The ENDING EXPLAINED!! and why it makes sense
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Ever wondered how ALL the Dragons disappeared after How To Train Your Dragon The Hidden World? How Toothless brought EVERY SINGLE dragon across the Archipelago into the hidden world? Well, today we will answer these questions!
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Ending Explained
All Dragons Disappeared
All Dragons Gone
TTFN, Ta Ta For Now!
Imagine people like Heather & Dagur watching their dragons fly away, never to return, and with no explanation :(
Edit: Not to mention the people living on that island with the lava-eating dragon are doomed
I always wonder what about all their Allie’s from dragons edge? And the sea dragons ?!!? Like unless there’s an underwater channel linking down there
You realize this means, if every dragon left, that means the Eruptodon did too, which means the Defenders of the Wing had a horrifying apocalypse where their Great Protector suddenly flies away and leaves the volcano to just destroy the village and let them fend for themselves
@@jneumy566plus if he was taken from there his hunger would grow insatiable and probably seek out dormant volcanoes to eat destroying some of the islands in the process (ones with dormant volcanoes) idk if it’s common to see inactive volcanoes there but it could pose a risk to some places
There is definitely a water tunnel because we see Seashockers in the hidden world.
It was already said by Dean I think that Toothless going to the hidden world triggered a mass migration of sorts. Which is silly of course. Not to mention Valka has disabled dragons...
Am I the only one who never really liked Toothless being the alpha? I don’t know why, but it just really bothered me. And the whole aspect of an ALPHA dragon kinda annoyed me a bit. Like yeah, I liked Valka’s Bewilderbeast because it didn’t really order the dragons to do anything. He just fed them, protected them, and gave them shelter. And in turn, the dragons respected him cause he was kind and caring. But for Toothless, we don’t really see him do anything like that at all. In the comics, we see dragons feed HIM cause they’re ‘paying tribute to their new alpha’. And in the third movie, Toothless just roars at any dragon that does something he doesn’t like and they bow to him. (Which also happens in the comics) And let’s not forget him just making ALL the Berk dragons just leave on a whim and not giving a fuck about their human riders. Because what, he SAID so? There wasn’t one dragon that was like ‘no, I’m good, I don’t wanna leave and you can’t make me’. Like I don’t know, that’s just my opinion.
Toothless is a good alpha, but idk, Valka's Bewilderbeast looks better in some ways.
@@marceloaugusto9787 "good alpha"
Also Toothless: Sent hundreds of dragons into the cages for the sake of one wich he met 2-3 days ago☠️.
@@trier_Ra609 They wanted to follow him 🗣🗣
@@marceloaugusto9787 I'm sure they didn't want to stay with their riders, fight Grimmel and save their alpha)
And even if we don't include this scene Toothless still didn't show himself like good leader. He became one because he challenged Bewilderbeast FOR HICCUP (actually a dubious achievement because Toothless had help from the dragon army and Bewilderbeast wasn't killed, he was simply forced to run away), not because he has enough leadership qualities, actually half of his pack are dragons from Valka's nest and he has absolutely no experience of interacting with them. Cloudjumper would be more suitable in this regard. In the third film, he practically did nothing as an alpha in principle. The only scenes are when he stops Crimson Goregutter (after he destroyed a third of the village and after Hiccup told him) and chasing away Hobbgubler from the soup bowl. Well, there’s also the scene where all the dragons in the Hidden World bow to him because... it’s a night fury??? It makes no sense that these dragons knew of any of his accomplishments from the surface.
So you're literally saying he just should've let one dragon die and that didn't matter?
If it had been ANY other character (since you clearly don't like the Light Fury) you wouldn't be complaining.
It's a good day when NewOrca uploads
They basically just sent them all to die...with The Hidden World having barely any food, no fresh, drinkable water, and limited space...especially if every single dragon in the world was forced down there, that'd include things like other Red Deaths, Bewilderbeasts, Screaming Deaths, etc.
Also, the dragons as a universal species are all basically keystone species in all their environments; so taking them out would be detrimental.
