Hey guys just quickly wanted to say a few things: 1. Thank you for getting this to 1k views in less than 24 hours??? 2. I just want to remind/make clear to everyone that, I do like this movie! My main observation is just how fantasy movies have changed in certain story aspects. 3. I get that there’s comedy all throughout D&D- but in my opinion, in a movie that has been said “you don’t need to play d&d to watch this”-Chris Pines. When comedy overrides your characters for MOST of the movie, it’s hard to attach yourself to the story. 4. Go watch this movie asap, it’s great. 5. Thank you, bye!
Love seeing yours guys thoughts on my perspective of the Dungeons and Dragons movie, especially the ones that disagree with me! I love seeing the other perspective. What I’m gathering from this is there’s 2 sides-> D&D players and the non players. Which is totally understandable! But I think we can all agree, this movie WAS good and the HUMOR did hit at times (or most of the times for a lot of you!) As well as the exposition dumbs weren’t as big of deals for the D&D fans. Interesting to see the split. Love seeing the conversations, my apologies if I’m not able to reply to everything!
Interrupting scenes for the sake of jokes is like 60% of DnD. Occasionally there's a super serious character, or super hardcore rp folks, but they are not anywhere close to the majority. Also since DND is like 95% telling and not showing and is permeated with lore dumps, the film is soooo accurate and just makes it way better. Each of the characters in the film were very distinct in personality and behavior along with a fair amount of subtlety in character emotion and intention. It was definitely not the focus, but it doesn't need to be. Also, you should really try out dnd sometime. It's a fantastic game. I've been dming campaigns and running sessions weekly for 5+ years and don't plan to stop anytime soon. It's a blast.
Honestly, this movie made me want to play! And when it comes to the lore dumps being accurate and better, from my outside perspective- I have to respectfully disagree. My main reason for that is just because the game is like that, doesn’t mean it translates well for the majority of the audience, so normal movie watchers might end up getting bored. HOWEVER, thank you for commenting and sharing your perspective :) I hope you have a great day
"movies are no longer a journey for the viewer to experience, and instead have turned into what is essentially a quick fix of dopamine" ok king pop offf
I do agree in parts with this review, and defo think it's an interesting take. The truth is it'd be pretty much impossible to replicate a story like lord of the rings in D&D. But for me the clowning aspects attributed to the film, although hollywood schlock , also lean a lot into what feels close to my experience of actual play. It's a game you play with your friends and you try to crack them up with the most hairbrained one liners and retorts you can. I used to play a lot with a professional comedian, I loved it because we got so much comedy from just being sassy peasants with a toddlers level of education in game. That said I enjoyed the movie a lot, but I would never wish for it to be a standard for fantasy storytelling. But this is also in the same manner that I dislike how a lot of north american fantasy feels like it bastardises euro myth and legend, as well as euro fantasy, because it pulls apart and reassemblies a lot of extremely regionally specific tales and beliefs. You have great significance tied to certain places, then those ties are blindly cut. D&D for me is very separate from the fantasy I enjoy as media, because it's really strong characterwise and sometimes with worldbuilding, but it's hard to have grand metaphors or introspections worked into it. It could never talk about war like "Lord of the Rings", or the toxic cycles of mythology like "The Owl Service". TLDR D&D is a violent fantasy sitcom you act out with your friends, not a take down of violence and war. *edit: ahdkjfals
My experience of actual play was a bit different, and I think the vibe can differ from party to party. My group stayed in the same campaign for 4 years, led by the DM that was treating it like writing one of his fantasy books. We were trying to unravel plots and piece together political machinations, and become the defenders of the world against the BBEG. The comedy level matched the personalities of the players, but the game itself was a huge serious quest developed by multiple sub-quests. Realism was high.
This needs more views!! I hate how every single movie needs the same heavily incorporated comedy in it now. Don't get me wrong, I love a good comedic movie and comedy in action movies or period dramas like Bullet Train or Gentleman Jack can be phenomenal, but not EVERY. SINGLE. THING. needs goofy comedy or sarcasm to be entertaining. This trend where every single show or movie feels like it needs to be funny in order for audiences to like it, *cough cough Taika Waititi cough* just feels cheap and condescending.
YES A FELLOW GENTLEMAN JACK STAN Also agreement. But glad the Paladin did the walk over a rock, me everyday speed walking to work over cars and other pedestrians.
