LIAN LI LANCOOL 205 Mesh Review: Is it Worth the Extra Cost?

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  • Опубликовано: 23 янв 2025

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  • @jimbopcbuilds
    @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +9

    Quite a few of you have commented that the 205 Mesh has come down in price. This is nice as the original price tag was a little high for me. At a lower price this is a great and worth the step up from the 205 vanilla and competes more favorably with the 215 Mesh.

    • @NekoSauce
      @NekoSauce 5 месяцев назад +1

      When you made the video computer part prices were higher than pigeon p*ss*

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  5 месяцев назад

      @@NekoSauce I reviewed that the week before 🙂

  • @FromBKI
    @FromBKI 3 года назад +4

    Just bought this 205 mesh,..what attracted me is the cut out for the front intake fans which is meant for 140mm, so no 120mm cut outs partially blocking the airflow which is perfect,..

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      A few people have mentioned that. I agree it's a nice feature. You'll have to let me now how your build goes.

  • @c.carrillo7813
    @c.carrillo7813 2 года назад +2

    Excellent review, thank you for convincing me that what I have is perfectly fine. Started to look for an excuse to get a new case but there is absolutely no need. Appreciate your video!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Glad it was helpful. What made you think you wanted to change?

  • @Mostasteless8805
    @Mostasteless8805 3 года назад +4

    I just Picked up the Titan One pc o11d. bitspower lian li and microcenter all came together. i love LIAN LI. UPDATE - Great Video keep up the good work and thanks

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      LIAN LI just seem to be crushing at all ends of the market right now. They're smaller cases are really good as well, and thank you :)

    • @Mostasteless8805
      @Mostasteless8805 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds ur welcome ☺️

  • @FillippoCallippo
    @FillippoCallippo Месяц назад +1

    Great review! Love this guy!

  • @davidharrison8021
    @davidharrison8021 3 года назад +5

    I have this case and it's fantastic. The airflow is awesome and the RGB fans look great!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      It costs less now than it’s first release which makes it pretty good value as well.

    • @carlsonloh
      @carlsonloh 3 года назад +1

      Hey, I just bought the 205M, and my rear fan has a Loud ticking noise. Are you facing this issue?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      @@carlsonloh I didn't have that with mine. It's very possible that the fan is defective, The baring may be broken or rubbing. I'd take the case back if you can or see if you can simply RMA the fan.

    • @camilledegilcemile8270
      @camilledegilcemile8270 Год назад

      is there front dust filter that you can remove it and clean?

  • @boosteddaily1294
    @boosteddaily1294 2 года назад +2

    I like your breakdowns. Your details about the ins and outs of the case are very useful.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      Excellent. I'm glad it was helpful.

  • @johndevadhas4787
    @johndevadhas4787 3 года назад +2

    Very underrated channel, wish you success!

  • @Zelphion
    @Zelphion 3 года назад +5

    Awesome video mate, helped me choose what case to buy. Gonna pick one up tonight!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Thank you kindly. Let us know how you find building in it.

  • @Kababalax
    @Kababalax 3 года назад +5

    Helped a lot mate! Only video review I could find on it. Cheers!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Excellent! glad it helped. I don't know why nobody else has reviewed it tbh.

  • @flynn7579
    @flynn7579 3 года назад +4

    Great review jimbo, I ended up going with a Corsair 4000d but this was another option I was looking at. Many thanks and love seeing the channel grow 👍

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Thank you :) How are you finding the 4000d? It's a case that very much interests me but I've held off reviewing it as it's been covered by so many others.

    • @flynn7579
      @flynn7579 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds it’s a nice case. Very easy to build in. However the quality is a bit lacking and I wish they didn’t cheap out on certain parts. Especially all the outside plastic bits. Definitely makes it look and feel a bit cheaper than what it’s worth

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Really. It's difficult to tell that from watching videos on it. Good to know thank you. The cable management looks good though?

    • @flynn7579
      @flynn7579 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds cable management is pretty great!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      @@flynn7579 Excellent. From what I've seen it looks to be but always nice to hear it from somebody that has actually been through it.

  • @Eduelmago.
    @Eduelmago. 2 года назад +1

    I have a question i have this case, is there a way that when i power on the pc the rgb don't start? i like the RGB off.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      If memory serves that one if the options if you cycle through pressing the RGB control button on the front of the case. That or if you connected the USB header you may be able to control via the bios if it is supported.

  • @camilledegilcemile8270
    @camilledegilcemile8270 Год назад +1

    is there front dust filter that you can remove it and clean?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  Год назад

      No there isn't, the mesh front panel is the only dust protection.

  • @f4r3ll88
    @f4r3ll88 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this super explanatory video.
    helped me to decide for this house :) great video congratulations friend

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for the positive feedback and I’m glad it was helpful.

