What is The Truth - Jennifer Soto - Madeline Soto Case
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- What is The Truth - Jennifer Soto - Madeline Soto Case #madelinesoto
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This video examines some of the elements that people assume are true but there is a reality that needs to be presented.
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The biggest red flags for me (besides the whole sleeping arrangement isssue) is
1. She nor Stephan told the police or media that Madeline has asthma and used a rescue inhaler. The fact that Maddie needed life saving medication made the situation of her being missing even more urgent.
2. She didn’t have photos ready and loaded on her phone for the police. They had THREE hours to wait until the police arrived.
3. She didn’t notice that one of the Crocs that Maddie was supposedly wearing that day was in her bedroom area under a window. What worried parent doesn’t search a bedroom for any clues about their missing child?
4. She and Stephan didn’t search for Maddie that night after the police left them. Jenn’s family went out on the streets to search, Jenn and Stephan went back to the condo to take benzos and try to sleep. Who would want to sleep or be able to sleep knowing their only child was lost somewhere out in the dark??
All of these things lead me to believe that there was no sense of urgency because both SS and JS knew that Madeline would not be found alive.
Good point about the croc shoe in her room. Also the Police noted they used (correct) past tense grammar when talking about Maddie. “When my daughter was dropped off” “was dropped off”, not when Stephan dropped her off, not when I dropped her off: instead an unowned comment “was dropped off”. Removing herself and her boyfriend from the equation.
Exactly!!!!
Solid comment 👍
Jenn did look for her. She waited for Maddie at the corner so if she walked by after school on the way to her Moms work. LE told her to wait at home while her family looked but they wanted someone at home in case she came home,
Shit my kids literally lose 1 croc all the time and we search for the other. Everthing you stated above can easily be explained
When I was sexually abused as a child, I somehow believed the abuse was my fault. I thought of how humiliated I would feel if anyone found out, so I can absolutely believe that Madeline hid the abuse and didn't tell a single person.
I am so sorry.
Yes I can believe you! I was being regularly beaten by my sadistic father in my bedroom with the door closed, and I told no-one because he did beat others including my mother. I kept quiet partly to protect my mother. It seems unbelievable looking back that I never told anyone, I think I also felt ashamed.
I understand but Jen actually let Madeline sleep with her daughter
Thank you for sharing 🙏 Your comment offers insight to those of us that haven't ever walked in those shoes.
@@MEL2theJ
Thank you Mel, it's an impossible position for a child to find themselves in ...
Jenn didn’t “allow” Maddie to sleep with Sterns, she gave Sterns permission to sleep with Maddie. BIG DIFFERENCE. I am a survivor of childhood SA, starting at age 7. I never told anyone. Unless you have lived experience, stop trying to understand Maddie’s motivations for staying silent. Your insistence on trying to prove Jenn innocent and keep your own narrative going is downright disrespectful to Maddie and all victims of childhood sexual abuse.
1 in 3 women have been sexually abused please don’t act like your the only one everyone has different experiences Some are threatened some are embarrassed
@@KortlandWilson It’s always great to read a woman supporting another woman 🙄. Nowhere in my comment did I imply I was the only one. I WAS suggesting that Gray cannot truly understand why Maddie never told anyone. He was implying that there was some weird, dark conspiracy beneath this story and the people that lay blame on Jenn are crazy. Have a wonderful day! You seem like a lovely person.
You tell them ... Preach And hugs
I watched the entire live, but didn't comment. I was engrossed in the content, and fully agree. Both Jen and Maddie were groomed, is my feeling. It is so much more clear to me in the way that you outlined it. THIS is what makes sense. Thank you, Gray! Best ever!
Yes, Jenn was groomed as well. But a mother is responsible for her child. Jenn endangered her child by her poor judgment.
Amen
I agree
Notice how he becomes inarticulate when he says “rifling through her…uh…backpack.”
If he didn’t live under a slimy rock, he’d know that dumping the victim’s backpack and shoe in the trash where you “live” is about as stupid as it gets.
Question is when is THIS WOMEN gonna be charged she as guilty as he is
As a parent, she failed. Parents recognize failure.
I agree somewhat BUT Jenifer worked mostly from home. He had a tripod set up in that room and sex items for YEARS.
No matter how much evidence is provided to the contrary all these people continue to think she was in on the whole thing. Literally disregarding every piece of evidence saying she had no idea. Personally i thnk the mother's behavior in raising her daughter was reckless but that does not equate criminality.
