Back in 1996 in Odesa, Ukraine we had such network with my 3 buddies at our nearly located to each other appartments. We played Warcraft 2, Doom, Quake, Diablo, Descent. Such an amazing times these were.
10BASE2 is still "ethernet" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE2 Also, the note about collisions: any hub based network, even RJ45 based networks, have this exact same issue. This is a problem that switches eventually solved, assuming the switch is doing full duplex. Even a single half-duplex link on a modern switch will have collisions.
Yes, also 10Base5 is an ethernet standard. On OSI Layer 2 they are all the same, from those old standards up to our new standards that can even handle some TBits/s. All use Ethernet Frames.
@@circuitrewind one of my uncles setup a home network about 25 years ago by using a screw terminal block to link three cables together.. outside.. I saw it in horror and went “ok, so I guess CSMA/CD would work.. 😳”
At the end of the video where you were battling Win98 and Norton brought back some memories and had me laughing so hard. I remember going through those same things countless times helping family and friends, it's a pain you never forget. It really highlights how much has changed with Windows and operating systems in general over the years. Awesome video, you have some sweet machines!
As circuitrewind pointed out, 10base2 is ethernet. If you want a network older than ethernet, you might be able to find some ARCnet hardware. DIP switches set your MAC address!
As a network admin in the early 2000s at a university, I built a "box of pain" which had two UTP cables and a power cable hanging out of it. Inside of it was a pair of UTP to coax media converter, and coax to optical media converters, and a power board.. it was a way of simulating bad connections for bad users ;) We moved out last users from 10Base2 in late 2003
10Base2 was actually pretty good when it worked. But when it stops working it is absolute nightmare to fix. And also if you have grounding issues with your computers you can get zapped pretty hard when connecting/disconnecting parts of the network. I loved messing with this stuff back in school when I was teenager.
Just FYI: Back when this was more common, there WERE some ISA based cards that had jumpers for activating a terminator on card. If jumpered, you could just plug the cable in directly without a T if it was the last one in the line. They weren't super popular though, because it wasn't always obvious what was going on, and anyone debugging a messed network would see that and try to "fix" the termination.
Fun story, when I did training for IT stuff. The standard install method our instructor gave us was to boot off a floppy, format the HDD, copy the entire windows CD to the HDD and then launch the install from the HDD. Fun times :)
I started my IT career as a network tech in the early 90's. This is bringing back so many memories! Some of them are even good memories! :D Thanks for sharing this.
Some industrial automation equipment still uses Coax on what I assume is a 10BASE2 network. What I immediately thought of was ControlNet, and I know way too many plants that still use it...
Nice :) I remember showing up for LAN parties in the 90s and if the other boxen weren't grounded properly and you showed up late then you would get shocked when you touched the metal connectors on 10BASE2 run connecting everyone. It was physically painful to add yourself to the network! (unless you were smart and held a bit of your t-shirt between your hand and the plug). Small request: When you do ping tests maybe you could use 9.9.9.9 instead to help teach people about quad9's non-logging DNS server :)
I used to work on a IBM token ring setup for a cash register/point of sale system. It was - s l o w -, and not only was it slow, but it was slower the farther away(distance) from the controller the terminals were located. Also, instead of terminators, each register was the termination-so just like this-if you unplugged any one, it took the whole system down. I don't miss it.
When I first got into 10BASE2, 1MB/s was like 100Gbit/s networking is today: My server's hard disk controller at the time (30MB RLL drive) topped out at 400kByte/s after low level formatting the disk to the optimum interleave. A single machine did not have enough throughput to saturate the network. The NI5010 and NE1000 ethernet cards also lacked the bus bandwidth to go that fast. It was a Large Enough pipe. That was the NETBIOS and IPX days.
Two NE200 LAN under LANtastic on 386/486 (ISA 16 bit) configuration had peak brandwidth about 3mbit/s. 486 -> PC XT (8 bit card) max brandwidth was about 150kbit/s. 1MB/s was like 100Gbit/s networking in 80s. Many mainframes in in 70s had faster than 1MB/s channels.
FYI Ethernet (as originally defined in 802.3) is the framing standard whereas 10Base5, 10Base2 and 10BaseT through 10GBaseT are all media layers and physical signaling implementations used by Ethernet. Twisted pair RJ45 connected cabling doesn’t make it Ethernet.
