Terava Jaakaripuukko 85 VS Terava Skrama 80
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Terävä Jääkäripuukko 85
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Price 50.99 - 88.99 CAD
Specifications
Weight: 4.41 oz / 125 g
Blade length: 3.35” / 85 mm
Total length: 7.28" / 185 mm
Blade thickness: 0.128” / 3.25 mm
Edge angle: 23°
Steel: 80CrV2 carbon steel, 59 HRC
Made in Kauhava Finland,
Terävä Skrama 80
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Price 50.99 - 88.99 CAD
Specifications
Weight 4.41 oz / 125 g
Blade length 3.15" / 80 mm
Total length 7.28" / 185 mm
Blade thickness 0.128" / 3.25 mm
Edge angle 23°
Steel Carbon steel 80CrV2, 59 HRC
Made in Kauhava, Finland.
Thanks for the great comparison video. This has to be one of the most thorough comparisons we have seen between these two!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you again for your continued support
I have most of the Terava knives and really like them but the 80/85mm knives have a big design flaw...the loaction of the lanyard hole. Who had the idea to put it on the lower end? The perfect location would be the middle (like it is with the bigger knives) so that no matter how you hold the knive the lanyard hole would not dig into your hand.
I think you need to make a larger version of the 85 with the same blade geometry & that lovely belly.
4.5 inch or 5 inch blade & I definitely would buy that & so would others.
I'll review the 140 soon 2 year review.
@@lonewandererbushcraftwildc6822 Ist taht excactly whats the 110mm one is? I dont think that you can get the excact same belly on the 100 due to the longer blade without making the blade higher. Imho the 110 is close enough. While i have the small Skrama i dont think they are worth it over the 110. Imho the 110 and one of the 200/240mm Skrama are useful although i wouldnt use them together. the 110 is best as standalone knife while the Skramas i would pair with a small stainless steel flat grind knife (folder or fixed with requiring a full tang).
What im not sure about is whether i should use a full scandi grind without micro bevel on the 110 or not. Ive grinded the 100 and the Garberg to a full scandi but ive yet to test how fragile it will make the edge.
I’ve used the Skrama 80 in combination with the 240 and sometimes with the 200. Perfect combi in my opinion. When I go to the woods in Germany (you can only carry a knife under 12 cm freely), I found that the Skrama 80 combined with a folding saw worked fine too. Thank you for sharing all your experience with us!
That is the perfect pairing in my opinion.Thanks for commenting
I have the full sized Skrama, the Jaakaripuukko 110,140 and 85 and I have not found the need to purchase another fixed blade knife since purchasing the Teravas. Between the two, I went with the JP85 as the profile to me, is more useful overall than the tiny Skrama. One should probably just get all of the models from both lines, just to be sure 😂
I like your thinking and at these reasonable prices, it is doable. Thanks for commenting
I’ve been using these since they released them years ago. Those blade don’t have the rubber handles. I cord wrapped them and they are still in service. I got the handles versions as soon as they came out. I’ve skimmed and butchered several deer with the Jp85. That’s hands down my favorite. The S80 is a great general purpose utility blade, but given the choice I just carry the 85. This whole line of knives calls into question the “need” for custom blades. (Not that it’s prevented me from acquiring them 😂)
Hi Mike. Good to hear from you. I agree with you on all points, including the need for custom knives. Like you, I still have them😊 Are you still in the saddle?
@@MarkYoungBushcraft I am. But the papers are in. 5 more years tops.
Thanks for the review. I have a 110 and a Skrama 240. I maybe have to get the smaller versions. Always room for another knife!
Either of these knives pair well with the two you have. Thanks for commenting
Finally! I'm glad you liked these models.
I have a model 140 that serves as a chopping and batoning knife and a model 85 that I carry as a neck knife for all other tasks. Note, I took the model 85 only with a plastic case, it costs 2 dollars and you just put a piece of parocor and a piece of elastic band through the already existing holes to hold the knife.
The 85 and 140 make a great pair. I would likely go with the 85 and the Skrama 200. Thanks for commenting
I love my skrama 80s. I have 2 of them, because I would have one spare, if I lose it accidentally. It is one very fine knife and somehow has one of the most comfortable handles for my hands and one of the best "Skandi" grinds on the market. Also their leather sheats are just such greater users: thin leather over the plastic insert with the snap button is the sheat design for nordic climates where you want to keep your blade dry and away from the damp leather.
They are hard to beat for sure. Thanks for commenting
Great, well composed vid!
Thank you sir!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting
too many people spend far too much money looking for perfect knife, gun etc. when they should just find one that appeals to them and learn to use it. That Puukko will do 90% of what you need a knife to do and the other 10% is probably better left to an axe.
