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Metroid. Best game on NES hands down. And i had/still have alllllll the AAA NES titles. Trust a guy that has the first 100 Nintendo Powers w/all original attachments (posters, subscription cards, etc) and an NES still in it's original box proudly displayed in my office. Freakin loved being an NES kid... best years of my life.
I love how they felt the need to make Other M to make Samus more humane, as if sparing the life of a newborn baby in Metroid 2 didn't already comunicate how empathetic and kind hearted she was.
@BigHailFan and the end of Prime 3, while we're at it. It's so bittersweet, like "yes it's over but at what cost?". Most of the time, we don't really see her face, just her posture. But one can maintain a straight and confident posture while also blinking back tears, and that's what I like to think she does in these situations.
I agree here, they already did a great job making Samus seem caring and compassionate. Either way, the writing was lacking overall. Despite that I'm curious to one day get into lost context from the Japanese script
Why not? I felt Other M shows Samus more than just a "hired gun" aka Bounty Hunter. most people didn't own a super nintendo or game boy by the wii. Other M did things that most people won't get through other than cutscenes where you have to figure it out yourself. I was a kid and I didn't figure out Sonic on Genesis that Robotnik was the bad guy.
@@FoxyPercival714There's a difference in expanding a character beyond being "just a bounty hunter", and undermining the character with a weak performance. The writing is just not good, and it lessens Samus on the whole. Samus having a panic attack the first time she faces Ridley makes sense, and gives her something to overcome in facing her trauma. Making her freeze up after having proved herself stronger than him, when she's also characterized as one of the best, most effective hunters in the galaxy just undermines her character, at this point. Letting people die, becaue she "doesn't have permission" to use tools she already has on hand is absolutely stupid writing, and makes her an accessory to the deaths. This game doesn't show her as being "more than a hired gun", it actively worsens her entire character.
Wouldn’t it be funny if, at the end of the next mainline game, she actually becomes the next Metroid Queen (human-chozo mix, but still)? Then we will be blursed with the best/worst possible ending, as she ends the game by whispering “MY baby…”
In defense of Malkovich. My understanding is his character is more strict becuase the translation for his lines didnt offer the subtleties the Japanese characterization had that make him feel more concerned for Samus and his team. When he allows Samus to use her Varia feature in Japanese, he doesn't say okay you can use it now, he says why the hell haven't you activated it yet are you nuts. That scene in Japanese was conveying Samus being a little defiant towards Adam by not using the obvious solution.
@@DaveGrean Again, it because it's subtle in Japanese to convey Adam's stoicism as a leader. Nintendo has actually been surprisingly lax in a lot of their translations, as a result Adam is translated at face value with little nuance. Even today, Breath of the Wild being an example where they mess up what people were saying in side quest, so now it sounds like a grown man is inlove with a little girl Zora. But back to Other M, there's this cool video about the games Japanese script you can look up "Other M the game that wasn't ".
@@TheMentok There are mistranslation issues in Metroid Fusion as well where due to the English script not clarifying on the rouge Galactic Federation militant faction, the ending makes it appear that Samus is on the run from the entire Federation whereas in the Japanese version this not the case which explains why Samus still works for the Federation in Metroid Dread.
Something I enjoy about the Metroid series is how it's become a playground for all kinds of sci-fi ideas. Metroids and the series is heavily inspired by the Alien franchise The X are inspired from "The Thing" The EMMI's are a based on the AMEE's from Red Planet film The Adam AI is probably inspired by the HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey... The list goes on. I can't wait to see what else Samus will face off or ally with in future adventures.
@@josiaswando9561 I always thought the reveal of Ravenbeak being Samus' DNA Daddy was a node to the Star Wars reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father.
Fantastic conclusion to your Samus series! I personally wasn't too disappointed with Other M but wished they toned down her emotions and made the story flow a bit better despite liking the cinematic approach. Looking forward to what the future holds for her after the epic Dread installment and congratulations on the sponsorship man!
Shin! What's going on man. Same here, really curious where things go after Dread. it didn't feel like the end of Samus but all the plotlines we've seen up to this point (barring Prime storylines). Would they risk it and tell a completely new story with brand new enemies? No Metroids, No X, No Pirates, No Chozo
Dude, I randomly came across your first video in this series, and as a long time Metroid fan, these have been great. Def earned a sub from me. Would love to see a video about AM2R and a deep dive on my favorite game in the series, Fusion.
Man the Fusion scenes with the SA-X are honestly so damn cool even still imo. I still remember running into this shit the first time and being confused why the scene didn't end when Samus left the screen on the elevator, and then seeing that thing blast through a wall is such a sick entrance tbh.
Metroid is my favorite game franchise from Nintendo, thank you for covering these especially in October! Would love to see more content about my girl Samus
To be fair, Ridley was blown away with Zebes so there was NO WAY he should have come back, so the freak out is understandable if you read the manga. But then when he shows up in Fusion, you're like huh what's he doing here? And then think nothing of it until the X takes over his corpse. Then he becomes a huge threat to your GBA itself. His piercing screams and the horrible lag from your shots landing on him. Ahhhhh!
