@@JJones2924he’s the perfect bridge between generations ago when the known outdoorsmen were writers and the current generation where they are RUclipsrs. He knows how to express his knowledge in a palatable way to a huge range of people. Hunting desperately needs him and others like him, right now
I’m a Native American living in South Dakota, and I’ve heard it a billion times. We’re Asian that crossed the Bering strait. But idk I’ve always found it hard to believe that from Alaska all the way down to Chile in South America that ABSOLUTELY NOBODY lived here. It was just vacant. If my ancestors crossed the Bering strait fine, but I think it goes back further than that.
What an interesting lineage to belong to if accurate though, I wouldn't be surprised at all if perhaps Polynesian type peoples from the middle of the Pacific had at some stage landed and maybe even thrived in South America at one point in time but genetic testing suggests even if that did happen they did not survive long term for whatever reason, its all fascinating stuff to think about.
@@MrOrionpax Not likely considering there are no apes at all in the America's, it's feasible we evolved somewhere in Eurasia and spread from there, that was an initial hypothesis before genetic testing showed both the highest genetic diversity coming from within Africa aswell as complete lack of Denisovan and Neanderhal admixture within those populations, if the ancestors of Africans had migrated to Africa this wouldn't be possible. Even Aboriginal Australians are mixed, it is however definitely the case that people have been in the Americas longer than is taught, but who? How did they arrive, when and why did they disappear? Those are the real questions.
Native Americans always been here. From the beginning of time. The bridge is this the way of the white people trying to take our lands. It's in our creation stories. Play go away back before the Bible. If anything Life begins here migrated South though the Americas to Africa
The sea faring idea matches with ideas of how ancient Indonesian people got to Australia as well. Using a combination of land bridges and boats. It makes sense that similarly advanced people would do it a similar way based on the limits of the available technology of their time.
yea the animals back then were somethin else too giant fucking bears and cats and mammoths giant cave sloth amazing time to be alive until u have to fight one.
"Early humans journeyed from North America to South America by following coastal and inland routes, navigating diverse terrains like mountains, deserts, and rainforests. This migration likely occurred over thousands of years, with groups adapting to new environments as they expanded into the southern continent." Joe: What's crazy is they have monkey's down there...that's what's crazy.
@@SillyGooseOnTheLoose415 .. Yep, he's not thinking (straight/well), he is pretty thick and gullible though. Closer shorelines, and massive tangled messes of trees and seaweed forming rafts, or via the Northern land bridge but we haven't found the fossils along the route as they were TOO RARE until they got to their preferred jungle environment where they then thrived enough to leave a fossil record.
1. First Group went quickly down the coasts made it all the way to Peru and eventually portions crossed the Andes into the Amazon. 2. Second wave filled in behind through Continental North America into down into Mesoamerica.
You realize the current theory is that new world monkeys are direct descendants of old world monkeys from Africa and that they got to the new world on rafts accidentally? That’s pretty fucking interesting to me.
I've always wondered why a land bridge was necessary for humans to cross. Ancient people knew how to make boats and canoes. It's logical they rowed across and kept following food.
It may be because it was just a bit too cold and the waters a bit too gnarly that far north for people to just row aimlessly into the unknown. Then the further south you go, the further it is between land masses. It might not be too complicated, but we always believe SOMEONE must have tried. Maybe they did. But it would have taken an awful lot of someones for us to actually discover a trace of them that would change the science.
@@idgaf1241 it’s not a stretch. Look up Trudeau’s mom’s relationship with Fidel, then look at pictures of Trudeau alongside Castro. Then look at the man who is supposedly Trudeau’s dad. Just look into it and make your own conclusion but I’m convinced.
No he’s Christian now and that theory is the devil people didn’t live past 6,000 years ago and America didn’t exist until that Christian Spaniards came here bruv. You need Jesus .
So glad Steve brought up the Solutrean hypothesis. Mainstream wants to ignore it but you can't ignore fact that Solutrean culture of Europe was found in North America. This would be like landing on the moon to find a Coke bottle.
Yeah it's a stupid unaccepted theory for a reason. Genetics and linguistics are far superior metrics for evidence than vague and obscure archaeological findings.
I lived in Alaska...If youre aware of the terrain, youd know that travel by foot would be an extremely difficult task with massive mountains and rivers to cross for much of the route. The place I lived in Alaska, there werent even any moose, caribou or elk, as the terrain is too difficult to make the trip there. The coastlines are covered in food sources and the water abundant with fish, shellfish, plants, seals, birds. I went on a number of fishing trips along the coast and we caught loads of fish, crabs, shrimp, gathered kelp and bladderwrack. The place I lived was close to the water, and there were abundant berries, mushrooms, edible and medicinal plants. When I went into the forests off the coast line in the interior....its some serious tough trekking where going in a straight line is often next to impossible, weaving around every sort of land and water obstacle. In addition, you can go hours without seeing anything living, and the forests little to eat. Imagining the process of slowly migrating, generation after generation so far until your descendants numbered in the millions in settlements all along the way, and building empires is really fun.
i'm not much of a rogan fan anymore but do appreciate when he gives intelligent folks exposure on his platform. i think that the kelp road theory makes a lot of sense as does the southern pacific seafarers theory and the other theories that suggest that several seafaring people reached America thousands of years before clovis
5:30 "what's wild is there's monkeys down there" this really shows how little JR understands about what his guest is talking about. New World Monkeys are separated from Old World Monkeys by 40 million years - his guest is talking about something that happened less than 15,000 years ago. The migratory time scales are completely different worlds
He doesn’t claim to be smart if he didn’t say anything for every guest he couldn’t understand then that side of the desk would be quite a lot. He is ostensibly still an interviewer and is really just throwing stuff out to keep the conversation going and on track. If it’s dumb then the guest just ignores.
