Nah bro, That was Joey Crawford, one of the worst refs of all time, he gave Duncan too technicals for laughing and then ejected him, however Crawford was suspended for the entire season and then Duncan got a ring, I’ll link the video😂😂😂
They called him for pulling up on the rim, not for hanging on it. I still dont like the call, but it's closer than it looks. He does pull up a tiny bit at the end of his swing.
Seen a home team get a technical for a ball boy wiping up a wet spot on the floor during a dead ball timeout. Truth is, some refs are betting on games.
@@АмериканецвРоссии-и4бI know this is a principle in problem-solving but I still believe that people are as malicious as they are dumb and that both can even amplify each other.
it baffles me that in any other job, if you make big mistakes, you’re gonna get in trouble for it and possibly lose your job. but for referees, they’re allowed to make a shit ton of mistakes and won’t get fired or anything
Remember that time Kris Dunn of the Bulls let go too early and fell on his face, ending up with chipped and dislocated teeth? Guessing that’s what they wanted here, would’ve made for a good headliner.
@@MrElephantBeach you can, but this is one of those dunks where you really should hold on tight to that shit to make sure you don’t Kris Dunn yourself. Dude’s momentum and height would’ve easily got him hurt bad of he didn’t do that
The NCAA proved to be immensely incompetent this year. Whether that be officiating, over ranking teams, under ranking teams, or cutting teams out of the tournament that genuinely deserved to make it. Look at UNC, Kentucky, Indiana, and Texas A&M to see what I am talking about. Kentucky was overrated, Indiana straight up didn’t belong there, UNC was not an 8 seed but more like a 4 seed, and Texas A&M should have straight up been in it as was proven by their NIT and SEC Tournament performances.
im not an illinois fan but when i was watching this live i actually started yelling at my tv questioning why that was a technical. one of the worst calls ive ever seen
This is why, if you never played the sport at a high level, you shouldn't be a referee. Even if you can't dunk but you played at D1 level, you have the experience to know the difference between showing off and trying to avoid getting injured. Hell, I played D3 level and I could figure out that he was just trying to see where he would land before dropping.
@@devonalomar9012 Nah buddy everyone in the comment section is asking why that was a tech I’m asking why that was a tech too and I watch basketball just stop it
@@devonalomar9012 If you’re talking about how the refs always do this I get what your saying but it’s just still stupid and amazes me how dumb they really can be most of the tike
This happens too often for this to be the dumbest technical foul in history. The dumbest one I ever heard of was for a coach who stood up and moved aside so that a little old lady could step through the bench to her seat. Even worse, it was his second of the game, so he was ejected. The AD of the other school stopped the game by walking through the middle of the court, then huddled with the referees long enough that the call was reversed.
nah the dumbest one gotta be the tim duncan when he was laughing with his teamates at the bench and ref gave him a tech. honetly they should just fine these refs for bs calls like these
@@xelaki9360 Joey Crawford was the official, and the NBA unloaded on him. I don't know if he was fined, but he had to do anger-management therapy to keep his job. Crawford was a good official with a hair-trigger temper, so the attitude adjustment worked out well for both parties.
@@joshchambers5163The NBA is not MLB, so bad officials don't last, and they certainly don't work the playoffs. Crawford almost always was assigned to playoff games.
It was the second pull of the rim that got him. He used it essentially as a catapult and pulled himself up and out towards the free throw line instead of swinging to the side out of the other players way.
i don't see why on that trajectory he grabbed it... and...ref didn't either i spose. Throw ball down, pull hand back/don't curl fingers. duh. I only dunked once in actual game but 100's of times practicing... for many....many years and not once did i pull a rim down. I did hit it w/ my wrist to mid forearm til it got real sore...a few times. I think marks on arm from shooting down are better than from shooting up.. lol. But this is a habit people develop. It only helps when someone is colliding with you usually OR you get so high you hit your head if you don't push off. never that issue by 5" ish about like this guy
@@sounddoctorin I could dunk too and your comment is from someone that could just barely dunk, that’s why him grabbing the rim didn’t make sense to you. Or maybe you’re strictly a one handed dunker, I would hit my arm/wrist as well but switch to mostly two handed dunking in which you would never hit your wrist arm like that on the rim.
@@mbdg6810 He wasn't trying to be safe, he was hanging on the rim to showboat. You can see him showboat on the lead up to the dunk as well, and the hanging on the rim continued it. If you don't want people to think you're showboating by hanging on the rim after the dunk, here's a suggestion, don't obviously showboat during the dunk before that.
Just saw one the other day at our state's high school tournament semi-finals. Team leading by 10 as the clock runs out and the team begins to celebrate going to the state championship game, Referee Barney Fife tagged them with a T with :00.3 on the clock for leaving the bench. The kicker being that all photos and videos showed the team still behind the sideline as the backboard light went off.
I like how hanging on the rim (without yelling/looking at someone btw) is a technical but players can showboat and scream at and taunt their opponents and opposing fans (looking at you Arizona) and its all good, no problems.
I’m a big fan of sumo wrestling. SO fun to watch. Anyways, their referee, called the Gyoji, will actually get reprimanded or fined if he makes to many bad calls on who won or lost the fight. I don’t understand why we can’t do the same for American refs in all sports as well. There is a lot of honor to that.
That's what happens on paper. But the reality is the higher level gyoji are just promoted for the sake of promotion, and the lower level ones are reprimanded for literally anything. Do you remember the "epic anime gyoji" with the raspy voice? Once he made it to Juryo and more people started noticing him, he was reprimanded, forced to tone it down, and was demoted back to Makushita anyway. Meanwhile, the top gyoji won't have mono-ii called if it's too close, because the elders don't want to risk him being wrong.
Iowa's Keegan Murray took a 3 to tie the game with very short time left in their tournament loss, and was blatantly hit on the arm as he shot, resulting in an airball way short, sealing the game. The ref was standing right there looking straight at it. A dozen replays showed the obvious foul. The tourney has to keep a Cinderella around for at least a couple of games, I guess.
