I've been sewing for 52 years. This is my 4th machine and it does everything it promised. I've sewn heavy upholstery fabric and even welted seams on heavy duty outdoor fabric to sew my own trailer awning. It preformed better than any other machine I've ever owned with heavy fabrics. I never saw anything on the box when I purchased it claiming to be an industrial machine. It's held up well for the six years I've owned it and has never given me any trouble. I only paid $200 for it and am not ashamed to sit next to women at quilting retreats with machines five times the expense of mine. My Singer Heavy Duty is a beast but light enough to lug around. I don't think they are pretending to be anything other than what they are.
Absolutely. I’ve used mine to make awning for a horse trailer, heavy canvas skirting for a stage, costumes of ultrasuede, denim, cotton, linen and silk, a canvas lined leather bag, webbing straps for tie-downs, kites from ripstop nylon and more, more, more. It has the FLEXIBILITY to deal with heavier weight fabrics without clunking out, has everything I need without all the other $$$ features I don’t need and is a mechanical machine so I can take it apart and service it myself. All for $100 on sale. Case closed.
Exactly! Sail covers and boat upholstery, vinyl, the Singer HD works well. Can punch through 6+ layers of canvas. I've used mine for more than 5 years. Yeah... next step is an industrial machine... when I find room and feeling like The Hulk. The Singer HD is straight forward, simple, easy to service and maintain.
I completely agree with you! And thank you so much for this comment. I just bought the Heavy Duty 6360 with the accessories I wanted-$220....a great price. I'm so in love with this machine and it does everything the website says. So this persons video here is so wrong and Singer isn't selling any hype at all. Thanks again and happy sewing!
I found a used sewing machine dealer, I told him I wanted a sturdy clothing capacity machine. He told me "I have just the thing you need," a Sears Kenmore, 1980's vintage, made in Japan. It's almost entirely machined metal parts, and has a step reduction speed drive that walks through blue jean/canvass layered fabrics relentlessly. It had very low hours use like many used machines and I really like it. Sold to me for $300.00
Sorry, no! When compared to the stuff in it's price range, the Singer Heavy duty is exactly that, Heavy Duty. i.e. You won't get a machine that stays with you longer and works harder IN THAT PRICE RANGE! Two very popular international brands have failed me repeatedly, while my Singer Heavy Duty 4432, just keeps going. I can sew silk today and 3 layers of canvas tomorrow, both without so much as a single lost stitch. No other EQUALLY PRICED machine, has been able to grant me the same level of utility. I've made garments, belts, wallets and more! Even 2cm sponge sandwiched between 4 layers of webbing and two layers of felt, is no challenge for this machine. Yes, you can't be half asleep when doing that, and you can't do it 12 hours a day, 365 days a week, but you can do it more often than not, and it will get the job done. Which brings me to my next point: There is a difference between Heavy Duty and Industrial. And no, the Singer Heavy Duty is NOT an INDUSTRIAL sewing machine, if you need an INDUSTRIAL sewing machine get a JUKI, or even better; Go rescue that old Singer K320 or K319 from your grandmother's attic. They are damn near indestructible, and capable of dealing with heavy upholstery jobs on a daily basis. In fact, the Singer K320 and K319 were considered industrial machines in their time and yes, many sail boats sported sails made using these machines, but I would not use them to make modern sails of Dacron. For that, your best bet is still Sailrite. The Singer Heavy Duty range fills a gap between home sewing and industrial sewing, at a price that still falls comfortably in the home sewing range. Don't expect it to be an industrial sewing machine and you'll have a far more reliable machine than anything else I've seen IN IT'S PRICE RANGE.
I would agree that older singers are comparable but my experience has been that there are more reliable quality machines in this price range FOR sure. And there are equally crummy machines in this range as well.
The machines you're recommending are EXPENSIVE. The Singer H.D. line on the other hand is relatively affordable. For me it is the basic machine but with the bonus features that it can sew fast, all weights and layers of materials, won't break the bank, portable, and there are videos that explain how to use it.
For most of the average audience sewing at home, theyre decent machines and affordable. One thing that i really hate in the online sewing community is the snobbery, sneering at people on a budget and looking down on any one not buying a 500 dollar machine out the gate. Not saying that this video is the snobbery but its definitely a problem in forums and reddits
I left the sewing reddit a few years back when I saw them belittle a nice lady who was respectfully asking for help with a singer. She had an 11 year as I recall who was interested in sewing and she didnt want to sink a lot of cash into a machine at least until her daughter stuck with it and showed whether this was what she really wanted to do. For someone like that, a Singer HD is perfectly fine. But no, those people posting were so rude, telling her she was being cheap and she should just buck up for a Janome that was twice her budget. How is that helpful?
@@JoJo-ie8sl Reddit seems to hate singers!! i get it it’s not heavy duty but it’s still a good machine! but what i hate the most is when they keep recommending me to get a vintage and used machine. like i’m sorry but i can’t find any of those and i don’t want to have to get it serviced because it might be broken 😒 reddit can be helpful but not when it comes to sewing/sewing machines…
Agree!! I bought an expensive baby lock that is sitting unused because it was having major issues within a month of buying it. I have a basic singer that is amazing and reliable. The singer HDs can handle heavier fabrics so I don't know what this video is about.
I purchased a Husky star on sale for $ 800.00 have had nothing but problems, as soon as I try to sew over a seam, it hammers and then strikes the needle plate. Just had it repaired $200 and it started again. So I am looking at a Singer 4452 and wondering if it has all metal or plastic in the machine mechanism .
Eh, it's a 200 dollar sewing machine, what do you expect? It's heavier duty than other 200 dollar sewing machines, and if you have 200 dollars to spend on a machine, I doubt there's anything out there that is as well made and versatile. All of the machines on your recommended list are more expensive. I have used mine to sew canvas bimini tops with V-92 thread and heavy canvas, and to repair a Sunbrella boat cover. On both projects I was using thick thread and a thick needle and sewing through multiple layers of canvas, thick webbing, and velcro with no problem. I've also used it for numerous other canvas projects, as well as more delicate fabrics. Overall, given what I have already done with it, I'd say it was a bargain. Will I get a heavier duty machine if I get into bigger projects? Maybe, but in my opinion, this is an excellent first machine for someone learning to sew.
I’m in the market for a machine for normal sewing/quilting, but I do need to make repairs to my Bimini and dodger. I’ve been looking at both Singer and Janome HD models. What do you use on canvas?
@@trishatistream7894 I have the Singer Heavy Duty 4452. Works great. The only issue is it is a little tricky to get a slow start. When you put the pedal down slowly, it tends to stall until you push it hard enough that it starts up really fast. Ways around this are to either feather the pedal (i.e. push hard very briefly to get it going, then let up immediately before it starts going too fast) or give the manual dial a little twist to get it going while pushing lightly on the pedal.
I have a Singer HD 4452…. With that said, I purchased it during the height of Covid shut downs when no machines were available, and if they were, they were through the roof! It was affordable and ’s been good to me. I’ve made thousands of “donated” mask, bags, backpacks and It’s still going. No regrets.
Absolutely, the point I’m really trying to make here is not that they are terrible machines but that they are not better than other quality machines in the same price point.
@@KatchiVatchi But they are better, much better. I've got the 6360 HD and hands down is the best machine I've ever owned, and I'm 60! It sews anything and everything I want, just as described on Singer's website. And there are far more people standing by Singer HD than you realize.
I love the Singer HD. It was really cheap, it honestly goes through multiple layers of denim and thick leather like butter if you get a good needle. It has all the basic functionality I need to do anything from making simple pillowcases to dresses to adjusting thick leather pants and jeans. Sure I would rather have a Juki industrial grade one, but that is out of budget.
I think the point of the video was to say avoid allowing badges like Heavy Duty or Tough Series stop you from looking at more models, not to really say Singer HD is garbage. Despite what her cynical technician said. The matching heavy duty and jumping to a specialist straight stitcher was not well explained. First, heavy duty doesn't have a standard meaning for sewing machines so one person's heavy duty needs doesn't match another. Thus, arguments start. First, I would discard if you need a heavy duty machine. I think someone typically who wants a heavy duty machine doesn't have a clear idea of what fabrics they will use and just doesn't want a broken machine due to not knowing what to get. Someone who wants what she defined as heavy duty knows very well what they are using it for and wouldn't be looking for heavy duty but for something for their specific needs. Notice none of these industrial machines say heavy duty? It's typically the lower side that says HD. The Singer HD is a safe choice that is priced slightly higher for being a household name and overall no research generally do what you want big box available everywhere choice. So look for the sales. You can get better but it takes leg work doing the research and maybe literal leg work trying out sewing machines. But it's not like double the value better, just oh that's nice and I appreciate it better. You probably wouldn't miss it if you never experienced it.