Julie Ryder at Montana megaliths has been the one to find many megaliths in Montana. She has some out there ideas for some formations, but Giants playground is an awesome one. My boyfriend filmed her shots of the sage wall and some other dolmens for her! She has been sharing about these spots for years before wandering wolf came and brought them more mainstream. Could be a cool and out there episode to have her on. (:
Steve is amazing but evidence suggests that modern humans trekked into Europe in three waves between 54,000 and 42,000 years ago, not 70,000 years ago.
Only a modern person would say, could you imagine stumbling onto a continent, like they had a concept of what a continent was. It’s like walking through plains and then come up on the mountains and keep going til you hit something else. It’s just different terrain. They were curious but probably very cautious about going through unknown terrain. So they went down the coast and would probably venture out a bit then get back in and keep going. They probably realized the further south they went that it got warmer and then found better terrain to venture into. I wouldn’t think it would be any different than when the Europeans arrived. Move slowly, send people ahead to survey terrain and possible dangers, migrate and settle. As more and more people from the original lands found out, more and more came. It’s really not hard to imagine human migration behavior.
That wall is natural, geologists proved it’s natural by measuring the stones magnetic fields which are all lined up one direction when the stone is formed naturally. If it was constructed each stone would have a magnetic field pointing in different directions because they were placed by humans.
This past year in the spring of 2024 I went for the first time to Louisiana to visit a family member who wasn’t doing well while staying the week he told us we should go visit a place a few miles down the street called poverty point. I’ve never heard of this UNESCO World Heritage Site. 1700-1100 BC and how the people built these raised living areas Hand by hand and basketful by basketful, men and women shaped nearly 2 million cubic yards of soil into stunning landscapes. The result was a massive 72-foot-tall mound, enormous concentric half-circles and related earthworks that dwarfed every other earthen monument site for 2,200 years
Polynesians only started sailing around 3,000 years ago and reached Easter island between AD 300 - 1200. So if they ever did make it across it would’ve been around 800 years ago, way too late to form the founding population of native Americans. Instead far more likely people from Japan followed the kelp forests along what is today the Aleutian Islands and down the PNW coast.
@@greasher926 Eurocentric conclusions/theories about indigenous ppls origins and migrational waves is so silly sometimes because the Luzia women who I believe is one of the oldest found skeletons in the Americas (9,500 BC) has dark brown skin and curly hair and has a phenotype that resembles modern day Fijians, Papuans and other Austro-Melanesian groups
@@topfinesser3328 Australo-Melanesians originated from Southeast Asia, Native Americans probably did have a common ancestor with them. My main disagreement is that that they didn’t sail across the south Pacific to get there, or at the very least were not the first wave, since the Pacific islands were only settled within the last few thousand years, timelines don’t add up. Far more likely is that they would’ve sailed north hugging the coast line, especially since Asia and the Americas were already connected, to any person traveling through Beringia it would’ve appeared to have been just one large landmass.
@@greasher926 You're correct about the multiple waves of asians traveling east, and I kind of see where the confusion lies and its mainly due to our gaps/lack of connective timeline research of specific groups. To give more clarity on my previous post, seems like you're speaking of tonga and samoa groups who settled Polynesia in relatively recent times, but the Pre-Austronesians were the first wave of sea-faring humans settling Asia and surrounding islands, even as far north as Japan around 40,000-50,000 years ago (Negritos & Paupans represent unmixed descendants). If they could cross the Pacific to settle remote islands, its possible they could have reached the Americas. A 2020 study found genetic links between Indigenous people in the Amazon and populations in Papua New Guinea and Australia, suggesting an ancient migration.This connection would make more sense timeline wise IMO, but research following that wave is slim :/
We do know that what we call "Indigenous" people of North America share common DNA with people from northern Asia. New theories say they didn't come to N. America until maybe 1500 years ago and wiped out the people that were already here through war and inbreeding. These current "indigenous" people share part of the DNA of those people too to a small extent.
@@77drisgoogle the mashpee wampanoag tribe and shinnecock Indians if you want to see REAL American Indians! The first people Europeans met when they first reached New England were indigenous to nowhere else but north america
I remember in my history classes in college talking about the different theory's for how people came to north America. Theres likely multiple origins of how humans migrated to north America.
There is. I've noticed there is also a lot we do know which commenters on JRE videos, and guests on the JRE, don't know. Many things they think are mysteries are not.
@GhostofTradition that's not a problem, that is how science works. Nothing is scientific until it is verified using the scientific method. It is their job to resist the urge to speculate. As non-scientists, we can speculate all we want, but they aren't allowed to co-sign it, that would be unscientific.
@ Yes they are a little high on their own supply and think they are the only people who get to speak. In that respect they are wrong, in fact they are speaking too much. All they should be doing is science, which is just scientific studies where they harvest data.
The Cerutti Mastodon site is a paleontological and possible archeological site in San Diego County, California. In 2017, broken mastodon bones at the site were dated to around 130,700 years ago. The bones were found with cobblestones displaying use-wear and impact marks among the otherwise fine-grain sands.
I heard about these theories 10+ years ago. Heard that many Algonquin peoples come from Indo-Europeans who followed a kelp highway along the northern Atlantic. The tools of east Coast ancient Americans closer resemble those of protoindoEuropeans.
Love the conversations between Steve and Joe but can we talk about what happened to the “All the Stars in Sky” documentary Steve had on Netflix. A great documentary on the importance of hunters and the impact of conservation. The documentary simply “went away” and can’t be found anywhere with little to no explanation as to why.
Read the Louis and Clarke journals. They hypothesisised that the Native Americans came from "Kamkatcha" region,and that they most likely came over in waves some being way older some being very recent. Argument was based on linguistic, cultural,phenotypical, folklore etc evidence. They foretold the discovery of the "Berring straight" geography, claiming that it would be discovered that there was once an easily traversed passage before the area had been mapped as such. They did not rule out other" minority groups " having arrived in the America's from various other locations, but held that the majority population was definately of the" Kamkatcha" type. They even reported a known /documented case of a native woman kidnapped in the America's by Natives and traded over islands ending up in" kamkatcha",suggesting continued limited contact. They did this all on direct observation without much of the science we had today, they did, however, have the advantage if interacting with many native groups at a time of rich folklore and origin stories some of which are quite remarkable. Like a story of having originated in a far off land with much tribal conflict and having island hopped to the America's as the seas rose to cover islands making it difficult to retrace steps back. These and other interesting interactions are ducumented in the journals/books of the expedition.