According to Newton's first law of motion, RJ Melendez maintains his state of constant speed unless acted upon by an external force (the basket). To avoid being thrown forward, Melendez tries to grasp a part of the rim to hold him back. Newton's First Law of Motion (Law of Inertia)
The refs didn’t need glasses, what they needed was common sense to apply rules on a case by case basis. Hanging on the rim is a violation, but anyone with a brain could see that it wasn’t to showboat, it’s so the person could land safely on their feet.
corruption in basketball is off the charts .we have technology now that needs to eliminate this. Instant replay and call reversals need to implemented asap before the game get compromised anymore. I realize a lot of people are against it but if you dig into it it is because they are probably profiting from the human error or corruption factor.
When the whole sport is based around drawing foul calls from the opposition, it creates the mentality that any call against the opposition is good and to be exploited. That’s why if the kid missed the free throw on purpose out of principle, he’d get benched.
@@kh2freek i feel that if a player does that (with the blessing of the coach/team), it will generate quite a fair bit of good publicity for the player and team. Then again, i agree with what you said and i do not see it happening.
That doesn't happen. It's not the other team's job to make judgements on the quality of calls. It's their job to shoot the ball if given a free throw. If you ask anyone on that team to miss on purpose because "there was a bad call", they will immediately rattle off 5-10 "bad calls" in the other team's favor and tell you that this one doesn't even come close to making up for it.
It’s a close game in the NCAA tournament, so I understand. But if I’m the player I’d definitely consider going up and just blatantly missing on purpose. Like chuck the ball with one arm at the backboard. If the ref T’s me up, then I expect the other team to do the same
This got me so mad when it happened, if the dude lets go any sooner he’s landing straight on his head. Not to mention Illinois was going on a run, and it completely killed all momentum all because the ref made it about him.
@@sharpieman2035 would of still been high chance of injury off of it. His momentum was going so fast forward and he jumped high enough. His arms likely hit back board, maybe head, and if arms are hit would push his momentum slightly backwards on the top, while the momentum is also enough to get him to the crowd. Risking not only himself but people in the crowd.
That's precisely the reason why dunks like that are discouraged in the NCAA ( Amateur basketball ). Time enough for showing off when you get to the pros.
I get that reffing is a difficult job, and nobody in their right mind would ever expect them to be perfect. They are human after all. That being said, it's high time leagues started fining refs who make blatantly unnecessary and objectively bad, potentially game changing calls such as this one. There simply was no reason for this Tech, and the ref should at the very least have to explain himself.
@@Jonathan-A.C. Sadly, it's the other way round. They are there to uphold the rules. The rules say it's a tech, so if they don't uphold it, they'll have to explain it to the ruling body. Stuff like this shows that the rules are made to fit all sizes. At the lower level, hanging on the rim can damage it, and replacing aint cheap. At high level, money is enough, baskets are high enough quality to not damage, so there is no impact. The rules should accomodate the playing field, *and vice versa*. As a ref myself, there are a lot of places where there is insufficient room behind the endline. Simple additional rule: if you so much as lightly push a player going up, it's a flagrant. I dont' want people smashing headfirst into concrete, and I'm not going to wait for it to call it. Similarly, if I know the basket is strong enough (and really, it should be), I don't care how hard they hang on the rim. Except during warmup. I've had games canceled because someone went overboard during warmup. Cool bro, do that in the game. Now we get to go home early, and home team gets a regulatory loss. It's a bit of courtesy. I don't go in your house trying to break shit.
@@cptfwiffo Nah, many refs, *cough* Joey Crawford *cough*, make absolutely asinine calls for literally no feasible reason. These aren’t just cases of them adhering to bad rules, it’s them doing bad jobs.
This is the equivalent of a linebacker getting called for roughing the passer after making contact right before the QB released the ball. Either play the sport and get a feel for how athletes bodies react in certain situations. Or take a class in physics to understand the laws of motion.
@@JasonH17 If you dunk when someone is right behind you, its the safest thing to hang on to the rim so you dont get undercut. Look at Pat McCaw getting injured by Vince Carter a few years ago. Wouldve been completely avoided if he decided to hang for a bit
@@deiondre0 looked it up and if you think these two things are the same thing I can't help you. No excuse for this player to hang the more I look at it the more I would have called it too. I can line up 10 thousand fast break dunks that they didn't have to hang. Especially when the defender isn't making a play on the ball. Lets just be real for a second you feel like there is nothing wrong with it you can't offer an intelligent argument as to how this doesn't break the rule. Your argument is with the rule not the enforcement. 0 reason for this guy to hang period.
Shaq would’ve just tore the whole fkn thing down and ruined the game, cuz then you don’t have to look back and hurt anyones feelings so, that’s what he should’ve done, duh 🙄
This is the equivalent of a linebacker getting called for roughing the passer after making contact right before the QB released the ball. Either play the sport and get a feel for how athletes bodies react in certain situations. Or take a class in physics to understand the laws of motion.
Once again, refs who've never played the game, with no idea of the mechanics or physics of being in a body in motion. I guess the closest they've ever been to the game is running up and down the court next to the guys actually playing the game.
Same thing happened with Devo Davis (Arkansas) in last years tournament So basically he needed to hang on the rim otherwise he would have fallen on another player. Yet the refs called a tech for hanging on the rim
He got called this year for slapping the backboard while he was hanging from the rim. I didn't see the slap at first and was screaming at the TV when they T'd him up. Then I screamed at him for doing it lol. Maybe the Auburn game?
We've seen what happens when people with authority aren't held accountable. NBA needs to evaluate how referees take responsibility for incorrect calls.
This isn't the NBA though.... It's the NCAA that sanctions these college games. Not only that, what's supposed to be THE TOP ECHELON of college basketball
My father-in-law coached basketball for years and I remember him telling me that many of the folks that become refs do so in order to experience authority that they desire, but lack in their regular lives.
