Destiny's Dilemma: You Can't Please Everyone
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Just talking about how Bungie has responded to community feedback and player's wishes in the past, only for those solutions to create new and unintended consequences.
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This is great. Everything you said was spot on. The people asking for destiny 3 will play it for a week and get bored. My favourite part of Destiny is creating new builds and excited when I can use my vaulted weapons that I saved
That is such horse $hit. You guys are just hoarders that will grind the same thing for the 500th time if it means u don’t lose your junk.
Fact is a D3 with a brand new engine will solve alot of the games problems and bring in a whole new influx of new players and I guarantee existing D2 addicts will come back because they cant help them selves anyways. But go on keep believing your own crap.
This is 100% why doing a Destiny 3 would be the same exact way. We'd start at a square one and have to get stronger. I can see everyone who lobbied for it complaining about it. And who knows what changes they'd make that people wouldn't like. Everyone is screaming for Destiny 3, but I don't think that'll be the answer. Bungie is in a horrible position
The fanbase is incredibly whiny tbh
@@thrilla72it’s whiny because Bungie made it this way. They take forever to make changes and overtime this created a large fan base that feels that it needs to bitch and moan to get anything they want
It took years to get Gjalahorn back, and I'm just now going to get Icebreaker back...
I want everyone who wants a reset to just delete their accounts and start fresh.
People say the want a destiny 3 but bungie can’t even look after d2 so why would they do any better starting again 😂
D3 would make things worse cause we’d have to start over completely. We’ve spent far too many countless hours adding and grinding our collection. The only way people would play it is if Bungie doesn’t have anything to do it and if they can transfer everything from d2 over including our entire collection. In conclusion- no one will buy or play it if bungies involved and if they don’t transfer our things from d2. They should just end with d2 and be done with the franchise, if their plans after this year completely flop, it’s Joeover for them and the franchise cause this would be the time Sony would 100% fire them from the game
This is a lot of reading, bear with me here.
I think we are all noticing key things that made Destiny feel like Destiny were being either Left to Rot or Straight up removed (accidentally or Intentionally) . All of us were excited about the New things, in general, and didnt notice the older things that were Untouched for years until later.
For example, with the iteration of Red Borders, we were all too deep into the new feature and many didn't notice the RNG factor fading away. A lot of us loved Into The Light, because RNG factors were brought back, and there were two versions, the Base and the Shiny. Pantheon was a pain in a fun way, because there was a challenge.
Another Example, Bungie leaving the Big 3 activities (Mainly Vanguard and Gambit) to rot and only giving them a couple things, vs back then it felt like they had a lot. The Strikes are either the worse version of Battlegrounds, or the same 3 strikes (Sephiks Prime, SABER-1, and Navota, maybe Hashladun if you're lucky) Gambit only got the Dreaming city map back.
Exotics aren't Exotics anymore, Pinnacles are useless.
Bungie giving Destinations one purpose: Seasonal and Main story, and nothing to really chase after in those destinations in the long run. Especially the older vendors that been around forever. "Core game Activities" the Devs listed to be worked on.
vs Back then, there was a lot of RNG based activities, things to do, things to chase. Remember when you had to get the Mote of Light in forsaken to get the New Supers? Remember when you had a purpose going back to older things? The most of a purpose you have is nostalgia in the older destinations, or youre doing a raid to Only help people. Once you get the red borders, never touching the past again. In a way, this paragraph that you've read also indicates that Vaulting did so much more damage to Replayability and Purpose than some people realize.
I'm glad the articles they made highlighted some of these issues to be fixed later in episodes and 2025, but actions speak louder than words.
In my opinion, I much rather people complain about RNG or how it doesnt respect anyones time rather than having a list of issues with the game despite it's Upsides.
Tbf, this doesn't change anything. People would still complain. Exotics would be too hard, rng is bad because they don't have the time to grind, it doesn't matter what they do, people will always complain. I have not seen more then three or four changes in the last two years that wasn't met with atleast some negativity or just not caring at all. People have to realize that they as individuais are not the mind, body and soul of the destiny community and that every change should be warped around them and any change directed to other people in the community should be met hate to both the part of the community it was directed towards and bungie. It's a completely unwinnable fight. Hell, I wouldn't like if they brought back some of those things that the game used to have.
You’ll literally hit the pinnacle cap just playing the new dungeon most likely. Power level does need to just go though
I’ve been saying for so long that I think bungie messed up by making enhanced perks be a crafted weapon thing and not a random roll only thing. Random rolls should be better otherwise theres no reason to not just craft the weapon instead since you get the pattern in a week or two anyway.
but once again, there's a dilemma.
why would i invest resources and craft a weapon when i can just farm for a direct upgrade through RNG?
@@arcstaffbecause crafting is guaranteed duh💀
@@arcstaff a lot of people don’t want to farm/grind dude. Some people claim they wouldn’t play the game if crafting didn’t exist.
Crafting should be a guaranteed but less effective version of said weapon. While RNG bros get to grind for the best version. Everyone would win, and activities don’t become useless after acquiring the red borders
Currently a lot of random rolls in this year’s loot pool allow enhancement
@@arcstaff if you can’t get that roll to from you can atleast use the crafted one but it’ll be slightly worse
I feel Bungie is going in the right direction... making enemies smarter is the way forward. However, if you ask me, Bungie is too reliant on arean machanics, which makes the quests, raids and dungeons boring, and repetitive over time, especially if the machincs are super hard for new players to understand. Don't believe me..?
