Thank yo so much for documenting your trip. As a Chilean, I never got to go there in my youth, and now from the USA, that trip will never happen. You got me as close as I dreamed to be to the Antartica!
Thanks for the Video, brings back a lot of memory's . The pole station doesn't look at all the same when I was there in 1979. I loved your comment about being a lot warmer in Mac town. LOL I worked on the flight line fueling those aircraft and flew many a mile in them to outlaying stations. What is funny is we would have a day of 34 or so degrees and we were in our T shirts working the flight line because it was so warm and the planes coming from Chi Chi, (about 90 degrees warm) the passengers are all bundled up freezing thinking we were nuts out in T shirts. Loved it. Take care from another OAE.
Wow. Most of us will probably not see this much of Antarctica firsthand in our respective lifetimes. After seeing this clip, it feels closer to the "real thing" than ever to me. Although I am from Canada, there's still about 10,000 km (6,000 mi.) between me and Alert, Nunavut, the most northerly populated point in Canada (that I know of). I have experienced temps below -40 so I could only imagine your experience. Thanks for sharing this Jeffrey, and stay well!
They have been flying down to Antarctica for many years. Certainly on a regular basis since the mid 50s. The base at Christchurch Airport is a joint NZ US facility. It is a transit support base for 'Deep Freeze' operations in Antarctica. From where US C17 Globe masters, Hercules and occasionally, Galaxies. Along with NZ Boeng 757s Hercules and Orions (usually on southern patrols) operate in support of the US McMurdo, and NZs Scott base which isn't far from McMurdo base. Most of the flying happens in the warmer months, between October and February. But as indicated, there are exceptions to that.
This guy makes great videos! Watched a couple of them and I can say, that he has a talent of anticipating all of the questions us watchers might have about a trip like this! All of his videos show more of what it is really like to go and work there, to live there, than any other similar video about those camps in antarctica! Just the part of getting on that globemaster plane by itself was more than I have ever seen on RUclips. Great art of explaining, showing! thanks a lot!
My brain thanks you for the trip, the feel, the pictures, the lillte details in the planes ( j used to fly ! ), the knowledge and work you did to make it understandable for many in your blog... And in order to keep a good relationship with my brain, j thank you all the same !
Thank you Jeff nice video it show me what I wanted to see ,right now Im in the talks for my trip to McMurdo as the station construction superintendent ,Thanks again .
My ex-wife and I lived and worked as civilians around C17s for 11 years at Aviano AF base near Venice Italy but never got to go up in one. 11:20 we're not in Kansas anymore.
This video was absolutely mind blowing. Im doing research on a script about traveling to antarctica and reading about it is one thing, seeing it through your lens is a whole other thing. Its like going to another planet. I will say, they sure do give a ton of "safety" lessons before each departure....Thanks for sharing!!
Hi Jeff my name is David i totally loved your Antarctica video looks like your having fun experience, i live in Sydney Australia thinking taking antarctica new year flight next year, hope your having an awesome weekend.
@19:06 from looking out the window, you would think the white clouds were so low to the ground. The plane reaches the clouds within seconds of take off?
Wow - this is one awesome video, thanks for sharing! Very authentic & fascinating to watch! All the details (briefing, flights etc.) - like being there oneself! Very much enjoyed watching it - thanks :-)
Hello! For your interest, here's my blog post of pics flying South Pole to McMurdo - jeffreydonenfeld.com/blog/2013/02/leaving-the-south-pole-station-for-mcmurdo-station/
Cool vid! I would love to visit Antarctica. It must be an interesting place. I flew DC-3s for several years, although not with turbines. I can only imagine the hardships the air and ground crews endured back in the early days with those old radials. They must've had to dilute the engine oil with quite a bit of gas to get them turning in that cold
The interesting thing is SAS are operating passenger Boeing 737’s into Svalbard which is further north ( just) than McMurdo is South . I am definitely not belittling the achievement here because there is only ocean between New Zealand & McMurdo whereas Tromso is not far from Svalbard. Flight are cancelled a lot because of weather. The Hercules’s that’s just amazing.
I was there in January this year, on a commercial expedition, skiing the last degree with ALE. Riding in on a plane is for pantsies. ;-) Fancied visiting the station, but was told that it was off limits. :-) How come you didn't shoot any video of the ceremonial south pole marker? Is it true that you guys had some sort of initiation ritual where people were dared to run naked from the base to the pole marker and back?