@theakiwar9118 I'm comfortable with that, lets say Ridley had offsprings before he died for good in Super Metroid, that weren't on Zebus when it exploded, and each one of them would want revenge in Samus for killing there father, but wants the pleasure if killing Samus to themselves this having them appear in every future Metroid game separately.
uh, no, to be fair, it does not make sense. up until this point, she has defeated and destroyed him 4-6 times (depending on if you count mecha ridley and both encounters in prime 3.) it does not make sense she would freak out NOW. and if anything, the manga makes it make LESS sense as she overcame her ptsd of him in it. People need to stop using this excuse.
@@BigHailFantechnically at the time she only fought him twice. Prime wasn't supposed to be included in that timeline. They grabbed the goo off of her armor and recreated ridley. How ridley showed up in fusion was because of a corrupt faction of the federation keeps trying to profit off of the metroid and ridley. Other m revealed that faction and the cycle of ridley life cycle. Unfortunately other m translation was very shody at best. Her trauma against ridley for other m at least I always attributed it to the danger of the fights. She never treats ridley like how Dread treated kraid. I know we cheese the fight but to her the damage of the fight is supposed to be high. Ridley is never supposed to be an easy fight for her. That's half the reason we went to the station on other m. To recover from super metroid. Plus during the fight for other m ridley drags us like a ragdoll and stuff.
Honestly, I like to separate Other M Adam to AI Adam. AI Adam ironically acts more human and has way more consideration and care for Samus than Other M Adam did. After AI Adam wakes up from the realization of who he used to be and what he is now he states that Samus's sacrificial plan was a bad idea because it would involve her death. Meanwhile Other M Adam shoots Samus on her back and exposes her to a Metroid attack (he said it himself, that he wasn't sure if Metroid larvae already were immune to low temperatures so he gambled with Samus's back in this scene). If they wanted to make Other M Adam a good guy they did a TERRIBLE job. If he was a good person he would've let Samus kill the Metroid or he would've shot the Metroid before her, then try and convince Samus of doing his plan. Obviously Samus would've disagreed, but Adam would've plan ahead and o something to immobilize Samus. This would've made more sense for someone who has a good moral compass and doesn't want to put Samus at risk. Literally backstabbing is villain behavior. In the game we got Adam looks more like someone who wants to take the glory of sacrifice rather than doing something that must be done while keeping someone he loves away from this danger.
You did good detective work on this video topic, Mentok. I would be interested in your opinion regarding AM2R's development in relation to Samus Returns' development though. There is plenty of detailed aspect about their development to discuss on the topic, after all.
As a person who is ready to abandon/ignore the lore of any video game the very moment the writing proves to be worthless, Other M was fun and I enjoyed it.
Oh hey, this is perfect timing since I've been working on a rewrite of Other M's story that removes a lot of the awkward bits and fixes the lore and character writing! I'll be happy to post a link to it once I've uploaded the first chapter if you'd like.
About the overall story if Other M, theres a fantastic video called "The Other M that never was" by the channel Lexicon Lookout. He talks about the overall translation and localization of Other M and a bit about Fusion as well and just how botched the story was. I dont think the original Japanese version is a masterpiece that fixes everything, but it definitely got the short end if the stick. Worth watching if it interests you
Just finished the whole series. This was so fascinating and entertaining to watch. Very well put together! I'd definitely gobble up any more content like this :)
I consumed al the 3 videos in a freaking row!, and i have to say that i am up to date thanks to you, what a great way to cover this legendary franchise!
I played all three mainline Prime games and Hunters before I was able to find any of the older games. I found copies of Zero Mission and Fusion a few months before the 3ds came out. This series is freaking great. They're decently difficult, and the exploration is varied enough to keep each game feeling fresh. My brain is a little smooth, and I do tend to get lost sometimes, but that doesn't stop me from loving these. I can't wait for Prime 4.
Among Other M's many sins is that it just straight up stole half of Fusion's plot, did it worse and then had the audacity to take place before Fusion in the timeline. Retroactively making Samus seem dumber for not recognizing the exact same pattern repeating in Fusion. Personally Other M is simply not canon to me. Nothing is lost by skipping it.
If I had a nickel for every video I've seen sponsored by sega covering a nintendo product, I'd have two, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twoce
I hate it when people talk about making a character more human/relatable because it always seems to translate into giving/forcing flaws/weakness (on)to said character. Yes, human beings have flaws and weaknesses, but that’s not all that makes us human and I’d argue it’s the least important thing about us. I think Other M would have been better received if they had focused more on her relationship with the platoon. Have them banter and tease her as if she never left. Instead of Adam being cold to her, show him more as a father figure to his squad. For why she can’t use her full arsenal, have some outsider (ether someone above Adam or someone they need to work with) throw a big stink about it forcing Samus and Adam to restrict her ability until Adam authorize it (which can lead to conflict between Adam and this guy).