Adding to this, later token ring equipment switched from the previous proprietary connectors and cables to twisted Pair with RJ45 as well. Having the presenter constantly mess this up and the obvious blunder with the 1.25 Megabytes a second made this video painful to watch.
As one who fixed a thinnet plant with this defect: Don't randomly pick 50 Ohm or 75 Ohm coax for each cable... You'll have many difficult to diagnose problems...
your old ethernet switch has the internal 50 Ohm dummy load, called terminator. It can be switched on and off, if the slider is set to "internal", you should not attach 50 ohm to the connector at the switch.
My old school still had this network in place (infrastructure wise). When i took on the IT there, I rescued all the equipment and have a complete network
We had HUNDREDS of feet of coax in our hackerspace in the early 90's, all tied together with several DEC DEMPRs. As long as there everything was grounded and terminated it was not too shabby. BTW you should hunt down a Phobos 100mbit ethernet card for your Indigo2.
It is quite likely that Norton is correct and the machine is infected with NYB. NYB is a boot sector virus and was quite prolific for a while. It is quite possible that one of the disks you tried in the system previously was infected. That would also explain the crashes you were seeing - at least some of them. Norton can probably restore the boot sector but you may need to boot from rescue media from a cold boot to do it. Or you could use w Windows boot floppy to re-write the boot sector of the hard drive but again you should do it from a cold boot otherwise you may just end up infecting the floppy you boot from.
I remember that 10BASE2 with those Coax cables, the weird "T" adapters and the notorious "terminators" was the very first network that my friends and I used to play "Command & Conquer" on the network all night long. I think it used the "IPX" protocol, not TCP/IP. And it was so much better than having to go to the "Internet café" for playing C&C every time 😂
For a second I thought that was a 3com switch you were using and it had me remember how those don’t seem to die (worked at a shop a few years back that used old 10/100 switches as emergency backups - and we had a customer running at least 3 of them. I’m pretty sure one of them was a 24-port hub too 😂).
I think the term is termination just like with an SCSI bus. Your switch have an internal terminator and is used (there is even a switch for it on the right side of the BNC) so removing the terminator would make no difference. Coalition happens on all networks where a HUB is involved and used CSMA/CD methods - even a 100 Mbit/s network with a hub have conflicts. I thin you also mentioned that connecting two computer directly to each others will not work - it will work perfectly and was the way back in the days you you'd played games.
My first job as network engineer was in 1995 to replace the backbone in a building which used these coax things. Nearly 300 computers with only 2 branches, connected to an only one HP "Coax Hub". Each time someone was working in the network bay, the just touch the coax, everybody was disconnected ! I used one of the first Ethernet Layer 2 switch that was available from HP, it was soooo expansive ! Can't even find what model it was.
for the missing files that win98 asks you on every single new device installation, what you need to do is copy all the cabs to c:\windows\options\cabs (create if necessary)
I suppose if I dug around in the basement, I could find some 10base2 stuff. I should have a couple of networking cards and a 5 port hub with a BNC connector on the back (not as sophisticated as the one you're currently using - and smaller). Back in the late 1900s, I started working with my neighbor who had a small business doing networks other small businesses (doctors, dentists, and lawyers mostly). He also partnered up with a dial-up ISP to provide a site for the hardware to serve our local phone system. He let me run a 10base2 cable from his house to mine, as long as I promised not to eat up too much bandwidth (hence the hub with both ethernet and coax). Ahh, good times...
Bob Metcalf began the Network with Xerox PARC. Did you know that it started with 1 MB Speed ? Bob’s work led to 3-Com Corporation. 10-Base-5 and 10-Base-2 is ETHERNET, I was using 3-Com 10-Base-2 in 1983 with “new IBM PCs” (8088 4.77 MHz) The File Server we used was an Altos 986 (8086 10 MHz)
12:00 Those multi-medium cards have to be configured from the dos configuration utility to switch to the AUI or BNC port, it usually does not do it automagically in DOS/Win3/Win9x. In WinNT4+ you can go into the hardware parameters for the device (where you set the duplex and speed etc.) and change the interface medium there without rebooting. On Linux you can use "ethtool -s eth0 port bnc" to change the medium, and add i to /etc/rc.local /etc/rc.start or equivalent if needed.