  • @peepoos
    @peepoos 2 года назад +2

    Hey, I'm trying to decide between this, and the lian li 2. Wil this fit the ALSEYE M120D Plus CPU Air Cooler?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      It should do, based on the quoted height on the Alseye web site, but I think it would be close. BTW that looks a pretty nice cooler. I might have to add it the cooler league.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      I just bought one from Amazon :)

  • @ChrsRed
    @ChrsRed 2 года назад

    So the case has the PSU plug to power all the fans but on my MSI motherboard I can’t find it can you help

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      The fan controller has 3 cable coming from it: 1) the sata power connector (largest connector of the 3). This powers the fan controller and also the fans. You need to connet this to a sata power cable coming from PSU 2) the Fan PWN cable (a little rectangle with 3 sqaure holes on the bottom) needs to be connected to one of the fan headers onm your motherboard. If you look in your motherboard it may be listed a case case fan header 3) The RGB connector (this is a thinner small rectangle and and 3 holes on the bottom with a gap between 2 of them) needs to be connected a RGB control header on your motherboard if it has one. Make sure you put this on one that has 3 pins and not one with 4.

    • @ChrsRed
      @ChrsRed 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds thanks Jimbo! I figured it out I didn’t have the ground connected. After I did that I was good. Appreciate you getting back to me

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Excellent and any time

  • @dmihaseeb
    @dmihaseeb 2 года назад +1

    For some reason one of my front fan doesnt light up. It has 5V 3pin header while my motherboard has 4pin 12v. Any suggestion what i can do

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Didn't you leave your fans connected to the fan controller? Also don't connect the 3pin to the 4pin you could cause damage.

    • @dmihaseeb
      @dmihaseeb 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Hi thanks for your response. My fans are all connected to controlller but the 3 pin 5v is not connected. Fans are all working but one of the front fans doesnt light up with rgb. Im unsure why its doing that

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      The lights might be out. The power for them comes from the SATA as far as I'm aware which is why 2 are lighting up. The 3 pin is for control from the motherboard.

    • @dmihaseeb
      @dmihaseeb 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds That makes sense. Thank you Jim for all the help and responses.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Anytime. Hopefully you'll be able to get it working. If you've only jst bought the case you might be able to return it?

  • @andyt9132
    @andyt9132 3 года назад +8

    Great review! I have a few questions
    I noticed on Lian Li's website that the two buttons next to the power button say "C" and "M". Do they mean Color and Mode?
    Is the fan hub only for RGB?
    My guess is that we use the fan hub and front IO to control the RGB, and for fan speeds on the other hand, we use the BIOS?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Thank you. Yes it stands for color and mode. The hub isn’t only for RGB but it can only be used to control the fan profile when it’s connected to a fan header on your motherboard.

    • @andyt9132
      @andyt9132 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Makes sense, thank you so much!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Anytime

  • @jackfarrington3878
    @jackfarrington3878 Год назад +1

    Hey im wondering are the fans addressable and if so what software is it

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  Год назад

      The fans are indeed. They are 3 pin RGB fans but they come connected to a built in fand hub which in turn connects a 3 pin header on the motherboard. The software will then depend on the motherboard you use. So for example if you use an ASUS board the header will show up in Auro Sync.

  • @rakesh1519
    @rakesh1519 3 года назад +2

    how is the tower cooler clearance, can i install hyper 212 argb in it

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      The clearance is pretty standard. You'll have more than enough room for the hyper 212 argb. I have that exact cooler running in the Micro ATX version.

  • @gasperplesko2976
    @gasperplesko2976 2 года назад +1

    Does the front mesh panel have any additional dust filter over the fans?

  • @craigferguson3240
    @craigferguson3240 2 года назад +3

    Thanks man. I'm in Canada so prices are skewed a bit, but this currently runs for 240 approx on Amazon, but lest week it dropped to 160, so I ordered one. Looks like it would fit my need for my current build. Thanks for this video tells me I'm gonna have to mod the case a bit for to create mounts for cable ties and such, but that's easily done, appreciate the information on this case. Planning to route my fans cables to have cpu temp showing on forward fans, so I may use the controller to add more fans, I don't like that the psu has no airflow out other then under. May have to use the dremel tool and modify.

    • @craigferguson3240
      @craigferguson3240 2 года назад +2

      Build- ry7 3700x cpu,
      Gigabyte x570 mb,
      Zotac rtx 3050 oc,
      32gb ram 3200 mhz @ cl16,
      1tb nVME, adding second later.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      But getting the dremmel out is the fun bit. To b e fair to the case, only having one way to install the PSU for air is pretty common amungst cases these days, especially when there is a PSU shroud.

    • @craigferguson3240
      @craigferguson3240 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Yep, gonna enjoy modifying the case for my personal tastes.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      @@craigferguson3240 You should DM me the result on Twitter or post it on builds.gg

    • @craigferguson3240
      @craigferguson3240 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds sure I can do that. Be a few weeks, still have a few parts to pick up to finalize the build. Building on a budget.

  • @Skott62
    @Skott62 2 года назад +1

    Anyone know what the difference the Lancool 205 Mesh X is vs the other 205 models?

    • @Skott62
      @Skott62 2 года назад

      Wondering what the X difference is

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      I’ve not heard of the X version. I’ll have a look.

    • @Skott62
      @Skott62 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Thanks. Its what it says on the box. Came from a Microcenter if that helps.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      I've checked both the Lian li and Microcenter websites and I can't find a X variety so I'm not sure what it is.