Great videos. you should be comedian, you are funny :)thanks for making videos about all this....as i see you was only one of all those people on plane who was shooting....How long was flight from Christchurch to the Antartica?
Questions to ask is it really super colder then it is say in a snowy area up in US where we get blizzards on east cost although I am on west cost with no snow where I reside. Secondly it sounds so loud are the planes that loud? also could you do a video on what its like on that station and weather like
I am glad you took the time to stop by the machine shop in your other video, most over look it, but it is as important as the kitchen for year around operations as the kitchen.
At the very beginning of this video they talk about a pest to be aware of! I didn't get what kind of pest??????? Very interesting 🤔 Thank you so much for sharing 🤗 This video made me a subscriber ☺️ very nice
how long is the flight from CC to the SP? just looked it up & Christchurch is closer to the equator (4800km) than to the south pole (5100km), blew my mind. the italian city Venice is closer to the North Pole than CC is to the South Pole.
@Luke Skyballer because there's so many cities north of Venice so one doesn't naturally assume it would be closer to a pole than one of the most southern cities, christchurch
The Delboy you can’t actually visit the South Pole Station, you are allowed a short tour of part the the South Pole Station without seeing what they do, then you have to get out
esto es increible, lo del polo es increible, como me gustaria ir a conocer aunque se que es algo ree top jaja saludos y muchisimas gracias por las imagenes del polo y del scott. segui adelante por favor
Thanks Jeffrey for excellent video work. I thought like I was with you on the flights. Did you earn any frequent flyer miles? LOL. That was cool that you got to go into the cockpit. Did you get to eat on the military planes? Are there public bathrooms on the military planes as well?
joseph dunn Sure thing! Yep, I got a few miles for my Denver>CHC flights. We did get to eat on the plane - you get a bagged lunch when you're getting on. Not great food, but it's something! There is a single bathroom, and anyone can use it. There's a cool oxygen mask inside the bathroom of the C-17.
Jeffrey Donenfeld I forgot to ask you. How did you like your stay on the south pole? Did you have your own dorm room? Was it brutally cold when you arrived and were at the south pole as well as the McMurdo Station? One more question (OH' AND A HUGE THANK YOU ON ANSWERING MY MILLION QUESTIONS) Did you stopover at McMurdo? or did you connect right away to the flight to the south pole? If you stopped over, how long did you stay at McMurdo? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for answering me and giving over your experiences. Your experiences are a huge rarity and precious. One great thing about staying where you stayed is that you didn't have to worry about your stuff getting stolen and crime as well. Again, I loved this video showing us what you had to endure in order to get to the south pole. I am flabbergasted that the cockpit crew allowed you to go in and experience what it was like. The whole thing to me is awesome and I don't think that you'll ever forget the experience. One last question and I'll let you go- Did your local newscasters at your door interviewing you about your experience.
+joseph dunn Thanks for all the questions! Check out JeffreyDonenfeld.com/Antarctica as well as the rest of my videos from Antarctica and you'll find the answers to most of them. Let me know if you'd like to know anything I haven't covered already online. Cheers! -Jeffrey
I take it that you were there for 3.5 months because not much goes on there for the rest of the year. Does the station population greatly increase for the summer (like Alaska) then get back to a skeleton "caretaker" crew the rest of the year? Great video especially the landing and takeoff. Something you don't see every day.
What would have made this vid 10,000x more cool: At the 27:00 Mark, everyone had to skydive out of the C130 and parachute to the South Pole Base camp... come one, you all know you thought it too... don’t lie
I now Its been so long after this was made how long did the trip take anything strange happened well deployed to the south pole and why they using USA military airplanes we have the same plans don't we..
7:24 - what did he say? 5 hours 45 minutes? 22:31 - That cracks me up: the old "Soviet" style cockpit layout. The reason the Soviets still did that even into the 1980s was to give the crew more stuff to do. The third person did nothing but control the throttles so basically they had: one pilot, one copilot, one throttle person and one navigator. I'm sure the Soviets paid their crews terrible wages no matter how experienced they were.
yeah - everything here did.... oh wait... the flight crew is all in on the massive cover up as well, they did not navigate using NAD 83 data as used by GPS to get there... flat earth idiots...
