I think governments around the world need to consider forcing/allowing insurance and registration sharing across vehicles. I live in Australia and we have long distances without refuelling stations where you really need a gasoline car, but yes some 80-90% of trips you would get by with an electric car, so if you could pay one registration and one insurance for the most expensive vehicle and swap the plates between them it would courage owning 2 vehicles, one for local drives and one for long interstate drives. Note that hybrids would work but pure electric I think needs this adjustment in some countries.
Insurance means a statistical loading, and charged appropriately for the density of chances you would get into an accident. If you fully load the insurance, by sharing the insurance across vehicles round the clock, than you saturate the chances, and your insurance rates would be be raised appropriately with the increase in density of chances to get into an accident. It is like a neighbourhood or an apartment building/flat, where the power utility corporation presume a 20% loading factor, with occasional peaks of 80% loading of short periods. So the regulators allow the transmission cabling and switches to be made for a lower load. You can't say, O well look at all those transmission wasted idling at low loads, why don't we load them at near 100% all the time? Whereas in an industrial zone, where the loading is constantly 70 - 80% loading factor, the transmission cabling and switches would need to be for a higher loading factor.
Cynthia Avishegnath I think you have totally missed what I am suggesting. Your basic premise is correct BUT I was suggesting that you have even say 7 cars, one for every day of the week. You are only allowed to drive any one of them at any time, and you can only drive the same number of hours kilometres per week because that hasn't changed, otherwise you would have to be in 2 places at once. If you want to have both cars driven at the same time, ie 2 people using them at the same time then you pay 2 insurances as is currently the case. Obviously theft needs to be considered a little differently because that's a total value proposition, but the accident risk is not greater by a significant amount due 2 less hours spent in any one car otherwise we wouldn't be able to share cars across a family without paying a premium already.
***** I've thought about that, the problem is that the batteries are so large and so much a part of the car that it might take > 1 hour to swap it out and cost $60-$100 in labour alone.
In the 1950s the UK’s Local Authorities particularly Birmingham used electric vehicles for all of their recycling and rubbish collection vehicles, yes recycling was common place in the 50s after WW2, for obvious reasons. The consumer society and planned obsolescence from USA put paid to that. The first Tesla was merely a Lotus Elise which Tesla rex-engineered with their drive train.
Yes, agreed on the 1950's recycling and how the American planned obsolescence business model put paid to that. On the subject of the original Tesla Roadster: yes, it was based on the Lotus Elise, but by the time of its production it shared around 7% [yes, seven] of the components. Not one body panel was the same. The wheels, driveshafts, suspension, etc, were not the same. So you can see that it wasn't merely an electric Elise. Elon Musk has since said several times that he wishes they'd started from scratch, rather than converting another car, although Lotus were more than helpful. And the original electric drivetrain was from another company, which didn't hold up in production, so they had to totally redesign that too. Actually makes me wonder why Lotus don't make an electric Elise to fill the electric two-seater sports car gap.
Everyone said but from where coming electricity. Noone care from where coming Oil and how much energy is spent to get Gas or Diesel on Gas stations, and on the end how is transported and how risk it is. When an oil tanker spill oil into ocean that is catastrophe. There is thousand of scenario what can go wrong in Oil transportation. On the end where comes majority of Oil, probably is not from UK, Germany, France... Most of eletric energy comes from your country and money stay in your country, do not goes in pocket of "Sheik" or some other corporations.
I like how Robert goes nearly point by point and refutes things like this. "ELECTRIC CARS ARE NOT "GREEN" watch?v=BqiO5qt5-is just think the guy who encorages people not to buy electric cars says he gets $500 a month for the videos he posts, hopefully the comment he gets in return make him wish he'd come up with some other subject. ;-)
jon mount Batteries that no longer have sufficient range can still be used for stationary power storage on the grid, ant then those without sufficient storage for the grid can be recycled and the lithium reused to make new batteries. See, all the ingredients of the battery are still there in a "dead" battery, it's just the structure that has broken down.
This guy presents the "fullychargedshow" on RUclips, great to watch full of humour and informative.
A humours and open handed approach is always the most effective method of getting your point over. Well done Robert.
I could listen to Mr Llewelyn all day. As luck would have it he is talking here about his experiences with EVs. (A subject very close to my heart!)
I love and appreciate Robert Llewellyn! Keep up the good work! You rock.
Hi Rob in 2022 from Perth. Australia.
Great presentation including your “Young ones impersonation “ well done sir. John
Fascinating, Fun , Future is bright! Thank you Mr Llewelyn .
Your greatest work Robert... EVangelism
I used to watch Robert on "Junk Yard Wars", fun show, and Robert is still the same =)
Thanks for sharing!! Great talk from Llewellyn! It's pretty much a complete throwback to his first fullycharged episode.
Excellent talk.
wow, what an amazing talk! thanks for sharing
loved the presentation!
Your awesome. Really a great talk, and as entertaining as it was informative.
Good talk
Ted
"I can't build an iol refinery in my back garden or an oli rig, I would *If I could I would do it*".
