Here are the links. You're allowed to go paper logs for 60 days! www.fmcsa.dot.gov/newsroom/fmcsa-removes-four-devices-list-registered-elds-1eld.fmcsa.dot.gov/List
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Paper logs are actually safer than e-logs.e-logs force you to drive tired because you will lose your time so it makes you keep driving even when you shouldn't be.and when I say makes you it's up to you but hopefully people know what I mean.also if you're close to home on paper you just go home but with elogs you have to stop and take a 10 just to go another hour to get home.e-logs are why you see so many drivers parking on off and on ramps and other places that they really shouldn't park.back to paper please
Why didn't they do this when they first shoved this down everybody's throat? Money money money money money! Put everyone back on paper that wants to go on paper. These friggen mega companies that want ELD'S let them run em!
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I hope I NEVER have to do OTR AGAIN. There’s no wiggle room using ELD’s, with paper logs if you don’t abuse it to the point where you are dangerous, it’s the only way to do the job with less stress, and for what trucking requires to get the job done
We had a lot less accidents with paper logs and CB radios, everyone drove more reasonable speeds and we were more aware of traffic and accidents ahead of us than now.
Paper to me was less stressful. This should be a choice for each driver whether Owner Operator or Company driver not a force..Government tries to put it a one size fits all over all of the truck drivers when trucking is a multi occupational service. OTR should be treated different than local delivery & Oilfield. I owned my own oil production after my father died and ended up doing hot shots in the oil field for 15 years in Texas. I loved my job wholeheartedly, and it was fun until the ELDs came about, then it sucked to where I don't even drive anymore because of it. They're squeezing the life out of the trucking industry to where product is just going to sit at the dock. Truck drivers are tired of this shit.
But they can't Force you lol y'all act like y'all work for the damn dispatcher. The same rules applied on paper as ELD, the paper allowed me to relax when it comes time to park and when I wanna rest I can rest without big brother watching me.
I got my CDL 2 years before ELD’s were mandated, and I used paper logs for those 2 years. Yes, I fudged the numbers like everyone else and I made $130k my first year and $155k my second year. Since ELD have been mandated, I barely break 6 figures now.
All logging regulations violate our bill of rights. We have the right to freedom of movement within our borders. When the rules say that you're out of hours to drive, you are being unlawfully detained. When you hit 70 hours for the week you're done, this violates your right to free enterprise. We need DOGE to deregulate these unconstitutional mandates.
Gotta get involved . SO many out there that just go with the flow and do nothing. Luckily , we have a tool called X now , and alot of legislature politicians use it and are fairly active. Speak up but be polite and your voice will be seen and heard .
I was soooo badly abused and couldn't rest B4 the ELD mandates. I think they're too sensitive, now. But, B4 the yard-move, when you could go 19mph B4 breaking a break, that was perfect for me.
If drivers logged legal on paper logs to start with ELD would not have been a problem. If you can't make a living working 70 hrs a week then maybe you should find a place where you can.
Naaa they would have mandated anyway just because the technology exist. The problem here is these government agencies getting too big like the EPA amd the IRS. They power hungry.
That is a dumb statement you are the captain of your ship it’s not the working hours it is the 14 hours and non flexibility caused by shippers and receivers that caused the problems
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@@johnburnett1974 paper logs are not that difficult if you pay attention to your time driving,on duty, sleeper and off duty. Your ELD is set up the same the only exception is with paper logs there is no location tracking, you do your own tracking 😉.
Been doing paper for 30 years and intend NOT going to ELD. Drivers earn more money on paper than that stupid computer telling you when to do something. Corruption in the system will eventually destroy the ELD system.
Paper logs allow more leniency when it comes time to park, and doesnt dictate when you stop and break or just wanna chill and then get back to it. Anyone who prefers eld over paper just wants daddy fed to govern them harder. Same rules technically apploed to paper that apply to ELD, i dont know why these guys always claim dispatchers are making them do dirt, i aint never worked for no scumbag desk jockey, and i know the laws that are there for my protection, and i know how to use them in my favor. Get familiar with the rules and learn that mess and you can save yourself headache and stress with the jackoffs on the other end of the phone, trust me.
This is the difference. One word . Cameras! It doesn't matter if you run paper logs now because if you cheat them you have cameras everywhere. People complaining of Elogs dont think how advantageous they are. You work minute to minute instead of 15 minutes blocks on paper logs. I been driving 30 years life is easy now. D.O.T. hate elogs cause it cut down on fines. You have to be an idiot to violate an Elog. Clue is you run 8-9 hours per day then plan a shutdown. It works out . 😊
Well my thoughts about telling a grown man when and where to go to bed should be against his rights... if you lay down and not tired and roll around the whole time til its time to go did ELD make things safer or more dangerpus to the public?