10BASE2 was a pain at LAN parties (but still better than a null modem cable 😉). Took an hour to get working properly (because someone brought the wrong/broken cables). If someone new wanted to join everyone had to stop, because the whole network went down. And every once in a while you had to repeat the whole debugging procedure, because someone damaged a cable by rolling over it with a chair or pinching it in a door without noticing bringing the whole network down.
this how we laned back in the day...using ipx and coax...even ran the cables outside the building since we where all neighbors...also just do a fdisk repair on the mbr...also does the aptiva have a restore partition for factory reset?
ProTip from a dinosaur and building on your advice of copying your Windows installation CD to the hard drive... If you use DOS to copy the disc to your hard drive into a folder such as C:\WIN98 or C:\WIN95 and then run Setup.exe from that folder, it will never even ask for the disc. It will just automatically pull from the .cab files stored in the folder from where you ran setup.
That was the real Windows 98 experience. At that time I switched from Amiga to Win98. After being annoyed with it for half a year, I switched to Windows 2000. Then to Win XP and than to Win 7.
BTW, 10BASE-T isn't dead. It's still used in some industrial computing environments. I'm designing a new product at work right now that has a 10BASE-T port.
It applies to wide range of buses and frankly physical phenomenon. You have to have a resistor bridging positive and negative wire to stop reflections happening where impedance changes discontinuously
1:11 Baseband does not mean that only one packet can be send at a time. What about 10GBase-T? Baseband (in contrast to broadband) is the "natural" frequency range of the signal. In broadband the information (or signal) is modulated into a different frequency range. That is what Base means. FM Radio is where the frequency of your voice is modulated into the FM frequency range. It is in the name: modulation. The frequency of your radio station is the carrier wave. (FM radio is in a certain way "multiplexing", because there are different radio stations on different frequencies.) So, in 10BaseT (or 5 or 2) the frequency range of the signal is not changed. The signal is not modulated onto a lets say 104.5 MHz carrier wave.
Hah, used a lot of coax! By the time we started moving to RJ45 I repurposed some cabling to use from my 1st floor to my neighbour on the 3rd (replacing a serial cable that would not go over 9600bps and jumping to 10Mbps just like that)
10base5, thicknet, generally went up the building, though a riser, with taps, often called vampire taps, with a transceiver, which then connected to the 10base2 for that floor. You might have bridges which could connect multiple 10base2 networks, before accessing the thicknet, if you had multiple classrooms on a floor, each with their own thinnet segment. Definitely earlier cards were a pain, you had to set DMA and IRQ via jumpers.
Funny to see you working on that. as a side note : Just copy the cab files from the win98 cd and set the windows setup location to the new folder in the register. With the command winipcfg you can see the nic information. Thanks for the video.
Question @ 2:06 what tts is that? I understand that some older 2M repeaters around me use this voice and female voice but I can’t figure out if it’s pre generated or generated on a box / software. Do you have any idea where I can get ahold of this voice?
The voice is from a Texas Instruments TMC0281 and are all pre-generated with a vocabulary of about 750 words, I ripped this voice off the TI voice chip in my CAT-1000 repeater controller
Problem with this approach is that much of the information in this video is factually incorrect. Be careful with what you "learn" from random RUclips videos.
I collected a bunch of coax ethernet stuff (T's, cables) they were throwing out at work, then someone else scrapped it before I could bring it home. I have a hub with a coax connection plus some cards with coax jacks
I’m sorry, 10base2 I haven’t seen that in a long time. Man the modern-day ethernet cable or category cables are literally a game changer like a revolutionary invention in the world of well computers and networking. 😂😊
3:10 Terminators, not dummy loads. While they’re fundamentally the same thing, in standard terminology dummy loads are intended to dissipate large amounts of RF energy, while terminators are low-energy devices that serve only to terminate transmission lines to avoid reflections. In IT terminology of the time, “terminator” is the only term used for them.