  • @0v0-n4d
    @0v0-n4d 3 года назад +3

    Can i wash the front panel mesh?Can it be taken off easily?Thanks!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +4

      The front panel pops off pretty easily. Like most you have to use a little force. As for cleaning I would say yes you can. I wouldn't go to town with all kinds of chemicals but a damp cloth should be fine.

  • @BLACK-wb8zv
    @BLACK-wb8zv 3 года назад +1

    Which chasis should should i go for lancool 205 mesh or lancool 215 mesh ??

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      They’re both pretty good but personally I prefer the 205 as I think it looks nicer. It also has slightly better features. But that does depend on price. If the 215 is a good bit cheaper, I’d go for that.

  • @reesesman8821
    @reesesman8821 2 года назад +1

    I got a micro center pre-built 5700x with 3060 and I'm in love with the mesh 205 love it I could not have a pc with out mesh grills all over because blocked off front panels look kind of ugly to me

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      I've heard lots of good things about the Micro Center pre-built PCs. They exclusively use the Lancool 205, mesh and non mesh. I would also lean towards the mesh. Do they add any additional fans to the case?

  • @debjitroy3321
    @debjitroy3321 2 года назад +1

    Does the front mesh panel is made up of metal ??

  • @ko4950
    @ko4950 3 года назад +1

    Just got the white one of these ! But my case fans the 140mm Infront and 120mm in the back isn’t turning on? I tried everything I’m really confused . I’m a beginner and this causes a headache Fr

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      Is the fan controller connected to power? If memory serves it connects via SATA power

  • @primaherdian
    @primaherdian 2 года назад +1

    Is the glass clear or dark tinted?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      It'spretty clear, but it does defuse the light a little, but I wou;dn't describe it as tinted.

    • @primaherdian
      @primaherdian 2 года назад

      @@jimbopcbuilds Thanks.. I’m planning to build a non rgb pc with this case. So in your opinion if I didn’t use any light or rgb components can I still see my system inside?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      @@primaherdian The glass isn't tinted but it will block some light going in to the case but I think should be ok.

    • @primaherdian
      @primaherdian 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds ah i see, thanks man 👍🏻

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      @@primaherdian Any time. 😀

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 2 года назад +2

    🙂 thx for the review, i like the mesh + 3 argb fans

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      They perform pretty well which is nice

  • @sofiatransport9062
    @sofiatransport9062 3 года назад +1

    is the side panel tinted?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      It's not completely clear but I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying it's tinted.

  • @MauricioRSFit
    @MauricioRSFit 3 года назад +3

    Hi! How would you compare this to the Lancool 215? Thanks!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      A good question. They are both very similar cases. They both offer the same type of airflow design with the same type of mesh. The 215 is cheaper but is more basic feature wise. The problem for me with the 205 mesh is the cost. The 205 mesh at Micro Center is $110. The 215 at Newegg right now is $80. For me the 205 is a better case, it just isn't $30 better.

    • @BongManCSGO
      @BongManCSGO 3 года назад +2

      @@jimbopcbuilds Available in India for 6590 INR ~ 88$
      I search for this case on YT and yours is the only video about this cabinet

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Is that 6590 INR for the 205 Mesh? If so that's pretty decent price. I hope you. your family and all your friends are well btw. It looks like Covid has hit India pretty hard.

    • @BongManCSGO
      @BongManCSGO 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Yes, I mentioned the price of 205 Mesh only.
      And, thanks a lot for your kind words, sir.
      I hope the same for you. Stay safe.

  • @johnsheehan9418
    @johnsheehan9418 2 года назад +1

    Hi, does anyone here know if I can replace the hard front panel with a mesh front?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      Somebody asked me this one a while back. I don’t think it would be a problem, it’s just a case (pun intended) of whether you can get hold of the mesh panel. I asked Lian Li if they would sell them them but they never got back to me. I guess my channel is too small to bother with.

  • @kodzuren1
    @kodzuren1 3 года назад +1

    question
    I have a motherboard b450m ds3h V2 that supports RGB 4pin 12v and from what i see, the stock fan in this case are 3pin 5v.
    i assume this means that i wouldn't be able to connect the stock fan to my motheboard.
    is there a way to fix this? maybe a converter or should i buy fans that supports my mother board rgb 4pin 12v?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      There are converters out there that are not that expensive. The fans that come with it are pretty decent and are already connected to the controller, so really you only need one converter for the cable from the controller. That or just use the button on the front of the case.

    • @kodzuren1
      @kodzuren1 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds @Jimbo PC Builds oh so you can connect the controller of the fans to the button in the front of the case and the fans will work? i thought the controller was connected directly to the mobo and that's why i was asking

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      It comes connected to the button on the front out of the box

    • @kodzuren1
      @kodzuren1 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds so what i understand is that you don't actually need to connect the rgb fans to the mobo, just the front panel and it will work right? (I'm sorry if I'm being dumb but is my first time building a PC haha)

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      No problem at all. There's a button on the front that is connected to the controller. Each of the installed fans is already connected to the button, but that button controls the RGB only. What you will need to connect is the fan power cable from the controller to your board. That way the motherboard bios can manage the case airflow. The benefit of connecting the RGB header to your motherboard for central control. If you have RGB RAM and say RGB lights on your board you can then line up the lighting for all of them. Personally when I hit the problem you're having I set the fans and everything else to a set color. That way you can set the fans using the case button and everything else using the bios / software.

