John Stossel and Rand Paul wants you to worry about a police state while your tax money flows to the millionaires. Blue Cross, Blue Shield profits $4.1 billion BCBS wants to thank you. A lot of your tax dollars goes to them.
Shitty politicians printing more and more money so everyone has equal money: " reality can be whatever I want!" Shitty politicians after economy crashes: *visible confusion*
Exactly. Poland still suffers from the socialist era. People indoctrinated for so long are still under this idea. We need at least 2 more generations to free ourselves, both citizens and political leaders. Example ... people believe this 500+ system (government paid support of 125$/month for every kid) is better that bigger tax free amount - and they vote for this socialist (called far-right) party.
Socialism in Eastern Europe had very bad starting conditions after WW II. The war had been much more deadly and devastating in the East than in the West, not to mention the US which didn't get a single bomb dropped onto her roof. The socialist countries in Eastern Europe had suffered 90% of all the life losses and damages and they never really recovered from that. The United States were a late arriving war participant who as such eventually did the rip off in territories, scientists, engineers, academics, patents, gold and markets, and who declared only capitalism and hard work created all the wealth. LMAO.
In an economic system in which free markets are the sole mechanism for the allocation of resources isn't necessarily capitalism A socialist economic system can have markets as long as the means of production are socially owned
@@TheMosinCrate what you have is called corporatism not capitalism because in capitalism there is total and free competition and a big Corporation has the same rights and influence as a roadside vendor which is obviously not the case here
The Mosin Crate it’s not it’s to help anyone who may need it who also pays into the system. Quora is a good website to get your questions answered. You pay out the nose for health care and there are others out there who can’t afford it. The average tax paid in like U.K. is much less than what Americans pay for healthcare.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill.
How about we kick these socialist and bring them to venezuela where they belong. America was founded to fight against tyrannical dictators (socialists) are huge examples.
mr Dead man - Socialism isn’t the answer to $900 ambulance rides. How are you trying to tie this into the conversation? I was shot in the back in 2000. The ambulance came, took me to the hospital, and billed me for it. The $1400 bill (not $900) and the subsequent $100,000 hospital bill didn’t prevent them from taking care of me. It just left me with a bill that I worked and paid for in reasonable monthly payments for a long time. The current system worked for me. If we were socialists indirectly YOU (and others in society) would have been forced to pay for my hospital bill. I would have benefited from this but it’s just not right to make my problems the responsibility of others to take care of. If you think it’s right for others to take care of your problems/responsibility without being fairly compensated for it, then I’m curious what kind of world you really want to live in?
David Bailey : haha I know a parody of that famous quote. "Draftees of the world arise!" "You have nothing to lose but your cookies!" Haha "Hawkeye" Pierce from M.A.S.H.
Do you remember this? Almost exactly sixty years ago since Russia’s Khrushchev delivered his message to the UN; prediction for America. TV coverage of him banging his shoe on the podium. At that time, the word communism’ was feared throughout our nation. Do you remember September 29, 1959? Now here is some food for thought if it does not make us choke! THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE: "Your children's children will live under communism, You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism outright; but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken your economy, until you will fall like overripe fruit into our hands." "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Remember, socialism leads to Communism. So, how do you create a Socialistic State? There are 8 levels of control; read the following recipe. 1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people 2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them. 3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government. 6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people. 8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor Sounds just like today's Democrat agenda!!!!
hokeypokeyalso1 I’m sorry, but what you just said is not accurate at all. Today’s Democrat’s agenda is to make America more like Scandinavian countries, not socialist. Bernie Sanders and the other left-wing representatives are more like centrist politicians by Scandinavian standards (except for Warrens’s proposal to end private healthcare, nobody wants that in Scandinavia or the complete student loan forgiveness by Bernie. Finland has a 40% forgiveness rate if graduated on time) Free education leads to a more educated, cultured society (as we can see in Finland, Sweden, Norway, Germany etc.) and free health care makes sure people don’t have to go bankrupt while facing an unexpected life event. In a countries like that, social mobility is also the highest in the world which represents the actual American dream, which is not as plausible here in the US anymore. Democrats by their policies have been much more successful endorsing middle class unlike the unsuccessful recent Republican leaders, (and Ronald Reagan for example with later proved wrong trickle-down-economics) which have stagnated the growth of salaries and shrunk the middle class of the US. Also I’d like to point out that there were multiple problems with the claims in the video that Scandinavian people just work harder. The main reason for Scandinavian success here in the US is the quality free education back home and healthier life style which give a huge advantage for job markets here in the US due to the decline in public education here. Also, none of the Scandinavian countries are police states, and have less gun violence than the US (surprise surprise) due to the stricter gun laws. In addition, Scandinavian countries are the least religious in the world and are doing better without it. Since the government is well-organized and people trust their government, there’s no problem with the stronger government. I’d like to point out that I’m a non-partisan, I just like to stay in facts.
@@tumbee111 First, learn how to use paragraphs. You are trying to compare countries with populations 1/15 of the US and considerably more homogenous than the US? Look at the RACIAL/SEXUAL IDENTITY divide that the left is trying to create. Then explain to me how socialism works when you have competing, 'I am more marginalized than you' groups saying THEY DESERVE MORE!
@@tumbee111 You are a dope that believes that government do things better than the private sector. I live in Canada and our healthcare system sucks! I have lived here for 42 years and I can't find a family doctor in my city so I have to either go to emergency or a walk in clinic and usually have to wait for 3 to 6 hours just to talk to a doctor for ten minutes! If I need an MRI or CT scan I get put on a list and have to wait 4 to 9 months. Now imagine if you have a tumor growing inside you! Our health care is also far from free it is why we are one of the highest taxed places on the planet Free does not exist anywhere!
@Caped Crusader They can revise all they want. It doesn't change what happened and as long as there are those who advocate for the truth, it won't die.
@Caped Crusader I think most people don't buy into the P+P=R bull$hit, but the fact that it is bull$hit needs to be pointed out continuously. Most know racism when they see it (Trump did get elected despite all their accusations after all). You can't keep calling white people racist because of their skin color and expect people to just not see the obvious hypocrisy. Well...most people anyway. Showing the average person what a leftist truly believes _and does_ is perhaps the *best* argument you can make against leftists (e.g. Evergreen College).
@Caped Crusader Taking a liberty position such as ours is difficult. On the one hand, people should be free to decide on their own. On the other the left has near total control of news media, entertainment and education so how 'free' are these people? Yet, taking away their choices "for their own good" makes us no better than the authoritarian lefties (and it wasn't that long ago that the right was acting in this very way - so we know we have to be wary of our human nature getting the best of us). I don't envy anyone who actually has to make significant decisions about this.
I hate to break it to you but unfettered capitilism doesnt really work that well. Which is why there are no pure capitalist societies including the one in the United States
@@billythedog763 Pure capitalism is impossible because people are selfless. Just like how pure communism is impossible because people are selfish. Nobody is arguing for extreme communism or lazze faire capitalism. Werr just arguing for the normal free market capitalism that has been working for centuries.
@@teknik6418 no matter what, all "isms" succeed or fail because of people and integrity...a society is a reflection of the people that comprise it doesn't matter what "ism" you have if people don't act with integrity EVERY SYSTEM WILL FAIL. 🤬🛑🤬🐂💩
At work regarding arcane knowledge in my job, at home regarding hard theological questions, and here in politics it is good to learn from smart men who have already answered the question, understand why I believe what I believe and as a result I am able to give a defence of what I believe at any moment, at home, at the cafeteria, at a family party
Anybody that actually wants the job, should never be allowed to hold it. Same with cops, politicians, priests. All about power. Power corrupts. REALLY!
Case in point is the US which is controlled by wealthy people and their corporations sending our young people off to fight their wars of controlling other countries for their interests while calling it fighting for our freedom.
We're never free that's why we're libareterians.. were trying to maximize our freedom... knowing true freedom will never exist/be good... that's called anarchism...
@Natty Fatty Powerlifting the problem is people who should read this book wont because they made it up in their own minds that Socialism is the way to go it's right and there is no disputing it. That's the type of ignorance we deal with.
Thinking people aren’t really convinced by fascist propaganda. Only brain dead conservatives will read this because it just confirms their biases. If capitalists had better arguments, they would have used them already. That’s the book we are waiting for.
@@Supernautiloid well you claim to be an intellectual but you wont read of others who's views contradict your own? That doesn't make any sense because to adequately understand something you need to not only look at the work that supports your claim but those that contradicts and argues against. I have read Karl Marx and the Communist manifesto and have studied Mao and you know what they shoot for very unrealistic ideas communism there has never true communist state because communism means the eventual dissolution of government that carrying a society forward is the commons no communist state has ever done that they either evoled into authoritarian socialism or have adopted some capitalist style or straight capitalist government.
@@Supernautiloid you claim its facist propaganda but fascism is another socialists concept only it is founded a national unity and ideology the idea of the German people where the government is a socialist government where it is the primary supplier of services.
I mean... we tell men they can be women and women, men. Modern feminism fights for trans rights in sports... And we still murder babies. Nope. Not hard to believe at all.
@@Chillipep i cant see that there is a change in plan, that is so bad, because the vote in shoot your way out is deadly truth. see FFF and guys here, the words they use , remind me of II WW.
Thanks John. You are one of the few names in mainstream media that can be trusted. Your commitment to journalistic integrity is greatly appreciated. Cheers
@@stupidcommentmaker Ronald Reagan was quick to refer to crony capitalism. The first time I ever heard that term was when he ran against Brown senior for the California governor's office. Most corporate backing these days has been going to people who would force you to use their services. Insurance companies, medical suppliers, energy folk...all agendized to force your patronage. Maybe we have more common ground than we think. In any event, our economic ideology is working.
@Jake Shattuck So what? If I call myself GOD, it does not change reality. Hitler was, well, Trump on steroids. We have Capitalism and a new Hitler. So, it has little to do with what we call ourselves, it is about who we elect or allow to rule us.
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 Crony capitalism = Capitalism. There's no actual difference, the government has intervened in the free market since capitalism has begun because capitalism can't exist without government intervention. Cope harder, libertarians will never, ever have any power and their meme philosophy will always fail because capital doesn't give a shit about "natural rights", only profit.
So, Americans, under a true Capitalist System are doing great. No one starves, everyone has an equal chance. All is great. LOL. Fool for being so damned blind.