That made my day
Before you comment that EVs use coal
Oil uses more electricity to refine than what it takes to drive an EV.
this guy has to make it to TED for real
this guy is owsome
Great Talk, thanks :)
Robert does an exellent Neil (from the young ones)
I didn't know that tedx talks could be this small.
excellent Neil impression man
I think governments around the world need to consider forcing/allowing insurance and registration sharing across vehicles. I live in Australia and we have long distances without refuelling stations where you really need a gasoline car, but yes some 80-90% of trips you would get by with an electric car, so if you could pay one registration and one insurance for the most expensive vehicle and swap the plates between them it would courage owning 2 vehicles, one for local drives and one for long interstate drives. Note that hybrids would work but pure electric I think needs this adjustment in some countries.
Insurance means a statistical loading, and charged appropriately for the density of chances you would get into an accident.
If you fully load the insurance, by sharing the insurance across vehicles round the clock, than you saturate the chances, and your insurance rates would be be raised appropriately with the increase in density of chances to get into an accident.
It is like a neighbourhood or an apartment building/flat, where the power utility corporation presume a 20% loading factor, with occasional peaks of 80% loading of short periods. So the regulators allow the transmission cabling and switches to be made for a lower load. You can't say, O well look at all those transmission wasted idling at low loads, why don't we load them at near 100% all the time?
Whereas in an industrial zone, where the loading is constantly 70 - 80% loading factor, the transmission cabling and switches would need to be for a higher loading factor.
Cynthia Avishegnath
I think you have totally missed what I am suggesting. Your basic premise is correct BUT I was suggesting that you have even say 7 cars, one for every day of the week. You are only allowed to drive any one of them at any time, and you can only drive the same number of hours kilometres per week because that hasn't changed, otherwise you would have to be in 2 places at once.
If you want to have both cars driven at the same time, ie 2 people using them at the same time then you pay 2 insurances as is currently the case.
Obviously theft needs to be considered a little differently because that's a total value proposition, but the accident risk is not greater by a significant amount due 2 less hours spent in any one car otherwise we wouldn't be able to share cars across a family without paying a premium already.
*****
I've thought about that, the problem is that the batteries are so large and so much a part of the car that it might take > 1 hour to swap it out and cost $60-$100 in labour alone.
From what I remember, Tesla demo'd changing two batteries and getting a snack in less time than it takes to fill the average car with fuel...
In the 1950s the UK’s Local Authorities particularly Birmingham used electric vehicles for all of their recycling and rubbish collection vehicles, yes recycling was common place in the 50s after WW2, for obvious reasons. The consumer society and planned obsolescence from USA put paid to that.
The first Tesla was merely a Lotus Elise which Tesla rex-engineered with their drive train.
Yes, agreed on the 1950's recycling and how the American planned obsolescence business model put paid to that.
On the subject of the original Tesla Roadster: yes, it was based on the Lotus Elise, but by the time of its production it shared around 7% [yes, seven] of the components. Not one body panel was the same. The wheels, driveshafts, suspension, etc, were not the same. So you can see that it wasn't merely an electric Elise. Elon Musk has since said several times that he wishes they'd started from scratch, rather than converting another car, although Lotus were more than helpful. And the original electric drivetrain was from another company, which didn't hold up in production, so they had to totally redesign that too.
Actually makes me wonder why Lotus don't make an electric Elise to fill the electric two-seater sports car gap.
Does it include the child labour to mine the lithium, plus the toxic effects of land fill due to the inability to recycle. which go on for many years
If Carlsberg does TEDx then you just watched it, 👍
10/10
This guy is funny
Oh, Robert… hadn't seen this before, but was sad to see that you didn't extol Teslas founders, but rather its funder.
Everyone said but from where coming electricity. Noone care from where coming Oil and how much energy is spent to get Gas or Diesel on Gas stations, and on the end how is transported and how risk it is. When an oil tanker spill oil into ocean that is catastrophe. There is thousand of scenario what can go wrong in Oil transportation. On the end where comes majority of Oil, probably is not from UK, Germany, France... Most of eletric energy comes from your country and money stay in your country, do not goes in pocket of "Sheik" or some other corporations.
I like how Robert goes nearly point by point and refutes things like this. "ELECTRIC CARS ARE NOT "GREEN" watch?v=BqiO5qt5-is just think the guy who encorages people not to buy electric cars says he gets $500 a month for the videos he posts, hopefully the comment he gets in return make him wish he'd come up with some other subject. ;-)
Not sure the comparison to a range rover sport achieves much, other than getting to laugh at people who own such a silly car! PS great talk though
It would've opened people's eyes who own them, they probably didn't even know they pay more than double for fuel consumption.
check out fullyCharged , here on youtube ;)
TED is a Think-tank for the Easily Deluded.
How's your windmill going?
Always treat preachers with suspicion!
what will we do with a billion car load of dead lithium ion batteries
jon mount
Reuse them in house/ factory battery storage. Then ultimately recycle them.
jon mount
Batteries that no longer have sufficient range can still be used for stationary power storage on the grid, ant then those without sufficient storage for the grid can be recycled and the lithium reused to make new batteries. See, all the ingredients of the battery are still there in a "dead" battery, it's just the structure that has broken down.
And with that, try to recycle the oil. Good luck with that. =)
More tjhan you can do with old oil filters , plugs and exhaust systems DPFs etc.