  • @lijhay2889
    @lijhay2889 2 года назад +1

    Is the fans argb or just plain rbg?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      They are argb fans

    • @lijhay2889
      @lijhay2889 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Thanks for responding! This comment is very helpful since I’m planning to get this case!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      @@lijhay2889 Nice, it's a good case and is excellent to build in.

    • @lijhay2889
      @lijhay2889 2 года назад

      @@jimbopcbuilds thanks! And I also have another question, can the included hub fit 2 more fans? I’m planning to get a lian li 240mm aio cooler and I heard that there are only 4 argb fan slot

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      It has 5 fan 4 pin points and 4 ARGB connectors. I guess you mean ARGB connectors anyway as you'll be connecting the fans to your motherboard CPU Fan header? You could always get a splitter for the ARGB... www.amazon.com/JBtek-Black-Sleeved-Splitter-Converter/dp/B01EF9OI0O/ref=asc_df_B01EF9OI0O/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309707619534&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=974411532429467098&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003769&hvtargid=pla-760665316512&psc=1

  • @JAFFER3657
    @JAFFER3657 3 года назад +1

    Is the mesh in front works as a dust filter or it is just for airflow?
    Lancool 215 has the same mesh no separate dust filter in front of fans.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      It has no additional dust filtration. The mesh is pretty tight but I don't think it will stop all dust coming through, so it's mainly aimed at airflow.

    • @JAFFER3657
      @JAFFER3657 3 года назад

      @@jimbopcbuilds Kindly take a look at Segotep Phoenix G5 Casing.
      It has all the dust filters I want but sadly not many reviews on internet.
      Can you identify which case does it looks similar to? It is a Chinese Brand so there must be an alternative like this in US I think.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      I can see why there are not many reviews. I can only find one outlet selling it in the US. Newegg sell it in Canada but not the US. I'm guessing that might have something to do with tariffs? I'll see if I can get one, but I've only seen them for $170 which is crazy money for what it is. I do have to say though, the layout is very unique. I might see if I can contact them directly to sort buying one straight from them. Fingers crossed.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      I've sent them an email. Let's see if they get back to me.

    • @JAFFER3657
      @JAFFER3657 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Thank You so much 🙂

  • @AJ-je9qp
    @AJ-je9qp 3 года назад +3

    Great video, how were temps with this case? I haven't seen anyone really post definitive numbers on the temps they've gotten.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      I didn't test temps fully. The parts I put it in were not in any other build they were new. That's why I didn't put temps in the video, without a baseline they would have been pretty meaningless. The temps I did see however were decent (it's been a while) and the airflow was very good with the fans provided.

  • @Zantriuce
    @Zantriuce 3 года назад +1

    Is there a micro atx version of this case since the original has a micro atx version?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Not yet no. But I'd be surprised if they don't do one at some stage. After all there'd be very little work involved for them as it was for the standard ATX.

  • @christian011899
    @christian011899 2 года назад +1

    hi there! can the 2 140mm fans in the front be replaced with 2 120mm fans?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      You can replace the fans but only with 140mm fans as there are no screw holes for 120mm fans, or at least not that I could see anyway.

    • @christian011899
      @christian011899 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds great! thanks for the reply

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      @@christian011899 Anytime :)

    • @christian011899
      @christian011899 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds I have one more question. Are the pcie slot covers the detachable ones? The one where you can't reuse them to cover the slots once removed?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      They are re-usable slot covers. So as long as you don't put them somewhere safe and forget where they are (I do that all the time) then you'll be good.

  • @tikitakutakutaku578
    @tikitakutakutaku578 2 года назад +1

    You can even mount arctic freezer 280 in front if remove lian-li plate o, i did it and use rgb fans front with it. My build is 5600x,3070ti gamerock, 280 arctic freezer rev 1.

    • @tikitakutakutaku578
      @tikitakutakutaku578 2 года назад +1

      Snagged this case in europe christmas sal was 68 euro.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Nice. I didn't try that. Something to keep in mind.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      That's an awesome price

  • @JAFFER3657
    @JAFFER3657 3 года назад

    Hi Again, I need your help here.
    I got this casing and was trying to sync the fans with Aura Sync software (Armoury Crate they call it now) but I can only control the lights on the motherboard none of the case fans and CPU cooler (also ARGB) is changing their colours as I go with the software.
    They change colours when I use the button given near power switch on casing but nothing changes when I use Asus's software please help.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Did you connect the cable from the fan controller to the motherboard? There may be 2 connectors: 3pin and 4pin, make sure you're connected to the right one. I've connected to wrong one in the past so it's an easy mistake to make.

