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  • @johnraynor5095
    @johnraynor5095 Год назад +2

    78yr old mechanic
    Worked in mining for 40 years. Sent out many sets of tracks for pin and brushing turns. Cashman Equipment, Reno, Nevada.

  • @RuralTowner
    @RuralTowner Год назад +2

    0:10 - 0:40 Seeing machining do that in long curly strands is almost soothing...

  • @raycollington4310
    @raycollington4310 Год назад +1

    I never dreamt that track servicing could require so much thought and planning. I really underestimated this aspect Squatch. Thank you as ever.

  • @larrydeweese9275
    @larrydeweese9275 Год назад +11

    I can remember the cat dealer coming to my grandfather coming to his farm and turning the pins and bushings on his 2 D2’s. I think it took one man a little over a day per tractor. The dealer was about 40 miles away. Most of my grandparents brothers and sisters had either D2’s or D4’s and they worked it so the dealer brought the equipment down and did all that needed to be done then took it back. As a kid I had found wooden boxes full of worn out pins and bushings by the scrap iron pile the wooden tops of the boxes had been nailed shut. As a kid I had to open the boxes to find out what they were. The oldest D2 had a fender fuel tank and the throttle was cast iron and had a spring loaded pin to push to advance or decrease the engine speed. The newer one had a black handle throttle attached to the air cleaner. When I was 6-8 yrs old some else had to advance the throttle for me when operating the tractor. Both tractors had canopies which had angle iron uprights attached to the corner of each fender and wood as wide as the tractor with canvas from his combine header stretched from the front board to the back board. As a young kid I worked driving the tractor wearing shorts, no shirt or shoes. The foot wells were too hot for my bare feet so I put my feet on the seat till I needed to turn.

  • @billv1410
    @billv1410 Год назад +2

    It does not matter if the machine is new or old the undercarriage wears out the same if used. Just like the tires on a car.
    We used to send out a lot of tracks for turning and or new pins and bushings D6, D7, D8. Sometimes we did not catch in time and the bushings wore through. Our track press contractor complained, I went to see him he had 3 pieces of ¾ plywood thick in a shield he would stand behind when he pressed out the broken bushings and there were pieces of broken bushing stuck in his plywood shield. Would not be acceptable today.
    Great Work, Thanks

  • @michaelwest4325
    @michaelwest4325 Год назад +27

    You may not have the degree but your engineering appears as good as any book could have set it out. I am awed by the ingenuity you apply to salvage what is only precious to a select few and saving what for most is of greater scrap value. Kudos!

    • @kenore4003
      @kenore4003 Год назад +1

      TLAR Engineering. That Looks About Right.

    • @colindgrant
      @colindgrant Год назад +5

      Except he’s not just eyeballing things at all! One of my favorite parts of this channel is how Squatch comes up with practical ways to achieve the precision needed in each situation.

  • @jeffmc7946
    @jeffmc7946 Год назад +1

    Thanks for sharing. I'm sure that there are a lot of Caterpillar people looking at your methods.

  • @charlescastle5566
    @charlescastle5566 Год назад +1

    Toby, you have been a busy man. I knew when you hadn't put a video out you were making the tooling to get those chains back together, I remember how long it took to get them apart I knew putting them back together was going to be very laborious job to put them back together. Just remember how good those wide pads are going to look.

  • @kevinknight470
    @kevinknight470 Год назад +5

    Engineering and machine work to make tools to work with. The patience of Job, bulldog determination, long term focus, amazing. This is why I watch these videos of Squatch. Toby is at the next level, Thanx for sharing.😃

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 Год назад +2

    Looks like you have it well planned out. Now you can open your old caterpillar track rebuilding facility. 🙂

  • @johnbarham7718
    @johnbarham7718 Год назад +1

    Very good explanation of why not to use heat and shrink method.

  • @randyclyde4939
    @randyclyde4939 Год назад +1

    Fantastic understanding and description of the pin/bushing replacement. This video should be mandatory for CAT employees! Your tenacity and forward thinking with this and other projects has made you an incredible teacher. Thanks for taking the time with us. Be well, be safe!

  • @johnquinn3899
    @johnquinn3899 Год назад +30

    Hey Squatch an incredible amount of engineering and tenacity on your part - I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this video !!
    John

  • @peterfallert4994
    @peterfallert4994 Год назад +2

    What you do is absolute mind boggling. I would become so confused by keeping every piece in order!

