A note about fusiliers: 1) - Upgrading the g43 package right away fills up both inventory slots and gives you 3 g43s, HOWEVER if you pick up a weapon BEFORE upgrading you can still upgrade to g43 package although you will only get 2 g43s instead of 3. Since fusies do about the same damage as volks at long range you can keep one squad unupgraded and wait for a drop for extra strong fusies or upgrade shrecks when tanks come out. 2) - When you upgrade to double shrecks you lose your vehicle snare ability. If you lose a shreck or pick up another weapon you can upgrade a single shreck for half the cost. Since the double shreck upgrade is actually what removes the snare ability if you pick up a shreck from somewhere else you can buy the single shreck package and keep your snare ability, thus giving you double shreck elite infantry with a snare :D. Have fun and don't tell lelic.
@@ahmedshokry5729 what do you mean? I don't know about all that "resent changes", but previously they had 2 PTRS (ПТРС) AT rifles, satchel and AT satchel (throwing range is smaller than AT grenade of conscripts, but due to bigger damage if you was enough lucky/tricky to throw it - it was possible to damage engine of vehicles, which due to bigger HP was impossible to make damage engine with only AT grenade of conscripts). Later number of AT rifles was increased from 2 to 3 and was increased it's accuracy. I don't know about any changes after that.
My main faction is Ostheer and main doctrine is elite troops so here are some tips for G43 grens People don’t expect grenade from you, you will be surprised how often it will be a hit. Since at early-mid game there a lot of light cover that doesn’t block 50%of grenade damage like heavy does it will cost your enemy a lot to make up for that grenade. Since G43 is better for close to mid range you want to play grens more aggresive. For urban maps you will need less pzgrens, for mid range maps G43 would be more versetile. Grens cost 240, riflemen - 280, shtrafnimi 300 so you have usialy one squad more than the enemy - use it for flanking since G43 gives you a better results in mobile war than mg42. Don’t overeatimate your power - G43 for grens are good - buff for recieved accuracy and less debuff while moving plus grenade gives you confidence but you shouldn’t fight 1v1 against CQB or long range specialists. Combined arms vs specialized is key Interogation - it’s nice to pinpoint sniper/tank/mg/mortar location. Use this info with combination of your mobile fighting power to shut down biggest threats or avoid them. Also only YOU get that info on you map, you have to type in chat pr tell in discord yo your allies what you. Don’t forget to switch to tactical map - it will show units icons for better info. If you play as storm doctrine - use g43 for ambushes. If you play Jager - don’t forget to bring 1-2 jager squads. If ypu play elite troops - you stormtroops can both wipe backline infantry and weapon crews or help in cqb in full army assault. Plus use stun grenads to stop enemy squads from entering cover, locking cqb units to increase distance or just damage them, lock enemy squads in buldings for rocket arty or grenade barage from multiple squads or stoping at crews from escaping. G43s are good on all situations exepct long range WW1-style static shootings
@@ahmedshokry5729 Close quarter battle - Rangers and Paratroopers (2 grens with g43 are not enough if they have Thompsons), Commandos, Airland Officer, Assault Section (especialy with Thompson upgrade), Shock troops, Assault guards, Conscripts with SVT40 or 4 PPSh upgrades. USF Lt and Cap (both have 1 thompson from start, add 2 bars there and even pzgrens and ass grens will have trouble with them)
The extremely low movement penalty is very strange and feels out of place. The model is scoped which would make it damn near impossible to take an aimed shot on the run. With the new buff, it feels like they're just throwing arbitrary buffs at the Germans to retain the player base.
Vanilla CoH doesn't make any sense lol Feels like an arcade game where keeps can survive a direct hit from a 75mm shell That's why I haven't played it for more than 2 months before completely changing to spearhead 2 realism mod
Well games is mostly not about reality. Do you see Penal Battalions? They are supposed to be weaker than Conscripts and poorly armed, because they were convicts in real life and pressed into military service.. less military experience than conscripts.
@@casioak1683 Their equipment matches their performance in game, though. I'm not talking historical accuracy, just maintaining visual sense of what is going on in the game. The movement still seems odd, but at least the G43 got nerfed as a whole and is now mostly used on squads like fusiliers that get multiple buffs from the upgrade.