Check out Bruce Fenton’s Out of Australia hypothesis. Admittedly, I haven’t studied enough to flesh it out, but he makes some opening points that are pretty interesting. There’s videos here on RUclips covering it.
@@crvenazvezda1575yes lol. The geneology points towards modern Africans having less Neanderthal and denisovan remnant’s in their dna compared to other parts of the world pointing towards Africa being a genesis point with the people that left breeding with foreign peoples like the denisovans
@ Newer studies show Western Africans have more Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA than once thought, ranging from 5-19%. It depends where in Africa but there was genetic intermingling between hominins.
I don’t get why they ran so hard with Beringia over Kelp Highway hypothesis when for years they’ve had the remains of Arlington Springs Man found on the California Channel Islands that are 13,000 years old. So they had to have known there were Mariners in America at that time. And interestingly, that was during the Ice Age, so I think that’s when the northern Channel Islands off the coast of Ventura and Santa Barbara were one giant island with pygmy mammoths on it. The one thing that trips me out, though, is how they find Austronesian DNA in South American samples that are hella old. Some propose that when the landmasses were bigger, early peoples were able to hug the coast from Austronesia all the way to South America in some way.
Its true... what's weird is completely losing knowledge known world wide and our historians knowing nothing about how these buildings were constructed and some old guy figuring it out in his back yard
Most natives of the Americas came over through the Pacific Ocean Mountains that were exposed due to the large lakes that held back water, not by glaciers. Glaciers don’t have water nor food for the journey, and everything has to drink and eat something to be mobile for long distances. Eskimo came by boat later, before the ice-age.
They came in waves at different times following the Caribu heards over the ice into North America. I believe that people always stuck to coast lines. So much easy food from the sea.
No they sailed from mainland asia the native new Zealand people/Polynesians are related and have similar dna and language as native Taiwanese. @@OasisProducti0ns
Just because there are some older sites, doesn't mean the land bridge wasn't a thing. It just hints that there may have been others who came before, through other means. Or they could have came across Bering Strait like we believe, but instead of a slow spread out North to South, maybe some groups made boats and just road the coast and rivers down. Instead of taking a thousand years of gradual migration it was done in a year or two. WHO knows.
The Pacific Ocean is merciless and unforgiving. It is highly unlikely a significant number of natives with supplies could have somehow made it across these oceans There's some of that common sense that's missing. I'm sitting here 200 yd from Cook inlet in Alaska where Captain Cook attempted to find a shortcut going up Cook inlet and got stuck He nearly perished. These currents are some of the strongest currents in the world to the point where everything looks like it's been through a rock tumbler. We don't have pretty shells. But we do have Beach call that you can burn in your stove, there are constant earthquakes under the Northwest Pacific that it turns up so deep in the earth that it brings up cold that's probably just a few million years away from being diamonds and South Pacific is treacherous Using common sense, knowing what difficulty they had in the 1700- 1800s getting through these Waters and the majority of ships were lost So that's the type of common sense that needs to be inserted into these theories - and that's when archeology switches over to anthropologie. Realistically, how did humans actually survive on a daily basis.. Not just looking at eras of human existence.
@@TheFoolintherainn We know very well that Polynesians' sailed nearly the entire Pacific Ocean. To the point there's evidence they landed in South America and even traded (look into it, it's interesting) Sure, huge divergence in time period. I'm not even really talking about that though. I'm just talking about sailing down the coast from Cali to Mexico or Chile etc. That's a good way to get people further South sooner than the theories believe is possible. But I've always believed humans likely were more advanced (not like, skyscrapers and fusion tech) but were more advanced than we have evidence for, and we downgraded at some point.
@jonny-b4954 I love this conversation! Everybody's bringing in something they've seen or heard, because the designers of History are not giving us straight answers on this... This is a great conversation 👍
@ If I could provide links in youtube I'd give you evidence but if your are actually interested in the topic you could google "Kelp Highway" and "Coastal Migration of Native Americans". There is more than enough evidence, more discoveries are being found as time moves on.
Last hunting season, on two different hunts, i found a spearhead on each hike. They are 10,000 yrs old and possibly 13,000 yrs old. Incredible feeling stumbling on something like that.
@ that's why i gave a rough time, within a few thousand years. one can learn the history of your area, with the ice age. my area, it's deep valleys, etc, that all were ice. as it melted, a massive ice dam further toward the coast held all that water, and the valleys were all one huge lake. the upper portions of the hills/mountains were the only exposed lands. the first peoples walked those areas. and after finding the second one, then researching all this, i checked the elevations of both spots i found the heads, and both spots were the exact same elevation. which i pieced together to realize that that's where they were hunting, was along the shorelines, of what would have been those massive lakes. originally, when i had found the first one, i assumed it was maybe a couple/few hundred years old, and from an indian hunting party, maybe. but researching everything soon made me realize they were much, much earlier than that.
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Its funny, every new "theory" is the absolute correct one. Until the next one of course. And the one after that. Academics do everything possible to prove themselves correct. This is a repeatable fact
Some thoughts: 1. If you've seen the movie Kundun (Dalai Lama movie), you'd swear you're watching North American Indigenous Tribes dancing; it's in Tibet. 2. Not so sure it would be more likely that humans migrated over a super long ice bridge, than the GIANT connected land mass to our North. 3. Weather patterns. How do we know (for_SURE) that all the lush green lands to the South of us, weren't (also) covered in Ice at one time? 4. Humans & Africa; Well, if all land masses were all connected at one time (in History), wouldn't it be more accurate to say: "What is *now* known as Africa." ? 🤔🤔🤔
He mentioned a 70,000 yr old wave of human migration out of africa. At that time, the position of continents was nearly identical to that of today. The existence of any global super continent preceeded that time by many millions of years. It wouldn't take that much effort to inform yourself.