Don’t connect a 50Ohm to 75Ohm connector. The center pin is a different diameter to ensure the impedances. The male 50Ohm is ‘thicker’ and connected to female 75Ohm connector. Will ‘spread’ the center pin 75 ohm making it not useable and ‘broken’.
Where did you find a network switch that supports this? Ive done some looking and they are considerably more expensive than even similar spec modern ones for some reason.
What if you really have a virus? Have you tried to check the HDD with a modern antivirus? And to rewrite the MBR I guess booting from a clean boot floppy and run fdisk/mbr would erase ant boot virus
Still called "ethernet"... Also, on our repeater we call that interference, "jamming"... We always referred to your "dummy loads" as "terminators". EDIT: disregard, you got it.
27:30 At Norton: "Dude can you f*ck off!" lol yelled that so many times in the 90's at Norton. Absolutely hated that software and it was preinstalled on a ton of retail PC's during the Win 98 era.
I first played doom with some of my friends om a 10base2 network.. also we tried to filesharing via Windows95 (possibly 98).. it was hard to set up for a 14/15 year old
So how are the Capacitors in that Dimension lol surprised its still running. Well it was mostly the Clam Shell ones where the caps died. The normal desktop ones like that would run longer. But very cool video. I remember as a kid wondering WTH those BNC connectors were and i used to think the other port was a Game Port hahahaha
@@nilswegner2881 It's a card with a VGA connector that my computer needed to display graphical data and had a chip on it that handled all the processing necessary. It's a GPU as far as I and common speech cares.
uhoh caught a glimpse of a Fortinet, are you aware of the recent breach? Probably doesn't impact you if that's just for your retro network, but there have been a few events the past few months with Fortinet devices, they are/were compromised.
I use it only to isolate my windows machine from the rest of my network, I have been aware of the breach and I'm looking in to getting another SFF machine to run OPNSense instead :)
Back in 1996 in Odesa, Ukraine we had such network with my 3 buddies at our nearly located to each other appartments. We played Warcraft 2, Doom, Quake, Diablo, Descent. Such an amazing times these were.
There's some comedy to be had in setting up an old bus-style network, and the first stop is an unpopulated ethernet switch :)
y im here lol
10BASE2 is still "ethernet" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE2
Also, the note about collisions: any hub based network, even RJ45 based networks, have this exact same issue. This is a problem that switches eventually solved, assuming the switch is doing full duplex. Even a single half-duplex link on a modern switch will have collisions.
Yes, also 10Base5 is an ethernet standard. On OSI Layer 2 they are all the same, from those old standards up to our new standards that can even handle some TBits/s. All use Ethernet Frames.
I think the confusion comes from that on RG6 networks that existed before Ethernet was a thing it used to run ATM or arcnet protocols instead.
@@circuitrewind one of my uncles setup a home network about 25 years ago by using a screw terminal block to link three cables together.. outside.. I saw it in horror and went “ok, so I guess CSMA/CD would work.. 😳”
At the end of the video where you were battling Win98 and Norton brought back some memories and had me laughing so hard. I remember going through those same things countless times helping family and friends, it's a pain you never forget. It really highlights how much has changed with Windows and operating systems in general over the years. Awesome video, you have some sweet machines!
As circuitrewind pointed out, 10base2 is ethernet. If you want a network older than ethernet, you might be able to find some ARCnet hardware. DIP switches set your MAC address!
The Serial Port recently did a video about the origin of twisted pair Ethernet so it's nice to actually see coax Ethernet.
As soon as you mentioned 'Norton Internet security' every person who used computers anywhere from dos to XP just gave you a blank stare lol.
Symantec Endpoint Security was amazing till it got borg'd by Norton.
As a network admin in the early 2000s at a university, I built a "box of pain" which had two UTP cables and a power cable hanging out of it. Inside of it was a pair of UTP to coax media converter, and coax to optical media converters, and a power board.. it was a way of simulating bad connections for bad users ;) We moved out last users from 10Base2 in late 2003
jesus, thats some BOFH grade punishment. what in the world were the "bad" users doing?
@ on the phone, in the flesh and in your account
10Base2 was actually pretty good when it worked. But when it stops working it is absolute nightmare to fix. And also if you have grounding issues with your computers you can get zapped pretty hard when connecting/disconnecting parts of the network. I loved messing with this stuff back in school when I was teenager.