@@bombidil3 perhaps to balance against the tendency of Allied AI/Players (except Soviet) which use mass infantry units and later cheap armored vehicles.
Considering most German squads (even doctrinal ones) will lose to Allied infantry most of the time, it's nice of them to throw Axis infantry a bone, even though I think G43 on Grens are a total waste, and I'd rather have schreks on Pzgrens for the late game.
Thanks you for this new video and your commitment. I can't begin to fathom the amount of time required to pull it off, but what I do realize is that it is thanks to videos like that one that my love for the game never fades. The strategic and tactical aspects are just too well engineered
Conclusion - yes, so 👍 But in general - this is not all. As Tightrope mentioned - great far away accuracy (and increasing of it even more by free camouflage). Infiltration (so, you can appear behind enemy lines: destroying cashes, finishing retreating squads). Moving camouflage (not long, just for few seconds, but if you use it properly...).
I am not sure, but maybe this is only good option vs soviet tier 1 meta (not vehicle, not risky (you can't guarantee that your (WM) sniper would win, but not be catched because of some little mistake) counter to sniper; also, in comparison to jaeger options - you can get not bad tank (Tiger Ace) to deal with both infantry and vehicles (including IS 2).
not entirely correct. PGrens get 3 just as well as Stormies do. PGrens on vet1 also gain the combined arms passive that drops their received accuracy when near a vehicle, even be it a half-track, while also unlocking the mark-target ability. In his tests he never factored that passive in when using Pgrens, where Penals got their passive bonus counted (less fighting-power drop when losing models by buffing the rest)
One thing to consider regarding pgrens is that vet 3 (full acc bonus kicking in) makes a big difference comparing it vs g43 widening the gap between the two significantly in favour of stg. Even more so with ambush bonus. I played a lot with Jaeger inf doc about a year ago (before it was 🔥) with double pioneer and mg into pgrens and my assessment was that g43 was seldom worth it. Especially not on vetted units. They lose to much dps.
But doesnt the full vet 3 acc bonus make it worthwhile? I mean nearly 100% hitrate up to mid range and 80% hitrate to far with only 80% moving acc and 16dmg doesnt sound too bad. Especially in combination with the sight bonus. I mostly play the same strat as you and i think G43 are quite worthwhile tbh.
@@venusflytrap2622 high rof weapons gains more from acc and cooldown bonuses. The difference in favour of sth in % and actual dps increases at vet 3 compared to vet 0. Even the moving dps % decreases (since the overall dps with stg increase more then g43 at vet 3). Look at the stats yourself and factor in your own experience in game and see what conclusions you make. May not be the same as mine.
@@venusflytrap2622 the moving acc is nice, that is true, but you need to be at 26 range to have a dps-bonus vs the STG's. 26 is the breaking point where they are even, anything below and the STG's will do more dps (while standing still)
A question about OH Elite Troops doctrine: when you upgrade your Stormtrooper squad with the Panzerschreck first, then with the G43 package, do you get 3 pieces of g43 AND the sight bonus as well? If yes then they could be a very good all around recon squad with stealth moving, good line of sight AND a vehicle detection ability ..
Thank You for this, I've always been a fan of the G43 but felt it fell short a lot of the time. Now got a slightly better idea of the matchups thanks to this. Kudos TR
I like the new transitions and sound effects, Tightrope. Keep it up! Edit: I see you too are a fan of quickly switching between serealia tabs to compare units at a glance. Use Ctrl + Pg Up/Pg Dwn to quickly move between tabs.
@@benedictjajo ... are the same. Of course, due to different 0 vet and vet bonuses - performance would be little different, but I still don't see the sense to make separate video.
the problem with g43 grenadiers is their fucking accuracy.What do you mean they have %42 accuracy at long range and %48 accuracy at mid range with a SCOPED G43? even Normal grens with kar98 have %59 accuracy at long range i vsed normal kar98 grenadiers and g43 grenadiers at long range and at green cover,NORMAL GRENS WON.... they really need buff the accuracy and maybe they can revert received accuracy because it doesnt matter if you cant even hit your target with a semi automatic SCOPED rifle unless you are at shotgun range xddddddd. but when we look at the g43 panzergrens the things change.Panzergrens with g43 s are actually really fucking good because their accuracy.is %61 at long range(yes it really matters).Compare it to %42 accuracy! and yes you may think g43 upgrade isnt a necessary upgrade for panzergrens because stg44's are good enough to fuck the imperialists or communists and your short range damage decreases a little bit(g43's are still good at short range too,vet 3 panzergrens have %109 accuracy at close range and g43 inf fires MUCH faster when shooting from close range)but your long range damage increases much more.