I don't have a problem with exploring Samus' emotions, but it's just so dry in Other M. If you're going to focus on that stuff, give her emotions while she talks about it. I think a lot of my problem is just with how the lines were read. I responded much better to her anger at the end of Metroid Dread. Takes the emotion and does something with it. My other problem with Other M is that it makes the legendary "Adam' character a sexist jerk, why does he deserve to be remembered so fondly?
29:46 ... THAT MOMENT ... ICONIC AF! I will always remember that! (Down the escalator, but the scene doesn't change ... and then THIS! ... wow! changed a lot the tone for me!) 33:15 ... oh, and then THIS BOSS ... u knew, it had broken out of the area, after it was kinda caged before in the background ... this THING ... that broke gravity and let our missiles fall down uselessly ... and then it's face ... wow ... just wow. (Was for me the most difficult boss at the time ... i felt SOOO WEAK against it! It did SOO MUCH DAMAGE!)
I think MercurySteam could pull off a cinematic 3rd person Metroid game if they wanted to. If the next mainline Metroid game is released in 2025 assuming they want a 1 year gap between Prime 4 and Metroid 6, that's 5 years since Dread was released.
I made my alarm the E.M.M.I. chase theme and my notifications the attack cue. Those sounds no longer inspire fear in me. They are a normal part of my life.
What I would love to see for the future of the saga is: She being actively pursuit by the corrupt faction of the Galactic federation, why? She actively and disobediently thwarted Galactic Federation's plans to clone Metroids AND X parasites twice, they have enough proof to find her as a criminal against "Galactic peace". Also she is a being carrying the DNA of two of the most fearsome and powerful beings in the universe, so she herself is the biggest threat to the universe if she would desire (or went berserk or something) Alternately the saga could continue by having other factions go after her metroid of X DNA like in Dread (let's remember the Galactic federation still wants their X sample, that's why they dispatched E.M.M.I. to begin with only to be hacked by Raven Beak for his own purpose, which is the same)
The problem i had with other m is it was just a tone deaf fusion clone. The bottleship is just BSL, adam is ordering you around, they're breeding bioweapons, ridley is back, you fight nightmare, metroids are back, you eject their sector, you blow up the station.
Yes, I'm interested in a deep dive into Metroid games. I'm always up for more Metroid! And it's such a shame to see what poor writing choices did to Adam's character. In the manga, he was a good dude. Even after they didn't see eye to eye over the incident with Ian, they did end up back on good terms. Just look at how they were with each other right before her Zero Mission. They were on good terms again, so why was he acting like a douchebag towards her a couple of years later on the bottleship? Other M did his character a MAJOR disservice.
Maybe they should physically rerelease some of the old Metroid Mangas from the 2000s in the US where Metroid is most popular,like they did with most of the Zelda Mangas.
I think if we had gotten to play a game that detailed more about why Samus left the Federation army and how it drove a wedge between her and Adam, then the story would have landed way better in Other M.
The whole "technology not being there yet" thing is such a bs excuse from sakamoto. The emmis do not do anything extraordinary that a sped up SA-X could not have done. He obviously didn't know what to do with Metroid 5, because if he had gotten a positive reception to Other M, I'm sure they'd have played it off as being Metroid 5. I'm glad we have Dread, but I do not trust the man who iced my favorite game franchise for a decade to waifu-fy Samus.
I wonder if Ian and Mercury Steam had an influence in how Samus was to be portrayed in both games. Because, under their care, it seems like they are hellbent in returning to and emphasizing Samus' depiction *as an absolute badass.* _Maybe_ that's something Sakamoto has learned to go for ever since Other M, but I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if our Spanish friends were the ones who pitched this idea to him.
Original Metroid 2 and Fusion were my first two Metroid games (I had all the handheld but none of the home Nintendo consoles until the Wii) and I distinctly remember fusion being the unfortunate black sheep of the franchise. It’s one issue that Prime came out alongside it, but the main problems were the game’s linearity and forced story when the series to there had been far more open and never really had any story outside of the intro. It wasn’t until OM came out that people really let go of the disdain, and even then some people still hate it for the above reasons. It’s definitely one of my favorites, I’ve played it through many times.
Did you say Metroid Fusion was released to positive fan acclaim? The fandom absolutely hated Fusion on release. And almost entirely because it's linear instead of free roaming. And tons of fabs still hate it.
Just want to point out that Raven Beak's plan arguably should've worked, especially since the only thing he didn't anticipate was Samus extendo-reaching her arm into his face. He was essentially just toying with her the entire time and you can't even argue (somewhat) that he got overconfident, Samus actually just extended her arm past the point it would physically be able to reach. I guess you could argue that's part of her Metroid DNA, given what Hunter Metroids do in Prime, but that's a stretch
14:19 Well, precisely because she "made sure" that Ridley was dead (and on top of that the planet exploded) it is understandable that it is shocking for her to see how the bastard is still alive.
The characterization that Sakamoto had in mind for Samus would actually fit her quite well. It's too bad that with the weak localization and sub-par voice direction that the English version had, the Samus we actually _got_ was... not that.