Modern academia has actually moved away from the Bering strait theory. The current thesis is that it wasn’t a strait the proto-americans used rather the mini continent“Beringia”
Few places on Earth have conditions to preserve corpses. There is a lot we'll never know about our origins. The idea that we all came from somewhere in Africa is ridiculous. Far too many genetic differences.
There's a place in Texas that's named after it's buried ancient wall. They finally proved it was naturally made. Im sure it's the same with the one in Montana.
Rinella is one of my all time favorite rogan guests. His knowledge of American wildlife and history is astounding, as is his ability to convey it.
He’s a great storyteller. I always enjoy his stuff
@@JJones2924he’s the perfect bridge between generations ago when the known outdoorsmen were writers and the current generation where they are RUclipsrs. He knows how to express his knowledge in a palatable way to a huge range of people. Hunting desperately needs him and others like him, right now
And never forget - he is whip smart!
I bought his American Buffalo in the audiobook because of that. I love history and when he’s talking about all of this has me hanging on every word.
Evidence suggests that modern humans trekked into Europe in three waves between 54,000 and 42,000 years ago, not 70,000 years ago.
I’m a Native American living in South Dakota, and I’ve heard it a billion times. We’re Asian that crossed the Bering strait. But idk I’ve always found it hard to believe that from Alaska all the way down to Chile in South America that ABSOLUTELY NOBODY lived here. It was just vacant. If my ancestors crossed the Bering strait fine, but I think it goes back further than that.
What an interesting lineage to belong to if accurate though, I wouldn't be surprised at all if perhaps Polynesian type peoples from the middle of the Pacific had at some stage landed and maybe even thrived in South America at one point in time but genetic testing suggests even if that did happen they did not survive long term for whatever reason, its all fascinating stuff to think about.
Watch to find out its the other way around you all started here an went there and thrived so now it just looks like the older one
I agree.
@@MrOrionpax Not likely considering there are no apes at all in the America's, it's feasible we evolved somewhere in Eurasia and spread from there, that was an initial hypothesis before genetic testing showed both the highest genetic diversity coming from within Africa aswell as complete lack of Denisovan and Neanderhal admixture within those populations, if the ancestors of Africans had migrated to Africa this wouldn't be possible. Even Aboriginal Australians are mixed, it is however definitely the case that people have been in the Americas longer than is taught, but who? How did they arrive, when and why did they disappear? Those are the real questions.
Native Americans always been here. From the beginning of time. The bridge is this the way of the white people trying to take our lands. It's in our creation stories. Play go away back before the Bible. If anything Life begins here migrated South though the Americas to Africa
The sea faring idea matches with ideas of how ancient Indonesian people got to Australia as well. Using a combination of land bridges and boats. It makes sense that similarly advanced people would do it a similar way based on the limits of the available technology of their time.
‘Please ignore his nose ring’ 😂
Can you imagine the salmon runs back then. During spawning season you could literally stumble upon a goldmine for your people.
@@taylordezotelle2043 one hiccup that period GOLD was more useless than dirt to them
There was no imaginary concept of A PRECIOUS ROCK worth killing for, killing with mmmmh maybe
Imagine the bears and wolfs
yea the animals back then were somethin else too giant fucking bears and cats and mammoths giant cave sloth amazing time to be alive until u have to fight one.
In Salmon Idaho they walked their horses across the Salmon in the river during the 1800s. This gave the name to the town.
"Early humans journeyed from North America to South America by following coastal and inland routes, navigating diverse terrains like mountains, deserts, and rainforests. This migration likely occurred over thousands of years, with groups adapting to new environments as they expanded into the southern continent."
Joe: What's crazy is they have monkey's down there...that's what's crazy.
He is rather thick, it has to be said!
@@PrivateSi....He's not thick he's just stoned as shit..😂😂
@@SillyGooseOnTheLoose415 .. Yep, he's not thinking (straight/well), he is pretty thick and gullible though. Closer shorelines, and massive tangled messes of trees and seaweed forming rafts, or via the Northern land bridge but we haven't found the fossils along the route as they were TOO RARE until they got to their preferred jungle environment where they then thrived enough to leave a fossil record.
1. First Group went quickly down the coasts made it all the way to Peru and eventually portions crossed the Andes into the Amazon.
2. Second wave filled in behind through Continental North America into down into Mesoamerica.
You realize the current theory is that new world monkeys are direct descendants of old world monkeys from Africa and that they got to the new world on rafts accidentally? That’s pretty fucking interesting to me.
I've always wondered why a land bridge was necessary for humans to cross. Ancient people knew how to make boats and canoes. It's logical they rowed across and kept following food.
It may be because it was just a bit too cold and the waters a bit too gnarly that far north for people to just row aimlessly into the unknown. Then the further south you go, the further it is between land masses. It might not be too complicated, but we always believe SOMEONE must have tried. Maybe they did. But it would have taken an awful lot of someones for us to actually discover a trace of them that would change the science.
The Coastal rainforest of Vancouver Island and Western B.C would have been unreal and the massive tree canopy a dramatic ecological game changer 🤯
Who here thinks Justin Trudeau is gay? 🙋🏻♂️
Well good sir... Melania might smile wryley at your little comment there😘
You mean Justin Castro?
Castros son?
You really need to touch grass and be less weird.
@@idgaf1241 it’s not a stretch. Look up Trudeau’s mom’s relationship with Fidel, then look at pictures of Trudeau alongside Castro. Then look at the man who is supposedly Trudeau’s dad. Just look into it and make your own conclusion but I’m convinced.
please get someone on the show to talk about the Indo-Europeans, Joe would go crazy for that shit
Get Robert Sepher on
No he’s Christian now and that theory is the devil people didn’t live past 6,000 years ago and America didn’t exist until that Christian Spaniards came here bruv. You need Jesus .