Mmmh might start using G43 PGs in combination with LMG Grens Very good fire on the move stats tbh, almost twice as much as the stg. By the time you've closed in you might lose a model and quickly a second one after that, so having your DPS dealt on the approach rather than on arrival really must make a difference, do you think you'd be keen on making that comparison @Thightrope ?
Interrogation training on vet3 osther- sniper and 2- Model sniper on vet3 soviet sniper. It would be just like in the movie where Major König couldn't Kill Wassili Saizew no matter how skillful and creative he tried 😂😂😂
Whenever I want to grief my friends a bit, I run snipe with full G43 grens because most of them expect to find the sniper by listening to the gunfire but now that you have 4-5 infantry squads roaming the map and firing in all directions it's a lot harder to pinpoint even with the minimap icon.
I dont know about ''snipers are quite good against everyone'' statement. I always find myself baby sitting them as long as they are alive and if i forget them for a second, someone manages to take em out!
Small note for the sniper. It's not a good idea to get it against a brit. Yes, brits are expensive but their tech building enables them to get a counter-sniper anyways. It is more of a dice roll and you are relying more on the enemy making a mistake more than your own skill
It's still a few minutes of sniper bleed. UKF can build 3 sections -> sniper. Whereas OST can build it straight away. Plus, your sniper is a lot better. Plus, OST gets 222 which makes countersnipe much harder. 222 has the ability to detect inf.
@@REaLAToMicZ depends on the build. Mg, Section, platoon command post, sniper that's barely any time for your sniper to do work, you can get 10 kills tops
@@Faheroe Yeah that#s already an advantage. And as I said, a countersnipe is anything but guaranteed because of 222. If both players never take out each other's snipers, OSt has the edge as the sniper is better.
@@REaLAToMicZ Once again you are relying heavily on your opponent not being capable enough to counter snipe you (9 out of 10 times I get a counter snipe simply because they don't expect it) and my micro is terrible. You are depending on your opponent being dumb which is pure RNYisus, it is a gamble at best, and sure no sniper can survive a 222 but you are comparing a vehicle vs a person, it is to be expected of the snipers not being able to take out vehicles. And the brit can take out the 222 engine while Wehr can stun infantry so... different purposes vs vehicles the brit is more useful, vs infantry Wehr is more useful, it depends on the situation
@@Faheroe Yeah I wasn't talking about directly taking out brit sniper with 222. 222 is generally good vs brits bc of no snares. Once 222 gets vet 1, you pop ability and always know where brit sniper is. But sure, you are right, a surprise countersnipe is possible in the same way surprise nades are possible on USF and UKF. Generally, decent OST player should know countersnipe is coming, if Brit is not present for a bit (meaning he is saving for sniper). OST sniper is probably best in the game because of fastest firing rate. Appeal of sniper is always manpower bleed without bleeding yourself. And OST sniper is always best at that.
I could be wrong, but I believe when the game had just been released, Panzergrenadiers had MP40s instead of the StG44. At least I remember zooming in on them and seeing that, and was later surprised they had a different weapon some patches later. Or maybe my memory is faulty. But I think the PZs were relatively worse combat units at first, which meant upgrading them with the G43 made them so much superior, it ended up being my go-to strategy, and could deliver a shock to my opponent when he realized how dangerous they suddenly became. I think it's a lot better balanced now, also because people now know what each faction can bring. But early on, oh boy, just having camoflage was a game changer in so many cases. No one expected the guerilla Wehrmact force.
They had MP40s in campaign in pre-1944 missions, where StG44 didn't exist yet. As curiosity, devs gave them Pioniers' MP40 variant which made them absolutely useless as combat units and missions where you have to use Panzergrenadiers were extreme pain in the ass because of it. Honestly this game is a shitshow all across.