I’ve owned the Singer HD 4452. I sew home decor, faux leather handbags with no problem. I recently purchased the Singer 6700c they can handle multiple layers of thick fabrics. I can sew up four layers. Of course an industrial machine has more power. I’m speaking honestly from experience
ok... So i started this video about an hour after I had watched a Teardown and view of the exact machine types. Sewing Machine Repair Guy on youtube did an actual breakdown by opening and showing you the inside of the machine. He broke down what parts were metal and what was plastic and why one could be fine being plastic. She started talking about how the motors only take so much in regards to power. The motor is always geared with a small gear on the motor and a big gear on the Top. they are belt driven and if a belt can work in a motorcycle they can and do work on a sewing machine. All of her rants were second-hand because she does not have the first-hand knowledge to understand what she is talking about. The electrical part was a huge giveaway on why she doesn't understand half the topics she is talking about. I think she is pushing for other brands. Babyloc is her push of choice. I won't watch more of her videos.
Thanks for the feedback! Yes a large portion of my opinion comes from secondhand information. And I have no qualms with plastic parts inside machines. The main point I was trying to make is this machine is not better than other basic sewing machines I would not consider it “heavy duty. As far as pushing specific brands actually really adore Juki Janome Babylock & brother sewing machine I just particularly find singers to be of lesser quality, so no, I won’t “push” those.
@@KatchiVatchi I get that... the key to the Heavy Duty versus nonheavy duty I suspect is within their own line. Is it heavy duty compared to a commercial product.... probably not. does it contain heavier components compared to the non-HD versions in their line? That is where I think it does. Me personally, when I viewed the video (especially after watching a repair video that showed what actually was heavy duty and why by having a stripped down model on the video and being an ex nuclear engineer) it was hard to hear much after the part when you spoke of the motors as the motor is only a MINOR part of what does or doesn't make a machine heavy duty.
Of course you get paid per view and comment so I guess this helps your algorithm. My Singer Simple and Heavy Duty both made it through the pandemic with basic maintenance. Not a single one of them failed me. Even now my Heavy Duty is making pageant gowns with all the sequins imaginable. No threads busting, there’s a broken needle here and there as with any other machine, and have used heavy fabrics. To each their own on this machine but I love it and do recommend
Im so so happy im reading the comments. I am basically trained more than 10years ago to sew and repair fabric. Im researching, i need cheap, im not going to be using this as my main income i just need cheap but reliable as well as able to run through tough thicker materials. I don't have the money for anything like what you're recommending.
I thought this to be very insightful. As someone who has sewn professionally for 45 years she nailed a lot of the basics that you should look for in a machine. At work I use everything from Jukis to Consews. At home I have a vintage PFAFF 1209 w/ a 1 amp motor and an older style front load rotary hook bobbin case that I can actually use for light leather and millinery.
I'm a yachty and needed a heavy duty sewing machine and something I could sew my clothes as well. I bought the Janome HD 3000 and couldn't be happier with it. It sews throught 12 lawyers of denims, sail covers and smaller sails, but once you take the sails off you would usually have a long lasting work done in a sails loft anyway, but its good for tears . It sews delecate fabrics like chiffon and silks. I've had this machine for 6 years and love it. The best thing is that its not Electronic so very few things go wrong. It has plenty of stitces including stretch and serving as well.
Weird. I must have gotten their rainbow unicorn. It's doing everything I need in terms of heavy duty. How many home sewers are in need of a Juki industrial or a Sailrite?
I have a singer HD and it works through everything, i can fit under the foot. 8 layers denim? No problem, doesnt even slow down much. It is a strong maschine targeted at new people to the Hobby who are searching for a maschine, that will do a lot of denim etc. Without problems and thats exactly what it does. And it is light and small enough to Just put it away when you dont use it. I think its the right marketing. Its not a disadvantage for the buyer. I wouldnt have bought a more expensive one.
I really wish I had watched this video a few years back. The "Heavy Duty" Singer was a struggle to make oven mitts, or hem blue jeans. Two layers of cotton was about it's limit. And forcing fabric under the pressor foot was a major pain and stitches came out very uneven. I got a Baby Lock Jubilant for Christmas. I was so happy when I watched your video and saw that you recommended Baby Lock. Thank you so much for this video to warn people of the frustration they'll have if the buy into the Singer lie of "Heavy Duty". Yes I was tempted to throw the "Heavy Duty" against the wall.
I’d rather take the opinion of the sewing machine repair guy who opened up the machines and explains what makes a machine sturdy or not or heavy duty or not based on actual data and knowledge of how machines work. Please watch his videos.
Yes you can invest in an expensive machine, but when they need repair, there lies a difficulty for a rural sewist. Invest in Singer HD and if unable to repair, you can buy another a few times over compared to high end machines.
I’m on my second Singer sewing machine (by choice I wanted to have a second one) and I sew hours and hours a day and it’s never had any problems. My first one is from 2014 and it’s never had a single issue
I can absolutely believe this, I simply make the point that these machines are no more heavy duty than a normal sewing machine. Many many machines can be sewn on for hours and hours for years and years, this is a normal function. By no means “heavy duty”. I’m glad your machines are serving you well!
Vintage singers can be so fun to collect! They are so neat and if you get them in good working order its kind of like taking an old car for a drive. It's about the experience. New machines are just easier to use. I'd look at the metal straight stitch machines like the juki tl 2010 or something like that.
If your Singer 301 still runs, and does the job for you, just keep it serviced. It'll be a better machine than most household sewing machines that are made today. Otherwise, invest in a commercial machine. You're used to the direct-drive motor that will sew most anything you can put under the foot. You can't get that in a household sewing machine today.
The name heavy duty is weird, but if you don't look at it as some professional industrial machine, rather casual hobby machine, then it really delivers. And the price is at that level as well. Personally I would recommend HD line over those cheaper non-HD white machines from Singer because those machines are slow and can't sew through thicker fabric.
I have the Singer 4432 Heavy Duty machine. I got it when they first came out. I didn't like it much at first, but I grew into it. I actually enjoy it now. I had a cheap Suinger basic machine that broke sewing denium. It busted, and the timing was way off. With the heavy duty one can sew denium. I don't care if it is hype or not. I'm pleased with my machine. It works for my needs. I have a vintage Singer 414G. That machine can do heavy duty. It doesn't do much more than a straight stitch, but it works. I get what you are saying. I do believe for a home machine the Heavy Duty is good enough. It does do more than the regular Singer does. I have a Husqvarna Viking Emerald machine too. It is a little more fussy but it's a good machine. I may be a sailor (In a Navy veteran) but I'm not going to sew sails. I'm not sewing layers of canvas. I'm not a machine snob.
Thank you for this comment.Is the heavy duty better than the emerald? I m doing research on buying my new machine,my old one is Husqvarna and emerald has metal parts as well.
@mariadimaki5742 I actually think the Emerald is a better machine overall. It is fusserier in the fact there is a learning curve, and you can only use Husqvarna presser feet. If you take the time to learn the machine, it is worth it. I was used to Singer brand, and the Husqvarna is definitely a step up. It's just getting used to the minor technical differences.
My 1990 Singer Quantum CSL is a total workhorse! I do a lot of upholstery, sometimes up to 4 layers of duck cloth or Sunbrella and with the proper needle and thread it’s never let me down. My main complaint is parts are hard to get.
I did a search on RUclips University for the Baby Lock Joy and watched a few of your videos and I am happy that the purchase I made. You said all the same things the wonderful Lori @Sierra Sewing told me! I took in a 1960 something Singer for repair and really am bummed that it was far more to fix it than buy new. I am only missing the nostalgia but you both have made my decision feel safe and sound! Thank you!
Are "heavy duty" and "industrial" synonymous? Not in my mind. The Singer HD is a good price for a machine that can sew through many layers of denim and canvas, for HOME use. I don't see Singer marketing these machines as capable of sewing boat sails.
I have the Singer 4452, Consew CP206RL, Janome HD3000BE, Singer HD110C, Elna XQuisit II, and Viking 21e. Also, just found a Singer Quantum XL6000 at Goodwill. The only ones not technically "Heavy Duty" are the Elna XQuisit and the Singer Quantum XL6000 (although both have more power than many Heavy Duty Machines (.9 amps Singer and Elna [same machines]). I have zero complaints regarding the Singer 4452. Sews denim and even light leather.
Suspicious video, detailed teardowns by professional tecnicians clearly show it can sew through leather layers to the max height the machine can fit, without forcing the motor to go over amp and start burning out. Metal gears and parts across the entire drive train from power source to needle maintaining torque. The external shell can be removed in pieces to facilitate lubricating the components easily, it's designed with maintenance in mind. That's "heavy duty" to me for a consumer grade product...
hi guys I am a beginner What would I buy for sewing leather, plastic as well heavy fabrics? Any brand specific models etc.? Thanks, guys, for your time.
I bought a singer 4452 brand new for 100 bucks at auction and it's been fantastic for me for the price point. Solid build and the insides are well put together. There is definitely a difference between these
4:55 If you say that you have "1 amp" of "power" only tells me that you don't understand physics. Watts is the unit for power, ampere is unit for current and as these machines use variable voltage, the amperage doesn't tell you much. What you really need for thick fabric would be torque and you cannot convert ampere or power to torque without knowing the gearing over the whole machine.