Just look at the new encore exotic mission... they forced us to play that boring mission so many times I don’t think I will every play it again.
Let Bungie cook, I feel they are making the correct changes to AI with the addition of better enemy AI and enemy mechanics.
Welcome back, Tizzle! 🍻
Nearly every game has a 'power level' increase that comes with every content release that's pretty much irrelevant because the content released is tuned to that increased power.
There is a loud minority of Destiny players that complain about everything. It's more important to them to be angry than to be consistent or objective. Most players aren't watching RUclipsrs or posting on forums. The new people that _do_ go to a forum or RUclips and see a creator tell them how bad the game is are not going to play, not going to watch that creator, or will play and ignore creators.
Point being when you make negative content consistently you'll find yourself in an echo chamber with that loud minority, which will distort your perception of what the general community thinks and wants.
No mention of how awesome the old stacking buffs/debuffs were pre-shadowkeep. Miss that level of skill gap + dps optimization :(
@@DCBeers saammmree. Even post Shadowkeep. Making elemental wells to pick up right before DPS for font of night to stack with charged with light. Loved it
Have you ever thought about how bad the RNG actually is? I personally believe that Bungie is manipulating the rolls on weapons to increase player engagement. I was farming a strike for an adept weapon a couple of weeks ago and 2 out of 3 of us got the same roll multiple consecutive runs. I'm no statistician but that's got to be next to impossible if it was truly random.
@@KrnlKlink1 also, when you take a long break, your RNG seems to get better. Seen it in many occasions. It super casual players getting the raid exotic on their one and only run. I see it lots
Fun fact!
Thats actually a known bug. The game tends to copy item memory across players in the lobby if youve been playing for a long time. I find relogging every hour or so helps the game run much better.
Its similar to the issue that causes you to get duplicate items from multiple engrams if you open them quickly.
Cant say why it happens since theres a couple billion technical reasons that could cause it, but its been talked about on the forums every few years.
I got calibans liar from xur after 3 copies. The 2 I've gotten from the pale heart were also duplicates, I won't do the mission again cause I feel it's a scam too.
I'm like 99% sure the rng is weighted when it comes to random perks on non craftable weapons. Why do you always get garbage perks like invisible hand, fragile focus, compulsive reloader, etc... most of the time and not good stuff like explosive light, kinetic tremors, fourths time the charm, etc... when it comes to random drops? You can't convince me they aren't weighted and not for the reason of because we notice the bad more and the good less.
Its most prominent in pvp. Everything that a player gets killed by is "overpowered" but everything they use is "fair". Everything is nerfed into the ground to please everybody.
19:00 until all the campaigns I paid for are unvaulted “sunsetting” has not been reverted. Only half reverted game is still a scam
Da homie tizzle back at it again with an objectively correct opinion
“In life, 100% be careful what you ask for because you might just get it” *wisdom*
In destiny 1 not everyone own a gjalahorn or an icebreaker or last word or armour now in destiny 2 there is no rarity no uniqueness
that's because D1 used time/luck gates. While it's a sort of novelty to boast a drop you got lucky with, it's not an achievement
@@looksnormal ok but that time/luck gates makes me to chase those weapons that god roll that exotic weapon now in d2 I got everything and too much legendary weapons that either we got that looks the same or they got new perks I think when bungie was paired with activision the played a huge part on destiny 1 just because the amount of content we got PvP maps , exotic bounties, factions, strikes specific loot , ammo synthesis heavy and special, arms day banshee , and many others which we don’t have in D2
@@Mkgaming252but then it’s just milking engagement, the grind should be long enough to feel earned but short enough to feel plausible and d1 just never felt that way. I was never able to get a vex after 40-50 runs because I just never got a gally… which is more luck. I like that in destiny the stuff is right there and you can just get it if you spend the time. I can do triumphs for a dungeon to increase my odds instead of praying to rng or the mission I need to do is right there for me to do.
100% . I think "end game players" dont want to see the game end hehe, but want more of the same to keep them end game players, but want different stuff to keep it interesting. A contradiction in kind. Best solution, end game players move on, new players come in and grid to end game. Thats how normal games work.
amazing disguise of a solo fallen sabre gm lol
honestly man u r so genuine this is the only d2 content im still watching
@@deep_ak-4728 thank you!
Great vid, it's no joke that they're listening even if it doesn't always pan out well or how we'd expect.
Example: a ton of feedback I've given them on socials regarding Behemoth Titans is literally being implemented in Revenant (particularly changes to Shiver Strike). That's pretty sick imo
I think something frequently looked over in a lot of discourse about the community as a whole is that different portions want different things. Aztecross had his video recently for criticizing the community who say they want more grind for being hypocrites for not wanting the 10 level Pinnacle increase. The same people clamoring for more grind are not the same people upset about the Pinnacle grind, largely. I, for one, don't especially want more grind. I only want to grind if the end reward is meaningful. A small Pinnacle increase isn't.
