Thank you for this video, Jameson! Great timing, as I just last week placed an order for papyrus. The size I typically ordered was not available, so I had to order the massively wide roll and plan to cut in half for storage purposes. Received an email the other day that it is on backorder. Yay!! I will be canceling that order now... Since the quality is no longer there, I will save the expense and go with something else for the time being. Hopefully, they will revert back to the old recipe! Thank you for testing for us! Love your videos!
Thank you for doing all the testing. I too, had noticed a difference with the Papyros when I finally was able to buy a new roll. It was more fibrous and looked as though I could not use it for a second firing as I had done with the old product. I also noticed a different smell when doing a firing (not that I hang out in the garage while the kiln is running; but I had to check the setting!) I will continue to use it since it does what it's made to do; but not for multiple firings. Thank you again for all the testing videos you share.
Thank you, Jamaison! Great, thorough testing! I had not heard anything (yet) about the Papyrus so, I'm glad to know this info for when I start using the new roll we got!
Hi thanks for the good info. I have also found that thin fire disintegrates after one use into dust! I have not tried this brand but after your video, not sure I want to! I will be going to the glass and bead expo so I will stop by your booth and theirs!
@@JamaisonSchuler I told my friend about your video and he said we were actually using papyros paper not thin fire for our projects. (We're new to fusing) He got it a year ago at the Expo so he must have the new formula as it crumbles to dust. UGH.
Glad I stumbled upon this video. I am in my head right now and hadn’t heard they changed the formula. What a shame, I too ordered a roll. Mind you I hardly ever use shelf paper but it is good to know. I switched over to all kiln wash almost two years ago have never looked back. The finish is superior compared to paper in my opinion. Plus the cost.
Thank you sooo much for this useful video. I think we’ve all noticed the change in papyros paper I’m going to fire clear pieces first then opals after three firings. Thank you again
Thank you for taking the time to do these tests. It's super helpful. I just got a couple of sheets of the new one this week & was interested in how it'll fire. Really appreciate that you've already done the leg work for us.
Thanks for doing all those tests. Even though I use thinfire mostly, I was interested in the issue. It will be interesting to see when and if they get back to you. And man, I would not call that coral glass scrap, it's so expensive! 😂. As far as the blue devit is concerned, I heard that venting until 1000 on the way up helps (airing out the binder fumes?), so that seems to help me with the thinfire.
Really interesting test, thank you for taking the time. I use Bullseye glass, and buy in bulk a couple times a year, so it is economical for me to purchase Thinfire paper. Your previous comments about Papyrus paper has always intrigued me and I’ve wanted to try it, but it is not been cost-effective for me. I often get 3 to 4 firings using transparent glass on the Thinfire, but it does degrade into powder as you noted. If you are interested in testing the Thinfire to the new Papyrus, I would be happy to send you some, just let me know. Anyway, another great video! Thank you for taking the time and sharing.
Oh, thanks for that offer! I have a few sheets of thinfire, I just never use it! I have never been lucky getting multiple firings from it, so good for you!
Thank you for making this video. Very useful information. I use the new formula papyrous kiln paper, because its still the best choice for me, but it is definitely not at good as the old formula. Being a natural cynic, I suspect the change is more about profit than keeping a quality product, and doing what is right for their loyal customers. 😢
Nooooooo! I just bought a massive roll thinking I was relieved I can stop using the bullseye back up while my papyrus got restocked. This also explains why I couldn't get more papyrus for AWHILE... The whole purpose of sticking with papyrus (not like we have options lol) was the reusability even after firing at a high temp. Thank you for doing this video! Now I won't think I'm doing something wrong or it was my new kilns fault because I haven't used the old paper in there yet. I hope you get a response back from techniglass.
They finally responded yesterday and I updated the video notes. Although there really wasn’t much substance to it… no specific answers to my questions about lot numbers, future supply/manufacturing, etc…
@@JamaisonSchuler Ugh, I feel the response emphasizes the "ONE USE so please buy more" message was strongly announced in this letter. Perhaps they were losing money with many buying less of it with reusing it. 😂 They probably tried to make it less reusable in hopes of more sales.
