Thank you for all the comments. I'm not surprised that its misunderstood by some people as it's esoteric knowledge. But knowledge overcomes ignorance and my motivation was to spread the knowledge. It felt like I really had to bring it out now. So whatever, Let It Be.
Thank you for your comment. No disrespect, and no obligation to reply. In your experience, does studying and spreading this "knowledge" accord with the preceipts laid out in the Kalama Sutta?
Hi Naomi It is a pleasant thing that you engage with the comments. I wish that more of Steve's guests did likewise. The insights you provide into the cosmology of Tibetan Buddhism are very helpful in understanding their culture. Speaking as a person not of that culture and not having embraced their World view I look at the similarities in the character of their outlook with so many of the other, competing, views. Every tradition, it seems, is waiting upon some major personage to arrive.... Christians expect the second coming of Jesus, Islam awaits the Mahdi, Judaism awaits the Messiah and Buddhism awaits Maitreya. Of course, they cannot all be correct.... somebody is going to be disappointed. There is a common denominator though... all of these traditions, ultimately, are the product of the human mind. From this perspective I am inclined to attribute the value as an insight into the deeper aspects of the our subconscious. I think we formulate these various World views as a way of coping with our deepest fears.
@@marcuszerbini5555 it could be. That's one explanation which attributes that everything we perceive is a projection of our mind.We create our own reality according to the Buddha . But i wasnt thinking along those lines but I outlined the Battle of Shambhalla. For me it's knowledge which overcomes ignorance and whoever understands it will be enriched in some way
@naomilevine2480 a short version, a more detailed one is available: The Kalama Sutta states (Pali expression in parentheses): Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava), nor upon tradition (paramparā), nor upon rumor (itikirā), nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna) nor upon surmise (takka-hetu), nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu), nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka), nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā), nor upon another’s seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya), nor upon the consideration, The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū) Kalamas, when you yourselves know: “These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,” enter on and abide in them.’
The predictions are certainly fascinating and feel right on point. I love that Steve finishes reminding us that the intrinsic fear of our immortality is at the heart of all apocalypse stories.
What a joy to listen to Naomi! I too was at kalachakra in Toronto with Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche. Rudolf Steiner states the Kali Yuga started around 3000BC at the death of Krishna, and he, HPBlavatsky, Swami Yogananda, think we passed some turning point in late 1800s in which an age of spiritual light is lifting us (those ready, or qualified) up in higher consciousness. The Shamballa Bodhisattva Warriors are appearing. The present earth troubles reflect this inner war on the astral soul levels of samsara. It’s a big story and totally mirror reality on a psychic, psychological, emotional, and even apocalyptic level. Robert Thurman too, like Trungpa, has when in right mood, a good Shamballa apocalypso dance and telling. Great nourishment and good news for the Soul! Thanks, robert thibodeau
To me, this particular apocalyptic vision is striking because Buddhism is such a complex, beautiful, and transcendent religion. Just given how intelligent and powerful some of the Buddhist saints of old were...I'm absolutely scared. I don't think letting ourselves be scared...that is, letting ourselves believe this apocalyptic vision...is something we have to be embarrassed about either.
In Sri Yukteswar's 'The Holy Science' he breaks down the four yuga's and explains how there was a miscalculation in recent times, and that we are actually leaving the Kali Yuga.
Don't you think that these events described in the Kalachakra Tantra already happened with the muslim invasions of India ? Historically , the Kalachakra Tantra was describing the reality of that time and the Kalachakra was probably created in Nalanda, and Naropa had a great part in it . And they were aware of and incorporated the Abrahamic religions apocalyptic mythos and turned it against the invaders, a kind of "counter magic" . And incorporated also Hindu doctrines like Samkhya and Kashmir Shaivism. A Hindu-Buddhist apocalyptic mythos. And as in all apocalyptic mythos the King / Messiah is always returning., whenever chaos and evil is on the rise . Well, that's my take on it .
The Kalachakra was not created in Nalanda nor did Naropa have any part in it, in my understanding. The Vajrayana comes through vision. It 'began' with the Buddha turning himself into the deity at the centre of the Mandala and giving the empowerment to King Suchanda. Its origins are mystical. The monks were dismissed. They didn't belong there. It was happening in another dimension of reality.