A lot of people want crafting minimized. I played Destiny on and off until Watch Queen came out and I got WAY more into it because I could never enjoy it due to the heavy RNG before crafting. I now have thousands of hours since and am a super hardcore player. I love just playing the game now that I feel it has rewards that are attainable via crafting. If they diminish the role of crafting as they implied they might in a recent blog post, my play time will absolutely take a hit. I'm here to have fun killing aliens with powerful guns, not play a slot machine. This would make the crafting-haters happy, while scorning a different subset of players who will then become the vocal ones making the Reddit posts asking for more crafting and reminiscing about the good old days when they could get the rewards they wanted.
Destiny is a large tent with varying opinions, so the community aren't hypocrites for pleading for crafting and then rejecting it. These are different groups and when the crafting-haters are appeased, then another group (including myself) will have less fun as a result.
I will say, I think trying to build the game for the most hardcore of hardcore players will absolutely lead to it's downfall, but that's a topic for another day.
You know, I have a lot of thoughts on this topic. But I think you said it perfectly at the end:
Destiny has just ran its course.
They can add or remove whatever they want, change whatever they want, put this gun, that super, whatever they want, and it’s just gonna further drive them down the drain. Because the game is built off of old boomer bones, a time that we are long past. A time that no longer exists. Even just the name “Destiny” itself isn’t seen as too favorable these days. I hate to use the MCU analogy , but I think that perfectly captures where we are. We killed our Thanos, and now we’re trying build a Multiverse.
But we’ll never get that glory leading up to that point again. Yeah sure we may get some good stuff here and there, but as a whole, the ride’s over. A lot of people have gotten off, but there’s still some of us, a lot of us, still sitting, thinking they’re gonna press the button again.
The ride’s over.
Keep improving PVE, Stop making stupid obvious mistakes, increase the focus on space wizard fantasy and make PvP something worth playing during slow times.
Its exactly the same as people crying over having to grind too much for a particular roll they're chasing, bungie introduces weapon crafting and those exact same people now moan crafting ruined the game. I mean.. whut?!.
Regardless, as always bungie giveth bungie taketh, any change usually just means the grind is moved to something else 😂. Regarding mods yeah it kinda screwed build crafting diversity and options, easier i don't know, there's so many people that run around with pretty poor builds 😜 and yeah certainly agree locks got shafted most, look at what locks brought healing nades, devour, restoration etc etc but what did locks get back? Barely anything 😊😅. Certainly not advocating all grinding should be removed but i think one (of several) core issues is (was better but since FS returned) stuff being too grindy completely kills replayability. Who wants to do an activity again after having to run it 200 times. New light experience indeed sucks donkey balls, but destiny's community drama addiction, and certain content creatore monetizing drama and negativity are also likely content to a low new player inflow
I felt the same sentiments from the video. Was kinda bummed with Class 2.0 and lock lost its identity in the game (I only have a lock char). I guess its cool that all classes got the nades (I do like that everyone get supression nades). And I guess with the added exotic class item, the identity gets diluted (yay finally locks gets an exotic that can buff their supers XD) I use to keep my groll rng guns, but no need when you can craft them with enhanced rolls. Now since I've been vault-gated for a few years, I've been just deleting crafted rolls and craft them back up when I need them. I feel like D1 was more of the testing grounds where FPS gameplay was first and D2 evolved to what RPG aspects of the game with the FPS gameplay.
“Would you really want to earn your fourth Outbreak Perfected in D3?” Is the realest question we ain’t ready to answer. - not to mention the community answered with a resounding “No.” when Bungie asked if we would even play Destiny 3. Remember the surveys?
Hey man welcome back!
Finally someone that has a logical, unselfish mind to look at things objectively.
I don’t think the game is perfect but it’s come a long way when I started D2 season 7. Got here a few months before sunsetting :(
I personally dont understand why people get upset when getting a Destiny 3 means a full reset. Like every game ever does that when a new iteration comes out
6:29 luckily with revenant we can play the whole thing in one session if we want
@@dmark_ just the first act I believe. The other 2 acts are still timegated
Developers need to have strong ideas about the game and tell the community to piss off when they want nonsense .
I personally prefer when I can get through the entirety of the expansion at my own pace, then leave until the next expansion. It's definitely a healthier relationship with the game than having to wait and come back each week after a timegate lift.
See the entire problem isnt around power. Its about numbers. The problem with bungie, and every MMO or game in general nowadays, is that they think this is the only way. A better way is to chase artifacts that are super powerful. Chasing these power items that increase power is so much cooler and enjoyable than chasing numbers.
Yep. Champions are my favorite example of the Bungie's monkey's paw. We asked for more challenging enemies, and it took them a while to figure it out (we eventually got the 'BETTER' designed 'champions' in Wyverns, Tormenters and Subjugators, etc).
The bigger issue with champions is instead of fixing champions by either removing them, making champ stun mechanics more intuitive/flexible, etc what they did instead was WARP THE GAME around champions instead - so now we're stuck with this unintuitive system that's another barrier to new players.
As you said, champs are a hard lock and key system, even after they've alleviated this issue with Champ stunning abilities, etc. It doesn't change that it's unintuitive, people don't organically learn how to deal with champions. IMO Champs are still not fixed, they're still bad design.