  • @machinist5828
    @machinist5828 Год назад +5

    When I worked for a Cat dealer in central Florida many years ago we had a complete building just for rebuilding the tracks. We also built up the wear surface on the links with a submerged arc wire feed welder.
    I wish I could remember their setup to assemble the tracks but that just wasn't my area. The tracks were elevated about waist high so it probably was to allow for the press.
    I do remember them laying the tracks out flat on the concrete floor and hooking a cable to them and pulling them up on the tables.
    The forklift operators were quite adept at rolling and unrolling tracks.
    You had no reason to argue with them when they shooed you out of the way to unroll a small track much less a D-9. It was quite the process with a large crew working non stop.
    It was a hot dusty dirty job that was cold in the winter and sweltering in the summer.
    Yes it does get cold in central Florida.
    Cheers
    Terry

  • @ironman3406
    @ironman3406 Год назад +32

    Your absolutely correct - labour costs in todays day and age make it far less appealing for guys to do pin and bushing turns, especially on D6 - D1 - there are some dealers still doing D7/D8 but D9-D11 I’d say have more appeal to do a pin and bushing turn just because the cost of the undercarriage is substantially higher compared to the smaller tractors so it makes more sense. Good luck with all the pressing!!

    • @mwilliamshs
      @mwilliamshs Год назад +1

      You're = you are
      Your = you own it

    • @ironman3406
      @ironman3406 Год назад +7

      @@mwilliamshs sorry dude im not really concerned about it imma tractor guy ana gear head not an english major - everyone else understood it just fine

    • @Fatamus
      @Fatamus Год назад +1

      @@mwilliamshs dose anal-retentive have a hyphen ?

    • @Fatamus
      @Fatamus Год назад +1

      @@ironman3406 🦃🎅🤗😴 I ate and ate and ate now I'm dreaming of Christmas. I hate Christmas music ♬ it stays in my head until sometime in February.

    • @rawbsworld6604
      @rawbsworld6604 Год назад +1

      @@ironman3406 imma? 🤔 I am a ! 👍 👌 🤦‍♂️ 😝😜😳 😂😂 🤷‍♂️ 😀 happy thanksgiving .. 🍺 ✌️🤙

  • @thinman8621
    @thinman8621 Год назад +1

    Squatch253 is the whole package. Mechanic, Tool Maker, Welder, Farmer. Who ya gonna call?

  • @rickyjessome4359
    @rickyjessome4359 Год назад +13

    Another great video Squatch. I would say the press cat had was massive. You have to give yourself a pat on the back for how well your press is working. Thansk for the video Squatch we appreciate the hard work you put into them. Cheers

  • @danieledwards1081
    @danieledwards1081 Год назад +2

    Glad to see you addressing the heating and cooling parts for installation debate, I'm satisfied with your reasoning there Squatch, makes perfect sense. 👍

  • @tombowman2154
    @tombowman2154 Год назад +3

    I learned how to use a lathe 50 years ago in highschool, and I haven't touched one since. You sure make that shit look easy.

  • @walterkucharski4790
    @walterkucharski4790 Год назад +1

    A continuous chip is not what you want on a lathe A chip breaker insert is a safer way to run and the chips take up much less space in the scrap bin. I run a machine shop and I forbid the practice from my guys. Cheers and I enjoy your channel very much.

  • @bigbird2100
    @bigbird2100 Год назад +1

    Great video 👍 If a press fit is needed would re metalling powdered spraying the pins in batch's provide the means to use original pin's .

  • @raygrimaoldschooltrucking3100
    @raygrimaoldschooltrucking3100 Год назад +1

    Gday Squatch, thank you very much for sharing these videos of your journey on your Cat Crawler, I look forward to every episode. I don’t have or own a Cat Crawler but I do own a pair of Cletrac’s models DD & DDH , anyway keep up the awesome work . Cheers for now Ray from Down Under, Australia.

  • @darthfunkninja9011
    @darthfunkninja9011 Год назад +5

    He's getting so good at the cinematic aspects of shooting video.

  • @richardsims1805
    @richardsims1805 Год назад +1

    Terrific piece of backyard engineering! Carefull prep and measuring really paid off here. Congratulations!