A video that only cites one primary source and asks loaded questions. Ah, a John Stossel classic move since the late 90's, the man hasn't actually accomplished real journalism since the 80's. He's still an ardent supporter of many disparaging campaigns such as the repeal of outlawing smoking in public areas and in doors, fracking, and of course climate change in general. But of course, keep believing only what you want to see. I'm commenting on this very video because I CHOSE to watch and search both sides.
@@melikesleepyhey sleepy … U proly a fan of sleepy joe Biden …. Not that I’m a trump supporter …. Not that I’d ever vote for trump . Every American just wishes that Joe Biden would remove himself from the Presidential race. Only trump supporters want him to run ( no …. stagger …. or try to stagger) for office. It’s got beyond a joke . The whole world is laughing at America.
And whos money is the government spending now.... You should ask yourself that. With Capitalism its endless boom bubble and bust .... the past must have told you something.
@@michaeljackson8002 .... The elected officials are controlled by big business and big business is controlled by greed. If you don't know this by now, with all the supporting evidence, then you are living under a rock somewhere !!!
The government however owns the means of production meaning that the people who creates these factories or these inventions would be handed to the gubbermint which these founding fathers sought to fought against. So called worker's party (or the union) is technically a authoritarian group which seems to control the corporate goods.
Socialism privatizes the losses of business owners who aren't truly allowed to run their businesses their own way. The state tells you who to hire and promote, and what to pay them, so In that sense it's even worse than communism. If you manage to turn a profit anyway, they seize it with taxation.
@@unconcernedbeast9190 The millionaire made his money, and if he blinked out of existence tomorrow, it would in no way affect the man struggling to pay his rent because the millionaire DOES NOT HAVE HIS MONEY.
Ever notice that if you go out to eat and drink with a group, the only people who will want the bill split equally will have ordered the most expensive stuff?
1:02 That's what shelves in Romania used to look under socialism during the 80s. Meat in shops was a rarity and basic fruits like bananas or oranges were only imported once or twice a year.
John Stossel and Rand Paul wants you to worry about a police state while your money flows to the millionaires. Blue Cross, Blue Shield profits $4.1 billion BCBS wants to thank you. A lot of your tax dollars goes to them.
@@annettemack4825 yes ....that's true...that's why less government is important. U make a bloated regulatory body, that's gonna happen. Remind me who wants to increase the size of government. Isn't China communist? Yet they exploit their workers so their communist commissars can live like fat cats... sound familar??? That because it's not capitalism
I love that we have a dissenting voice for the moderate right which can’t be stifled on this platform. John stossel brings credibility to our arguments and is someone I can share with my dad with out him losing his goddamn mind.
As the son of parents who fled the Soviet Union to avoid ending up in the Siberian gulag, I agree. Socialism does not work, and only leads to violence. Story about Scandinavian countries. Someone told me that almost everyone in a Scandinavian country belongs to a union. But that union is not affiliated with the company. It's affiliated with YOU. So, there could be could dozens of different unions in one company, and you are free to switch unions as you see fit. And Nordic countries have a very happy workforce. Shows tha free market unions are better than US unions.
@@jesusavalos4112 I am not a socialist. Far from it. Socialism can't be done right on a national level. If you and your friends wants to start a commune, go for it. Just leave me out of it.
Henry Hazlitt explained in his classic _Economics in One Lesson_ that unions only bring benefits to their members when most people are NOT in a union. As soon as most people are in unions making the big bucks, prices simply rise to reflect average wages.
Thats because some people have nothing to lose. They don't care if socialism is wrong, they feel they deserve the fruits of others labor and morals be damned.
@The Metalhead Not all my friend, why is it that Bernie has the most military supporters of any candidate? Because we are tired of the false Republican hawks that only seek to enrich themselves.
@@Kapoosh000“One person“ Yeah that soviet dictator really only has the vote for one person not as if he is a major historial figure who represents your smooth brained leftist views True socialism mindset „Yeah I‘m gonna ignore that historical figure who had the same sick mindset as myself using my sick mindset effectively as a weapon in order to oppress the truth being shown which I‘m too stupid to realize because I‘m a McDonald’s 24 hour pawn for a reason“
So, 'equality' is just a title for the re-distributive affirmative-action feminists? Which are coercing, bypassing and compelling the people, the politicians and big businesses altogether. Is this is the capitalism you are talking about?
Yep. Agreed. Mexicans come here and work hard, but conservatives don't like it for some reason. Can't get enough Americans to get their hands dirty anymore.
Most anyone that works their ass off to raise a family without a government handout like my wife and I have for the last 26 years I tip my hat to!! We aren't rich by any means but we have pride and dignity
Yep, lazy in that nobody takes the time to understand one another, so we stick to our little echo chambers of reassuring perspectives. Circle jerk time
All I need to learn about Socialism I can learn from my wife's Grandmother. She grew up in The Ukraine as a child and told me all about the Holodomor and even remembers the faces if the NKVD agents that shot her father.
One underrated book for capitalism is "The Seperation of Business and State" by Ryan Dawson, which also exposes cronyism and the failures of government.
You can the paperback on Amazon for $1,040.90. Must be in high demand. (ha). (Note: that was for a 2014 print. the 2018 was only $14.99. Collectors item perhaps?
On Amazon, the 2nd edition for $1040.70, (+ 3.99 s/h) has a 2014 published date. The other one, for $779.90 claims a publication date of 1 Jan 1633...sooo wth is going on here?!
John Stossel and Rand Paul wants you to worry about a police state while your tax money flows to millionaires, Blue Cross, Blue Shield profits $4.1 billion BCBS wants to thank you. A lot of your tax dollars goes to them.
The issue is that the history of socialism or Marxist ideology is not taught much at all in schools, if at all. Granted every country has some degree of social programs to act as shock absorbers but the better engines run on free and open markets.
Back when I was in college I had one of those professors that was totally for socialism and he tried to explain why it was better and he convinced a few people in the class but the whole time I’m sitting here just thinking North Korea, Russia and China
Okay, but read George Orwell to help you distinguish between Socialism and Capitalism. And havent you ever heard of Christian Socialism? Time to think!
I just got recommended this randomly by the RUclips Algorithm and what the fuck This video is literally "What? You think socialism is good? But didn't you listen to all that American propaganda we made about why socialism is bad? If you still think socialism is good, why don't you go live in a country plagued by US funded terrorist groups and destroyed by international sanctions? THAT will show you how bad socialism is!" 0:40 : Trying to twist ORWELL quotes into being anti-socialist _really_ shows how little you understand the situation.
@@kylethedalek You mean record low unemployment? Record high stock market? Great economy? The control of illegal immigration? 2 SCOTUS picks? 50 Court nominees? How about peace more or less with North Korea? There's so many, what "crap" do you refer to?
The Mosin Crate the crap like gun control, bumb stocks. The fact that most of the things he take credit for Its down to Obama for these things coming true. Like the economy.
All of these socialist critics always have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the American socialists are advocating for. For anyone who wants to know what we actually want, watch Dr. Richard Wolff videos.
USA have a great checks and balances system, federal vs state system, plus you Americans are generally more liberty-loving than world's population in average. So why would you be affraid if Sanders or even somebody who is a real communist is in power? Why are you affraid of Western Europe's type of public healthcare, if chance that public healthcare could lead to tyranny is very, very small, practicall non-existent? If I would choose any country in the world for socialists to take over, it's USA, because only absolute power corrupts, that's true for socialists and non-socialists, but there cannot be absolute power in USA. Person in power can't get away with any serious crime in USA, because of it's system.
@@goranmilic442 While I think we have a pretty good set up, I also think it could still be improved. For instance, lifelong terms in the highest court in the land are appointed by the president. I don't like that.
The problem with Unicorns and Rainbows is that the Unicorn never gives you a ride and you never reach the Rainbow no matter how fast you run towards it.
More like thanks for working so hard for all that and now Im going to take what is not mine to take because I live by an ideology that says its ok for me to forcibly take things from others.
He held Venezuela up as something the U.S. needed to aspire to. Now he denounces them. Wonder if he'll denounce the U.S. if he gets what he's asking for. ... what a dip
There are no socialist contries today. Everyone of them is privatizing services. This is becuase the spectacle is disposing of their socialism. State-socialism is only a program through which the spectacle proletarianizes countries where the instruments of production haven'y been developed enaugh.
“The Scandinavian counties are not socialist” ok fair enough. Then Let’s implement their social safety net, strong unions, and high progressive tax rate without labeling it socialism.
@@electrosquid8325 Yes, you don't need a minimum wage when you have strong unions. I don't know what you are trying to say. Obviously european economies are informed by socialist critiques of capitalism, that's where much of the welfare, funding of public transport, and just general government investment in the economy comes from. I don't know what you are trying to imply....that scandanavia is somehow more ruthlessly capitalist than the states? That would be silly.
@@xNWF Kinda. A big scandinavian energy provider Vattenfall is co-owned by the Swedish and German states. But most actual energy companies are privately owned, some of them buy their energy from Vattenfall though.
It's true. Venezuela is not socialist, the elites own everything, just like Cuba. China is not socialist, they are a one-party megacorporate state. The Soviet Union focused way too much in military spending and Stalin was too much of a megalomaniac, so it failed. The thing is, that dictators and such constantly use socialism as an excuse for taking power and suppressing the people. And of course, everyone else just mindlessly points at those nations and say "SEE?! SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK!!!" when in reality those countries are nothing more than a deceitful oligarchy. Socialism wants to put the people in control, not the government.
@@tomasgomez9925 Opponents of socialism often say socialism means well, but it ends in violence when things get out of their hands. Socialists in countries like USSR planned mass killings from beginning, nothing was out of ands for them. So modern democratic socialism, which has no plans for mass killings won't produce mass killings.
The best socialist is the one living in capitalism, ask them why don’t they move to Cuba, Venezuela or even China, they talk socialism but they love everything capitalism has to offer starting with the internet, a capitalist invention.
Because people are not talking about extreme socialism, but about a social democracy. And you do know, Cuba and Venezuela had influence from Castro? While China has been strictly Authoritarian since Mao
This is bullshit it's like me asking "Why don't you move to the slums of capitalist Brazil?" Plus saying something like "But they love everything capitalism has to offer" like yeah so? It's like a medieval peasant saying "Hey I don't like this whole feudalism thing" with the king's response being "OH! But what about the technologies you love that was invented under it?!" like what?! These are really shallow arguments and you need to rethink things...
