted to know. It's all in there.
The deal between Marco and the Martian's was the protomolecule, cortezar and the Laconia system in exchange for the Martian ships and allowing the Belters to control the ring space.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Not likely, it was a sealed container shipped intact. Though you would need something amazing from the past to use it. Mars obviously found something, but Marco only cares about the belt and the Sol system, most belters can't live in a standard heavy gravity of a planet like those in the rings.
@@gpaje Regarding his thinking I think I you're right. But if he did want to keep some there would surely be a way. But still you'd think he'd try to get some just in case, but then again maybe he doesn't want to take the risk and have the hazard.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Sure, though I wonder if the protomolcule is active in that way anymore, since it's done it's job in creating the ring gate, it would have gotten instructions to stop absorbing bio matter. Though it has other powers, such as being able to communicate with builder machines. Though that probably isn't Marco's interest, he isn't really interested in other worlds, but being in control of Sol system and who gets to use the gates.
I don't think Marco was so desperate to destroy the Roci because it was a symbol of Earth, Mars and the Belt working together. He wanted it destroyed because his ego cannot stand that Naomi loves Holden, not him. Everything is personal with Marco. If they follow the books, they might explain the deal between Marco and the Martian traitors next season.
It can be a multitude of reasons, it doesn't have be only 1 reason. Another reason is what naomi said a few episode ago, "Holden is everything Marco pretends to be" and that makes Marco insecure about himself.
Malignant narcissism with borderline personality disorder and a heaping of barely restrained rage. It will instantly be personal the minute someone crosses him, because it's a direct challenge to his ego and his sense of entitlement. Basically he's a smarter, more charismatic version of Trump...in spaaaaaace...
@@operatorlink it COULD be many reasons...but literally everything in Marco's life he views as a reflection of himself. He is a dyed-in-the-wool narcissist abuser. Naomi 'had a hold on him' because a beautiful, intelligent woman who he had entrapped finally saw him for what he was and she ultimately paid any cost it took t be rid of him. He didn't love her - she was a prize that said, "oh look, I have this hot genius under my thumb, that makes me look great," and when she left, he lost a mirror to fancy himself in. Remember, his initial plan was for Naomi to die on the Roci with the Augustin-Gammara sabotage. He didn't know that she had gone hunting for Filip, or that Filip et al had captured her. He was happy to kill her along with Holden and the Roci to make himself feel better. He's a small man, and everything IS personal to Marco because Marco's world consists only of himself.
Marco's Ice Queen that served on Drummer's ship actually mentioned in a previous episode that Marco wanted the Roci destroyed because the crew represented Earth, Martians, and Belters working together. From the books, the reader detects a lot of jealousy of Holden by Marco. Perhaps we will see more of that in Season 6.
I just realized something. The Barkeiths destruction I thought about what Proto Miller said back in season 3. Go into a room too fast kid. The room eats you. We all thought he was talking about the gate, but what if he was warning Holden about the protomolecule destroyers?
Of note - The way Alex died, is how Fred actually died in the books so... while it definitely was a change from the books, it was at least tied in, in a way that makes sense.
The closing credits on this episode captured such an amazing feeling of epic, ominous dread. Initially, I was left with the impression that after all this time, Alex's death felt short-changed. But the more I thought about it, that's how real life is. There is no foreshadowing, no buildup; someone's here one minute, and then they're gone forever. A real kick-ass episode.
If you get a chance, watch Ty and That Guy about this episode. Family family family. Naomi tries to save her son. Alex and Holden try to save Naomi. Then Naomi tries to save Alex. Amos tries to save Peaches. Drummer tries to save Naomi's friends when she can't save Naomi.. In every case they go all out and risk their own lives for their loved ones.
I like watching Ty and That Guy! It's so cool that they talk to the cast and crew about the episode and its just so well done! It's exciting that they are going back and doing an episode for each of the past shows. I can't wait to check those episodes out as well!
I'm in the process of rewatching the whole show with a friend who didn't know it yet and I just yesterday noticed another detail I had missed before: in Season 1 while lying on the roof, stargazing, Crisjen tells her grandson that she is worried about people throwing rocks..... wow... I love how everytime I watch this show, I notice some new detail that foreshadows later events.
It's often referenced, in fact. She says it like 3/4 times on the show. There is so much more... The belter's unrest, black sky being mentioned next to Inaros faction, or the pilot of the weaping somnabulist harboring the same symbol the free navy has on her jacket. There is a lot of building for this. Things easy to miss. Watching it a second time made me realise how much attention to detail they had.
@@gerardlacroix6015 absolutely, yes! this will be more like my third watch for most of the show and I'm still finding some new little details. It's great :)
There are parts of your yourself that can't compromise, even for the people you love the most. The moment when Oksana asked Drummer to give up on that by not letting them save Naomi, to save their family, that is when she lost Drummer. It's never easy and costs too much all the time, but is what separates her from becoming like Erinwright, Mao and Marco. If Oksana can't understand that, she does not deserve Camina. "Purity", "One mind, one cause", "Zero tolerance to weakness", you know, I haven't read all the books, but this kind of speech gives a good idea of what kind of society is going to be build on Laconia, and if that is not scary enough on its own, the fact they have access to protomolecule tech, really scares more. I haven't been this jaw-dropped with this show since the Ring came out of Venus, this was the best finale since season 3. Like Alex said, that was one hell of a ride. And now we'll have to wait at least another year or so for its conclusion. Oh well, now we wait and hope for the epic conclusion of this saga. Phenomenal reactions guys!
At a ring near Uranus we got a R.U.D. of the Barkheath (rapid unscheduled disassembly). There are so many questions about the floaty orange aliens I hope season 6 gets to. After Pandora opened her box all that was left was hope.
By all means, read the books. You'll find a lot of interesting things that you didn't see in the series that are in the books. You'll also find the novellas are worth reading as well.
I think Kat's right about the message being a goodbye to Alex. The whole Naomi's unopened message was briefly interspersed in there through the season, and I think it was easy enough for them to have done in post, so that when they made the call to kill off Alex, it'd be easy to build a minor plot point and not make it seem so sudden. I think they could have focused a bit more on the screen monitor in the Screaming Firehawk showing he was having fatal brain trauma, or maybe a bit more in the lead-up to that hard decel, but I think it was handled as well as it could be in the midst of a pandemic and restricted shooting. It's a nice send-off for the character, doing what he loved to save someone he loved, and luck just caught up with him. And yeah, my favourite scene in this episode was definitely Naomi in space, such a beautiful, terrifying scene
@@robertwsaul "When the destroyers came for us, we attacked. Never had we been defeated. They are like the others. Strange, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only these were not like the others. They did not die. We made our first retreat. We could forego one system. We left it to the destroyers and went elsewhere. But they followed, they hunted us. They followed us when we retreated, discovered where we lived. For a long time, we did not know why they chased us. They were no ordinary enemy. They did not seek our territory, our technology, our resources. Now we know our crime was sin." Freespace owned.