@@lilSenDogwhat
@@fergalmawwe don’t need that racist spreading lies.
For what? They are extremely new in terms of human history and didn’t do anything spectacular
People were here long before the “gap”. About time history caught up. Nice episode.
Even my wife likes listening to meat eater podcast, just to listen to Steve explain hunting/history
The land bridge wasn’t like a passageway as much as just more land people lived lifetimes on.
Like Doggerland
@@NoDaysOff-oz2zlyeah Berengia was a massive area of land for a long time before it gradually became submerged by melting glaciers
So glad Steve brought up the Solutrean hypothesis. Mainstream wants to ignore it but you can't ignore fact that Solutrean culture of Europe was found in North America. This would be like landing on the moon to find a Coke bottle.
Not nearly as well known as the SoulTrain hypothesis, which helps explain the origins of super-wide lapels and platform shoes.
the thing is genetics dont match on that theory
all the dna data collected points to asia origins
Yeah it's a stupid unaccepted theory for a reason. Genetics and linguistics are far superior metrics for evidence than vague and obscure archaeological findings.
@@NikoMoraKamunative Americans don’t just share Asian dna, also Siberian “white dna”.
Cut it out immigrant... you want to have ties to the aboriginals
I love Steve so much. A credible guest who knows his shit.
I lived in Alaska...If youre aware of the terrain, youd know that travel by foot would be an extremely difficult task with massive mountains and rivers to cross for much of the route. The place I lived in Alaska, there werent even any moose, caribou or elk, as the terrain is too difficult to make the trip there.
The coastlines are covered in food sources and the water abundant with fish, shellfish, plants, seals, birds. I went on a number of fishing trips along the coast and we caught loads of fish, crabs, shrimp, gathered kelp and bladderwrack. The place I lived was close to the water, and there were abundant berries, mushrooms, edible and medicinal plants.
When I went into the forests off the coast line in the interior....its some serious tough trekking where going in a straight line is often next to impossible, weaving around every sort of land and water obstacle. In addition, you can go hours without seeing anything living, and the forests little to eat.
Imagining the process of slowly migrating, generation after generation so far until your descendants numbered in the millions in settlements all along the way, and building empires is really fun.
This is it. Rinella knows his stuff.
i'm not much of a rogan fan anymore but do appreciate when he gives intelligent folks exposure on his platform. i think that the kelp road theory makes a lot of sense as does the southern pacific seafarers theory and the other theories that suggest that several seafaring people reached America thousands of years before clovis
The Joe Rogan “That’s What’s Wild” Experience
There's monkeys down there 🤔
5:30 "what's wild is there's monkeys down there" this really shows how little JR understands about what his guest is talking about. New World Monkeys are separated from Old World Monkeys by 40 million years - his guest is talking about something that happened less than 15,000 years ago. The migratory time scales are completely different worlds
Yeup. This was a typical Joe comment. "Hey, Jaime, pull up that video of an orangutan fishing with a spear."
He doesn’t claim to be smart if he didn’t say anything for every guest he couldn’t understand then that side of the desk would be quite a lot. He is ostensibly still an interviewer and is really just throwing stuff out to keep the conversation going and on track. If it’s dumb then the guest just ignores.
@@unclezero7639 These people literally expect him to be a journalist... he's just an average person having a conversation that's it
Julie Ryder at Montana megaliths has been the one to find many megaliths in Montana. She has some out there ideas for some formations, but Giants playground is an awesome one. My boyfriend filmed her shots of the sage wall and some other dolmens for her! She has been sharing about these spots for years before wandering wolf came and brought them more mainstream. Could be a cool and out there episode to have her on. (:
Any “structure” of stone that doesn’t fit the narrative is natural.
imagine a film set where all continents hadnt been discovered yet and somebody accidentally drifts on the ocean to one
It has to be the Polynesian sailors that arrived first. Those guys know how to sail.
Not any more. And had stopped long before any European arrival in that part of the world.
He’s absolutely right !!!!!!! The land bridge is a fib
Most of history is bunk
I never did believe in the yellow brick road 😂
Steve is amazing guest knows his stuff about most thing digs deep
Steve is amazing but evidence suggests that modern humans trekked into Europe in three waves between 54,000 and 42,000 years ago, not 70,000 years ago.
Only a modern person would say, could you imagine stumbling onto a continent, like they had a concept of what a continent was. It’s like walking through plains and then come up on the mountains and keep going til you hit something else. It’s just different terrain. They were curious but probably very cautious about going through unknown terrain. So they went down the coast and would probably venture out a bit then get back in and keep going. They probably realized the further south they went that it got warmer and then found better terrain to venture into. I wouldn’t think it would be any different than when the Europeans arrived. Move slowly, send people ahead to survey terrain and possible dangers, migrate and settle. As more and more people from the original lands found out, more and more came. It’s really not hard to imagine human migration behavior.
You're right.
only a modern person would comment all this thinking anyone else cares enough to read it lol
@@joeg255 your mom seems to enjoy my company.
People were here before, by boat, then more came via land bridge.
Carol Baskins ancestors? 6:15
That wall is natural, geologists proved it’s natural by measuring the stones magnetic fields which are all lined up one direction when the stone is formed naturally. If it was constructed each stone would have a magnetic field pointing in different directions because they were placed by humans.
WRONG
@ ok why are geologists WRONG 🤡
@ so the geologists are wrong ? Why ?
No way that is natural!
I’d love to hear 3 hours of Robert sehper on Rogan. You want some dna backed anthropology? He’s your guy.
Yeah but his hypotheses are pretty far out there.
@ thought provoking more than anything. Backed by dna evidence adds some weight to the arguments.
the first search that comes up is "Fairy Folk of New Zealand". Yeah, idk about that one 😂🤣
@@surfingtothestarsLook into bud
Shepher is a racist
This past year in the spring of 2024 I went for the first time to Louisiana to visit a family member who wasn’t doing well while staying the week he told us we should go visit a place a few miles down the street called poverty point. I’ve never heard of this UNESCO World Heritage Site. 1700-1100 BC and how the people built these raised living areas Hand by hand and basketful by basketful, men and women shaped nearly 2 million cubic yards of soil into stunning landscapes. The result was a massive 72-foot-tall mound, enormous concentric half-circles and related earthworks that dwarfed every other earthen monument site for 2,200 years
Ever heard of the ones in Indiana?