@@bigchungus920 Ah yes, Venezuela, capitalists' punching bag, so tired of hearing it. It's not even a country anymore with how much it's brought up. Anyway Venezuela's crisis is due to capitalism and imperialism, not socialism.
“When I’m talking about socialism, I’m not looking at countries like Venezuela and Cuba. I’m talking about Denmark and Sweden.”-Bernie Sanders Ah, yes, those Europeans must love paying a 60% tax rate! They have it so great over there! Imagine working 40+ hours a week, and then giving away 60% of your hard earned money to the government on pay day!
It will be democratic until the economy starts tanking. Then they will just blame others and seize power so they can fight the "reactionaries" and capitalist.
@@tatoo49 explain how, since his own staff even said when Bernie lost to Biden, well at least we can stop using that stupid word, democratic, and don't use the country's that Bernie lied about, because they aren't socialist countries. Socialism has never worked and it never will, because socialism has so many loopholes in it that allows the government to strip you of everything, people don't risk their lives to flee socialist countries because they are so great.
Cannibalism is not unknown in North Korea either. I keep offering our history no students a one way ticket there, as they love it so much, but none will go.
This honestly, the socialists and the corporations have been working together and it’s driving me insane... the relationship between google and China for example....
Ken MacDonald Hitler wasn’t a socialist. He was a fascist. One is far left, the other is far right. He did the same thing Stalin did. He took over the socialist movement to make an authoritarian government. The only difference between them is that Hitler was a fascist who liked working with companies and would collude with them while Stalin ran everything through the state. Neither of them were Socialist. One an extremely authoritarian communist and the other an extremely authoritarian fascist. Just because he ran through the socialist party doesn’t make him a socialist. In fact, there has never been a socialist state. For there to be a socialist state, it cannot have a dictator and cannot be authoritarian.
I honestly can't believe this guy felt qualified enough to write a book about this and literally managed to show how little he knows about the subject in less then 30 seconds. This is the shit that keeps me up at night.
@@sscalercourtney5486 Vladmir Lenin "The goal of Socialism is Communism" China is a Socialist Nation, and they want to go full on Communism. You can't sustain Socialism, because you run out of other people's money. How is the Government going to fund universal healthcare, universal basic income, free college, means of production and distribution being centrally planned, prices being centrally planned, there is no Religion under Socialism, all ideologies besides Socialist ideologies are seen as heresy, money printing goes out of hands (Example: Venezuela), even a hardcore Socialist country like China had to adopt a Capitalist economy and let Entrepreneurs have a bit of Free Enterprise, of course the CCP controls a 35%+ stake in every Business Entity in China, but still, they needed the Free markets in order to bring millions of Chinese out of Poverty. And Nordic Countries are not Socialist, in fact, the free market index rates them as being more Capitalist and Free Enterprise than the United States, also, in order to fund the free healthcare and college, the Middle Class pays 40%+ taxes, while Businesses and Corporations get huge tax cuts in Nordic Countries Are you willing to give up 40%+ of your income in order to fund Socialist Programs such as Free College, Free Healthcare, basic incomes, etc. Because you will never successfully tax the rich, the rich control the Politicians, you think the Politicians give a f*ck about you over the Lobbyists who pay them millions of dollars? The Rich will get Politicians to pass loopholes in the tax code, and if they fail, they will just leave United States. And once the rich leave, they take their businesses (which create the jobs) elsewhere, meaning millions of Americans will become unemployed. France tried to put in a Wealth Tax and guess what happened, the Rich left and hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs. Socialism sounds good on paper, but it fails, because you will run out of other people's money, after which, the Government resorts to printing more and more money, which leads to massive inflation. Social Programs can only be funded by the Middle Class, if we all decide to pitch in 40%+ of our income to taxes. Which is again the reason why Healthcare is free in Canada, their citizens also pay higher taxes than us Americans. If you think you can implement these Social Programs by taxing the big Corporation and the Rich people, then forget about it, it's going to fail miserably. And I don't want to pay 40%+ taxes in order to fund these Social Programs of Free College, Free Healthcare, basic income, etc.
@@BangMaster96 I see you point. But I was taught in college that there are two forms of ownership. One is private, by an individual of a group of individual, or by society ownership, i.e. taxpayer funded. I was taught in college Socialism meant taxpayer owned. Thus our Interstate Highway's, our Social Security, our Military, our public schools are all socialist. The true and honest disagreement is how much socialism do we want? I agree Lenin wanted to start with socialism and go to communism. But why should everyone in the world think that means anything not owned by the public is bad? I reject Lenin's argument. China was pure Economic Communism, ( all means of production are owned by the state? from 1947 until 1977. In 1977. That's 30 years China was economically communism. With the death of Mao, China allowed it's first privately owned company in 1977. And they have increased privately owned means of production ever since which is longer than than they were pure Communist. I would call them crony capitalist with Communist Party members being the cronies. Politically they are a Dictatorship not Marx's idea of Communism. And I think all Dictatorships are bad. I just think calling anything not owned by private individuals as Communism is too simple. In the early 1800's then New York Governor DeWitt used taxpayer money to fund the building of the Erie Canal. Many of his citizens cried they didn't want their tax money used for that. But the Erie Canal brought in riches to New York taxpayers because it was easier and cheaper to use than the dirt roads for getting both immigrants and goods. Later, Lincoln used taxpayer money to fund the building of the first railroad to the west Coast. Which made it cheaper and easier to get settlers and good to the unsettled west. Was Lincoln's goal a united America coast to coast and prosperity or was he on the road to communism? Forgive me. I see these arguments of Socialism versus Capitalism as way too simple for the real world. I don't want everything socially owned. And for me the honest and true political argument shouldn't be over labels like Socialism or Communism. I wanted my son to have advantages I didn't have competing in business with the kids of rich men. I was at a disadvantage there and wanted to change society, mostly through tax laws and spending to give my son a better opportunity to compete with other men's son's solely on the merits of his hard work, not the deep pockets of his rich son competitors. I gave my son advantages over what I had. But at the same time was I not giving my son advantages over even poorer men's son's? The argument over how far to go with taxes and government spending is an honest one. I just don't see it in the simple Socialist versus Capitalist labels. Be safe and good health to you.
@@sscalercourtney5486 I agree with you on the point that Capitalism, cronyism seeps in. And the only reason that happens is because Government officials, aka Politicians love to have power and influence. Our founding fathers created the 3 branches of Government for this very reason, they didn't want a single branch to have full power. But, sadly, we have diverted far away from the original vision of the Constitution. Most members of Congress are cronies, and this goes for both Democrat and Republican members. This cronyism is what allows the Rich People and Corporations to get advantages, tax breaks, send their kids to better schools and colleges even though their kids have no merits for that, kill small businesses and competition through lowering prices or straight out buying them. I definitely do not want this current form of Crony Capitalism we have in the US, but the solution for that is not more Government. We want limited Government, we want Politicians to stop getting in bed with Corporations and Rich Elites. We want Politicians to outlaw Lobbying, and make sure there is no Monopoly, Duopoly, or Oligopoly. Socialism vs Capitalism arguments can get too emotional for people on both sides, because both sides have compelling arguments. But know this, I am not calling the Social Government programs such as the Interstate Highway, Military, Police, Social Security, etc. as Communist. Free Market Capitalism doesn't say that Government can't provide these facilities, in fact, it clearly states that Government's role is to ensure the protection of the citizens through a Military, and protecting citizens from theft, breach of contracts, or any form of aggression with a Police, and by the way, the Interstate Highway system was built specifically for the US Army, so they can move into cities and across state lines easily. Social Security I believe is a failed program, I think majority of the population would be happy if they didn't have to pay 6.2% of their income to Social Security, the funds are dry, the payments are a joke, and our kids will most likely not even get to see a penny from that program by the time they retire. More people would be happy to keep 6.2% of their income and save it themselves. I just don't want Government to be involved in any Social Program, the only duty of Government should be to protect its citizens from foreign threats, domestic threats, and big Corporate Monopolies, Duopolies, or Oligopolies. Do you really think that Politicians will be able to better take care of your kids? Look at any program that Government tries to handle, and it almost always fails. For example, US Education system is a complete mess with outdated text materials, US Healthcare system is also one of the most expensive in the world thanks to the US Government, Social Security. I would much rather have Free Market competition in the Education and Healthcare system, allow Schools to compete for kids, and you'll see the quality of education improve drastically, competition drives down prices in a free market.
@@BangMaster96 Reality is most of us want government to do and protect what we want and not what others want. I think 306 million Americans can agree on that. Social Security is perhaps the one government handout that forces spendthrifts to save something of their own money toward retirement. And most people don't realize they get a 100% return on their money each year. It doesn't compound, but each year you get a 100% return on your investment in Social Security. Unless of course you are an employer. Still even if you are self-employed there are some advantages to Social Security. During down economic times it provides stimulus to the economy. And if you are in business you can sell to people on Social Security but you can't sell to those who spent every dime they made having a good time and who are still around contributing nothing to the economy because they are broke. I minored in Econ and made straight A''s in American history in college. There are people who know more about both subjects than I do, I admit. But I learned that between 1880 and 1930, when America had very little of our current economic theories, we experienced a Depression on average every six years. On Average, every six years you could count on half of your net worth or more disappearing. People who lived in that Generation brought us the Federal Reserve, the Income Tax,, Social Security and the FDIC. They did not like the Austrian school of economics or the Capitalism of that day. A Banker, J.P. Morgan, used his power to try to prevent Depressions by forcing smaller banks to loan each other enough money to get over short term bad economic events. President Theodore Roosevelt hated J.P. ( the first human to have electric lights in his house that weren't an experiment) for his power over the economy. Roosevelt wanted the government to have the power to force Banks to make loans among themselves and to set interest rates. A Republican Senator and some banker friends, not wanting the government to have all that power over the money they controlled came up with a compromise known as the Federal Reserve. Since FDIC and the adoption of half of Keynes theory of economics and Social Security, we have not had a Depression, (defined as an economic drop of GNP as 25% or more in over 90 years. Social Security doesn't play the only role in this, but it does play a good role beyond how it helps the individual. Today's Americans, understandable, do not appreciate the things our Government does to provide a economy that doesn't take half your net worth on average every six years. The old saying, you don't miss your water till the well goes dry. I'm old enough to remember Ron Reagan saying in the early 1960's that Social Security was going broke in less than three decades. My 60 year old Uncle moaned he'd never see a penny of what he'd put into Social Security probably around 1962 or 1963 after listening to Reagan. Oddly enough, it was Ron Reagan himself as President who appointed Alan Greenspan to come up with a plan to that saved Social Security for nearly 50 years. It's only a matter of will. I've read of millionaires who support Social Security, not because of the money they will get, but what it does in providing a secure society without a ton of broke elderly people voting themselves welfare form any politician who promised them that in their old age. Social Security fixes that problem. Have a good evening. Oh and my 60 year old Uncle sure he wouldn't get back a dime on Social Security drew it until he died at 92. Take care.