I feel like the right direction for Nintendo to go for Metroid after Prime 4 is to either make a remake of Fusion as they were wanting to previously, especially since it elaborates on the X for the players who started with Dread, like me, or seeing where the new powers Samus has gained from her adventure on ZDR will lead to. Maybe something to do with her Metroid genes getting too much to handle, even with the possibly temporary cure from Quiet Robe?
So if absorbing the X that cloned Quiet Robe gives her his Chozo-genes as well (which leads to calming down her Metroid powers), that would imply that EVERY X she absorbs also makes her absorb/fuse with the genes of the beings the X did copy from. Now I wonder, how many X did she absorb again in the course of these two games? Wonder what her DNA actually does look like now....
38:43 ... at this time, i didn't really care that much for that Adam AI thingy ... it helped me, so I was ok with it. hearing about other M (I've never played it. I was traveling, when the Wii got out) ...
I'd welcome a HD port of Metroid Samus Returns for the Switch with Fusion mode and all the other Amiibo blocked content unlockable without the need for Amiibos.
I'd welcome a HD port of Metroid Samus Returns for the Switch with Fusion mode and alll the other Amiibo blocked content unlockable without the need for Amiibos.
I think we can all get over Samus’ characterization, mostly… but giving her heels that would stick around until current day is unforgivable Also the awful attempted redesigns of the space marines
Technically the SA-X is looking down at the shaft, not at us. Sadly the SA-X was just a "scripted event". meaning you go through the story, it appears during those segments.
one way to look at Other M Samus...is basically like looking at Ciaphus Cain from 40k...to everyone around her, she is a confident, silent, and powerful individual that everyone looks up to...all while on the inside being chatty and slightly panicky while fighting, and possibly having some level of Imposter Syndrome...in essence, before Other M...no one truly got to see what her inner thoughts were outside of Metroid Fusion...which wasn't much lets be honest here.
Now we need a deep dive into the lore of Samus' mole. Why did they add it, was it supposed to be there since nes but they couldn't add it to pixel art? Why didn't the art work have it? Is it a growth?!
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Metroid. Best game on NES hands down. And i had/still have alllllll the AAA NES titles. Trust a guy that has the first 100 Nintendo Powers w/all original attachments (posters, subscription cards, etc) and an NES still in it's original box proudly displayed in my office. Freakin loved being an NES kid... best years of my life.
We really got sega sponsoring a Metroid video😭🙏
The console wars were 35 years ago, man...
Well, at least it's not one of those shitty mobile games.
It's free real estate
@@benbone2559 As a veteren of t#at war....I put my prejudice aside lon& a&o.....besides we can all a&ree t#at Mommy Samus is wort# it🐱👀
@@chriscassul9904 Nothing to do with your comment but I had the same issue with my keyboard not too long ago, brother. Stand strong.
I love how they felt the need to make Other M to make Samus more humane, as if sparing the life of a newborn baby in Metroid 2 didn't already comunicate how empathetic and kind hearted she was.
or closing a dead marine's eyes and bowing her head to honor him.
@BigHailFan and the end of Prime 3, while we're at it. It's so bittersweet, like "yes it's over but at what cost?".
Most of the time, we don't really see her face, just her posture. But one can maintain a straight and confident posture while also blinking back tears, and that's what I like to think she does in these situations.
I agree here, they already did a great job making Samus seem caring and compassionate. Either way, the writing was lacking overall. Despite that I'm curious to one day get into lost context from the Japanese script
Why not? I felt Other M shows Samus more than just a "hired gun" aka Bounty Hunter.
most people didn't own a super nintendo or game boy by the wii.
Other M did things that most people won't get through other than cutscenes where you have to figure it out yourself.
I was a kid and I didn't figure out Sonic on Genesis that Robotnik was the bad guy.
@@FoxyPercival714There's a difference in expanding a character beyond being "just a bounty hunter", and undermining the character with a weak performance. The writing is just not good, and it lessens Samus on the whole.
Samus having a panic attack the first time she faces Ridley makes sense, and gives her something to overcome in facing her trauma.
Making her freeze up after having proved herself stronger than him, when she's also characterized as one of the best, most effective hunters in the galaxy just undermines her character, at this point.
Letting people die, becaue she "doesn't have permission" to use tools she already has on hand is absolutely stupid writing, and makes her an accessory to the deaths.
This game doesn't show her as being "more than a hired gun", it actively worsens her entire character.
Sega sponsorship for Metroid. They do what Nindendon't.
Facts
Mentok is one of the few series I’m willing to stop doing whatever I’m doing just to watch 😭🙏🏾
I’m always trying to convince the world they should stop what they are doing to take in this crucial information
I am extremely curios what story direction post-Dread Metroid is gonna take.
Man am I glad this series came back.
Wouldn’t it be funny if, at the end of the next mainline game, she actually becomes the next Metroid Queen (human-chozo mix, but still)?
Then we will be blursed with the best/worst possible ending, as she ends the game by whispering “MY baby…”
@@IslanderDran That would be too wild.
@@IslanderDran Hell no.