Reckless endangerment of a child? Child neglect? Negligence resulting in death?
@@steaphaniechapman1535GH and others keep asking what she could get charged with but then ignore the answers. I’ve seen experienced law enforcement and attorneys agree saying that any or all of those charges could apply to her. Recklessness leading to death is a second degree felony! These are serious crimes.
I agree. She made some questionable decisions but that doesn’t mean she was a criminal. I think it could equate to some naivety! Stephen was definitely manipulative… and I think he manipulated Jennifer. There’s no way that with the way he is that he wasn’t manipulating Jennifer, too.
I'm still undecided but very suspicious. I have to ask though, to the original comment, what's this evidence you're speaking of when you say people are "literally disregarding every piece of evidence saying she had no idea"? I don't think there's ANY evidence saying she didn't know, there's just not any evidence that proves that she DID. Those are 2 VERY different things!
@@hayleymariemillshas all of the evidence been released? I believe and have the same sentiment as this video, that it’s looking at the evidence that is there to determine JS’s involvement in the murder and based on that, she doesn’t appear to be involved or have any knowledge.
Everyone saying she knew or that she was negligent are saying this after the fact that Maddie is no longer here. None of us were in that house to know what truly went on, but my guess is if there is evidence that JS was aware and /or part of any SA, the police will have that evidence. Or at least I hope they do based on all of the photos and such that SS left a trail of. That would be a whole separate issue from the murder of sweet Maddie, may she rest in peace. I truly hope that JS was not involved- but time will tell I think.
JS is also a monster. Period.
Well LE don’t agree and either does Gray Hugh’s
What proof do you have, Please share because it would truly help with the investigation. Thank you
Don’t you find it negligent that she allowed them to sleep together ?
26:07 Great point. Stephan quite likely guilted Jenn with “I did this for you because you wanted to sleep in.” Manipulator, for sure.
Infuriating to hear that man speak up pretending to be helpful and the whole time he knows what he did and where she is. Sickening
I don't know why you are giving her so much leeway.....it sounds to me like you think her saying "we" was OK, and its not OK. She did say "we" even if she corrected it. Why say "we" if it was not "we"? I think she is protecting him.
I do think that. Often people say we in terms of family but each time said my boyfriend or partner dropped him off. What part of that did you not understand? you seem to have tunnel vision
@@GrayHughesInvestigates no I don’t. Funny that you say that though…. Seeing as how you’re an investigator. We all have our opinions I suppose, can’t fault me for that.
I can’t ever remember a time in my 47 years of life that I said “we” when I was alone OR said “we” when I wasn’t even In the situation. The only time that somebody would do that is if they are lying!!!
@@ldlepine89 I feel like his response to you was absolutely uncalled for and rude!!
@@thatswhatshesaid6326 that’s exactly how I felt. Why did he feel the need to attack me?
I think Jennifer is very naive and easily manipulated. Stephan is the monster, he groomed Maddie and Jennifer.
I find disturbing Mom lying about Maddie being dropped of by ‘We’
Did you not watch this video? @gray Hughes investigates just went through half of this video explaining how this is not true!🙄
@@sconnielassie isn't that amazing?
@@GrayHughesInvestigates people 🤯.
@@sconnielassie Put the pitchfork down. Looks like the evidence shows "We" is a term for an agreement made well before that morning.
I will often use 'we' even though it is my husband, we means "us in the household". Clearly Jenn was including Stern in their household.
Also with all of sterns' old friends and ex partners have stories about this guy. I have a hard time believing jennifer never picked up on this guys true intentions.
He even mentions that when maddy was younger she took inappropriate pics on her phone. Id love to know the details of that story. Sure sounds like jennifer found something on someones phone and sterns couldnt hide it and blamed it on maddy.
7:00 min: No, she does NOT tell the reallity of it each time!! To the contrary!!! In the first police interview she said "We dropt her off...", and to one of Maddies friend she said "I dropt her off..."!! To my recollection, this is the ONLY time she admits that it was Stephan who dropt Maddie off.
Did you watch the video? She interchanges we/him/my partner several times. It seems like grooming to me and that SS basically brainwashed JS.
We can all ask NOW, how did JS not know, but the fact is, none of us lived in the house to know what was going on. I’m hopeful that with the trail of pictures and video that SS left that there has to be proof of any involvement on JS’s part. But that is a while separate issue from Maddie’s murder.