The fix was always: make ANY weapon break a Barrier if you spray it with enough damage then just make it so burst weapons that chunk are better at doing it. It works because experienced players will know what to use exactly, and noobs can use what they want just in a worse way but still works, then they will eventually learn that chunking weapons are better at it. Same with Overloads but in reverse, spraying weapons slow them down, chunking weapons can run out of ammo before you kill an overload, etc. Unstops will stun/stop charging when you reach a threshold of damage, regardless of weapon. The mistake was always that champ stunning works or it doesn't, no middle ground.
Problem with champs is they're, again, unintuitive - people don't learn how to deal with Champs on their own, in the field, organically. They learn how to deal with champions thru frustrating gameplay where "nothing works", or lengthy explanations and indicators on the enemy and indicators on their character menus - if you're lucky and a noob somehow missed all those context clues, now they need a YT video or something to explain champs to them.
It's yet another problem in Destiny2's other BIGGER problem, and it's barrier to entry and how awful it is for newbies to learn the game. Which is another can of worms. D2's new player experience takes the crown for being one of the worst in all of gaming. Among many many other problems in the game, champs should NOT be repeated for Destiny 3, if that ever happens.
Some braindead speak like we wsnt a bunch of new casual blueberry players to play the game and thats not true. We want the tryhard and farmer to get back in to the fuckin game so more rng less crafting is the way to go and please stop makin the game to be more easy . We need some challenge. The gameplay loop and having people to play with is #1 priority for me too like u said but the farming and finding something not everyone actualy own is the second most important thing
A lot of the wishes people have now, could have been solved by sunsetting.
People want a grind, gets Exotic class items. But then complain it is a grind.
Everyone complains about everything now I wish I could go on RUclips and see a content creator say that it's okay and be grateful to be alive playing a game like destiny 2. It's not even that bad just play the GAME it's not life or death
I disagree it being a "were never satisfied" issue. It's a "corporate bureaucracy leads to meaningful changes happening way to late to matter" issue. Imagine you ran a restaurant and people order food at 3pm but you don't get it out of the kitchen till 5pm because you're arguing with the staff and other cooks. It's the same thing. Why would you wait for a game to implement a basic fix to an issue every other game studio had on day one in the same year of release? Like in game LFG. There's not a single good reason that couldn't have been in the base game. Or players who asked for new enemy factions to face. 7 years? I understand story dictates what we get, but the witness couldn't have sent a new faction after us sooner? And it's not even a full faction, just 2.5 new regular enemies and 2 bosses. And with the lack of communication that Bungie has given, including that hissy for they threw last year after the pay offs and abandoning the Twitter help page, they should expect nothing less. And based off those launch trailers with the staff breakdowns, it confirms what I've suspected for a long time: they're making this game for themselves 1st and players 2nd. How else do you get the seasonal story locked behind one of the hardest exotic missions they've ever put out (not to be confused with the secret missions, like Whisper of the worm or Outbreak). This is practically the final Calus battle, but with vex and raid mechanics. It wouldn't matter if they made a 3rd game at this point, because unless they intend on addressing the issues players had with D2, like not PVP servers, I don't think even the most staunch fans will buy it. To steal a line from Vince McMahon "Destiny 2 Screwed Destiny 2."
I've abandoned Destiny in favor of other games. If I want a solid shooter I'll play Battlefield or something sim-related, if I want an MMO I have Guild Wars, and if I want something Co-Op I have helldivers 2 or space marine. Destiny 2 doesn't scratch ANY gaming itch besides 'looter' and that's the only aspect I don't care for.
I really hope that Bungie could bring back the narrative-driven power fantasy and let us just have FUN and not demand the 'flavor of the week' metas. Make D3 a solid MMO or Co-Op shooter and I'll play, but if they keep this lame looter grind fest I'll just watch the lore on YT. Sorry but Destiny was never supposed to be a slot machine simulators.
I love this game. Yet video games aren't a life.
I want to live by learning, being with loved ones, and having purpose.
I did my 10 years. Enjoyed time with sons playing then my grandson. So much fun!!!
But it's just not real.
I'll still get on with friends to check in. But more more grinding.
I’m not sure if this is a hot take but I think all that needs to be wiped clean is the story. A lot of destiny’s story has come and gone in seasonal content and the like, and I really want to see a true starting point for new players. (Also for me because I want a new and unfamiliar world to explore again) I just want a fresh crowd like d2 had when it launched
My opinion and thoughts behind all this and l truly think bungie should go back to its black armory anuall pass roots making the game grinder but in a good way even the seals now days are just seals l remeber people where grinding there ass for weeks just to get blacksmith reckoner shadow done even today they are one of the lowest owend seals this like for me was peak grind in d2 power grind need to go to the junk where you get to a certin level and thats it and builds need to try to aim to like elemental orbs and warmind cells era but combine everything and bring all back thogether maybe it will be broken but in a good way
The thing I hate about crafting is how some weapons in an activity are craftable, while others are not. For example, in Duality 2 of the like 6 weapons are craftable (both of those being the old revised ones); it took me over a year, over 350+ checkpoint clears to get a Lingering Dread with 3 specific perks. I'm glad I have it, but I would have much rather wished for it to just be a red border, doing Duality that many times is not fun.