Remember the opening of episode 1? Where Elvi talked about the builders destroyers? Laoconia was the region in Ancient Greece where the Spartans came from. Also Cortrazar in a good mood is scary as hell. His passion for the protomolecule is a very bad thing.
It could very well not have a double meaning from the show runners, but the “that was one hell of a ride” line from Alex feels like a send off from the actor (not that he is owed one) as well.
Alex was never meant to stay grounded on Mars. He never would've retired from the Roci willingly, and his relationship with his ex and his son could never return to what it was before he abandoned them. Had he simply been maimed and forced into retirement, he would've been miserable on a changed Mars, unable to fly, estranged from his family. This way Alex goes out a hero and his ex and son will at least have memories of a better side to a flawed husband and father to look back on.
This episode of the Expanse was one of the best episodes of TV programming that I've ever seen and I watch a lot of TV! It had pretty much everything you could want in a TV show. Excitement, gripping drama, intense battles, suspense, misdirections, sadness, but even a few laughs too. It was an incredible episode indeed!! I enjoyed watching your reaction!
Who the hell gives Kat hate for the Mass Effect comments? The parallels between the two franchises are undeniable so far, and such similarities are not to be taken as a negative at all.
small correction: marco did`nt go through the laconia gate with the roge martians, they concered the ring space. These former martians are a new faction, and shut themselfes off (installed a mine field behind the laconia gate). They made a deal with marco: martian battleships for the protomolcule and the laconia system.
What they did with Alex was beautifully done. They treated the actor, and the character with dignity. in the "war ship Rocinante" scene...and in this episode, Holden is his most bad ass when Naomi is in danger.
I understand that Alex's death felt a little 'sudden',.. but that's a stroke for you. Nobody really see's it coming. And I think it's actually the best way they could have done it. We've been hearing for 5 seasons how 'dangerous' being juiced and maintaining Hard Burns are, "we could stroke out",.. "eventually one of those blood vessels in your heads gonna pop", etc, etc. It needed to be real eventually, and the old grizzled pilot pushing it hard to save his family is the perfect moment for it.
The rescue of Naomi was even cooler in the book because Bobby rode in on her on a torpedo. A very powerful scene anyway. And Alex didn't die. They had to kill him off here because "problems" with his actor Cas Anvar.
The red stuff that took out the Barkeith as it was going through the Ring gate to the Laconia system at the end of the episode were the alien race that wiped out the Builders who made the Protomolecule and the Ring network. We woke them up by going through the gates, so they aren’t happy with us. Alex let it slip earlier in the season when he told Babbage that the small blob of Protomolecule on the Rocinante turned on all of the Builder tech on Ilus. So, Adml Duarte and Cortisar (?) are using their sample that they obtained from Marco to do the same in the Laconia system. The Rogue Mars faction lead by Duarte mined the Laconian side of the Ring so that no one else can come through. Marco told Adml Salvatore to tell Duarte that they understand and that the Laconian system was theirs while Salvatore accepted that Marco has control of the Sol system. The bracelet was just to show how hardline the Laconia Empire is going to be. Marco knows that most Belters can’t live on big planets (at least not without meds from the Inners) and that even splitting up to new systems will result in the end of Belter culture. What he wants is an self-sufficient Belter nation that controls the Sol system and the Ring network access as well as to suppress the Inners for how they treated the people of the Belt. The problem that he doesn’t see, is that he made every Belter an enemy of the Inners, who have larger and highly trained and disciplined navies. Not every Belter will appreciate Marco for that. And even if he didn’t do what he did to Earth, making the Belt self-sustainable would probably take decades. He has five years to fix that problem before the Belt begins to starve. And it would probably take a decade for Earth’s ecosystem to recover enough to help them, that is, if they weren’t at war with the Inners. That first battle scene deserves to be seen in slow motion. The attention to detail is a thing of beauty. Lastly, we saw Marco setup that meteor strike on the Earth and Mars battleships guarding the Ring earlier in the season on a holodisplay. I noticed that after I rewatched the season.
Kat , you called it with having Bobbie use the suit! Having watched many reaction videos, the two of you are quite sharp in figuring out each situation, Im really enjoying your channel, thanks!
I love this series. This is definitely the best season and I can't wait for next one. Looks like the Martians are going to be the main bad guys. They may need more than 8 episodes to finish things up.
For sure. The show runners have been pacing the series at one season per book so far: I don't know how they can wrap up the final three books in one season without pulling a GoT season 8.
The bracelet was just a bracelet. I thought the dispatch of the Maritans could have been more horrific, because to me with time just stopping, it just looked like the show was presenting this new danger to us. Could have had more screaming. :) Thanks for the awesome review and reaction guys!
@Love Smite Another review show had some passages from the book where it's described from the captain's POV. Was still hoping for something more horrific, like when people explode in Raised by Wolves. But the ring wraiths are nothing but tidy. :)
That finale was easily the best and most powerful finale The Expanse has ever had, and it's not even close. The season 3 finale is probably in 2nd place, but it's definitely a DISTANT second place after this one. This episode might possibly even be one of the best episodes this show has ever had, and that's even putting it up against two other episodes from this same season, in my opinion. From this season, episodes 4, 7, and the finale might just be the very best episodes this show has ever aired, and this season is EASILY the best season of this show BY FAR. This show is firing on absolutely all cylinders right now, and I cannot wait until season 6 comes out! Thank you for your reactions all season, and thank you for showing me there are other people out there who are as emotionally invested in this show as I am!
Did you know Peaches is nicknamed that because of the desert? I'm pretty sure you didn't! Seriously: I'm so excited to see you react to this episode been refreshing youtube all day. Here we go!!
Well, actually they just said in this video that they knew it from the first drop... I think it's a regional thing. In some parts of the world, this is a very very well known dessert.
Loved your reaction guys! Kat I cried with you. The choice that Holden made was him basically willing to go on a suicide mission to buy Alex and Bobbie some time to save Naomi. Man he’s a great captain. Drummer finally made a choice and chose to stand up against Marco and I loved it! That ending was ominous and I can’t wait to learn more about the beings that killed the protomolecule builders. Despite some small nitpicks I enjoyed this season.
Those Heavy Frigates and Destroyers floating through space with that music....it reminds me of sharks! The name of the planet towards the end is Laconia. It WILL come into play, though this is happening earlier than what happened in the books. Good job watching through the end credits.
I love this (book) series. The story is great and the characters amazing and well thought out, with great character developments. And every now and than there comes a game changer, like the protomolecule, than you kinda thing o this might be a way the story is going and suddenly there is a ring gate and than suddenly the ring space with a lot of gates and alien planets, than Marcos bombards earth with meteorites! and now .... Well we will see next season, but all the twists are awesome and sometimes horrifying ;) Fun little fact from the books, in the books Fred Johnson actually survives the coup on Tycho and dies later( i think one book later) on the Roci due to a stroke from a high burn maneuver, just like Alex.