@@naomilevine2480 there's a Kalachakra scholar , John Newman , who says that , the influence from Nalanda and Naropa( the parallel of the the 6 yogas of Naraopa and the 6 yogas of the Kalachakra, for example ) in the origins of the Kalachakra. From a historical point of view , this makes more sense to me. I find it curious that in the Tibetan Buddhist scholarship there's still this difficulty to separate the historical facts from the myths , like they did in the Bíble studies separating the historical Jesus ftom the mythical Christ . Perhaps bacause many Buddhist scholars are also practioners ,the so called "scholar practioner" . The problem is where the person puts his/her loyalty , to the lineage mythos or to the historical/ archeological facts . I prefer the facts . But i recognize the power of the myth , as Joseph Campbell would say. That's just my opinion, anyway. Not " the truth" .
She's talking about changes, not the "end of the world". Prophecies are like vegetables at the market: some are vital (true), some are rotten (false) and some are in between. I have confidence in Guru Rinpoche and the Tantras
I think it’s right that Samsara and Nirvana exist at and in the same time and space, it’s a question of having a discerning discriminating mind, two eyes of relative and ultimate mind, common sense and a sense of humor. The myth reality of Shamballa is totally true, and one does as in chess, need to rise above the checkerboard of black and white squares of Alan Watts duality- aha! We need more ‘aha!’, that we do.
ruclips.net/video/iLv-2PHYsiE/видео.htmlsi=dHyGkaA5hEWoQEKm French tv resume yesterday night. This world seems effectively multidimensional. We are here now, but it seams we don’t live exactly the same reality.
❤i love listening to naomi thanx steve......be here now do no harm help others be still close eyes listen to your breathing......repeat OM MANI PEME HUNG.
You should also check out Bhibu Dev Misra's interpretation of the Yuga Cycle period. I feel that is a better interpretation than the Puranas. The Buddha came at that start of the current Kali Yuga. We are just about reaching the end of the current Kali Yuga
@@88Padma Just because we (lamas included) have no way of knowing about what reality is, doesn't mean that escaping into fantasy is the answer. This speaker, introduced as a researcher, basically reads ancient literary texts and takes them as statements of fact. You may call it research. I call it delusion.
If you follow my explanation of cosmology and multi dimensional reality, its meant to expand our scientifically attuned Western mindset and allow for esoteric knowledge to penetrate.
This woman is full of superstitions and fantastical stories that she seems to believe without any question. After half an hour of listening I had to shut it off. No wisdom here, just blind faith.
Listening to multiple episodes with this guest, a lesson from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche seems appropriate: "In Tibet, new leather skins are put in the sun and rubbed with butter to make them softer. The beginning practitioner is like the new skin, tough and hard with narrow views and conceptual rigidity. The teaching (dharma) is like the butter, rubbed in through practice, and the sun is like direct experience. When both are applied, the practitioner becomes soft and flexible. But butter is also stored in leather bags. When butter is left in a bag for some years, the leather of the bag becomes hard as wood, and no amount of new butter can soften it. Someone who spends many years studying the teachings, intellectualizing a great deal with little experience of practice, is like that hardened leather. The teachings can soften the hard skin of ignorance and conditioning, but when they are stored in the intellect and not rubbed into the practitioner with practice and warmed with direct experience, that person may become rigid and hard in their intellectual understanding. We must be careful not to store up the teachings as only conceptual understanding lest that understanding become a block to wisdom. The teachings are not ideas to be collected but a path to be followed."
If you'd ike to know my spiritual cv, I can only say that I've been a devotee since I met the 16th Karmapa in 1976. Lived at Tai Situ Rinpoche's monastery doing retreats for 5 years.
@@naomilevine2480 attainment > attendance, lineage, etc., or any other privilege doesn't inform on development, it can help, but the ability to do the "work" is solely on the individual, regardless of their position. Hence it would be better to discuss insight vs repeat and quoting texts, particularly in view of the Kalama Suta teachings.
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Thank you for all the comments. I'm not surprised that its misunderstood by some people as it's esoteric knowledge. But knowledge overcomes ignorance and my motivation was to spread the knowledge. It felt like I really had to bring it out now. So whatever, Let It Be.
Thank you for your comment. No disrespect, and no obligation to reply.
In your experience, does studying and spreading this "knowledge" accord with the preceipts laid out in the Kalama Sutta?
Hi Naomi
It is a pleasant thing that you engage with the comments. I wish that more of Steve's guests did likewise. The insights you provide into the cosmology of Tibetan Buddhism are very helpful in understanding their culture.
Speaking as a person not of that culture and not having embraced their World view I look at the similarities in the character of their outlook with so many of the other, competing, views. Every tradition, it seems, is waiting upon some major personage to arrive.... Christians expect the second coming of Jesus, Islam awaits the Mahdi, Judaism awaits the Messiah and Buddhism awaits Maitreya. Of course, they cannot all be correct.... somebody is going to be disappointed.