I'm just a casual user and don't sew on a regular basis, just when I need to repair a tear or take up a seam, ie: simple stuff. I inherited my mother's 1950 Singer Featherweight 221-1. She used it extensively to make many of our clothes, since we lived in Mexico at the time. It works beautifully and it's really in pristine condition. The only thing missing is her button hole adapter which got lost somewhere along the way. It's 75 years old now! Wouldn't trade it for anything.
One indication that heavy duty is just a marketing term is looking how Singer market the same machines in different countries. In Brazil it is not called "heavy duty" (or the equivalent in Portuguese). It is called "Facilita Pro" (which translates to "Ease Pro").
@@itsdawit How doesn't it? The same product being marketed differently for different markets is an indication that it is more about the perceived value and public perception than its actual build quality.
Hmmm-- the Sewing Machine Repair Guy tested out the Singer Heavy Duty line with all sorts of electronic gizmos and said it really is a heavy duty machine. I have seen the Janome HD1000 compared with a "normal" home machine and it really does handle more. It may be a marketing thing, but that doesn't make it not actually heavy duty.
Oops, no, you're referring to an industrial machine:-). Heavy Duty and industrial are 2 different things. HD means thick layers. But you're right, I would not sew on the Singer HD for hours a day. For that I have my Singer Studio 16.
You've given me points to think about. I've sewn since I was a school-girl, but haven't sewn in the last few years as I've had other things I've needed to deal with. Now I want to get back into it and sew up the stash of fabric that I have in the cupboard. I got my old machine out and thought 'I forgot how much I hate this machine', so I thought it must be time to get a machine that I love. The machine I had before this one was a Janome, I don't know the model, but I bought it when I left school and the metal pieces started breaking. I was devasted. It did weigh a tonne and I could hardly lift it. So the newer ones are better for lightness factor. Now I'm going to list what I hate about my current machine and what I stitches etc I need. Thanks for the video.
I bought one because it was a manual machine with no computer chips in it. Has enough stitches for all I need, 1100 stitches per minute and I also ordered extra feet to do all I need to do. Should last rest of my life as I'm in my 60s. Have a manual Kenmore from the 70s or 80s and it's still going strong. I've worn out several computerized machines. Never never again on computerized! Also my 1947 Singer from my grandma still going strong but only a straight stitch. Everyone has different needs. I'm an expert seamstress with 50 years experience and after weeks of research I chose the Singer 4452. Very satisfied with it.
I’ve been sewing since age 13 and it is too heavy duty I sewed over a yard stick did you try it maybe you got a dud. I paid 200. And to slam this is bad. I e sewed over layers of leather coat recycle jackets it worked for me and others and the machine means heavy duty drapes leather it never said it is industrial use for the home it doesn’t claim that non the machine. Most ppl at home don’t sew over plastic. I’ve had it 8 yrs and it’s easy to maintain and inside mine is metal
I have the Singer 6217c which was the heavy duty of its day. It's 30 years old now and I'm still sewing! Not sure if it's heavy duty with regard to sewing (although 30 years!) but the frame is so superior to anything they are building these days unfortunately and the presser foot lever is metal! On the downside, it's so heavy to lift!
I was considering Singer Heavy duty but now I will explore some more options. Thanks for sharing your experience. It'll certainly help people to look past the marketing gimmicks.
the singer machines have a 1 amp motor. using the proper needle and thread will allow you to do some heavy sewing. it actually isnt a marketing gimmick these are not meant to ne a commercial machine but i know of several that is being used in that manner be it as a back up for when their commercial consew is off to be serviced. same with the brother st i know of another who uses the brother st machine in his leather shop. again its not used 24x7 but maybe a couple times a week. but seriously how many of us need a 100% duty cycle sewing machine? and yes these hd machines will sew heavier fabrics for the simple reason of having the means of fitting thicker stack under the lifter foot. and the janome hd3000 has all metal gears that if you dont push the sewing machine hard it will last a lot longer then the brother made babylock joy recommended. sad thing is they no longer put a 750watt motor in the machine and are only using 500watts.
I will give you some advice that repair men will not: slow the fuck down and use the correct needle for the canvas or leather your trying to ram through, and you won't break your machine
A walking foot is a must sewing soft furnishings. The 4423 works so well when using it and you get better results every time. It regulates 2 layers of different weights of fabric so you get a flat seam.
here in EGYPT we only have SINGER and BROTHER machines .. i want a machine for garment small business but solid to stand me for a long time ,, H.D is better or simple 3232 ? or brother is better ? Brother is cheaper here after taxes ,, buying babylock without reparing options here sounds wrong .. please help me ! shipping it across is right or buy from here bc of the garantee ?
I am researching for an industrial machine and I’m glad I found your video as I was considering one of these as they’re cheaper but it looks not a lot better than my 30 year old brother thanks.
Great video. I'm mostly in agreement with your opinion, but having sewn on the machine and pulled the covers off, I think it deserves good marks among PoS machines. BTW, the Singer HD series is one of several brands (Bernette B05, Pfaff 160s, Necchi Q132A, etc.) that offer a clone of this machine. The plastic skin, features and accessories vary, but the base machine is the same. We have a Necchi Q132A version. It's not the smoothest, straightest, most powerful, but it does a good job (for a cheap machine) on material considered heavy by modern home machine standards. It will handle heavier poly and lighter nylon thread and responds to tension adjustments well. It punches thru extended runs of maximum thickness (6mm?) fabric (denim, etc.) at speed with no strain. It will sew some coated nylon, webbing, garment leather, etc., but technique, (start position, attack, thread tension...), needle type (denim, leather) and possibly thread lube are important. It's reasonably well designed internally. There is a fair amount of metal where plastic is often found (on modern machines in the price range). It's simple to access, clean, oil and adjust (internally). High mortality rate parts are cheap, common and appear uncomplicated to replace. There are some (felt washer) oil points which help with durability. It's not a lifetime machine or worth expensive repairs, but among PoSs there is a decent value proposition in the heavy duty marketing. Can it sew with my Bernina 1030, Pfaff 1222SE or Juki walking foot, no, but IMHO it's (they are) a good value.
I love my Singer HD been using it for over two years. I've made several bags with it, it's a fantastic workhorse. Will it do as much as an industrial machine will do, no of course not. It's not meant to, because it's still a domestic machine just one with a little more power.
I want to buy a Heavy Duty Machine to sew through eight layers of silk. Can I purchase a Cowboy CB3200 stitcher to get started? Its my very first sewing machine...
I bought the 4452 last spring and use it with a multitude of indoor and outdoor upholstery fabrics and automotive leather and vinyl, using T45-90 polyester thread (in the bobbin also) ... so far so good for me at least ... it seems to handle them just fine :)
I bought the latest singer heavy duty computerized bundled with the hard case for 260 after a lot of research. Wanted it for denim. It can go through 10+ layers of denim with ease. Why buy a lesser machine that cant even do a zigzag stitch for only a little bit less money.
Thank you for putting g HD machines where they belong on the buying list. Years ago I needed a stretch stitch machine so I went shopping with a $20 bill in my purse and the only 4-5 stitches I needed. Kenmore fit my bill and I've had her for years. Currently looking for a mechanical machine that I can use set up with a different thread, double needle, whatever and almost fell into the HD talk. Was more into the metal frame lasting longer. (At 70 y.o. forever is exactly what I need. Lol. ) Thank you for letting me know that I was right to keep on looking ~~ not saying I won't get one but knowing facts is important. Once again, thank you.
Im new sewer. I will need to sunbrella materials for my sail projects. HD velcro, snaps with backing for the patch are on occasion nylon webbing similar to belts. From what i see a straight and zig zag stitching. Could you recomend a machine? Thank you
one very important thing is . with singer some attachments will not fit non heavy duty sewing machines! if you want those extra attachments such as ruffle pressor foot it is compatible with the heavy duty since it is high shank. and not compatible with ei. traditional which is low shank.
Totally disagree! Brand pushing and brand bashing isn’t a good look on any one! I have both janome and singer heavy duty, and surprise surprise my heavy duty will sew layers of fabrics, batting, insulbright, handle straps and zipper in one go as well as top stitch those layers after! My Janome won’t! But is excellent on piecing and FMQ.. So you do the math people n test drive for yourself and not listen to those that are just dumping on others marketing and products!