Been waiting for this all day. If you get to rewatch, the computer screens next to Alex shows a brain scan, with multiple lesions, and there was a reference to hi g strokes earlier in the episode. Just 12 months to wait till the final season :( (expecting it will finish off in a movie)
Is it only me, i heard Naomi's message in Alex"s voice in my head, RIP Alex Kamal Best Roci Pilot Ever Those high G drugs are strong stuff, it even stopped the blinking lights in the back ground when they showed Alex
@40:00, the bracelet was just a bracelet. However, it wasn’t part of her military dress uniform. Admiral Sauveterre was basically telling her that the new regime is going to be even more hardcore than Mars. Her only choice was to hand it over or get the “or worse” treatment.
Pretty cool how detective Miller from season 2 mirrors Johnny from cyverpunk, both were replicates of personalities , Johnny by the relic and Miller by the molecule, hopefully we see more of the ancient's tech in season 6
Here is a good breakdown of the battles. ruclips.net/video/h1AEHK8oQeA/видео.html . Basically the Roci used the missiles fired by Drummer and Josep as a distraction so that they can fire off their railgun. They fire on the Koto twice as they fly past it, and with the Serrio Mal you can see the Roci in the distance flying past while pivoting as it fires it's railgun at least five times.
I'm sure someone else has pointed this out but in the intro you can see the Laconia ring with a MCRN ship transiting, and after that you can see laconia next to an MCRN ship... as well as something orbiting laconia that is marked only with (?) Ain't that interesting ;)?
I’m glad you two didn’t get into discussing Cas’ real life issues, but I’m also glad you acknowledged their existence. If only because losing his character is not just a tremendous departure from the books (which would cause definite story ramifications should the series ever continue), but considering the rather nonchalant way the storyline death occurred - especially for a main character, anyone not already aware of those issues (or the presence of mind to Google his name), would likely be more than a bit confused, if not a bit taken aback at the way it was all handled. Ooookay, with that said, now onto Season 6!
The situation with the actor who played Alex meant that they had to rewrite certain character arcs. It should have been Fred Johnson who died from a stroke after a high-G burn but they chose to write Alex out of the story rather than replace the actor so they retasked that death to give the character an exit and instead had Fred die in an attack he survived in the book. My guess is Bull is going to slot into some of the future plot where Alex should have been and maybe Peaches taking on other bits.
The Expanse is spectacular! But maybe the best part of it is what we're not seeing, we've got all these POVs and we experience these events with them but at the same time something huge is happening in the background. This is the best kind of storytelling and woldbuilding there is.
Been waiting for reactions of this episode to drop. Top 3 episode for me, great all around - felt like a movie, almost; still pissed at Cas, but - I liked how Alex was written out of it. Will miss his character greatly.
Definitely agree. A proper and realistic death for the character, which mirrors one in the books. They handled it well. Such a shame Cas is a creep, but I think Bull as the new pilot will be pretty awesome
After watching this season, it's time to jump into the audio books and really immerse myself. That rescue scene was reminiscent of the scene from GoT's Battle of the Bastards episode; Jon Snow just being smothered and felt like he was drowning trying to gasp for air. It was very well done and a bit emotional. The sound too was very well done with Bobbie in one ear and then attaching the oxygen. Who else held their breath unintentionally when Naomi was floating out there with her air finally used up? Meanwhile, Drummer had to go through so much this season and it finally paid off. When she finally made contact with Holden, wish there would have been more dialogue.
@Darkstar Most definitely. However, it feels like everyone else wants Marco too, so we’ll have to see what happens in the next season. If I catch up with the books, I’ll probably find out what happens to him sooner whether the next few books or two. 😅
Pretty sure Sauvaterre and Babbage got "erased" by the builder's nemesis. Looks like we can chalk up partial responsibility of "volunteering" the human species for a proxy war between 2 ancient godlike species to Marco. Seriously , F Marco.
@@KatSonny yes, I did not read the book and it's just a guess. So that's just a potential problem, it is this kind of short sightedness combined with Marco's charisma that make this kind of leader so dangerous. Really, the rebel Martians should have enough sense to reign their partner in and if this potential happens, it's more their fault.... but... F Marco, I am going to hang this one on him too. :D
In the aftershow for this episode they mentioned that Alex took Fred's death from the books since he survived the attack from Sakai in the books, it was Fred who dies from a hard G burn since he's also older, like Alex. His death was really well done in my opinion. "That was one hell of a ride" - Alex Kamal I believe because Cortazar used the protomolecule sample to turn on the builder artifacts on Laconia they entities inside the ringspace and inside the god's eye finaly woke up mad like Holden predicted the earlier episodes. And so it ate Sauveterre ship instead of letting is pass through. (I think it just dematerialized the whole ship)
This is the first season i watched after reading the book. It did not detract from my enjoyment at all. I think i actually enjoyed it more than I otherwise would have.
18.55 That look from Kat when Sonny realises it's a ship. Wonderful. Great reaction as always guys. Look forward to watching season six with you (when it arrives).
Caught up with the whole series as well as all of your reactions in just a couple of weeks. It was fun to see Sonny grow his hair out basically in timelapse😅
Decided to give you guys a look before I watch Wandavision at midnight. What an amazing season ending. Sad that Alex had to go but great to have the crew back together. I was touched too. Loved when Drummer identified herself.
48:07 i think the way the guy folded when getting kicked out was done pretty realistically. it's counterintuitive because we are not used to zero-G but i'm pretty sure it was depicted realistically.
@Darkstar it looks CGI fake as all hell. Correction: I watched the thing again, and I can see where he kicked him, the spine didn't bend the way I first saw it. Still looks like very bad CGI in my opinion
If you ever need to get your Expanse fit during the wait for season 6, read up on the Goths ("the reapers") and the Romans (protomolecule builders). You can just read up on a wiki and limit yourself to the show info so you don't get the spoilers from books. But there is a lot of info strewn across the 5 seasons about the relationship and what is happening. People just don't put it together usually cause it's all little details mentioned here and there. Like Holden literally showed the Goths to Fred this season and said that he thinks they don't like people going through the ring gates, and you could've seen them when Barkeith went Dutchman (it's what they call it in the books).
Woot! Helluva cliffhanger to end on, right? Why would any of us expect anything different, at this point? I haven't read Book 6, yet, so I'm as much in the dark as anybody else. Now, I have to figure out whether or not to read it before the END OF THE YEAR. That's *so far away*. As for Alex, well, they had to do something because of Cas Anwar's foolishness. How sad. I think they handled it as best they could, and I think Kat got it right. Naomi's message becomes a eulogy for Alex. I didn't expect Naomi to jump out of the airlock. I thought Bobbie would go in and get her, though, or send in her armor, remotely piloted, to get Naomi. They definitely took a few ideas from Gravity, with Sandra Bullock. Also, "Laconia" is the name of the administrative district in southeastern Greece. In the past, it was the land owned and controlled by the city-state of Sparta. So, they named the system after the Spartans of classical antiquity.
