She has TOTALLY got some points. The part about how she doesn't get why feminists would judge her for doing whatever she wants with her own body? Absolutely right.
i only fear phobophobia Oh, ya numpty. Trying to simplify feminism, beyond its very simple definition, into one little, bias-ridden comment. Many feminists, (most, in my experience, actually talking to people in the outside world) don't judge women for being on Page 3. They judge a society in which it's entirely acceptable to have an unavoidable, overtly sexual image in a family newspaper, of only one gender. I wouldn't judge a man for posing with an unavoidably, (in our current society) sexual part of him showing either. But oh look. It's only women who are encouraged to do so. Great little lesson for the kiddies there, both male and female. All of this regardless of the fact that, again, it's a sexual image in a family newspaper. To judge an individual for acting on what society has offered them is naive. To say you can't judge a person for their actions, therefore can't judge the society encouraging those actions, is equally naive. Y'feel?
Because if women can do whatever they want with their bodies and minds then Feminism loses it's control over them. Feminism (in its modern form) is all about controlling women; making them do and say and think what they are told to. Hence why feminism tries to convince women that they are helpless little victims in a terrifying world where Feminism is the only thing that can protect them. When in reality they are perfectly capable of looking after themselves, making their own decisions and dealing with their own shit.
Agreed 100% with Nicola. Very valid points. Feminism claims to be about the option of having women be able to choose without being shunned yet all most do is shun women where no one else is and take away their rights.
If women want to show their breasts, go ahead, just stop looking for special privileges. Many men are sick of it - the whining when things don't go your way.
But while we're at it, let's decriminalise prostitution too! Yes, I'm not joking! Caroline Lucas is for prostitutes but against page 3. You couldn't make this up.
I think she made a good case for herself. "The best my son could see" was maybe a bit over the top, but she was put on the defensive, should be taken with a grain of salt. No need to get prudish indeed.
Nothing more better in life then the smell of the fresh printed newspaper, page 3, on the wall, and a rainy Saturday morning, now that's a lazy morning,. Enjoyment
This exploitation argument is complete nonsense. These women choose to pose topless for page 3. No one ever forced them to do it. I think it's a rather obvious point, but nonetheless a point that feminists cannot seem to comprehend.
This is what I find odd, in America there are woman that don't go to college and instead they go into Real Estate, Insurance, or IT and build multi-million dollar companies. So it's hard for me to believe that that she would have ended up in a dead end job without page three. England isn't that different from America.
I'm so confused by the whole issue. I thought feminists were complaining about how men are allowed to be in public without a t-shirt yet women have to cover her nipples. I thought that was what the whole "femen" movement were about. By banning page 3 does that mean we are banning women from being able to show their boobs in society?
Feminists want to get their tits out and hairy armpits, plus have periods in public, and not have men look at them sexually. That's how delusional these women really are.
I grew up with page 3... I think it was a good idea to have page 3 girls. If people have an issue then they are the ones with an issue who degrade these girls. I think many of the page 3 girls were my idol.
Hey, at least she's honest. I may not really respect her idea of success but I respect HER conviction in believing it and her right to do it without hypocritical "women's liberation" feminists attacking her for it.
It's because modern feminism, at least in the west don't fight for any real issues. They argue over trivial matters like video games and topless women, instead of fighting for the rights of women in countries where have little to no rights.
Nothing wrong with Page 3 at all. It's harmless fun. It's a woman's choice. No shame in showing off the human body,same with men's choice to take part in porn. Also,don't forget lesbians who like boobs .
Page 3 wasn't demeaning to women because all those "Page 3 Girls" chose to be there. I'll admit I have read the S*n a few times in the past, but after learning about their coverage of Hillsborough, I have vowed *never* to read it again.
She is not thinking properly when it comes to having her children staring women’s bare breast. As for job wise she couldn’t even be trusted as a nanny.
Clickbait video title. Her point when she says it's the best thing her son could see is actually a very good one. What she means is that she'd rather her son see a topless woman than read about all the horror in the world, so we should concentrate upon the more important issues rather than get hung up on bare mammary glands. This video has opened my eyes a bit tbh, and I didn't really expect that. I understand both sides of the debate and both make good points, but my overall feeling is that this is a non-issue with far too much resource dedicated to it by the would-be censorers. Yes they'll argue that it's a symbolic thing, but I think it's humongous mistake to assume that a victory about Page 3 will become a figurehead for sorting out issues like the pay gap and other real, important equality issues. Finally, there's the fact that The Sun isn't really a newspaper. That seems like a dubious claim but really, compare it to the broadsheets and it just doesn't stack up. It's an idle celebrity gossip magazine that happens to be in newspaper format and comes out every day. Yes they cover real news in a cursory, superficial way, but there's no substantial depth or attempt to inform people about real issues, rather the stories exist to support a big headline that will grab people's attention. If we admit this and accept the Sun for what it truly is, then the argument becomes futile.