@@vanhattfield8292 The point is that they don’t have a concept of the difference between “hanging on the rim in order to land safely due to momentum and people passing underneath,” and “grabbing the rim and showboating.” In order to assign the intent of the latter, a ref would have to eliminate the former, which is made FAR more difficult if one has never dunked a basketball on a fast break with defenders trailing. The fact that you also dismiss a legitimate reason for hanging on the rim, out of hand, is a really solid indicator that you’ve never done so either and a perfect illustration of the point.
@@briley2177 A problem with what you say is that if they are doing it "to land safely", looking down to insure that they can do so is part of that process. When the person who dunked is looking out at the crowd and smiling and never looks down to insure the landing area is clear, it eliminates that as an excuse for hanging on the rim from the argument, and that is what occurred in this video.
@@vanhattfield8292 BS… he swung back, not back and forth, just back… and turned his head as he did so. That process is less than one second long. The whole drunk, from elevation to landing, was less than three seconds long. You have no idea what dunking feels like, which is why you are dissecting this like the Zepruder Film and pretending that you can tell where he was looking, and what his facial expressions tell you about his intentions (both of which, by the way, the trailing referee who blew the whistle couldn’t possibly have seen). Additionally, nobody who has ever dunked a basketball looks “down” at the ground to see exactly where they’re gonna land, they assume the court is just as flat as it was the last time they were standing on it… you look to see where people are to make sure you aren’t gonna land on somebody, which doesn’t entail “looking down.” And what the hell does smiling have to do with anything? You can’t really be suggesting that smiling after dunking a basketball is “showboating?” You are, aren’t you? You’re assuming that if a guy smiles and looks at the crowd for half a second, before swinging back towards the court in the next half-second, that guy did something unsportsmanlike… that’s a hot damn take that tells the whole world that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are proving my exact point for me.
@@briley2177 The video is pretty clear that he didn't look down, you can babble on and on and that doesn't change that. 😂 That goofiness you are sputteing at the end, trying to sway the focus from the video that clearly shows he doesnt look down. He looks directly back atthe opposing crowd, then to his right at the crowd., pulling himself up using the rim as he does so. When they show it is slow motion, the announcer says something like "If he doesn't hold on to the rim he is going to hit his head" but the video at that same moment shows his head was already BELOW the backboard and the danger of hittinmg it only occurs as he pulls himself up after the ball was through and he is grasping the rim. The only one making assumptions is you. I am stating what is shown in the video. The ref made the call, not me. If you attempt to use the argument that he held the rim because he thought he was being undercut or someone is below him, then looking dowen to make sure it is clear is part of the process to insure no one is there. Of course soomeone NOT concerned about that doesn't look down and that is why he got called for the T. I don'y suggest that just "Smiling" when dunking is showboating, but that is not the onlything he did. He grabbed the rim, did an extra pull up while turning his head to the crowd and smiling. Again, that is why he got the T. If I am the ref, it's not something I am calling, but there is certainly enough there for a ref to call it if he decides to do so.
Somebody in the state I live in, a high school basketball player dunked it on a fast break and flexed at his bench and got called for a technical it was so dumb
I’ve seen this exact dunk happen with momentum just like that at my first basketball tryout day. Except the guy let go and broke his arm on the way down after landing arm and head first. That ref has never dunked in his life, dumb tec
This is literally what happened to me in my last play in high school. Stole the ball at half court, ran down, dunk it and swung back and they popped me with a technical. Pretty stupid especially since we was down 30 but it was whatever.
Huge Illini fan here, and in a season with too many crapcalls to keep track of, that was up there with the worst of them. I still can't believe they T'd RJ up for that.
@@Maxbps88 He was going full speed and leaning forward to reach the basket. If he doesn't hang his momentum is taking him face first into the stanchion. The whole hanging on the rim being a T in college is nonsensical anyway. But this one was justified even within that stupid rule.
@@_maza_2443 Not at all true based on the facts = all he had to do was dunk the ball and land just like 98% of dunks since 1962. Having to swing himself around was caused by hanging on the rim. You will see it soon.
@@Maxbps88 Like the reporter said, he was going at full speed and momentum plus with the possibility of making sure it will go in for sure since he could of messed up.
@@isaact3794 Not sure you know what you are talking about. Because he was running so fast and dunking he had to slow his momentum or he would have injured himself. Go check out the NCAA rules and specifically Rule 4, Section 15, Article 3. It states that a player can hang on the rim to “prevent injury.” Once again the refs made a bad call. Educate yourself next time before you comment. 🤗
To me it's even crazier that the other team didn't miss the free throw on purpose, disgraceful that the referees get away with stuff like this and players get fined tens of thousands. America for you.
Joe Crawford was an idiot but even he wouldn't have done this in the NBA (or maybe he would have)... I know if this is my high school gym where there are walls maybe 6 feet behind each basket (best guess), if he lets go right away, he dies.
Then it's amazing that Julius Erving is still alive. His slam dunks make this kid look like a punk and he never hung from the rim after doing his thing.
@@highnrising this kid isn't even showboating the dunk. Because it was a breakaway dunk, his momentum is carrying him off the rim...he has to swing himself back to fight it. That in no way is showboating. Even Gene Steratore frowned on that tech. You cannot be that anal of a ref on a potential momentum swinger when a team is trying to get back into the game. And I've seen Dr. J's dunks...he was already down low to start his jumps and that's why he was never in that vulnerable of a position.
If Joe Crawford was the ref.....I guarantee this was fucked up!!!! His brother Jerry has been fucking up MLB games or 30 years.....it's a family business!!!!! He's probably best friends with Angel Hernandez!!!!!! Geez.....He is just the worst!!!
Refs don’t understand dunking because they can’t dunk when you are hanging on the rim if you let go right away you are probably going to fall awkwardly if you hang on a little long you fall straight down
This is why college basketball needs serious revision. It’s tough to watch for basketball fans. Too many refs with a “you’re a kid I’m an adult” mindset. Too many refs making the game about themselves
we need these guys to interview after and explain themselves
Yes!!!!!!