That is true. As a competitive shooter when i was still in policing, we had a saying "Beware of the man with one gun. He probably knows how to use it" Thanks for commenting
I have the skrama 240 with a double leather sheath. That way i have the 240 and the 85 in a practical package.👍
Btw the 240 is on sale at the moment.
Thanks for sharing.
Right on. Great setup pairing them together. Thanks for commenting
Thanks Mark. I have the 110 and 140 both in carbon and stainless, but I had no idea the grind angle was so tall on the 85, so I dismissed it! I like that its versatile, strong and a great value. I may get one.
The 85 really is a sweet knife to use. Thanks for commenting
Excellent review showing the differences
Well done
I have both in the skeleton style with the simple leather sheath and use them both as neckers
Sharpened them both to zero grind so they became a very acute convex
Lazer blades
Awesome to use
The handles don’t need wrapping
I pair these with a 140 in SS
magnificent!
I would love to see theses knives come back in stainless steel. I know they tried Bohler N690 and found it hard or expensive to work with. Thanks for commenting
I wonder if they would try something like Sandvik 12c27. Always found it better than other simple stainless steels for some reason, either more tough or maybe the heat treat is easier to get it harder.
I have the skrama 240, jp110 and 4 mini skramas. Yes, 4.
Two are for work(I don have to grind them as often), with rubber grips, which are used as often as chisels, pry bars and scrapers as as they are used as knives and they hold up wonderfully. Sure, they get chips when i hit steel or concrete with them, but i have never had a worry that they will break or bend.
Other two i got as 'naked' versions and made wooden handles for them, slightly larger than runber ones, also leather sheaths with danglers. Without a dangler i find they sit too high on the belt for my liking. Those are my primary knives for all outdoor adventures. The grind angle on JP110 is not to my liking for what i need it for, albeit it is indestructible. Miniskrama is awesome for food prep and with bit of work and care, and if i was that way inclined, i could shave with it. Personally i find the sheepsfoot blade shape much more practical than a droppoint.
You're the first person who brought it to my attention that the JP85 has the same grind angle as the miniskrama. I might have to get one now to see if i can change my mind about blade shapes. Thanks!
Edit - if they ever produced miniskrama in 110 or 120 I would immediately get it!
All good points and I like your idea of a mini-skrama in 100-120cm. Kind of a scaled down 200. Thanks for commenting
I have the Skrama 80 and love it. It’s one of my 3 favorite knives. Fits my L hand, isn’t any bigger than it needs to be, works through wood like butter. I have often thought about buying the Puuko 85, but I strongly dislike the upward wedge. I would prefer a straight back or drop point.
I can understand that. I like them both for different reasons. Thanks for commenting
This is easily the best comparison video of these similar blades. Good stuff. Im curious how they would perform if they were the same thickness as say the 110.. which is my edc.
I carry the 85 in my pack just in case. Back up. But like you. Im not opposed to having as my main dig either.
Ive just been super confident with the 110. And im a creature of habit.
Good video as usual man.
I like that they are a bit thinner. Given their intended use, I think the thinner stock makes them better carvers. Thanks for commenting
It basically comes down to horses for courses, both are functional it’s a matter of what you want from a knife. I could use either but in different situations, but Im probably better off with either than nothing. I enjoy your channel thank you for your efforts.
Yes, exactly. Both work, each with slight difference depending on task. Thanks for commenting
Verustaleka make a sheath for the skrama 200/240 that can piggy back one of these smaller knives. Together they cover everything you might need to do while in the wilderness. Thanks for the review! I enjoy both of these, but the skrama 80 is my favorite. Great for those fine carving tasks.
Great setup being able to piggyback the two knives. Thanks for commenting
G'day Chris, I was looking at a mod for the purpose, but I didnt want to mess with the supplied leather sheaths. Personally I wish to do a Skrama 240 with a Puukko 140, though with all the different models there's a shipload of combos possible, in any case, I'll check it out, many thanks for the heads up mate.
Cheers Duke.
G'day Mark, well Terava have got the bases covered alright, and like the thought that's gone into them. Certainly opens up more pairing, (paring), options ; )
I did immediately think skinning for the TP 85 and kindling splitting for TS 80, but for sure they are both more than that, and I am glad that you showed that a seax, (like a parang), style tip is still very useful.
Btw; I'm sure you've noticed Mark, and probably mentioned before, this brand comes properly sharp out of the box, (edge and spine).
Also, pleased to see they've carried the sheath quality right through the range. Fair to say its not the absolute best I've seen in a production job, but they're very good IMO, ...... with a bit of Dubbin, or pure lanolin, should last for many a year.