Earths curvature formula for a circumference of 24,901 miles is 8 inches per mile squared. You can not find and measure or prove any curvature exists anywhere. Water always find its level. Water doesn't curve either. Another impossibility of the fake globe model. Prove without using a government run space agency you live on a spinning wet ball hurdling through outer space at 3 different speeds and 3 different directions all at the same time.
@@kdkinen it isn't against the law to go there. it's a dangerous environment... it's like 40 below. not to mention they don't want it polluted. it isn't to hide an edge. it's too dangerous and hence why you need special flights and they son't want to pollute it.
This is really cool for those of us who will never get to make this trip. Thanks.
Duncan Edwards
Bucket list... for those who have $49500.
why would you want to go there lol.
@ Stock762 if you have to ask you don’t deserve to know.
@@severetiredamage6754 best answer ever! Lol 😂😂!!
@@calvin3448 wow most people can't afford to go to an empty freezing wasteland just to brag that they've been there. What will they ever do.
Thank yo so much for documenting your trip. As a Chilean, I never got to go there in my youth, and now from the USA, that trip will never happen. You got me as close as I dreamed to be to the Antartica!
Why can’t you go? Chile and US both have bases
Thanks for the Video, brings back a lot of memory's . The pole station doesn't look at all the same when I was there in 1979. I loved your comment about being a lot warmer in Mac town. LOL I worked on the flight line fueling those aircraft and flew many a mile in them to outlaying stations. What is funny is we would have a day of 34 or so degrees and we were in our T shirts working the flight line because it was so warm and the planes coming from Chi Chi, (about 90 degrees warm) the passengers are all bundled up freezing thinking we were nuts out in T shirts. Loved it. Take care from another OAE.
Awesome, thanks for watching and for the comment! It's certainly changing.. but so many interesting layers of history there.. :)
Wow. Most of us will probably not see this much of Antarctica firsthand in our respective lifetimes. After seeing this clip, it feels closer to the "real thing" than ever to me. Although I am from Canada, there's still about 10,000 km (6,000 mi.) between me and Alert, Nunavut, the most northerly populated point in Canada (that I know of). I have experienced temps below -40 so I could only imagine your experience. Thanks for sharing this Jeffrey, and stay well!
They have been flying down to Antarctica for many years. Certainly on a regular basis since the mid 50s. The base at Christchurch Airport is a joint NZ US facility. It is a transit support base for 'Deep Freeze' operations in Antarctica. From where US C17 Globe masters, Hercules and occasionally, Galaxies. Along with NZ Boeng 757s Hercules and Orions (usually on southern patrols) operate in support of the US McMurdo, and NZs Scott base which isn't far from McMurdo base. Most of the flying happens in the warmer months, between October and February. But as indicated, there are exceptions to that.
This guy makes great videos! Watched a couple of them and I can say, that he has a talent of anticipating all of the questions us watchers might have about a trip like this! All of his videos show more of what it is really like to go and work there, to live there, than any other similar video about those camps in antarctica! Just the part of getting on that globemaster plane by itself was more than I have ever seen on RUclips. Great art of explaining, showing! thanks a lot!
Really reassured after watching this video years later.... One day will find myself there..
Mister Jeffrey you are one lucky guy to have going on this seven continent Antarctic. It's great moment in your life, cheers !
My brain thanks you for the trip, the feel, the pictures, the lillte details in the planes ( j used to fly ! ), the knowledge and work you did to make it understandable for many in your blog... And in order to keep a good relationship with my brain, j thank you all the same !
Well done I enjoyed your tour...brought back memories. Wish we had this type of technology when I wintered over in 1981 at the pole.
Cynthia McFee That's SO cool you wintered at pole! Envious..
Jeffrey Donenfeld Pft, most of us envy you just for having been there!
Thank you so much for sharing these! Its awesome to give everyone the chance to see your adventure!
Thank you Jeff nice video it show me what I wanted to see ,right now Im in the talks for my trip to McMurdo as the station construction superintendent ,Thanks again .
+T NT Awesome T! Good luck - let me know if you make it to the ice! :)
3:58 I remember being in that room but I was headed to Malaysia in a C-130 for jungle training lol.
Wow! Thanks for taking us along, what an amazing trip!