  • @belyear
    @belyear Год назад +2

    As a scientist, I appreciate the methodological way that you use. Very fine work.

  • @randyruppel6727
    @randyruppel6727 Год назад +3

    We still have D5 and bigger tracks pin and bushings turned. Well worth the cost. Undercarriage is massive expense. Our largest dozer is a D8N and we just picked up a D7E. All were I work, not personally owned. Our Cat dealer does the track work. We do the rest.

  • @earlwest7351
    @earlwest7351 Год назад +1

    Excellent shade tree mechanic in the best sense of the phrase. Supporting machinery a big plus.

  • @ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524
    @ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 Год назад +1

    Great tooling, lovely work. Looking forward to a chain assembly timelapse! Going to look so good with those big pads on.

  • @vinnyhern
    @vinnyhern Год назад +4

    back on track I see...😂😂😂

  • @Tihonoffff
    @Tihonoffff Год назад +1

    Even people from Moscow are watching you. A huge hello to you!

  • @junior1138
    @junior1138 Год назад +1

    There also another reason to avoid using heat/cool fitting. Metal, regardless of its production methods, has an internal structure that can be permanently altered with the application of heat. A worst case scenario would be that something became hardened but not tempered. This leaves a piece of metal that is brittle and prone to shattering.

  • @NEAFarmKid4010
    @NEAFarmKid4010 Год назад +9

    I would imagine that the press CAT had was probably absolutely massive. I mean they would have been doing D2s through D8s and D9s. Not sure if they used the same machine for all of them, but I would assume they tried to at least use one machine for most to be efficient. Would have been so cool to see. I think I was born in the wrong time period lol!

    • @oldcatmech
      @oldcatmech Год назад +1

      @@squatch253 Had different dies for different track rails and the bolt tightening part you had power up and down to adjust it! Also a rail guide to the press, ours was elevated with a angled ramp to get them up to the guide and a wench to pull the rails up on it and to the press! Thia one he built is doing a great job, keep it up!

  • @mikehughes3533
    @mikehughes3533 Год назад +2

    Your explanation of the detail of work that goes into turning pins and bushings shows how much work really goes into assembling of a set of tracks. This is no no small job! Plus is dangerous to boot!

  • @pthomson9736
    @pthomson9736 Год назад +2

    I love watching your thought process come together in a tool that works.

  • @rdecoster1
    @rdecoster1 Год назад +6

    Great video!!I am just an average shade tree mechanic that works on daily driver junk. I still enjoy learning about all the stuff you do!! Very impressive video!!

  • @amossnowdaharleyman9179
    @amossnowdaharleyman9179 Год назад +1

    Just sold my factory and retired but I had go/no go gauges for various subassemblies and finished high volume coils. Worked great if wingnut employees would use them. Putting together a small welding/fab shop to play with in my retirement. The day I need an employee will be the day the wife is supposed to take me out into the woods and put lead in my head. I will never in my life have another employee. Just not worth it.Right now my tools aren't disappearing, I'm not spending hours or days fixing someone else's screw up,and stress is reduced 99.5%. You look to be having an absolutely wonderful time doing what you love after working for the man. Hope your finances stay strong so you can continue to do so my friend. If you need to earn think about a mechanic shop: you will excel at it with your previous experience and Lord knows honest mechanics are few and far between.

  • @gwpsr58
    @gwpsr58 Год назад +2

    Your prep, tooling, standards and such are as interesting as the actual assembly, probably more. We can watch heat-and-beat or flame wrench work on a dozen other channels.

  • @frankcooper6911
    @frankcooper6911 Год назад +1

    We Learn from People like You !!! 👍 Thanks for Sharing !!!

  • @jmumbauer
    @jmumbauer Год назад +8

    So much work goes on behind the scenes, thank you for your dedication to detail! Also, hope you don't get into trouble for swiping that cookie sheet!! ;)

  • @williamreid2366
    @williamreid2366 Год назад +6

    First off hope you and your family have a great Thanksgiving second awesome video. I truly admire the way you and your dad look at tasks and make sure things are safe and the out come is as rite as possible.
    You guys are a rare breed nowadays
    When you were talking about pin and bushing turns and them becoming a thing of the past not only due to labor costs, cheep aftermarket chains but also with the invention of the rotating bushing on chains. It will wear all the way around instead of just 2 sides
    Anyway keep up the great work I look forward to seeing the progress and preservation of your fleet

  • @oldcatmech
    @oldcatmech Год назад +2

    The track winder is also used when welding grouser replacement wear strips on the worn pads! Did that with two people, one on the one side one on the other to weld front half when it went over the top and level on the other side weld the other side of strip! Made it a lot faster!