I personally use a 4 group Panzerfusiliere group, 3 with Panzershreck 1 with g43. Its a pretty destructive unit! Only MG's become a danger and when youre fast enaugh and the unit leveled up, you can even win this situation!
@@facehurt7606 BARs have a "Brutal" close-range profile though. LMG's have more dps on long-range as their burst-duration increases the further they are away.
You can directly compare the weapons of two different infanteries in one graph with serealia. Select first infantry, then switch to second infantry and click on requested weapon. Instead of moving perfomance, you get the comparison of both weapons.
@@tightropegaming Hey, I noticed you compared two different weapons from the SAME infantry like in 0:37. In 01:23, you switch between tabs to compare grens with commandos instead of comparing their DPS in one graph. I did not notice this in you video. Just a tip. Great video by the way. Only this missing is how a combat would end if you start to move backwards away with a G43 squad from a close range squad ;)
Thank you sooo much tightrope!! I was not nearly aware of all this and consider myself otherwise quite well-experienced in most of the game! I appreciate how much work this took you, thank you, your community!
When using vetted infantry against one another you might want to use a gun-disabled vehicle (like a 251) near Pgrens to allow their combined arms passive, as penals for example have their passive bonus always factored in as well
The penal bonus is always active, the pgren one is probably only active around 1/5th of the time in my games at least so I feel it is better to show the most common scenario.
I remember once, in a 4v4, I had 3 jaeger infantry squads completely destroy a USF machine gun in a building in a few seconds when firing from green cover. My men didn't even receive any suppression
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Some of them make great videos informing about the stats around g43's.
A note about fusiliers:
1) - Upgrading the g43 package right away fills up both inventory slots and gives you 3 g43s, HOWEVER if you pick up a weapon BEFORE upgrading you can still upgrade to g43 package although you will only get 2 g43s instead of 3. Since fusies do about the same damage as volks at long range you can keep one squad unupgraded and wait for a drop for extra strong fusies or upgrade shrecks when tanks come out.
2) - When you upgrade to double shrecks you lose your vehicle snare ability. If you lose a shreck or pick up another weapon you can upgrade a single shreck for half the cost. Since the double shreck upgrade is actually what removes the snare ability if you pick up a shreck from somewhere else you can buy the single shreck package and keep your snare ability, thus giving you double shreck elite infantry with a snare :D.
Have fun and don't tell lelic.
2) wait, wait.
Double Shreck and snare is still available?
😲😲😲🤔🤔🤔😆😆😆
Too late , a nerf is coming after your comment. 😅
@@ІванКоваль-й5ж penal gets anti tank rifles and snare ability.
@@ahmedshokry5729 what do you mean?
I don't know about all that "resent changes", but previously they had 2 PTRS (ПТРС) AT rifles, satchel and AT satchel (throwing range is smaller than AT grenade of conscripts, but due to bigger damage if you was enough lucky/tricky to throw it - it was possible to damage engine of vehicles, which due to bigger HP was impossible to make damage engine with only AT grenade of conscripts).
Later number of AT rifles was increased from 2 to 3 and was increased it's accuracy.
I don't know about any changes after that.
wtf I'm telling mom that you keep the snares on your shreck fussies >:(((
My man T-Rope with the old rap references.
Bro was born amongst legends, I mean cmon
My main faction is Ostheer and main doctrine is elite troops so here are some tips for G43 grens
People don’t expect grenade from you, you will be surprised how often it will be a hit. Since at early-mid game there a lot of light cover that doesn’t block 50%of grenade damage like heavy does it will cost your enemy a lot to make up for that grenade.
Since G43 is better for close to mid range you want to play grens more aggresive. For urban maps you will need less pzgrens, for mid range maps G43 would be more versetile. Grens cost 240, riflemen - 280, shtrafnimi 300 so you have usialy one squad more than the enemy - use it for flanking since G43 gives you a better results in mobile war than mg42.