In defense of Malkovich. My understanding is his character is more strict becuase the translation for his lines didnt offer the subtleties the Japanese characterization had that make him feel more concerned for Samus and his team. When he allows Samus to use her Varia feature in Japanese, he doesn't say okay you can use it now, he says why the hell haven't you activated it yet are you nuts. That scene in Japanese was conveying Samus being a little defiant towards Adam by not using the obvious solution.
Stuff like this is so annoying. How could anyone have thought it would be a good idea to change that?
@@DaveGrean Again, it because it's subtle in Japanese to convey Adam's stoicism as a leader. Nintendo has actually been surprisingly lax in a lot of their translations, as a result Adam is translated at face value with little nuance.
Even today, Breath of the Wild being an example where they mess up what people were saying in side quest, so now it sounds like a grown man is inlove with a little girl Zora.
But back to Other M, there's this cool video about the games Japanese script you can look up "Other M the game that wasn't ".
If I come back to this game, I definitely plan to cover the translation discrepancies in more detail
@@TheMentok There are mistranslation issues in Metroid Fusion as well where due to the English script not clarifying on the rouge Galactic Federation militant faction, the ending makes it appear that Samus is on the run from the entire Federation whereas in the Japanese version this not the case which explains why Samus still works for the Federation in Metroid Dread.
sadly that doesn't help any as that just makes samus look like an idiot for doing a hell run on her own.
I found your channel because of this Metroid deep dive so I'd love more.
Welcome! Thanks for watching so far
Same here… love your deep dives but I started also with your "Metroid" deep dives…
PLEASE make more Metroid content, this is some of the most quality Metroid content I've seen on RUclips.
This is validating. Thank you 🙏🏽
Something I enjoy about the Metroid series is how it's become a playground for all kinds of sci-fi ideas.
Metroids and the series is heavily inspired by the Alien franchise
The X are inspired from "The Thing"
The EMMI's are a based on the AMEE's from Red Planet film
The Adam AI is probably inspired by the HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey... The list goes on.
I can't wait to see what else Samus will face off or ally with in future adventures.
And I think Raven break and Makin tribe be inspired in the Predator franchise.
@@josiaswando9561 I always thought the reveal of Ravenbeak being Samus' DNA Daddy was a node to the Star Wars reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father.
Did not think we got TheMentok getting passionate about the Metroid plots
Normally I try to stay neutral on these things but I couldn’t help myself 😂
Fantastic conclusion to your Samus series! I personally wasn't too disappointed with Other M but wished they toned down her emotions and made the story flow a bit better despite liking the cinematic approach. Looking forward to what the future holds for her after the epic Dread installment and congratulations on the sponsorship man!
Shin! What's going on man. Same here, really curious where things go after Dread. it didn't feel like the end of Samus but all the plotlines we've seen up to this point (barring Prime storylines). Would they risk it and tell a completely new story with brand new enemies? No Metroids, No X, No Pirates, No Chozo
The fact that Samus is planet buster level is nuts. Damn 4 planets and the Federation are not (yet) afraid of her ?
Dude, I randomly came across your first video in this series, and as a long time Metroid fan, these have been great. Def earned a sub from me. Would love to see a video about AM2R and a deep dive on my favorite game in the series, Fusion.
Man the Fusion scenes with the SA-X are honestly so damn cool even still imo. I still remember running into this shit the first time and being confused why the scene didn't end when Samus left the screen on the elevator, and then seeing that thing blast through a wall is such a sick entrance tbh.
Metroid is my favorite game franchise from Nintendo, thank you for covering these especially in October! Would love to see more content about my girl Samus
To be fair, Ridley was blown away with Zebes so there was NO WAY he should have come back, so the freak out is understandable if you read the manga. But then when he shows up in Fusion, you're like huh what's he doing here? And then think nothing of it until the X takes over his corpse. Then he becomes a huge threat to your GBA itself. His piercing screams and the horrible lag from your shots landing on him. Ahhhhh!
Its possible there are other members of his species in the universe.
@@robertkenny1201yeah but they likely aren’t affiliated with the space pirates, as the space pirates past super Metroid are extinct
@theakiwar9118 I'm comfortable with that, lets say Ridley had offsprings before he died for good in Super Metroid, that weren't on Zebus when it exploded, and each one of them would want revenge in Samus for killing there father, but wants the pleasure if killing Samus to themselves this having them appear in every future Metroid game separately.
uh, no, to be fair, it does not make sense. up until this point, she has defeated and destroyed him 4-6 times (depending on if you count mecha ridley and both encounters in prime 3.) it does not make sense she would freak out NOW. and if anything, the manga makes it make LESS sense as she overcame her ptsd of him in it. People need to stop using this excuse.
@@BigHailFantechnically at the time she only fought him twice. Prime wasn't supposed to be included in that timeline. They grabbed the goo off of her armor and recreated ridley. How ridley showed up in fusion was because of a corrupt faction of the federation keeps trying to profit off of the metroid and ridley. Other m revealed that faction and the cycle of ridley life cycle. Unfortunately other m translation was very shody at best.