I had one of these machines. I inherited it from my mom. I was not pleased with how fast it deteriorated. She never got to use it before she passed away but refurbishing sewing machines. I have learned that you guys can find a Kenmore 158 model from the 1970s, especially a 158.1941 or a 158. 158. 1760 or 158. 1930 and there are many others. The 1760 the 1930 use cams. You can get flatbed and you can get free arm and I picked up mine for $100 or less with attachments. They're not hard to get running. They're in great shape and they do everything that the other sewing machine will do and then some and it's all metal. All the gears are metal. Everything's metal and I'm quite happy with my machines. They do everything I need them to do will ever want them to do and replacement parts are easy to find. Easy to come by and getting somebody to work on. It is just as hard as getting somebody to work on any of the other machines. Apparently there is a an extreme shortage of people who service and work on sewing machines because I have been asked by lots of people if I wouldn't mind servicing or fixing theirs but I do have plastic modern machines. They just don't hold up in my opinion to what some of the older vintage machines do and I have sewn leather with mine and thick material without a whole lot of issues. Mostly trying to get the material to lay the way I want it to not any with the machine
I just completed a timing repair on a friend's Heavy Duty 4411. A couple of years ago I considered buying one. The look sharp and there are lots of Singer and independent videos on YT about the HD line of machines. The problem that I had then and now, is that I just can not stand they fact that they are really plastic cases for some metal guts, and a lot of plastic guts too. My background is in metal Singer domestic and industrial machines from the 1920s to 1960s. Once I deduced that the problem was a timing issue, in good faith I had to ask my friend if they really wanted me to try to repair it because it would involve getting into the machine and taking some plastic covers off. Yeah, I was worried about the covers breaking somehow. And when I went through the stitch patterns to make sure the timing was going to work all around, I was on needles and pins about that unnaturally big stitch selector knob. Feels like it and the attached internal rod could snap/separate/crack at any time. Unfortunately, we are in a world of cheap plastics for profits world. So, the odds of getting a mid-priced (ex $150-250) domestic machine with patterns and reverse that is going to last more than say, 10-20 years of frequent use is slim. Just don't break one of these machines. The repair bill may be as much or more than you paid for it.
So people shouldn’t buy it because it has heavy duty on it? Everyone knows you can’t buy an industrial machine at Walmart…In todays market more domestic machines (in this price range) have nonmetal frames/components. It’s popular because it’s a solid machine for the money.
There are better solid machines in the price point or even cheaper that are going to hold up equally as well. I don’t want people to be duped by Heavy Duty, when other quality machines for $200-$250 will perform better or equal for possibly longer even. Heavy duty is a marketing ploy and isn’t providing the services that the name implies
I am sewing since more then 40 years, as a job for 20 years, and I am looking for faster sewing machine, mechanican (not computer), with triple zigzag. It does not need to be stronger than normal domestic machines,just faster and with elastic stitches , since I am sewing elastic fabrics mostly. - Can anyone tell me, it the Singer Heavy Duty is faster then usual household machines?
The Singer heavy duty went through leather for me just fine. Much better then the standard ones. My Janome HD is going through thick materials like butter so... I think it does help?
Do you need a zig zag stitch? My go to for that would be the juki 2000qi, but it runs about $700 and is only a straight stitch machine. I say it bc it sounds kind of like you’re doing a business. If it is a business I’d got for that or a sail rite if you need a zig zag. If just making the occasional tent or personal sewing projects a Babylock joy could sew all those things but it’s not meant to do it all day every day for years on end.
@@KatchiVatchi Not a business as of yet but that is why I want to learn the skill. Never sewn before. Was looking at heavy duty singer but not anymore after watching your video. I imagine I would need zig zag. Thank you very much for your response.
Like this video but have to say I did buy a singer hd and I do love it. Its sooo much better than my old machine. I guess it's all relative. My old machine was much weaker and couldn't handle anything thicker than a couple layers of cotton. I don't think anyone thinks the singer hd is a professional machine, but it definitely does handle leather easily, which is what most people will want it for.
Is janome hd1000,hd3000,hd5000 basically the same machine but different exterior and upgraded features as numbers go up but essentially the save machine? Or is the hd3000 and 5000 different machine in all.. and Janome is actually heavy duty or are they marketing heavy duty like singer and is it really just a regular sewing machine?
The Janome hd series are primarily marketing on a regular sewing machine. The reason I would opt for them would be that overall/across the board they have a high build quality than singer. And yes, the 1000/3000/5000 are all pretty much the same guys with added features and stitches.
@@KatchiVatchi I am trying to buy the HD3000, but I am unsure. I have an old singer, I hate it and I think it's stopping me from advancing. Do you recommend the Janome HD3000? On Amazon it's about 280$. There are sooooo many options on the market and I've delayed buying one for so long because it is so confusing.
I fell for the wording on machine - the Heavy Duty on Singer. During lockdown I bought one and regret it. It’s noisy and slow and it’s light. It kept jumping backwards during fast sewing. I have a old Pfaff and I’m sticking to Pfaff forever.. Thank you so much for highlighting what many people are experiencing with this Singer Heavy duty crap machine.
My 1930 Singer model 66 has the same amps as the 4423. The big difference I notice is when I turn the old one by hand it's smooth as butter and there is almost no resistance. The new one is twice as hard to rotate. That means to me that more of the power from the motor is there to punch through fabric and less is being ate up by friction inside. I haven't actually used the old one yet, I don't even know how to use it to be honest. I haven't watched that video yet. I want to put a new motor on it, the old one looks tired. I think the 4423 has three belts compared to one as well. I don't know if adding all the extras like reverse the moveable needle, and the different stiches is what robs the power or if it's just not made with the same precision. I was pretty surprised when I first picked up the Heavy Duty SInger. I almost threw it it was so light. I don't care if they want to be funny and call it that. It does what it should for the money and it can be serviced.
as a viual artist i sometimes ask a lot of my machine and oftentimes break trough multiple needles or can barely fit the fabric under the presser foot. I was considering a singer heavy duty but now feel that i might run into the same problems there.. my problem however is that my studio is not on the ground floor therefore i cannot bing in a hevy metal frame. my only fear with buying those other brands is that maybe there's no servicing around when components break/need replacing...
The Tock Custom channel did a stress test on this one, and it was able to sew at least 2 layers of leather, and 19 layers of duck fabric. Another lady did something like 12 layers of denim. I know people who own regular machines that can’t even pull off 2 layers of denim, so this model seems pretty solid.
I saw another video testing various sewing machine brands. From what I gathered, the Brother sewing machines are good compared to other brands. What do you think?
It's called Heavy Duty because the insides are made of metal rather than plastic, which isn't what you expect at the price they charge. This is a great machine I think you just using it for the wrong sorts of things. If you want to sew industrial heavy duty fabrics then you wouldn't be spending $200 on a home machine. It's a little misleading how you presented this.
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Who are the fools giving this a thumbs down? Rude!
Great video. Keep it up!
Right!? Thanks Tim!
Because she is wrong
Where can you see the thumbs down, I thought it was banned to press that button
RUclips removed it rather recently.
Probably the people that fell for the gimmick and bought one.
Glad I've read the comments.
I've been sewing for 52 years. This is my 4th machine and it does everything it promised. I've sewn heavy upholstery fabric and even welted seams on heavy duty outdoor fabric to sew my own trailer awning. It preformed better than any other machine I've ever owned with heavy fabrics. I never saw anything on the box when I purchased it claiming to be an industrial machine. It's held up well for the six years I've owned it and has never given me any trouble. I only paid $200 for it and am not ashamed to sit next to women at quilting retreats with machines five times the expense of mine. My Singer Heavy Duty is a beast but light enough to lug around. I don't think they are pretending to be anything other than what they are.
Well said!
Absolutely. I’ve used mine to make awning for a horse trailer, heavy canvas skirting for a stage, costumes of ultrasuede, denim, cotton, linen and silk, a canvas lined leather bag, webbing straps for tie-downs, kites from ripstop nylon and more, more, more. It has the FLEXIBILITY to deal with heavier weight fabrics without clunking out, has everything I need without all the other $$$ features I don’t need and is a mechanical machine so I can take it apart and service it myself. All for $100 on sale. Case closed.
Very useful comment, thank you Melinda.
Exactly! Sail covers and boat upholstery, vinyl, the Singer HD works well. Can punch through 6+ layers of canvas. I've used mine for more than 5 years. Yeah... next step is an industrial machine... when I find room and feeling like The Hulk. The Singer HD is straight forward, simple, easy to service and maintain.
I completely agree with you! And thank you so much for this comment. I just bought the Heavy Duty 6360 with the accessories I wanted-$220....a great price. I'm so in love with this machine and it does everything the website says. So this persons video here is so wrong and Singer isn't selling any hype at all.
Thanks again and happy sewing!
I found a used sewing machine dealer, I told him I wanted a sturdy clothing capacity machine. He told me "I have just the thing you need," a Sears Kenmore, 1980's vintage, made in Japan. It's almost entirely machined metal parts, and has a step reduction speed drive that walks through blue jean/canvass layered fabrics relentlessly. It had very low hours use like many used machines and I really like it. Sold to me for $300.00
Sorry, no!
When compared to the stuff in it's price range, the Singer Heavy duty is exactly that, Heavy Duty. i.e. You won't get a machine that stays with you longer and works harder IN THAT PRICE RANGE!