Just FYI: Back when this was more common, there WERE some ISA based cards that had jumpers for activating a terminator on card. If jumpered, you could just plug the cable in directly without a T if it was the last one in the line. They weren't super popular though, because it wasn't always obvious what was going on, and anyone debugging a messed network would see that and try to "fix" the termination.
Fun story, when I did training for IT stuff. The standard install method our instructor gave us was to boot off a floppy, format the HDD, copy the entire windows CD to the HDD and then launch the install from the HDD.
Fun times :)
I started my IT career as a network tech in the early 90's. This is bringing back so many memories! Some of them are even good memories! :D Thanks for sharing this.
Some industrial automation equipment still uses Coax on what I assume is a 10BASE2 network. What I immediately thought of was ControlNet, and I know way too many plants that still use it...
hate that stuff lol. id rather work on data highway any day of the week.
this is a certified necromancy classic
Lots of memories from old lan parties. Network would suddenly go down when someone joined with a TV coaxial cable.
Nice :) I remember showing up for LAN parties in the 90s and if the other boxen weren't grounded properly and you showed up late then you would get shocked when you touched the metal connectors on 10BASE2 run connecting everyone. It was physically painful to add yourself to the network! (unless you were smart and held a bit of your t-shirt between your hand and the plug). Small request: When you do ping tests maybe you could use 9.9.9.9 instead to help teach people about quad9's non-logging DNS server :)
This is EXACTLY the kinda videos i look for! Thanks for the upload!
I used to work on a IBM token ring setup for a cash register/point of sale system. It was - s l o w -, and not only was it slow, but it was slower the farther away(distance) from the controller the terminals were located. Also, instead of terminators, each register was the termination-so just like this-if you unplugged any one, it took the whole system down.
I don't miss it.
For the Aptiva, run Scandisk and Fdisk /mbr. Those may fix it
When I first got into 10BASE2, 1MB/s was like 100Gbit/s networking is today:
My server's hard disk controller at the time (30MB RLL drive) topped out at 400kByte/s after low level formatting the disk to the optimum interleave. A single machine did not have enough throughput to saturate the network. The NI5010 and NE1000 ethernet cards also lacked the bus bandwidth to go that fast. It was a Large Enough pipe. That was the NETBIOS and IPX days.
Two NE200 LAN under LANtastic on 386/486 (ISA 16 bit) configuration had peak brandwidth about 3mbit/s. 486 -> PC XT (8 bit card) max brandwidth was about 150kbit/s. 1MB/s was like 100Gbit/s networking in 80s. Many mainframes in in 70s had faster than 1MB/s channels.
Nostalgia overload. This was my first proper network. Those Doom multiplayer sessions.
FYI Ethernet (as originally defined in 802.3) is the framing standard whereas 10Base5, 10Base2 and 10BaseT through 10GBaseT are all media layers and physical signaling implementations used by Ethernet. Twisted pair RJ45 connected cabling doesn’t make it Ethernet.
Adding to this, later token ring equipment switched from the previous proprietary connectors and cables to twisted Pair with RJ45 as well.
Having the presenter constantly mess this up and the obvious blunder with the 1.25 Megabytes a second made this video painful to watch.
As one who fixed a thinnet plant with this defect: Don't randomly pick 50 Ohm or 75 Ohm coax for each cable... You'll have many difficult to diagnose problems...
But they're all black there's no difference........... hahaha!
your old ethernet switch has the internal 50 Ohm dummy load, called terminator. It can be switched on and off, if the slider is set to "internal", you should not attach 50 ohm to the connector at the switch.
Shouldn't use the Tee either
My old school still had this network in place (infrastructure wise). When i took on the IT there, I rescued all the equipment and have a complete network
10Base-2 *is* Ethernet.
Exactly. Made this video extremely hard to watch.
Brings me back to the early 2000's when i used a coax network for my mom to have internet access in her office.
Dating myself here but my first foray into networking was 10Base2 and Novell. We added 10Base5 and then 10BaseT. This takes me back.
We had HUNDREDS of feet of coax in our hackerspace in the early 90's, all tied together with several DEC DEMPRs. As long as there everything was grounded and terminated it was not too shabby.