    • @JAFFER3657
      @JAFFER3657 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds just got a response from the seller he said there are 8 modes with IO Panel Button 7 of them are different cycles 8th one is for ARGB and it worked, and I can use it with mobo now :D

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      @@JAFFER3657 Excellent news

  • @KindaKin7
    @KindaKin7 2 года назад +1

    How does this case compare to the lancool 2 I wonder 🤔

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      You'd have to watch the Lancool 205 non mesh video to find out :)

    • @KindaKin7
      @KindaKin7 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds thank you for the direction my man cuz I was wondering for a while now if the 205, 215 Would be equally or at least comparable with the lancool 2 since they're their older brothers
      I think the 205 is a very decent case and the look of it is like the NZXT h510 flow which is a really clean and minimalistic look I really like. You earned a sub my guy.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      @@KindaKin7 I'm glad the videos were helpful, and thank you that awesome!!!

  • @siemprepalante773
    @siemprepalante773 3 года назад +1

    Great video and review. Thanks. Looking forward to more.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      Thanks. Hopefully I'll be able to get back to build when GPU prices come down. Nobody wants to buy a custom built PC for over $2k.

    • @siemprepalante773
      @siemprepalante773 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Yeah, this market is insane. I'm looking to buy a custom pre-built myself and these prices hurt...lol

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      @@siemprepalante773 I'd watch the Gamers Nexus reviews of pre-builts. The covered them in some depth. It might help, if you haven't seen them already.

    • @siemprepalante773
      @siemprepalante773 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Will do. Thanks for the assist.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      Anytime.

  • @coreyhickman9082
    @coreyhickman9082 3 года назад +1

    Hey I just got a pre built with this case but non mesh you know if I can replace my front with the mesh?

    • @coreyhickman9082
      @coreyhickman9082 3 года назад +1

      Also it’s keep just restarting after I load a AAA title I’m thinking I need a better psu I can play games like rimworld all day I loaded up gta after like 10 or 20 mins it’s restarted I just bought it two weeks ago I have a warranty but they are located 50 mins from me so I haven’t gotten down there yet just trying to figure out what’s happening my temps are never in the 80c when it happens so can’t be heat issue… the only odd thing I know is all my core clocks are spiking to 4900mhz then down back up repeat…

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Firstly on the mesh panel. I think you should be able to do it if you can find one. They 100% used the same tooling for both cases and they clip on the same way. As for the restarting, what PSU do you have? Is that the CPU temps? What GPU do you have? How are the temps on that? If it has 2 power points have they used the same cable for both? To be honest, I know it's a journey but I would still take it back to them. They're normally pretty good with this kind of thing (the one by me is anyway) and it may even be a faulty PSU, so they would be able to replace it. It may work out cheaper doing the 50 minute drive rather than buying a new PSU, as that might not even be the problem. It could be the GPU or something else even. Also install CPUID HWMonitor and keep an eye on all your temps, just in case it's something else like memory.

    • @coreyhickman9082
      @coreyhickman9082 3 года назад

      @@jimbopcbuilds specs are msi z490a pro has the 11th gen bios compatibility update, with an i7 11700k and a pny 3070 unknown psu it’s 750w tho, wd blue m.2. Cpu did get above 85 it got to 86 loading a new map in bfv but dropped to 60c during playing with a cooler master 240 aio gpu sits around 50c during gameplay on high, ive notice fallout 4 on ultra def crashes the system like a few mins into playing. I’m really hoping it’s just some short in the psu I want a modular psu anyway was going to switch it out but that’ll mess with the warranty so might as well wait. My biggest concern is the i7 I do have hwmointor installed and the cpu runs at like almost a constant 4900mhz when the bios is set to 3.6… I really appreciate your response:)

    • @coreyhickman9082
      @coreyhickman9082 3 года назад

      @@jimbopcbuilds have to keep my eye out for the front mesh panel cause I really want it..

    • @coreyhickman9082
      @coreyhickman9082 3 года назад

      @@jimbopcbuilds and the mob lights are only an issue if they blink or stay on correct?

  • @MrBarclonista
    @MrBarclonista 2 года назад +1

    will rtx 3090 fit in this case?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      It should do yes.I have a 3080 FTW 3 Ultra which ia pretty large card and that would fit no problem. But if you do buy a huge 3090, check he length against the specificaition on the Lian Li site.

  • @MrCoolCatBob
    @MrCoolCatBob 3 года назад +1

    Do they sell the front mesh panel separately and is it compatible with the 205 (non mesh)?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      I don't think sell it on it's own, or at least Micro Center don't. But looking at it I think it will fit. Originally I did think with the fan controller included that the front panel would be a different size but it doesn't look that way. So if you can get one, you should be good.

  • @TheOnlyRinzy
    @TheOnlyRinzy 3 года назад +1

    I have a question; if I wanted to use the 140 Unifans in the front, could i fit them between the mesh front panel and the chassis? Also, is the fan controller removable? o_o

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Excellent question. Let m etake a look and get back to you. I'm pretty sure that the controller is screwed down but want to check and I think that the fans won't fit but I want to check to be certain.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      There isn't enough room at the front for fans between the mesh front and the case frame. The fan controller is held in by 2 screws so should come away.

    • @TheOnlyRinzy
      @TheOnlyRinzy 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds ah thats a shame then, was hoping i'd be able to show off the rgb on the front with the unifans. Thank you so much for checking for me!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      NP any time

  • @Luismi386
    @Luismi386 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for the review!! Cheers

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      You're welcome. I hope it was helpful?