Yep!! I think the old saying is 3 times the charm. Maybe Venezuela will get it right this time. I think if they purge 99% of the population they will succeed where Stalin failed. (Sarcasm, just incase someone doesn't get the joke) Best wishes
It used to be taught, but people stopped paying attention & our public education & colleges became infected with this crap. The other thing that would be useful is economics. Best wishes
@@KennethSee Just as there exists liberal NPCs, there exists conservative NPCs (Historically conservatism is center left) Hitler is the only Non Socialist on there.
@John Stadelmann Nazi Germany was not socialist because they still had a capitalist economic system and the privatised land was not owned state but instead a few powerful people.
Maybe not exactly the same thing, in that Juche differs from Marxism-Leninism, which differs from Stalinism - but ultimately, the outcome is the exact same. Famine and death. Every single time. It's all right there in the history books, but people are just too stupid to see the obvious.
@@paulludwigewaldvonkleist4039 You low IQ socialists are broken records aren't you? Always the "oh THAT isn't REAL socialism, that is ", no we need to try REAL socialism. lmao...how many shots at it do you want? How many more have to die for your idiotic and illogical ideology? Jesus, give your head a shake. lmao
@Liberty AboveAllElse the problem is as well is that a lot of "academics", journalists and politicians were profiled, examined and brought over to the Soviet union where the KGB propaganda experts team had presented them a show/fallacy of a beautiful and perfected utopian world that was a literal heaven built on earth, but all they saw was a theatre production, a performance. Those "leftists idiots" became "political prostitutes" as the KGB described them, fuelling future generations of western students with the false and imaginative society that is the Soviet heaven on earth.
It's not a communist joke until everyone gets it......
ruclips.net/video/kl0-n0zWVJk/видео.html
John Stossel and Rand Paul wants you to worry about a police state while your tax money flows to the millionaires. Blue Cross, Blue Shield profits $4.1 billion BCBS wants to thank you. A lot of your tax dollars goes to them.
@@annettemack4825 those same millionaires you vote for because they promise free stuff.
@@annettemack4825 Better them than the Oligarchs
I would say It is a communist joke until everyone gets it. Because when you get communism you arent laughing in the gulag, are you?
The case against socialism: reality
Shitty politicians printing more and more money so everyone has equal money: " reality can be whatever I want!"
Shitty politicians after economy crashes: *visible confusion*
Reality is that people try to become utopia as fast as possible and also they are being shooted by USA with their sanctions
@@SludgyRhino7883 Well, I don’t think they’re confused. They knew what they were doing and benefit from it.
“That wasn’t real socialism, they just used socialism for power”
Yeah, and who supported and allowed them to get all that power in the first place?
Hitler was elected first, although he didn't have the absolute majority.
@@makisxatzimixas2372 yep but he absolved the other parts of government In the name of his socialist party propaganda
Even if a leftist gave us "good socialism," the safeguards are removed for the eventual evil socialist to seize power.
@@makisxatzimixas2372 yeah
Nobody said that but its a fact that people have used it for power
Seeing the praise for socialism as a man who survived 30 years in socialist Poland, I feel like a former slave seeing praise for slavery.
Exactly. Poland still suffers from the socialist era. People indoctrinated for so long are still under this idea. We need at least 2 more generations to free ourselves, both citizens and political leaders. Example ... people believe this 500+ system (government paid support of 125$/month for every kid) is better that bigger tax free amount - and they vote for this socialist (called far-right) party.
I cant imagine how ironic it must be to see the same talking points used to bring in socialist regimes back then used now. Thank the education system
Imagine how Venezuelan migrants to the US feel when they here it...
That's exactly what it is but it's worse than that.
Much. Worse.
Socialism in Eastern Europe had very bad starting conditions after WW II. The war had been much more deadly and devastating in the East than in the West, not to mention the US which didn't get a single bomb dropped onto her roof. The socialist countries in Eastern Europe had suffered 90% of all the life losses and damages and they never really recovered from that. The United States were a late arriving war participant who as such eventually did the rip off in territories, scientists, engineers, academics, patents, gold and markets, and who declared only capitalism and hard work created all the wealth.
LMAO.
1:26
Didn't Bernie praise Venezuela before it failed?
Yes, he did.
In Bernie's eyes Venezuela hasn't failed it's right on track.
@@BenMcneil-hk8xv the living standards for the politicians are improving after all
He also praised the USSR before it failed!
Sure did.
Like denmark!! Denmark prime minister "no bernie we are a succesful free market economy"
@Bill Brown They don't pay anything close to that you idiot
Lukas Wolden we pay 33-55% income tax here in sweden and 15-25% on everything we buy.
@@keno77777
15%-25% is pretty hefty compared to sales taxes in most states of the US which average a little below 10%.
@@tomcat8662 thats what i thought... :(
In an economic system in which free markets are the sole mechanism for the allocation of resources isn't necessarily capitalism
A socialist economic system can have markets as long as the means of production are socially owned
The problem with Socialism, is you eventually run out of other people's money to spend. Margaret Thatcher
Lanse Lithgow that’s why you have capitalism as the main support for social services.
Then at least everyone could have healthcare.
@@kylethedalek Why is it my job to pay for your healthcare?
@@TheMosinCrate what you have is called corporatism not capitalism because in capitalism there is total and free competition and a big Corporation has the same rights and influence as a roadside vendor which is obviously not the case here
I have that quote as a bumper sticker on my car!
The Mosin Crate it’s not it’s to help anyone who may need it who also pays into the system.
Quora is a good website to get your questions answered.
You pay out the nose for health care and there are others out there who can’t afford it.
The average tax paid in like U.K. is much less than what Americans pay for healthcare.
So what Paul is saying is...America's obesity problem can be solved with socialism? Always look on the bright side xD
Ha ha.
Gosh that is certainly one way of putting it.
The socialism diet
Yup lol unfortunately as silly at it sounds that’s the truth.
Or we can just eat better like the Swedish
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill.
How about we kick these socialist and bring them to venezuela where they belong. America was founded to fight against tyrannical dictators (socialists) are huge examples.
It cost 900 usd to request an ambulance in America
Very wise words from an amazing icon.
mr Dead man - Socialism isn’t the answer to $900 ambulance rides. How are you trying to tie this into the conversation?
I was shot in the back in 2000. The ambulance came, took me to the hospital, and billed me for it. The $1400 bill (not $900) and the subsequent $100,000 hospital bill didn’t prevent them from taking care of me. It just left me with a bill that I worked and paid for in reasonable monthly payments for a long time.
The current system worked for me. If we were socialists indirectly YOU (and others in society) would have been forced to pay for my hospital bill. I would have benefited from this but it’s just not right to make my problems the responsibility of others to take care of.
If you think it’s right for others to take care of your problems/responsibility without being fairly compensated for it, then I’m curious what kind of world you really want to live in?
@@unconcernedbeast9190 Yet it costs $0.88 for a loaf of bread and $2.75 for a gallon of milk.
Which do you think gets utilized more often???
The sad thing is that during Rand Paul's speech in the Senate, most of the seats of the senators are empty.
Empty seats to go with empty minds and then add empty rhetoric. Then add in universities indoctrinating kids across the country. Yes, sad.
The fact that we have to even have this discussion is alarming.
Oh it's so grade that way..... Canada too. Which leaves ??? To flee to?
@Ken MacDonald I presume you think the same about colleges, that have a tendency to brainwash liberal ideas to students, right?
@Ken MacDonald Actually, home schooling and private schooling is on the rise and has been for years. Myself included.
@Ken MacDonald #NoChildLeftBehind Thanks a lot Bush.
John Alejandro What are u even saying? U put so many “digs” in there it’s not clear as to what you are trying to say.
“Workers of the world unite!”...are unemployed...
David Bailey : haha I know a parody of that famous quote. "Draftees of the world arise!" "You have nothing to lose but your cookies!" Haha "Hawkeye" Pierce from M.A.S.H.
1:28 "I'm not looking at Venezuela..."
Didn't Sanders praise Venezuela?
*DOUBLE RIM SHOT*
Yeah, just ten years ago.
Do you remember this?
Almost exactly sixty years ago since Russia’s Khrushchev delivered his message to the UN; prediction for America.
TV coverage of him banging his shoe on the podium. At that time, the word communism’ was feared throughout our nation. Do you remember September 29, 1959? Now here is some food for thought if it does not make us
choke! THIS WAS HIS ENTIRE QUOTE:
"Your children's children will live under communism, You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept communism
outright; but we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We will not have to fight you; We will so weaken your economy, until you will fall like overripe
fruit into our hands." "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Remember, socialism leads to Communism. So, how do you create a Socialistic State? There are 8 levels of control; read the following recipe.
1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty - Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government.
6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to and take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools because the people need to believe in ONLY the government knowing what is best for the people.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor
Sounds just like today's Democrat agenda!!!!
I think we already have one, two, three, five, six, seven, eight.
hokeypokeyalso1 I’m sorry, but what you just said is not accurate at all. Today’s Democrat’s agenda is to make America more like Scandinavian countries, not socialist. Bernie Sanders and the other left-wing representatives are more like centrist politicians by Scandinavian standards (except for Warrens’s proposal to end private healthcare, nobody wants that in Scandinavia or the complete student loan forgiveness by Bernie. Finland has a 40% forgiveness rate if graduated on time) Free education leads to a more educated, cultured society (as we can see in Finland, Sweden, Norway, Germany etc.) and free health care makes sure people don’t have to go bankrupt while facing an unexpected life event. In a countries like that, social mobility is also the highest in the world which represents the actual American dream, which is not as plausible here in the US anymore. Democrats by their policies have been much more successful endorsing middle class unlike the unsuccessful recent Republican leaders, (and Ronald Reagan for example with later proved wrong trickle-down-economics) which have stagnated the growth of salaries and shrunk the middle class of the US. Also I’d like to point out that there were multiple problems with the claims in the video that Scandinavian people just work harder. The main reason for Scandinavian success here in the US is the quality free education back home and healthier life style which give a huge advantage for job markets here in the US due to the decline in public education here. Also, none of the Scandinavian countries are police states, and have less gun violence than the US (surprise surprise) due to the stricter gun laws. In addition, Scandinavian countries are the least religious in the world and are doing better without it. Since the government is well-organized and people trust their government, there’s no problem with the stronger government.