Oh dear... I feel so bad for the "unemployed page 3 models". (Eye roll) Maybe if she spent some more time studying and reading books she would understand why page 3 was an embarrasment to the British society.
NMP3 are an embarrassment to British Society with their censorious, authoritarian and prudish outlook on life trying to dictate what other people read and control what other women do with their bodies . They really are a nasty bunch of bitter and disgruntled people with far too much time on their hands.
You go girl. Nice to see a women sounding off against feminists. The way she said "I can't lie" got a ankle from me, it sounded less of a moral choice and more like she was listing a disability.
She is completely lost her mind. No wonder why she didn't do very well in her school. She forgot the fact that we don't live in the cave naked anymore coz we human have evolved culturally and socially more just and improved society.
So many of these comments are talking about the fact that she isn't educated,j ust because someone doesn't receive high grade in school it does not mean they're stupid. People learn differently and she has a point that she probably would have ended up with a really shitty job. The Victorias secret fashion show is televised and a huge event and those girls aren't wearing very much more than the sun page 3 girls!
What she's saying is true, logical and completely rational. How can it be exploitation when the girl choses to do it out of complete choice. And yes, at least topless and nude modelling helps the economy and gives jobs to young women in a time with high youth unemployment. Plus there's no evidence that nude modelling lowers the status of women. In fact economically it empowers them as I said earlier. I think people need to stop worrying about topless, naked girls in papers and magazines and start worrying about british Islamists preaching gender apartheid and child marriage and giving women a status as a servant to men. It's not just Muslims, they're are Hindus in the UK who are also forcing their girls into early marriage, practicing dowry customs and are preaching a form of Hindu dharma which give women an inferior and subservient status.
+peacegod101 Wow a typcial Christian Evangelical missionary if I ever saw one. We see many of your kind and have for over 200 years. Your lies didn't manage to convert our people, it won't now. LMAO equating any religion to Islam and it's practices. Ahahaha! You are one stupid BBC worshiper. Christian Evangelicals are anti-national/treasonous lying hypocrite scumbags. You spread hate while preaching that you are based on love.
ncshuriken LOL you think The Sun is going to become intelligent by not having Page 3? There was nothing wrong with Page 3 in the first place. Just feminist prudes putting their two cents in where its not wanted, as usual.
***** No, I don't think that at all. I was saying that now page 3 is phasing out, people will have to move on to more intelligent, concise & informative papers, which is a good thing. Yep, feminist upstarts and knee-jerk reactionism, its rife... We'll never keep them happy, I'll miss page 3 at work, but I'll get over it in no time lol.
ncshuriken Not the point. Feminists are starting to dictate everything. They've even got their hands in what should or shoudln't be in video games. This Page 3 news is just the icing on top of the cake. Any victory by the feminists is not a good thing. They're destroying free speech and creativity with their bullshit.
Whats the point of reading The Sun now then? Its gone from the dumbest paper ever, with visual aid for lower class factory slaves like me & white van men, to just the dumbest paper ever... Its probably a good thing though, because hopefully it'll make people move onto papers that are actually interesting & intelligent like the Guardian or the Times, both of which are 10 times better than The Sun in every way except page 3!
"I don't think it teaches them anything, because me as a mother teaches my children about the value of women." When feminism gets rekt by a single compound sentence from a Page 3 model.
The theory is that school going children with particular personality and physical profiles, coupled with the right socioeconomic backgrounds, are often initiated into sexuality before they are ready - before neurons are fully wired up etc. (sometimes just due to the kind of attention they receive as children, other times from actual pre-pubscent sexual encounters, either with members of their peer group, or older members of the community). This virtually guarantees poor academic performance from them, according to this theory anyway. Shunting them down specific psycho-social/socioeconomic pathways (or walks of life and professions) into adulthood, or limiting their options some would say. But it's really not about how many doctors and lawyers you can train, but how many you can support. Because this is directly based on how many sick people you can cough up, and how many people you can take to court isn't it? So that this express elevator to the top, like the one offered by The Sun page 3 may be a good way to counter the problem of bottle necking, as those in the thick mid-section of society struggle for higher ground by any means necessary. Including priming their children to fulfill such roles for society, to move up the socioeconomic ladder and enjoy a quality of life otherwise unavailable to them. Of course the complaint from the rest of the middle classes, especially those of the fairer sex (those in the upper classes would be in the business of plucking such assets out of obscurity of course, and making some money off of it usually), is they should get in line and slog their way up like everyone else.