  • @rickyrorabaugh4686
    @rickyrorabaugh4686 3 года назад +1

    Did you post the more detailed build video?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      No not yet. I ended up doing some content requested in comments but it will be coming

    • @rickyrorabaugh4686
      @rickyrorabaugh4686 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds okay cool. I just got this case for a build and I'm having some troubles with it.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Oh ok. What are you having trouble with?

    • @rickyrorabaugh4686
      @rickyrorabaugh4686 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds I got it all up and running now. I had one of my buddies help me out and we figured out that the cable I was using for the hard drive power was bad so I had to use one of the other cables that came with the power supply

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      They don't often go. Well at least you found it and have managed to get your system working which is great. You should post it on builds.gg. I post all my builds up there. They have build competitions all the time with some really nice prizes.

  • @einzuwasu5563
    @einzuwasu5563 2 года назад +1

    ty for the video! Will get this one

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      Nice. You'll have to let us know what you think when you get it.

  • @min0rmeme108
    @min0rmeme108 3 года назад +1

    I have this case can I mount my gpu with a riser card?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      I guess that would depend on motherboard and the riser card. The are in the case should be big enough, but if the slots are too close together or you're using a mATX motherboard you might struggle.

    • @min0rmeme108
      @min0rmeme108 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds I don't see a place to screw the gpu into the case

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      @@min0rmeme108 The are roughly 1.5cm slots at the back of the case. They are covered with a holding cover. Line up where your GPU will slot in and and take the 2 /3 screws out as needed and then the slots will be opened up. It's pretty standard in every case. I did an installing a GPU video a while back but it's quite long. If you search for how to install a GPU card there's plenty of good videos covering how to do it. Paul's Hardware and Bitwit both did build guides last year that cover it and many other topics as well.

    • @min0rmeme108
      @min0rmeme108 3 года назад +1

      Thanks man take my sub! You earned it!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      @@min0rmeme108 Thank you so much! Let me know if you're still having trouble.

  • @GamesOn75
    @GamesOn75 3 года назад +4

    Just ordered this casing, upgrade from Corsair 100R 😁

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      Very nice :)

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      You'll have to let me know what you think of it once you've moved your build in to it.

    • @GamesOn75
      @GamesOn75 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Certainly. I heard good things about Lian Li cases and the airflow on this one plus I absolutely love RGB so decided to go with it 😀

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      The build quality on Lian Li cases has always been very good. As for the air flow and RGB? You won't be really did make a good choice. It's excellent on both counts.

    • @babylor4288
      @babylor4288 3 года назад +1

      Hey is worth the upgrade? I was going to do the name nothing.

  • @josephmiller528
    @josephmiller528 2 года назад +1

    Another useful video thank you! Better lit too :)! Sorry a bit new to all this and shopping for components. Why are you not a fan of those removable mesh filters? Is the mesh front panel framed by plastic? Had a pair of brushed aluminum Lian Li's (forgot model) with their aluminum casters that i had someone build for me in 2007. Loved the full aluminum quality! I'm old school and just can't wrap around the plastic bits lol. Thanks again for this down-to-earth video :)!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      I don't like the removeable filters as I tend to catch them a lot when moving the case around when building. As my old mum would say, I'd find a way to have an accident in padded cell. As for the old Lian Li cases, I'm with you. I had one myself about 20 years. I wasn't allowed the aquarium side panel which still grates me to this day.

  • @cherrytree5026
    @cherrytree5026 2 года назад +1

    can you control the speed of the fans or are they set by the fan controller?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      The fan controller has a cable that connects to a fan header on you motherboard so you can indeed control the speed.

    • @cherrytree5026
      @cherrytree5026 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuildsThanks! Awesome reviews btw

    • @cherrytree5026
      @cherrytree5026 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Another thing about the fan controller, it's got a 5v cable right? i checked the manual of my motherboard (MSI B450M Mortar) and it only has 12v 4-pin headers. Is it possible to connect the two? or will my pc blow up?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      @@cherrytree5026 No you shouldn't. It may make the fan controller go pop as it'll receive too much voltage

    • @cherrytree5026
      @cherrytree5026 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Alright I have decided to go with another motherboard that has a 5V argb header. Thanks for the information!

  • @auradzrts691
    @auradzrts691 3 года назад +1

    This is head to head between Phanteks P300A v Lancool 205 Mesh?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      I haven't done that but sounds like a good idea.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +3

      I don't have and standard build setup or airflow testing equipment, so I've actually just tweeted @GamersNexus to see if they could take at comparing the 2. They test the you know what out of cases so they'd be able to do both justice. I may still look at comparing both, but with them being airflow cases I think the kind of testing they'll do will really help people decide.