Don’t overeatimate your power - G43 for grens are good - buff for recieved accuracy and less debuff while moving plus grenade gives you confidence but you shouldn’t fight 1v1 against CQB or long range specialists. Combined arms vs specialized is key
Interogation - it’s nice to pinpoint sniper/tank/mg/mortar location. Use this info with combination of your mobile fighting power to shut down biggest threats or avoid them. Also only YOU get that info on you map, you have to type in chat pr tell in discord yo your allies what you. Don’t forget to switch to tactical map - it will show units icons for better info.
If you play as storm doctrine - use g43 for ambushes. If you play Jager - don’t forget to bring 1-2 jager squads. If ypu play elite troops - you stormtroops can both wipe backline infantry and weapon crews or help in cqb in full army assault. Plus use stun grenads to stop enemy squads from entering cover, locking cqb units to increase distance or just damage them, lock enemy squads in buldings for rocket arty or grenade barage from multiple squads or stoping at crews from escaping.
G43s are good on all situations exepct long range WW1-style static shootings
I want to add that most of Allied infantry are mid/close range. They will not fight you at long range, so G43 is a direct counter to them.
Thank you for the addition, but what is cqb??
@@ahmedshokry5729 Close quarter battle - Rangers and Paratroopers (2 grens with g43 are not enough if they have Thompsons), Commandos, Airland Officer, Assault Section (especialy with Thompson upgrade), Shock troops, Assault guards, Conscripts with SVT40 or 4 PPSh upgrades. USF Lt and Cap (both have 1 thompson from start, add 2 bars there and even pzgrens and ass grens will have trouble with them)
TFW the first Assault Rifle and one of the best Submachine Guns designed, are worse at shooting on the move than a Scoped Full Power Marksman Rifle.
The extremely low movement penalty is very strange and feels out of place. The model is scoped which would make it damn near impossible to take an aimed shot on the run. With the new buff, it feels like they're just throwing arbitrary buffs at the Germans to retain the player base.
Vanilla CoH doesn't make any sense lol
Feels like an arcade game where keeps can survive a direct hit from a 75mm shell
That's why I haven't played it for more than 2 months before completely changing to spearhead 2 realism mod
Well games is mostly not about reality. Do you see Penal Battalions? They are supposed to be weaker than Conscripts and poorly armed, because they were convicts in real life and pressed into military service.. less military experience than conscripts.
@@casioak1683 Their equipment matches their performance in game, though. I'm not talking historical accuracy, just maintaining visual sense of what is going on in the game.
The movement still seems odd, but at least the G43 got nerfed as a whole and is now mostly used on squads like fusiliers that get multiple buffs from the upgrade.
@@bombidil3 perhaps to balance against the tendency of Allied AI/Players (except Soviet) which use mass infantry units and later cheap armored vehicles.
Considering most German squads (even doctrinal ones) will lose to Allied infantry most of the time, it's nice of them to throw Axis infantry a bone, even though I think G43 on Grens are a total waste, and I'd rather have schreks on Pzgrens for the late game.
I've always loved using G43s on my Infantry,, even more reason to love them more. Thank you for the guide!
I was just looking at G43 difference between units a few days ago nice
my experience with double bar vs g43 panzerfusiliers was very one-sided. my double bars got rekt every time.
Thanks Tightrope, I’ve been waiting for this video for awhile!!
Thanks you for this new video and your commitment. I can't begin to fathom the amount of time required to pull it off, but what I do realize is that it is thanks to videos like that one that my love for the game never fades. The strategic and tactical aspects are just too well engineered
These are some nice details, good to know thanks. 👍
stormtrooper gets 3 G43s which makes it the most powerful mainline elite infantry wehrmacht can field
Conclusion - yes, so 👍
But in general - this is not all.
As Tightrope mentioned - great far away accuracy (and increasing of it even more by free camouflage).
Infiltration (so, you can appear behind enemy lines: destroying cashes, finishing retreating squads).
Moving camouflage (not long, just for few seconds, but if you use it properly...).
I am not sure, but maybe this is only good option vs soviet tier 1 meta (not vehicle, not risky (you can't guarantee that your (WM) sniper would win, but not be catched because of some little mistake) counter to sniper; also, in comparison to jaeger options - you can get not bad tank (Tiger Ace) to deal with both infantry and vehicles (including IS 2).
not entirely correct.
PGrens get 3 just as well as Stormies do.