Two very popular international brands have failed me repeatedly, while my Singer Heavy Duty 4432, just keeps going. I can sew silk today and 3 layers of canvas tomorrow, both without so much as a single lost stitch. No other EQUALLY PRICED machine, has been able to grant me the same level of utility. I've made garments, belts, wallets and more! Even 2cm sponge sandwiched between 4 layers of webbing and two layers of felt, is no challenge for this machine. Yes, you can't be half asleep when doing that, and you can't do it 12 hours a day, 365 days a week, but you can do it more often than not, and it will get the job done.
Which brings me to my next point:
There is a difference between Heavy Duty and Industrial. And no, the Singer Heavy Duty is NOT an INDUSTRIAL sewing machine, if you need an INDUSTRIAL sewing machine get a JUKI, or even better; Go rescue that old Singer K320 or K319 from your grandmother's attic. They are damn near indestructible, and capable of dealing with heavy upholstery jobs on a daily basis. In fact, the Singer K320 and K319 were considered industrial machines in their time and yes, many sail boats sported sails made using these machines, but I would not use them to make modern sails of Dacron. For that, your best bet is still Sailrite.
The Singer Heavy Duty range fills a gap between home sewing and industrial sewing, at a price that still falls comfortably in the home sewing range. Don't expect it to be an industrial sewing machine and you'll have a far more reliable machine than anything else I've seen IN IT'S PRICE RANGE.
Well-explained.
I would agree that older singers are comparable but my experience has been that there are more reliable quality machines in this price range FOR sure. And there are equally crummy machines in this range as well.
@@KatchiVatchi Please share links to those machines. Getting better than the Singer for 200 USD would be amazing.
Totally agree!
Well said, totally agree with you Dirk.
The machines you're recommending are EXPENSIVE. The Singer H.D. line on the other hand is relatively affordable. For me it is the basic machine but with the bonus features that it can sew fast, all weights and layers of materials, won't break the bank, portable, and there are videos that explain how to use it.
Yes! I am tired of the snobbery online, the way people think everyone needs an 800 dollar machine out the gate
@@JoJo-ie8sl Yes, me too! All the machines on her list are ridiculous in price. I love my Singer HD....great machine!
I have Singer HD and 230€ was enough for sewing machine.
For most of the average audience sewing at home, theyre decent machines and affordable. One thing that i really hate in the online sewing community is the snobbery, sneering at people on a budget and looking down on any one not buying a 500 dollar machine out the gate. Not saying that this video is the snobbery but its definitely a problem in forums and reddits
I left the sewing reddit a few years back when I saw them belittle a nice lady who was respectfully asking for help with a singer. She had an 11 year as I recall who was interested in sewing and she didnt want to sink a lot of cash into a machine at least until her daughter stuck with it and showed whether this was what she really wanted to do. For someone like that, a Singer HD is perfectly fine. But no, those people posting were so rude, telling her she was being cheap and she should just buck up for a Janome that was twice her budget. How is that helpful?
@@JoJo-ie8sl Reddit seems to hate singers!! i get it it’s not heavy duty but it’s still a good machine! but what i hate the most is when they keep recommending me to get a vintage and used machine. like i’m sorry but i can’t find any of those and i don’t want to have to get it serviced because it might be broken 😒 reddit can be helpful but not when it comes to sewing/sewing machines…
Totally agree
Agree!! I bought an expensive baby lock that is sitting unused because it was having major issues within a month of buying it. I have a basic singer that is amazing and reliable. The singer HDs can handle heavier fabrics so I don't know what this video is about.
I purchased a Husky star on sale for $ 800.00 have had nothing but problems, as soon as I try to sew over a seam, it hammers and then strikes the needle plate. Just had it repaired $200 and it started again. So I am looking at a Singer 4452 and wondering if it has all metal or plastic in the machine mechanism .
Eh, it's a 200 dollar sewing machine, what do you expect? It's heavier duty than other 200 dollar sewing machines, and if you have 200 dollars to spend on a machine, I doubt there's anything out there that is as well made and versatile. All of the machines on your recommended list are more expensive. I have used mine to sew canvas bimini tops with V-92 thread and heavy canvas, and to repair a Sunbrella boat cover. On both projects I was using thick thread and a thick needle and sewing through multiple layers of canvas, thick webbing, and velcro with no problem. I've also used it for numerous other canvas projects, as well as more delicate fabrics. Overall, given what I have already done with it, I'd say it was a bargain. Will I get a heavier duty machine if I get into bigger projects? Maybe, but in my opinion, this is an excellent first machine for someone learning to sew.
Actually, the older 50’s Singers would be better machines and you can often get a real deal on them.
I’m in the market for a machine for normal sewing/quilting, but I do need to make repairs to my Bimini and dodger. I’ve been looking at both Singer and Janome HD models. What do you use on canvas?
@@trishatistream7894 I have the Singer Heavy Duty 4452. Works great. The only issue is it is a little tricky to get a slow start. When you put the pedal down slowly, it tends to stall until you push it hard enough that it starts up really fast. Ways around this are to either feather the pedal (i.e. push hard very briefly to get it going, then let up immediately before it starts going too fast) or give the manual dial a little twist to get it going while pushing lightly on the pedal.
@@douglashedenkamp1087 Thanks!
I have a Singer HD 4452…. With that said, I purchased it during the height of Covid shut downs when no machines were available, and if they were, they were through the roof! It was affordable and ’s been good to me. I’ve made thousands of “donated” mask, bags, backpacks and It’s still going. No regrets.
Absolutely, the point I’m really trying to make here is not that they are terrible machines but that they are not better than other quality machines in the same price point.
@@KatchiVatchi But they are better, much better. I've got the 6360 HD and hands down is the best machine I've ever owned, and I'm 60! It sews anything and everything I want, just as described on Singer's website. And there are far more people standing by Singer HD than you realize.
I love the Singer HD. It was really cheap, it honestly goes through multiple layers of denim and thick leather like butter if you get a good needle. It has all the basic functionality I need to do anything from making simple pillowcases to dresses to adjusting thick leather pants and jeans. Sure I would rather have a Juki industrial grade one, but that is out of budget.
I think the point of the video was to say avoid allowing badges like Heavy Duty or Tough Series stop you from looking at more models, not to really say Singer HD is garbage. Despite what her cynical technician said.
The matching heavy duty and jumping to a specialist straight stitcher was not well explained. First, heavy duty doesn't have a standard meaning for sewing machines so one person's heavy duty needs doesn't match another. Thus, arguments start. First, I would discard if you need a heavy duty machine. I think someone typically who wants a heavy duty machine doesn't have a clear idea of what fabrics they will use and just doesn't want a broken machine due to not knowing what to get. Someone who wants what she defined as heavy duty knows very well what they are using it for and wouldn't be looking for heavy duty but for something for their specific needs. Notice none of these industrial machines say heavy duty? It's typically the lower side that says HD.
The Singer HD is a safe choice that is priced slightly higher for being a household name and overall no research generally do what you want big box available everywhere choice. So look for the sales. You can get better but it takes leg work doing the research and maybe literal leg work trying out sewing machines. But it's not like double the value better, just oh that's nice and I appreciate it better. You probably wouldn't miss it if you never experienced it.
I’ve owned the Singer HD 4452. I sew home decor, faux leather handbags with no problem. I recently purchased the Singer 6700c they can handle multiple layers of thick fabrics. I can sew up four layers. Of course an industrial machine has more power. I’m speaking honestly from experience
ok... So i started this video about an hour after I had watched a Teardown and view of the exact machine types. Sewing Machine Repair Guy on youtube did an actual breakdown by opening and showing you the inside of the machine. He broke down what parts were metal and what was plastic and why one could be fine being plastic.
She started talking about how the motors only take so much in regards to power. The motor is always geared with a small gear on the motor and a big gear on the Top. they are belt driven and if a belt can work in a motorcycle they can and do work on a sewing machine. All of her rants were second-hand because she does not have the first-hand knowledge to understand what she is talking about. The electrical part was a huge giveaway on why she doesn't understand half the topics she is talking about.
I think she is pushing for other brands. Babyloc is her push of choice.
I won't watch more of her videos.
Thanks for the feedback! Yes a large portion of my opinion comes from secondhand information. And I have no qualms with plastic parts inside machines. The main point I was trying to make is this machine is not better than other basic sewing machines I would not consider it “heavy duty. As far as pushing specific brands actually really adore Juki Janome Babylock & brother sewing machine I just particularly find singers to be of lesser quality, so no, I won’t “push” those.
@@KatchiVatchi I get that... the key to the Heavy Duty versus nonheavy duty I suspect is within their own line. Is it heavy duty compared to a commercial product.... probably not. does it contain heavier components compared to the non-HD versions in their line? That is where I think it does. Me personally, when I viewed the video (especially after watching a repair video that showed what actually was heavy duty and why by having a stripped down model on the video and being an ex nuclear engineer) it was hard to hear much after the part when you spoke of the motors as the motor is only a MINOR part of what does or doesn't make a machine heavy duty.