I love the eld. I just wish we had more exemptions and looser regulations. For example, add something that works like PC that lets me drive after hours without affecting my 70. Obviously with the proper rest afterwards
Another example of big business pay to play, and forming the industry to what they think best suits them and their untrained drivers. Go back to better training and stop the nonsense. If you can't read English you shouldn't be allowed to drive either.
@ you’re exactly right. Places out there that have eight day training courses. Ridiculous. They are making the whole trucking industry, a joke, and playing with other people’s lives out there. There is no driver shortage also. There’s only a good driver shortage.
Maybe its not even paperlogs or elds the problem. Its the rules its self. They think HOS is a one size fits all, but it really is not. DOT needs to revise and do some studies on the human driver, not only to drive but also for the driver to have time to be healthier. For example how is a driver gonna be healthy if they never have time for a walk or something, of course they have a 10 hour period but once we are done we just want to crash.
Lets get rid of logs all together and implement a 8hr sleep within 24 hr rule. That would allow drivers to drive freely and sleep on their own schedule while protecting them from being over worked by brokers/shippers.
Some of these EL d's do not leave a footprint on the drivetime. You can. Change them yourself and don't have to ask your company to do it. All these? Big companies that have the e. L. D's. Show where everything was changed. How many times you also did it? Even if your company does change things on your e l d logs. They can see who did it and they have to sign off on it. There are many ELD logs out there. You can make adjustments and it will not leave a footprint. Just like if you were doing paper logs.
When I did construction I would drive 2 hours to get to the job, work 10-14 hours in 105 degree weather and then drive 2 hours to get home. There are no regulations against that and I guarantee I was more likely to fall asleep at the wheel then. I could easily drive my semi well beyond what I am aloud to. I say get rid of HOS all together. I'm a grown man and know when I need a nap.
You don't run hard enough OTR if you prefer electronic, and that's fine, but I think ELD for me getting paid per load the paper works much better. Damn a computer that can cause me to lose money and get fined/violated bc I went over my time 2 minutes. I am anti big govt, they've ruined every aspect of trucking.
@noaht5191 I'm old school and these damn electronic leashes will never allow truck drivers to make money. When freight was paying better I ran hard and never a single book.
@18wheelzofsteel53 maybe your just not smart enough for paper! Any OVT will take paper over elds any day! Run beat the clock, hurry git get parked, send us your eld time, only thing that would benefit eld is if your gettin paid by the hour and i don't think that's happening!
Paper logs where better. If a driver wanted to stop and get a nap for 2 hours, on Paper logs it wasn't a problem. With those e logs, you couldn't do that.
Trucking was way better on paper logs. It was also way better when brokers couldn’t force you to download tracking apps because there were no such thing back then. Trucking would get better off we went back to paper and we wouldn’t have the parking issue
Good luck on being able to pay for a new truck and trailer driving under ELD. ELD will not allow you to run cheap miles because, as a solo driver, you are time limited. Unless you run as a team, paying for a $200k+ piece of equipment at today's cheap freight rates and high finance interest, it will be impossible. Remember that you still have to pay FULL COVERAGE INSURANCE plus your fuel bill. You will be a slave of that truck for the next 5-6 years. Plus, you'll have to kiss goodbye 💋 around $40k for your down payment.
@Dan.a.k.a.bradpitt : Whatever your ELD device allows you to drive, that will be your gross. Whether your truck is paid for or not, ELD will dictate how much revenue you make per day, solo or team. If you are a solo Owner-Operator you are shotdown after 14 hrs. That's the end of your revenue for that day. If you started at 5 am, you are done at 7 pm if you didn't take a continuous non moving 8 hr break in order to extend your day.
I only ever drove with paper logs. 98% of the time I was within the legal limits. But there was that 2% that I should have been put out of service because...well, you all know why. The thing about the paper logs is that I didn't really have to keep them 100% up to date all the time. I could stop for a five minute break to take care of business, be on my way, and not have to log the stop. Since I drove motor coach, and I often had a set itinerary, I could finish my log at the end of the day using the time we were supposed to stop with the time I remembered...and it would give me a bit of wiggle room.