PGrens on vet1 also gain the combined arms passive that drops their received accuracy when near a vehicle, even be it a half-track, while also unlocking the mark-target ability.
In his tests he never factored that passive in when using Pgrens, where Penals got their passive bonus counted (less fighting-power drop when losing models by buffing the rest)
Says a lot of me that I paid more attention to this than my university lectures 😂😅😅😞
Love these style of videos, you are great at keeping them simple and precise and very very useful.
G43 is OP as hell
What an intro. Your video cleared up a lot of confusion. Thanks.
I stopped playing after realizing how basically nothing makes sense compared to human logic or history
One thing to consider regarding pgrens is that vet 3 (full acc bonus kicking in) makes a big difference comparing it vs g43 widening the gap between the two significantly in favour of stg. Even more so with ambush bonus.
I played a lot with Jaeger inf doc about a year ago (before it was 🔥) with double pioneer and mg into pgrens and my assessment was that g43 was seldom worth it. Especially not on vetted units. They lose to much dps.
exactly.
Pgrens gain about nothing from G43's for what they loose for using them.
But doesnt the full vet 3 acc bonus make it worthwhile? I mean nearly 100% hitrate up to mid range and 80% hitrate to far with only 80% moving acc and 16dmg doesnt sound too bad. Especially in combination with the sight bonus. I mostly play the same strat as you and i think G43 are quite worthwhile tbh.
@@venusflytrap2622 high rof weapons gains more from acc and cooldown bonuses. The difference in favour of sth in % and actual dps increases at vet 3 compared to vet 0. Even the moving dps % decreases (since the overall dps with stg increase more then g43 at vet 3).
Look at the stats yourself and factor in your own experience in game and see what conclusions you make. May not be the same as mine.
@@venusflytrap2622 the moving acc is nice, that is true, but you need to be at 26 range to have a dps-bonus vs the STG's. 26 is the breaking point where they are even, anything below and the STG's will do more dps (while standing still)
A question about OH Elite Troops doctrine: when you upgrade your Stormtrooper squad with the Panzerschreck first, then with the G43 package, do you get 3 pieces of g43 AND the sight bonus as well? If yes then they could be a very good all around recon squad with stealth moving, good line of sight AND a vehicle detection ability ..
Thank You for this, I've always been a fan of the G43 but felt it fell short a lot of the time. Now got a slightly better idea of the matchups thanks to this. Kudos TR
Never realised that Panzerfusiliers are worse than volks early game, good vid
Good video, it's really confusing in game what the difference is
I like the new transitions and sound effects, Tightrope. Keep it up!
Edit: I see you too are a fan of quickly switching between serealia tabs to compare units at a glance. Use Ctrl + Pg Up/Pg Dwn to quickly move between tabs.
I am a simple TR fan I see an explaining video of him I press like
Can you explain the USF Carbine gun please
Oo these are the types of videos I never knew I wanted to see!
Bless your soul, the world has needed comprehensive coh2 content like this forever.
Again, a great utility guide. ^^
Do you think you will make one similar for the allies as well ?
About what?
@@ІванКоваль-й5ж BARS on different units.
@@benedictjajo ... are the same.
Of course, due to different 0 vet and vet bonuses - performance would be little different, but I still don't see the sense to make separate video.
@@ІванКоваль-й5ж I mean, making this video doesn't make sense either then.
@@benedictjajo my comment was deleted (link in it).
Look at ALL comments under resent video (at this channel) about AT Tommy.
the problem with g43 grenadiers is their fucking accuracy.What do you mean they have %42 accuracy at long range and %48 accuracy at mid range with a SCOPED G43?
even Normal grens with kar98 have %59 accuracy at long range
i vsed normal kar98 grenadiers and g43 grenadiers at long range and at green cover,NORMAL GRENS WON....
they really need buff the accuracy and maybe they can revert received accuracy because it doesnt matter if you cant even hit your target with a semi automatic SCOPED rifle unless you are at shotgun range xddddddd.
but when we look at the g43 panzergrens the things change.Panzergrens with g43 s are actually really fucking good because their accuracy.is %61 at long range(yes it really matters).Compare it to %42 accuracy!
and yes you may think g43 upgrade isnt a necessary upgrade for panzergrens because stg44's are good enough to fuck the imperialists or communists and your short range damage decreases a little bit(g43's are still good at short range too,vet 3 panzergrens have %109 accuracy at close range and g43 inf fires MUCH faster when shooting from close range)but your long range damage increases much more.