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How are they so certain that there was actually a gap between the glaciers and they didn't float here on their backs?
Because people sailed from the Polynesian islands before the land bridge ?
Prove it
Polynesians only started sailing around 3,000 years ago and reached Easter island between AD 300 - 1200. So if they ever did make it across it would’ve been around 800 years ago, way too late to form the founding population of native Americans.
Instead far more likely people from Japan followed the kelp forests along what is today the Aleutian Islands and down the PNW coast.
@@greasher926 Eurocentric conclusions/theories about indigenous ppls origins and migrational waves is so silly sometimes because the Luzia women who I believe is one of the oldest found skeletons in the Americas (9,500 BC) has dark brown skin and curly hair and has a phenotype that resembles modern day Fijians, Papuans and other Austro-Melanesian groups
@@topfinesser3328 Australo-Melanesians originated from Southeast Asia, Native Americans probably did have a common ancestor with them. My main disagreement is that that they didn’t sail across the south Pacific to get there, or at the very least were not the first wave, since the Pacific islands were only settled within the last few thousand years, timelines don’t add up. Far more likely is that they would’ve sailed north hugging the coast line, especially since Asia and the Americas were already connected, to any person traveling through Beringia it would’ve appeared to have been just one large landmass.
@@greasher926 You're correct about the multiple waves of asians traveling east, and I kind of see where the confusion lies and its mainly due to our gaps/lack of connective timeline research of specific groups.
To give more clarity on my previous post, seems like you're speaking of tonga and samoa groups who settled Polynesia in relatively recent times, but the Pre-Austronesians were the first wave of sea-faring humans settling Asia and surrounding islands, even as far north as Japan around 40,000-50,000 years ago (Negritos & Paupans represent unmixed descendants). If they could cross the Pacific to settle remote islands, its possible they could have reached the Americas. A 2020 study found genetic links between Indigenous people in the Amazon and populations in Papua New Guinea and Australia, suggesting an ancient migration.This connection would make more sense timeline wise IMO, but research following that wave is slim :/
What if Africa wasn’t the place where modern humans came from
This guy gets it! 🤝
Very possible, but potentially "problematic"
Well most modern humans that aren’t African are mixed with Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA that they got after they left Africa, so you’re kinda right
We do know that what we call "Indigenous" people of North America share common DNA with people from northern Asia. New theories say they didn't come to N. America until maybe 1500 years ago and wiped out the people that were already here through war and inbreeding. These current "indigenous" people share part of the DNA of those people too to a small extent.
@@77drisgoogle the mashpee wampanoag tribe and shinnecock Indians if you want to see REAL American Indians! The first people Europeans met when they first reached New England were indigenous to nowhere else but north america
I remember in my history classes in college talking about the different theory's for how people came to north America. Theres likely multiple origins of how humans migrated to north America.
"oldest KNOWN sites"
There is a lot we don't know.
Big problem with archeology, if they didn't find it, it doesn't exist
There is. I've noticed there is also a lot we do know which commenters on JRE videos, and guests on the JRE, don't know. Many things they think are mysteries are not.
@GhostofTradition that's not a problem, that is how science works. Nothing is scientific until it is verified using the scientific method. It is their job to resist the urge to speculate. As non-scientists, we can speculate all we want, but they aren't allowed to co-sign it, that would be unscientific.
@@Demion83 it's the arrogance with which they proclam the "truth"
@ Yes they are a little high on their own supply and think they are the only people who get to speak. In that respect they are wrong, in fact they are speaking too much. All they should be doing is science, which is just scientific studies where they harvest data.
The Cerutti Mastodon site is a paleontological and possible archeological site in San Diego County, California. In 2017, broken mastodon bones at the site were dated to around 130,700 years ago. The bones were found with cobblestones displaying use-wear and impact marks among the otherwise fine-grain sands.
Clovis people found the mastodon bones and were making tools with them. It’s well documented
Thanks to CALIFORNIA , GOVT, IT MAY GO AWAY!!!!
I heard about these theories 10+ years ago. Heard that many Algonquin peoples come from Indo-Europeans who followed a kelp highway along the northern Atlantic. The tools of east Coast ancient Americans closer resemble those of protoindoEuropeans.
His info can be so insanely debated
Love the conversations between Steve and Joe but can we talk about what happened to the “All the Stars in Sky” documentary Steve had on Netflix. A great documentary on the importance of hunters and the impact of conservation. The documentary simply “went away” and can’t be found anywhere with little to no explanation as to why.
Steve Rinella is always an insta-click guest
Guy isnt even a scientist. I take what he says with a grain of salt. The out of Africa theory is great disputed.
Yep...And Forrest. So interesting
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He is a hack.
If I had a time machine, we're going to when the construction of the Great pyramid is happening. I NEED to know how they did it
The American sea people who fished. I wonder if they were called the the Blue oyster cult lol 🦦
It was called Quest for More Cowbell.
Read the Louis and Clarke journals. They hypothesisised that the Native Americans came from "Kamkatcha" region,and that they most likely came over in waves some being way older some being very recent. Argument was based on linguistic, cultural,phenotypical, folklore etc evidence. They foretold the discovery of the "Berring straight" geography, claiming that it would be discovered that there was once an easily traversed passage before the area had been mapped as such. They did not rule out other" minority groups " having arrived in the America's from various other locations, but held that the majority population was definately of the" Kamkatcha" type. They even reported a known /documented case of a native woman kidnapped in the America's by Natives and traded over islands ending up in" kamkatcha",suggesting continued limited contact. They did this all on direct observation without much of the science we had today, they did, however, have the advantage if interacting with many native groups at a time of rich folklore and origin stories some of which are quite remarkable. Like a story of having originated in a far off land with much tribal conflict and having island hopped to the America's as the seas rose to cover islands making it difficult to retrace steps back. These and other interesting interactions are ducumented in the journals/books of the expedition.