You can tell you are an engineer/scientist by training and experience. I taught Research Methods to Graduate students at the University of Arkansas for 20+ years and this video could be used as a model for physical science research methods for my Agricultural Graduate students. Now I am just a Professor Emeritus and do glass as my avocation. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Aaaaaahhhhhhh! I spent $360.00 on two huge rolls as soon as it was available! I use Papyros kiln paper because of the reuse-ability. As you said, Thin Fire just turns to dust and is a big mess. I still have some of my old Papyros so I had not found out about these concerns until seeing your video. I feel ripped off. Papyros was a great product with such high quality. They should have stated that it was not the same. (Insert big sigh here). Thank you Jamaison for this video. Now I am forewarned and can adjust my expectations accordingly, before I start using the "new" stuff. Ya know, I wondered why the price didn't go up from the last time I purchased, given everything else has gone sky-high. Now I know.
I’ve always been OCD about my Papyros. I fire transparents first for a round or two, before reusing the paper for the last time with an opal load. I’ve love that I can get as many as 5 runs from a piece of Papyros. This is one of those cases where my hoarding tendencies have been beneficial. (As was also the case when Bullseye had to cease production of the greens that I had amassed, much to my fusing buddy’s amusement.) so I still have a fairly good stash of the old product. I had planned to invest in a roll when the material was restocked, but now I will just hold on and be even more judicious with my old stuff. I do hope the company listens to the customer concerns, and I’d love to hear their reply to you. We can all hope, and I strongly suggest making the lot numbers known if/when we go back to the original product.
I use both, but for different things, if it has to be super smooth then thin fire, for ease then papyrus. I have always kept a big on hand of both, so I had not noticed the shortage, I always grab a few of each when I go to the store.
Hi Jamaison, thanks for all your tutorials. Can you post what you used to clean the paper off the transparent glass with? Was it just a standard glass cleaner?
I use the Spartan glass cleaner concentrate recommended by Bullseye. They sell the concentrate, or you may be able to find it elsewhere. I get it from my local glass supplier.
Great video. I use thinfire and can get three firings with transparent most times. Have to be very careful about removing the glass. Occasionally I can get a second firing on opaque.
Thank you for testing this. I have the old and fused some Opal on it . The first firing was ok. The second set it has stuck and I am having problems removing it. Any suggestions?
I’m sorry, I’m pretty much all out of energy for this paper. I do think opals are hard, especially after first firing. My only suggestion is that I seem to have better results when the glass and shelf are FULLY cool to absolute room temp. But even then, a second firing with opal will be tough to save the paper.
I had some precut kiln paper catchfire that was not this brand but idon’t know which it was, came in a kit. Bought better since cuz the other day under a ceramic piece I had planned to rakufire. Didn’t need to after that, is the upside, ruined my mini microwave kiln is the down side. Did not expect that. Luckily I know I can repair the kiln and I still have my professional sized one for continued firings. But yeah good idea to run tests!
Thank you for testing. I've never used Papyrus, but I have some that is pre-pandemic I plan on trying. BTW, what kind of cutting mat do I see on your table?
I had a big roll of the old Papyros that I finally used up. Someone gave me a stack of Thinfire so I've been using that but am not thrilled. The Thinfire seems to grab the glass and make cactus spikes on things. I use 96. Interesting how Techniglass states that it guarantees "one firing" multiple times. So sad to lose Papyros. Maybe i can come across some from someone selling out. 🤞
I usually use Thinfire, but chose to try Papyros last year due to so many positive reviews...worse experience ever! Lots of roughness on the bottom of my glass...not getting the reusability everyone was claiming, etc. After a few weeks I went right back to Thinfire. Glad to know that it wasn't just me, and that something must have changed with Papyros.