I came in 2017 so I never had the chance to run paper. I can say that with the amount of idiots out on the road ELDs are needed. Some folks don’t know how to govern themselves
Heck you need to come to love's in Kentucky 😁 I always been on ELD logs never got trouble when they looked at my logs.try my best to keep them up to date .when i was driving
El registro de papel te daba margen para hacer tu vida normal en la carretera, tomar una ducha, comer descansar y planificar tu llegada a tiempo, ahora todo es un despropósito, la seguridad es un mito no he visto tantos accidentes de camiones como ahora, hasta choferes se matan a tiros en los truck stops, increíble
30 years long haul. 20 with US Xpress. The HOS w/o the 14 hour rule and the 30 minute break and keeping the 11 hour drive would be good. Though I like paper logs as they are easier for….time management 😂 I don’t see E-logs so much as the issue if we had the same time management software running it😂 I think the HOS rules even with paper logs would be bad. If I were to redo the HOS, I would eliminate the 34 hour restart, go to an 84 hour week instead of a 70. I would do the HOS as 12 on 12 off. A driver could split like 6 o&o, a 7&5 with a 5&7 even. Or 12 &12. They would in a 24 hour period have to have 12 or more off and cannot work total more than 12 in a day. This would put the driver closer to. 24 hour cycle and no recap issues. No 14 hour issues, no 8 hours then 30 minute interruption. 15 minute pretrip and drive 11:45 a day just circle the start hour, that starts a 24 hour clock/“window”in which driver can work and as long as they don’t work more than 12 within that 24 hour total, they are compliant .
Thank you, brother, I have had master ELD and we already switched to a new one about 3 to 4 weeks ago The reason why they shut it down is obvious it’s cheating
🚫🚫🚫Both are bad but electronic causes more accidents. Without them you can sleep as much as you want and if you feel tired you can stop and sleep without time restrictions.
I come from a time when there was no such thing as a gps, you used a map. In those days you only had to show a 8 hour shutdown every 24 hours. The beauty was you could split those 8 hours as long as you showed 2 or more hours in one of the splits and the balance in the next shutdown. This way if a shipper or receiver had you sitting for over 2 hours it didn't matter because it allowed you to be able to ride out and just have to shutdown for 6 and back at it again. Paper logs plus 8 hour shutdown was best
ELD'a were designed with other regulations to constrict a small business to a single digit profit margin. Mega carriers can make tens to hundreds of millions off of a decimal of a percent, but if you're a small business owner you're lucky to come away with a 50k profit margin if you have a 5-10 truck fleet per annum.
I never had any problems paper logging - eld's didn't allow for PC and would flag for violations if the truck moved while trying to use PC. I also hated how logging on just a couple seconds early could ruin a whole day. Don't know if it's like that still but those were some of my biggest problems when eld's first came out
The problem was FMCSA let all eld companies self certified on FM CSA’s website. All they had to do was answer yes to all the questions and they were certified. Now those who lied about it are getting canceled at the trucking company cost.
Trucking was less stressful before ELD logs . It was less stressful on the old 10 hour driving rule and 15 hour work day . Now you can't stop your 14 hour clock . Less wrecks and nobody was in a Nascar race out there
Your 14 hour clock stops if you go off duty for 2 continuous hours prior to going on your 30 minute break, in the first 8 hours of your shift. Why can't you "old timers" who think you know everything about trucking figure this shit out?!?!?! You don't have to add, subtract... there's absolutely nothing to think about, the God damn ELD resets the time automatically for you. It's not God damn rocket science. You idiots fuckin' crack me up about how y'all think this shit's stressful. I remember my trainer freaking out on a Sunday night in traffic jam on I-94 just north of Chicago, I jumped his ass and told him to shut the hell up. I'd been in worse situations in Iraq and Afghanistan, it was just a traffic jam due to a accident. You idiots used to drive for HOURS beyond the legal limit and most of you used amphetamines to stay awake while you did it. Everybody knows you carried 2 log books, which was stupid in the first place: why in the fuck would you carry a log book showing how many hours you REALLY drove? Do think a trooper wouldn't find it if he really wanted to? This job's only stressful if you're a dumbass, it's not hard. "Steering Wheel Holders" prove everyday, this is not a hard job.
@@casteel765 I doubt that. I was out there trucking before you was born . Soon I'm going to be drawing 3800 a month TEAMSTERS pension. I started September 1983 in a 1977 WhiteFreghtliner 13 speed a Shiney 290 cabover . I all see now days is a bunch of steering wheel holders overweight and parking in fuel pumps that don't care about each other . Lot of wrecks out there from people who can care less about there appearance, there attitude or there fellow driver . There wreckless . I've done lived and drove it .