There is a common denominator though... all of these traditions, ultimately, are the product of the human mind. From this perspective I am inclined to attribute the value as an insight into the deeper aspects of the our subconscious. I think we formulate these various World views as a way of coping with our deepest fears.
@@marcuszerbini5555 it could be. That's one explanation which attributes that everything we perceive is a projection of our mind.We create our own reality according to the Buddha . But i wasnt thinking along those lines but I outlined the Battle of Shambhalla. For me it's knowledge which overcomes ignorance and whoever understands it will be enriched in some way
@@inthespirit what are these precepts?
@naomilevine2480 a short version, a more detailed one is available:
The Kalama Sutta states (Pali expression in parentheses):
Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava),
nor upon tradition (paramparā),
nor upon rumor (itikirā),
nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna)
nor upon surmise (takka-hetu),
nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu),
nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka),
nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā),
nor upon another’s seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya),
nor upon the consideration, The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)
Kalamas, when you yourselves know: “These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,” enter on and abide in them.’
The predictions are certainly fascinating and feel right on point. I love that Steve finishes reminding us that the intrinsic fear of our immortality is at the heart of all apocalypse stories.
If you know Naomi personally, then you know she actually is a rock star. Rock n roll.
Thank you, Naomi and Steve. ❤
What a joy to listen to Naomi! I too was at kalachakra in Toronto with Jamgon Kongtrul Rinpoche. Rudolf Steiner states the Kali Yuga started around 3000BC at the death of Krishna, and he, HPBlavatsky, Swami Yogananda, think we passed some turning point in late 1800s in which an age of spiritual light is lifting us (those ready, or qualified) up in higher consciousness. The Shamballa Bodhisattva Warriors are appearing. The present earth troubles reflect this inner war on the astral soul levels of samsara. It’s a big story and totally mirror reality on a psychic, psychological, emotional, and even apocalyptic level. Robert Thurman too, like Trungpa, has when in right mood, a good Shamballa apocalypso dance and telling. Great nourishment and good news for the Soul! Thanks,
robert thibodeau
More Naomi Levine, please!
And more Khandro Kunzang Dechen Chodron, please!
And more Mattias Daly!
And Justin Von Bujdoss!
Thank you, Steve!
Yes more khandro kunzang
Great interview, really interesting!!
To me, this particular apocalyptic vision is striking because Buddhism is such a complex, beautiful, and transcendent religion.
Just given how intelligent and powerful some of the Buddhist saints of old were...I'm absolutely scared. I don't think letting ourselves be scared...that is, letting ourselves believe this apocalyptic vision...is something we have to be embarrassed about either.
Another episode of “Keeping Up With the Karmapas”; My favorite!
In Sri Yukteswar's 'The Holy Science' he breaks down the four yuga's and explains how there was a miscalculation in recent times, and that we are actually leaving the Kali Yuga.
Yes. Yogananda lineage guru.
Yukteswar's only book!
This was amazing
Thank you
Don't you think that these events described in the Kalachakra Tantra already happened with the muslim invasions of India ? Historically , the Kalachakra Tantra was describing the reality of that time and the Kalachakra was probably created in Nalanda, and Naropa had a great part in it . And they were aware of and incorporated the Abrahamic religions apocalyptic mythos and turned it against the invaders, a kind of "counter magic" . And incorporated also Hindu doctrines like Samkhya and Kashmir Shaivism. A Hindu-Buddhist apocalyptic mythos. And as in all apocalyptic mythos the King / Messiah is always returning., whenever chaos and evil is on the rise . Well, that's my take on it .
could be!
The Kalachakra was not created in Nalanda nor did Naropa have any part in it, in my understanding. The Vajrayana comes through vision. It 'began' with the Buddha turning himself into the deity at the centre of the Mandala and giving the empowerment to King Suchanda. Its origins are mystical. The monks were dismissed. They didn't belong there. It was happening in another dimension of reality.
@@naomilevine2480 there's a Kalachakra scholar , John Newman , who says that , the influence from Nalanda and Naropa( the parallel of the the 6 yogas of Naraopa and the 6 yogas of the Kalachakra, for example ) in the origins of the Kalachakra. From a historical point of view , this makes more sense to me. I find it curious that in the Tibetan Buddhist scholarship there's still this difficulty to separate the historical facts from the myths , like they did in the Bíble studies separating the historical Jesus ftom the mythical Christ . Perhaps bacause many Buddhist scholars are also practioners ,the so called "scholar practioner" . The problem is where the person puts his/her loyalty , to the lineage mythos or to the historical/ archeological facts . I prefer the facts . But i recognize the power of the myth , as Joseph Campbell would say. That's just my opinion, anyway. Not " the truth" .