It’s sort of frustrating to read all these comments about JS…people are so quick to judge before knowing the full story or ever being in a situation where they were manipulated. I’m not saying that happened, but we have to wait until more information is presented.
I can't even finish this video because my heart and gut say she is involved and regardless she is guilty of dumbest stupidity and neglect and had her baby girl killed for her ignorance period. She brought this man into their life!!!
I agree. I lost a little respect for Gray after this video
Thank you Gray for debunking the lies and pushing the truth!
This has to be the most ignorant comment on this video. How is he pushing the truth when you can hear it out of the mother’s mouth her lies?!?
@@thatswhatshesaid6326 watch the video, you might learn something
@paulettelehnert8222 thank you too for supporting the truth!
@Esther_Melgoza Thank you to you too Esther for supporting Truth! 💕
I recall instances when people who speak calmly about things that are really unbearable to them. It just explodes in other ways.
We often say “we”
In our house. It’s like an agreement thing. I don’t know. For example, just the other day; I said to my mother in law “we” just went to the store and spent $100. But it was just me. I think it’s just a think that most people say stuff like that without even thinking.
I caught this too. Thank you for doing this video.
In addition, no mom wants to think about anything happening to their children. So I think it’s natural for her not to think about that.
I so question them sleeping in the same bedroom- but I think it’s because we now know more. There were definitely red flags. I agree. I can understand though why she may not have suspected anything.
Not to be rude, but I think it’s weird that you said “we” went to the store!? That doesn’t even seem logical to me that you would include other people with you on a trip to the store when you were by yourself!?
Of course, no parent wants to believe something bad that happened to the child but if my child was missing, that would be the FIRST thing that I would think of!!! Not to mention, I would probably be inconsolable!!
🙄
Gray, I'm with you on your perspective of Jenn. I do not at all believe she was involved, nor do I believe she participated, and I do not at all hear her lying for Stephan. She's a grieving mother, he groomed and fully manipulated them both. Everyone seems to be bashing her, but I believe she is telling the truth and did not know what happened until she found out. She seems aggravated with him as he keeps butting in.
You didn’t hear her lying??? She blatantly said “we” how can you not hear that??? lol and you don’t feel like she participated??? She was having her child sleep with her boyfriend!! That seems like participation to me!?
She is at fault! You’d think a having child who was SA before would make a mother more vigilant with her daughter not give her away for free
@thatswhatshesaid6326 she also said he was the one that dropped her off. Did you not watch the video??? No lying from Jen.
So Jen is not guilty of anything but blatantly lying to police?
The we can refer as “ we” as a family unit .
Excellent video...thank you for great videos❤
Very very weird how youre the only one who isnt seeing the utter shadiness of this lady.
Exactly 🤬
The only one? Umm yeah no there are plenty
@@beanj580 weird cause every comment, every video on her, literally sees the same thing. Here…you could use this: 👓 👀
There is no way jennifer is that nieve that she really thought there was nothing going on when she would send that disgusting person to sleep in a bed with her CHILD!!!!
As for Madeline not saying anything to anyone, if you thankfully have never been SA you have no idea the thought process of the person and what they are being told. It is not out of the norm for someone being SA don't say anything
True, on your last comment! 💥 👊
Thank Gray!!
Gray, I asked a psychiatrist why all of these people are blaming this mother for something her boyfriend did,,, and the psychiatrist said they are looking for a salacious story and making the mother look bad makes them feel better about themselves because they feel they are better than this mother
Funny. I asked TWO psychiatrists, and one of them is a forensic psychiatrist, and both agree she reeks of guilt
I think you explained that part of this crime well .. I understand it alot better now thanks
There's a few more lies.
1. In the original statement to Police 26 Feb, 2027 Jen Soto states she went to school in an attempt to pick up Maddy but Maddy never came out. Jet states she searched the area for a while, before eventually going to Grandmothers work/home. but the next day she instead states in statement of 27 Feb 2024 that she realised she left at 2.30, waited, then realises she was holding up pick up line and so leaves and heads to the grandmothers work close by.
2. At 8.22 AM Jennifer's phone is pinging at home, because it's active and allegedly she is still in bed at this point according to her statement, but in another she claims at 8-8.15 she physically got up to help with the leash so the dog wouldn't wet the bed. If that's true then she would have possibly seen Maddy in the car.