Been saying it for years. Players and coaches have to do it. So should refs, they’re paid professionals
Do you think the answers would be insightful?
Like do you expect a satisfactory answer after this game?
What a dumb f’in rule!!
I agree....that would probably tighten them up some and let some of the ticky tack sh|t go.
It's called betting
Just a reminder Tim Duncan was T'd for laughing. It's amazing with how soft refs can be
This is extra disgusting with kids in the biggest moment of their lives. It’s call March MADNESS for fucks sake 🤦🏻♂️
@@KonaTheDragon unforgivable. He should never officiate another tournament game
You mean how dumb they are
Nah bro, That was Joey Crawford, one of the worst refs of all time, he gave Duncan too technicals for laughing and then ejected him, however Crawford was suspended for the entire season and then Duncan got a ring, I’ll link the video😂😂😂
I was gonna say.. maybe 2nd worst tech ever.. Timmy D got 2 techs and ejected for laughing in the bench, will always be the worst techs ever
I think Refs should pass a class in physics before being hired😂
add a vision test, and a sensitivity test on top of that
And fans should have to pass a test on rules would you agree ?
@@ericdeegFans just have to be respectful
They called him for pulling up on the rim, not for hanging on it. I still dont like the call, but it's closer than it looks. He does pull up a tiny bit at the end of his swing.
More like iq test
Seen a home team get a technical for a ball boy wiping up a wet spot on the floor during a dead ball timeout. Truth is, some refs are betting on games.
Most* refs are betting on games, or being paid to make sure it goes a certain way.
Never attribute to malice (or gambling) what can reasonably be explained by stupidity.
@@АмериканецвРоссии-и4бnice 👌Hanlons razor always relevant
@@АмериканецвРоссии-и4бI know this is a principle in problem-solving but I still believe that people are as malicious as they are dumb and that both can even amplify each other.
@@Guizmopeg Entirely valid and I don't mean to dismiss that. I just think that there's a lot more plain incompetence than many people account for.
it baffles me that in any other job, if you make big mistakes, you’re gonna get in trouble for it and possibly lose your job. but for referees, they’re allowed to make a shit ton of mistakes and won’t get fired or anything
Remember that time Kris Dunn of the Bulls let go too early and fell on his face, ending up with chipped and dislocated teeth? Guessing that’s what they wanted here, would’ve made for a good headliner.
I think this technical is awful but you can dunk without holding onto the rim.
@@MrElephantBeach you can, but this is one of those dunks where you really should hold on tight to that shit to make sure you don’t Kris Dunn yourself. Dude’s momentum and height would’ve easily got him hurt bad of he didn’t do that
I watched that game live, that was scary asl
Jaylen Brown on the Celtics. Let go of the rim before ready and knocked himself out, close to breaking his neck
@@MrElephantBeach bruh
I was at this game…this crew was horrible and the crowd let them know
Sad part is they were Big Ten Officals.
Good, that was your sacred duty as Americans
@@cineMADvocate What other person satisfied your wife this morning to get you so pissy?
@@cineMADvocate Jeez man relax. Did he snatch your girlfriend or something
@@cineMADvocate take your meds
Unfortunately this years NCAA tournament was marred by some horrible calls.
fr bro
Nah rock chalk
The NCAA proved to be immensely incompetent this year. Whether that be officiating, over ranking teams, under ranking teams, or cutting teams out of the tournament that genuinely deserved to make it. Look at UNC, Kentucky, Indiana, and Texas A&M to see what I am talking about. Kentucky was overrated, Indiana straight up didn’t belong there, UNC was not an 8 seed but more like a 4 seed, and Texas A&M should have straight up been in it as was proven by their NIT and SEC Tournament performances.
@@devinmartinez7705 nope, R L has a point. The tournament was horribly officiated this year.
@@howardbaxter2514 officials manishials paticials… hawks in 4
im not an illinois fan but when i was watching this live i actually started yelling at my tv questioning why that was a technical. one of the worst calls ive ever seen
This was a win or go home game and made them lose momentum
This is why, if you never played the sport at a high level, you shouldn't be a referee. Even if you can't dunk but you played at D1 level, you have the experience to know the difference between showing off and trying to avoid getting injured. Hell, I played D3 level and I could figure out that he was just trying to see where he would land before dropping.
You don't watch much basketball, do you?
@@devonalomar9012 Nah buddy everyone in the comment section is asking why that was a tech I’m asking why that was a tech too and I watch basketball just stop it
@@devonalomar9012 If you’re talking about how the refs always do this I get what your saying but it’s just still stupid and amazes me how dumb they really can be most of the tike
That ref that called a T is a classic example of a single celled organism.
This happens too often for this to be the dumbest technical foul in history. The dumbest one I ever heard of was for a coach who stood up and moved aside so that a little old lady could step through the bench to her seat. Even worse, it was his second of the game, so he was ejected. The AD of the other school stopped the game by walking through the middle of the court, then huddled with the referees long enough that the call was reversed.
nah the dumbest one gotta be the tim duncan when he was laughing with his teamates at the bench and ref gave him a tech. honetly they should just fine these refs for bs calls like these
@@xelaki9360 Joey Crawford was the official, and the NBA unloaded on him. I don't know if he was fined, but he had to do anger-management therapy to keep his job. Crawford was a good official with a hair-trigger temper, so the attitude adjustment worked out well for both parties.
@@roberthudson1959 David Stern fined and suspended him for the rest of the season.
@@roberthudson1959he was a terrible ref so many wrong calls
@@joshchambers5163The NBA is not MLB, so bad officials don't last, and they certainly don't work the playoffs. Crawford almost always was assigned to playoff games.
Absolutely correct. If he let go right after he dunked, he could have got injured. Horrible call.