I’d like to point out that I’m a non-partisan, I just like to stay in facts.
@@tumbee111 First, learn how to use paragraphs. You are trying to compare countries with populations 1/15 of the US and considerably more homogenous than the US? Look at the RACIAL/SEXUAL IDENTITY divide that the left is trying to create. Then explain to me how socialism works when you have competing, 'I am more marginalized than you' groups saying THEY DESERVE MORE!
Tuomas Norjanen Bernie supports open borders. None of the Nordic countries do that. Open borders, and a welfare state do not work.
@@tumbee111 You are a dope that believes that government do things better than the private sector. I live in Canada and our healthcare system sucks! I have lived here for 42 years and I can't find a family doctor in my city so I have to either go to emergency or a walk in clinic and usually have to wait for 3 to 6 hours just to talk to a doctor for ten minutes! If I need an MRI or CT scan I get put on a list and have to wait 4 to 9 months. Now imagine if you have a tumor growing inside you! Our health care is also far from free it is why we are one of the highest taxed places on the planet Free does not exist anywhere!
The Case Against Socialism:
*HISTORY*
@Caped Crusader They can revise all they want. It doesn't change what happened and as long as there are those who advocate for the truth, it won't die.
@Caped Crusader Then I guess it's a good thing that is not about convincing socialists, but the voting public who ultimately decide which way we go.
@Caped Crusader I think most people don't buy into the P+P=R bull$hit, but the fact that it is bull$hit needs to be pointed out continuously. Most know racism when they see it (Trump did get elected despite all their accusations after all). You can't keep calling white people racist because of their skin color and expect people to just not see the obvious hypocrisy. Well...most people anyway.
Showing the average person what a leftist truly believes _and does_ is perhaps the *best* argument you can make against leftists (e.g. Evergreen College).
Caped Crusader Xer lol
@Caped Crusader Taking a liberty position such as ours is difficult. On the one hand, people should be free to decide on their own. On the other the left has near total control of news media, entertainment and education so how 'free' are these people? Yet, taking away their choices "for their own good" makes us no better than the authoritarian lefties (and it wasn't that long ago that the right was acting in this very way - so we know we have to be wary of our human nature getting the best of us). I don't envy anyone who actually has to make significant decisions about this.
Capitalism: it's what people do when they're left alone.
I hate to break it to you but unfettered capitilism doesnt really work that well. Which is why there are no pure capitalist societies including the one in the United States
It only started in the industrial revolution
@@billythedog763
Pure capitalism is impossible because people are selfless. Just like how pure communism is impossible because people are selfish. Nobody is arguing for extreme communism or lazze faire capitalism. Werr just arguing for the normal free market capitalism that has been working for centuries.
If you left people alone with no rules it would turn into anarchy not capitalism
@@teknik6418 no matter what, all "isms" succeed or fail because of people and integrity...a society is a reflection of the people that comprise it doesn't matter what "ism" you have if people don't act with integrity EVERY SYSTEM WILL FAIL.
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People that need to read this book will never consider reading it.
No shit. Lol
Yeah, @Dave B, but the person you give it to "anonymously" won't read it anyway.
Unfortunately you're probably correct.
At work regarding arcane knowledge in my job, at home regarding hard theological questions, and here in politics it is good to learn from smart men who have already answered the question, understand why I believe what I believe and as a result I am able to give a defence of what I believe at any moment, at home, at the cafeteria, at a family party
Why read it when you can just hear what The Young Turks have to say about it?
“Socialism would work if I were in charge!” -Power Seekers
Anybody that actually wants the job, should never be allowed to hold it. Same with cops, politicians, priests. All about power. Power corrupts. REALLY!
Majd Zahra so you’re saying competition (capitalism) works? Good to know😀
Socialism would work if I were in charge - the most bloodcurdlingly narcissistic thing it is possible to say.
You say it like a joke but this is a common rationale among supporters of socialism and communism.
The fact that this is even a possibility in America is frightening!!
It's just empty threats Trump 2020🗽🇺🇸
Never give up your guns
N sickening our forefathers are rolling over in their graves right about now
Yes, cower in a greater society
You would rather see the earth destroyed under capitalism than saved under socialism .... have I got it right???
How do you make a small fortune under socialism? Start with a large fortune.
Like TRUMP? Thank you, America.
@@tatoo49 .....Yes Like the previous President indeed. His money making skills consist of opening an account and asking his followers to donate.
@@Eric-ye5yz ah yes, starting a business is so easy, that random idiots consider it stealing!
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free!" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
Case in point is the US which is controlled by wealthy people and their corporations sending our young people off to fight their wars of controlling other countries for their interests while calling it fighting for our freedom.
Here's another good quote "To know who rules you simply look to who you are not allowed to criticize"
@@undeadpresident "How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think!"
@@undeadpresident "Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction."
We're never free that's why we're libareterians.. were trying to maximize our freedom... knowing true freedom will never exist/be good... that's called anarchism...
The people who should read this book, won’t.
@Natty Fatty Powerlifting the problem is people who should read this book wont because they made it up in their own minds that Socialism is the way to go it's right and there is no disputing it. That's the type of ignorance we deal with.
Thinking people aren’t really convinced by fascist propaganda. Only brain dead conservatives will read this because it just confirms their biases. If capitalists had better arguments, they would have used them already. That’s the book we are waiting for.
@@Supernautiloid well you claim to be an intellectual but you wont read of others who's views contradict your own? That doesn't make any sense because to adequately understand something you need to not only look at the work that supports your claim but those that contradicts and argues against. I have read Karl Marx and the Communist manifesto and have studied Mao and you know what they shoot for very unrealistic ideas communism there has never true communist state because communism means the eventual dissolution of government that carrying a society forward is the commons no communist state has ever done that they either evoled into authoritarian socialism or have adopted some capitalist style or straight capitalist government.
@@Supernautiloid you claim its facist propaganda but fascism is another socialists concept only it is founded a national unity and ideology the idea of the German people where the government is a socialist government where it is the primary supplier of services.
@80811B
Ok, so let’s get your comically bad arguments knocked down one by one, shall we?
I can't believe we even have to have this conversation in 2019!!!
I mean... we tell men they can be women and women, men. Modern feminism fights for trans rights in sports...
And we still murder babies.
Nope. Not hard to believe at all.
We talk about because America's children are being indoctrinated with it everyday!
@@Chillipep Yeah its a bit of a dead give away when givernments take advice from sociologists.
@@Chillipep i cant see that there is a change in plan, that is so bad, because the vote in shoot your way out is deadly truth. see FFF and guys here, the words they use , remind me of II WW.
Dinesh perfectly sums up the Socialist society:
"You work, I eat".
Thats what is happening now under capitalism.
@@Eric-ye5yz no
That's literally what happens under capitalism lmao
@@Mark-zk3gu no
@@maadhujovi9528 yes that is. The worker works, the capitalist takes the fruit of their labour and gives them a piece
Thanks John. You are one of the few names in mainstream media that can be trusted. Your commitment to journalistic integrity is greatly appreciated. Cheers
If socialism is so good, why then must Bernie package it as "democratic"? We don't need euphemisms for capitalism, conservatism or personal freedom.
Yes you do, you need euphemisms for "crony capitalism" because y'all can never admit it when your economic ideology falls apart lol
@@stupidcommentmaker Ronald Reagan was quick to refer to crony capitalism. The first time I ever heard that term was when he ran against Brown senior for the California governor's office. Most corporate backing these days has been going to people who would force you to use their services. Insurance companies, medical suppliers, energy folk...all agendized to force your patronage. Maybe we have more common ground than we think. In any event, our economic ideology is working.
Because the mixing of both political systems makes both much better than singly. It is usually called IMPROVEMENTS.
@Jake Shattuck So what? If I call myself GOD, it does not change reality. Hitler was, well, Trump on steroids. We have Capitalism and a new Hitler. So, it has little to do with what we call ourselves, it is about who we elect or allow to rule us.
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 Crony capitalism = Capitalism. There's no actual difference, the government has intervened in the free market since capitalism has begun because capitalism can't exist without government intervention. Cope harder, libertarians will never, ever have any power and their meme philosophy will always fail because capital doesn't give a shit about "natural rights", only profit.
As a Venezuelan, I will expropiate your video to show it to other fellow venezuelans. Thank you for explaining it with so much clarity.
No, porque él seguirá teniendo su vídeo intacto, tú solo lo copiarás. El comunismo/socialismo te lo quita todo y no te deja nada..
Amused. Many people want socialism... Until they’re too hungry to comprehend what “want” is.
So, Americans, under a true Capitalist System are doing great. No one starves, everyone has an equal chance. All is great. LOL. Fool for being so damned blind.
@@tatoo49 you dont understand! Free markets are magical and just fix everything! Socialism has killed 9999999999999 people!
@@Kapoosh000 i actually learned in my private american school that it were close to 9999999999999999 people dieded !!1
@@jankastrup3593 😱😱😱😱For real?? Evil commies! In america, we are democracy 😎😎😎😎
@@pramod_p5 capitalism is when no welfare, and socialism is when welfare. Why no, I've never taken an economics class! How could you tell?
And already 9 dislikes. Amazing how many people actually want the boot to their face.
Because they don't believe they will have the boot. Best wishes
Reminds me of the good ol days. 1939. Germany.
Very true
But Hitler wasn't a Socialist, he was a third positionist
@@Autconscipatheonive Thats a nice way of saying failed artist.
@@Autconscipatheonive National Socialist Germans Workers Party
fix ur haircolor bitch u look like an extra from "the fifth element"
When a video could be ten times longer, but brevity is chosen over beating a dead victim of socialism that idiotic young people repeatedly ignore.
A video that only cites one primary source and asks loaded questions. Ah, a John Stossel classic move since the late 90's, the man hasn't actually accomplished real journalism since the 80's. He's still an ardent supporter of many disparaging campaigns such as the repeal of outlawing smoking in public areas and in doors, fracking, and of course climate change in general. But of course, keep believing only what you want to see. I'm commenting on this very video because I CHOSE to watch and search both sides.