Her trauma against ridley for other m at least I always attributed it to the danger of the fights. She never treats ridley like how Dread treated kraid. I know we cheese the fight but to her the damage of the fight is supposed to be high. Ridley is never supposed to be an easy fight for her. That's half the reason we went to the station on other m. To recover from super metroid. Plus during the fight for other m ridley drags us like a ragdoll and stuff.
Honestly, I like to separate Other M Adam to AI Adam. AI Adam ironically acts more human and has way more consideration and care for Samus than Other M Adam did. After AI Adam wakes up from the realization of who he used to be and what he is now he states that Samus's sacrificial plan was a bad idea because it would involve her death. Meanwhile Other M Adam shoots Samus on her back and exposes her to a Metroid attack (he said it himself, that he wasn't sure if Metroid larvae already were immune to low temperatures so he gambled with Samus's back in this scene).
If they wanted to make Other M Adam a good guy they did a TERRIBLE job. If he was a good person he would've let Samus kill the Metroid or he would've shot the Metroid before her, then try and convince Samus of doing his plan. Obviously Samus would've disagreed, but Adam would've plan ahead and o something to immobilize Samus. This would've made more sense for someone who has a good moral compass and doesn't want to put Samus at risk. Literally backstabbing is villain behavior. In the game we got Adam looks more like someone who wants to take the glory of sacrifice rather than doing something that must be done while keeping someone he loves away from this danger.
Samus: open the pod bay doors, Adam.
Adam: I'm sorry Samus, I can't do that.
Fusion was my first metroid game and i loved it.
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@@BigHailFan ive played most of thge other games at this point but i was really young and just had a gameboy advanced.
Been loving these mentoktober videos man I can’t wait to see the theme for next year!
Seriously, that Metroid Samus at the end of dread was just astounding.
I ain't gonna say no to more Metroid content. Survival horror is definitely the way to describe fusion.
Thanks for this!
Don't Worry . . . I'll End This. Once And For All - Absolute badassery.
Dread is the game Other M should have been.
You did good detective work on this video topic, Mentok.
I would be interested in your opinion regarding AM2R's development in relation to Samus Returns' development though.
There is plenty of detailed aspect about their development to discuss on the topic, after all.
"I would like to do what I have to do." 54:14
I can dig the low key supervillain energy in this quote.
As a person who is ready to abandon/ignore the lore of any video game the very moment the writing proves to be worthless, Other M was fun and I enjoyed it.
Oh hey, this is perfect timing since I've been working on a rewrite of Other M's story that removes a lot of the awkward bits and fixes the lore and character writing! I'll be happy to post a link to it once I've uploaded the first chapter if you'd like.
29:50 Easily the scariest thing I've ever seen! 😱
nice work, man. i'll watch your deep dives for every metroid titles.
About the overall story if Other M, theres a fantastic video called "The Other M that never was" by the channel Lexicon Lookout. He talks about the overall translation and localization of Other M and a bit about Fusion as well and just how botched the story was. I dont think the original Japanese version is a masterpiece that fixes everything, but it definitely got the short end if the stick. Worth watching if it interests you
Just finished the whole series. This was so fascinating and entertaining to watch. Very well put together! I'd definitely gobble up any more content like this :)
Just wait for them to reveal there are more Ridley clones.
We know they’re coming
I finished AM2R about a month ago and it is a must play! Its pretty easy to download and install too! So needless to say, I'd love a video of a AM2R.
I consumed al the 3 videos in a freaking row!, and i have to say that i am up to date thanks to you, what a great way to cover this legendary franchise!
Very good overview over the Metroid timeline!
They should add a new threat immune to X-Parasites and the Metroids! :D
Can't wait for MP4.
I'm still hung up on the fact that the story of other m contradicts the manga that chronologically predates zero mission.
I played all three mainline Prime games and Hunters before I was able to find any of the older games. I found copies of Zero Mission and Fusion a few months before the 3ds came out. This series is freaking great. They're decently difficult, and the exploration is varied enough to keep each game feeling fresh. My brain is a little smooth, and I do tend to get lost sometimes, but that doesn't stop me from loving these. I can't wait for Prime 4.
15:58 The most logical answer is because bad writing is bad.
Among Other M's many sins is that it just straight up stole half of Fusion's plot, did it worse and then had the audacity to take place before Fusion in the timeline. Retroactively making Samus seem dumber for not recognizing the exact same pattern repeating in Fusion. Personally Other M is simply not canon to me. Nothing is lost by skipping it.
Yeeeees please do Metroid deep dives please! Ive been hoping you would since Mario deep dives. I love your deep dives man!
If I had a nickel for every video I've seen sponsored by sega covering a nintendo product, I'd have two, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twoce
Yeah yeah we know the line
I hate it when people talk about making a character more human/relatable because it always seems to translate into giving/forcing flaws/weakness (on)to said character. Yes, human beings have flaws and weaknesses, but that’s not all that makes us human and I’d argue it’s the least important thing about us.