It was the second pull of the rim that got him. He used it essentially as a catapult and pulled himself up and out towards the free throw line instead of swinging to the side out of the other players way.
i don't see why on that trajectory he grabbed it... and...ref didn't either i spose. Throw ball down, pull hand back/don't curl fingers. duh. I only dunked once in actual game but 100's of times practicing... for many....many years and not once did i pull a rim down. I did hit it w/ my wrist to mid forearm til it got real sore...a few times. I think marks on arm from shooting down are better than from shooting up.. lol. But this is a habit people develop. It only helps when someone is colliding with you usually OR you get so high you hit your head if you don't push off. never that issue by 5" ish about like this guy
@@HotSauceX05 I think that be difficult since it was a fast break and he was fast and he used that energy to the dunk
@@HotSauceX05 what r u fckin gay?
@@sounddoctorin I could dunk too and your comment is from someone that could just barely dunk, that’s why him grabbing the rim didn’t make sense to you. Or maybe you’re strictly a one handed dunker, I would hit my arm/wrist as well but switch to mostly two handed dunking in which you would never hit your wrist arm like that on the rim.
Illinois had a bad game in general, but that "T" killed any momentum Illinois could've gained to win that game. Egregious call.
this comment needs wayyy more likes, Houston goes on a crazy run following this to seal the game. Too sad
It wasn't egregious at all. Tell your player not to showboat. He's down 6 with 8 minutes to go, score the 2 and go play defense.
@@HockeyNationHD he wasn’t showboating😐
@@HockeyNationHD how is trying to be safe because his momentum on the dunk put him in a dangerous grab position “showboating” at all?
@@mbdg6810 He wasn't trying to be safe, he was hanging on the rim to showboat. You can see him showboat on the lead up to the dunk as well, and the hanging on the rim continued it. If you don't want people to think you're showboating by hanging on the rim after the dunk, here's a suggestion, don't obviously showboat during the dunk before that.
I broke my arm for letting go of the rim accidentally on a play like that. Hands slipped and landed on my side directly on top of my arm.
Just saw one the other day at our state's high school tournament semi-finals. Team leading by 10 as the clock runs out and the team begins to celebrate going to the state championship game, Referee Barney Fife tagged them with a T with :00.3 on the clock for leaving the bench. The kicker being that all photos and videos showed the team still behind the sideline as the backboard light went off.
I like how hanging on the rim (without yelling/looking at someone btw) is a technical but players can showboat and scream at and taunt their opponents and opposing fans (looking at you Arizona) and its all good, no problems.
I've seen LeBron write an autobiography while hanging on the rim and it never gets called. 😆
yeah but you’re allowed to do that in the NBA
@@benjaminrei1319 that's why we watch pro sports
@@benjaminrei1319 you're not allowed to do it
Lebron plays in NBA this is college basketball different league different rules but in this case a ridiculous call
@@demoo9285 This is college basketball
I’m a big fan of sumo wrestling. SO fun to watch. Anyways, their referee, called the Gyoji, will actually get reprimanded or fined if he makes to many bad calls on who won or lost the fight. I don’t understand why we can’t do the same for American refs in all sports as well. There is a lot of honor to that.
he should be forced to have final match against winner
Knowing japanese sports, the yakuza are always involved, so the refs need to be at their best
That's what happens on paper. But the reality is the higher level gyoji are just promoted for the sake of promotion, and the lower level ones are reprimanded for literally anything.
Do you remember the "epic anime gyoji" with the raspy voice? Once he made it to Juryo and more people started noticing him, he was reprimanded, forced to tone it down, and was demoted back to Makushita anyway. Meanwhile, the top gyoji won't have mono-ii called if it's too close, because the elders don't want to risk him being wrong.
Ref who has never dunked a ball in his life doesn't understand the physics of a flying man at full speed and clinging onto a hoops does.
Iowa's Keegan Murray took a 3 to tie the game with very short time left in their tournament loss, and was blatantly hit on the arm as he shot, resulting in an airball way short, sealing the game. The ref was standing right there looking straight at it. A dozen replays showed the obvious foul. The tourney has to keep a Cinderella around for at least a couple of games, I guess.
How is that relevant?
According to Newton's first law of motion, RJ Melendez maintains his state of constant speed unless acted upon by an external force (the basket). To avoid being thrown forward, Melendez tries to grasp a part of the rim to hold him back.
Newton's First Law of Motion (Law of Inertia)
Clearly you failed Physics 101 = Melendez doesn't grab on to the rim and he lands like every other person that has dunked a ball since 1962.
@@Maxbps88 “Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.” “Sooner or later you are going to have to face the fact that you're a moron.”
@@Maxbps88 he doesn’t grab the rim?
@@Maxbps88 maybe, but he was running fast. You can't possibly stop your momentum with a regular landing. He'd go flying into the crowd
@@Maxbps88 what ?
Thats a double T for that ref 🤣
There no way he actually got T’d up for that, takes the phrase “you need glasses ref” to a whole nother level
The refs didn’t need glasses, what they needed was common sense to apply rules on a case by case basis. Hanging on the rim is a violation, but anyone with a brain could see that it wasn’t to showboat, it’s so the person could land safely on their feet.
I would love to see a referee press conference so they can ask all the questions we want to hear after the game
corruption in basketball is off the charts .we have technology now that needs to eliminate this. Instant replay and call reversals need to implemented asap before the game get compromised anymore. I realize a lot of people are against it but if you dig into it it is because they are probably profiting from the human error or corruption factor.
This isn't corruption. Get a dictionary.
@@ngc-fo5te I’m being sarcastic genius.
Even without the injury argument just let the guy have fun in a basketball game smh
no, hanging is veri disrespekful for kids.
@@smashthestateX in NBA they do I see it
@@smashthestateXhow? Can't fix stupid
@@smashthestateX disrespectful for little kids like you
It wasn't even "fun". You can see he was looking down worried about where he was gonna land. It was practical.