Of course you get paid per view and comment so I guess this helps your algorithm. My Singer Simple and Heavy Duty both made it through the pandemic with basic maintenance. Not a single one of them failed me. Even now my Heavy Duty is making pageant gowns with all the sequins imaginable. No threads busting, there’s a broken needle here and there as with any other machine, and have used heavy fabrics. To each their own on this machine but I love it and do recommend
I second that. I love my singer HD
Im so so happy im reading the comments. I am basically trained more than 10years ago to sew and repair fabric. Im researching, i need cheap, im not going to be using this as my main income i just need cheap but reliable as well as able to run through tough thicker materials. I don't have the money for anything like what you're recommending.
I thought this to be very insightful.
As someone who has sewn professionally for 45 years she nailed a lot of the basics that you should look for in a machine.
At work I use everything from Jukis to Consews.
At home I have a vintage PFAFF 1209 w/ a 1 amp motor and an older style front load rotary hook bobbin case that I can actually use for light leather and millinery.
I'm a yachty and needed a heavy duty sewing machine and something I could sew my clothes as well. I bought the Janome HD 3000 and couldn't be happier with it. It sews throught 12 lawyers of denims, sail covers and smaller sails, but once you take the sails off you would usually have a long lasting work done in a sails loft anyway, but its good for tears . It sews delecate fabrics like chiffon and silks. I've had this machine for 6 years and love it. The best thing is that its not Electronic so very few things go wrong. It has plenty of stitces including stretch and serving as well.
Hey thanks for sharing. Janome makes awesome stuff.
Weird. I must have gotten their rainbow unicorn. It's doing everything I need in terms of heavy duty. How many home sewers are in need of a Juki industrial or a Sailrite?
I have a singer HD and it works through everything, i can fit under the foot. 8 layers denim? No problem, doesnt even slow down much. It is a strong maschine targeted at new people to the Hobby who are searching for a maschine, that will do a lot of denim etc. Without problems and thats exactly what it does. And it is light and small enough to Just put it away when you dont use it. I think its the right marketing. Its not a disadvantage for the buyer. I wouldnt have bought a more expensive one.
Really ironic that you didn't actually show the machines not doing what they claim ???
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I really wish I had watched this video a few years back. The "Heavy Duty" Singer was a struggle to make oven mitts, or hem blue jeans. Two layers of cotton was about it's limit. And forcing fabric under the pressor foot was a major pain and stitches came out very uneven. I got a Baby Lock Jubilant for Christmas. I was so happy when I watched your video and saw that you recommended Baby Lock. Thank you so much for this video to warn people of the frustration they'll have if the buy into the Singer lie of "Heavy Duty". Yes I was tempted to throw the "Heavy Duty" against the wall.
I’d rather take the opinion of the sewing machine repair guy who opened up the machines and explains what makes a machine sturdy or not or heavy duty or not based on actual data and knowledge of how machines work. Please watch his videos.
Yes you can invest in an expensive machine, but when they need repair, there lies a difficulty for a rural sewist. Invest in Singer HD and if unable to repair, you can buy another a few times over compared to high end machines.
I’m on my second Singer sewing machine (by choice I wanted to have a second one) and I sew hours and hours a day and it’s never had any problems. My first one is from 2014 and it’s never had a single issue
I can absolutely believe this, I simply make the point that these machines are no more heavy duty than a normal sewing machine. Many many machines can be sewn on for hours and hours for years and years, this is a normal function. By no means “heavy duty”. I’m glad your machines are serving you well!
I have a vintage Singer and it is all metal. I love that 301A! I', not sure which machine I should look at next.
Vintage singers can be so fun to collect! They are so neat and if you get them in good working order its kind of like taking an old car for a drive. It's about the experience. New machines are just easier to use. I'd look at the metal straight stitch machines like the juki tl 2010 or something like that.
If your Singer 301 still runs, and does the job for you, just keep it serviced. It'll be a better machine than most household sewing machines that are made today. Otherwise, invest in a commercial machine. You're used to the direct-drive motor that will sew most anything you can put under the foot. You can't get that in a household sewing machine today.
The name heavy duty is weird, but if you don't look at it as some professional industrial machine, rather casual hobby machine, then it really delivers. And the price is at that level as well. Personally I would recommend HD line over those cheaper non-HD white machines from Singer because those machines are slow and can't sew through thicker fabric.
I've had mine for 6/7 years and for home sewing sewing..I live it..2 of my sewing machine mechanics say it is one of the better home sewing machines
I have the Singer 4432 Heavy Duty machine. I got it when they first came out.
I didn't like it much at first, but I grew into it. I actually enjoy it now.
I had a cheap Suinger basic machine that broke sewing denium. It busted, and the timing was way off. With the heavy duty one can sew denium.
I don't care if it is hype or not. I'm pleased with my machine. It works for my needs.
I have a vintage Singer 414G. That machine can do heavy duty. It doesn't do much more than a straight stitch, but it works.
I get what you are saying. I do believe for a home machine the Heavy Duty is good enough. It does do more than the regular Singer does.
I have a Husqvarna Viking Emerald machine too. It is a little more fussy but it's a good machine.
I may be a sailor (In a Navy veteran) but I'm not going to sew sails. I'm not sewing layers of canvas.
I'm not a machine snob.
Thank you for this comment.Is the heavy duty better than the emerald? I m doing research on buying my new machine,my old one is Husqvarna and emerald has metal parts as well.
@mariadimaki5742 I actually think the Emerald is a better machine overall. It is fusserier in the fact there is a learning curve, and you can only use Husqvarna presser feet.
If you take the time to learn the machine, it is worth it. I was used to Singer brand, and the Husqvarna is definitely a step up. It's just getting used to the minor technical differences.
Singer 4452 sews thick leather great.. not sure which your referring to
Could i place a fabric that is 1/4 inch thick under the presser feet of this sewing machine ?
Yep
I just made a sheepskin zip up hoodie with mine and it worked great. Easiest machine to use. The titanium needles work awesome in it.
My 1990 Singer Quantum CSL is a total workhorse! I do a lot of upholstery, sometimes up to 4 layers of duck cloth or Sunbrella and with the proper needle and thread it’s never let me down. My main complaint is parts are hard to get.
I did a search on RUclips University for the Baby Lock Joy and watched a few of your videos and I am happy that the purchase I made. You said all the same things the wonderful Lori @Sierra Sewing told me! I took in a 1960 something Singer for repair and really am bummed that it was far more to fix it than buy new. I am only missing the nostalgia but you both have made my decision feel safe and sound! Thank you!
Are "heavy duty" and "industrial" synonymous? Not in my mind. The Singer HD is a good price for a machine that can sew through many layers of denim and canvas, for HOME use. I don't see Singer marketing these machines as capable of sewing boat sails.
So, it's not for sewing boat sails? :(
I have the Singer 4452, Consew CP206RL, Janome HD3000BE, Singer HD110C, Elna XQuisit II, and Viking 21e. Also, just found a Singer Quantum XL6000 at Goodwill. The only ones not technically "Heavy Duty" are the Elna XQuisit and the Singer Quantum XL6000 (although both have more power than many Heavy Duty Machines (.9 amps Singer and Elna [same machines]). I have zero complaints regarding the Singer 4452. Sews denim and even light leather.
This is the information I've been looking for. Thanks
Suspicious video, detailed teardowns by professional tecnicians clearly show it can sew through leather layers to the max height the machine can fit, without forcing the motor to go over amp and start burning out. Metal gears and parts across the entire drive train from power source to needle maintaining torque. The external shell can be removed in pieces to facilitate lubricating the components easily, it's designed with maintenance in mind.
That's "heavy duty" to me for a consumer grade product...
Yeah, I'm here to say my 4423 from 2019 still am works. It has seen 8 layers of 11oz canvas.
hi guys
I am a beginner
What would I buy for sewing leather, plastic as well heavy fabrics?
Any brand specific models etc.?
Thanks, guys, for your time.
I bought a singer 4452 brand new for 100 bucks at auction and it's been fantastic for me for the price point. Solid build and the insides are well put together. There is definitely a difference between these
I sewed two tote bags with a Singer 4411 and I couldn't get it to work anymore unless my tension was set to max.
4:55 If you say that you have "1 amp" of "power" only tells me that you don't understand physics. Watts is the unit for power, ampere is unit for current and as these machines use variable voltage, the amperage doesn't tell you much. What you really need for thick fabric would be torque and you cannot convert ampere or power to torque without knowing the gearing over the whole machine.
I'm just a casual user and don't sew on a regular basis, just when I need to repair a tear or take up a seam, ie: simple stuff. I inherited my mother's 1950 Singer Featherweight 221-1. She used it extensively to make many of our clothes, since we lived in Mexico at the time. It works beautifully and it's really in pristine condition. The only thing missing is her button hole adapter which got lost somewhere along the way. It's 75 years old now! Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Where was this video 3 years ago, I got my heavy duty singer machine when the pandemic hit and it's 2 times now that I need it repaired
One indication that heavy duty is just a marketing term is looking how Singer market the same machines in different countries. In Brazil it is not called "heavy duty" (or the equivalent in Portuguese). It is called "Facilita Pro" (which translates to "Ease Pro").
that deoesnt indicate anything
@@itsdawit How doesn't it? The same product being marketed differently for different markets is an indication that it is more about the perceived value and public perception than its actual build quality.