  • @typrus6377
    @typrus6377 Год назад +1

    The Cat pressgear these days will be 100 or 150 tons. For SALT/HD tracks, a pin/bushing turn makes sense above D6 level, if you have a dealer worth a dang (i.e., the Houston-area dealer will botch any turn at any size, so don't go that route- I know, I worked for them and our internal rework was astronomical)
    For quite a while there, Cat was pushing SystemONE real hard. The bushings turn in use, and they claimed they'd last a lot longer. Not so much in my experience.

  • @frankcooper6911
    @frankcooper6911 Год назад +1

    I Fixed a 3 point Hitch on a Ford Tractor 🚜 . Tor out a Gearbox on a 943 Bobcat ! Now putting Track Chains on a John Deere 450 .

  • @gordoncorey8023
    @gordoncorey8023 Год назад +1

    This is so cool too see how this works 😀👋👍

  • @aserta
    @aserta Год назад +2

    0:29 i find this kind of funny, because i was looking through old catalogs of pre-Cat tracked equipment and in one section, they detail the factory work. One of the pictures is a chap sitting by a massive lathe, like bigger than a regular big one and by him, a big human neck sized long snake curled chip going for meters and meters. They were hardcore back then.

  • @bobpaterson1845
    @bobpaterson1845 Год назад +2

    Happy thanksgiving to all your family 👍 and thank you for again sharing your knowledge and engineering skills 👌 look forward to the track rebuild 👍

  • @richardw.foxhall3392
    @richardw.foxhall3392 Год назад +1

    Good to know there is another man who knows not to heat it first. As you've said the real feel is with room temperature parts, clarification; room temp is all parts kept together at the same place[ shed, garage or heated workshop] Same, same, ...same good video as usual thanks Toby.

  • @douglasmiller7618
    @douglasmiller7618 Год назад +1

    Are you going to weld up the rails? The hard part is holding it up once you get it half way together. That's why that dealer put in a pit. Your doing great, watch your fingers.

  • @gregoryschmitz2131
    @gregoryschmitz2131 Год назад +1

    Now that is a field expedient trash compactor (2 x 4)

  • @clydeschwartz2167
    @clydeschwartz2167 Год назад +2

    That's a lot of tooling that goes into repairing the tracks but it sure makes for excellent video . The press fit is the only way to completely lock the pins and bushings together that was figured out in the factory and that is how you repair them. Keep up the great videos

  • @markfoster6110
    @markfoster6110 Год назад +1

    What a fantastic learning process . I think might have to look into this to do a TD 5 as there appears nothing available for one . But will have to add some welding .. love your work . Thanks from the land down under

  • @Pamudder
    @Pamudder Год назад +1

    Thank you for the explanation and the vintage articles and illustrations. You addressed my question about whether Cat dealers did press track pins on and off as part of the routine service offered to their customers. It's also clear that a lot of ingenuity was being applied by dealers and their employees to make pressing track pins off and on safer and more efficient. What I find surprising is that Cat apparently did not have one or more models of factory-engineered high efficiency track press available for sale to its dealers.

  • @rickallen9382
    @rickallen9382 Год назад +1

    Very well thought out process to get the job done right.

  • @stephenstrohacker7863
    @stephenstrohacker7863 Год назад +2

    I'm sure appreciating all this effort Toby. I've got an IH T-6 I'm going to be restoring and it needs major track repair. It was kinda my white whale, found it 25+ years ago and couldn't get it bought. About 4 years ago found it in a buddy's shed and finally got it bought. Like this D2 it is getting the full treatment with a slight engine upgrade. Original engine was gone so it's justifiable.

  • @gordoncorey8023
    @gordoncorey8023 Год назад +1

    Great work

  • @nealc.6927
    @nealc.6927 Год назад +3

    Aesthetically, hot steel fresh off the lathe is a really beautiful deep metallic blue . . . I've never found a paint to replicate it - model wise.