I think Other M would have been better received if they had focused more on her relationship with the platoon. Have them banter and tease her as if she never left. Instead of Adam being cold to her, show him more as a father figure to his squad. For why she can’t use her full arsenal, have some outsider (ether someone above Adam or someone they need to work with) throw a big stink about it forcing Samus and Adam to restrict her ability until Adam authorize it (which can lead to conflict between Adam and this guy).
I don't have a problem with exploring Samus' emotions, but it's just so dry in Other M. If you're going to focus on that stuff, give her emotions while she talks about it. I think a lot of my problem is just with how the lines were read. I responded much better to her anger at the end of Metroid Dread. Takes the emotion and does something with it. My other problem with Other M is that it makes the legendary "Adam' character a sexist jerk, why does he deserve to be remembered so fondly?
29:46 ... THAT MOMENT ... ICONIC AF! I will always remember that!
(Down the escalator, but the scene doesn't change ... and then THIS! ... wow! changed a lot the tone for me!)
33:15 ... oh, and then THIS BOSS ... u knew, it had broken out of the area, after it was kinda caged before in the background ... this THING ... that broke gravity and let our missiles fall down uselessly ... and then it's face ... wow ... just wow. (Was for me the most difficult boss at the time ... i felt SOOO WEAK against it! It did SOO MUCH DAMAGE!)
18:08 ... oh it WAS a KILLER moment allright ...
I think MercurySteam could pull off a cinematic 3rd person Metroid game if they wanted to. If the next mainline Metroid game is released in 2025 assuming they want a 1 year gap between Prime 4 and Metroid 6, that's 5 years since Dread was released.
I'm starting to get into the Metroid saga, and this video pops in
This Metroid miniseries has been great! I wouldn't mind a revisit with more details not covered
Yooo! Please drop the deep dive vids!! I'm OBSESSED with Metriod rn and I've been digging for lore wherever I can find it
Would love to hear more about metroid ngl
Glad to see the interest in more
@@TheMentokalso, I'm really enjoying the video, probably should have mentioned that in the first comment.
excellent video quality 10/10! keep it up!!! great content, will sub and watch again
I say do a Metroid vs remakes videos and talk about my favorite Metroidvania(zero mission), and favorite fan game also samus returns
I'm sure im not alone. I'll watch any video on whatever topic you decide to cover. I love your content.
47:46
This whole series I was thinking,
“They brought everyone back except for the other enemy from the first game. Where the hell is he?”
Boom!
Best marketing for sonic x shadow generation ive seen 👍😅
No way I was just going to read an ad to you all without making it special 😂
I made my alarm the E.M.M.I. chase theme and my notifications the attack cue.
Those sounds no longer inspire fear in me. They are a normal part of my life.
53:15 5th if you include dark Aether
It would only count if normal Aether was annihilated, too.
AM2R was INCREDIBLE!!! It was so good, Nintendo sent a cease and desist the minute it released.
What I would love to see for the future of the saga is: She being actively pursuit by the corrupt faction of the Galactic federation, why?
She actively and disobediently thwarted Galactic Federation's plans to clone Metroids AND X parasites twice, they have enough proof to find her as a criminal against "Galactic peace".
Also she is a being carrying the DNA of two of the most fearsome and powerful beings in the universe, so she herself is the biggest threat to the universe if she would desire (or went berserk or something)
Alternately the saga could continue by having other factions go after her metroid of X DNA like in Dread (let's remember the Galactic federation still wants their X sample, that's why they dispatched E.M.M.I. to begin with only to be hacked by Raven Beak for his own purpose, which is the same)
Kriken Empire: _>singing songs quietly in the back corner, _*_forgotten
The problem i had with other m is it was just a tone deaf fusion clone.
The bottleship is just BSL, adam is ordering you around, they're breeding bioweapons, ridley is back, you fight nightmare, metroids are back, you eject their sector, you blow up the station.
Just like the metroid games, I'll take what I can get. Gimme them deep dives!
Yes, I'm interested in a deep dive into Metroid games. I'm always up for more Metroid! And it's such a shame to see what poor writing choices did to Adam's character. In the manga, he was a good dude. Even after they didn't see eye to eye over the incident with Ian, they did end up back on good terms. Just look at how they were with each other right before her Zero Mission. They were on good terms again, so why was he acting like a douchebag towards her a couple of years later on the bottleship? Other M did his character a MAJOR disservice.
Maybe they should physically rerelease some of the old Metroid Mangas from the 2000s in the US where Metroid is most popular,like they did with most of the Zelda Mangas.
Yeah man I would love a Metrois Details video covering Fedforce and the others
You should 10/10 cover "AM2R." It's the definitive version of "Metroid II" and I will die on this hill.
9:14 ... i'd argue, that Samus most of the time in those other games also never knew, what was going on :3
I think if we had gotten to play a game that detailed more about why Samus left the Federation army and how it drove a wedge between her and Adam, then the story would have landed way better in Other M.
The whole "technology not being there yet" thing is such a bs excuse from sakamoto. The emmis do not do anything extraordinary that a sped up SA-X could not have done. He obviously didn't know what to do with Metroid 5, because if he had gotten a positive reception to Other M, I'm sure they'd have played it off as being Metroid 5. I'm glad we have Dread, but I do not trust the man who iced my favorite game franchise for a decade to waifu-fy Samus.