In the fandom, the creatures you call the Reapers are often referred to as The Goths, the reference being that the Roman Empire was famous for building roads (in this case, the ring network) but the the Roman Empire eventually fell to the Goths.
one of the hardest things for this show to grab people straight away is the space battles and how they play out. Once you understand the chain of events in this battle in particular, especially with the roci absolutely destroying the battleship with its railgun....... I mean for the first few times rewatching it over, I was thinking "is that a drone orrrr....what is that?"......That's the Roci from front on, using the railgun. Looks like a little round drone, but yeah, just an angle of the roci we haven't really seen before. This show certainly doesn't hold your hand and you have to use the old noodle. Hence why it isn't all things to all men. But us fans..... we know what's up. Nothing even comes close. Nothing. It took me a while to understand thrust gravity and that the floors on ships are perpendicular to the thrusters. Once the penny dropped though, my mind was absolutely blown.
It's been hinted by the creators that while the 6th season will be the final season, there are plans to do more with the IP, implying a spinoff, sequel series (that may cover the last books), or even a later resumption of the series (which could also cover the last books). It comes from a recent interview.
Also, it has been sort of set up that Bull is a good pilot. He got them through a couple of fights quite well, he's very capable. With Peaches in the mix that's an interesting 5.
I don't think Amazon is going to agree to doing the last 3 seasons until the final book is out and published. They don't want to get into a Game of Thrones situation. They want to read the last book in the arc before signing a contract.
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"Reaper. A name used by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end....what you choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply.....are." - 🦑
that emoji lmao
Can't wait for that conversation in the remaster !!!
Goddamn Mass Effect references... 👍🏼👌 The kind of sh*t I need right now.
How excited are you for the legendary edition? I watched the trailer, my jaw dropped, I read 2 articles explaining what it entailed and before I knew it, I'd pre-ordered it. This time for the PS4 Pro rather than Xbox, which will make it an even newer experience.
Amos: "C'mon 'Dad' said it's okay to have a slumber party."
Marco gave the Martian separatists the star system that they wanted and call Laconia (the old name for Sparta) and the Laconians have mined their side of the Laconia Ring. Marco plans to control the Ring-space and control the access that humanity has to the other worlds. Babbage's bracelet was not part of the uniform and therefore unacceptable to wear since Laconians appear to be even more totalitarian than Mars might have been.
How did Marco give it to them?
@@IanM92 Remember the principle of asymmetric warfare? As long as Marco controls Medina Station and the Ring-space he is actually able to control when/where all of the other political actors (Earth, Mars, Belt, Laconia, etc.) are able to travel outside of their selected star systems. Marco "gave" the separatists Laconia by granting them passage through the Ring-space to that system, rather than contesting it with them and causing grievous losses to both sides.
An Earther ( Holden ) a Martian ( Bobby ) and a Belter ( Naomi ) walked into a bar and Avasarala looked
smiled and laughing to herself thought this was the real ending to that stupid joke.....lol
Kat: "I feel like punching something"
Glad I'm on my side of the screen
Ah yes, Laconia. The biggest Opening Credits easter egg this season.
It's interesting to note that, back in S05E02 (Alex visiting the War College), Sauveterre wore a unique patch on his left shoulder: a black Spartan helmet over a yellow shield. Back then, old Sparta was located in a place called Laconia. And, as described by Babbage near the end of this episode, Laconia embodies a "truer" vision of what Mars was supposed to be. So yeah, neo-Spartans, but a lot more badass than the original ones.
Funny how a 'dishonorable discharge' in Laconia automatically means an execution (or worse). Seriously, these guys makes Capt. Sobel in Band of Brothers look like Buddha.
When reading the books I just always called them Space Nazis.
But your mention of the shoulder patch does make me wonder. How long has Admiral Duarte been planning this? Was there an original plan to overthrow the Martian government? Remember Babbage said “I’ve been waiting for this my entire life”.
This makes me feel like Duarte and his hardcore faction have been around for quite a while. But the creation of the Ring and the promise of living worlds to conquer gave them a new focus.
the or worse was the "pens" and I won't say more because spoilers but yeah, i'd prefer to be shot lol
@Darkstar Hmmm I will look back at the episode I maybe misheard Babbage
@@technopirate304 Good question. I think the Laconians have more of a .. idealist-fundamentalist view when interpreting the Martian vision and philosophy. Clearly the mass exodus of the more pragmatic Martians affected them greatly, fearing obsolescence.
Their faction probably started carrying out their plans just as the Roci was coming home from their first trip from the Ring, reaching out to Marco while doing a little "creative writing" down at Logistics.
It's kinda sad though, what Mars is going through right now. You could even see it in the opening credits (specifically the Mariner Valley ext. shot), where a lot of the lights in the windows where shutting down.
@@technopirate304 Since the rings opened , new worlds became avalaible and Mars society lost its reason to be.. at that point when Mars began to fall its when certain hardcore military elements began to consider that their ideals are not shared by the majority of Martians anymore and they would be better off alone somewhere else .. then somehow they discover what lies on Laconia and that pulls their plans in motion.
Bear in mind Laconia has been there since the very first episode of season 4.. when 4 Belter ships run the blockade and force their way into 4 rings.. one of them is the Barbapiccola to Illus.. the other 3 are said to not be heard of again.. but when Avasarala is explaining the issue to Holden one of the 4 rings is labeled as "Laconia".. oi havent read yet books 6 onward so my guess is that either those Belters found that thing plus more stuff on Laconia and made a deal with the rogue MCRN faction.. or that ship was MCRN undercover after all or infiltrated by MCRN agents who told their faction once they found that...
Inaros plot however was in motion way before even the series started... the weapons smuggler Avasarala tortures in the first episode was working for Inaros.. not Mao.. Marco was allready ploting an attack with stealth coated rocks into Earth and probably Mars to make the Belt gain independence from the inners.. the whole protomolecule and ring worlds thing created the perfect chance so he gained support and resources faster and easier making him put his plan in motion much faster and with less oposition... even if at a lesser scale since he didnt needed to attack Mars beyond the parlament bombing as Mars was no longer a treat to his plans
The director played the audience's emotions like a pro .. Naomi almost dead, high emotions causing tears, Naomi saved, audience feels joy and happiness, seconds later Alex not responding .. a total rollercoaster
The character of Alex was the glue to the Rocinante family, as far as I was concerned. It’s unfortunate that the actor portraying him let us down, but the character of Alex was the grounding force behind keeping “the family” together.
It was complicated by the fact that he abandoned his real family in search of his true purpose, but during the first two or three seasons it was Alex that cemented the simple needs of his makeshift family, and the importance of keeping them together. He cooked lasagna, he bonded with Amos and he stood by his captain and Naomi when things were dicey. I will always have a special place for Alex’s grit, and his tortured nature.
I was so crushed by the actions of the actor, but will not let those actions ruin the good impression that his character left with me.
Nicely said
Very well said, and I feel the exact same way. The actor may be a complete scumbag in real life, but the character of Alex was so lovable and so important to the Roci and its crew, and he cared about all of them so much that he made them into his new family and the Roci into his new home. His death didn't even hit me at all until they had the scene with Holden and Naomi in the med bay when Holden said that Alex's ex-wife would handle the funeral arrangements. Once Holden said that, it finally hit home, and I actually borderline wept at the death of a fictional character for the first time in many, many years. The actor may be a piece of garbage, but Alex Kamal is forever. Rest in power, compadre.