This is mostly what I’ve been trying to explain to people, but I’m always accused of being crazy by the noisy minority who think just because they jump and scream that they are “the community”, too many egos I guess.
Anyway to avoid making too big of a wall of text, I’ll just point out a few things I (respectfully) disagree with.
Destiny 3 would NOT be a good onboarding experience, I get that D2 is horrible to get into, but how many people skipped Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers, but joined for Return of the King? Why would any reasonable amount of people who avoided 1 and 2 say “I never touched the early games, but you know this random point so far in would be a perfect place to start”.
Look at World of Warcraft, Runescape, Elder Scrolls Online, Final Fantasy XIV, Warframe, League of Legends, countless more successful games that stand the test of time because they DON’T have a “3” or “2”, they just continuously expand.
And even more importantly, no “sunsetting” is ALWAYS a bad move, not just “well if it was done the right way”, just straight up no.
Every attempted implementation, I mean EVERY, without fail (Dark Below, Taken King, D2 launch, Beyond Light) has completely eviscerated the player base, and sent the franchise in a so far irreparable death spiral.
All the arrogant egos currently claiming “but this times different, we need it back” are like dating a serial cheater saying “I don’t care she cheated on the last 100 guys, she won’t cheat on me, I’m different, trust me bro”, so many people are too blinded to see logic.
Also all of the new and unique weapons we have gotten lately are because “sunsetting” is currently NOT a thing, as Bungie can’t just reskin the same old shit when they can’t just take the original away from you, they actually have to innovate to make you willingly stop using existing gear, which is only ever a good thing.
The other side of “sunsetting” is that when you take away everything someone has, it becomes a perfect off boarding point, as in when you have lost all invested ties, why would you simply restart basically the same grind all over again every time, when you can just find another (potentially better suited) game to put time into.
This is exactly why so many original players have been lost, never to return over the years.
Sorry it still became so long, but thanks to anyone who genuinely read to understand, and not just resort to personal attacks because “differing opinions” bruise egos these days.
If there is no grind I'm out. I've been playing since the beginning, and I just crafted my first weapon yesterday. It was Chior of One. It's the only way to get the catalyst (I hate that).
I want to find my weapons in the wild, or randomly from a vendor. This is what keeps me playing. The day that ends is the day I leave Destiny.
This was a much better video than the last one. I'm glad you see that there is a huge portion of the community that plays for different reasons than you do. This is why so many of us stop playing on the same day we reach max light. The grind is over, so what's the point? For you, the point is to play the game. For us, it's to chase a number and some god rolls.
Bungie has to figure out a way to please both camps. I think raising the light level by a measly 10 points is the most amazing compromise I've ever seen on this game. I would have preferred 50 levels.
Love to see the Blast Furnace. I use KT/Frenzy and it is a solo play monster. I actually like the power grind that comes with expansions, but hate pinnacle cap increase as well. Sunsetting would have truly helped the game long term but the removal of guns without replacing them was an all-time throw. Great video man.
I'm worried for the future of Weapon Crafting. I think they don't like that people just get their patterns and leave so recently they teased that crafting would be more of a catchup mechanic rather than a primary way to chase loot but if the way to get loot post crafting nerf is less deterministic than it is now then I think people would just rather not engage with the system unless its for an absolute BiS like Indebted Kindness and Edge Transit.
As it is right now I think people are engaging more than they ever would with content associated with patterns just because they're not difficult to collect even though they'll probably never use most weapons they get anyway. This is the case especially with seasonal content. As for raids, without crafting, I know I'm not playing the raid for loot at least until Master mode comes out and that's only if they carry on the triple perk system from SE.
I hope they think this decision through more cause if it's half baked like a lot of their ideas it'll just backfire on them. If the way the loot chase is right now significantly regresses I can imagine a scenario where most endgame players just rely on their current selection of patterns, only grind truly must have weapons and just wait for the "catch-up" mechanic to kick in to get rolls they wanted for the newer weapons.
Power increases are artifical time gates by grinding the same low skill mechanics in different areas/modes
Ure just looking for an excuse to make itself feel special by accomplishing a chore
Sunsetting could never work. The only defense is if it was implemented properly. Bungie barely makes this game functions as is I don't think they have the maturity, skill and knowledge to make it work. The only way to make the game going is powercreep unfortunately.
I think Class 2.0 to 3.0 would've been better if they limited us a bit more like in D1 where we couldn't have access to everything.
Edit: I think weapon crafting might've been better for the health of the game if we could only craft up to 80% of the "pinnacle god roll" weapon in the sandbox. Like back in WQ, something like Taipan could be craftable with Triple Tap/Frenzy or Firing Line but you couldn't craft Cataclysmic with Fourth Times/Bait And Switch. I do agree with the enhanced perks argument you made.
Just a comment on the crafting subject. I only have time to play one character. I am not a warlock main since D1, I am a Warlock only since D1. And I have a terrible RnG always had, so I have to admit that I do enjoy the crafting possibility, and even with that it takes me ages to get all the red borders gor the weapon I am interested in. But I also have to admit that I really like that we can enhance random drops.