  • @jmailbell
    @jmailbell Год назад +2

    The track press gets more usable with the new modes, wow the press has a lot of time and thought invested. Great video as always!!!

  • @lastguy8613
    @lastguy8613 Год назад +1

    Early fix of machining on a Friday night for me, usually I watch Cutting Edge Engineering in Aus for that fix but Squatch is in first lol.
    I'm sure you know that channel Squatch but if you don't I'm sure you'll enjoy it😁

  • @ronzezulka6646
    @ronzezulka6646 Год назад

    Labor of love,,,easy explanation of why your doing this.

  • @martingardener90
    @martingardener90 Год назад +1

    I had to Google to check - but yes Repetitious is a word! 😂😂

  • @Bellboy40
    @Bellboy40 Год назад +1

    I enjoy your fine attention to the details on any job. There used to be a sign on the wall where I worked that said "If you don't have time to do the job right, when will you have time to do it over?" I think most places, especially in the repair industry, don't really subscribe to that line of thinking.

  • @bradwarner8933
    @bradwarner8933 Год назад

    Hey Squatch, I have been watching your work for a long time. Your abilities never cease to amaze me! I know you are safety conscious and I want you to please tuck the hoodie string in when running that lathe. I appreciate you and God Bless.

  • @Bushguyrocks
    @Bushguyrocks Год назад +1

    You're a pretty handy guy. You should build yourself a turbo encabulator. It would make your life so much easier.
    Lots of RUclips videos about them.

  • @sixtoes2313
    @sixtoes2313 Год назад +2

    Squatch253 tool making abilities are something else... Squatch253. Through the winter time, could you please explain and demonstrate "Face Harding" I never had the chance to work with steel/metals.........Rick. Canonsburg, PA.

  • @rotax636nut5
    @rotax636nut5 Год назад +1

    First Class work all the way with the Mighty Squatch253, great, please, don't ever stop making these videos..

  • @allencolvert2059
    @allencolvert2059 Год назад +2

    Pin and bushing turning is still done on tractors today for modern tracks

  • @digitalrailroader
    @digitalrailroader Год назад +2

    More tools to be added to the Squatch Special Tools D2 Track Chain Service Kit!

  • @93Martin
    @93Martin Год назад +1

    I just noticed the wet stacking on your garage door. I figured that would have already driven you nuts! Another great video :)

    • @jmailbell
      @jmailbell Год назад

      I’ve been noticing that also and thinking the same thing and also came close to commenting about it.

  • @ron827
    @ron827 Год назад +2

    GREAT planning as usual.

  • @JasperFromMS
    @JasperFromMS Год назад +2

    Another presenter was talking about firearms manufacturing and he noted that in the old days labor was cheap and materials were expensive. Nowadays the opposite is true.

    • @JasperFromMS
      @JasperFromMS Год назад

      That's why modern firearms look like the do. They are designed to be made with minimum set ups on a CNC machine.

  • @shaneharrison4775
    @shaneharrison4775 Год назад +1

    Terrific cant wait to see the press in action again love this stuff.

  • @scrotiemcboogerballs1981
    @scrotiemcboogerballs1981 Год назад

    Thanks for sharing buddy you are definitely getting a workout on this job with everything you are doing hope you and your family have a great thanksgiving

  • @tacticalrabbit308
    @tacticalrabbit308 Год назад +1

    Plus if you heat something it could bend , twist or not shrink back to the original size that maybe what happened to that one you showed us , and the temper could be drawn out and it get brittle and crack.

  • @jazzerbyte
    @jazzerbyte Год назад +4

    Interesting video, with all the background info! I wonder if the operator in the 12 X 12 Cat press machine had protection from flying parts during a mishap, or if this was still in the "Good luck to ya" days.

  • @backspacecows01
    @backspacecows01 Год назад +1

    Awesome

  • @rbmccloskey
    @rbmccloskey Год назад +1

    You are a very talented man.

  • @Daniel_cheems
    @Daniel_cheems Год назад +1

    Very knowledgeable and very informative!