You know how you make sure refs never do this shit again, refuse to take the free throw as the opposing team
When the whole sport is based around drawing foul calls from the opposition, it creates the mentality that any call against the opposition is good and to be exploited. That’s why if the kid missed the free throw on purpose out of principle, he’d get benched.
@@kh2freek i feel that if a player does that (with the blessing of the coach/team), it will generate quite a fair bit of good publicity for the player and team.
Then again, i agree with what you said and i do not see it happening.
Or intentionally miss it
That doesn't happen. It's not the other team's job to make judgements on the quality of calls. It's their job to shoot the ball if given a free throw.
If you ask anyone on that team to miss on purpose because "there was a bad call", they will immediately rattle off 5-10 "bad calls" in the other team's favor and tell you that this one doesn't even come close to making up for it.
It’s a close game in the NCAA tournament, so I understand. But if I’m the player I’d definitely consider going up and just blatantly missing on purpose. Like chuck the ball with one arm at the backboard. If the ref T’s me up, then I expect the other team to do the same
This got me so mad when it happened, if the dude lets go any sooner he’s landing straight on his head. Not to mention Illinois was going on a run, and it completely killed all momentum all because the ref made it about him.
The second pull of the rim is was got him. He pulled up and out on the rim instead of the side
He could’ve just dunked without grabbing the rim
@@sharpieman2035 would of still been high chance of injury off of it. His momentum was going so fast forward and he jumped high enough. His arms likely hit back board, maybe head, and if arms are hit would push his momentum slightly backwards on the top, while the momentum is also enough to get him to the crowd. Risking not only himself but people in the crowd.
@@HotSauceX05 could you elaborate a bit more for me on the second pull part
That's precisely the reason why dunks like that are discouraged in the NCAA ( Amateur basketball ).
Time enough for showing off when you get to the pros.
Can't wait when robots will replace referees in every single sport.
"I don't know why we should study physics in school, I'm going to be a referee, not a scientist..."
I get that reffing is a difficult job, and nobody in their right mind would ever expect them to be perfect. They are human after all. That being said, it's high time leagues started fining refs who make blatantly unnecessary and objectively bad, potentially game changing calls such as this one. There simply was no reason for this Tech, and the ref should at the very least have to explain himself.
1000%
@@Jonathan-A.C. Sadly, it's the other way round. They are there to uphold the rules. The rules say it's a tech, so if they don't uphold it, they'll have to explain it to the ruling body.
Stuff like this shows that the rules are made to fit all sizes. At the lower level, hanging on the rim can damage it, and replacing aint cheap. At high level, money is enough, baskets are high enough quality to not damage, so there is no impact. The rules should accomodate the playing field, *and vice versa*.
As a ref myself, there are a lot of places where there is insufficient room behind the endline. Simple additional rule: if you so much as lightly push a player going up, it's a flagrant. I dont' want people smashing headfirst into concrete, and I'm not going to wait for it to call it.
Similarly, if I know the basket is strong enough (and really, it should be), I don't care how hard they hang on the rim. Except during warmup. I've had games canceled because someone went overboard during warmup. Cool bro, do that in the game. Now we get to go home early, and home team gets a regulatory loss. It's a bit of courtesy. I don't go in your house trying to break shit.
@@cptfwiffo
Nah, many refs, *cough* Joey Crawford *cough*, make absolutely asinine calls for literally no feasible reason. These aren’t just cases of them adhering to bad rules, it’s them doing bad jobs.
@@Jonathan-A.C. not refuting that (cough chrispaul cough) ;)
@@cptfwiffo
I mean kinda CP3, although I’d say the ref issue is more one which isn’t solved enough
I agree I watched it live and my dad goes ‘he’s going to fall if he doesn’t do that’
Wow that's a horrible call
Imma get a tech for SWINGING on the ref!! And thats on me!!
Ref needed the light on him for a minute he knows he messed up
Refs having absolutely zero accountability is a major problem. Especially in basketball.
Qualified Immunity just like porky pig
He literally is gonna get injured if he doesn’t swing back. Tell me you could never dunk without telling me you could never dunk. Smh
This is the equivalent of a linebacker getting called for roughing the passer after making contact right before the QB released the ball. Either play the sport and get a feel for how athletes bodies react in certain situations. Or take a class in physics to understand the laws of motion.
He never had to hold on to the rim in the first place . Have you never seen anyone dunk without hanging?
@@JasonH17 stop the PC!
@@JasonH17 If you dunk when someone is right behind you, its the safest thing to hang on to the rim so you dont get undercut. Look at Pat McCaw getting injured by Vince Carter a few years ago. Wouldve been completely avoided if he decided to hang for a bit
@@deiondre0 looked it up and if you think these two things are the same thing I can't help you. No excuse for this player to hang the more I look at it the more I would have called it too. I can line up 10 thousand fast break dunks that they didn't have to hang. Especially when the defender isn't making a play on the ball. Lets just be real for a second you feel like there is nothing wrong with it you can't offer an intelligent argument as to how this doesn't break the rule. Your argument is with the rule not the enforcement. 0 reason for this guy to hang period.
How would he know that a defender is not under him if his back is turned? Bad call.
Shaq would’ve just tore the whole fkn thing down and ruined the game, cuz then you don’t have to look back and hurt anyones feelings so, that’s what he should’ve done, duh 🙄
and even if someone was behind him, then guess what? don't go behind someone hanging on the rim
@@geepadoodle yeh very good solution i can tell that your a thinking man
If he had tried to look behind him instead of doiing that extra pullup swing, then the T probbly would not have been called.
Tim Duncan technical was worst, he got T’d for laughing on the bench…. even worse, he got ejected for continuing to laugh.
He didn't need to grab the rim as he dunked it. So he could have removed all doubt by not doing that...
Never saw the following grab/swing on the rim:
Chamberlain, Erving, Thompson, Hawkins, Jordan, Wilkins, Kemp, Worthy, Jabbar……weird huh?
I lost the under by 1 point… I will never forget this game
Glad you had a memorable experience.