This is a popcorn flick. It's for fun, nothing wrong with that. Take a look at fantasy films in the 80s, many of these are goofs and some stick with you(check out Conan). Not every movie needs to change your view on life. Nothing more nothing less. I really enjoyed it. Comedy was fine. I know what it is. DnD for most people is just to have fun, sure you can take it more seriously but most of the time it's for laughs, depends on the table.
Very interesting essay! I think it was a very good idea to compare the D&D movie to the first LOTR b/c it does draw a clear line in the different approaches to the storytelling. Not that there isn't a time & place for a piece of media that is very hand-holdy, I agree that it's kind of a shame that all movies are leaning more and more towards this idea that the audience can't be trusted to experience a film(/media in general). Thanks for making & sharing!
This might be a good take if this was a traditional fantasy movie, and for an audience that isnt keen on dnd sure you can watch it as such. But I think youd be missing the point and largely wasting your time coming from that angle. Dnd campaigns are largely intimately character driven, choppy in regards to plot and flow, and full of quippy comedy even when it doesnt match the tone. Because they arent written! They are improvd by amateur people with no acting or writing training being led by some nerd who is stressing to throw something semi-coherent together after work before the session. While Marvel-schlock is a real thing in drama or action movies its not relevant or even artificial in the context of DnD. That kind of schlock is a regular occurrence among friends playing make believe with dice. Sure you can say the DnD movie is a 6/10 regular old blockbuster movie, which it is. But as a love letter to home table games, its a 10/10 for me and got everything right.
Thank you for commenting! Love to hear from your perspective. While I can see how from my outside perspective, I might not get the movie like actual D&D players do- and I did try to keep that in mind while writing this script. And I do understand your argument but I have a question, Do you think that it’s justified for a movie to not necessarily flesh out its characters in a “largely intimately character driven” type of game just because it’s similar to the play style? I don’t know if I can agree with that for a couple of reasons: 1. Not everyone has played D&D. We are watching a movie, not playing the game. So the experiences at their core are going to be i different due to the differences in mediums. Even if it’s on the same source material. 2. Many (not all) good movies have interesting and compelling characters as they add value to the story with their individual interactions and personalities, so when those type of characters are missing- it allows for ppl like me to notice that abundance of mistimed comedy and lack of character support. As movies are my forte and the game is not. Would love to hear your opinion :)
@@grandaveragefilms I really would disagree with you that the characters arent fleshed out. They are not fleshed out in great detail, true. The intended audience of dnd players knows they are "the Bard" "the Barbarian" "the Sorcerer" etc. They are playing fairly simple characters, but simple isnt bad. in the example you used: Holgas attitude about her culture and backstory are revealed (which does come back as a payoff btw when they dont let her die in battle!), and the scene moves forward. The characters are simple so everyone can see their own characters from their own game in them. fyi I was fully expecting this movie to be marvel-era corporate trash, and I would love to push any local hasbro execs off a bridge. Which is why im so ecstatic that it really turned out to be something really special for me and the dnd community. My main point is that you can keep looking at this movie from a narrative film critics perspective, and you have every right to do that, but you are wasting your time and missing the point. If the intended audience for a piece of art loves it for what it is; cynicism from an outsider is just going to give off old man yelling at cloud energy.
I agree with your points here. Really hit the nail on the head. Character backstory and personality often is important, but usually reveals itself slowly over time in a campaign through small moments. Like they did with the film. If they make more of these, perhaps they can achieve that overall growth of characterization that the table top often develops. (Plus the comedy is totally on point and in fashion for a dnd adapted work. See Critical Role's The Legend of Vox Machina for a similar quippy comedic tone interlaced with drama for another example of this).