Btw; lanolin is very good for carbon steel protection too I've found, (thanks to another commenter), and cheap as chips. Strangely, 80CRV2 ..... has had no oxidization probs without it in my salty air, ..... yet anyway ... but I reckon I'll get in first ; )
Personally, the shorter handles are a negative on these two, but I note they are both still full length tang, so I'd be happier with one of these way out in the sticks, than a Mora for example. Mind you as a carver, a Companion, or similar, is all you really need IMO, so again it's horses for courses.
I would say in general the 85 is the more obvious choice of the two, though I'd go with the 80, since it offers something different to what I already have in the size range.
Ultimately, depends on the intended purpose(s) and much more importantly, as you so rightly said, what else you have with you out in the bush.
Thanks for showing them mate, I didn't even know they existed and I'm sure either one could easily slip into a role for many folks. Cheers Duke.
Good rundown of the two knives. Thanks for commenting Duke
I've been back and forth this whole video which of these knives i would choose. I think I'm with you Mark and would go for the JKP85. I think it would be small enough to carry every day and robust enough to serve as a great knife to have on your belt should you actually end up in a situation unexpectedly where you only have the knife on your belt. Thanks for sharing them both Mark!
Truly, you can't go wrong with either knife. Hope you are staying safe in our crazy weather. Thanks for commenting Steve
@@MarkYoungBushcraft you guy’s definitely got the worst of the weather. Hope everything is good around you Mark. Saw a lot of flooding in your area.
Good review Mark, thanks for sharing, God bless !
Very welcome. Thanks for commenting
Great video. Thanks for your experiences with the nice knives.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting
Thank you for this video! I love how you are very explanatory on these knives! Great job!
I am interested in purchasing the 110 and the 85.
Love the leather sheath. Would love to know how much the 85 is? Again...thanks!
Glad you enjoyed the video. I can only suggest you go to the website as what it will cost and what shipping will be may be different for where you live. Thanks for commenting
After i play with skrama, jp140 that i sell it, and jp85.
I sell all my work knives and stay with skrama and 85.
The 85 bit my all moras after little resharp of 85. The carbon steel of Terava line is one of the best woods steel i think. The price is graet.
Best knives after all
That tow knives and hand saw it's all wat i need outdoor whenever..
Great choice. Thanks for commenting
My Choice Is On The 85 All Nice Blades, Thanks For Your Demo, Mark ! ATB T God Bless
I favour the 85 as well. Thanks for commenting Terry
I luv the Skrama 80 for edc cuz I can exert a lot of pressure on the tip to pierce through heavy packaging or to cut hose or rope.The flat section makes this blade feel like a longer blade than it is. Prying out staples or trimming lumber to fit in tight spaces are ideal applications as well. Pinching the blade between thumb and forefinger makes this blade very comfortable for cutting vapour barrier, plastic, or paper products. I would luv to see this Skrama style blade with the Jakaripuukko 110 handle.🇨🇦
I like that idea if TJ110 size Skrama. I will ask them about making one. Thanks for commenting
If you took a 140 puuk, you could grind the tip to create a skrama shape, but id prefer a bit taller blade for a 110 skrama shape
I have both and agree with what you say. There's one other aspect. International travel and how people react to it. The sheep foot style blade of the mini Skrama makes it look less 'dangerous' and it's more clear it's just a tool and not a weapon in any way. This can make the difference between customs allowing the knife or taking it from you.
Interesting to consider. Thanks for commenting
Either one of them would make a great neck knife or companion knife to the main knife or as a backup .would be hard to choose without doing a long-term use comparison. Great video, God bless you and your family and happy camping 🏕. Lee
I love these little knives. They are so versatile for sure. Thanks for commenting
80crv2 is tough stuff. I just discovered the small knives in this line. They seem like users.
They are great users for sure. Thanks for commenting
Oh heck ya, I want both!
Right on. Thanks for commenting
Got the Skrama 80. No grips, just a length of bicycle inner tube for a handle. With a homemade sheath of cardboard and duct tape, it’s ugly but carries nice and flat i a pocket.
All that matters is if it works. Thanks for commenting
Very cool, chunky little knives. I like the way the 80 looks. 🔪✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦✌️
It is a great little knife for sure. Thanks for commenting
Here at Alaska Raft Connection, my preference is the baby Skrama 80mm. As outfitter and guide for remote wilderness fly out destination river trips... the Skrama 80 is quite a bit more suitable for me vs. Puukko 85. I do like the hybrid curvature and tip design of the 85... but I'd run with my 110 or 140 preference-wise in allrounder mode. I've also made knives from Laurin blanks - so there's that. Skrama 240 is a go-to for all 4 seasons here in Alaska. Skrama 80 makes for a very suitable, reliable compact knife for the river-runner.