What if I need to sew denim?
I'm looking to buy my first sewing machine and this video was very informative. Thx
Great content, I appreciate the honesty of getting the right tool for the job when it comes to sewing machines.
Hmmm-- the Sewing Machine Repair Guy tested out the Singer Heavy Duty line with all sorts of electronic gizmos and said it really is a heavy duty machine. I have seen the Janome HD1000 compared with a "normal" home machine and it really does handle more. It may be a marketing thing, but that doesn't make it not actually heavy duty.
Oops, no, you're referring to an industrial machine:-). Heavy Duty and industrial are 2 different things. HD means thick layers. But you're right, I would not sew on the Singer HD for hours a day. For that I have my Singer Studio 16.
You've given me points to think about. I've sewn since I was a school-girl, but haven't sewn in the last few years as I've had other things I've needed to deal with. Now I want to get back into it and sew up the stash of fabric that I have in the cupboard. I got my old machine out and thought 'I forgot how much I hate this machine', so I thought it must be time to get a machine that I love. The machine I had before this one was a Janome, I don't know the model, but I bought it when I left school and the metal pieces started breaking. I was devasted. It did weigh a tonne and I could hardly lift it. So the newer ones are better for lightness factor.
Now I'm going to list what I hate about my current machine and what I stitches etc I need.
Thanks for the video.
I bought a singer heavy duty because it offered an adjustable pressure foot , 1,100 stitch per minute and more feed dogs than the usual
I bought one because it was a manual machine with no computer chips in it. Has enough stitches for all I need, 1100 stitches per minute and I also ordered extra feet to do all I need to do. Should last rest of my life as I'm in my 60s. Have a manual Kenmore from the 70s or 80s and it's still going strong. I've worn out several computerized machines. Never never again on computerized! Also my 1947 Singer from my grandma still going strong but only a straight stitch. Everyone has different needs. I'm an expert seamstress with 50 years experience and after weeks of research I chose the Singer 4452. Very satisfied with it.
Which one of the Singer Heavy Duty was this?
I’ve been sewing since age 13 and it is too heavy duty I sewed over a yard stick did you try it maybe you got a dud. I paid 200. And to slam this is bad. I e sewed over layers of leather coat recycle jackets it worked for me and others and the machine means heavy duty drapes leather it never said it is industrial use for the home it doesn’t claim that non the machine. Most ppl at home don’t sew over plastic. I’ve had it 8 yrs and it’s easy to maintain and inside mine is metal
Thank you..I love my singer HD for HOME sewing. My mechanic says it is one of the most decent machines
Would a basic brother machine handle sewing patches on jean jacket?
I have the Singer 6217c which was the heavy duty of its day. It's 30 years old now and I'm still sewing! Not sure if it's heavy duty with regard to sewing (although 30 years!) but the frame is so superior to anything they are building these days unfortunately and the presser foot lever is metal! On the downside, it's so heavy to lift!
My grandmother used that same machine---it's a tank!!
Hi I m looking for a sewing machine that can sew leather, pvc, canvas n cotton . What is the best sewing machine to buy tq
Thank-you for replying/making a comment on this! ! Making petbeds (one for an aggressive pitty (pitbull)
I was considering Singer Heavy duty but now I will explore some more options. Thanks for sharing your experience. It'll certainly help people to look past the marketing gimmicks.
I have a singer heavy duty machine, it’s really good I sew 5hrs a day for a home business and it’s never skipped a beat
the singer machines have a 1 amp motor. using the proper needle and thread will allow you to do some heavy sewing. it actually isnt a marketing gimmick these are not meant to ne a commercial machine but i know of several that is being used in that manner be it as a back up for when their commercial consew is off to be serviced. same with the brother st i know of another who uses the brother st machine in his leather shop. again its not used 24x7 but maybe a couple times a week. but seriously how many of us need a 100% duty cycle sewing machine? and yes these hd machines will sew heavier fabrics for the simple reason of having the means of fitting thicker stack under the lifter foot. and the janome hd3000 has all metal gears that if you dont push the sewing machine hard it will last a lot longer then the brother made babylock joy recommended. sad thing is they no longer put a 750watt motor in the machine and are only using 500watts.
I will give you some advice that repair men will not: slow the fuck down and use the correct needle for the canvas or leather your trying to ram through, and you won't break your machine
A walking foot is a must sewing soft furnishings. The 4423 works so well when using it and you get better results every time. It regulates 2 layers of different weights of fabric so you get a flat seam.
here in EGYPT we only have SINGER and BROTHER machines .. i want a machine for garment small business but solid to stand me for a long time ,, H.D is better or simple 3232 ? or brother is better ? Brother is cheaper here after taxes ,, buying babylock without reparing options here sounds wrong .. please help me ! shipping it across is right or buy from here bc of the garantee ?
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This helps a lot!! Now I’m going to check out your video! Thank you for being honest with us!!
I am researching for an industrial machine and I’m glad I found your video as I was considering one of these as they’re cheaper but it looks not a lot better than my 30 year old brother thanks.
I have had a heavy duty machine for years I love it have a brother does not compare to my heavy duy
Great video. I'm mostly in agreement with your opinion, but having sewn on the machine and pulled the covers off, I think it deserves good marks among PoS machines.
BTW, the Singer HD series is one of several brands (Bernette B05, Pfaff 160s, Necchi Q132A, etc.) that offer a clone of this machine. The plastic skin, features and accessories vary, but the base machine is the same. We have a Necchi Q132A version.
It's not the smoothest, straightest, most powerful, but it does a good job (for a cheap machine) on material considered heavy by modern home machine standards. It will handle heavier poly and lighter nylon thread and responds to tension adjustments well. It punches thru extended runs of maximum thickness (6mm?) fabric (denim, etc.) at speed with no strain. It will sew some coated nylon, webbing, garment leather, etc., but technique, (start position, attack, thread tension...), needle type (denim, leather) and possibly thread lube are important.
It's reasonably well designed internally. There is a fair amount of metal where plastic is often found (on modern machines in the price range). It's simple to access, clean, oil and adjust (internally). High mortality rate parts are cheap, common and appear uncomplicated to replace. There are some (felt washer) oil points which help with durability.
It's not a lifetime machine or worth expensive repairs, but among PoSs there is a decent value proposition in the heavy duty marketing.
Can it sew with my Bernina 1030, Pfaff 1222SE or Juki walking foot, no, but IMHO it's (they are) a good value.
Great information. Thanks!
I've got the heavy duty denim. I just bought it because it looks so good.
It actually does work too!
Nice vid!
I love my Singer HD been using it for over two years. I've made several bags with it, it's a fantastic workhorse. Will it do as much as an industrial machine will do, no of course not. It's not meant to, because it's still a domestic machine just one with a little more power.
Totally agree..I love mine. I have had no problem with it as well
I want to buy a Heavy Duty Machine to sew through eight layers of silk. Can I purchase a Cowboy CB3200 stitcher to get started? Its my very first sewing machine...
I bought the 4452 last spring and use it with a multitude of indoor and outdoor upholstery fabrics and automotive leather and vinyl, using T45-90 polyester thread (in the bobbin also) ... so far so good for me at least ... it seems to handle them just fine :)
I bought the latest singer heavy duty computerized bundled with the hard case for 260 after a lot of research. Wanted it for denim. It can go through 10+ layers of denim with ease. Why buy a lesser machine that cant even do a zigzag stitch for only a little bit less money.
What do you think about Necchi Q132A 32? For thick materials ansd everyday use
Had my Singer HD for 3 years ... got nothing but praises for it and it is affordable and does what is says.
Ok I’m about to buy a machine and going for Singer but everyone keeps saying Janome do y’all know that JANOME is expensive compare to Singer HD4432? 😢
The power of a sewing machine (as any machine) is measured in Watt. So, how many Watt does it have?
Thank you for putting g HD machines where they belong on the buying list. Years ago I needed a stretch stitch machine so I went shopping with a $20 bill in my purse and the only 4-5 stitches I needed. Kenmore fit my bill and I've had her for years. Currently looking for a mechanical machine that I can use set up with a different thread, double needle, whatever and almost fell into the HD talk. Was more into the metal frame lasting longer. (At 70 y.o. forever is exactly what I need. Lol. ) Thank you for letting me know that I was right to keep on looking ~~ not saying I won't get one but knowing facts is important. Once again, thank you.
What did you buy instead?
Im new sewer.
I will need to sunbrella materials for my sail projects.
HD velcro, snaps with backing for the patch are on occasion nylon webbing similar to belts. From what i see a straight and zig zag stitching.