Finally, I do manage to play enough to attempt solo flawless some dungeons. Although I still haven't solo flawless the latest one, but I just reached 1999 light, so now I can focus on that for the last two weeks. I'll keep playing as long as there are new dungeons.
"I play destiny not for the loot but for the gameplay" THIS!!! Like I swore destiny 2 players forgot there is a game under their chase for loot and left old content to rot because "I already got all the loot...whats the point of playing it again." Unless it gives them something they want then they don't play it not even to help players on their grind.
As someone who has played destiny the whole way through as I have aged and all my friends have walked away and as the game play has become very formulaic and I don’t have a real chase I enjoy pursuing any more I find my self taking longer and more often breaks. I find myself when I do login because I have 10 years worth of loot. There is no real reason to purse anything unless it’s a full meta shift or a hard nerf I have something that always works. I personally don’t know how to fix this maybe broaden the fire team finder and the loot and drive to play I don’t have an answer.
Completely agree. Crafting has been a godsend for vault space, & returning/ new players, but I think the main problem is the state of trademark activities' (pvp, strikes & gambit) replay Value. The truth is, pvp can carry a game by itself during content droughts (ex. hero shooters), but right now it's too frustrating with weird spawns, bad game-modes & elements that make it easy to snowball. Secondly, strikes are outdated, I'd rather replay different parts of the new story with matchmaking or friends. I really like the direction of onslaught but they need to cook it more (new enemies, more randomness & new mechanics; not just throwing balls the whole time).
Once the hallmark playlists have been ironed-out, I think we're ready for D3.
true, that's why the tier system for guns and armors is a very good change, they just need to make super strong combo guns (especially for dungeons and raids)
That was a good video and the comments as well. I like the game since D1. I want it to continue but it has to have players to keep going. Most definitely, there has to be a way to on board new players. It's got to be so confusing to them. Heck, I have been confused as to what was going on through the years. I got so many guns, I don't know what to do with them when I end up only running a few all the time. I try other games and keep coming back to D2. At it's base, it's better than anything else out there for FPS in my opinion.
hit the nail on the head with your point on how if you've been here since 2014, the game has ran its course and the days of the taken king and forsaken are gone. even then i can't believe after 10 years that's all they have to show for it, couple month spurts of good vibes then the community goes right back to hating the game again. Don't get me wrong bungie has evolved the game and added many interesting systems/ideas over the years BUT when i first heard mention of this IP my mind ran wild with possibilities "a sci fi adventure" the ideas are endless; multiple systems and planets, ship flying and combat, trading, in depth customization etc. But still after 10 whole years none of that has ever came close to fruition, blame management or whatever asshole in a suit you want for that but Destiny has always had this safety net over it, they wanted to be a household name and succeeded in that with D2 but they lost their identity, the mystery of it all became predictable and monetized too easily. They became "safe" and truly catered to casuals. I think part of me realized I was here only for the ride and the "what if" of Destiny and it kept me playing and spending money. Now seeing what they've been able to accomplish I am left disappointed and feeling like I was sold a dream. Bungie truly screwed up a generation defining IP, this shit could have been bigger than star wars if done right. But I'm done thinking in the "what ifs," they have shown that this is no longer their priority and it's time for a new king to take the throne. I love this game and will most likely still play but man it's rough being so invested and then realizing there will be no real pay off. So much wasted fucking potential man it just doesn't make any logical sense.
There is a big split between fans, amongst other things, of the players that care for a looter shooter and all the grind and related things that come with that, and the group of people that want a story focused, 1 and done action shooter experience.
The hunger for more content is battling with this split. The looter fanbase wants more individuality to people's inventory, for heavy grinders to have things casual players wont ever get, via fun to replay content.
The other portion fanbase wants to play a FPS version of dynasty warriors; low difficulty, almost 0 barrier to entry, that can constantly (and unrealistically) provide 1 and done story based content.
Catering to the first group would make it closer to other looter games, and in my opinion make the game better. Catering to the 2nd group has been what they've done for years now, and it's a big reason, in my opinion, the game is "dying" (I don't think it's dying, but continuing to cater to the 2nd group might end up killing it)
Bungie needs to start using their own judgement and not just do whatever people ask for; this community is a great example: they complain and want everything to be easy and understood without reading more than a near-illiterate person can. I make a million builds and know that everytime, it's either kickstart, surges, fonts, or finisher mods, along with extra time dilation or powerful attraction mods; you can't do what you used to. Then, as far as crafting is concerned, it should of been implemented differently or better yet, it should have never been considered. A massive part of destiny is about earning random loot, and no matter what, crafting takes a good chunk out of the grind; like boohoo, you got unlucky. All they would have to do is increase drop chances or add challenges to increase it because more challenge should mean more loot and better chance at getting better loot. And sure, I have an unpopular opinion, but who cares; both bungie and this community are running around with their hair on fire, so I'll stick to what I know is true.
IMO they did crafting backwards. Drops should have had enhanced perks and crafted weapons should not have. The point of doing the activity was to hope and pray you got the GOD GOD roll, but know that you'll be able to get the god roll, even if slightly worse than what could be.