Excellent work as always, keep it up!
Brilliant video. Thanks for your effort!
Mmmh might start using G43 PGs in combination with LMG Grens
Very good fire on the move stats tbh, almost twice as much as the stg. By the time you've closed in you might lose a model and quickly a second one after that, so having your DPS dealt on the approach rather than on arrival really must make a difference, do you think you'd be keen on making that comparison @Thightrope ?
guides like this is why i love the channel. Didnt know a sniper can snipe models inside scout cars
That intro got my like aha! :D Also, why is CoH2 so variable in equipment? It's hard to remember in the heat of battle.
Interrogation training on vet3 osther- sniper and 2- Model sniper on vet3 soviet sniper. It would be just like in the movie where Major König couldn't Kill Wassili Saizew no matter how skillful and creative he tried 😂😂😂
I’m so happy you’ve made this video, I even asked for it a couple of videos ago., thank you tightrope.
I started working on this in January
@@tightropegaming well , that’s a lot of hard work, well received and appreciated by the community . 🙏🏻
This took alot of prep work good job
Dude your coh2 content is top tier
I think the sniper is bad against Russians except they spam team weapons, because they don’t care about losing a model and can just overrun you
Thank you, I asked for this and here it is!
Whenever I want to grief my friends a bit, I run snipe with full G43 grens because most of them expect to find the sniper by listening to the gunfire but now that you have 4-5 infantry squads roaming the map and firing in all directions it's a lot harder to pinpoint even with the minimap icon.
This guide is amazing!!! Superb job
I dont know about ''snipers are quite good against everyone'' statement. I always find myself baby sitting them as long as they are alive and if i forget them for a second, someone manages to take em out!
Ive watched this video when i started playing coh 2 and i wasnt aware of the value of it. Now i rewatched it, now i get the value
really good video,love it!
Tnx a lot
Small note for the sniper. It's not a good idea to get it against a brit. Yes, brits are expensive but their tech building enables them to get a counter-sniper anyways. It is more of a dice roll and you are relying more on the enemy making a mistake more than your own skill
It's still a few minutes of sniper bleed. UKF can build 3 sections -> sniper. Whereas OST can build it straight away.
Plus, your sniper is a lot better.
Plus, OST gets 222 which makes countersnipe much harder. 222 has the ability to detect inf.
@@REaLAToMicZ depends on the build. Mg, Section, platoon command post, sniper that's barely any time for your sniper to do work, you can get 10 kills tops
@@Faheroe Yeah that#s already an advantage.
And as I said, a countersnipe is anything but guaranteed because of 222.
If both players never take out each other's snipers, OSt has the edge as the sniper is better.
@@REaLAToMicZ Once again you are relying heavily on your opponent not being capable enough to counter snipe you (9 out of 10 times I get a counter snipe simply because they don't expect it) and my micro is terrible. You are depending on your opponent being dumb which is pure RNYisus, it is a gamble at best, and sure no sniper can survive a 222 but you are comparing a vehicle vs a person, it is to be expected of the snipers not being able to take out vehicles. And the brit can take out the 222 engine while Wehr can stun infantry so... different purposes vs vehicles the brit is more useful, vs infantry Wehr is more useful, it depends on the situation
@@Faheroe Yeah I wasn't talking about directly taking out brit sniper with 222.
222 is generally good vs brits bc of no snares.
Once 222 gets vet 1, you pop ability and always know where brit sniper is.
But sure, you are right, a surprise countersnipe is possible in the same way surprise nades are possible on USF and UKF.
Generally, decent OST player should know countersnipe is coming, if Brit is not present for a bit (meaning he is saving for sniper).
OST sniper is probably best in the game because of fastest firing rate. Appeal of sniper is always manpower bleed without bleeding yourself. And OST sniper is always best at that.