Kamchatka*
do you mean Kamchatka ?
Kombucha*
Gotta kamkatcha'em all!!
@@johnscanlon2598 yes. Probably. Check the original journals to see which spelling they used.
Did people come down the other coast? This is why the land bridge theory must be maintained.
The glacial ice mass receded the pacific ocean 50+ miles from the current coastline. Start there. They walked on land.
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Mileage isn’t accurate because it’s more of an elevation thing >65’
@@PhillipCarterPearson You are correct. Joe needs all the IQ he can muster.
Check out Bruce Fenton’s Out of Australia hypothesis. Admittedly, I haven’t studied enough to flesh it out, but he makes some opening points that are pretty interesting. There’s videos here on RUclips covering it.
There plain as day used to be a landbridge from Chile to Antarctica, which didn't used to be cold as it has a petrified rainforest underneath the ice
Yeah back in dinosaur days…
The "Out of Africa " theory has been well and truly de-bunked.
not it hasnt its consensus
Oh you just don't like a certain color of people huh
@@NavAK_86 by peers?
@@crvenazvezda1575yes lol. The geneology points towards modern Africans having less Neanderthal and denisovan remnant’s in their dna compared to other parts of the world pointing towards Africa being a genesis point with the people that left breeding with foreign peoples like the denisovans
@ Newer studies show Western Africans have more Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA than once thought, ranging from 5-19%. It depends where in Africa but there was genetic intermingling between hominins.
I don’t get why they ran so hard with Beringia over Kelp Highway hypothesis when for years they’ve had the remains of Arlington Springs Man found on the California Channel Islands that are 13,000 years old. So they had to have known there were Mariners in America at that time. And interestingly, that was during the Ice Age, so I think that’s when the northern Channel Islands off the coast of Ventura and Santa Barbara were one giant island with pygmy mammoths on it. The one thing that trips me out, though, is how they find Austronesian DNA in South American samples that are hella old. Some propose that when the landmasses were bigger, early peoples were able to hug the coast from Austronesia all the way to South America in some way.
Billshit...when that corridor opened up....
There were people here already....
Eventually people will realize that this land has been inhabited for probably millions of years
not by homo sapiens
@@EVANHIRSCHMANGHow dare you assume my categorisation of early humans.
No
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I'm under the impression they may have, come across ice and land bridge across north Atlantic.
There is a guy online that shows how you move big rocks with just small rocks
Its true... what's weird is completely losing knowledge known world wide and our historians knowing nothing about how these buildings were constructed and some old guy figuring it out in his back yard
"jamie pullup the video of the bear that crossed the bearing straight"
We came from Middle Eastern Africa not Sub Sahara Africa...HUGE difference
Robert Sepehr channel has an eye opening video on the out of Africa theory you should check out
@De-probationibus-conspiratio The Bible is very clear
Yes you have idiots out there I think we came from black people🤦😂
Most natives of the Americas came over through the Pacific Ocean Mountains that were exposed due to the large lakes that held back water, not by glaciers. Glaciers don’t have water nor food for the journey, and everything has to drink and eat something to be mobile for long distances.
Eskimo came by boat later, before the ice-age.
“Please excuse his nose ring” 😂😂😂
What’s wild is neither one of these guys recognize that we are in a enclosed system underneath the firmament
MEATEATER!!!!!! I love this guy's show!
Team 11,640 BC checking in! Younger Dryas HOLLA
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9,640 BC.
They came in waves at different times following the Caribu heards over the ice into North America. I believe that people always stuck to coast lines. So much easy food from the sea.
Monta Verde in Chile almost 15,000 years ago. Columbia River drainage Basin. Snake River. Kelp Highways. Sage wall. Awesome Informative Vid!
I'd time machine straight to listen and follow Jesus. The King.
7:08 does anyone else hear a zombie breathing in the background?
I was like wtf till
I heard it
The first people were sea fairing. Yup. That fits. A lot of time on those boats. Plenty of fishing.
Ancient Polynesians and ancient south Americans used the exact same word for sweet potato along with other words. How did this happen
Because the Polynesians sailed from South America or vice versa
No they sailed from mainland asia the native new Zealand people/Polynesians are related and have similar dna and language as native Taiwanese. @@OasisProducti0ns
@@OasisProducti0ns they reached South America and took potatoes back. This isn't new or mysterious.
With their mouth
@ yes
Who’s here 2020?
I'm responding to you in 1994
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My good sir, I reply to you from this, the year of our Lord 1622.
How old is the site in the Grand Canyon? ya know where the military base is
Just because there are some older sites, doesn't mean the land bridge wasn't a thing. It just hints that there may have been others who came before, through other means. Or they could have came across Bering Strait like we believe, but instead of a slow spread out North to South, maybe some groups made boats and just road the coast and rivers down. Instead of taking a thousand years of gradual migration it was done in a year or two. WHO knows.
The Pacific Ocean is merciless and unforgiving.
It is highly unlikely a significant number of natives with supplies could have somehow made it across these oceans
There's some of that common sense that's missing.
I'm sitting here 200 yd from Cook inlet in Alaska where Captain Cook attempted to find a shortcut going up Cook inlet and got stuck
He nearly perished. These currents are some of the strongest currents in the world to the point where everything looks like it's been through a rock tumbler. We don't have pretty shells. But we do have Beach call that you can burn in your stove, there are constant earthquakes under the Northwest Pacific that it turns up so deep in the earth that it brings up cold that's probably just a few million years away from being diamonds
and South Pacific is treacherous
Using common sense, knowing what difficulty they had in the 1700- 1800s getting through these Waters and the majority of ships were lost
So that's the type of common sense that needs to be inserted into these theories - and that's when archeology switches over to anthropologie.