I am sorry I am not familiar. Did some drama occur behind the scenes with actor?
@@abdimojo8794 yes, allegedly he was being inappropriate with some people. Details are somewhat sketchy, but the scandal was enough to remove him from the show.
@@abdimojo8794 Yeah you almost don't want to know lol
He was sexually predatory towards young women, some underaged, and seemingly had a long history of coersion. There's just too much and too many years of evidence to be fabricated.
That said, I grew up in small-town Saskatchewan like Cas and as a Pakistani guy (Gas is Persian), I loved seeing a guy like me with a similar background on TV as a good guy. So his actions are not only disgusting but also incredibly disappointing.
Regarding what Cortazar is doing and without any spoilers:
Remember, maybe rewatch, the conversation Alex and Babbage had in that Bar in ep2, and what Babbage wanted to know. It's all in there.
Ep2 of S5? Not Ep3?
She wanted to know how they turned on the machines on that planet, right?
@@the_lordofthedings Yes. What had turned them on, more exactly.
Fun Fact: "Sagarmatha" is the nepalese word for Mount Everest, meaning "Goddess of the Sky".
When the tequila hit the deck, I had a creepy thought "that may be the last true batch of tequila made on Earth, ever".....asteroid winter, bad luck.
The deal between Marco and the Martian's was the protomolecule, cortezar and the Laconia system in exchange for the Martian ships and allowing the Belters to control the ring space.
And the Sol system - all theirs, since they control the ring. At least for a while.
@Darkstar Surely he kept some for himself? Anyone responding, no books spoilers pls.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Not likely, it was a sealed container shipped intact. Though you would need something amazing from the past to use it. Mars obviously found something, but Marco only cares about the belt and the Sol system, most belters can't live in a standard heavy gravity of a planet like those in the rings.
@@gpaje
Regarding his thinking I think I you're right. But if he did want to keep some there would surely be a way. But still you'd think he'd try to get some just in case, but then again maybe he doesn't want to take the risk and have the hazard.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Sure, though I wonder if the protomolcule is active in that way anymore, since it's done it's job in creating the ring gate, it would have gotten instructions to stop absorbing bio matter. Though it has other powers, such as being able to communicate with builder machines. Though that probably isn't Marco's interest, he isn't really interested in other worlds, but being in control of Sol system and who gets to use the gates.
I don't think Marco was so desperate to destroy the Roci because it was a symbol of Earth, Mars and the Belt working together. He wanted it destroyed because his ego cannot stand that Naomi loves Holden, not him. Everything is personal with Marco. If they follow the books, they might explain the deal between Marco and the Martian traitors next season.
It can be a multitude of reasons, it doesn't have be only 1 reason.
Another reason is what naomi said a few episode ago, "Holden is everything Marco pretends to be" and that makes Marco insecure about himself.
Malignant narcissism with borderline personality disorder and a heaping of barely restrained rage. It will instantly be personal the minute someone crosses him, because it's a direct challenge to his ego and his sense of entitlement. Basically he's a smarter, more charismatic version of Trump...in spaaaaaace...
@@operatorlink it COULD be many reasons...but literally everything in Marco's life he views as a reflection of himself. He is a dyed-in-the-wool narcissist abuser. Naomi 'had a hold on him' because a beautiful, intelligent woman who he had entrapped finally saw him for what he was and she ultimately paid any cost it took t be rid of him. He didn't love her - she was a prize that said, "oh look, I have this hot genius under my thumb, that makes me look great," and when she left, he lost a mirror to fancy himself in.
Remember, his initial plan was for Naomi to die on the Roci with the Augustin-Gammara sabotage. He didn't know that she had gone hunting for Filip, or that Filip et al had captured her. He was happy to kill her along with Holden and the Roci to make himself feel better. He's a small man, and everything IS personal to Marco because Marco's world consists only of himself.
I completely agree. Everything Marco says is so full of shit, he may dress it up as a political/tactical decision but its definitely personal
Marco's Ice Queen that served on Drummer's ship actually mentioned in a previous episode that Marco wanted the Roci destroyed because the crew represented Earth, Martians, and Belters working together. From the books, the reader detects a lot of jealousy of Holden by Marco. Perhaps we will see more of that in Season 6.
Kat at the end of the episode had me thinking my headphones crapped out on me.
I just realized something. The Barkeiths destruction I thought about what Proto Miller said back in season 3.
Go into a room too fast kid. The room eats you. We all thought he was talking about the gate, but what if he was warning Holden about the protomolecule destroyers?
Of note - The way Alex died, is how Fred actually died in the books so... while it definitely was a change from the books, it was at least tied in, in a way that makes sense.
yeah tought Fred dies during the burn.. not like 10 minutes after they stop acelerating
The closing credits on this episode captured such an amazing feeling of epic, ominous dread. Initially, I was left with the impression that after all this time, Alex's death felt short-changed. But the more I thought about it, that's how real life is. There is no foreshadowing, no buildup; someone's here one minute, and then they're gone forever. A real kick-ass episode.
If you get a chance, watch Ty and That Guy about this episode. Family family family. Naomi tries to save her son. Alex and Holden try to save Naomi. Then Naomi tries to save Alex. Amos tries to save Peaches. Drummer tries to save Naomi's friends when she can't save Naomi.. In every case they go all out and risk their own lives for their loved ones.
I like watching Ty and That Guy! It's so cool that they talk to the cast and crew about the episode and its just so well done! It's exciting that they are going back and doing an episode for each of the past shows. I can't wait to check those episodes out as well!
The growing pile of tears on your sweater is one of the best reactions Ive ever seem. Props guys.
I'm in the process of rewatching the whole show with a friend who didn't know it yet and I just yesterday noticed another detail I had missed before: in Season 1 while lying on the roof, stargazing, Crisjen tells her grandson that she is worried about people throwing rocks..... wow... I love how everytime I watch this show, I notice some new detail that foreshadows later events.
It's often referenced, in fact. She says it like 3/4 times on the show. There is so much more... The belter's unrest, black sky being mentioned next to Inaros faction, or the pilot of the weaping somnabulist harboring the same symbol the free navy has on her jacket.
There is a lot of building for this. Things easy to miss. Watching it a second time made me realise how much attention to detail they had.
@@gerardlacroix6015 absolutely, yes! this will be more like my third watch for most of the show and I'm still finding some new little details. It's great :)
There are parts of your yourself that can't compromise, even for the people you love the most. The moment when Oksana asked Drummer to give up on that by not letting them save Naomi, to save their family, that is when she lost Drummer. It's never easy and costs too much all the time, but is what separates her from becoming like Erinwright, Mao and Marco. If Oksana can't understand that, she does not deserve Camina.
"Purity", "One mind, one cause", "Zero tolerance to weakness", you know, I haven't read all the books, but this kind of speech gives a good idea of what kind of society is going to be build on Laconia, and if that is not scary enough on its own, the fact they have access to protomolecule tech, really scares more.