@@melikesleepySo is it wrong that every socialist country has devolved to a 3rd world africa-like shithole?
@@melikesleepyhey sleepy … U proly a fan of sleepy joe Biden …. Not that I’m a trump supporter …. Not that I’d ever vote for trump . Every American just wishes that Joe Biden would remove himself from the Presidential race. Only trump supporters want him to run ( no …. stagger …. or try to stagger) for office. It’s got beyond a joke . The whole world is laughing at America.
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money “ Margaret Thatcher
And whos money is the government spending now.... You should ask yourself that. With Capitalism its endless boom bubble and bust .... the past must have told you something.
@@Eric-ye5yz Thats an issue with the elected officials in our democracy.
@@michaeljackson8002 .... The elected officials are controlled by big business and big business is controlled by greed. If you don't know this by now, with all the supporting evidence, then you are living under a rock somewhere !!!
Socialism is control of the private sector. Communism is ownership of the private sector. What is control if not ownership?
The government however owns the means of production meaning that the people who creates these factories or these inventions would be handed to the gubbermint which these founding fathers sought to fought against. So called worker's party (or the union) is technically a authoritarian group which seems to control the corporate goods.
Socialism privatizes the losses of business owners who aren't truly allowed to run their businesses their own way. The state tells you who to hire and promote, and what to pay them, so In that sense it's even worse than communism. If you manage to turn a profit anyway, they seize it with taxation.
@@leifc.6045 What you say is right, but do you think this is fair? There are a millionaire and there are people who are struggling to pay the rent
@@unconcernedbeast9190 The millionaire made his money, and if he blinked out of existence tomorrow, it would in no way affect the man struggling to pay his rent because the millionaire DOES NOT HAVE HIS MONEY.
@@unconcernedbeast9190 Then work harder and quite whining!!!
Why not? If you never EARNED anything in your life, you have NO PROBLEM dividing it up equally.
Todd Cercone true
Ever notice that if you go out to eat and drink with a group, the only people who will want the bill split equally will have ordered the most expensive stuff?
100% true
@@Rocketninja200 yes 🤣
It's really easy to give someone nothing when everyone else is giving you something
Bernie says that ""Bread lines are a good thing!!!"
Then he can go stand in one himself.
This needs to be shown in every high school class across the country.
1:02
That's what shelves in Romania used to look under socialism during the 80s. Meat in shops was a rarity and basic fruits like bananas or oranges were only imported once or twice a year.
Ever laughed when socialist attempt to tell you socialism is new 🤔
John Stossel and Rand Paul wants you to worry about a police state while your money flows to the millionaires. Blue Cross, Blue Shield profits $4.1 billion BCBS wants to thank you. A lot of your tax dollars goes to them.
Or when Democratic Socialists squirm when you make it known Nazis were Nationalist Socialists .
@@annettemack4825 yes ....that's true...that's why less government is important. U make a bloated regulatory body, that's gonna happen.
Remind me who wants to increase the size of government.
Isn't China communist? Yet they exploit their workers so their communist commissars can live like fat cats... sound familar??? That because it's not capitalism
I love that we have a dissenting voice for the moderate right which can’t be stifled on this platform.
John stossel brings credibility to our arguments and is someone I can share with my dad with out him losing his goddamn mind.
Another great informative interview with Ran Paul thank you.😊
As the son of parents who fled the Soviet Union to avoid ending up in the Siberian gulag, I agree. Socialism does not work, and only leads to violence.
Story about Scandinavian countries. Someone told me that almost everyone in a Scandinavian country belongs to a union. But that union is not affiliated with the company. It's affiliated with YOU. So, there could be could dozens of different unions in one company, and you are free to switch unions as you see fit. And Nordic countries have a very happy workforce. Shows tha free market unions are better than US unions.
Andy Pastuszak (Socialist) ....but, but, but... its never done right?!?!
@@jesusavalos4112 I am not a socialist. Far from it. Socialism can't be done right on a national level. If you and your friends wants to start a commune, go for it. Just leave me out of it.
Henry Hazlitt explained in his classic _Economics in One Lesson_ that unions only bring benefits to their members when most people are NOT in a union. As soon as most people are in unions making the big bucks, prices simply rise to reflect average wages.
Never forget: some people still disliked this video.
Thats because some people have nothing to lose. They don't care if socialism is wrong, they feel they deserve the fruits of others labor and morals be damned.
11 dislikes. 1.4k likes. Hardly negligible.
@@TheMosinCrate I'm all for it my friend for a myriad of reasons...
@The Metalhead Not all my friend, why is it that Bernie has the most military supporters of any candidate? Because we are tired of the false Republican hawks that only seek to enrich themselves.
Socialism: THIS time, we'll do it the right way.
Hit the nail on the head.
The first step in promoting true Communism, is Socialism - Joseph Stalin.
Yes. One persons interpretation of socialism dictates the entire leftist view of it.
Imaging not knowing there other communist idologies then stalinism.
@@Kapoosh000“One person“ Yeah that soviet dictator really only has the vote for one person not as if he is a major historial figure who represents your smooth brained leftist views
True socialism mindset „Yeah I‘m gonna ignore that historical figure who had the same sick mindset as myself using my sick mindset effectively as a weapon in order to oppress the truth being shown which I‘m too stupid to realize because I‘m a McDonald’s 24 hour pawn for a reason“
In Capitalism the rich become powerful.
In Socialism the powerful become rich.
At least you CAN get rich with capitalism
In capitalism we still have politicians to balance the power between people and big businesses
So, 'equality' is just a title for the re-distributive affirmative-action feminists? Which are coercing, bypassing and compelling the people, the politicians and big businesses altogether. Is this is the capitalism you are talking about?
id love an extended version. rand paul is such a smart man
al schirjaev And he’s from my state of Kentucky!
I hope he runs in 2024
Practical.. Simple Sciences..
It shames me to say it, but we are lazy in America. I actually like working hard and not just getting by.🤷♂️
Yep. Agreed. Mexicans come here and work hard, but conservatives don't like it for some reason. Can't get enough Americans to get their hands dirty anymore.
Most anyone that works their ass off to raise a family without a government handout like my wife and I have for the last 26 years I tip my hat to!! We aren't rich by any means but we have pride and dignity
Yep, lazy in that nobody takes the time to understand one another, so we stick to our little echo chambers of reassuring perspectives. Circle jerk time
All I need to learn about Socialism I can learn from my wife's Grandmother. She grew up in The Ukraine as a child and told me all about the Holodomor and even remembers the faces if the NKVD agents that shot her father.
Corruption is the big one. The bigger the government, the more room for corruption. And yes, there is still someone at the top and the bottom.
One underrated book for capitalism is "The Seperation of Business and State" by Ryan Dawson, which also exposes cronyism and the failures of government.
Haven't heard of that book before. Will have to look at getting that.
You can the paperback on Amazon for $1,040.90. Must be in high demand. (ha). (Note: that was for a 2014 print. the 2018 was only $14.99. Collectors item perhaps?
SayNoTo Democide agreed! It's the cronyism that has to be rooted out. Do this and capitalism flourishes.
On Amazon, the 2nd edition for $1040.70, (+ 3.99 s/h) has a 2014 published date. The other one, for $779.90 claims a publication date of
1 Jan 1633...sooo wth is going on here?!
@@suleskos.2743 Capitalism
Eating live while your people starve
Thats just another level of evil...
John Stossel and Rand Paul wants you to worry about a police state while your tax money flows to millionaires, Blue Cross, Blue Shield profits $4.1 billion BCBS wants to thank you. A lot of your tax dollars goes to them.
That statement alone describes America to a tee.
Yeah, somebody is eventually going to shoot that fat fuck
The issue is that the history of socialism or Marxist ideology is not taught much at all in schools, if at all. Granted every country has some degree of social programs to act as shock absorbers but the better engines run on free and open markets.
I'll highlight problem of socialism:
1) Socialism
Back when I was in college I had one of those professors that was totally for socialism and he tried to explain why it was better and he convinced a few people in the class but the whole time I’m sitting here just thinking North Korea, Russia and China
I think the old saying is those who can't work in the real world, teach. Best wishes
Okay, but read George Orwell to help you distinguish between Socialism and Capitalism. And havent you ever heard of Christian Socialism? Time to think!
@@robertfranklin8704 Líbia, Iraque, Afeganistão
@@felipe45043 You need to learn how to communicate better. What are you trying to say? Learn to spell names, too.
John Stossel you are da man. Thank you for many informative videos!
I just got recommended this randomly by the RUclips Algorithm and what the fuck
This video is literally "What? You think socialism is good? But didn't you listen to all that American propaganda we made about why socialism is bad? If you still think socialism is good, why don't you go live in a country plagued by US funded terrorist groups and destroyed by international sanctions? THAT will show you how bad socialism is!"
0:40 : Trying to twist ORWELL quotes into being anti-socialist _really_ shows how little you understand the situation.
America will never be a socialist country!
TRUMP 2020
NirvanaConcerts what about all the crap he’s doing?
@@kylethedalek You mean record low unemployment? Record high stock market? Great economy? The control of illegal immigration? 2 SCOTUS picks? 50 Court nominees? How about peace more or less with North Korea? There's so many, what "crap" do you refer to?
The Mosin Crate the crap like gun control, bumb stocks.
The fact that most of the things he take credit for Its down to Obama for these things coming true.
Like the economy.
Hes right. But not before we have to fight a civil war to beat it back again.
you mean youd rather have trump2020 version of socialism
great! denmark’s not socialist, so let’s do what they did 👍
Not TRUE Socialists. Democratic Capitalistic Socialists. Best of all choices.
All of these socialist critics always have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the American socialists are advocating for. For anyone who wants to know what we actually want, watch Dr. Richard Wolff videos.
USA have a great checks and balances system, federal vs state system, plus you Americans are generally more liberty-loving than world's population in average. So why would you be affraid if Sanders or even somebody who is a real communist is in power? Why are you affraid of Western Europe's type of public healthcare, if chance that public healthcare could lead to tyranny is very, very small, practicall non-existent? If I would choose any country in the world for socialists to take over, it's USA, because only absolute power corrupts, that's true for socialists and non-socialists, but there cannot be absolute power in USA. Person in power can't get away with any serious crime in USA, because of it's system.