Could you recomend a machine?
Thank you
one very important thing is . with singer some attachments will not fit non heavy duty sewing machines! if you want those extra attachments such as ruffle pressor foot it is compatible with the heavy duty since it is high shank. and not compatible with ei. traditional which is low shank.
@Katchi Vatchi or anyone, which budget sewing machine you recomend?
I live in Europe.
Totally disagree! Brand pushing and brand bashing isn’t a good look on any one!
I have both janome and singer heavy duty, and surprise surprise my heavy duty will sew layers of fabrics, batting, insulbright, handle straps and zipper in one go as well as top stitch those layers after!
My Janome won’t! But is excellent on piecing and FMQ..
So you do the math people n test drive for yourself and not listen to those that are just dumping on others marketing and products!
I had one of these machines. I inherited it from my mom. I was not pleased with how fast it deteriorated. She never got to use it before she passed away but refurbishing sewing machines. I have learned that you guys can find a Kenmore 158 model from the 1970s, especially a 158.1941 or a 158. 158. 1760 or 158. 1930 and there are many others. The 1760 the 1930 use cams. You can get flatbed and you can get free arm and I picked up mine for $100 or less with attachments. They're not hard to get running. They're in great shape and they do everything that the other sewing machine will do and then some and it's all metal. All the gears are metal. Everything's metal and I'm quite happy with my machines. They do everything I need them to do will ever want them to do and replacement parts are easy to find. Easy to come by and getting somebody to work on. It is just as hard as getting somebody to work on any of the other machines. Apparently there is a an extreme shortage of people who service and work on sewing machines because I have been asked by lots of people if I wouldn't mind servicing or fixing theirs but I do have plastic modern machines. They just don't hold up in my opinion to what some of the older vintage machines do and I have sewn leather with mine and thick material without a whole lot of issues. Mostly trying to get the material to lay the way I want it to not any with the machine
I wanted a Singer because I used Singer when I was little. They are good machines. I didn't fall ploy, I bought it because I wanted it. The end.
I just completed a timing repair on a friend's Heavy Duty 4411. A couple of years ago I considered buying one. The look sharp and there are lots of Singer and independent videos on YT about the HD line of machines. The problem that I had then and now, is that I just can not stand they fact that they are really plastic cases for some metal guts, and a lot of plastic guts too. My background is in metal Singer domestic and industrial machines from the 1920s to 1960s. Once I deduced that the problem was a timing issue, in good faith I had to ask my friend if they really wanted me to try to repair it because it would involve getting into the machine and taking some plastic covers off. Yeah, I was worried about the covers breaking somehow. And when I went through the stitch patterns to make sure the timing was going to work all around, I was on needles and pins about that unnaturally big stitch selector knob. Feels like it and the attached internal rod could snap/separate/crack at any time.
Unfortunately, we are in a world of cheap plastics for profits world. So, the odds of getting a mid-priced (ex $150-250) domestic machine with patterns and reverse that is going to last more than say, 10-20 years of frequent use is slim. Just don't break one of these machines. The repair bill may be as much or more than you paid for it.
So people shouldn’t buy it because it has heavy duty on it? Everyone knows you can’t buy an industrial machine at Walmart…In todays market more domestic machines (in this price range) have nonmetal frames/components. It’s popular because it’s a solid machine for the money.
There are better solid machines in the price point or even cheaper that are going to hold up equally as well. I don’t want people to be duped by Heavy Duty, when other quality machines for $200-$250 will perform better or equal for possibly longer even. Heavy duty is a marketing ploy and isn’t providing the services that the name implies
I am sewing since more then 40 years, as a job for 20 years, and I am looking for faster sewing machine, mechanican (not computer), with triple zigzag. It does not need to be stronger than normal domestic machines,just faster and with elastic stitches , since I am sewing elastic fabrics mostly. - Can anyone tell me, it the Singer Heavy Duty is faster then usual household machines?
The Singer heavy duty went through leather for me just fine. Much better then the standard ones. My Janome HD is going through thick materials like butter so... I think it does help?
Does singer 4423 heavy duty machine suitable to stitch dress
Yes, it can stitch pretty much anything.
What sewing machine would you recommend that is simple low maintenance can sew canvas tents and backpacks but also can sew linen and denim clothing?
Do you need a zig zag stitch?
My go to for that would be the juki 2000qi, but it runs about $700 and is only a straight stitch machine. I say it bc it sounds kind of like you’re doing a business. If it is a business I’d got for that or a sail rite if you need a zig zag. If just making the occasional tent or personal sewing projects a Babylock joy could sew all those things but it’s not meant to do it all day every day for years on end.
@@KatchiVatchi Not a business as of yet but that is why I want to learn the skill. Never sewn before. Was looking at heavy duty singer but not anymore after watching your video. I imagine I would need zig zag. Thank you very much for your response.
I have an old singer 45k and there is no disputing that it is indeed a heavy duty machine
Great video! I love to hear the real inside scoop before I buy vs making my purchase just on the branding and hype alone.
Like this video but have to say I did buy a singer hd and I do love it. Its sooo much better than my old machine. I guess it's all relative. My old machine was much weaker and couldn't handle anything thicker than a couple layers of cotton. I don't think anyone thinks the singer hd is a professional machine, but it definitely does handle leather easily, which is what most people will want it for.
You are SOOOO correct!! I repair sewing machines and they jump time. Strong motor with a cheap timing belt equals crap.
Is janome hd1000,hd3000,hd5000 basically the same machine but different exterior and upgraded features as numbers go up but essentially the save machine? Or is the hd3000 and 5000 different machine in all.. and Janome is actually heavy duty or are they marketing heavy duty like singer and is it really just a regular sewing machine?
The Janome hd series are primarily marketing on a regular sewing machine. The reason I would opt for them would be that overall/across the board they have a high build quality than singer. And yes, the 1000/3000/5000 are all pretty much the same guys with added features and stitches.
@@KatchiVatchi I am trying to buy the HD3000, but I am unsure. I have an old singer, I hate it and I think it's stopping me from advancing. Do you recommend the Janome HD3000? On Amazon it's about 280$. There are sooooo many options on the market and I've delayed buying one for so long because it is so confusing.
@@stephenduong1360 what did you do then?
I fell for the wording on machine - the Heavy Duty on Singer. During lockdown I bought one and regret it. It’s noisy and slow and it’s light. It kept jumping backwards during fast sewing. I have a old Pfaff and I’m sticking to Pfaff forever.. Thank you so much for highlighting what many people are experiencing with this Singer Heavy duty crap machine.
Is there a video discussing the best online beginner/budget machine? Mentioned around the 9:25 mark
My 1930 Singer model 66 has the same amps as the 4423. The big difference I notice is when I turn the old one by hand it's smooth as butter and there is almost no resistance. The new one is twice as hard to rotate. That means to me that more of the power from the motor is there to punch through fabric and less is being ate up by friction inside. I haven't actually used the old one yet, I don't even know how to use it to be honest. I haven't watched that video yet. I want to put a new motor on it, the old one looks tired. I think the 4423 has three belts compared to one as well. I don't know if adding all the extras like reverse the moveable needle, and the different stiches is what robs the power or if it's just not made with the same precision. I was pretty surprised when I first picked up the Heavy Duty SInger. I almost threw it it was so light. I don't care if they want to be funny and call it that. It does what it should for the money and it can be serviced.
Power is determined by wattage watts is a measure of volts x amps.
Thank you.
Oh man this was the first USEFUL video about Heavy Duty branded machines I've seen. Thanks!
as a viual artist i sometimes ask a lot of my machine and oftentimes break trough multiple needles or can barely fit the fabric under the presser foot. I was considering a singer heavy duty but now feel that i might run into the same problems there.. my problem however is that my studio is not on the ground floor therefore i cannot bing in a hevy metal frame. my only fear with buying those other brands is that maybe there's no servicing around when components break/need replacing...
Thanks this helped me out. I'm a beginner and need it for basic sewing like curtains and hems.
What do you think about Brother heavy duty computerized machine? ST150.
The Tock Custom channel did a stress test on this one, and it was able to sew at least 2 layers of leather, and 19 layers of duck fabric. Another lady did something like 12 layers of denim. I know people who own regular machines that can’t even pull off 2 layers of denim, so this model seems pretty solid.
Hello, thank you for the video. Can this machine sew 3 or 4 layers of canvas fabric?
I saw another video testing various sewing machine brands. From what I gathered, the Brother sewing machines are good compared to other brands. What do you think?
It's called Heavy Duty because the insides are made of metal rather than plastic, which isn't what you expect at the price they charge. This is a great machine I think you just using it for the wrong sorts of things.
If you want to sew industrial heavy duty fabrics then you wouldn't be spending $200 on a home machine. It's a little misleading how you presented this.
I been owning heavy duty more than 10 years works very well for business
Hello, do you know the Necchi q132a which falls in the category of Heavy duty? Is this a good sewing machine, comparable to the Singer HD machines