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Been driving out here since 1989 and paper logs is way better then ELD we could use any paper logs and now they are changing what is acceptable for ELD this is ridiculous ELD sucks. We can all thank WERNER for ELD they were the pioneers of ELD
Nay, drivers partially to blame at time as well, cause of “comfort”. Instead of parking up at the nearest rest area. And logging off duty jumping back in their sleeper for the night…. They drive straight to their parking lot, cause hey… out of hours.. buts homes just 30 minutes up ahead. Then complain about driving all drowsy, no Hours cause the dispatcher didn’t dispatch right. But hey Had to get home for ma girl
They need to amend the ELD mandate to an option. All problems solved. It's our responsibility and LIABILITY. Not FMCSA OR ELD PROVIDERS. STOP THE NON-SENSE AND COMPLICATING SIMPLE TRANSPORTATION. ADDING MORE AND MORE COSTS AND GOVERNMENT EXPENSE.
probably discontinued due to the fact they can't be hooked up to the highway system ,where they can track all trucks this way they can adjust rated according to volume of trucks in certain areas .
I think the HOS is the bigger problem. My trucker friend was around when you could stop the clock when you needed to. Damn fmcsa pencil pushers decided it was safer for drivers to keep running even if they're tired.
Why can a man go underground in a coal mine and work 16 hours a day, or build a bridge or roadway at 16 hours legally a day with zero cap yet a trucker can work a little over half that per day to not get over 70 hours if he took a week off. The rules are just dumb, and the few good rules they had are no longer enforced which is why trucking has declined to the foreigners who dont value trucking.
I don't know why everybody cries about ELD. I was spending at least 30 minutes every day filling up paper logs instead of doing something better, not to mention keeping copies and mailing to the company every few days. Now is much easier with ELD. And yes you can do same things with ELD if you want to
We are required to have paper logs on the truck with us on the truck at all times but can also get punished for some requirements that they demand which is kind of ridiculous
Actual Business owners should be able to run thier business how they choose long as they are not driving tired or overly fatigue whoch is what the eld mandate was about, company drivers should have to follow company rules period.
Here are the links. You're allowed to go paper logs for 60 days!
www.fmcsa.dot.gov/newsroom/fmcsa-removes-four-devices-list-registered-elds-1eld.fmcsa.dot.gov/List
@@MuthaTrucker yeah 10-4, but my company they haven't say nothing yet, thanks anyways
25 yrs out here,paper logs was definitely better, you wasn't in a rush and not forced to drive any type of hrs during the day, get rid of these ELDs
Paperlogs were safer and had less accidents. Drivers weren't in a hurry all the time
A lot less tensions at truck stops and rest areas as well...
Hours of service, not the logs.
ELD is a big money grab
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I was better rested on paper logs because you could get a few hour nap and not worry about your 14 catching up
Yea!
Paper logs are actually safer than e-logs.e-logs force you to drive tired because you will lose your time so it makes you keep driving even when you shouldn't be.and when I say makes you it's up to you but hopefully people know what I mean.also if you're close to home on paper you just go home but with elogs you have to stop and take a 10 just to go another hour to get home.e-logs are why you see so many drivers parking on off and on ramps and other places that they really shouldn't park.back to paper please
It was 100% better you still had brotherhood out here
Better paper. Freedom is always better. Now we are tagged like criminals
I prefer my paper logs. Also, I drive a glider kit for that reason
40 Plus Year Trucker, Paper Logs Were Much Better
Way better with papers.
Way better with paper logs
Why didn't they do this when they first shoved this down everybody's throat? Money money money money money! Put everyone back on paper that wants to go on paper. These friggen mega companies that want ELD'S let them run em!
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I hope I NEVER have to do OTR AGAIN. There’s no wiggle room using ELD’s, with paper logs if you don’t abuse it to the point where you are dangerous, it’s the only way to do the job with less stress, and for what trucking requires to get the job done
We had a lot less accidents with paper logs and CB radios, everyone drove more reasonable speeds and we were more aware of traffic and accidents ahead of us than now.
As a former company driver and owner operator, trucking was better by far on paper logs than the eld's will ever be...
More gov scrutiny for a bunch of false safety claims.
Paper to me was less stressful. This should be a choice for each driver whether Owner Operator or Company driver not a force..Government tries to put it a one size fits all over all of the truck drivers when trucking is a multi occupational service. OTR should be treated different than local delivery & Oilfield. I owned my own oil production after my father died and ended up doing hot shots in the oil field for 15 years in Texas. I loved my job wholeheartedly, and it was fun until the ELDs came about, then it sucked to where I don't even drive anymore because of it. They're squeezing the life out of the trucking industry to where product is just going to sit at the dock. Truck drivers are tired of this shit.