@@goranmilic442 While I think we have a pretty good set up, I also think it could still be improved. For instance, lifelong terms in the highest court in the land are appointed by the president. I don't like that.
@@user-ko7lz3kr1d We have similar problem in Croatia.
forget it they are too brainwashed.
John Stossel Videos should be shown in the Schools. So that kids actually learn something about the Economy 👍
Rainbows and Unicorns, until the Unicorn stabs you in the chest and the rainbow burns off your face.
The problem with Unicorns and Rainbows is that the Unicorn never gives you a ride and you never reach the Rainbow no matter how fast you run towards it.
This is what happens when you permit govt to exceed its mandate. Get govt out of the education business permanently.
Get rid of government altogether. Any government with any ideologue is a problem for society.
Socialism is the political form of “I’ll have what she’s having.”
More like I'll take away what she's having.
More like thanks for working so hard for all that and now Im going to take what is not mine to take because I live by an ideology that says its ok for me to forcibly take things from others.
Thank you very very much. We sadly need this now more than ever, unfortunately.
Bernie Sanders wanting “Democratic Socialism”
That’s like telling your kids they can all vote for dinner but it’s just chicken.
The question is. Who is gonna get the chicken?
He held Venezuela up as something the U.S. needed to aspire to. Now he denounces them. Wonder if he'll denounce the U.S. if he gets what he's asking for. ... what a dip
@@aps-c1766 the answer, no one
Bernie "The 1%" Sanders.
My favorite is "Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."
imagine this message being desperately needed in 2019
The fact that we even need to have this conversation is sad
What comes after socialism?
"That wasn't real socialism!" Every time.
I don’t want to eat my pets
I hope I don't have to...
All I have is a gerbil.
Be careful, you may be accused of being racist, a hate monger and a nazi if you are unwilling to eat your pet.
You want socialism? then go live in a socialist country.
America is where people come to escape socialism.
Was
Remember Cubans are coming here on rafts not the other way around.
There are no socialist contries today. Everyone of them is privatizing services. This is becuase the spectacle is disposing of their socialism. State-socialism is only a program through which the spectacle proletarianizes countries where the instruments of production haven'y been developed enaugh.
“The Scandinavian counties are not socialist” ok fair enough. Then Let’s implement their social safety net, strong unions, and high progressive tax rate without labeling it socialism.
Our tax on business is lower than Americas first of all. Second of all we don't have a minimum wage.
@@electrosquid8325 Yes, you don't need a minimum wage when you have strong unions. I don't know what you are trying to say. Obviously european economies are informed by socialist critiques of capitalism, that's where much of the welfare, funding of public transport, and just general government investment in the economy comes from. I don't know what you are trying to imply....that scandanavia is somehow more ruthlessly capitalist than the states? That would be silly.
@@electrosquid8325 Is energy owned by the government in Scandinavian countries ?
@@makoy2689 We are more capitalist when it comes to economic freedom, but not size of government.
@@xNWF Kinda. A big scandinavian energy provider Vattenfall is co-owned by the Swedish and German states. But most actual energy companies are privately owned, some of them buy their energy from Vattenfall though.
SkyNet 2020, "This is the way"
I'm voting for the Giant Meteor 2020:
m.facebook.com/GiantMeteor2020/
"This time its different"
"That's not proper socialism"
James Helliwell Bernbots: “it’s not Socialism, its Democratic Socialism.” 😆 I think is more like DUMBOCRATIC Socialism...
It's true. Venezuela is not socialist, the elites own everything, just like Cuba. China is not socialist, they are a one-party megacorporate state. The Soviet Union focused way too much in military spending and Stalin was too much of a megalomaniac, so it failed.
The thing is, that dictators and such constantly use socialism as an excuse for taking power and suppressing the people. And of course, everyone else just mindlessly points at those nations and say "SEE?! SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK!!!" when in reality those countries are nothing more than a deceitful oligarchy. Socialism wants to put the people in control, not the government.
@@gebdemedici not to mention the tremendous effort to male sure socialism doesnt work by funding coups, testricting their trade, and smear campaigns
@@tomasgomez9925 Opponents of socialism often say socialism means well, but it ends in violence when things get out of their hands. Socialists in countries like USSR planned mass killings from beginning, nothing was out of ands for them. So modern democratic socialism, which has no plans for mass killings won't produce mass killings.
@@gebdemedici In USSR Russians oppressed Ukranians (Holodomor). So USSR is not a socialist state, if people are oppressed based on their nationality.
The best socialist is the one living in capitalism, ask them why don’t they move to Cuba, Venezuela or even China, they talk socialism but they love everything capitalism has to offer starting with the internet, a capitalist invention.
Bracsim 1 they want the “nordic” type of Socialism... but fail to realize they are not socialists lol
Because people are not talking about extreme socialism, but about a social democracy. And you do know, Cuba and Venezuela had influence from Castro? While China has been strictly Authoritarian since Mao
@@multigaming27 that's how it starts. Infact, bernie once praised Venezuela and then he saw how it progressively got worse and denies praising it.
This is bullshit it's like me asking "Why don't you move to the slums of capitalist Brazil?" Plus saying something like "But they love everything capitalism has to offer" like yeah so? It's like a medieval peasant saying "Hey I don't like this whole feudalism thing" with the king's response being "OH! But what about the technologies you love that was invented under it?!" like what?! These are really shallow arguments and you need to rethink things...
@@bigchungus920 Ah yes, Venezuela, capitalists' punching bag, so tired of hearing it. It's not even a country anymore with how much it's brought up. Anyway Venezuela's crisis is due to capitalism and imperialism, not socialism.
“When I’m talking about socialism, I’m not looking at countries like Venezuela and Cuba. I’m talking about Denmark and Sweden.”-Bernie Sanders
Ah, yes, those Europeans must love paying a 60% tax rate! They have it so great over there! Imagine working 40+ hours a week, and then giving away 60% of your hard earned money to the government on pay day!
I love how liberals always say, Bernie's socialism is different because it's, Democratic socialism, so that means it is better than ever before,
It will be democratic until the economy starts tanking. Then they will just blame others and seize power so they can fight the "reactionaries" and capitalist.
Or maybe, it isn't from Fidel like how Venezuela did it? Bonkers
Because it is.
@@tatoo49 explain how, since his own staff even said when Bernie lost to Biden, well at least we can stop using that stupid word, democratic, and don't use the country's that Bernie lied about, because they aren't socialist countries. Socialism has never worked and it never will, because socialism has so many loopholes in it that allows the government to strip you of everything, people don't risk their lives to flee socialist countries because they are so great.
Eating pets that's a normal Chinese diet
They were eating their children when Russia was starving
Cannibalism is not unknown in North Korea either.
I keep offering our history no students a one way ticket there, as they love it so much, but none will go.
Nat Geo is the cooking channel in China.
Leftists :
When you close all Asylums and the lunatics get together and form a group
* Righties
@@fructuous7242 Both
All the American people need is a FAIR government, and less government, where the government is not in every aspect of your life.
You can't even have Socialism without having Capitalism.
Will Rand Paul make the case against corporate socialism which we currently have in the US?
Great question haha
This honestly, the socialists and the corporations have been working together and it’s driving me insane... the relationship between google and China for example....
Attacking a straw man.
"A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both."
The fact that he said Hitler’s “socialism” already tells you he has no idea what socialism is
Ken MacDonald Hitler wasn’t a socialist. He was a fascist. One is far left, the other is far right. He did the same thing Stalin did. He took over the socialist movement to make an authoritarian government. The only difference between them is that Hitler was a fascist who liked working with companies and would collude with them while Stalin ran everything through the state. Neither of them were Socialist. One an extremely authoritarian communist and the other an extremely authoritarian fascist. Just because he ran through the socialist party doesn’t make him a socialist. In fact, there has never been a socialist state. For there to be a socialist state, it cannot have a dictator and cannot be authoritarian.
I honestly can't believe this guy felt qualified enough to write a book about this and literally managed to show how little he knows about the subject in less then 30 seconds. This is the shit that keeps me up at night.
Ken MacDonald fucking idiot
Jesus Christ finally someone with a brain in this comment section.
Geb de Médici thank you
Socialism definitely guarantees equality. Everyone is equally miserable.
When did Socialism world wide come to be defined as only Maoist Communism. I missed that meeting. Even Karl Marx didn't want pure equality.
@@sscalercourtney5486 Vladmir Lenin "The goal of Socialism is Communism"
China is a Socialist Nation, and they want to go full on Communism.
You can't sustain Socialism, because you run out of other people's money.
How is the Government going to fund universal healthcare, universal basic income, free college, means of production and distribution being centrally planned, prices being centrally planned, there is no Religion under Socialism, all ideologies besides Socialist ideologies are seen as heresy, money printing goes out of hands (Example: Venezuela), even a hardcore Socialist country like China had to adopt a Capitalist economy and let Entrepreneurs have a bit of Free Enterprise, of course the CCP controls a 35%+ stake in every Business Entity in China, but still, they needed the Free markets in order to bring millions of Chinese out of Poverty.
And Nordic Countries are not Socialist, in fact, the free market index rates them as being more Capitalist and Free Enterprise than the United States, also, in order to fund the free healthcare and college, the Middle Class pays 40%+ taxes, while Businesses and Corporations get huge tax cuts in Nordic Countries
Are you willing to give up 40%+ of your income in order to fund Socialist Programs such as Free College, Free Healthcare, basic incomes, etc. Because you will never successfully tax the rich, the rich control the Politicians, you think the Politicians give a f*ck about you over the Lobbyists who pay them millions of dollars?
The Rich will get Politicians to pass loopholes in the tax code, and if they fail, they will just leave United States.
And once the rich leave, they take their businesses (which create the jobs) elsewhere, meaning millions of Americans will become unemployed. France tried to put in a Wealth Tax and guess what happened, the Rich left and hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs.
Socialism sounds good on paper, but it fails, because you will run out of other people's money, after which, the Government resorts to printing more and more money, which leads to massive inflation.
Social Programs can only be funded by the Middle Class, if we all decide to pitch in 40%+ of our income to taxes.
Which is again the reason why Healthcare is free in Canada, their citizens also pay higher taxes than us Americans.
If you think you can implement these Social Programs by taxing the big Corporation and the Rich people, then forget about it, it's going to fail miserably.
And I don't want to pay 40%+ taxes in order to fund these Social Programs of Free College, Free Healthcare, basic income, etc.