This is why I hate content creators, always asking for nerfs. Never learning that they never get it right, always nerfing things to the ground. Everything they’ve asked for and gotten have made things worse. Nerfs, PC version, SBMM. Content creators opinions are tainted because of the added incentives they have to play.
The rng is terrible in this game. Focused drops or escalating chances are good mitigators. I’m also fine with straight up crafting god rolls. But the baseline rng is insane. I shouldn’t be able to grind Warlords 78 times and still have no Voltshot Indebted to show for it.
The thing that would bring me back is more in depth build crafting. They want it to be multiple ways to build each subclass, but it feels like each subclass has one build.
We need more in depth armour mods because they all feel so basic and generalist.
We need more use cases for certain fragments and aspects.
We need more synergy and exotics that really buff certain parts of subclasses.
And we need unlockables that show your mastery with subclasses. Something that really shows how dedicated you are to a subclass.
Man, I disagree. I’m not bored of Destiny as a game at all. It’s all about content. It is super repetitive. The question is….. is there a way to add more playability without just having people the same arena 200 times.
This video proves that the community is killingn the game.been sayin this for quite awhile
If they added enhancing random drops of craftable wrapons I would be completely happy. I would no longer have to feels like: Yes thats the roll I wanted but it does not have enhanced perks, so I have to keep getting rolls to get the red borders so that I have the enhanced perks.
Asking for a d3 implies a new game with new mechanics and systems. If they take what you say and dont change anything but give us more then yeah its gonna flop but people want new experiences. Its sad that people think new games just means new title same game blame ow2 and modern game studios for that.
They spuld have had crafting as a catch up for last 2 weeks of said season. Im sure in the dev insight they said next year crafting will be a catch up mechanic..but just playing with enhanced drops i hope they do this to bring grind and the loot aspect bk. After all the best wepoins sould be for the grind not casual players.
You know something that was on Armor exotics in D1 that is largely absent in D2? Exotic Armor that had a big part of how a subclass worked baked in. This essentially allowed a player to run 3 Aspects.
I didn't watch the video and I will probably agree with certain points and disagree on others
But let me just say... bungie has a habit of doing the communities wishes but doing a strong monkey's paw.
Charged with light, wells and warning cells are truly missed. Class identity is a big thing too I miss. Weapon crafting should only be for world drop and playlist weapons, endgame activity loot should not be craftable. Something not talked about enough that would make destiny fun again would be dedicated drops and/or strike specific loot.
Exactly crafted weapons should have to be randomly dropped to earn the perks and a similar thing is the mark being craft able and you can swap perks but it would need a buy in like an ascendent shard for each perk. Actual grind is better than artificial
Greta video. Agree with your take on warlock. We seem to be the summoner class now which is kinda cool but needs to be leaned into a bit more IMO. Noticed the glaive in the background and im a huge glaive stan. Vexcalibur seems to bring transcendent energy super fast.19000 kills and going
That billion dollar question is a tough one. Leading this game must feel like a parent with a kid on each arm pulling in opposite directions. I bet it's a very frustrating job. 🤣
I think people asking for D3 neglect how poor D2’s launch was. I can’t speak for D1 launch but you also said at the tail end of the video that vanilla D1 was rough
People wanted the power level grind and after a year people complained it got added . Yeah I get what the community wants added/changed with adapt with the meta and state of the game but people just don't think about the bigger picture
In my opinion I feel like the destiny community is so split between people who are hardcore (and the people who think there hardcore) and people who are casual that it makes it hard for bungie to know how to fix things.
I totally forgot we actually had crafting materials for crafting. It was annoying, but crafting is so braindead now that I'd be down to try some aspects of crafting from Witch Queen.
Gameplay over everything. None of this crap matters if it's not fun. As long as it's fun, you can do just about anything you want in terms of system.
“…gamers need new shiny things dangled in their face every second or they lose interest.”
This is the main issue, IMO.
I swear I saw a recent twab or developer insight thing that showed a weapon screen with enhanced 1st and 2nd column perks
Just like exotic weapons or trials gear, light level used to be something to show off in Destiny 1. Cross is right, we need the grind back
only being able to Enhance RNG Drops is a great example, Cheers as Always Brother 💯💯🎮🎮✌🏽✌🏽
“I think most people like the D2 OG system with the nodes” brother what the fuck are you on
9:28 we dont even have the punching incredibly hard. Hunter does it better.
I just picked up a 10 piece wing and dropped bruhhhhh
Still wishing on pete to get hemorrhoids
let me call the whambulance
But you can definitely please no one
Also tho love your content dude
Agreed!…. What about having to bounty prep to unlock artifact for week 1 raid or dungeon. Just can’t bring my self to do it anymore. Just a painful experience 24 seasons in
Same .. i got over 12k hours on d2 and i dont do bounty prep anymore and the power lvl cap is something i dont fuckin care they can do what ever they want i dont get it when everyone cry about grinding 10light .. why they gettin affected by a 10light lvl grind . Who fukin care. The only thing i care is more rng less crafting. Thats fukin dumb to see everyone owning everything and rockon same shit . Bring the fukin rng back. I got over 1500 raid full clears and i think in last year i didnt do more than 20. I got 1 clear on last raid. Because there nonppoint to farm anythin anymore
Honestly I wish they had limited crafting to world drop and seasonal weapons. A system that let's you get multiple perks on endgame weapons would've been better
@@McDoodPedro multiple perks is far better than crafting IMO
YOU in particular like alot of other steamers are going to come back when everyone destroys all content in 2 weeks and BEG for content timegating
@@fransonferguson2979 no I’m actually creative and can make my own content. And I’ve also always hated time gating in any game. Been rallying against it for years
And the game is still hard for casuals 😂 they ramped up the boring activities they could farm and now no one does them
But not as hard as Division 2, which is literally way harder than Destiny 2 especially for the casuals
Truth.