BTW you should hunt down a Phobos 100mbit ethernet card for your Indigo2.
Or failing that, a 3c597 EISA card.
@@logansorenssen The GIO64 card has so much more swag, tho. :)
It is quite likely that Norton is correct and the machine is infected with NYB. NYB is a boot sector virus and was quite prolific for a while. It is quite possible that one of the disks you tried in the system previously was infected. That would also explain the crashes you were seeing - at least some of them.
Norton can probably restore the boot sector but you may need to boot from rescue media from a cold boot to do it. Or you could use w Windows boot floppy to re-write the boot sector of the hard drive but again you should do it from a cold boot otherwise you may just end up infecting the floppy you boot from.
The astolfo figure is killing me. So random, i love it!
The Vids are so good an chill after school. Just a cool person talking and doing old tech. Awsome just awsome! :3
21:31 linux corrupted itself, truly 90s experience right there
I remember that 10BASE2 with those Coax cables, the weird "T" adapters and the notorious "terminators" was the very first network that my friends and I used to play "Command & Conquer" on the network all night long. I think it used the "IPX" protocol, not TCP/IP. And it was so much better than having to go to the "Internet café" for playing C&C every time 😂
This video really makes me nostalgic since I got my first experiences with Linux using Red Hat on a similar Packard Bell
"...But what would happen if I add another radio to the mix transmitting on the same frequency?"
*Skynet noises.*
Me: _That makes sense to me!_
For a second I thought that was a 3com switch you were using and it had me remember how those don’t seem to die (worked at a shop a few years back that used old 10/100 switches as emergency backups - and we had a customer running at least 3 of them. I’m pretty sure one of them was a 24-port hub too 😂).
I built many 10Base2 “Thinnet” networks back in the day. The proper coax is RG58. RG62 was used for Arcnet.
Great video, but keep in mind that it's still all Ethernet, ethernet has nothing to do with the cable or interface per se, it's a protocol
This takes me back to the 90s
I think the term is termination just like with an SCSI bus. Your switch have an internal terminator and is used (there is even a switch for it on the right side of the BNC) so removing the terminator would make no difference.
Coalition happens on all networks where a HUB is involved and used CSMA/CD methods - even a 100 Mbit/s network with a hub have conflicts.
I thin you also mentioned that connecting two computer directly to each others will not work - it will work perfectly and was the way back in the days you you'd played games.
My first job as network engineer was in 1995 to replace the backbone in a building which used these coax things. Nearly 300 computers with only 2 branches, connected to an only one HP "Coax Hub". Each time someone was working in the network bay, the just touch the coax, everybody was disconnected !
I used one of the first Ethernet Layer 2 switch that was available from HP, it was soooo expansive ! Can't even find what model it was.
for the missing files that win98 asks you on every single new device installation, what you need to do is copy all the cabs to c:\windows\options\cabs (create if necessary)
You have to love the astolfo figure in back
Why is the background in every video?
@ everything is a background besides the thing that your main focus is on
I suppose if I dug around in the basement, I could find some 10base2 stuff. I should have a couple of networking cards and a 5 port hub with a BNC connector on the back (not as sophisticated as the one you're currently using - and smaller). Back in the late 1900s, I started working with my neighbor who had a small business doing networks other small businesses (doctors, dentists, and lawyers mostly). He also partnered up with a dial-up ISP to provide a site for the hardware to serve our local phone system. He let me run a 10base2 cable from his house to mine, as long as I promised not to eat up too much bandwidth (hence the hub with both ethernet and coax). Ahh, good times...
Back in the BBS days 10BASS-T was my handle because I was cool like that.
Time to make a really cursed intranet with 10Base2 and IP over Avian Carriers 💀
Congrats on 50K mate!
Bob Metcalf began the Network with Xerox PARC.
Did you know that it started with 1 MB Speed ?
Bob’s work led to 3-Com Corporation.
10-Base-5 and 10-Base-2 is ETHERNET,
I was using 3-Com 10-Base-2 in 1983 with “new IBM PCs” (8088 4.77 MHz)
The File Server we used was an Altos 986 (8086 10 MHz)
12:00 Those multi-medium cards have to be configured from the dos configuration utility to switch to the AUI or BNC port, it usually does not do it automagically in DOS/Win3/Win9x. In WinNT4+ you can go into the hardware parameters for the device (where you set the duplex and speed etc.) and change the interface medium there without rebooting.