I haven't been this jaw-dropped with this show since the Ring came out of Venus, this was the best finale since season 3. Like Alex said, that was one hell of a ride. And now we'll have to wait at least another year or so for its conclusion. Oh well, now we wait and hope for the epic conclusion of this saga. Phenomenal reactions guys!
Sonny to Kat "You did some tear bending there"
Is tear bending Danish for Niagara Falls?
It's from Avatar: The Last Airbender ☺️
18:03 "Aaaah yes, Reapers. We have dismissed that claim." :D
I'm James Holden, and this is my favorite spot on Tycho.
:D
At a ring near Uranus we got a R.U.D. of the Barkheath (rapid unscheduled disassembly). There are so many questions about the floaty orange aliens I hope season 6 gets to. After Pandora opened her box all that was left was hope.
I think this the most emotional I've seen Kat, I love that you're so invested! Season 6 can't get here quick enough!
We got the end to the joke, and Avarserala was laughing about it...When they walk into a bar..
Ohh
By all means, read the books. You'll find a lot of interesting things that you didn't see in the series that are in the books. You'll also find the novellas are worth reading as well.
I think Kat's right about the message being a goodbye to Alex. The whole Naomi's unopened message was briefly interspersed in there through the season, and I think it was easy enough for them to have done in post, so that when they made the call to kill off Alex, it'd be easy to build a minor plot point and not make it seem so sudden. I think they could have focused a bit more on the screen monitor in the Screaming Firehawk showing he was having fatal brain trauma, or maybe a bit more in the lead-up to that hard decel, but I think it was handled as well as it could be in the midst of a pandemic and restricted shooting. It's a nice send-off for the character, doing what he loved to save someone he loved, and luck just caught up with him.
And yeah, my favourite scene in this episode was definitely Naomi in space, such a beautiful, terrifying scene
The next season can't come quick enough. Love this series so much!
Are they working on season 6? Is there a premiere date?
The Subspace aliens are super unhappy.
Right? I feel like I'm the only one who keeps getting Freespace vibes from this show. The Shivans are coming!
Rudimentury creatures of blood and flesh, you dare uses those heretic rings???
@@GrigoriPeshkov - Ugly bags of mostly water...
@@robertwsaul "When the destroyers came for us, we attacked. Never had we been defeated. They are like the others. Strange, hideous, resisting, fighting. Only these were not like the others. They did not die.
We made our first retreat. We could forego one system. We left it to the destroyers and went elsewhere. But they followed, they hunted us. They followed us when we retreated, discovered where we lived. For a long time, we did not know why they chased us. They were no ordinary enemy. They did not seek our territory, our technology, our resources.
Now we know our crime was sin."
Freespace owned.
Remember the opening of episode 1? Where Elvi talked about the builders destroyers?
Laoconia was the region in Ancient Greece where the Spartans came from.
Also Cortrazar in a good mood is scary as hell. His passion for the protomolecule is a very bad thing.
He probably sits around looking at the protomolecule and saying “My precious”
Now that the "blue goo" woke up the builders tech....Are we about to see Miller again? Cant wait for season 6
It could very well not have a double meaning from the show runners, but the “that was one hell of a ride” line from Alex feels like a send off from the actor (not that he is owed one) as well.
Bobby is literally a guardian Angel
Or maybe a Valkyrie?
@@dapeach06 a fucking Valkyrie.
@@Jmespo83 😉
so her power armor will get a wing mod next season? :D
I literally yelled "you're an angel!" at my screen it's pretty funny that I'm not the only one who thought that
"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it." - The Artifact's creators, probably
Bobbie is officially the new Kotyar.
When Kat shows her frustration at the end of an episode... she becomes my spirit animal. 😂😁
That's cute
Alex was never meant to stay grounded on Mars. He never would've retired from the Roci willingly, and his relationship with his ex and his son could never return to what it was before he abandoned them. Had he simply been maimed and forced into retirement, he would've been miserable on a changed Mars, unable to fly, estranged from his family. This way Alex goes out a hero and his ex and son will at least have memories of a better side to a flawed husband and father to look back on.
This episode of the Expanse was one of the best episodes of TV programming that I've ever seen and I watch a lot of TV! It had pretty much everything you could want in a TV show. Excitement, gripping drama, intense battles, suspense, misdirections, sadness, but even a few laughs too. It was an incredible episode indeed!! I enjoyed watching your reaction!
Who the hell gives Kat hate for the Mass Effect comments? The parallels between the two franchises are undeniable so far, and such similarities are not to be taken as a negative at all.
both take inspiration from sci-fi that came long before
Probably Ty Franck, on multiple accounts with fake names 😂
Yeah and both is FRIGGIN GREAT
@@thontor As usually is the case with most storytelling. As long as you add your own flair to old ideas there's nothing wrong with using them.
small correction: marco did`nt go through the laconia gate with the roge martians, they concered the ring space.
These former martians are a new faction, and shut themselfes off (installed a mine field behind the laconia gate).
They made a deal with marco: martian battleships for the protomolcule and the laconia system.
And Cortazar, they got him from Dawes early in the season.
What they did with Alex was beautifully done. They treated the actor, and the character with dignity.
in the "war ship Rocinante" scene...and in this episode, Holden is his most bad ass when Naomi is in danger.
16:00 As usual, they did the math: (distance to Uranus) / (speed of light) = (2.99e9 Km) / (3e5 Km/s) = around 9967 secs = 2.77 hours.
I understand that Alex's death felt a little 'sudden',.. but that's a stroke for you. Nobody really see's it coming.
And I think it's actually the best way they could have done it. We've been hearing for 5 seasons how 'dangerous' being juiced and maintaining Hard Burns are, "we could stroke out",.. "eventually one of those blood vessels in your heads gonna pop", etc, etc. It needed to be real eventually, and the old grizzled pilot pushing it hard to save his family is the perfect moment for it.
The books are pretty good. I really liked the details they provide on the alien biosphere on Illus/new terra.
This was my favorite episode of the season, so much action and emotions!
The rescue of Naomi was even cooler in the book because Bobby rode in on her on a torpedo. A very powerful scene anyway. And Alex didn't die. They had to kill him off here because "problems" with his actor Cas Anvar.
The red stuff that took out the Barkeith as it was going through the Ring gate to the Laconia system at the end of the episode were the alien race that wiped out the Builders who made the Protomolecule and the Ring network. We woke them up by going through the gates, so they aren’t happy with us.
Alex let it slip earlier in the season when he told Babbage that the small blob of Protomolecule on the Rocinante turned on all of the Builder tech on Ilus. So, Adml Duarte and Cortisar (?) are using their sample that they obtained from Marco to do the same in the Laconia system.
The Rogue Mars faction lead by Duarte mined the Laconian side of the Ring so that no one else can come through. Marco told Adml Salvatore to tell Duarte that they understand and that the Laconian system was theirs while Salvatore accepted that Marco has control of the Sol system.
The bracelet was just to show how hardline the Laconia Empire is going to be.