    • @auradzrts691
      @auradzrts691 3 года назад +3

      @@jimbopcbuilds GN just upload a video on best cases in 2021 so far.
      Currently I have a plan to change my mesh case with compact form. P300A is in my plan to buy, but seeing Lian Li with their quality, suddenly I'm attracted to 205 Mesh.
      Sorry for my bad English, it's not my native language.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      I just watched the video. I would say that the Lancool 205 Mesh and the P300A are in a very different category, both price and feature wise. The 205 Mesh comes with 3 stock fans which are all RGB, it comes with an included fan controller and it's a around $40 more expensive. To make a fair comparison you'd need to get a P300A, add a controller and and 3 RGB fans, which would probably cost more than $40. That being said I'd be very interested to see how the thermals compare using a standard cooling solution. That for me would be the reason to buy either is this case. Pun intended :)

  • @modfabriek7651
    @modfabriek7651 2 года назад +1

    Nice and entertaining video👍

  • @sergejodnodvorcev7858
    @sergejodnodvorcev7858 3 года назад +1

    Thank you!!!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      You're very welcome. I hope it was useful?

  • @leedaq7767
    @leedaq7767 3 года назад +1

    is this just a little updated version of 215? I don't see much difference!

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +1

      It's an updated version of the standard 205. The 215 is very similar but the layout inside and at the back is different. The built quality of the 205 is slightly better as well.

  • @bhupeshdhami
    @bhupeshdhami 3 года назад +4

    Great review Sir!
    I was considering to buy a Non Mesh version of this case because of it's minimalistic looks, but I'm concerned about the temps as I live in India and here the ambience is always around 40° C. Will it be fine to consider non mesh case if I add Lian Li Galahad 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler and possible
    My PC Specs:
    AMD R5 5600X
    MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI
    ASUS GT 1030 (NON-FAN VERSION)- SOON GOING TO UPGRADE TO 3060TI OR 3070
    ADATA SPECTRIX D50 DDR4 16GB (8GBx2)
    WD BLUE 1TB 7200RPM
    Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 V2 80 Plus Gold Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Excellent question. Personally I would go for the mesh in your circumstances. The mesh obviously has less air resistance so more air would be pushed through by the fins on the Galahad radiator. But price would also come in to play for that. The air flow on the non mesh isn't that bad. So if the mesh is a lot more expensive then I'd seriously think about going for the standard. I hope that helps?

    • @bhupeshdhami
      @bhupeshdhami 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds You might not believe but here In India the price for Lian Li Lancool 205 Mesh ARGB Cabinet (Black) is ₹5,799 ($77.90) on mdcomputers (A very popular website for buying PC components in India) and on the same website Lian Li Lancool 205 Cabinet (Black) is available for ₹5,749 ($77.23). So, the Mesh version is negligibly cheaper than Non Mesh.
      Can you tell me how much difference in temps will I experience If I go for Mesh rather than the standard one? I just want the temps to be under 70°, is it possible with 3 120mm of LIAN LI ST120 Case Fans along with the Galahad?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      I did a different build in each so it would be difficult for me to say what the difference is between them. I can tell you however that I was easily able to see the difference in air flow. I did the whole paper test with the air coming through and the airflow on the Mesh was better.

    • @bhupeshdhami
      @bhupeshdhami 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds Thanks! Guess I should go for Mesh.

    • @darkfun177
      @darkfun177 2 года назад

      фига

  • @Whatness
    @Whatness 3 года назад +4

    Informative video, but if I had one point of criticism for your presentation it would be that you didn't seem to be all that confident in regards to certain aspects of the case. For example when you were looking at the top I/O you spotted what looked like a fan controller and said something along the lines of "there could be a fan controller". I also don't believe you ever provided detail when it comes to the size of the fans included at the front of the case. Which was actually my main point of interest. It looks like they're bigger than 140mm? (Edit) No they are 140mm. My eyes must be deceiving me.
    Over all a little bit of scripting that provides precise detail after checking Lian Li's literature on their product probably would have made the video feel a bit more polished. Obviously I can go check their website as well, but hey. I'm already here.
    You are one of the only channels that comes up with regards to a full look at this case though, so I appreciate the effort all the same. Camera work was well done and I could clearly see all the details. I especially appreciated the look at the 3.5" drive cage. Thanks.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      I do each case walk through straight out from the box. I’m going for the more “journey of discovery” approach. That way viewers are joining me with what I find so I don't fake liking a feature when I see it and vise versa. I do this for 2 reasons: 1) I think it feels more natural rather than too structured and 2) I do RUclips in my very little spare so in all honesty, with work etc getting in the way, the amount of time I have for video prep is limited. The editing process takes quite a while so I have to prioritize where to spend the time.

    • @Whatness
      @Whatness 3 года назад +2

      @@jimbopcbuilds Hey fair enough. I just thought I might drop my 2 cents for whatever it was worth. At the end of the day, like I said, I appreciated the video and I truly do understand the time commitment that goes into these things. A like and a subscribe all the same from me. Thanks again.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      @@Whatness Excellent thank you and also thank you for taking the time out to give me some feedback. The long term goal of the channel is to expand and improve, as this happens and I may have more time I'll be able to keep your points in mind. :)

  • @ajresser1790
    @ajresser1790 2 года назад

    The bottom part on the front of the case you just did a build with under the tempered glass does come off.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      I'm not sure if I get what you mean? The bottom part means the part of the side that covers the PSU. That is fixed. If you watch the build video you can it there and when intsalling the motherboard you can it there. You only get full access on one side which is the back where you access the PSU and the HDD trays.