My ex-wife and I lived and worked as civilians around C17s for 11 years at Aviano AF base near Venice Italy but never got to go up in one. 11:20 we're not in Kansas anymore.
It's like visiting another planet :o
+Ben M really, it looks like a typical winter in Toronto
Thanks for the video. Especially the out if window shots.
This video was absolutely mind blowing. Im doing research on a script about traveling to antarctica and reading about it is one thing, seeing it through your lens is a whole other thing. Its like going to another planet. I will say, they sure do give a ton of "safety" lessons before each departure....Thanks for sharing!!
What a grand adventure! ...and your own personal sense of adventure comes shining through! Well done!
one of the FABULOUS video ever , feeling like i m in ANTARCTICA .....
I'm so impressed! I would love to visit sometime lol
The original 'City of Christchurch' was a Navy VX-6 ski equipped C -130 on the Ice in the 62/63 season. I know because I was on it many times.
Fascinating. Thanks for posting.
Hi Jeff my name is David i totally loved your Antarctica video looks like your having fun experience, i live in Sydney Australia thinking taking antarctica new year flight next year, hope your having an awesome weekend.
@19:06 from looking out the window, you would think the white clouds were so low to the ground. The plane reaches the clouds within seconds of take off?
That plane looks so cool from the inside!
It is!
Wow - this is one awesome video, thanks for sharing! Very authentic & fascinating to watch! All the details (briefing, flights etc.) - like being there oneself! Very much enjoyed watching it - thanks :-)
Hello! For your interest, here's my blog post of pics flying South Pole to McMurdo - jeffreydonenfeld.com/blog/2013/02/leaving-the-south-pole-station-for-mcmurdo-station/
+Jeffrey Donenfeld Just wondering how long the trip takes?
Do you still live there?
+Jeffrey Donenfeld is there a dome?
+Serbian Conspiracy There used to be. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%E2%80%93Scott_South_Pole_Station#Dome_.281975.E2.80.932003.29
haha, i know for that, but real dome? above earth?
Nice to see how some of the other operators work. Next time I go South, I'll need to record more videos and share them.
i got so excited when i got to see the inside of that military aircraft
This is realy a amazing n adventurous visit bro
I was in Antarctica East in Nov 2016to Dec 2017 at Indian Research Base Bharati
Hope to go soon. Thanks for the vid!
Cool vid! I would love to visit Antarctica. It must be an interesting place. I flew DC-3s for several years, although not with turbines. I can only imagine the hardships the air and ground crews endured back in the early days with those old radials. They must've had to dilute the engine oil with quite a bit of gas to get them turning in that cold
What a small highly skilled fortunate minority of humanity ever get/need to view that orientation video, fascinating. Thanks for posting!
Great video!!! Thank you for sharing it with the rest of the world.
We always went thru Mcmurdo. Off load, stay a few days for training then on to Pole. No nonstop to H
The interesting thing is SAS are operating passenger Boeing 737’s into Svalbard which is further north ( just) than McMurdo is South . I am definitely not belittling the achievement here because there is only ocean between New Zealand & McMurdo whereas Tromso is not far from Svalbard. Flight are cancelled a lot because of weather. The Hercules’s that’s just amazing.
I was on the Ice in 62/63. It was nice on the ice but peachy in Chi-chi. (Christchurch).
Great video. I admire everybody’s work in such extreme conditions.
The look that airman gave you when you popped into the cockpit....
This was really great, really make me want to visit!
BikeAroundSally Awesome!
How many hours did the flight last?
Thanks! That was a blast!
Wish you would have filmed more in the air
what did that girl at 13:30 ask him? I can`t understand because of the airplane`s noise.
Summer support October 1984 to January 1985. Loved the perdiam exchange rate of 2 to 1 back then.
@24:02 looking out that window, the horizon is a straight line right to left, no arc in the sky, seems flat
Much appreciated. Thank you! 🌷
what were those huge pallets of stuff on the plane
I'd love to see the route in on the map
+FCbisleybob Watch a few of my lectures at jeffreydonenfeld.com/about/speaking/ and I explain a bunch about the route and logistics. Cheers!
+Jeffrey Donenfeld How about showing footage flyin in over the coast. I hear there is a massive icewall thats being covered up.
Awesome video, and 18:05 is an amazing shot!