Marco knows that most Belters can’t live on big planets (at least not without meds from the Inners) and that even splitting up to new systems will result in the end of Belter culture. What he wants is an self-sufficient Belter nation that controls the Sol system and the Ring network access as well as to suppress the Inners for how they treated the people of the Belt. The problem that he doesn’t see, is that he made every Belter an enemy of the Inners, who have larger and highly trained and disciplined navies. Not every Belter will appreciate Marco for that. And even if he didn’t do what he did to Earth, making the Belt self-sustainable would probably take decades. He has five years to fix that problem before the Belt begins to starve. And it would probably take a decade for Earth’s ecosystem to recover enough to help them, that is, if they weren’t at war with the Inners.
That first battle scene deserves to be seen in slow motion. The attention to detail is a thing of beauty.
Lastly, we saw Marco setup that meteor strike on the Earth and Mars battleships guarding the Ring earlier in the season on a holodisplay. I noticed that after I rewatched the season.
Kat , you called it with having Bobbie use the suit! Having watched many reaction videos, the two of you are quite sharp in figuring out each situation, Im really enjoying your channel, thanks!
I love this series. This is definitely the best season and I can't wait for next one. Looks like the Martians are going to be the main bad guys. They may need more than 8 episodes to finish things up.
For sure. The show runners have been pacing the series at one season per book so far: I don't know how they can wrap up the final three books in one season without pulling a GoT season 8.
The "protomolecule" people was wiped out ..... guess what happen now that Cortazar reactivated the stuff ....... this damn series is amazing. Love 😘
The bracelet was just a bracelet. I thought the dispatch of the Maritans could have been more horrific, because to me with time just stopping, it just looked like the show was presenting this new danger to us. Could have had more screaming. :) Thanks for the awesome review and reaction guys!
This is to show how fast the red erasers can inflict damage. As Holden told Fred they wiped out the Ring Builders in a second.
@Love Smite Another review show had some passages from the book where it's described from the captain's POV. Was still hoping for something more horrific, like when people explode in Raised by Wolves. But the ring wraiths are nothing but tidy. :)
I knew there'd be some sort of cliffhanger. It was an emotional rollercoaster.
the aliens are color coded for convenience :D
Blue = protomolecule builders
Orange = the enemy that killed the builders
That finale was easily the best and most powerful finale The Expanse has ever had, and it's not even close. The season 3 finale is probably in 2nd place, but it's definitely a DISTANT second place after this one. This episode might possibly even be one of the best episodes this show has ever had, and that's even putting it up against two other episodes from this same season, in my opinion. From this season, episodes 4, 7, and the finale might just be the very best episodes this show has ever aired, and this season is EASILY the best season of this show BY FAR. This show is firing on absolutely all cylinders right now, and I cannot wait until season 6 comes out! Thank you for your reactions all season, and thank you for showing me there are other people out there who are as emotionally invested in this show as I am!
Did you know Peaches is nicknamed that because of the desert? I'm pretty sure you didn't!
Seriously: I'm so excited to see you react to this episode been refreshing youtube all day. Here we go!!
Well, actually they just said in this video that they knew it from the first drop...
I think it's a regional thing. In some parts of the world, this is a very very well known dessert.
@@xXSinForLifeXx ah well, that's possible too
It's a joke on us telling people to stop telling us 😄 no worries
@@KatSonny Wah? You wound me, kind sir!?!
Fabulous analysis of a sublime episode as usual.
@@mingerone ❤️
The scene of naomi out in space is one of the best moments on all of tv in a long time
Loved your reaction guys! Kat I cried with you. The choice that Holden made was him basically willing to go on a suicide mission to buy Alex and Bobbie some time to save Naomi. Man he’s a great captain. Drummer finally made a choice and chose to stand up against Marco and I loved it! That ending was ominous and I can’t wait to learn more about the beings that killed the protomolecule builders. Despite some small nitpicks I enjoyed this season.
Those Heavy Frigates and Destroyers floating through space with that music....it reminds me of sharks!
The name of the planet towards the end is Laconia. It WILL come into play, though this is happening earlier than what happened in the books. Good job watching through the end credits.
So glad when I heard her say reapers. This show has so much mass effect vibes.
I've been waiting for your reaction! This has been such an emotional season--
Drummer’s family breaking up hit me hard. I don’t know why that hit me hard.
Maybe something related happened to you in past
I love this (book) series. The story is great and the characters amazing and well thought out, with great character developments. And every now and than there comes a game changer, like the protomolecule, than you kinda thing o this might be a way the story is going and suddenly there is a ring gate and than suddenly the ring space with a lot of gates and alien planets, than Marcos bombards earth with meteorites! and now .... Well we will see next season, but all the twists are awesome and sometimes horrifying ;)
Fun little fact from the books, in the books Fred Johnson actually survives the coup on Tycho and dies later( i think one book later) on the Roci due to a stroke from a high burn maneuver, just like Alex.
There are PLENTY of surprises for books readers in the show, they diverge from the books very often
Been waiting for this all day. If you get to rewatch, the computer screens next to Alex shows a brain scan, with multiple lesions, and there was a reference to hi g strokes earlier in the episode. Just 12 months to wait till the final season :( (expecting it will finish off in a movie)
Is it only me, i heard Naomi's message in Alex"s voice in my head, RIP Alex Kamal Best Roci Pilot Ever
Those high G drugs are strong stuff, it even stopped the blinking lights in the back ground when they showed Alex
@40:00, the bracelet was just a bracelet. However, it wasn’t part of her military dress uniform. Admiral Sauveterre was basically telling her that the new regime is going to be even more hardcore than Mars. Her only choice was to hand it over or get the “or worse” treatment.
Pretty cool how detective Miller from season 2 mirrors Johnny from cyverpunk, both were replicates of personalities , Johnny by the relic and Miller by the molecule, hopefully we see more of the ancient's tech in season 6
Here is a good breakdown of the battles.
ruclips.net/video/h1AEHK8oQeA/видео.html . Basically the
Roci used the missiles fired by Drummer and Josep as a distraction so
that they can fire off their railgun. They fire on the Koto twice as
they fly past it, and with the Serrio Mal you can see the Roci in the
distance flying past while pivoting as it fires it's railgun at least
five times.
I watched the final episode last night, and have been waiting for some reactions.
I'm sure someone else has pointed this out but in the intro you can see the Laconia ring with a MCRN ship transiting, and after that you can see laconia next to an MCRN ship... as well as something orbiting laconia that is marked only with (?)
Ain't that interesting ;)?
I’m glad you two didn’t get into discussing Cas’ real life issues, but I’m also glad you acknowledged their existence. If only because losing his character is not just a tremendous departure from the books (which would cause definite story ramifications should the series ever continue), but considering the rather nonchalant way the storyline death occurred - especially for a main character, anyone not already aware of those issues (or the presence of mind to Google his name), would likely be more than a bit confused, if not a bit taken aback at the way it was all handled. Ooookay, with that said, now onto Season 6!
Thank Amos for breaking the tension and making me laugh (as usual)!
The situation with the actor who played Alex meant that they had to rewrite certain character arcs. It should have been Fred Johnson who died from a stroke after a high-G burn but they chose to write Alex out of the story rather than replace the actor so they retasked that death to give the character an exit and instead had Fred die in an attack he survived in the book. My guess is Bull is going to slot into some of the future plot where Alex should have been and maybe Peaches taking on other bits.