It all depends on your theory of the case. I agree it's possible she didn't know, as her statements seem to align with time frames - but other statements also align with time frames if we assume that at the point Stephen leaves to put Maddy in the boot, it is possible he either drips her at the appointment. It's also entirely possible she leaves her phone at home for the trip to drop off the body. I find it incredibly odd how quick she is to shut down the possibility of her communicating to anyone from the moment Maddy got home, after the party and to assert it with absolute certainty. Maddy's friends statement reports that Maddy didn't enjoy her party at all. She advertised it, not many people turned up, she was upset with her Mom for not buying gifts or giving her enough money. It doesn't seem like she was "so happy" at all. What if we assume that an argument or something happens that night. Somehow both are involved. It would be in each others interest to build a joint understanding of their movements that day. I do think you're right in that Jen Soto's biggest failing may be that perhaps she's guilty of, at worst, being a neglectful Mother. The statements from Maddy's friends seem to echo that at least. But could both be true? Is it necessarily so mutually exclusive? It would be interesting to get a little more data as to the accuracy or approximate distance each ping covers, and then test out an alternative case theory. To test if it is possible or plausible that something goes wrong the night before, Jen knows, and whether this could possibly be a co-ordinated effort.
And I her you - What would Jen have to gain? Well if somehow she had a hand in the death of Maddy - then I think given that she's certainly got more empathy than Stephan, she might very much want to be there to lay her daughter down at a final resting place. I think Jen would be driven by guilt and confusion and shame whereas Stephan is, as you so rightly point out, a psychopath:
Jenn Soto is she connected to some higher authorities, as she is still out there freelancing her life. Maybe she is protected by someone, so she is not brought in for further questioning of what kind of mother feeds the sexual boyfriend predator her daughter, just like that.She can go to jail we'weeing with her killer boyfriend.
Did you take off your last Jen Soto vid where you said that she said that she did not know what was going on ??????
She must mean we as in, parents either one or both because she didn't think he had involvement? Was she not panicked because she thought she had ran off with a friend etc?
This somewhat reminds me of summer wells. No matter how crappy tye parents were, there has been no evidence that they are involved in the dissapearance
Thank you for all you do
I think the poor child was drugged and wasn't aware, the mother being bipolar are also usually on heavy medication especially at night because they don't sleep well
She should at least be charged with neglect
I don't agree as they lived as a family unit and they did things they usually did for year's.
Jen trusted that clown, unfortunately.
Did they, he, she always drop her near the school, or was that a one time thing.
JS said that church was “right next” to the school. The police say the spot SS says he dropped her off at is a half mile away from school! That isn’t “right next to”.
@@vickyfloyd7860 no
@@MKUltra42 the school is under the highway and a bit away from the school.
If your kid is missing first thing you do ask your boyfriend to show you his phone bc you want to see if he had any conversation/fight with her. She didn’t ask for his phone and was not suspicious that both of their phones are home? If she would check his phone and saw everything deleted she would know right away something is up and as caring mother would run to detectives to inform them. If my daughter is missing everyone is a suspect I would be detective immediately. I would be first one in the office of complex to check cameras. Why she didn’t do that?
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I’m starting to believe Maddie was heavily sedated in the car when she was slumped
I'm in the minority but I'm with you Grey, I think Jen was groomed and overmedicated and out of touch, also withdrawn from Maddie but not a murderer or " in on it "also. I'm wondering if he convinced Jen that she and Maddie also had ADHD and mental issues like himself when they did not actually just in an attempt to get them on meds also. I think he definitely tried convincing Jen maddie was vulnerable and he saw "symptoms " and she needed his "help" and comfort or whatever crap he told her.. He tries to come off as a hero and I think she believed it all till this moment. I believe she and Maddie might have emotional issues we all go through but somehow was convinced it was worse . My Ex used my illness to keep me under control all under a guise of " I'm following you, won't let you go out alone or leave you alone because I care or am worried" and I believed it. Just a thought...
Absolutely! Completely agree with your comment albeit true I’m not ashamed to be a part of the minority too. lol
About that we comment…couldn’t it be that Stephan maybe told her something on the line of, “you know they’re going to try to pin this on me because I was alone with her/last person to see her. You have to say that we took her and dropped her off”?