I could be wrong, but I believe when the game had just been released, Panzergrenadiers had MP40s instead of the StG44. At least I remember zooming in on them and seeing that, and was later surprised they had a different weapon some patches later. Or maybe my memory is faulty. But I think the PZs were relatively worse combat units at first, which meant upgrading them with the G43 made them so much superior, it ended up being my go-to strategy, and could deliver a shock to my opponent when he realized how dangerous they suddenly became.
I think it's a lot better balanced now, also because people now know what each faction can bring. But early on, oh boy, just having camoflage was a game changer in so many cases. No one expected the guerilla Wehrmact force.
They had MP40s in campaign in pre-1944 missions, where StG44 didn't exist yet. As curiosity, devs gave them Pioniers' MP40 variant which made them absolutely useless as combat units and missions where you have to use Panzergrenadiers were extreme pain in the ass because of it. Honestly this game is a shitshow all across.
fukin brilliant video mate! catch you on the battlefield!
I always have 2 g43 grens (or 1 jaeger and 1 g43 grens) and 2 lmg grens. So the lmg shoot from range and g43 sqyad moving to close the distance.
I personally use a 4 group Panzerfusiliere group, 3 with Panzershreck 1 with g43. Its a pretty destructive unit! Only MG's become a danger and when youre fast enaugh and the unit leveled up, you can even win this situation!
@@jedrusnowak3317 yeah! It happens to me too. So annoying.
Thanks for the video. Was gonna ask you if you could do a video on the different Soviet SMG
No new changes ?
Nice vid i very usefull i had this question for Long time now is solved
I didn't know that BARs are THAT OP...
not as gud as lmg upgrades but they can run and gun 😇
@@facehurt7606 BARs have a "Brutal" close-range profile though. LMG's have more dps on long-range as their burst-duration increases the further they are away.
OP? Far from it. Bigger likelihood of being dropped and you need more then one of them typically for it to be good. And it is locked behind tech.
ever since the g43 nerf its kinda made it bad bring back 45 munies
Can you do a video like this, but about AT guns?
Very informational. Thank you commissar
very interesting! thankyou sir :)
Nice. I wonder what are the differences for Soviet troops with SVT-40s
It's not particularly balanced. The penals remain competitive for one reason: PTRS counters 222 rush.
What about the 5 man gren upgrade?
Gets an STG not a 43
@@mikkel066h ah, the new update
K98k what's the dif when?
You can directly compare the weapons of two different infanteries in one graph with serealia.
Select first infantry, then switch to second infantry and click on requested weapon. Instead of moving perfomance, you get the comparison of both weapons.
Yeah I did that several times during this video.
@@tightropegaming Hey, I noticed you compared two different weapons from the SAME infantry like in 0:37. In 01:23, you switch between tabs to compare grens with commandos instead of comparing their DPS in one graph. I did not notice this in you video. Just a tip. Great video by the way. Only this missing is how a combat would end if you start to move backwards away with a G43 squad from a close range squad ;)
All I have learned that German troops suck at long and close range. It’s crazy allied units so strong
Yeah, specially us forces.. they can wipe you out in seconds.
so useful know. thx thight!
Great guide, thank you
Great vid, thanks a lot!
Awesome video, thank you!
That was weirdly entertaining
thank you!
What would we do without you
what is this map name?
I have to thank you!
Superb analysis.
THANK YOU TIGHTROPE
Incredible video
👍💥👍💥👍💥👍
Thank you sooo much tightrope!! I was not nearly aware of all this and consider myself otherwise quite well-experienced in most of the game! I appreciate how much work this took you, thank you, your community!
When using vetted infantry against one another you might want to use a gun-disabled vehicle (like a 251) near Pgrens to allow their combined arms passive, as penals for example have their passive bonus always factored in as well
The penal bonus is always active, the pgren one is probably only active around 1/5th of the time in my games at least so I feel it is better to show the most common scenario.
Great video, as always!
Awesome video!
I remember once, in a 4v4, I had 3 jaeger infantry squads completely destroy a USF machine gun in a building in a few seconds when firing from green cover. My men didn't even receive any suppression
Their veterancy was ???
@@ahmedshokry5729 either 1 or 2, can't remember since it was a couple of months ago
Used it only on fusiliers, but g43 is best on PGs belive it or not