Paper l9gs horrible dispatchers always trying to get you to do illegal stuff
But they can't Force you lol y'all act like y'all work for the damn dispatcher. The same rules applied on paper as ELD, the paper allowed me to relax when it comes time to park and when I wanna rest I can rest without big brother watching me.
Grow some nuts.
Alex,
Why do you want to ask company drivers about paper logs?
They weren't even here for paper logs
That's incredibly false.
I was and didn't have an automatic then either.
Worse with ELD
I got my CDL 2 years before ELD’s were mandated, and I used paper logs for those 2 years. Yes, I fudged the numbers like everyone else and I made $130k my first year and $155k my second year. Since ELD have been mandated, I barely break 6 figures now.
All logging regulations violate our bill of rights. We have the right to freedom of movement within our borders. When the rules say that you're out of hours to drive, you are being unlawfully detained. When you hit 70 hours for the week you're done, this violates your right to free enterprise. We need DOGE to deregulate these unconstitutional mandates.
Gotta get involved . SO many out there that just go with the flow and do nothing. Luckily , we have a tool called X now , and alot of legislature politicians use it and are fairly active. Speak up but be polite and your voice will be seen and heard .
Great point
I was soooo badly abused and couldn't rest B4 the ELD mandates. I think they're too sensitive, now. But, B4 the yard-move, when you could go 19mph B4 breaking a break, that was perfect for me.
Testicles...grow some.
If drivers logged legal on paper logs to start with ELD would not have been a problem. If you can't make a living working 70 hrs a week then maybe you should find a place where you can.
Naaa they would have mandated anyway just because the technology exist. The problem here is these government agencies getting too big like the EPA amd the IRS. They power hungry.
That is a dumb statement you are the captain of your ship it’s not the working hours it is the 14 hours and non flexibility caused by shippers and receivers that caused the problems
Ought be able make living on 40 hrs
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Those truck driving schools aren’t even teaching paperlogs anymore.
@@johnburnett1974 paper logs are not that difficult if you pay attention to your time driving,on duty, sleeper and off duty. Your ELD is set up the same the only exception is with paper logs there is no location tracking, you do your own tracking 😉.
Just make sure you don't color outside the lines and keep your logs as neat as possible and no corrections are allowed. Loose leafs fly in the wind.
Been doing paper for 30 years and intend NOT going to ELD. Drivers earn more money on paper than that stupid computer telling you when to do something. Corruption in the system will eventually destroy the ELD system.
By JJ Keller.
Not true , currently in school and they are making damn sure we learn that sht
ELD and inward facing cameras is why I don't drive anymore. I'm not dealing with it.
They watch us on camera , more than the do the illegals
Going paper logs also means not sharing with anyone like brokers who want to dictate.
Run the accident numbers. Guarantee it hasn’t improved anything safety wise.
Paper logs allow more leniency when it comes time to park, and doesnt dictate when you stop and break or just wanna chill and then get back to it. Anyone who prefers eld over paper just wants daddy fed to govern them harder. Same rules technically apploed to paper that apply to ELD, i dont know why these guys always claim dispatchers are making them do dirt, i aint never worked for no scumbag desk jockey, and i know the laws that are there for my protection, and i know how to use them in my favor. Get familiar with the rules and learn that mess and you can save yourself headache and stress with the jackoffs on the other end of the phone, trust me.
This is the difference. One word . Cameras! It doesn't matter if you run paper logs now because if you cheat them you have cameras everywhere. People complaining of Elogs dont think how advantageous they are. You work minute to minute instead of 15 minutes blocks on paper logs. I been driving 30 years life is easy now. D.O.T. hate elogs cause it cut down on fines. You have to be an idiot to violate an Elog. Clue is you run 8-9 hours per day then plan a shutdown. It works out . 😊
Well my thoughts about telling a grown man when and where to go to bed should be against his rights... if you lay down and not tired and roll around the whole time til its time to go did ELD make things safer or more dangerpus to the public?
I loved running paper logs, dang bro I’m gonna miss ya again…I’m rolling through NM at about 10-11pm
I love the eld. I just wish we had more exemptions and looser regulations.
For example, add something that works like PC that lets me drive after hours without affecting my 70. Obviously with the proper rest afterwards
Get the Garmin, no monthly fees
I like the the Ruuskies and Abu Dhabies who will "fix" your logs whenever you need hours lol. Run ELD like paper logs that way.
Should’ve never went to ELD in the first place.
Another example of big business pay to play, and forming the industry to what they think best suits them and their untrained drivers. Go back to better training and stop the nonsense. If you can't read English you shouldn't be allowed to drive either.