This is the equivalent of a linebacker getting called for roughing the passer after making contact right before the QB released the ball. Either play the sport and get a feel for how athletes bodies react in certain situations. Or take a class in physics to understand the laws of motion.
Sadly it happens in the nfl now
Once again, refs who've never played the game, with no idea of the mechanics or physics of being in a body in motion. I guess the closest they've ever been to the game is running up and down the court next to the guys actually playing the game.
Almost every ref has played the game.
@@highnrising they’ve probably never dunked though 😂
@@highnrisinglol shooting around at lunchtime is not playing
Player: Breathes
Refs: FLAGRANT 2.
"She said 'uh-uh' and I said 'why uh-uh?' and she gave me the tech" has to be up there
Same thing happened with Devo Davis (Arkansas) in last years tournament
So basically he needed to hang on the rim otherwise he would have fallen on another player. Yet the refs called a tech for hanging on the rim
He got called this year for slapping the backboard while he was hanging from the rim. I didn't see the slap at first and was screaming at the TV when they T'd him up. Then I screamed at him for doing it lol. Maybe the Auburn game?
We've seen what happens when people with authority aren't held accountable. NBA needs to evaluate how referees take responsibility for incorrect calls.
This isn't the NBA though.... It's the NCAA that sanctions these college games. Not only that, what's supposed to be THE TOP ECHELON of college basketball
Jokes aside, this pisses me off soooooo much. He was just trying to NOT HURT HIMSELF
My father-in-law coached basketball for years and I remember him telling me that many of the folks that become refs do so in order to experience authority that they desire, but lack in their regular lives.
Name a career you can mess up 3 or 4 times a day and keep your career for 25 years 😅
Yet another ref who has never dunked a basketball calling a technical foul because they have no conception of what it’s like to dunk a basketball.
But they do have a concept about what grabbing the rim and showboating is, which is what the T was called for.
@@vanhattfield8292
The point is that they don’t have a concept of the difference between “hanging on the rim in order to land safely due to momentum and people passing underneath,” and “grabbing the rim and showboating.”
In order to assign the intent of the latter, a ref would have to eliminate the former, which is made FAR more difficult if one has never dunked a basketball on a fast break with defenders trailing. The fact that you also dismiss a legitimate reason for hanging on the rim, out of hand, is a really solid indicator that you’ve never done so either and a perfect illustration of the point.
@@briley2177 A problem with what you say is that if they are doing it "to land safely", looking down to insure that they can do so is part of that process. When the person who dunked is looking out at the crowd and smiling and never looks down to insure the landing area is clear, it eliminates that as an excuse for hanging on the rim from the argument, and that is what occurred in this video.
@@vanhattfield8292
BS… he swung back, not back and forth, just back… and turned his head as he did so. That process is less than one second long. The whole drunk, from elevation to landing, was less than three seconds long. You have no idea what dunking feels like, which is why you are dissecting this like the Zepruder Film and pretending that you can tell where he was looking, and what his facial expressions tell you about his intentions (both of which, by the way, the trailing referee who blew the whistle couldn’t possibly have seen).
Additionally, nobody who has ever dunked a basketball looks “down” at the ground to see exactly where they’re gonna land, they assume the court is just as flat as it was the last time they were standing on it… you look to see where people are to make sure you aren’t gonna land on somebody, which doesn’t entail “looking down.” And what the hell does smiling have to do with anything? You can’t really be suggesting that smiling after dunking a basketball is “showboating?” You are, aren’t you? You’re assuming that if a guy smiles and looks at the crowd for half a second, before swinging back towards the court in the next half-second, that guy did something unsportsmanlike… that’s a hot damn take that tells the whole world that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are proving my exact point for me.
@@briley2177 The video is pretty clear that he didn't look down, you can babble on and on and that doesn't change that. 😂
That goofiness you are sputteing at the end, trying to sway the focus from the video that clearly shows he doesnt look down. He looks directly back atthe opposing crowd, then to his right at the crowd., pulling himself up using the rim as he does so. When they show it is slow motion, the announcer says something like "If he doesn't hold on to the rim he is going to hit his head" but the video at that same moment shows his head was already BELOW the backboard and the danger of hittinmg it only occurs as he pulls himself up after the ball was through and he is grasping the rim.
The only one making assumptions is you. I am stating what is shown in the video. The ref made the call, not me. If you attempt to use the argument that he held the rim because he thought he was being undercut or someone is below him, then looking dowen to make sure it is clear is part of the process to insure no one is there. Of course soomeone NOT concerned about that doesn't look down and that is why he got called for the T.
I don'y suggest that just "Smiling" when dunking is showboating, but that is not the onlything he did. He grabbed the rim, did an extra pull up while turning his head to the crowd and smiling. Again, that is why he got the T. If I am the ref, it's not something I am calling, but there is certainly enough there for a ref to call it if he decides to do so.
Somebody in the state I live in, a high school basketball player dunked it on a fast break and flexed at his bench and got called for a technical it was so dumb
I’ve seen this exact dunk happen with momentum just like that at my first basketball tryout day. Except the guy let go and broke his arm on the way down after landing arm and head first. That ref has never dunked in his life, dumb tec
Tell me you've never played basketball without telling me you've never played basketball.
I remember this being a huge turning point in that game.
😂😂 The dude just swung to get himself to land safely wtf is wrong with this world.
He wouldn't have had to swing to land safely if he had not hung on the rim in the first place.
@@bauerj3398if he didn’t do that he would’ve ended up in the stands
@@rorymclean1931 Nope. Not even remotely phsycially possible. Bigger jumpers than him have done it, and managed to stay 'out of the stands'.
@@bauerj3398 it’s not about how big your jump is it’s about how fast you are going. He at least would have run into a camera man or something.
Rasheed's tech for looking at referee. "He was looking at me, Steve!"
This is literally what happened to me in my last play in high school. Stole the ball at half court, ran down, dunk it and swung back and they popped me with a technical. Pretty stupid especially since we was down 30 but it was whatever.