@@BangMaster96 I see you point. But I was taught in college that there are two forms of ownership. One is private, by an individual of a group of individual, or by society ownership, i.e. taxpayer funded. I was taught in college Socialism meant taxpayer owned. Thus our Interstate Highway's, our Social Security, our Military, our public schools are all socialist.
The true and honest disagreement is how much socialism do we want? I agree Lenin wanted to start with socialism and go to communism. But why should everyone in the world think that means anything not owned by the public is bad? I reject Lenin's argument.
China was pure Economic Communism, ( all means of production are owned by the state? from 1947 until 1977. In 1977. That's 30 years China was economically communism. With the death of Mao, China allowed it's first privately owned company in 1977. And they have increased privately owned means of production ever since which is longer than than they were pure Communist. I would call them crony capitalist with Communist Party members being the cronies. Politically they are a Dictatorship not Marx's idea of Communism. And I think all Dictatorships are bad.
I just think calling anything not owned by private individuals as Communism is too simple. In the early 1800's then New York Governor DeWitt used taxpayer money to fund the building of the Erie Canal. Many of his citizens cried they didn't want their tax money used for that. But the Erie Canal brought in riches to New York taxpayers because it was easier and cheaper to use than the dirt roads for getting both immigrants and goods. Later, Lincoln used taxpayer money to fund the building of the first railroad to the west Coast. Which made it cheaper and easier to get settlers and good to the unsettled west. Was Lincoln's goal a united America coast to coast and prosperity or was he on the road to communism?
Forgive me. I see these arguments of Socialism versus Capitalism as way too simple for the real world. I don't want everything socially owned. And for me the honest and true political argument shouldn't be over labels like Socialism or Communism. I wanted my son to have advantages I didn't have competing in business with the kids of rich men. I was at a disadvantage there and wanted to change society, mostly through tax laws and spending to give my son a better opportunity to compete with other men's son's solely on the merits of his hard work, not the deep pockets of his rich son competitors.
I gave my son advantages over what I had. But at the same time was I not giving my son advantages over even poorer men's son's? The argument over how far to go with taxes and government spending is an honest one. I just don't see it in the simple Socialist versus Capitalist labels. Be safe and good health to you.
@@sscalercourtney5486 I agree with you on the point that Capitalism, cronyism seeps in. And the only reason that happens is because Government officials, aka Politicians love to have power and influence. Our founding fathers created the 3 branches of Government for this very reason, they didn't want a single branch to have full power. But, sadly, we have diverted far away from the original vision of the Constitution. Most members of Congress are cronies, and this goes for both Democrat and Republican members.
This cronyism is what allows the Rich People and Corporations to get advantages, tax breaks, send their kids to better schools and colleges even though their kids have no merits for that, kill small businesses and competition through lowering prices or straight out buying them.
I definitely do not want this current form of Crony Capitalism we have in the US, but the solution for that is not more Government. We want limited Government, we want Politicians to stop getting in bed with Corporations and Rich Elites. We want Politicians to outlaw Lobbying, and make sure there is no Monopoly, Duopoly, or Oligopoly.
Socialism vs Capitalism arguments can get too emotional for people on both sides, because both sides have compelling arguments.
But know this, I am not calling the Social Government programs such as the Interstate Highway, Military, Police, Social Security, etc. as Communist. Free Market Capitalism doesn't say that Government can't provide these facilities, in fact, it clearly states that Government's role is to ensure the protection of the citizens through a Military, and protecting citizens from theft, breach of contracts, or any form of aggression with a Police, and by the way, the Interstate Highway system was built specifically for the US Army, so they can move into cities and across state lines easily.
Social Security I believe is a failed program, I think majority of the population would be happy if they didn't have to pay 6.2% of their income to Social Security, the funds are dry, the payments are a joke, and our kids will most likely not even get to see a penny from that program by the time they retire. More people would be happy to keep 6.2% of their income and save it themselves.
I just don't want Government to be involved in any Social Program, the only duty of Government should be to protect its citizens from foreign threats, domestic threats, and big Corporate Monopolies, Duopolies, or Oligopolies.
Do you really think that Politicians will be able to better take care of your kids?
Look at any program that Government tries to handle, and it almost always fails.
For example, US Education system is a complete mess with outdated text materials, US Healthcare system is also one of the most expensive in the world thanks to the US Government, Social Security.
I would much rather have Free Market competition in the Education and Healthcare system, allow Schools to compete for kids, and you'll see the quality of education improve drastically, competition drives down prices in a free market.
@@BangMaster96 Reality is most of us want government to do and protect what we want and not what others want. I think 306 million Americans can agree on that. Social Security is perhaps the one government handout that forces spendthrifts to save something of their own money toward retirement. And most people don't realize they get a 100% return on their money each year. It doesn't compound, but each year you get a 100% return on your investment in Social Security. Unless of course you are an employer. Still even if you are self-employed there are some advantages to Social Security. During down economic times it provides stimulus to the economy. And if you are in business you can sell to people on Social Security but you can't sell to those who spent every dime they made having a good time and who are still around contributing nothing to the economy because they are broke.
I minored in Econ and made straight A''s in American history in college. There are people who know more about both subjects than I do, I admit. But I learned that between 1880 and 1930, when America had very little of our current economic theories, we experienced a Depression on average every six years. On Average, every six years you could count on half of your net worth or more disappearing. People who lived in that Generation brought us the Federal Reserve, the Income Tax,, Social Security and the FDIC. They did not like the Austrian school of economics or the Capitalism of that day. A Banker, J.P. Morgan, used his power to try to prevent Depressions by forcing smaller banks to loan each other enough money to get over short term bad economic events. President Theodore Roosevelt hated J.P. ( the first human to have electric lights in his house that weren't an experiment) for his power over the economy. Roosevelt wanted the government to have the power to force Banks to make loans among themselves and to set interest rates. A Republican Senator and some banker friends, not wanting the government to have all that power over the money they controlled came up with a compromise known as the Federal Reserve. Since FDIC and the adoption of half of Keynes theory of economics and Social Security, we have not had a Depression, (defined as an economic drop of GNP as 25% or more in over 90 years. Social Security doesn't play the only role in this, but it does play a good role beyond how it helps the individual. Today's Americans, understandable, do not appreciate the things our Government does to provide a economy that doesn't take half your net worth on average every six years. The old saying, you don't miss your water till the well goes dry. I'm old enough to remember Ron Reagan saying in the early 1960's that Social Security was going broke in less than three decades. My 60 year old Uncle moaned he'd never see a penny of what he'd put into Social Security probably around 1962 or 1963 after listening to Reagan. Oddly enough, it was Ron Reagan himself as President who appointed Alan Greenspan to come up with a plan to that saved Social Security for nearly 50 years. It's only a matter of will. I've read of millionaires who support Social Security, not because of the money they will get, but what it does in providing a secure society without a ton of broke elderly people voting themselves welfare form any politician who promised them that in their old age. Social Security fixes that problem. Have a good evening. Oh and my 60 year old Uncle sure he wouldn't get back a dime on Social Security drew it until he died at 92. Take care.
The case against socialism:
Socialism.
Rand Paul is the best Senator in America by far.
I'd bet less than 1% of the voters in the US have a clue as to the differences in Gov't hierarchy.
"public education" ensures that ignorance
Legend has it stalin was only a mass purge or three away from the utopia
Yep!! I think the old saying is 3 times the charm. Maybe Venezuela will get it right this time. I think if they purge 99% of the population they will succeed where Stalin failed. (Sarcasm, just incase someone doesn't get the joke) Best wishes
''Cmon Comrades!!....just one more round of mass starvation and slaughter!! and our dreams will be realized! ''
The case against Socialism: China, Venezuela, North Korea, USRR, Cuba
But NK isn't that bad than Venezuela tho idk
Jamestown should have been the first and last example we ever needed.
@@censorduck not like America tried to ruin the countries or anything
I’d rather live in a country with an obesity problem than one with a hunger problem.
"Socialism only works in two places: in heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it"
-Ronald Reagan
Should be required reading in all high schools at every grade level.
It used to be taught, but people stopped paying attention & our public education & colleges became infected with this crap. The other thing that would be useful is economics. Best wishes
Read the Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion
Also a book on the benefits of socialism
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Chavez disliked this
One of these is not like the others...
Hmmm. . . It isn't facial hair. . . Number murdered? Well, the dead are still dead. . .
Oh! I got it! Three of them spoke Indo-European languages!
@@Sin526 They just won't get it.
@@KennethSee Just as there exists liberal NPCs, there exists conservative NPCs (Historically conservatism is center left)
Hitler is the only Non Socialist on there.
@@Pandadude-eg9li agreed. On both counts.
Just got my copy of this book today. I'm liking it so far.
When you say "Hitler socialism" that disqualifies immediatly your arguments, because that one phrase shows your lack of knowledge about socialism
@John Stadelmann Nazi Germany was not socialist because they still had a capitalist economic system and the privatised land was not owned state but instead a few powerful people.
I think you don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy. Those are two really different things.
i don't think he knows anything
I mean he called hitler a socialist so can't be certain
Maybe not exactly the same thing, in that Juche differs from Marxism-Leninism, which differs from Stalinism - but ultimately, the outcome is the exact same. Famine and death. Every single time. It's all right there in the history books, but people are just too stupid to see the obvious.
@@larryroyovitz7829 juche is modern day absolute monarchy disguised as a socialist state lmao
@@paulludwigewaldvonkleist4039 You low IQ socialists are broken records aren't you? Always the "oh THAT isn't REAL socialism, that is ", no we need to try REAL socialism. lmao...how many shots at it do you want? How many more have to die for your idiotic and illogical ideology? Jesus, give your head a shake. lmao
Funny how they prefer something that they've never experienced
While enjoy every single day what Capitalism brings them and then complain about this system...
@Liberty AboveAllElse the problem is as well is that a lot of "academics", journalists and politicians were profiled, examined and brought over to the Soviet union where the KGB propaganda experts team had presented them a show/fallacy of a beautiful and perfected utopian world that was a literal heaven built on earth, but all they saw was a theatre production, a performance. Those "leftists idiots" became "political prostitutes" as the KGB described them, fuelling future generations of western students with the false and imaginative society that is the Soviet heaven on earth.
Uncanny how you fear something you have never experienced.
I really like Senator Paul's book! It actually had some important stats that you all should pay attention to.