It's hard to work around it too as Dean and disembodied narrator Hiccup both say *all* dragons went...which makes no real sense. Toothless isn't an alpha species of dragon, it makes no sense at all how he just became king of all dragons in the entire world, and to add on to the lunacy of it all, was able to call ALL of them in the world to the hidden world.
Toothless was the alpha of berk's pack because the dragons respected him and were indebted to him for saving them all. He was their pack's alpha out of respect, not because he was an alpha species with any abilities. That also means while he is the alpha of berk's flock specifically, he has no sway or control over any dragons outside his pack - it'd be like calling Hiccup the king of all humans just because he became Berk's chief.
Furthermore the myth that all dragons came from the hidden world is just that - a myth. They may not have, and if they did originate from there, it must have been millions of years ago. It's like saying how all life came from the ocean, but if you threw an elephant, lion, and a human in the middle of the Atlantic...they'd die.
They've clearly evolved to be above ground and to fill their own niches in their own ecosystems.
They also were not in any extinction-level danger to begin with; all the dragons were doing well and thriving when *ALL* humans were hunting them down, and it's only gotten better for them now that various groups of humans have started to work with them and protect them instead of killing them. They'd be in even less danger than they were before, which wasn't even any before. They weren't endangered or anything of the sort beforehand, they'd be in even less danger now.
And not to mention how most would die down there, aside from the few fish that fall down there the only other food available down there is other dragons, and of course there will be all those dragon-eating dragons down in there too.
And dragons like speedstingers would die of fall damage at the entrance - if they can even make it that far.
Buffalord and other dragons with specific dies would die off too, and dragons like skrills will be handicapped too because they won't be able to charge and store lightning from thunderstorms, since they're underground. They'd be defenseless.
They were all basically put in an unnecessary safe room with no water, barely any food, limited space, and a handful of cannibals...and told never to return to the surface again.
Multiple dragons of all sorts were seen bowing down to Toothless in the hidden world. Pretty sure that means...the hidden world IS good enough to care for all the dragons, so no dragon starved. Yes it's true that outside the hidden world wasn't much different, but some dragons may have moved out for other reasons.
As to how all the dragons just suddenly disappeared and pretty much nobody knows about them now except Hiccup's friends and descendants, I have no clue. I'm simply saying that the dragons wouldn't have been negatively impacted by this.
@thorodinson6625 There is clear evidence though that they would be negatively effected in more ways than one - only reason any were in there to start and began bowing to toothless (for no reason, might I add), was because of how many plotholes the movie has.
There clearly isn't enough food in there, or variety of food (things like yaks, sheep, boar, and other foods dragons eat aren't down there for example)
There wouldn't be enough to supply all of them; especially is several Red Deaths show up.
And as far as we know, they have no water in there at all: all the water we see being seawater connected to the ocean...which is undrinkable.
And again, the dozens of dragon-eating species that have tons of cornered prey.
@@Dinologan1015 actually there are a few freshwater lagoons here and there. Plus I do remember there also being insects of various sizes, from regular size to dragon sized in some cases. Then again, there's also fish, which is the most popular dragon prey in this universe. As well as rocks and plants for other creatures. Eh, don't really know. If there wasn't enough food and water for the dragons in the hidden world, all of them would have dipped out after toothless died and the modern world would know about them, not just Rakke Town.
The Nine Realms isn't canonical, my guy.
It's plants and foliage, it's bugs and weird dragons, it's water sources and other locations don't actually exist in-canon.
It's all faulty and unrelated.
@@Dinologan1015 assuming there was anything to confirm the nine realms isn't canon, the third film still didn't explore the entirety of the hidden world, so there's no logical way of saying the dragons don't have enough food there. All we saw was a few glimpses at a few locations. It's like simply covering a deserted part of an island and claiming there's no food when you haven't explored the entire island. There is legit proof of dragons existing there in their millions.
Also, what plot holes?