Interesting take, while you have addressed most of my point in your pinned comment I'll just say. I would like to see more fantasy movie that takes themselves more seriously and try to tell no-nonsense, low funnies heartfelt story... but I kind of feel every time some one try to do that since lord of the ring the audience go "erg... cringe" .... or you need games of thrones levels of gratuitious sex and violence... It's def the film makers fault form making every adventure romp marvel levels of "funny"... but maybe the audience too for refusing to engage with anything any deeper... I sometime wonder if the "my friend, my captain, my king" scene would not be derided if created today ( and not set in 25 years of nostalgia)
I was honestly shocked watching the movie. It's really a DND movie made for DND players. A lot of the stuff that might come across as bad or cliched storytelling I really just references to the experience of playing D&D. Probably the most obvious thing that you can point at is how every character just exposition dumps their backstory when you meet them. The movie seems very intent on laughing with a DND audience about D&D and I personally think it does a wonderful job of doing that, as does everyone else I know that plays D&D. - Of course the reason why I'm surprised that they decided to do this, is that I fully expect this to alienate anyone who hasn't played DND, because it's all just going to come across as awkward and bad storytelling. It might even spawn video essays using it as an example of bad storytelling XD
Haha who would think about making a video essay discussing this movie ?? Nah but yeah that’s the main idea from what I’ve gathered. People who play D&D really like this movie, while people who don’t…not as much. Still a 7/10 imo
@@grandaveragefilms I like it. It's a movie designed for a specific audience, and it successfully delivered to that audience. I think we need more of that. It's not a generic "fantasy movie", it's exactly what everyone has been calling it "the DND movie". A bold move. I hope it pays off in the box office, I haven't looked into it, but there's been a lot of negative press surrounding WOTC recently so I'm worried the DND movie won't do as well as it should have, and then the movie industry might take that as "niche movies don't work"
I see a lot of good points, and I do think that there should be more movies made like Lord of the Rings was, but I also think that Honour Among Thieves was made in a way that it would be a comedy first, fantasy movie later, the comedy was supposed to be improved by the characters and the world, not the other way around. It seems to me, personally, that the creators of the movie went into it looking to accomplish something interily different then Tolkien had with Lord of the Rings, and I think that they did what they aimed to do quite well, is there room for improvement, sure, would I have loved for it to have done more work to expand upon the characters (who I really like the design and general vibe of), of course, do I still consider it a good and well made movie, absolutely. Something doesn't need to be perfect to be loved, and the movies shortcomings are heavily outweighed by its pro's, in my opinion. The way I see it this was a great movie, and I'd be up to visit this world and story again. And if they do make a sequel I would hope for them to expand upon the things that were lacking, but even if they wouldn't I'd still be happy to see another fun, good, and very funny movie. To end this long comment I'd like to again state that, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I do this in all caps because this is the internet, and I think we all know how the internet works... unfortunately, anyways thanks for reading through this whole message, or just skipping to the end, either could be true. Bye
Honestly I do agree largely with what you’re saying. Especially with hoping for a sequel, in my description I mention how I can’t wait to rewatch the movie and/or watch another movie if one does come out.
I watched this film yesterday, it was just so boring, the actors were trying to be funny at times but there was just too much dialogue and not enough action. They also copied jokes from other films If we had some better actors it would've been much better
Idk man, to me, this is comparing apples to oranges. These are two very different movies, in very different genres. The DnD movie is comedy, while LOTR is not. It would be perfectly possible to create a story with the same sense of serious weight and history etc as LOTR set in the Forgotten Realms, but that is not what the producers of this movie were going for. They wanted a comedy, a guardians of the galaxy, marvel-esque comedy.
I’m assuming you’re saying people made videos claiming Logan changed super hero movies and are comparing that to my video? I would disagree because I’m not saying D&D changed the fantasy genre, I’m examining to movie to see how the genre has changed over time
This started getting too much into spoilers for me around the 6 minute mark, so I apologize if you address this later, but what you're talking about is "The Great Whedon-ification." No one calls it that anymore because Whedon was cancelled, but that's who really started this. Seriously, go back and try to find anything that was like Buffy the Vampire Slayer before Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Then, you had people like James Gunn who really dialed in and honed the Whedon-system. I suspect the reason it "works" so well is because a lot of the time people going to see genre films are actually "normies." Normies get turned off by things like the Lord of the Rings. They get turned off by literally everything because they probably don't have an internal monologue and maybe even have aphantasia, so they're basically just knee jerk reactions masquerading as people. But, you throw in an easy-to-understand joke every 30 seconds and you can keep their attention hooked as well as have them leave the film more likely to endorse it to others. Theme, parables, foreshadowing, pathos, none of that shit matters anymore bud. And you can't use sex now either. So for at least the next 10 years, everything is going to be a remake of the first Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy films. Vanilla spectacle with some explosions, enemies that don't correspond to any possible living "types" of people, and forgettable jokes.
Hey guys just quickly wanted to say a few things:
1. Thank you for getting this to 1k views in less than 24 hours???
2. I just want to remind/make clear to everyone that, I do like this movie! My main observation is just how fantasy movies have changed in certain story aspects.
3. I get that there’s comedy all throughout D&D- but in my opinion, in a movie that has been said “you don’t need to play d&d to watch this”-Chris Pines.
When comedy overrides your characters for MOST of the movie, it’s hard to attach yourself to the story.