I wonder if Ian and Mercury Steam had an influence in how Samus was to be portrayed in both games. Because, under their care, it seems like they are hellbent in returning to and emphasizing Samus' depiction *as an absolute badass.*
_Maybe_ that's something Sakamoto has learned to go for ever since Other M, but I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if our Spanish friends were the ones who pitched this idea to him.
Yessss, deeper dives please!
That sonic game ad was glorious 😂
That 90s style Sonic ad 😂😂😂love it! Lol!
Nice video. I prefer long-format, so more details and lore, the better 👍
2024 mentoktober is lit
I'll return my copy of Sonic x Shadow to support my boi!
Original Metroid 2 and Fusion were my first two Metroid games (I had all the handheld but none of the home Nintendo consoles until the Wii) and I distinctly remember fusion being the unfortunate black sheep of the franchise. It’s one issue that Prime came out alongside it, but the main problems were the game’s linearity and forced story when the series to there had been far more open and never really had any story outside of the intro. It wasn’t until OM came out that people really let go of the disdain, and even then some people still hate it for the above reasons. It’s definitely one of my favorites, I’ve played it through many times.
Metroid Dread is probably my favorite game of all time.
Did you say Metroid Fusion was released to positive fan acclaim? The fandom absolutely hated Fusion on release. And almost entirely because it's linear instead of free roaming. And tons of fabs still hate it.
Just want to point out that Raven Beak's plan arguably should've worked, especially since the only thing he didn't anticipate was Samus extendo-reaching her arm into his face.
He was essentially just toying with her the entire time and you can't even argue (somewhat) that he got overconfident, Samus actually just extended her arm past the point it would physically be able to reach.
I guess you could argue that's part of her Metroid DNA, given what Hunter Metroids do in Prime, but that's a stretch
yeah, dive into more detail!
14:19 Well, precisely because she "made sure" that Ridley was dead (and on top of that the planet exploded) it is understandable that it is shocking for her to see how the bastard is still alive.
The characterization that Sakamoto had in mind for Samus would actually fit her quite well. It's too bad that with the weak localization and sub-par voice direction that the English version had, the Samus we actually _got_ was... not that.
I feel like the right direction for Nintendo to go for Metroid after Prime 4 is to either make a remake of Fusion as they were wanting to previously, especially since it elaborates on the X for the players who started with Dread, like me, or seeing where the new powers Samus has gained from her adventure on ZDR will lead to. Maybe something to do with her Metroid genes getting too much to handle, even with the possibly temporary cure from Quiet Robe?
thanks for talking about metroid Mentok 🙂↕️
THIS WAS EPIC!!!!!!
So if absorbing the X that cloned Quiet Robe gives her his Chozo-genes as well (which leads to calming down her Metroid powers), that would imply that EVERY X she absorbs also makes her absorb/fuse with the genes of the beings the X did copy from.
Now I wonder, how many X did she absorb again in the course of these two games? Wonder what her DNA actually does look like now....
Fusion was SOOO good btw. I really enjoyed that story ... well, most of it.
I’d love to see a dive into AM2R.
Fusion is one of the best games I’ve ever played
38:43 ... at this time, i didn't really care that much for that Adam AI thingy ... it helped me, so I was ok with it.
hearing about other M (I've never played it. I was traveling, when the Wii got out) ...
I'd welcome a HD port of Metroid Samus Returns for the Switch with Fusion mode and all the other Amiibo blocked content unlockable without the need for Amiibos.
You look too cool to know this much about metroid!
Other M was my first Metroid game because was never a first person shooter fan of the original games and other M is my favorite
I'd welcome a HD port of Metroid Samus Returns for the Switch with Fusion mode and alll the other Amiibo blocked content unlockable without the need for Amiibos.
AM2R is amazing, deff got to play, there is also a multiplayer mod if you want to try something really differnt
I think we can all get over Samus’ characterization, mostly… but giving her heels that would stick around until current day is unforgivable
Also the awful attempted redesigns of the space marines
_No wonder that redesign was discarded for Federation Force._ Personally? I find their old armor design good enough!
Technically the SA-X is looking down at the shaft, not at us.
Sadly the SA-X was just a "scripted event". meaning you go through the story, it appears during those segments.
one way to look at Other M Samus...is basically like looking at Ciaphus Cain from 40k...to everyone around her, she is a confident, silent, and powerful individual that everyone looks up to...all while on the inside being chatty and slightly panicky while fighting, and possibly having some level of Imposter Syndrome...in essence, before Other M...no one truly got to see what her inner thoughts were outside of Metroid Fusion...which wasn't much lets be honest here.
I love Metroid Dread. Best Metroid yet.
Now we need a deep dive into the lore of Samus' mole. Why did they add it, was it supposed to be there since nes but they couldn't add it to pixel art? Why didn't the art work have it? Is it a growth?!
I got you. These are the questions that need answering