That's due to the outrageous coverage of Hillsborough, and the lies about Hillsborough that it promoted, of course. Which is why I don't read it. It is, of course, nothing to do with Page 3.
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She has TOTALLY got some points. The part about how she doesn't get why feminists would judge her for doing whatever she wants with her own body? Absolutely right.
i only fear phobophobia That is neither what feminists do nor what they say.
FYTJ Read what i said again, because you obviously misunderstood it.
i only fear phobophobia Oh, ya numpty. Trying to simplify feminism, beyond its very simple definition, into one little, bias-ridden comment. Many feminists, (most, in my experience, actually talking to people in the outside world) don't judge women for being on Page 3. They judge a society in which it's entirely acceptable to have an unavoidable, overtly sexual image in a family newspaper, of only one gender. I wouldn't judge a man for posing with an unavoidably, (in our current society) sexual part of him showing either. But oh look. It's only women who are encouraged to do so. Great little lesson for the kiddies there, both male and female. All of this regardless of the fact that, again, it's a sexual image in a family newspaper.
To judge an individual for acting on what society has offered them is naive. To say you can't judge a person for their actions, therefore can't judge the society encouraging those actions, is equally naive. Y'feel?
Because if women can do whatever they want with their bodies and minds then Feminism loses it's control over them. Feminism (in its modern form) is all about controlling women; making them do and say and think what they are told to. Hence why feminism tries to convince women that they are helpless little victims in a terrifying world where Feminism is the only thing that can protect them. When in reality they are perfectly capable of looking after themselves, making their own decisions and dealing with their own shit.
She's right. Page 3 is the most honest thing in The Sun Newspaper.
Not really considering the amount of makeup the women wear
It don't feel right and as a bloke you know it. If you want to see that stuff slam it in a magazine .
Agreed 100% with Nicola. Very valid points. Feminism claims to be about the option of having women be able to choose without being shunned yet all most do is shun women where no one else is and take away their rights.
I hate the idea of women having the option to do something I don't want them to, so ban Page 3 now!
If women want to show their breasts, go ahead, just stop looking for special privileges.
Many men are sick of it - the whining when things don't go your way.
Stop it man, you're killing me on that one. Damn it's a shame that women are trying to keep these women from showing their breasts from page 3.
But while we're at it, let's decriminalise prostitution too! Yes, I'm not joking! Caroline Lucas is for prostitutes but against page 3. You couldn't make this up.
Page 3*
Fuck u
I think she made a good case for herself. "The best my son could see" was maybe a bit over the top, but she was put on the defensive, should be taken with a grain of salt. No need to get prudish indeed.
She's an idiot.
These page 3 girls were brilliant and lovley and they worked very hard they were great girls.
Nothing more better in life then the smell of the fresh printed newspaper, page 3, on the wall, and a rainy Saturday morning, now that's a lazy morning,. Enjoyment
She's not wrong.. Page 3 is much better than the rest of the shit the Sun peddles as content
She's ace. Eloquent. Confident. Open minded. Holds her own. She's no bimbo at all. A top quality modern woman.
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Feminists, put women out of work, then complain about a gender wage gap.
This exploitation argument is complete nonsense. These women choose to pose topless for page 3. No one ever forced them to do it.
I think it's a rather obvious point, but nonetheless a point that feminists cannot seem to comprehend.
This is what I find odd, in America there are woman that don't go to college and instead they go into Real Estate, Insurance, or IT and build multi-million dollar companies.
So it's hard for me to believe that that she would have ended up in a dead end job without page three.
England isn't that different from America.
She said she wasn't good in school. That usually doesn't translate into marketable skills. There are exceptions but think about it.
Why does she says ‘sons’, she have one daughter and one son!
I'm so confused by the whole issue. I thought feminists were complaining about how men are allowed to be in public without a t-shirt yet women have to cover her nipples. I thought that was what the whole "femen" movement were about. By banning page 3 does that mean we are banning women from being able to show their boobs in society?
Feminists want to get their tits out and hairy armpits, plus have periods in public, and not have men look at them sexually. That's how delusional these women really are.
All these glamour models in page 3 are bound to be loyal to the sun because it launched their careers!
there were 2 other publishers.
so true such stupid cows
Agreed. Page3 is the best (if not only) thing of intrest in the newspaper.
Page 3 is why ppl buy the Sun over the telegraph!