I have always used thinfire paper. Papyrus was used in the classroom I started with. I have continued to use thinfire (very carefully) because I get multiple fires with every sheet. I use it for full fuse, contour, and slumping. I've gotten used to knowing when to replace it. With slumping, I can get as many as 4 or 5 firings, but I do occasionally cheat by putting a new sheet over the old. To clean up the powder left I have 2 plastic putty knife scrapers and a small bucket. And occasionally a shop vac.
Not my experience at all, really rough backs (I guess more fragmenting of the paper?) and clings to the glass, perfect outlines of where the paper used to be and none left on the kiln shelf. Don't know what I'll do, can't use the bowls like this, they're too rough! And yes to @irenevangsness, more smell when burning off.
Yes, it’s funny, the deeper I get into the roll and the more experience I have with it, it seems the worse it performed. At this point I’ve lowered my expectations so much that I don’t care anymore.
The new papyrus turns to dust after one firing. I have used papyrus for years. You can not get a second firing on the new papyrus because it turns to dust.
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Thank you for this video, Jameson! Great timing, as I just last week placed an order for papyrus. The size I typically ordered was not available, so I had to order the massively wide roll and plan to cut in half for storage purposes. Received an email the other day that it is on backorder. Yay!! I will be canceling that order now... Since the quality is no longer there, I will save the expense and go with something else for the time being. Hopefully, they will revert back to the old recipe!
Thank you for testing for us! Love your videos!
Thank you for doing all the testing. I too, had noticed a difference with the Papyros when I finally was able to buy a new roll. It was more fibrous and looked as though I could not use it for a second firing as I had done with the old product. I also noticed a different smell when doing a firing (not that I hang out in the garage while the kiln is running; but I had to check the setting!) I will continue to use it since it does what it's made to do; but not for multiple firings. Thank you again for all the testing videos you share.
Please post an update when/if Techniglass finally reach out to you.
Thank you, Jamaison! Great, thorough testing! I had not heard anything (yet) about the Papyrus so, I'm glad to know this info for when I start using the new roll we got!
Hi thanks for the good info. I have also found that thin fire disintegrates after one use into dust! I have not tried this brand but after your video, not sure I want to! I will be going to the glass and bead expo so I will stop by your booth and theirs!
Yes, some people say they get multiple firings out of the fire but I never have… it turns to powder every time!
@@JamaisonSchuler I told my friend about your video and he said we were actually using papyros paper not thin fire for our projects. (We're new to fusing) He got it a year ago at the Expo so he must have the new formula as it crumbles to dust. UGH.
@@TheEnglishOrganizer Yup, that sounds about right then! :(
Glad I stumbled upon this video. I am in my head right now and hadn’t heard they changed the formula. What a shame, I too ordered a roll. Mind you I hardly ever use shelf paper but it is good to know. I switched over to all kiln wash almost two years ago have never looked back. The finish is superior compared to paper in my opinion. Plus the cost.
Thank you sooo much for this useful video. I think we’ve all noticed the change in papyros paper I’m going to fire clear pieces first then opals after three firings. Thank you again
Thank you for all the testing Jamaison!
Thank you for taking the time to do these tests. It's super helpful. I just got a couple of sheets of the new one this week & was interested in how it'll fire. Really appreciate that you've already done the leg work for us.
Thanks for sharing, and thanks for taking the time to test the Papyros.
Thanks for doing all those tests. Even though I use thinfire mostly, I was interested in the issue. It will be interesting to see when and if they get back to you. And man, I would not call that coral glass scrap, it's so expensive! 😂. As far as the blue devit is concerned, I heard that venting until 1000 on the way up helps (airing out the binder fumes?), so that seems to help me with the thinfire.
Very informative--thank you. Appreciate the firing time and real estate you gave to the tests!