@ you’re exactly right. Places out there that have eight day training courses. Ridiculous. They are making the whole trucking industry, a joke, and playing with other people’s lives out there. There is no driver shortage also. There’s only a good driver shortage.
Way Better with paper logs.
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I run paper and always will. The hell with the ELD
I have run paper logs the last 4-5 years legally. I am semi retired and if I had to go back to ELD, I would be done with trucking.
Maybe its not even paperlogs or elds the problem. Its the rules its self. They think HOS is a one size fits all, but it really is not. DOT needs to revise and do some studies on the human driver, not only to drive but also for the driver to have time to be healthier. For example how is a driver gonna be healthy if they never have time for a walk or something, of course they have a 10 hour period but once we are done we just want to crash.
That's why I love my 97 W9. But I really don't mind the ELD when I'm running the WS. Just manage your time. 🤷♀️
Lets get rid of logs all together and implement a 8hr sleep within 24 hr rule. That would allow drivers to drive freely and sleep on their own schedule while protecting them from being over worked by brokers/shippers.
Some of these EL d's do not leave a footprint on the drivetime. You can.
Change them yourself and don't have to ask your company to do it. All these?
Big companies that have the e. L. D's. Show where everything was changed. How many times you also did it? Even if your company does change things on your e l d logs. They can see who did it and they have to sign off on it. There are many ELD logs out there. You can make adjustments and it will not leave a footprint. Just like if you were doing paper logs.
I love my paper log book paper log book is easy to use just follow the directions on how to use the log book in the log book
When I did construction I would drive 2 hours to get to the job, work 10-14 hours in 105 degree weather and then drive 2 hours to get home. There are no regulations against that and I guarantee I was more likely to fall asleep at the wheel then. I could easily drive my semi well beyond what I am aloud to. I say get rid of HOS all together. I'm a grown man and know when I need a nap.
Paper logs!
I ran paper before. Screw them damn paper logs. I punch the button on I punch the button off logs are complete.
You don't run hard enough OTR if you prefer electronic, and that's fine, but I think ELD for me getting paid per load the paper works much better. Damn a computer that can cause me to lose money and get fined/violated bc I went over my time 2 minutes. I am anti big govt, they've ruined every aspect of trucking.
@noaht5191 I'm old school and these damn electronic leashes will never allow truck drivers to make money. When freight was paying better I ran hard and never a single book.
@@FatKidBrodyextra paperwork and dont grab the wrong one if your in a hurry.lol
Your definitely a company driver
@18wheelzofsteel53 maybe your just not smart enough for paper! Any OVT will take paper over elds any day! Run beat the clock, hurry git get parked, send us your eld time, only thing that would benefit eld is if your gettin paid by the hour and i don't think that's happening!
I don't use ELD and yes trucking was better before ELD, cause nobody was driving near as dangerous and pushing it
Yea. It was safer to drive 24 hours straight than having elds
It was safer when you were tired you would sleep when you were awake and wanted to run you did was way safer back in the day on paper ,
Accidents are through the roof because of this nonsense...I need to purchase a Tow Truck..
Paper was better, but so so many people abused it (including me hahahaha)
I will be coming through on Saturday but I don't know where that place is
Here is the address- I-40 & Exit 102, Acoma Pueblo, NM 87034
Exit 102 on the 40
Paper logs where better. If a driver wanted to stop and get a nap for 2 hours, on Paper logs it wasn't a problem. With those e logs, you couldn't do that.
Trucking was way better on paper logs. It was also way better when brokers couldn’t force you to download tracking apps because there were no such thing back then. Trucking would get better off we went back to paper and we wouldn’t have the parking issue
You don't need log ins for the Dump truck industry
Good luck on being able to pay for a new truck and trailer driving under ELD.
ELD will not allow you to run cheap miles because, as a solo driver, you are time limited. Unless you run as a team, paying for a $200k+ piece of equipment at today's cheap freight rates and high finance interest, it will be impossible.
Remember that you still have to pay FULL COVERAGE INSURANCE plus your fuel bill.
You will be a slave of that truck for the next 5-6 years.
Plus, you'll have to kiss goodbye 💋 around $40k for your down payment.
okay so say for example you pay the truck outright . Cash. Where does that leave you then for gross ?
@Dan.a.k.a.bradpitt :
Whatever your ELD device allows you to drive, that will be your gross.
Whether your truck is paid for or not, ELD will dictate how much revenue you make per day, solo or team.
If you are a solo Owner-Operator you are shotdown after 14 hrs.
That's the end of your revenue for that day.
If you started at 5 am, you are done at 7 pm if you didn't take a continuous non moving 8 hr break in order to extend your day.