  • @Thecowboy1950
    @Thecowboy1950 Год назад

    Yep I remember when my dad took the tracks off his D2 and had the pins and bushings turned in fact I think he had new pins and bushings put in as a bushings were war all the way through this work was done by the cat dealer in Lowell Indiana

  • @guifrakss
    @guifrakss Год назад

    You are amazingly intelligent and hard working.

  • @michaelscriffiano9267
    @michaelscriffiano9267 Год назад +1

    Thank you...happy Thanksgiving

  • @jankotze1959
    @jankotze1959 Год назад +1

    Stunning job Tobie

  • @moanderson6
    @moanderson6 Год назад

    Happy T day to you and your folks.........................................

  • @petersmith1076
    @petersmith1076 Год назад

    This is a pressing issue, but u've got it sorted. Gr8 video. Thanks

  • @Bushguyrocks
    @Bushguyrocks Год назад +3

    Glad to see you doing some pressing. When you took the track apart, was it de-pressing?

  • @SuperMAZ007
    @SuperMAZ007 Год назад +1

    I can see why Toby went all the way to make sure the pin and pushing turning is done right. Now imagine one or more of the track links is pushed in crooked? It's the same as with making a new wooden bed for a truck. If one thing is crooked everything will run crooked or look odd or off center. So prep work here is very important. The old tools of the past where actually very reliable but they where also very expensive back in the day. Maybe that is the reason they have outlasted there younger analogs? Who knows.

  • @evankibbe590
    @evankibbe590 Год назад

    Loads of good information 😊👍🌎🌞

  • @Fatamus
    @Fatamus Год назад +1

    Happy Thanksgiving 🦃🎅 and Merry ho ho.
    great video thanks for your time

  • @jenniferwhitewolf3784
    @jenniferwhitewolf3784 Год назад +1

    New VS turn the bush... We see that C&C, where Clint puts a new undercarriage under a good tractor.. The fresh parts are now so close in price to gaining 1/2 more life for a working dozer/tractor, plus, new is a huge selling point when reselling into a working world, as compared to collector world, where originality is more important, and labor is hobby effort.

  • @P61guy61
    @P61guy61 Год назад

    Thank you for posting

  • @michaelbrash8843
    @michaelbrash8843 Год назад +6

    Does your mom know you have her cookie sheet in the shop. Haha

  • @seniorelectrician6831
    @seniorelectrician6831 Год назад +1

    Yes, I think you will want to harden your adaptors. However, does the recess in them especially the pin adapter might need to be a little larger and/ or a slight taper or bevel it help or align it or fit it? Video clip 6:40, you can see it jump into the recessed pocket. Just food for thought. I have a habit a times of getting things so tight and exacting that I spend way to much time getting there, and getting a final end production unit because I tried to be too nit picky.
    Heat and chill works great for large newly machined items like flywheels, and ring gears but I would agree with you say saying not on used pieces.

  • @Greg_Gatsby
    @Greg_Gatsby Год назад +1

    Good Content! 👍

  • @erik_dk842
    @erik_dk842 Год назад +1

    So the small Chinese lathe is good enough - besides being placed in a warm workshop - that you don't need to use the big ole lathe in the other shop?

  • @williammundy2704
    @williammundy2704 Год назад +1

    Would adding weld to the bore of worn out tracks, then machining them back to spec be viable? Great videos, always looking forward to the next to come out.

  • @harrykoppers209
    @harrykoppers209 Год назад +1

    As Indiana Jones said, "We're making this up as we go."

  • @JasperFromMS
    @JasperFromMS Год назад +1

    Genius.

  • @1234doozie
    @1234doozie Год назад +1

    We have a 4u with a broke fuel range gauge can u still get them and what pressures is it indicating we haven't got main engine started yet

  • @bobuk5722
    @bobuk5722 Год назад

    Hi Toby, I can well imagine that you do not want to be offering a 'turn pin' service to other rebuilders. Maybe you could consider loaning the press set ups out? You would need a signed confirmation (lawyer drawn up?) that the use was all entirely down to the new operators risk - as you have pointed out it is fraught with danger for the inexperienced - and I think some contribution to a good cause would also not go amiss. Hmm, probably not my best idea ever! Maybe you would like to say a few words on camera about it?

  • @JoeAroner-SIWAYTV
    @JoeAroner-SIWAYTV Год назад +1

    I wouldn’t think there would be a time advantage either to freezing and heating vs pressing.