Really interesting test, thank you for taking the time. I use Bullseye glass, and buy in bulk a couple times a year, so it is economical for me to purchase Thinfire paper. Your previous comments about Papyrus paper has always intrigued me and I’ve wanted to try it, but it is not been cost-effective for me. I often get 3 to 4 firings using transparent glass on the Thinfire, but it does degrade into powder as you noted. If you are interested in testing the Thinfire to the new Papyrus, I would be happy to send you some, just let me know. Anyway, another great video! Thank you for taking the time and sharing.
Oh, thanks for that offer! I have a few sheets of thinfire, I just never use it! I have never been lucky getting multiple firings from it, so good for you!
Thanks for the info...been hearing of paper issues also.
Thank you for making this video. Very useful information. I use the new formula papyrous kiln paper, because its still the best choice for me, but it is definitely not at good as the old formula. Being a natural cynic, I suspect the change is more about profit than keeping a quality product, and doing what is right for their loyal customers. 😢
Looks like my booth is adjacent to theirs at the Glass Expo in Vegas this April 2025… plan to give them my opinion in person. 😠
Nooooooo! I just bought a massive roll thinking I was relieved I can stop using the bullseye back up while my papyrus got restocked. This also explains why I couldn't get more papyrus for AWHILE... The whole purpose of sticking with papyrus (not like we have options lol) was the reusability even after firing at a high temp. Thank you for doing this video! Now I won't think I'm doing something wrong or it was my new kilns fault because I haven't used the old paper in there yet. I hope you get a response back from techniglass.
They finally responded yesterday and I updated the video notes. Although there really wasn’t much substance to it… no specific answers to my questions about lot numbers, future supply/manufacturing, etc…
@@JamaisonSchuler Ugh, I feel the response emphasizes the "ONE USE so please buy more" message was strongly announced in this letter. Perhaps they were losing money with many buying less of it with reusing it. 😂 They probably tried to make it less reusable in hopes of more sales.
I guess I read it more as “we never guaranteed more than one firing, so it’s not our fault you had higher expectations.”
@@JamaisonSchuler Ouch... I don't know which interpretation hurts more. lol Thank you again for the research!
You can tell you are an engineer/scientist by training and experience. I taught Research Methods to Graduate students at the University of Arkansas for 20+ years and this video could be used as a model for physical science research methods for my Agricultural Graduate students. Now I am just a Professor Emeritus and do glass as my avocation. Thank you for sharing this with us.
I’m not at all! I’m a communications major who is just curious I guess! 😂
Aaaaaahhhhhhh! I spent $360.00 on two huge rolls as soon as it was available! I use Papyros kiln paper because of the reuse-ability. As you said, Thin Fire just turns to dust and is a big mess. I still have some of my old Papyros so I had not found out about these concerns until seeing your video. I feel ripped off. Papyros was a great product with such high quality. They should have stated that it was not the same. (Insert big sigh here). Thank you Jamaison for this video. Now I am forewarned and can adjust my expectations accordingly, before I start using the "new" stuff. Ya know, I wondered why the price didn't go up from the last time I purchased, given everything else has gone sky-high. Now I know.
Sorry to be the one to share the bad news! Good news is that it isn’t totally a waste…
I’ve always been OCD about my Papyros. I fire transparents first for a round or two, before reusing the paper for the last time with an opal load. I’ve love that I can get as many as 5 runs from a piece of Papyros.
This is one of those cases where my hoarding tendencies have been beneficial. (As was also the case when Bullseye had to cease production of the greens that I had amassed, much to my fusing buddy’s amusement.) so I still have a fairly good stash of the old product. I had planned to invest in a roll when the material was restocked, but now I will just hold on and be even more judicious with my old stuff. I do hope the company listens to the customer concerns, and I’d love to hear their reply to you.
We can all hope, and I strongly suggest making the lot numbers known if/when we go back to the original product.
I use both, but for different things, if it has to be super smooth then thin fire, for ease then papyrus.
I have always kept a big on hand of both, so I had not noticed the shortage, I always grab a few of each when I go to the store.
Hi Jamaison, thanks for all your tutorials. Can you post what you used to clean the paper off the transparent glass with? Was it just a standard glass cleaner?