4. Go watch this movie asap, it’s great.
5. Thank you, bye!
Love seeing yours guys thoughts on my perspective of the Dungeons and Dragons movie, especially the ones that disagree with me!
I love seeing the other perspective. What I’m gathering from this is there’s 2 sides-> D&D players and the non players.
Which is totally understandable! But I think we can all agree, this movie WAS good and the HUMOR did hit at times (or most of the times for a lot of you!)
As well as the exposition dumbs weren’t as big of deals for the D&D fans. Interesting to see the split.
Love seeing the conversations, my apologies if I’m not able to reply to everything!
Interrupting scenes for the sake of jokes is like 60% of DnD. Occasionally there's a super serious character, or super hardcore rp folks, but they are not anywhere close to the majority.
Also since DND is like 95% telling and not showing and is permeated with lore dumps, the film is soooo accurate and just makes it way better.
Each of the characters in the film were very distinct in personality and behavior along with a fair amount of subtlety in character emotion and intention. It was definitely not the focus, but it doesn't need to be.
Also, you should really try out dnd sometime. It's a fantastic game. I've been dming campaigns and running sessions weekly for 5+ years and don't plan to stop anytime soon. It's a blast.
Honestly, this movie made me want to play!
And when it comes to the lore dumps being accurate and better, from my outside perspective- I have to respectfully disagree.
My main reason for that is just because the game is like that, doesn’t mean it translates well for the majority of the audience, so normal movie watchers might end up getting bored.
HOWEVER, thank you for commenting and sharing your perspective :) I hope you have a great day
"movies are no longer a journey for the viewer to experience, and instead have turned into what is essentially a quick fix of dopamine"
ok king pop offf
I got weirdly emotionally invested as I kept writing the script
@@grandaveragefilms rightfully 👏
Well that's because it's easier to do that and reach the largest audience possible that place your bets on another LotR.
Tbf Dungeons and Dragons feels like watching people play Dungeons and Dragons but I guess that's like the movie version of metagaming...metaviewing?
I do agree in parts with this review, and defo think it's an interesting take. The truth is it'd be pretty much impossible to replicate a story like lord of the rings in D&D.
But for me the clowning aspects attributed to the film, although hollywood schlock , also lean a lot into what feels close to my experience of actual play. It's a game you play with your friends and you try to crack them up with the most hairbrained one liners and retorts you can. I used to play a lot with a professional comedian, I loved it because we got so much comedy from just being sassy peasants with a toddlers level of education in game.
That said I enjoyed the movie a lot, but I would never wish for it to be a standard for fantasy storytelling. But this is also in the same manner that I dislike how a lot of north american fantasy feels like it bastardises euro myth and legend, as well as euro fantasy, because it pulls apart and reassemblies a lot of extremely regionally specific tales and beliefs. You have great significance tied to certain places, then those ties are blindly cut.
D&D for me is very separate from the fantasy I enjoy as media, because it's really strong characterwise and sometimes with worldbuilding, but it's hard to have grand metaphors or introspections worked into it. It could never talk about war like "Lord of the Rings", or the toxic cycles of mythology like "The Owl Service".
TLDR
D&D is a violent fantasy sitcom you act out with your friends, not a take down of violence and war. *edit: ahdkjfals
My experience of actual play was a bit different, and I think the vibe can differ from party to party.
My group stayed in the same campaign for 4 years, led by the DM that was treating it like writing one of his fantasy books. We were trying to unravel plots and piece together political machinations, and become the defenders of the world against the BBEG. The comedy level matched the personalities of the players, but the game itself was a huge serious quest developed by multiple sub-quests. Realism was high.
This needs more views!! I hate how every single movie needs the same heavily incorporated comedy in it now. Don't get me wrong, I love a good comedic movie and comedy in action movies or period dramas like Bullet Train or Gentleman Jack can be phenomenal, but not EVERY. SINGLE. THING. needs goofy comedy or sarcasm to be entertaining. This trend where every single show or movie feels like it needs to be funny in order for audiences to like it, *cough cough Taika Waititi cough* just feels cheap and condescending.
Right!! And what’s painful is this movie could’ve been so much better if it just timed it’s comedy a little bit better
YES A FELLOW GENTLEMAN JACK STAN
Also agreement.
But glad the Paladin did the walk over a rock, me everyday speed walking to work over cars and other pedestrians.
This is a popcorn flick. It's for fun, nothing wrong with that. Take a look at fantasy films in the 80s, many of these are goofs and some stick with you(check out Conan). Not every movie needs to change your view on life. Nothing more nothing less.