I was there in January this year, on a commercial expedition, skiing the last degree with ALE. Riding in on a plane is for pantsies. ;-)
Fancied visiting the station, but was told that it was off limits. :-) How come you didn't shoot any video of the ceremonial south pole marker?
Is it true that you guys had some sort of initiation ritual where people were dared to run naked from the base to the pole marker and back?
Great videos. you should be comedian, you are funny :)thanks for making videos about all this....as i see you was only one of all those people on plane who was shooting....How long was flight from Christchurch to the Antartica?
I wonder how far the base has to drift away from the pole before they start thinking about moving the base.
Questions to ask is it really super colder then it is say in a snowy area up in US where we get blizzards on east cost although I am on west cost with no snow where I reside. Secondly it sounds so loud are the planes that loud? also could you do a video on what its like on that station and weather like
So what was the purpose of the trip? For us weather geeks, you could have mentioned some weather conditions.
Jeffrey! Can you answer me? Is there or is there no midnight sun in Antarctica?
There is.
Great tours, I am trying to get the winter machinist position for 2018. Any advice?
I am glad you took the time to stop by the machine shop in your other video, most over look it, but it is as important as the kitchen for year around operations as the kitchen.
So....did you go back for another tour? I would love to stay, permanently...lol....seriously.
At the very beginning of this video they talk about a pest to be aware of! I didn't get what kind of pest??????? Very interesting 🤔 Thank you so much for sharing 🤗 This video made me a subscriber ☺️ very nice
How long is the flight from McMurdo to the Pole? That is one noisy plane
How can I permanently move there?
how long is the flight from CC to the SP? just looked it up & Christchurch is closer to the equator (4800km) than to the south pole (5100km), blew my mind. the italian city Venice is closer to the North Pole than CC is to the South Pole.
I talk about geographic distances between places like Christchurch (CC) or the south pole (SP)
@Luke Skyballer Venice is closer to the north pole than Christchurch is to the south pole
@Luke Skyballer because there's so many cities north of Venice so one doesn't naturally assume it would be closer to a pole than one of the most southern cities, christchurch
@Luke Skyballer Or to an AI
i would love to live from time to time and work in Antarctica especially in a base like the mcmurdo base
Can u reply plz tell me how we will go to Antarctica
Go south. And keep at it.
32:40 what a beat truck, 2002 Ford F350 Singlecab
Beautiful takeoff and Landing amazing Pilots
How did you get to Antarctica? I would like to talk as I am on my own quest to go there as well!
Idk why it's so hard for me to get to Antarctica
+marshall robertson It's not hard for you to get there, we have planes now. The hard part is getting the money to get there.
Oh really? I thought you had to have a certain career choice?
marshall robertson Naw they take travelers as well.
It's because there ain't much there but research stations. Unless you work at one, there isn't much you can do there.
The Delboy you can’t actually visit the South Pole Station, you are allowed a short tour of part the the South Pole Station without seeing what they do, then you have to get out
Jeffrey, like Mrs. Howell on Gilligan's Island, I would be looking for the 1st class section of the military planes you were flying on. MEGA-LOL!
Did you wear ear plugs during the flight, and who gets to sit in the center section, in the best seats?
Wow look at that huge Flat Earth Ice Wall! NOT!
Very cool. I greatly enjoyed your video.
Tony McConkey Thanks! :)
esto es increible, lo del polo es increible, como me gustaria ir a conocer aunque se que es algo ree top jaja
saludos y muchisimas gracias por las imagenes del polo y del scott. segui adelante por favor
What field of study would one pursue to be involved in arctic research?
+RedTornado
Arctic research? This is Antarctica!
From Nov till Feb, was it apolar day or night?
very cool video. Thank you.
Thanks Jeffrey for excellent video work. I thought like I was with you on the flights. Did you earn any frequent flyer miles? LOL. That was cool that you got to go into the cockpit. Did you get to eat on the military planes? Are there public bathrooms on the military planes as well?
joseph dunn Sure thing! Yep, I got a few miles for my Denver>CHC flights. We did get to eat on the plane - you get a bagged lunch when you're getting on. Not great food, but it's something! There is a single bathroom, and anyone can use it. There's a cool oxygen mask inside the bathroom of the C-17.