Why are you guys protecting Jenn soto???
are we still talking about this? if the picture isn't complete can we please talk/investigate her background or ss's? far more interesting....bring back the interviews, with commentary and discussion!
Really? Really? Maddie only used that area in the living room for ??? WTH? Makeshift room with bed etc and she only did to "hang out" SMFH...
I agree with your analysis
Just like everyone is saying Jenn lied about what maddie was wearing. She literally said " I think she had black shorts". Maddies teacher said she wore black shorts daily, so it would make sense to assume this. It's so ridiculous
I feel like if she had something to do with it, she would be arrested by now. I think that she has many psychological problems and she was abusing Stephen’s medication and so was he. She also bought Madeline‘s phone with her when she tried to pick her up at school and spent a lot of time trying to find her when she did not come out of the school. Stephen was taking a nap at the time because he had taken medication for his so-called anxiety. He did not bother to look for her because he knew what had happened to her, Jen did not know what happened and seemed concerned about Madeline‘s well-being. I’m sure she is regretting the decisions that she made and for trusting Stephen as she did!! There were no concerns from the school from her biological father or anybody else so why would Jen question if something was going on with them? And why is the mother just getting blamed?
That’s not true. They could have a plan or reason we don’t know about but going by speedy arrests as your way to determine someone’s innocence will lead you down a path of disappointment
Dear gawd @GrayHughes reading through these comments is a scary thing. To think this is what society has become. 🤦🏽♀️
They know it all. They know more than the police and the investigators. I feel like I’m being punked or trolled reading them. 🙄
Me too! I definitely hear what you’re saying
Dear God! If you still through you will see that the rest of us still have brains and intelligence, whereas people like you think it’s ok for a mother to let a grown man sleep with her daughter! DEAR GOD…I hope you don’t have kids!
One of ur redacted names is wrong ... ....where it says , "......whether or not is was normal to allow ...should be MADDIE ... to sleep in the same room as Stephan ...
She is negligent
Stephan probably kept Jennifer high on drugs.
I think it’s time that we stop placing the blame on other people and make individuals accountable for their own actions!!
That’s not an excuse lmao she is at fault even more than he is
I was wrong. Jen is innocent. what a twist in the story. Your video makes so much sense. I see it. I have seen it a couple of times but I rejected it because I was too comfortable holding a pitchfork. Forgive me Jen and my condolences. God bless her
I too now see the light. 😉
😂😂😂😂
@@NEnigma777 Not everyone disagrees and spews out mockery unless they are spiritually broken and looks like you just want someone to blame for the injustice on Maddy. I feel the same but when you are wrong, YOU ARE WRONG. Watch the video again and bring back your evidence to show Jens's part in the grooming and mind games that took her daughter's life in more ways than one or you will need to emotionally grow up. God bless you
@@sabrinalennox2004 I am relieved to see the truth come out and God bless you. Not everyone can easily put their pitchfork and torch away.
ANYONE that believes allowing YOUR PARTNER to SLEEP with YOUR CHILD, IN A SEPARATE ROOM to be ok... not only do you need help, but you should not be able to have children under your care.
Don’t judge people because this guy made it seem NORMAL to THEM!
Yes, plz don’t birth any more kids!!!
@@jenreilly8058 no, absolutely not. not an excuse. he was her ex-boyfriend at one point, and she still allowed him to go over to her house just to "cuddle" with Madeline... it doesn't matter how you choose to paint it (view it), that's NOT NORMAL! WE AS PARENTS ARE HERE TO PROTECT THEM... not hand them over to the monster.
@@jenreilly8058 I've dealt with this before... A MOTHER KNOWS!!! YOUR CHILD DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO TELL YOU BUT YOU WILL KNOW SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!
@@jenreilly8058 um, no. No way.
Grey
She let Maddie and Stephan alone since she was 8
I don’t believe she was ever hyper vigilant about leaving them alone
Nothing stated since she was 8 . She met Stephan when maddie was 8
@@beanj580Sterns had been S/A Maddy since she was 8 years old. LE have found ALL the evidence in his phone. That poor child went through HELL in her own home for 5 YEARS. While her Mother slept in her own bedroom. It’s incomprehensible to me?
@@debi6666documents did state he had images of SA' ing her since age 8 but we have no confirmation he slept alone in bed with her since age 8. Jenn made horrible parenting choices.