I really enjoyed it. Comedy was fine. I know what it is. DnD for most people is just to have fun, sure you can take it more seriously but most of the time it's for laughs, depends on the table.
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Aye thank you!
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I expected the paladin, and the bard to make out, was disappointed
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Very interesting essay! I think it was a very good idea to compare the D&D movie to the first LOTR b/c it does draw a clear line in the different approaches to the storytelling. Not that there isn't a time & place for a piece of media that is very hand-holdy, I agree that it's kind of a shame that all movies are leaning more and more towards this idea that the audience can't be trusted to experience a film(/media in general). Thanks for making & sharing!
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought this, I was a little nervous that I was just on my own with this opinion 😅
Just finished watching, great video!
Thank you so much sir. I loved yours as well!
Good Video, I'd probably give the movie a 6/10 which isn't bad just decent, could have been better. Underrated channel btw
Ngl that underrated comment got me celebrating in my room like I just dunked on someone for the win in the nba
This might be a good take if this was a traditional fantasy movie, and for an audience that isnt keen on dnd sure you can watch it as such. But I think youd be missing the point and largely wasting your time coming from that angle.
Dnd campaigns are largely intimately character driven, choppy in regards to plot and flow, and full of quippy comedy even when it doesnt match the tone. Because they arent written! They are improvd by amateur people with no acting or writing training being led by some nerd who is stressing to throw something semi-coherent together after work before the session. While Marvel-schlock is a real thing in drama or action movies its not relevant or even artificial in the context of DnD. That kind of schlock is a regular occurrence among friends playing make believe with dice.
Sure you can say the DnD movie is a 6/10 regular old blockbuster movie, which it is. But as a love letter to home table games, its a 10/10 for me and got everything right.
Thank you for commenting! Love to hear from your perspective.
While I can see how from my outside perspective, I might not get the movie like actual D&D players do- and I did try to keep that in mind while writing this script. And I do understand your argument but I have a question,
Do you think that it’s justified for a movie to not necessarily flesh out its characters in a “largely intimately character driven” type of game just because it’s similar to the play style?
I don’t know if I can agree with that for a couple of reasons:
1. Not everyone has played D&D. We are watching a movie, not playing the game. So the experiences at their core are going to be i different due to the differences in mediums. Even if it’s on the same source material.
2. Many (not all) good movies have interesting and compelling characters as they add value to the story with their individual interactions and personalities, so when those type of characters are missing- it allows for ppl like me to notice that abundance of mistimed comedy and lack of character support. As movies are my forte and the game is not.
Would love to hear your opinion :)
@@grandaveragefilms I really would disagree with you that the characters arent fleshed out. They are not fleshed out in great detail, true. The intended audience of dnd players knows they are "the Bard" "the Barbarian" "the Sorcerer" etc. They are playing fairly simple characters, but simple isnt bad. in the example you used: Holgas attitude about her culture and backstory are revealed (which does come back as a payoff btw when they dont let her die in battle!), and the scene moves forward. The characters are simple so everyone can see their own characters from their own game in them.
fyi I was fully expecting this movie to be marvel-era corporate trash, and I would love to push any local hasbro execs off a bridge. Which is why im so ecstatic that it really turned out to be something really special for me and the dnd community.
My main point is that you can keep looking at this movie from a narrative film critics perspective, and you have every right to do that, but you are wasting your time and missing the point. If the intended audience for a piece of art loves it for what it is; cynicism from an outsider is just going to give off old man yelling at cloud energy.
I agree with your points here. Really hit the nail on the head. Character backstory and personality often is important, but usually reveals itself slowly over time in a campaign through small moments. Like they did with the film. If they make more of these, perhaps they can achieve that overall growth of characterization that the table top often develops. (Plus the comedy is totally on point and in fashion for a dnd adapted work. See Critical Role's The Legend of Vox Machina for a similar quippy comedic tone interlaced with drama for another example of this).
Interesting take, while you have addressed most of my point in your pinned comment I'll just say.
I would like to see more fantasy movie that takes themselves more seriously and try to tell no-nonsense, low funnies heartfelt story... but I kind of feel every time some one try to do that since lord of the ring the audience go "erg... cringe" .... or you need games of thrones levels of gratuitious sex and violence...