💯% Agree
You forgot to mention the argument of: I paid for it, so I should have it.
@@jcrhee yes. Entitlement sucks. EARN your rewards. Git gud
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Why are you upset about the power increase?
@@sergeaucoin1 because power no longer means anything thanks to power caps
@@itztizzle but it does. You can't do a GM 10pts under the power cap... All top tier events need higher power.
Like the new dungeon.
@@sergeaucoin1 yes. Only punishes you though. Doesn’t benefit you. That’s what I should’ve said
@@itztizzle I can see it being punishing if you spend hundreds of hours updating your vault to the pinnacle cap, but other than that, I see it as a rewarding grind.
I'm willing to bet that the majority of "normal" people that can only play for 10-20 hours per week, are looking forward to this increase.
They arent trying to please everyone. There are 0 straight couples in d2. There are 8 of the opposite, and two trains.
Do you choose your fps games based on the romances?
@@tylermckeel4621 give me 1 reason why i need to hear 3 straight months of "his husband" and "her wife" in my fps game. Right back at you. Clown.
@@tylermckeel4621 Right back at u. Can you give me a reason why my space looter shooting game needs 3 straight months of hearing "his husband" and "her wife"? Why are you defending heterophobic and loxist product anyway?
@@tylermckeel4621 Right back at u. Can you give me a reason why my space looter shooting game needs 3 straight months of hearing "his husband" and "her wife"? Why are you defending heterophobic and loxist product anyway?
@@tylermckeel4621 Right back at u. Can you give me 1 reason why my space looter shooting game needs 3 straight months of hearing his-husband and her-wife? Why my giant spacemonster boss is a trainsexual? Why are you defending heterophobic and loxist product anyway?
the game has become easier on pc. at some point bungie began balancing for pc players. pc players can hardly die.
i really want bungie to find a way to balance the game for console players too
Console players have more survivability than pc. 30fps makes you much more tanky than the high fps most pcs have.
PC has a couple advantages, like higher feel of stability, more mappings available to do some actions controller can still do, but easier, and the ability to swing your camera really fast in any direction.
I'm curious to what you think is the ways it's balanced against console
@@zeroshadowzs no. actually pc players have higher survivability. pc is baby game. dato and salgeppeto have both stated the game is too easy and it’s hard for them to die. just look at abilities on pc.
and if you want more proof. just look at radi completions day one ALL pc. it isn’t because they’re good. it’s because they can’t die.
@@omarlocke4351you say this but you haven't heard of the bug that PC players playing above 90fps literally take more damage because more ticks are being calculated per second. If anything playing high fps on PC is a detriment to you. They've never patched this and it's been a bug with DMG calculation since pre forsaken. It's especially bad on enemies that have rapid beam like attacks. Ogres are the worst offenders, you take more DMG at 120 fps and die faster vs 30fps. Not saying console Is at an advantage, but saying PC players die less or are more tanky has been shown to be wrong.
@@spakentruth bungie changed that because pc players were crying that the game was too hard. the fact is that of players are playing baby game and have been for years.
pc players have been b&m about “game too easy” as they play on a platform that quite literally has difficulty dying in master mode content. i get it. you dislike this reality. i do too. i sincerely wish bungie would fix this issue to make the game harder for them and cease making changes that harm console players.
i’m not really sure how to fix the issue but if ignoring it and pretending it isn’t true because you don’t like it is another bad choice that harms the game.
pc players claim to want more challenge. when difficulty was tied to frame rate they all lowered their frame rates and cried then the recent difficulty changes were made and they chased of many many console players. these changes should be reverted. again, i don’t know what a good answer for baby gamers on pc would be…
@@omarlocke4351did you even read what i wrote or you just yapping through chat gpt? if bungie "fixed" the issue like you say you want then PC players would be at a much better advantage, higher frames, more stability, smoother overall gameplay, easier to dodge and input commands and shit without having to worry about getting shredded by a shrieker or a ogre at 144fps bc you take more damage
D3 with a new engine and new management and team will 100% beat whatever the hell destiny is right now . Everyone just assumes we will just repeat the same mistakes, I hope Sony guts bungie and starts with actual responsible adults in leadership.
Expand match making to all activities while giving options for private lobbies.
There is a certain percentage of the community that play Destiny as a pastime ... they will engage as long as there is a number to chase or another Seal to collect YOU may not like this but you dont have to engage in it ... and BUNGIE probably saw the numbers of those players leave with no number to chase .. my idea is focus on the things that affect you and not the things that dont for health of the game
Look a pw lvl grind that I dont have to engage with to play the game ....im gonna complain about it 🤦🏾✔️