Yeah I think peaches as the voice of morality and Bull with all the flying and ship stuff.
The Expanse is spectacular! But maybe the best part of it is what we're not seeing, we've got all these POVs and we experience these events with them but at the same time something huge is happening in the background. This is the best kind of storytelling and woldbuilding there is.
Been waiting for reactions of this episode to drop. Top 3 episode for me, great all around - felt like a movie, almost; still pissed at Cas, but - I liked how Alex was written out of it. Will miss his character greatly.
Definitely agree. A proper and realistic death for the character, which mirrors one in the books. They handled it well. Such a shame Cas is a creep, but I think Bull as the new pilot will be pretty awesome
After watching this season, it's time to jump into the audio books and really immerse myself.
That rescue scene was reminiscent of the scene from GoT's Battle of the Bastards episode; Jon Snow just being smothered and felt like he was drowning trying to gasp for air. It was very well done and a bit emotional. The sound too was very well done with Bobbie in one ear and then attaching the oxygen. Who else held their breath unintentionally when Naomi was floating out there with her air finally used up?
Meanwhile, Drummer had to go through so much this season and it finally paid off. When she finally made contact with Holden, wish there would have been more dialogue.
@Darkstar Most definitely. However, it feels like everyone else wants Marco too, so we’ll have to see what happens in the next season. If I catch up with the books, I’ll probably find out what happens to him sooner whether the next few books or two. 😅
Pretty sure Sauvaterre and Babbage got "erased" by the builder's nemesis. Looks like we can chalk up partial responsibility of "volunteering" the human species for a proxy war between 2 ancient godlike species to Marco. Seriously , F Marco.
They got rubbed out 😉
We don't know for certain, but it sure looks that way
@@KatSonny yes, I did not read the book and it's just a guess. So that's just a potential problem, it is this kind of short sightedness combined with Marco's charisma that make this kind of leader so dangerous. Really, the rebel Martians should have enough sense to reign their partner in and if this potential happens, it's more their fault.... but... F Marco, I am going to hang this one on him too. :D
I'm so baffled by that ending, that was very mass effect reaper like.
In the aftershow for this episode they mentioned that Alex took Fred's death from the books since he survived the attack from Sakai in the books, it was Fred who dies from a hard G burn since he's also older, like Alex. His death was really well done in my opinion. "That was one hell of a ride" - Alex Kamal
I believe because Cortazar used the protomolecule sample to turn on the builder artifacts on Laconia they entities inside the ringspace and inside the god's eye finaly woke up mad like Holden predicted the earlier episodes. And so it ate Sauveterre ship instead of letting is pass through. (I think it just dematerialized the whole ship)
This is the first season i watched after reading the book. It did not detract from my enjoyment at all. I think i actually enjoyed it more than I otherwise would have.
18.55 That look from Kat when Sonny realises it's a ship. Wonderful. Great reaction as always guys. Look forward to watching season six with you (when it arrives).
Man. What a finale. 😩🤯
Caught up with the whole series as well as all of your reactions in just a couple of weeks. It was fun to see Sonny grow his hair out basically in timelapse😅
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It has gotten sooooo long!!!
Decided to give you guys a look before I watch Wandavision at midnight. What an amazing season ending. Sad that Alex had to go but great to have the crew back together. I was touched too. Loved when Drummer identified herself.
Fun fact Fred Johnson died from a high-G stroke in the books. They used that method
Thanks for the Rodeo, Cowboy....
Time to listen to possibly Alex's favorite song, "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" by Hank Williams....
48:07 i think the way the guy folded when getting kicked out was done pretty realistically. it's counterintuitive because we are not used to zero-G but i'm pretty sure it was depicted realistically.
Disagree with you there
@Darkstar it looks CGI fake as all hell.
Correction: I watched the thing again, and I can see where he kicked him, the spine didn't bend the way I first saw it.
Still looks like very bad CGI in my opinion
If you ever need to get your Expanse fit during the wait for season 6, read up on the Goths ("the reapers") and the Romans (protomolecule builders). You can just read up on a wiki and limit yourself to the show info so you don't get the spoilers from books. But there is a lot of info strewn across the 5 seasons about the relationship and what is happening. People just don't put it together usually cause it's all little details mentioned here and there. Like Holden literally showed the Goths to Fred this season and said that he thinks they don't like people going through the ring gates, and you could've seen them when Barkeith went Dutchman (it's what they call it in the books).
Will Riker called the Defiant a tough little ship too.
The executive producer Naren Shankar used to write for Deep Space Nine
Woot! Helluva cliffhanger to end on, right?
Why would any of us expect anything different, at this point?
I haven't read Book 6, yet, so I'm as much in the dark as anybody else.
Now, I have to figure out whether or not to read it before the END OF THE YEAR.
That's *so far away*.
As for Alex, well, they had to do something because of Cas Anwar's foolishness. How sad.
I think they handled it as best they could, and I think Kat got it right.
Naomi's message becomes a eulogy for Alex.
I didn't expect Naomi to jump out of the airlock.
I thought Bobbie would go in and get her, though, or send in her armor, remotely piloted, to get Naomi.
They definitely took a few ideas from Gravity, with Sandra Bullock.
Also, "Laconia" is the name of the administrative district in southeastern Greece.
In the past, it was the land owned and controlled by the city-state of Sparta.
So, they named the system after the Spartans of classical antiquity.
In the fandom, the creatures you call the Reapers are often referred to as The Goths, the reference being that the Roman Empire was famous for building roads (in this case, the ring network) but the the Roman Empire eventually fell to the Goths.
The Proto-molecule is back, Baby :D
one of the hardest things for this show to grab people straight away is the space battles and how they play out. Once you understand the chain of events in this battle in particular, especially with the roci absolutely destroying the battleship with its railgun....... I mean for the first few times rewatching it over, I was thinking "is that a drone orrrr....what is that?"......That's the Roci from front on, using the railgun. Looks like a little round drone, but yeah, just an angle of the roci we haven't really seen before.
This show certainly doesn't hold your hand and you have to use the old noodle. Hence why it isn't all things to all men. But us fans..... we know what's up. Nothing even comes close. Nothing. It took me a while to understand thrust gravity and that the floors on ships are perpendicular to the thrusters. Once the penny dropped though, my mind was absolutely blown.
It's been hinted by the creators that while the 6th season will be the final season, there are plans to do more with the IP, implying a spinoff, sequel series (that may cover the last books), or even a later resumption of the series (which could also cover the last books). It comes from a recent interview.
Lol, Kats shirt 10:25+ -Crybabies at it again 😊
Also, it has been sort of set up that Bull is a good pilot. He got them through a couple of fights quite well, he's very capable. With Peaches in the mix that's an interesting 5.
I don't think Amazon is going to agree to doing the last 3 seasons until the final book is out and published. They don't want to get into a Game of Thrones situation. They want to read the last book in the arc before signing a contract.
I didn't know why she was called peaches, so thanks for the explanation :)