This is why the ending of the third movie is not canon to me
While you make a solid argument,as I hate the ending. You also bring up another problem,if toothless did indeed call every dragon in the archipelago then he is a bad guy. As he controlled the dragons into leaving there homes
Controling dragons isn't inhertantly a bad thing. He gives boundaries, just like in society. Your're free to do what you want, but there are somethings you can't
@NewOrca ah so it's bad when other characters do controlling and stuff like the red death and Drago... but when Httyd 3 Toothless does it it's just fine? Amazing writing, Dean 10/10
For the fossil part, maybe the dragon remains can't be found because their structure is made of cartilage like sharks. The cartilage would, what's the word? Erode, disintegrate? I'm not sure
Kinda like birds then, hollow bones and cartiledge degrade away faster than normal bone which in the first place only take around 20 years to be broken down unless they are in very specific cirvumstances like being in tar for a few million years
It would be like if the president had mind control,and ordered all of us to go to a certain area because he is happy there, thinking that everyone would be ok with this
My view point, is of a neutral take. Because containing power inevitably has good and bad connotations. It's kinda to deep of a topic to go into through a youtube comment.
@@NewOrca I just think it was kinda lazy move on the writers to leave it so vague and just say"all dragons are gone and everyone forgot about them in a the span of a few years".
It's just a bit unrealistic that the dragons who supposedly were a big problem for humans,are forgotten.
@@fantasytales1972 to be fair we only see the perspectives of Berkians afterwards, so it could take a lot longer than a few years
@@NewOrcajudging by how hiccup looks and how old his and Astrids kids seem to be i rhink around 5-10 years had passed, I dont think its realistic everyone forgot about dragons in that short time unless they outlawed talking about dragons or something
@@Roman_the_black_cat but nobody forgot about dragons tho... Apart from the kids who still knew of dragons but in a different way. We dont know about the rest of the world and i interpreted hiccups speech for modern audiences, hence why it was narration.
I genuinely think Hiccup and Toothless could've made the world a better place for the dragons. It's a shame that they gave up
6 years of constant fighting didn't convince you they couldn't?
Constant fighting? They weren't fighting constantly and when they did fight they beat every single villain they came across. They had fights and conflicts even when they weren't friends with the dragons anyway. The whole point was that they understood they were going to get into conflicts but were going to fight to overcome that because they loved each other and believed in their bonds. Just because something is difficult or dangerous doesn't mean it isn't worth the struggle. That's why Hiccup says "those who attacked us are crazy, but those that stopped them? even more so." and "bit by bit, we will change this world"
Now I don't disagree that giving up is the right option sometimes but it doesn't fit into a franchise with two movies, shorts and tv shows about how strong and badass the bond between human and dragon is and how determined they are to fight for it. It just didn't fit thematically, especially when every villain faced prior was way more threatening than Grimmel. I mean Drago had a mountain sized dragon with mind control and their friendship beat that.@@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome
Constant fighting? There were villains yes but thet weren't fighting constantly and when they did fight they beat every single villain they came across. They had fights and conflicts even when they weren't friends with the dragons anyway. The whole point was that they understood they were going to get into conflicts but were going to fight to overcome that because they loved each other and believed in their bonds. Just because something is difficult or dangerous doesn't mean it isn't worth the struggle. That's why Hiccup says "those who attacked us are crazy, but those that stopped them? even more so." and "bit by bit, we will change this world". Giving up is the right choice sometimes but it doesn't fit thematically in a franchise with two movies, several shorts and tv shows about how badass and awesome the bond between viking and dragon is and how they will do anything to defend it. Especially when every villain prior to Grimmel was far more threatening than him. Like they literally defeated a mountain sized dragon with mind control using friendship. And who would have found them in New Berk anyways? It's only accessible by dragon, they could still be found but are far better hidden.@@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome
@@idvdump If you watched the TV series I have no idea how you think they weren't constantly fighting. I said that Grimmel was a symbol of how it will never end.