Least you went out strong!
Tom Duncan got a tech for laughing while sitting on the bench. Man’s literally the calmest quietest player in NBA history….
That referee just proved he belongs in the NBA.
Not even exaggerating a little bit - the ref should have been suspended for this
Huge Illini fan here, and in a season with too many crapcalls to keep track of, that was up there with the worst of them. I still can't believe they T'd RJ up for that.
Bad on the player, he could’ve just dunked and let the momentum of his movement fling him into the crowd. Smh.
😂😂😂
It's fun when they go into the crowd tbh. Like when Shaq kissed the old lady
Melendez is nervous because he missed his appointment with ICE.
LMAO!
They should have called travelling anyway.
I know counting is hard but that was two steps boss
@@goaliegrizz8925The ball never touched the floor inside of the 3-point line. He took 3 steps to do that; he ain't Jordan.
This is what society has come to. Calling a technical foul on a dunk with no celebration or contact
Yeah, cuz "society". You really have your finger on the pulse of humanity there.
He isn't wrong
It is a dumb call! He had to hang on due to his momentum so he wouldn't get injured. Refs should have huddle for this.
No, he didn't. All he had to do was dunk the ball and come down. It was his grabbing the rim that caused the effect you are arguing.
@@Maxbps88 Either way, it's a stupid call bc him swinging on the goal doesn't affect the game at all
@@Maxbps88 He was going full speed and leaning forward to reach the basket. If he doesn't hang his momentum is taking him face first into the stanchion. The whole hanging on the rim being a T in college is nonsensical anyway. But this one was justified even within that stupid rule.
@@_maza_2443 Not at all true based on the facts = all he had to do was dunk the ball and land just like 98% of dunks since 1962.
Having to swing himself around was caused by hanging on the rim. You will see it soon.
@@Maxbps88 Like the reporter said, he was going at full speed and momentum plus with the possibility of making sure it will go in for sure since he could of messed up.
That's because the ref wanted Houston to win over Illinois.😡
True
That silly little ref couldn’t find a baby sitter for his kids so he decided to become one while he was at work instead.
This title lived up to the expectation
The refs should be fined!
The ref is right, the rules are wrong
@@isaact3794 Not sure you know what you are talking about. Because he was running so fast and dunking he had to slow his momentum or he would have injured himself. Go check out the NCAA rules and specifically Rule 4, Section 15, Article 3. It states that a player can hang on the rim to “prevent injury.” Once again the refs made a bad call. Educate yourself next time before you comment. 🤗
@@isaact3794 the...rules are right, because they are the official rules. How is not wanting to get injured a technical?
Terrible call. Absolutely terrible call
Ref should be fired. Ridiculous
That makes Pete Carrols call the second worst in sports history
Maybe he called the T to make up for the fact he didn't call the travel.
basketball removed that rule
To me it's even crazier that the other team didn't miss the free throw on purpose, disgraceful that the referees get away with stuff like this and players get fined tens of thousands. America for you.
I'd love to see that -- shoot the free throw half way to the rim or just toss it into the crowd in protest
it’s not an america problem, sports leagues around the world have shitty refs
Tru but American refs are the worst.
Joe Crawford was an idiot but even he wouldn't have done this in the NBA (or maybe he would have)... I know if this is my high school gym where there are walls maybe 6 feet behind each basket (best guess), if he lets go right away, he dies.
Then it's amazing that Julius Erving is still alive.
His slam dunks make this kid look like a punk and he never hung from the rim after doing his thing.
@@highnrising this kid isn't even showboating the dunk. Because it was a breakaway dunk, his momentum is carrying him off the rim...he has to swing himself back to fight it. That in no way is showboating. Even Gene Steratore frowned on that tech. You cannot be that anal of a ref on a potential momentum swinger when a team is trying to get back into the game. And I've seen Dr. J's dunks...he was already down low to start his jumps and that's why he was never in that vulnerable of a position.
@@highnrising bad take
If Joe Crawford was the ref.....I guarantee this was fucked up!!!! His brother Jerry has been fucking up MLB games or 30 years.....it's a family business!!!!! He's probably best friends with Angel Hernandez!!!!!! Geez.....He is just the worst!!!
Bad bad call
The players like : it’s only game why you have to be mad
7 months later Jayson Tatum gets a Technical Foul in a game against OKC for clapping his hands 😂😂😂
Put it in the context of why he was clapping and who he was starring down at the time.
Tim Duncan : *Laughs in technical foul.*
Refs don’t understand dunking because they can’t dunk when you are hanging on the rim if you let go right away you are probably going to fall awkwardly if you hang on a little long you fall straight down
These refs have never dunked a day in their lives so they can't possibly understand the risks that this young man took going above the rim lol
If you let go of the rim you can sprain your ankle
The most ridiculous technical foul is probably Tim Duncan got called due to “smile” on the bench. 😂
That ref is trying out for a NBA contract
From a guy who has dunked numerous times in basketball games and has never "hung" on the rim (during a game, at least): that call was ridiculous.
There are no dumb technical fouls.....
Only dumb refs that call technical fouls!
Nothing tops Tim Duncan getting ejected for laughing on the bench. From that moment, he decided to keep his face emotionless.
This is why college basketball needs serious revision. It’s tough to watch for basketball fans. Too many refs with a “you’re a kid I’m an adult” mindset. Too many refs making the game about themselves
NBA: Hire that ref!
That Ref is looking back at this and sighing, and glad most don't know or remember his name
Nah yall forgetting about the tech Tim Duncan got for laughing ON THE BENCH
The ref needs to go and study physics
The ref doesn’t understand the physics of dunking
How do people watch basketball when calls like this are made. It’s so infuriating that it basically makes the game unwatchable
The ref who blows that whistle is still upset he could never get the rim in gym class
It's way more dangerous to not hang on the rim theree
The refs wanted to save the rim's life.
Reggie deserves the T for contradicting the ref's call more than that young man .😂