  • @creator7341
    @creator7341 3 года назад +1

    Side panel should be hinged door

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      As the Mesh version is more expensive it's price point is similar to other cases with this feature so it's very difficult to argue with that. It would be nice and I can't see a reason why it shouldn't be there apart from extra expense of changing the tooling on the Lian Li side.

  • @teesuu953
    @teesuu953 3 года назад +1

    ccan you fit a 3 fan gpu in this case?

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      I would say so yes. A FTW3 from EVGA fits which is a 3 fan GPU.

  • @samvega827
    @samvega827 3 года назад +3

    I have this case it's great you can fit 2 280 rads one on the front and on top. I current have the EVGA clc280 top mounted on my ryzen 5 3600 its kinda close to the ram but there's a decent amount of clearance. It's my first time building a set up as well and it was very easy to navigate the case for cable management. Everything stays really cool I'm interested to see it on gamer nexuses list and how it stacks up but this is the only review I can find on it which great job very informative.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Thank you. Sounds like you have good setup. Your first as well! I’d also like to Gamers Nexus put it through its paces. Tech Jesus’s testing methodology is very solid indeed.

    • @samvega827
      @samvega827 3 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds You're welcome, and I can't complain for just getting started. I'd like to upgrade my 1650 to an 8gb card I might have that lined up too. But that's no doubt I definitely lean more towards honest channels too. But good luck with the channel I subscribed so I'll be on more videos.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      @@samvega827 That's great thank you. Hopefully you won't have to wait too long to upgrade the 1650. GPUs are just crazy right now.

    • @camilledegilcemile8270
      @camilledegilcemile8270 Год назад

      is there front dust filter that you can remove it and clean?

  • @_SereneMango
    @_SereneMango 3 года назад +1

    Ordered this case 40% off... A thing that sold me was it has two 140mm fans on the front. Every other case has 120mm fans (or 200, but those are out of my budget).
    Thanks for the review! It also helped me making the decision.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад

      Nice. Agree with you about the fans as well. They're pretty quiet as well. They move air well too. With a 40% discount as well and you're on to a bargain.

  • @cemsengul16
    @cemsengul16 2 года назад +1

    Honestly I think it is kind of ugly. I much rather a glass front to see the RGB lights properly. I understand this is function over function though.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад

      I think with the power draw new components are taking, glass fronts may be a thing of the past tbh. I think having the choice is the best option, like NZXT are doing. Also there is a 205 non mesh but it's a metal front rather than a glass one.

  • @DrVektor
    @DrVektor 2 года назад +1

    why every enlish speakers pronounsed numbers two - o - five or one fourthy like? why no body say simply hunderedfive or hunderedfourty ? i dont understand.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  2 года назад +1

      You know I don’t know. It’s the same with GPUs. People always say thirty eighty instead three thousand and eighty.

    • @DrVektor
      @DrVektor 2 года назад +1

      @@jimbopcbuilds 😂🤣

  • @jordanrhys505
    @jordanrhys505 3 года назад +1

    Shame it isn't sold in white as per usual

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  3 года назад +2

      Very good shout. With the mesh and and the RGB fans a white version would look really nice.

  • @tomasvblanco
    @tomasvblanco Год назад

    Hello, and thank you for test this product. Is really hard to find a review of this case. That said, I have a couple of questions, and I'd be really grateful if you can help me:
    I have this old case that have only one cooler (a 120mm exhaust); I change my hw some time ago and I now got a pny 3060 ti xlr8, r5 5600, a steel legends b450, and a toughpower 750w gold. Pretty good setup, but my gpu is getting 75C with fans at 60%, and the cpu with stock fan is getting 84C; is a lot, and I need a solution. Well, I live in Argentina, and our market is really strange, an id cooling 226xt costs 48 usd today, and tomorrow can cost 30 or 60, that's our level. I thought buy an id cooling 226 or 224 (224 costs half), and maybe this case.
    Prices in cases I saw: lian li 205 mesh $70; deepcool matrexx 55 mesh w/ 4f $95; lian li 215 $100; coolermaster td500 mesh $100; lancool 2 mesh rgb $125 and lancool 3 $135.
    For cpu coolers, IDc 214 and deepcool gammax 400 v2 $17; deepcool gte v2 2 $24; IDc 224 black v2 $28, argb v3 $33; 226 $48; 224 duet argb $48; hyper 212 dual $52; and be quiet dark rock slim is $55.
    There's more products, maybe at solid price, but those are the ones I've seen so far. What would you recommend?
    PS: sorry, I know is a lot information; if you can't reply, don't worry. Thanks for reading.

    • @jimbopcbuilds
      @jimbopcbuilds  Год назад

      Your 5600 running at 84c doesn't sound good as they are not the hardest to cool. From what you're saying I can only guess that the case is chocking the CPU cooler a bit. So for me changing the case would be a really good move. I've not tested all the cases you've mentioned but based on the prices I think the 205 mesh will be a good bet as it comes with decent included fans. I run my Linus server a 205 mesh and it runs like a charm. As for CPU cooler, I've been very impressed with deepcoolers I've looked so far. But I would say that the hyper 212 is a very solid option as well, especially for a 5600.