On Linux you can use "ethtool -s eth0 port bnc" to change the medium, and add i to /etc/rc.local /etc/rc.start or equivalent if needed.
Commented and subbed. Hope you keep doing your thing
10BASE2 was a pain at LAN parties (but still better than a null modem cable 😉). Took an hour to get working properly (because someone brought the wrong/broken cables). If someone new wanted to join everyone had to stop, because the whole network went down. And every once in a while you had to repeat the whole debugging procedure, because someone damaged a cable by rolling over it with a chair or pinching it in a door without noticing bringing the whole network down.
I think many spectators need similar video with DOS and LANtastic (or NetWare) on NE2000 (ISA card) as real old 90's Network!
this how we laned back in the day...using ipx and coax...even ran the cables outside the building since we where all neighbors...also just do a fdisk repair on the mbr...also does the aptiva have a restore partition for factory reset?
ProTip from a dinosaur and building on your advice of copying your Windows installation CD to the hard drive...
If you use DOS to copy the disc to your hard drive into a folder such as C:\WIN98 or C:\WIN95 and then run Setup.exe from that folder, it will never even ask for the disc. It will just automatically pull from the .cab files stored in the folder from where you ran setup.
watching this video feeling like you live in early 2000
Vintage networking is almost more interesting than the PCs themselves!
Interesting setup
Wave reflection on a transmission line is a helluva thing.
That was the real Windows 98 experience. At that time I switched from Amiga to Win98.
After being annoyed with it for half a year, I switched to Windows 2000.
Then to Win XP and than to Win 7.
BTW, 10BASE-T isn't dead. It's still used in some industrial computing environments. I'm designing a new product at work right now that has a 10BASE-T port.
If you take the termination off, packets get lost? Do they fall out of the cable? 😜
Actually the opposite, the unterminated end acts like a mirror and reflects the signals back into the cable which wreaks all sorts of havok
It applies to wide range of buses and frankly physical phenomenon. You have to have a resistor bridging positive and negative wire to stop reflections happening where impedance changes discontinuously
Very cool! You might want to actually run a liveCD Anti-virus on that 98 machine though haha.
1:11 Baseband does not mean that only one packet can be send at a time. What about 10GBase-T?
Baseband (in contrast to broadband) is the "natural" frequency range of the signal.
In broadband the information (or signal) is modulated into a different frequency range. That is what Base means.
FM Radio is where the frequency of your voice is modulated into the FM frequency range. It is in the name: modulation. The frequency of your radio station is the carrier wave. (FM radio is in a certain way "multiplexing", because there are different radio stations on different frequencies.)
So, in 10BaseT (or 5 or 2) the frequency range of the signal is not changed. The signal is not modulated onto a lets say 104.5 MHz carrier wave.
Hah, used a lot of coax! By the time we started moving to RJ45 I repurposed some cabling to use from my 1st floor to my neighbour on the 3rd (replacing a serial cable that would not go over 9600bps and jumping to 10Mbps just like that)
Great video! Thanks for making it
Good thing we don't have to deal with this anymore, terminating cat cable is a breeze compared to this
10base5, thicknet, generally went up the building, though a riser, with taps, often called vampire taps, with a transceiver, which then connected to the 10base2 for that floor. You might have bridges which could connect multiple 10base2 networks, before accessing the thicknet, if you had multiple classrooms on a floor, each with their own thinnet segment. Definitely earlier cards were a pain, you had to set DMA and IRQ via jumpers.
Dude, are you sure you don't have a virus on that Aptiva? Just a thought...
now time for a docsis network :3
this was very interesting. hope you get the 4th computer up and running!
Funny to see you working on that. as a side note : Just copy the cab files from the win98 cd and set the windows setup location to the new folder in the register. With the command winipcfg you can see the nic information. Thanks for the video.
Hit up dmesg if a network card doesn't show in Linux. The driver will output some info. Also ifconfig -a may show the interface if it's unconfigured
Keep up with the good videos bro! 🙂❤️
FUNFact: They are not called dump loads, they are 50-ohm terminating resistors.