She's talking about changes, not the "end of the world". Prophecies are like vegetables at the market: some are vital (true), some are rotten (false) and some are in between. I have confidence in Guru Rinpoche and the Tantras
I think it’s right that Samsara and Nirvana exist at and in the same time and space, it’s a question of having a discerning discriminating mind, two eyes of relative and ultimate mind, common sense and a sense of humor. The myth reality of Shamballa is totally true, and one does as in chess, need to rise above the checkerboard of black and white squares of Alan Watts duality- aha! We need more ‘aha!’, that we do.
Pandemics, issues with food becoming inedible, wars , etc.
Funny how the morning this releases here in San Francisco I get woken up to an earthquake as the fires down LA resemble a literal apocalypse.
ruclips.net/video/iLv-2PHYsiE/видео.htmlsi=dHyGkaA5hEWoQEKm
French tv resume yesterday night.
This world seems effectively multidimensional. We are here now, but it seams we don’t live exactly the same reality.
apocalypse just means revelation
the talking mind is not what you seek
Given the influence of Islam on the western world, I wonder whether the anti-Islamic element of the Shambhala propecies may be referring to this.
It's not anti Islamic to say that the Islamic extremists are the barbarians. Predictions are not biased in that way.
There's nothing anti Islamic here. It's a prophecy. You're conflating the current times of political correctness with the prophecy.
❤i love listening to naomi thanx steve......be here now do no harm help others be still close eyes listen to your breathing......repeat OM MANI PEME HUNG.
You should also check out Bhibu Dev Misra's interpretation of the Yuga Cycle period. I feel that is a better interpretation than the Puranas. The Buddha came at that start of the current Kali Yuga. We are just about reaching the end of the current Kali Yuga
@@navneetnair I have to say that from my resources and every Lama I've talked to, it's gonna get a whole lot darker
I'm sorry, but how is this research? A bunch of fantastic stories, like Christian theology with its tales of heaven, hell and other superstitions.
How is reality then ? Is nihilism reality ? Or eternalism ? How do you know these stories are fantasies ?
How is reality then ? Is nihilism reality ? Or eternalism ? How do you know these stories are fantasies 😀 ? Kindly asked
@@88Padma Just because we (lamas included) have no way of knowing about what reality is, doesn't mean that escaping into fantasy is the answer.
This speaker, introduced as a researcher, basically reads ancient literary texts and takes them as statements of fact. You may call it research. I call it delusion.
I call it prophecy.
If you follow my explanation of cosmology and multi dimensional reality, its meant to expand our scientifically attuned Western mindset and allow for esoteric knowledge to penetrate.
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This woman is full of superstitions and fantastical stories that she seems to believe without any question. After half an hour of listening I had to shut it off. No wisdom here, just blind faith.
Perhaps you're just not ready for wisdom.
Listening to multiple episodes with this guest, a lesson from Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche seems appropriate:
"In Tibet, new leather skins are put in the sun and rubbed with butter to make them softer. The beginning practitioner is like the new skin, tough and hard with narrow views and conceptual rigidity. The teaching (dharma) is like the butter, rubbed in through practice, and the sun is like direct experience. When both are applied, the practitioner becomes soft and flexible. But butter is also stored in leather bags. When butter is left in a bag for some years, the leather of the bag becomes hard as wood, and no amount of new butter can soften it. Someone who spends many years studying the teachings, intellectualizing a great deal with little experience of practice, is like that hardened leather. The teachings can soften the hard skin of ignorance and conditioning, but when they are stored in the intellect and not rubbed into the practitioner with practice and warmed with direct experience, that person may become rigid and hard in their intellectual understanding. We must be careful not to store up the teachings as only conceptual understanding lest that understanding become a block to wisdom. The teachings are not ideas to be collected but a path to be followed."
I don't think that applies to Naomi
@88Padma reading and quoting texts isn't insight, nor anything gained from direct experience.
If you'd ike to know my spiritual cv, I can only say that I've been a devotee since I met the 16th Karmapa in 1976. Lived at Tai Situ Rinpoche's monastery doing retreats for 5 years.
@@naomilevine2480 attainment > attendance, lineage, etc., or any other privilege doesn't inform on development, it can help, but the ability to do the "work" is solely on the individual, regardless of their position. Hence it would be better to discuss insight vs repeat and quoting texts, particularly in view of the Kalama Suta teachings.
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