I grew up with page 3... I think it was a good idea to have page 3 girls. If people have an issue then they are the ones with an issue who degrade these girls. I think many of the page 3 girls were my idol.
It’s only topless. They weren’t even wearing thongs/ G-strings. Grow up. P.S. I am an attractive female.
The story is really about feminist controlling what we see, think and the words we say!
Hey, at least she's honest. I may not really respect her idea of success but I respect HER conviction in believing it and her right to do it without hypocritical "women's liberation" feminists attacking her for it.
ZhangK71 Yeah that's super confusing... feminism stands for woman being able to do what they want. And now they don't have that choice...seems odd.
I think the page 3 girls were very good for the girls..but it belongs in a magazine not a newspaper, it degrades them.
Jeeze, why do women just throw feminism into every argument. You can't just get what u want by saying FEMINISM
warmest past of the sun will always be page 3
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So she is fine with her son's watching porn.
It is not porn or most softcore porn.
Lucy Pinder I think shes referring to.
Completely agree with what shes saying!
Kev T nah Lucy Collette I think she’s quite large
Is it good for your son to see a female body being used as an object of sexual desire in a newspaper?
I love how everybody fell for The Sun's clever publicity stunt :-)
I don't know why Radical Feminists would consider Page 3 to be a huge issue I'm pretty sure there are more serious issues out there darlings!
It's because modern feminism, at least in the west don't fight for any real issues. They argue over trivial matters like video games and topless women, instead of fighting for the rights of women in countries where have little to no rights.
She's right. And the title used for this video was very misleading.
Nothing wrong with Page 3 at all. It's harmless fun. It's a woman's choice. No shame in showing off the human body,same with men's choice to take part in porn. Also,don't forget lesbians who like boobs .
this woman is great
+April Huisman
Lol true
Page 3 wasn't demeaning to women because all those "Page 3 Girls" chose to be there.
I'll admit I have read the S*n a few times in the past, but after learning about their coverage of Hillsborough, I have vowed *never* to read it again.
They chose to be there because of the money and fame. Like it or not they are exploited, sex sells, the love of money is the root of all evil.
She is not thinking properly when it comes to having her children staring women’s bare breast. As for job wise she couldn’t even be trusted as a nanny.
Bring back the Page 3 ladies!
Clickbait video title. Her point when she says it's the best thing her son could see is actually a very good one. What she means is that she'd rather her son see a topless woman than read about all the horror in the world, so we should concentrate upon the more important issues rather than get hung up on bare mammary glands.
This video has opened my eyes a bit tbh, and I didn't really expect that. I understand both sides of the debate and both make good points, but my overall feeling is that this is a non-issue with far too much resource dedicated to it by the would-be censorers. Yes they'll argue that it's a symbolic thing, but I think it's humongous mistake to assume that a victory about Page 3 will become a figurehead for sorting out issues like the pay gap and other real, important equality issues.
Finally, there's the fact that The Sun isn't really a newspaper. That seems like a dubious claim but really, compare it to the broadsheets and it just doesn't stack up. It's an idle celebrity gossip magazine that happens to be in newspaper format and comes out every day. Yes they cover real news in a cursory, superficial way, but there's no substantial depth or attempt to inform people about real issues, rather the stories exist to support a big headline that will grab people's attention. If we admit this and accept the Sun for what it truly is, then the argument becomes futile.
Oh dear... I feel so bad for the "unemployed page 3 models". (Eye roll) Maybe if she spent some more time studying and reading books she would understand why page 3 was an embarrasment to the British society.
What are you, feminist or Tradcon?
NMP3 are an embarrassment to British Society with their censorious, authoritarian and prudish outlook on life trying to dictate what other people read and control what other women do with their bodies . They really are a nasty bunch of bitter and disgruntled people with far too much time on their hands.
British society is an embarrassment to itself.
You go girl. Nice to see a women sounding off against feminists. The way she said "I can't lie" got a ankle from me, it sounded less of a moral choice and more like she was listing a disability.
She is completely lost her mind. No wonder why she didn't do very well in her school. She forgot the fact that we don't live in the cave naked anymore coz we human have evolved culturally and socially more just and improved society.
so how about those David Beckham underwear billboards?
So many of these comments are talking about the fact that she isn't educated,j ust because someone doesn't receive high grade in school it does not mean they're stupid. People learn differently and she has a point that she probably would have ended up with a really shitty job. The Victorias secret fashion show is televised and a huge event and those girls aren't wearing very much more than the sun page 3 girls!