I only ever drove with paper logs. 98% of the time I was within the legal limits. But there was that 2% that I should have been put out of service because...well, you all know why. The thing about the paper logs is that I didn't really have to keep them 100% up to date all the time. I could stop for a five minute break to take care of business, be on my way, and not have to log the stop. Since I drove motor coach, and I often had a set itinerary, I could finish my log at the end of the day using the time we were supposed to stop with the time I remembered...and it would give me a bit of wiggle room.
I don't mind ELD.Saves time from filling out a log book and then being checked by DOT making sure your log book is legitimate
I came in 2017 so I never had the chance to run paper. I can say that with the amount of idiots out on the road ELDs are needed.
Some folks don’t know how to govern themselves
It was much better with paper logs !!!
If you know the routes and traffic loads; doesn't matter really.
I would run split logs often.
Rarely had issues.
Motive needs to be on that list too
Paper or electronic logs, doesn't make any difference to me and rules are the same.
Heck you need to come to love's in Kentucky 😁 I always been on ELD logs never got trouble when they looked at my logs.try my best to keep them up to date .when i was driving
It was better paper log but it was great when we had no paper logs back in my early day off my trucking
El registro de papel te daba margen para hacer tu vida normal en la carretera, tomar una ducha, comer descansar y planificar tu llegada a tiempo, ahora todo es un despropósito, la seguridad es un mito no he visto tantos accidentes de camiones como ahora, hasta choferes se matan a tiros en los truck stops, increíble
30 years long haul. 20 with US Xpress. The HOS w/o the 14 hour rule and the 30 minute break and keeping the 11 hour drive would be good. Though I like paper logs as they are easier for….time management 😂 I don’t see E-logs so much as the issue if we had the same time management software running it😂 I think the HOS rules even with paper logs would be bad.
If I were to redo the HOS, I would eliminate the 34 hour restart, go to an 84 hour week instead of a 70.
I would do the HOS as 12 on 12 off. A driver could split like 6 o&o, a 7&5 with a 5&7 even. Or 12 &12. They would in a 24 hour period have to have 12 or more off and cannot work total more than 12 in a day.
This would put the driver closer to. 24 hour cycle and no recap issues. No 14 hour issues, no 8 hours then 30 minute interruption.
15 minute pretrip and drive 11:45 a day just circle the start hour, that starts a 24 hour clock/“window”in which driver can work and as long as they don’t work more than 12 within that 24 hour total, they are compliant .
ELD what is that!?!
Thank you, brother,
I have had master ELD and we already switched to a new one about 3 to 4 weeks ago
The reason why they shut it down is obvious it’s cheating
🚫🚫🚫Both are bad but electronic causes more accidents. Without them you can sleep as much as you want and if you feel tired you can stop and sleep without time restrictions.
I come from a time when there was no such thing as a gps, you used a map. In those days you only had to show a 8 hour shutdown every 24 hours. The beauty was you could split those 8 hours as long as you showed 2 or more hours in one of the splits and the balance in the next shutdown. This way if a shipper or receiver had you sitting for over 2 hours it didn't matter because it allowed you to be able to ride out and just have to shutdown for 6 and back at it again. Paper logs plus 8 hour shutdown was best
Where I drive, the next 60 days are the most dangerous of the years.
You go Alex thank you
ELD'a were designed with other regulations to constrict a small business to a single digit profit margin. Mega carriers can make tens to hundreds of millions off of a decimal of a percent, but if you're a small business owner you're lucky to come away with a 50k profit margin if you have a 5-10 truck fleet per annum.
I never had any problems paper logging - eld's didn't allow for PC and would flag for violations if the truck moved while trying to use PC. I also hated how logging on just a couple seconds early could ruin a whole day. Don't know if it's like that still but those were some of my biggest problems when eld's first came out
You BETTER believe it was BETTER!!!!!
The problem was FMCSA let all eld companies self certified on FM CSA’s website. All they had to do was answer yes to all the questions and they were certified. Now those who lied about it are getting canceled at the trucking company cost.
Trucking was less stressful before ELD logs . It was less stressful on the old 10 hour driving rule and 15 hour work day . Now you can't stop your 14 hour clock . Less wrecks and nobody was in a Nascar race out there
You are highly misinformed.
Your 14 hour clock stops if you go off duty for 2 continuous hours prior to going on your 30 minute break, in the first 8 hours of your shift.
Why can't you "old timers" who think you know everything about trucking figure this shit out?!?!?! You don't have to add, subtract... there's absolutely nothing to think about, the God damn ELD resets the time automatically for you. It's not God damn rocket science.