I use the Spartan glass cleaner concentrate recommended by Bullseye. They sell the concentrate, or you may be able to find it elsewhere. I get it from my local glass supplier.
Great video. I use thinfire and can get three firings with transparent most times. Have to be very careful about removing the glass. Occasionally I can get a second firing on opaque.
I guess I just don’t have that much practice as I’ve never been able to get more than one with thinfire, and I thought I was being careful!
Thank you…very informative
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for testing this. I have the old and fused some Opal on it . The first firing was ok. The second set it has stuck and I am having problems removing it. Any suggestions?
I’m sorry, I’m pretty much all out of energy for this paper. I do think opals are hard, especially after first firing. My only suggestion is that I seem to have better results when the glass and shelf are FULLY cool to absolute room temp. But even then, a second firing with opal will be tough to save the paper.
I had some precut kiln paper catchfire that was not this brand but idon’t know which it was, came in a kit. Bought better since cuz the other day under a ceramic piece I had planned to rakufire. Didn’t need to after that, is the upside, ruined my mini microwave kiln is the down side. Did not expect that. Luckily I know I can repair the kiln and I still have my professional sized one for continued firings. But yeah good idea to run tests!
Holy moly! 😮
Thank you for testing. I've never used Papyrus, but I have some that is pre-pandemic I plan on trying. BTW, what kind of cutting mat do I see on your table?
That’s just a Fiskars brand I think? Fairly large self-healing Matt that I just bought at Walmart.
I used to get 2 or 3 firings from the old stuff. Now 1 firing only! It sucks!
It’s a real bummer
Question has new formula resulted in a smoother back like thin fire ?
Nope 😞
I had a big roll of the old Papyros that I finally used up. Someone gave me a stack of Thinfire so I've been using that but am not thrilled. The Thinfire seems to grab the glass and make cactus spikes on things. I use 96. Interesting how Techniglass states that it guarantees "one firing" multiple times. So sad to lose Papyros. Maybe i can come across some from someone selling out. 🤞
🤞🏼 I’ve heard they are working to bring back the original. Still think it’s raw to sell this new formula without disclosing this.
Did you ever get lot numbers on the rolls?
Nope
I usually use Thinfire, but chose to try Papyros last year due to so many positive reviews...worse experience ever! Lots of roughness on the bottom of my glass...not getting the reusability everyone was claiming, etc. After a few weeks I went right back to Thinfire. Glad to know that it wasn't just me, and that something must have changed with Papyros.
Sorry to hear that
I have a giant roll of ceramic fiber blanket, if you ever want any.
Thank you - I do too!
I have always used thinfire paper. Papyrus was used in the classroom I started with. I have continued to use thinfire (very carefully) because I get multiple fires with every sheet.
I use it for full fuse, contour, and slumping. I've gotten used to knowing when to replace it.
With slumping, I can get as many as 4 or 5 firings, but I do occasionally cheat by putting a new sheet over the old.
To clean up the powder left I have 2 plastic putty knife scrapers and a small bucket. And occasionally a shop vac.
I’ve never had that luck with multiple firings… so good for you!
I also use thin fire for multiple firings. Just need to be careful with how it is handled.
Not my experience at all, really rough backs (I guess more fragmenting of the paper?) and clings to the glass, perfect outlines of where the paper used to be and none left on the kiln shelf. Don't know what I'll do, can't use the bowls like this, they're too rough! And yes to @irenevangsness, more smell when burning off.
Yes, it’s funny, the deeper I get into the roll and the more experience I have with it, it seems the worse it performed. At this point I’ve lowered my expectations so much that I don’t care anymore.
Seems like everything you buy today is not the same as the items you were getting before. FOOD ,CLOTHES, just to name a few others. Very Sad😪
Indeed…
The new papyrus turns to dust after one firing. I have used papyrus for years. You can not get a second firing on the new papyrus because it turns to dust.
So frustrating