It's def the film makers fault form making every adventure romp marvel levels of "funny"... but maybe the audience too for refusing to engage with anything any deeper... I sometime wonder if the "my friend, my captain, my king" scene would not be derided if created today ( and not set in 25 years of nostalgia)
I was honestly shocked watching the movie. It's really a DND movie made for DND players. A lot of the stuff that might come across as bad or cliched storytelling I really just references to the experience of playing D&D. Probably the most obvious thing that you can point at is how every character just exposition dumps their backstory when you meet them. The movie seems very intent on laughing with a DND audience about D&D and I personally think it does a wonderful job of doing that, as does everyone else I know that plays D&D.
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Of course the reason why I'm surprised that they decided to do this, is that I fully expect this to alienate anyone who hasn't played DND, because it's all just going to come across as awkward and bad storytelling. It might even spawn video essays using it as an example of bad storytelling XD
Haha who would think about making a video essay discussing this movie ??
Nah but yeah that’s the main idea from what I’ve gathered. People who play D&D really like this movie, while people who don’t…not as much. Still a 7/10 imo
@@grandaveragefilms I like it. It's a movie designed for a specific audience, and it successfully delivered to that audience. I think we need more of that. It's not a generic "fantasy movie", it's exactly what everyone has been calling it "the DND movie". A bold move. I hope it pays off in the box office, I haven't looked into it, but there's been a lot of negative press surrounding WOTC recently so I'm worried the DND movie won't do as well as it should have, and then the movie industry might take that as "niche movies don't work"
I see a lot of good points, and I do think that there should be more movies made like Lord of the Rings was, but I also think that Honour Among Thieves was made in a way that it would be a comedy first, fantasy movie later, the comedy was supposed to be improved by the characters and the world, not the other way around. It seems to me, personally, that the creators of the movie went into it looking to accomplish something interily different then Tolkien had with Lord of the Rings, and I think that they did what they aimed to do quite well, is there room for improvement, sure, would I have loved for it to have done more work to expand upon the characters (who I really like the design and general vibe of), of course, do I still consider it a good and well made movie, absolutely. Something doesn't need to be perfect to be loved, and the movies shortcomings are heavily outweighed by its pro's, in my opinion. The way I see it this was a great movie, and I'd be up to visit this world and story again. And if they do make a sequel I would hope for them to expand upon the things that were lacking, but even if they wouldn't I'd still be happy to see another fun, good, and very funny movie.
To end this long comment I'd like to again state that, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I do this in all caps because this is the internet, and I think we all know how the internet works... unfortunately, anyways thanks for reading through this whole message, or just skipping to the end, either could be true. Bye
Honestly I do agree largely with what you’re saying. Especially with hoping for a sequel, in my description I mention how I can’t wait to rewatch the movie and/or watch another movie if one does come out.
I watched this film yesterday, it was just so boring, the actors were trying to be funny at times but there was just too much dialogue and not enough action. They also copied jokes from other films If we had some better actors it would've been much better
Idk man, to me, this is comparing apples to oranges. These are two very different movies, in very different genres. The DnD movie is comedy, while LOTR is not. It would be perfectly possible to create a story with the same sense of serious weight and history etc as LOTR set in the Forgotten Realms, but that is not what the producers of this movie were going for. They wanted a comedy, a guardians of the galaxy, marvel-esque comedy.
Valid argument, haven’t thought about this since I put the video out so maybe i should look back into it, idk
.....same video clsiming superhero genre changed forever about logan. Nothing happened
I’m assuming you’re saying people made videos claiming Logan changed super hero movies and are comparing that to my video? I would disagree because I’m not saying D&D changed the fantasy genre, I’m examining to movie to see how the genre has changed over time
This started getting too much into spoilers for me around the 6 minute mark, so I apologize if you address this later, but what you're talking about is "The Great Whedon-ification." No one calls it that anymore because Whedon was cancelled, but that's who really started this. Seriously, go back and try to find anything that was like Buffy the Vampire Slayer before Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Then, you had people like James Gunn who really dialed in and honed the Whedon-system.
I suspect the reason it "works" so well is because a lot of the time people going to see genre films are actually "normies." Normies get turned off by things like the Lord of the Rings. They get turned off by literally everything because they probably don't have an internal monologue and maybe even have aphantasia, so they're basically just knee jerk reactions masquerading as people. But, you throw in an easy-to-understand joke every 30 seconds and you can keep their attention hooked as well as have them leave the film more likely to endorse it to others.
Theme, parables, foreshadowing, pathos, none of that shit matters anymore bud. And you can't use sex now either. So for at least the next 10 years, everything is going to be a remake of the first Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy films. Vanilla spectacle with some explosions, enemies that don't correspond to any possible living "types" of people, and forgettable jokes.