26:43 "If you do not have disk management or security softwarer installed, scan *you* computer for viruses."
Way to go Microsoft! 😂
Question @ 2:06 what tts is that? I understand that some older 2M repeaters around me use this voice and female voice but I can’t figure out if it’s pre generated or generated on a box / software. Do you have any idea where I can get ahold of this voice?
The voice is from a Texas Instruments TMC0281 and are all pre-generated with a vocabulary of about 750 words, I ripped this voice off the TI voice chip in my CAT-1000 repeater controller
@@Ionic1k Okay, Thank you.
these videos actually teach me quite a bit about computing history. thank you ionic1k 😊
Problem with this approach is that much of the information in this video is factually incorrect. Be careful with what you "learn" from random RUclips videos.
@truectl bruh. at least i learn about the history.
I collected a bunch of coax ethernet stuff (T's, cables) they were throwing out at work, then someone else scrapped it before I could bring it home. I have a hub with a coax connection plus some cards with coax jacks
We used to have 10Base2 around our house until 2001. God forbid you started burning CD and someone else accessed server. Another frisbee...
do you think you could do a video talking about your SDR setup and what it can do? I want to get into SDR
10BASE5 next?
I’m sorry, 10base2 I haven’t seen that in a long time. Man the modern-day ethernet cable or category cables are literally a game changer like a revolutionary invention in the world of well computers and networking. 😂😊
21:41 percussion method fixes everything for sure
3:10 Terminators, not dummy loads. While they’re fundamentally the same thing, in standard terminology dummy loads are intended to dissipate large amounts of RF energy, while terminators are low-energy devices that serve only to terminate transmission lines to avoid reflections. In IT terminology of the time, “terminator” is the only term used for them.
Don’t connect a 50Ohm to 75Ohm connector. The center pin is a different diameter to ensure the impedances. The male 50Ohm is ‘thicker’ and connected to female 75Ohm connector. Will ‘spread’ the center pin 75 ohm making it not useable and ‘broken’.
Where did you find a network switch that supports this? Ive done some looking and they are considerably more expensive than even similar spec modern ones for some reason.
The hub im using here i found at a thrift store, you can find some on ebay if you search "10BASE hub"
What if you really have a virus? Have you tried to check the HDD with a modern antivirus? And to rewrite the MBR I guess booting from a clean boot floppy and run fdisk/mbr would erase ant boot virus
Still called "ethernet"...
Also, on our repeater we call that interference, "jamming"...
We always referred to your "dummy loads" as "terminators". EDIT: disregard, you got it.
banger intro! 2:04
aah this is the good stuff
27:30 At Norton: "Dude can you f*ck off!" lol yelled that so many times in the 90's at Norton. Absolutely hated that software and it was preinstalled on a ton of retail PC's during the Win 98 era.
I first played doom with some of my friends om a 10base2 network.. also we tried to filesharing via Windows95 (possibly 98).. it was hard to set up for a 14/15 year old
Can you extract that IBM background and put it on internet archive?
So how are the Capacitors in that Dimension lol surprised its still running. Well it was mostly the Clam Shell ones where the caps died. The normal desktop ones like that would run longer.
But very cool video. I remember as a kid wondering WTH those BNC connectors were and i used to think the other port was a Game Port hahahaha
Nice SDR++
Please make more vidoes!!! You should get an iMac G3 PowerPC, you'll like it and it's super fun to use. JUST MAKE MORE VIDEOS PLEASE!!!
Riva TNT2 was my first GPU :)
The TNT2 is not a GPU. The first GPU was the GeForce 256.
@@nilswegner2881 It's a card with a VGA connector that my computer needed to display graphical data and had a chip on it that handled all the processing necessary. It's a GPU as far as I and common speech cares.
Giving me some comptia flashbacks lol
uhoh caught a glimpse of a Fortinet, are you aware of the recent breach? Probably doesn't impact you if that's just for your retro network, but there have been a few events the past few months with Fortinet devices, they are/were compromised.
I use it only to isolate my windows machine from the rest of my network, I have been aware of the breach and I'm looking in to getting another SFF machine to run OPNSense instead :)
How did you get your Indigo?