@@E3257.StudiosEverythingAwesome I did watch the TV series. They fought a lot yes but they also rejoiced in the fact that their war with the dragons was finally over and they were able to spread that relationship to other vikings. Why does it matter that it will never end? They're hot-headed tough vikings. They never gave a crap about fighting before. And like I said, they would continue fighting WITH or WITHOUT dragons. The end of HTTYD2 was literally an acceptance of the fact that they will have to fight but are willing to do so because they love their bond and are willing to fight to be together, always. That's the reality of their relationship and they accepted they were fine with that. And Grimmel isn't a symbol of anything, he's significantly weaker than every enemy faced prior, and he lost, just like everyone that came before them. They could have lived quite happily in New Berk with the threat eliminated but they arbitrarily decided out of the blue that somehow an old greying dude was worse than a mountain sized dragon with mind control. It's thematic whiplash and doesn't make sense after two movies and a tv series where they proudly state how they are willing to fight.
Once again. Vikings. It's an occupational hazard.
Great Video! This always confused me , another thing i got confused with is since toothless became alpha of the hidden world in httyd 3 who was there before him?
I guess none, thats why the dragons left in the first place?
To be honest, I was asking myself the same question back in 2019 and I thought that all the dragons from the tv series were already in the hidden world but then thinking about it made me wonder if the dragons that we saw in the warlords camp are still trapped or were free. In my headcanon the warlords put the dragons on their ships and were freed when the dragon riders raided the boats, but it made sense when the nine realms season 2 came out and confirmed that all dragons were in the hidden world with the appearance of the Razorwhip and the Skrill.
And to top it all off Some islands like New berk and the School have hidden worlds on the island so if the islands from the tv series have hidden worlds in them, they should go into those hidden. World just in case they can't fly to the main entrance since it could be too far.
Also I like the Alpha call headcanon at the end of the third movie, because I think I also remember theorizing that toothless may have done the same roar the berserker bewilderbeast did in the series finale, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.
A little fun fact is you can see at least 3-4 Skrills in The Hidden World when the dragons bow down to Toothless
@@fluffyboiralsei7604 I actually found out back in 2020 and I was surprised to see them in the movie.
Idk why no one mentions the Berserk Bewilderbeast roar. It's literally the same thing.
I don't know what to think about this final, it was a really good explanation but it just makes me sad, they just left and will never return, Vikings and Dragons will never see each other again.
What about the wild dragones, like Dagur's Skrill, Screaming death family and Thornado family? (all the dragons that did not live in Berk)
Nah there's plenty of resources in the hidden world to accomodate dragons. There's food (plants, rocks, fish, other dragons) most definitely water, there's at least 2 sources of oxygen (plants and dragonsite), and pretty much an infinite amount of space. It's pretty much impossible to believe the dragons starved to death after considering all these factors.
Yeh I agree. The ones who die out would be on the surface
Plants underground ☠️☠️☠️
Dragonsite is from TNR, which is not canon (and the way they produce oxygen-hilarious nonsense)
@@trier_Ra609 not canon...says who?
Peacock Kids literally confirms otherwise 🤣. Just say TNR doesn't happen in ur headcanon cuz that is straight up lying.
@@thorodinson6625 "there IS a new Dragons show in the works however it is NOT HTTYD related"-Doug Sloan
@@trier_Ra609 exactly which article is this from?
I still doubt this cuz Audrie Greywind, a youtuber who regularly reviews the show, also confirmed its canonical status, hence why she talks about it so much.
Sad enough to make a duck cry
2:48 What about the Wingmaidens and Defenders of the Wing? Their whole society is set around dragons (specifically 1 specie) so if dragon hunters killed them then?..
Yes
FINALLY BRO, AN EXPLANATION
Pllllzzz do not boulder class vid I really wanna see boulder class
Because I still can’t except the ending of the third movie, )there’s nothing about it that bothers me Im just sad I guess, that they all left) I made my own like canon thing where the dragons never left, the hidden world is still there and the berkians know about it, so basically the same universe, I guess, world? Idk, as rise of Berk and SoD, and also the world never progresses past Viking technology, that’s my own httyd thing, also I will never consider nine realms to be canon except for that one dragon that just sits around and barfs lava, I don’t know the name of it so I just call it the pug dragon
It's called the Magma Breather, from the stoker class.
Noice video
L movie
W take.
@@trier_Ra609 W reply
3rd is better than 2nd
@@A_foranonymous Jokes on you, I hate both
@@coffeecaim2527 then why are you here such an L take
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