I don't care if he "manipulated" jennifer, she has a duty as a mother to keep her daughter safe. Sending her to bed with your ex boyfriend should never, ever be normal or OK.
People are "manipulated" into involving themselves of all sorts of crimes. Do they get some sort of pass for that? Why did the mother say she saw Maddy getting dressed that morning when it's been proven she was no longer alive at that point?
Watch this video! Maybe you’ll get the answer!
Exactly
I agree with you. I’m so sick of this new society we are living in where we can just blame others for our own negligence
Don't forget SS TOLD JS he had already given Maddie her "nighttime medication" so Jen sent her INCAPACITATED child to another room to sleep alone with her ex boyfriend.
I think she might of been a little slow.
Sorry, no, it's out that Madeline had been assaulted beginning at age 8, so no way her mother was at all vigilant. Even if she had nothing to do with her daughters death, she is responsible by way of neglect, and that's at the bare minimum.
grooming
EXACTLY
Sorry, I disagree. I would not allow my kids to sleep with anyone but me.
She can't possibly be that naive. He had been abusing her since 8.
Agree, lock her up.
Did you even watch the video? I didn't say that.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesur the only one that's using common sense instead of emotion to analyze this case. Ty....makes me feel less...crazy
I allowed my son to sleep with his stepdad when I traveled for work and he was scared to sleep alone. I’m not naive nor a bad parent. The Stephan Sterns of the world are the exception not the rule.
@@43ShaDeyhow is that common sense? Her daughter was abused and had videos made of her for 4 years
(Copy paste of my earlier comment to a now removed video.)
Jen lied way to much for a mother of a missing 13 year old. Groomed or not, you don’t lie to the police who try to find your daughter and need all the facts.
About the black shorts: Maddie’s teacher said iirc that she would wear a green hoodie and shorts when it was “sports day”. So maybe that monday was a sports day and that is why Jen corrected SS based on a logical assumption.
I don’t think she was involved with the murder. I do still think she has guilty knowledge. Don’t get me started about the sleeping arrangements. Groomed or not, no excuse for that. At all. None, zero.
"She was last seen wearing.....
....and thats about it".
Weird as.
Not normal.
Lied to FRIENDS LOTHER about dropping her off at 845. Also not a normal slip to say "saw" versus "heard"
Maddie didn't have her own room!
Jenn was not invited to maddie's birthday.
It was not a pleasant household for Maddie.
So you think LE is just letting this abuser out and about!
As GHI just pointed out, she only lied once about seeing her in the morning. That could have been a genuine mistake. She might also have been lying to cover for her own lackluster parenting.
@@BettyBlack99 Even when he doesn't answer the question about did she go to school, Jen asks to repeat the question. It looks like she knows the truth but doesn't want to be gaslit about the accusation so she stays quiet. I'm only speculating because I don't know if Steven would make Jen out to be smart when he isn't or that could blow his cover.
Do you know how many kids do not have their own room in the USA??? My son goes over to friends and they have multiple families living in one home. They share rooms. Many people live in apartments too with multiple kids. The do not have their own room.
Jen lied for him - who lets daughter sleep with an adult male ?
I just don’t know how a mum can be manipulated or groomed to think it was ok to let a grown man sleep with your young daughter
There were too many red flags. Jen ignored it. She needs to be charged. I don't care how much he groomed her. She's an adult. There was so much going on with Maddie. Red flags everywhere. She turned a blind eye.
I recently learned there were people renting rooms in that condo possibly family members and they said nothing and a girlfriend of the monster said he said he is sleeping with a 12 year old and this person did nothing!!
Jennifer was disagreeing with stephan about what shorts she was wearing in the first encounter with police. If she didn't see her, why disagree?
yes exactly and she was found wearing blue jeans
sterns said black or blue pants. If jennifer knew she was dead, why would it matter what clothes she is seen in. Changing the type of clothing is irrelevant. What gain did she get from it? She likely thought that is what she would be wearing because perhaps she set it aside for her. since Maddie was dead explain the strategic advantage by giving the wrong pant or short type?
@GrayHughesInvestigates if during their initial search, they encountered someone who said they saw a girl walking alone wearing black shorts that would mean they weren't the last ones to see her. I have no idea if that happened, but its a possible reason to lie about what she was wearing.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesyes 👏 👏👏👏
@@mr.tomatohead5648 but we know Maddie was already deceased because they have him on video moving her body and her in the front seat likely already deceased. It was probably not her.