Page 3 was the best thing I saw in the sun as a young lad back in 1980, Samantha fox😜
What she's saying is true, logical and completely rational. How can it be exploitation when the girl choses to do it out of complete choice. And yes, at least topless and nude modelling helps the economy and gives jobs to young women in a time with high youth unemployment. Plus there's no evidence that nude modelling lowers the status of women. In fact economically it empowers them as I said earlier.
I think people need to stop worrying about topless, naked girls in papers and magazines and start worrying about british Islamists preaching gender apartheid and child marriage and giving women a status as a servant to men. It's not just Muslims, they're are Hindus in the UK who are also forcing their girls into early marriage, practicing dowry customs and are preaching a form of Hindu dharma which give women an inferior and subservient status.
+peacegod101 Wow a typcial Christian Evangelical missionary if I ever saw one. We see many of your kind and have for over 200 years. Your lies didn't manage to convert our people, it won't now. LMAO equating any religion to Islam and it's practices. Ahahaha! You are one stupid BBC worshiper. Christian Evangelicals are anti-national/treasonous lying hypocrite scumbags. You spread hate while preaching that you are based on love.
Yeah, i wont buy the sun anymore in protest ^^
Yea, now you'll have to read intelligent, non-drivel papers that you can actually learn something from!
ncshuriken LOL you think The Sun is going to become intelligent by not having Page 3? There was nothing wrong with Page 3 in the first place. Just feminist prudes putting their two cents in where its not wanted, as usual.
*****
No, I don't think that at all. I was saying that now page 3 is phasing out, people will have to move on to more intelligent, concise & informative papers, which is a good thing. Yep, feminist upstarts and knee-jerk reactionism, its rife... We'll never keep them happy, I'll miss page 3 at work, but I'll get over it in no time lol.
ncshuriken you sound like a sad, frustrated and arrogant person, don't really envy you :)
ncshuriken Not the point. Feminists are starting to dictate everything. They've even got their hands in what should or shoudln't be in video games. This Page 3 news is just the icing on top of the cake. Any victory by the feminists is not a good thing. They're destroying free speech and creativity with their bullshit.
Very articulate. And fair point, too. Page 3 is a far better alternative to Pornhub.
Whats the point of reading The Sun now then? Its gone from the dumbest paper ever, with visual aid for lower class factory slaves like me & white van men, to just the dumbest paper ever... Its probably a good thing though, because hopefully it'll make people move onto papers that are actually interesting & intelligent like the Guardian or the Times, both of which are 10 times better than The Sun in every way except page 3!
"I don't think it teaches them anything, because me as a mother teaches my children about the value of women."
When feminism gets rekt by a single compound sentence from a Page 3 model.
The theory is that school going children with particular personality and physical profiles, coupled with the right socioeconomic backgrounds, are often initiated into sexuality before they are ready - before neurons are fully wired up etc. (sometimes just due to the kind of attention they receive as children, other times from actual pre-pubscent sexual encounters, either with members of their peer group, or older members of the community). This virtually guarantees poor academic performance from them, according to this theory anyway. Shunting them down specific psycho-social/socioeconomic pathways (or walks of life and professions) into adulthood, or limiting their options some would say. But it's really not about how many doctors and lawyers you can train, but how many you can support. Because this is directly based on how many sick people you can cough up, and how many people you can take to court isn't it? So that this express elevator to the top, like the one offered by The Sun page 3 may be a good way to counter the problem of bottle necking, as those in the thick mid-section of society struggle for higher ground by any means necessary. Including priming their children to fulfill such roles for society, to move up the socioeconomic ladder and enjoy a quality of life otherwise unavailable to them. Of course the complaint from the rest of the middle classes, especially those of the fairer sex (those in the upper classes would be in the business of plucking such assets out of obscurity of course, and making some money off of it usually), is they should get in line and slog their way up like everyone else.
Let us focus on more important issues please...
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Different to my mum.
Poor journalism from the beeb. Reporting on a story, without any facts. The sun has NOT dropped page 3. Haha.
The Taliban on high heels.
Sold any copies of the Sun in Liverpool, Mr Murdoch, I think not
That's due to the outrageous coverage of Hillsborough, and the lies about Hillsborough that it promoted, of course. Which is why I don't read it.
It is, of course, nothing to do with Page 3.
Nicola oh dear.....................................
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Q) How many men would be offended by a newspaper that printed men in their boxer shorts on page three? No top just underwear?
Answer below this comment with
Yes
No
This woman's a doughnut.
Hmmmmmmmm -_-. She makes me think, feminist hire her, just to say the wrong reasons.
L O L
nuff said!