Realistically, how did humans actually survive on a daily basis..
Not just looking at eras of human existence.
@@TheFoolintherainn We know very well that Polynesians' sailed nearly the entire Pacific Ocean. To the point there's evidence they landed in South America and even traded (look into it, it's interesting) Sure, huge divergence in time period. I'm not even really talking about that though. I'm just talking about sailing down the coast from Cali to Mexico or Chile etc. That's a good way to get people further South sooner than the theories believe is possible.
But I've always believed humans likely were more advanced (not like, skyscrapers and fusion tech) but were more advanced than we have evidence for, and we downgraded at some point.
@jonny-b4954 I love this conversation!
Everybody's bringing in something they've seen or heard, because the designers of History are not giving us straight answers on this...
This is a great conversation
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Very interesting
Land bridge theory is proven wrong FINALLY. Graham was way ahead on this.
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No, the land bridge theory is still a good theory. Stop being a simp
In what way?
Graham is a complete hack
Study genetic bloodline tracking and you will uncover there are some truths about indigenous people already in the western hemisphere
Isnt their Polynesian pottery in Chile? I thought the bering Straight Theory was disregarded like 2 decades ago.
Coastline migration was also a thing.
Proof?
It's super easy to use canoes to paddle coastal waters. If the weather gets rough, you just pull into shore. You could make dozens of miles a day.
@@FryingTiger The Haida and other groups use to travel hundreds of miles to pillage.
@ If I could provide links in youtube I'd give you evidence but if your are actually interested in the topic you could google "Kelp Highway" and "Coastal Migration of Native Americans". There is more than enough evidence, more discoveries are being found as time moves on.
The Sage Wall is aligned with the Winter Solstice. I vote MAN MADE!!!
Last hunting season, on two different hunts, i found a spearhead on each hike. They are 10,000 yrs old and possibly 13,000 yrs old.
Incredible feeling stumbling on something like that.
Where at
How did you date them?
There is no way to date spear points unless you dug them out of virgin ground and carbon dated the materials in the same layer which im sure you didnt
@ british columbia
@ that's why i gave a rough time, within a few thousand years.
one can learn the history of your area, with the ice age. my area, it's deep valleys, etc, that all were ice. as it melted, a massive ice dam further toward the coast held all that water, and the valleys were all one huge lake. the upper portions of the hills/mountains were the only exposed lands. the first peoples walked those areas. and after finding the second one, then researching all this, i checked the elevations of both spots i found the heads, and both spots were the exact same elevation. which i pieced together to realize that that's where they were hunting, was along the shorelines, of what would have been those massive lakes.
originally, when i had found the first one, i assumed it was maybe a couple/few hundred years old, and from an indian hunting party, maybe. but researching everything soon made me realize they were much, much earlier than that.
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Well not much excavation going on in Alaska and Canada? As to why one of the oldest sites is in SA?
Its funny, every new "theory" is the absolute correct one. Until the next one of course. And the one after that. Academics do everything possible to prove themselves correct. This is a repeatable fact
Congrats you just learned how the scientific method works!
Nose rings are extremely useful. We put them on our Hoggs so they dont root around in the grass looking for worms.
Hahahaha
Keeps em from tearing up fences too 😂.
Good old land bridge. Id almost forgot about it. It's still relevant but it's an open debate and not the only answer for sure.
Read books folks, Educate yourself. Steve Rinella is the modern day
Jacques Cousteau.
Bruh, Joe would love to have me as a guest.
Some thoughts: 1. If you've seen the movie Kundun (Dalai Lama movie), you'd swear you're watching North American Indigenous Tribes dancing; it's in Tibet. 2. Not so sure it would be more likely that humans migrated over a super long ice bridge, than the GIANT connected land mass to our North. 3. Weather patterns. How do we know (for_SURE) that all the lush green lands to the South of us, weren't (also) covered in Ice at one time? 4. Humans & Africa; Well, if all land masses were all connected at one time (in History), wouldn't it be more accurate to say: "What is *now* known as Africa." ?
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He mentioned a 70,000 yr old wave of human migration out of africa. At that time, the position of continents was nearly identical to that of today. The existence of any global super continent preceeded that time by many millions of years. It wouldn't take that much effort to inform yourself.
@@bruv1039 yep, some folks just live in la la land
Modern academia has actually moved away from the Bering strait theory. The current thesis is that it wasn’t a strait the proto-americans used rather the mini continent“Beringia”
Steve is the man! Love to see him back.
"Please ignore his nose ring.."
We are all these peoples. They are all of us. We are. Fascinating!
Bro, there were humans there way before that bullshit they say
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What do you mean?
@FracturedParadigms I'm speaking in code. If you don't understand what I'm saying then you obviously don't understand the code, which is cool.
There definitely were, but not ones exactly like us today which are what he is referring to
@@centerforward9 I understand. Still humans, though.
The solutrean points and Clovis points are very similar. And are both fluted
Why did I think this was the shamwow guy
Humans didn't come from Africa. Proven by the Human Genome Project.
Boats down the coast...Like the Vikings...Maori...Rapa Nui...
Few places on Earth have conditions to preserve corpses.
There is a lot we'll never know about our origins.
The idea that we all came from somewhere in Africa is ridiculous. Far too many genetic differences.
I believe,
Five percent of creatures ever fossilized.
@@Creaturesofthemaroonlagoon5% is waaay to much.
False thinking
@@RogueReplicant just the percentage I remember them preaching in school.
@@JaceEntertainmentit been proven for YEARS their are older sites than anything found in Africa.Should do research
There's a place in Texas that's named after it's buried ancient wall. They finally proved it was naturally made. Im sure it's the same with the one in Montana.
Watching people talk about the land bridge as fact is like watching chimps in the zoo.
The “Out of Africa” hypothesis has been blown apart by genetic studies.
Sight your sources
@@cortezENT "Sight" your sources lmao
Oh yea.. what did the genetic studies say
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Please have Ed Barnhart on to talk archeology, anthropology, and the peopling of North and South America