Jennifer lived with her and barely worked. Any mother can tell when something is bothering or off with her child.
I couldn't disagree more.
Jennifer had to know something was going on you don’t just send your daughter to go sleep with your boyfriend never I have been with my husband for 18 years and would never let my daughter sleep with my husband ever she sent Maddie to a creep and she knew it
Thank you for the information Gray Hughes Investigates 👍
What struck me is that she sent her daughter packing to another room with her boyfriend but the dog got to sleep in her bed
Before watching this channel & having my critical thinking skills kicked back into gear… I morbidly wanted to think Jenn was involved.
She’s not.
She probably feels like such 💩 for all of this! And rightfully so… but MS was her one and only child. She’s definitely reevaluating EVERYTHING in life rn. She probably had a bad relationship w MS bc of SS and him grooming/trying to put a wedge between mother and daughter.
at least there is no evidence currently
Gray, Ignorance isnt a defense to neglect.. at the least neglect..
Also lying about seeing maddy in the moning was a lie.. gray,how do you justify that lie?? You pass right over this fact while it black and white in the sworn statement
I explained it in the video. try and pay attention
@GrayHughesInvestigates i watch all your videos, and I am paying attention. Maybe I'm paying too much attention to a you tuber that doesn't appreciate his viewer watching and trying to have dialog with the creator. I will just keep my comments to myself. Thanks for the content..
GH: What I don't understand is how you can put a screenshot from a document up on the screen that clearly says "Jennifer said she SAW Maddie..." and then try to use it to prove your point she didn't lie? My dad was former NYPD, cops don't make up words in their reports.. they use the words the person said, in fact, you'll even see them use exact phrases they feel are important to the case and they'll quote the person (ie: SS "time to kill"...) Did you ask yourself, if the cops were confused, who caused the confusion? I have all the docs, Jen first says to LE she "observed" Maddie, then she "saw" Maddie. One of the cops noted Jen's inconsistencies in an Incident Report in the docs. Jen told one officer she saw Maddie at 8 am MONDAY, however the officer filing this report notes that Jen told him she last saw Maddie at 2300 hours on SUNDAY. Inconsistencies or lies? or, as you are saying, Jen told the truth and it's the cops fault for not writing what she said correctly. Come on! But go on, you can choose to protect the women who didn't protect her child and lied or covered it up to LE...Having anxiety and being tired does not absolve you from providing basic supervision to ensure the well being of your child.
if she believed it to be "NORMAL" it wouldn't have been a secret.
do you really believe that he was "that good" AS MESSY as he was and ALL the evidence they have against him do you really believe that he was "that good"?
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Mr Hughes, have you lost your mind ? because I'll help you find it!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I’m wondering if he’s taking the unpopular opinion for more clicks???
@@NEnigma777 Delphi suspect and Kohberger didn't get his view of innocence in his videos. I personally think they're all guilty
Thanks again for showing logical thoughts and facts 👍
Believe me there are moms who are that naive. I had one in my family. She was so trusting and never thought anyone that she knew would do anything like that to her daughter. She found out and called the police.
While I understand we don’t need an echo chamber in here, I do think you’re right on AGAIN, @Gray Hughes Investigates
with your perception of the grooming of Jennifer Soto by Stephan Sterns. With only the known facts, there’s absolutely nothing to prove mom knew anything about the SA and ultimately the murder of Madeleine. I’m not ready to say otherwise so I’m with you on this. Sorry mom’s, not everyone has that motherly instinct. 😒 it’s infuriating that Maddie endured such events until her murder. Just awful!
Yep!
Her mum should be in jail child neglected
Unless she was raised that way herself.
Most likely.
We or I is really a moot point now, don't you think? Mother allowed, and sent, her daughter to share a bed with bf. No mother who cares one iota about her child would do that. I totally disagree with grooming of mother. Maddie was being assaulted from the beginning of the relationship so there was flagrant neglect, possibly a "don't care, don't want to be bothered" attitude from the very beginning. Regardless, mother is culpable in the abuse.