Well considered. I now have all the Terava knives and feel my best combination is the 240 with either the 110 or the 85, or both. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft I will likely/eventually obtain the 85mm in what to me appears to be a great little hybrid puukko. Nice stash overall size. I've purchased several of the line up when various models were first released. 240, 140, 110, 110 stainless, and 80. 240 gets the go-to vs. the others. The sheaths are also winners. Some just go knife... however the sheath design, materials, retention, and quality should not be overlooked.
I’ve always wondered at what that blade shape is for. I’m sure there is a bit more to it that you showed, but that was a really interesting point you made. I think the thing is with these knives is traditionally over there, they used knives as working tools more than us. So there would literally be knives in the tool box, whereas we see them more as recreational things. We wouldn’t carry a tool box camping, so we don’t have specialized knives. At least that’s the way I see it.
I love this company and have shopped there for many years. One thing I love is their sense of humour. My Puukko isn’t made by them, but some family run company, and it has a full handle, but I think a 4 or 4 1/2 inch blade, and they say it’s small, but still perfectly useable for general tasks, and one on the list is stabbing your brother. 😀
Mine also has this upcurl on the spine, similar to this one, and they said it’s some traditional scandi tribe style that they use for things like lifting pots off the fire. It won’t slide off like the more common down turn. Though it looks like the one on yours is maybe more for a lever point for your thumb.
Thanks for the demo. I don’t think the flat one is for me, but gives me something to look into. Always learning.
Hi Jim. I truly enjoy working with the people at Varusteleka. On first appearance, these knives look too chunky to be useful but was I wrong. I can see myself taking them out more often, especially paired with one of the bigger ones. Thanks for commenting
For the money & amazing sheaths & materials I really don't think you can beat there knives I love there knives & own the 110 & 140 & next I'm going to get the skrama 200 combo with the 85.
The 200 and 85 would make a great combo. Thanks for commenting
Just saw Felix's new video about the Victorinox Venture series bushcraft knives. I really think they are going to shake up the community. What a great looking knife with a useful toolset.
I just the posting and will be watching it in a moment. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft looking forward to your review of it in the future lol. 🤪
like you said - the puuko has the more useful profile - i would probably just get the plastic carrier - it has belt hooks and less expencive if i was just gonna occasionally carry it or just carry it in the pack - gret review - i would have like to see you strike a fire with it - it looks like it would be great at that - and your right - its shorter blade means its more compact for scraping and striking fire steel in a more confined position
Good point on scraping with these knives. I left it out as I have done so with the larger Terava knives and these are very much the same. Thanks for commenting
Did you buy just directly from their site? Been trying to find someone in canada retailing them
They came directly from Varusteleka. As far as I know, they are the only place you can buy them. I can say they are very fast. Thanks for commenting
These short blades look like they would be a much better short knife than day a Mora Eldris. I like the idea of the ones without hands for either keeping that bare metal, or to make your own handle
I find them much more useful than the Eldris. Thanks for commenting
In Finnish...the J is always pronounced as a Y... Yääkari 🤘
Thank you. I appreciate the assistance
Unfortunately Terava don't export direct to UK. It would be good if they could find a dealer here. Nice demo . Thanks
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for commenting
I’ve had my eyes on the mini saex for years. It’s high on my want list but low on my needs list.
True, it is not "needed" but you know you "want" it😉. Thanks for commenting
Personally I actually like the 80 mm small blade I use it as a house knife and have it on a backpack strap or on my jungle harness strap for day walking trips
Good choice for sure. Thanks for commenting
Cool beans!!!!!
Did you also get the new tiny knife made from leftover Skrama material?
Yes, I received it just recently. I am finding it incredibly useful. Thanks for commenting
Hope we can get a review after you’ve had some time with it 👍
I really like Terävä knives. They are far better than most other but at reasonable prize. Like my favourite Mora. The steel is easy to sharp yet very strong. In Sweden and Finland a knife is a tool, not a fancy gadget. Thats why the durability mist be high and the prize low.
I agree, very high quality functional knives. Thanks for commenting
Crap, another 2 knives I will probably have to buy. The 85 for sure.
Oops, sorry about that😉
Many a Bear or Elk have been disassembled with a simple Buck 110 folder. These blades are similar size, w/the advantage of a fixed blade... no reason these won't be superb at game chores ...
Buck is overrated
@@jimlahey5623 perhaps, but that can be said of many products. But it's true that they've done a ton of work for a large number of users.
I agree. In fact I think a smaller knife is easier to use when working inside an animal. At least for most of the tasks. Thanks for commenting
How much do they retail for in USD ?
$67.45 but check the website for the variations. Thanks for commenting
Thanks for commenting