Jeffrey Donenfeld I forgot to ask you. How did you like your stay on the south pole? Did you have your own dorm room? Was it brutally cold when you arrived and were at the south pole as well as the McMurdo Station? One more question (OH' AND A HUGE THANK YOU ON ANSWERING MY MILLION QUESTIONS) Did you stopover at McMurdo? or did you connect right away to the flight to the south pole? If you stopped over, how long did you stay at McMurdo? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for answering me and giving over your experiences. Your experiences are a huge rarity and precious. One great thing about staying where you stayed is that you didn't have to worry about your stuff getting stolen and crime as well. Again, I loved this video showing us what you had to endure in order to get to the south pole. I am flabbergasted that the cockpit crew allowed you to go in and experience what it was like. The whole thing to me is awesome and I don't think that you'll ever forget the experience. One last question and I'll let you go- Did your local newscasters at your door interviewing you about your experience.
+joseph dunn Thanks for all the questions! Check out JeffreyDonenfeld.com/Antarctica as well as the rest of my videos from Antarctica and you'll find the answers to most of them. Let me know if you'd like to know anything I haven't covered already online.
Cheers!
-Jeffrey
you should use Sony action cam , this is stable ,no camera shake!
thanks for the buena vista...
you have to imagine Scott's and Amudsen's groups moving like little dots on that immense white plain for several months
I take it that you were there for 3.5 months because not much goes on there for the rest of the year. Does the station population greatly increase for the summer (like Alaska) then get back to a skeleton "caretaker" crew the rest of the year? Great video especially the landing and takeoff. Something you don't see every day.
cool video. Very interesting
11:58 imaging you are down there alone, pretty scary actually
For some reason I thought of being down there alone too!
Great video! God Bless the USA 🇺🇸❤
I wish, I could stay and work their! I work as a welder, I am good to work with metals!
How is it that anyone involved in this trip is being allowed to film the process? I find this a bit strange.
+Mary Huse
Why do you find it strange? What "secrets" do you think they are giving away? And to whom? Flights to the South Pole are not a secret!
Did they furnish the glasses?
This seems so cool! I wanna do it!
best travel video.
Didn't u went back again??
What would have made this vid 10,000x more cool: At the 27:00 Mark, everyone had to skydive out of the C130 and parachute to the South Pole Base camp... come one, you all know you thought it too... don’t lie
It's not a C130 but a C17
I now Its been so long after this was made how long did the trip take anything strange happened well deployed to the south pole and why they using USA military airplanes we have the same plans don't we..
Why American planes? Because the Amundsen-Scott Base is an American base. What's so strange to you?
I guess they know when they're there because the compass needle just starts spinning?
7:24 - what did he say? 5 hours 45 minutes?
22:31 - That cracks me up: the old "Soviet" style cockpit layout. The reason the Soviets still did that even into the 1980s was to give the crew more stuff to do. The third person did nothing but control the throttles so basically they had: one pilot, one copilot, one throttle person and one navigator. I'm sure the Soviets paid their crews terrible wages no matter how experienced they were.
No, that's a C-17 made by Douglas after WWII, it's old technology refurbished. It's not Soviet.
I'm cold and my nose is dripping just from watching this video. Haha.
I spent Christmas on Byrd in 1962.
Flat earthers will hate this for good...
why, what was proven here ? other than getting taken for $10,000+ on a restricted flight with no permission
Doesn't prove the earth is a globe.....
yeah - everything here did.... oh wait... the flight crew is all in on the massive cover up as well, they did not navigate using NAD 83 data as used by GPS to get there... flat earth idiots...
Earths curvature formula for a circumference of 24,901 miles is
8 inches per mile squared. You can not find and measure or prove any curvature exists anywhere. Water always find its level. Water doesn't curve either. Another impossibility of the fake globe model. Prove without using a government run space agency you live on a spinning wet ball hurdling through outer space at 3 different speeds and 3 different directions all at the same time.
@@kdkinen it isn't against the law to go there. it's a dangerous environment... it's like 40 below. not to mention they don't want it polluted. it isn't to hide an edge. it's too dangerous and hence why you need special flights and they son't want to pollute it.
C-17s are amazing. Was your flight on the C-17 freezing?
Most likely. I mean, those things aren't made for comfort. They're meant to move cargo and troops for as cheap as possible.
You think so. I was on the 'Ice' in the season of 62-63.