Im loving your coverage 👍 the approx 30 min video's are perfect for me.Thankyou Gray 👏🔥👏
Same. I start to become not as focused after 30 minutes. I don't mean too, it just happens. I definitely CAN'T do those 2 hr. Lives. example T rex or Dolly vision with yapping women. 😫
I believe is that Jennifer was not groomed she is a grown woman and knows right from wrong I think that she took so many drugs that it just didn't matter just as long as she got her drugs I don't believ that she cared one thing about Maddie I do not think she had any kind of motherly instincts for Maddie who knows she may be doing the same thing she didn't even care enough to go to her child's 13th birthday party get real Jen is evil to Maddie herself because it is plainly said that Jennifer does like women as well as men I think that she is evil and that she did not care one bit about her daughter she only cared for herself
She’s intentionally causing confusion. Any mother worth her salt would never allow her child to sleep with a boyfriend. Innocent or not. Trust no one with your children. Unfortunately you don’t get second chances once it’s happened. She knew full well what was going on IMO
She was looking in a backpack... After he put it in the dumpster... She slept half way but wanted to walk the rest of the way 🤔🤔🤔🤔💬 🤔🤔
The truth is that she knew what was going on in her home and she let it happen. And still has no remorse for what she allowed to happen to her beautiful daughter. She is just as guilty if not more . People can't you see it she's a monster and needs to be locked up!
I agree about the WE! I’ve always thought that Stephan said, OMG… They are gonna blame me! If they find out I was with her last! Oh. No! We don’t want them to focus on me instead of the villians
Half a block away try half mile away
I wonder why she disliked her daughter so much that she said she was gonna disown her daughter at 18 and gave away her ashes to her Maddies dad.
Ppl will analyze every word and assign a meaning to each one. It’s weird. They have done the same thing with Katie and Chris Proudfoot. Because they have used a different term or let a little more info out ppl say they have changed their story. Yt is full of bizarre ppl. It’s crazy.
Well thank God we don’t all use the “we” when “we” are not involved cause I mean what the use of learning the right way to talk to be precise and express ourselves 😉 I respect your opinion but opting out cannot listen to someone making excuses for a absent mother , seemingly uncaring and this is the result , I just can’t
How's everyone this fine scorcher of a day
She was more than likely embarrassed about what was going on.
I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video. The black shorts comment was an assumption by Jen because she was usually wearing black shorts, which explains that comment. Her sending them to sleep together is troubling. My biggest issue with her is her smirking during her interview while the dog feeder recording was playing. That was so weird and troubling in my opinion. I believe he groomed Maddie and Jen, but I believe Jen had some knowledge after the murder and was afraid to tell because he convinced her she’d be blamed because she sent them to sleep alone in room 4. She denied being able to recognize his genitalia in the CSAM. She checks into rehab as soon as he’s arrested. What’s up with that? I’m not sure if she has any involvement with the murder but think her behavior with the smirking and grinning and repeating an obviously scripted statement every time, is cause for suspicion.
wasn't that a parrot?
for me the ping data and her statements line up. Her repeating the version stephan sterns told her makes sense as she didn't want to drive maddie that morning and felt like she had trust and believe Stern's story and she had no reason not to trust him. Makes sense to me.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesvery possibly, or a timed recording on a device at a set feeding time.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates I can see that perspective as well. I don’t want to condemn her but am really troubled by her smirking and general behavior during the interview at the apartment. The interview at her mother’s office was more in line with a normal response in my opinion. I won’t be surprised if it’s discovered that she had knowledge after the murder and he frightened or threatened her. Once she crossed that line it was too late.
She also still claimed he was her "partner."
Glad that we KNOW NOW... that most of the evidence was from this "makeshift room with bed" had so much evidence.
Thank you so much for your honest and complete assessment of Jennifer's statements. I don't think she is guilty of a crime. I think she was an easy target for a psychopathic predator's manipulation. I would not have parented my child the same way, I would not even have roommates living with my child (better to live in a lower cost neighborhood without roommates). That still doesn't mean she consciously harmed her child or is guilty of a crime.
Hey, I noticed something, when she said "he drove away" the tone of voice is the same tone we use with kids when we want them to repeat or learn what we are saying. (He drove away! So that mean he repeatedly told her what to said listen to that again… (he drove way)
right he told her the story of what he did that day and she remembered it. Probably told her over and over. yet she still says he drove her to school over and over.
He said he dropped her off & it was just like any other day. Any other day, he wasn’t the one that took her to school
I agree Gray I appreciate you breaking this down. This is the process of investigating, as your channel states. Gray Hughes INVESTIGATES. You are awesome and love your channel!