You idiots fuckin' crack me up about how y'all think this shit's stressful. I remember my trainer freaking out on a Sunday night in traffic jam on I-94 just north of Chicago, I jumped his ass and told him to shut the hell up. I'd been in worse situations in Iraq and Afghanistan, it was just a traffic jam due to a accident.
You idiots used to drive for HOURS beyond the legal limit and most of you used amphetamines to stay awake while you did it. Everybody knows you carried 2 log books, which was stupid in the first place: why in the fuck would you carry a log book showing how many hours you REALLY drove? Do think a trooper wouldn't find it if he really wanted to?
This job's only stressful if you're a dumbass, it's not hard. "Steering Wheel Holders" prove everyday, this is not a hard job.
@@casteel765 I doubt that. I was out there trucking before you was born . Soon I'm going to be drawing 3800 a month TEAMSTERS pension. I started September 1983 in a 1977 WhiteFreghtliner 13 speed a Shiney 290 cabover . I all see now days is a bunch of steering wheel holders overweight and parking in fuel pumps that don't care about each other . Lot of wrecks out there from people who can care less about there appearance, there attitude or there fellow driver . There wreckless . I've done lived and drove it .
@kevinwhite9842 ok mr. Small peepee man. You are a god damn liar to fucking start. You haven't been driving before I was born. I was born n 1980 and I've been driving almost 21 years. I've done the stupid shit you think you are bragging about. I've drove 24 hours straight before. Its unsafe and elds make this job safer... all you limp dicks are the same. You think this job is soenthing to brag about when in fact you are gay and you brag to hide the fact you prefer hairy buttholes...
Been driving out here since 1989 and paper logs is way better then ELD we could use any paper logs and now they are changing what is acceptable for ELD this is ridiculous ELD sucks. We can all thank WERNER for ELD they were the pioneers of ELD
Companies would abuse drivers when there were paper logs. Make you run to log books. Never got any sleep. All day loading. Run all night.
Nay, drivers partially to blame at time as well, cause of “comfort”.
Instead of parking up at the nearest rest area. And logging off duty jumping back in their sleeper for the night…. They drive straight to their parking lot, cause hey… out of hours.. buts homes just 30 minutes up ahead. Then complain about driving all drowsy, no Hours cause the dispatcher didn’t dispatch right. But hey Had to get home for ma girl
They need to amend the ELD mandate to an option. All problems solved. It's our responsibility and LIABILITY. Not FMCSA OR ELD PROVIDERS. STOP THE NON-SENSE AND COMPLICATING SIMPLE TRANSPORTATION. ADDING MORE AND MORE COSTS AND GOVERNMENT EXPENSE.
probably discontinued due to the fact they can't be hooked up to the highway system ,where they can track all trucks this way they can adjust rated according to volume of trucks in certain areas .
Paper logs man...all the way 😎
depends what hos you're going by. im old enough to remember the 5 and 5 split. if youre running within limit it shouldnt matter.
I think the HOS is the bigger problem. My trucker friend was around when you could stop the clock when you needed to. Damn fmcsa pencil pushers decided it was safer for drivers to keep running even if they're tired.
For company driver with flat rate, ELD.
For owner, paper
Because of Werner, the ELD was forced on the driving industry. It was much safer and better on paper logs
Why can a man go underground in a coal mine and work 16 hours a day, or build a bridge or roadway at 16 hours legally a day with zero cap yet a trucker can work a little over half that per day to not get over 70 hours if he took a week off. The rules are just dumb, and the few good rules they had are no longer enforced which is why trucking has declined to the foreigners who dont value trucking.
Paper was safer. i drive more tired than i ever did! You're forced to drive when u shouldn't!!! However big brother knows best!! 😅😅😅
Paper logs were far safer, and I got the rest that was needed instead of being forced by a machine.
I don't know why everybody cries about ELD. I was spending at least 30 minutes every day filling up paper logs instead of doing something better, not to mention keeping copies and mailing to the company every few days. Now is much easier with ELD. And yes you can do same things with ELD if you want to
We are required to have paper logs on the truck with us on the truck at all times but can also get punished for some requirements that they demand which is kind of ridiculous
GPS made elds and paper logs more regulated but not any safer for a driver getting rest at the time they needed.
Paper Logs were definitely better in many ways. I’ve been both driver and Transportation Manager since 1994. ELD’s are a detriment
What other job is there that you have to count for every second of your day???
Shouldn’t have to clock driving from guard shack to a dock, etc
Glad I can’t make it for a free hot dogs
Actual Business owners should be able to run thier business how they choose long as they are not driving tired or overly fatigue whoch is what the eld mandate was about, company drivers should have to follow company rules period.