Hi. Thanks to Erin for the review. I don't really have many comments to it, but in case people have questions they would like my comments on, I'm here to help. Just an overall comment about our speakers, since I feel we get a little extra scrutiny due to our Jupiter measurement facility: As I (at least tried to) explained in the Heritage Special review, yes we have a state of the art measurement facility, but we don't design our speakers with the specific aim of resulting in perfect measurements. There are many things you can do to a speaker that makes it measure more cleanly in the typical measurements, but requires that we make compromises in other areas that we aren't necessarily willing to take. One is the mentioned cone/surround resonance, which is easy to fix, but typically through a stiffer cone which will alter the overall character of the sound in ways that we so far simply haven't preferred. In other words, we design speakers that may not provide a flat line, but we do it with our eyes open. The results are not random or unknown to us. Anyway, as mentioned if you have specific questions, I will answer what I can. /Otto, Dynaudio Academy
@@DynaudioAcademy thank you for sending the speakers my way. Not many manufacturers do that these days unless its to a channel that only ever praises products. So for me, it means a great deal you guys are willing to send these out for review and I know that my audience really appreciates that as well. Thanks for taking the time to jump in here and offer your insights into the design.
I understand that Dynaudio has some ideas about how the speakers should sound, as stated in the Heritage Special (which I have) comment. I equalized my HS on base of the measurements from Erin and they sound more to my liking now.
me as a potential customer for the emit 30 i would like to know why the design goal is to have a wide dip in the response and that you have to turn op the volume to hear the vocals better?
@@madcrabber1113 I think my answers get auto-deleted for including a weblink - but in short: With registration, 8 years warranty on drivers and crossovers. /Otto, Dynaudio Academy
Huge Shout out to Dynaudio for providing another speaker!! Polk R700 current sale price under $1600 puts them in competition with these Emits. Going from memory I believe the Bass looks better on the Dynaudio's.
@@ErinsAudioCorner I really appreciate your comparison videos. Your nuance of positioning, placement, and off-axis response really helps. It's not about being a "better" speaker, it's about being better for how you plan to listen/place/use the speaker.
Now I can see why these sounded so warm and soft to my ears, basically everything above 2khz or so is one or a few db down relative to everything below 1khz. The on axis in this case tells a lot about this speaker. These speakers are warm and ear pleasing so I guess it is done on purpose because despite Dynaudio having a rather impressive measuring room Jupiter, they still dont measure great. That wonky FR can certainly be audible to some people, but trust me when I say these speakers are made to sound inoffensive as possible, maybe more inoffensive as Wharfedales.
I've been enjoying the bejeezus out of my PSB Alpha T20 minitowers, which are a similar design with a similar intent, but (from the sounds of Erin's review) the PSB's manage to be much more nimble in the upper registers, while still not sounding the tiniest bit fatiguing. Oh and they're less than half the money.
Its interesting to see a home speaker. I installed 3 dynaudio systems for automobiles, including a porsche911. The woofers limit coil excursion so they dont play stupid loud but instead make good tone and dont run the risk of damage. They last a long time which I care about in a car. On one occasion I had to buy components from Poland.
I owned these speakers they were ok , bass was a little overdone and needed a decent amplifier to control the low frequencies not enough detail for me and sounded a little too soft. Great for hours of listening without any fatigue but overall a little flat but not bad for a budget speaker.
For the Algorithm! I really enjoyed the Emit 20, more so for music, but felt they fall behind something with a compression driver for movies and speech intelligibility. I found them warm in the midrange and maybe even a little soft in the details, but they were never intrusive or distractingly flawed. Comparing the EIR between the two it appears the 30's are just a little smoother above the XO (Edit: edge diffraction) than the 20's. Overall I have no regrets getting the 20's and I suspect if you like the Dynaudio house sound these Emit 30's would be a good speaker for a smaller room.
Had dynaudio contours for 25 years, then dynaudio confidence c4 for 10 years. Wishes they measured a bit better in these reviews, but in practice they are great speakers and very well built.
You are leaving out Focal, Adam, Yamaha HS8 never reviewed also - praised for flat freq response.. KRK claim to have very flat freq response to their 5th GEN. I get it that these brands have more of professional speakers. But would be good to take a look at the PRO section as they are valuable in the "Audiophile Section" too. I'm commenting here because I follow you and love the way you review every speaker. The best out there. Keep It Up!!!
I’d love to review all of those. The problem is getting them. These have to be sourced. So if there’s a brand you want to see me cover make sure to let them know. I do have a Yamaha review coming soon. Finished up the data last night. 👍
@@ErinsAudioCornerYou know there was a question you posted on patreon about "what would you like to see" and I immediately thought "reader submissions!" But the logistics of that aren't easy. While I'd love to see your reviews of some of the speakers in my collection, I couldn't possibly afford to send you them in a manner that would ensure they get there and back intact. But I bet there's quite a few people nearby that could do this. Maybe put out a call and ask people to send you their gems. You might get some interesting stuff!
@@doctormidnight I have tried a couple times in the past. Had some good luck. I'm actually hoping I can work with my local retailer here in town to get loaner units from them. Would be a great way to highlight their shop and get some stuff to share with you all!
Fun fact: Dynaudio was one of the first in the industry to buy Klippel system - thay didn't know how to use it tho, so they ... sold it Karl Heinz-Fink :)
I wouldn't quite call that "fact" 🙂 But it is true that we used to own a Klippel NFS. After we built Jupiter, the Klippel NFS started to become a de-facto reference measurement system in the market, and we decided to buy one to be able to compare our results directly with competition. Including by the way a custom-built crane, that allowed us to measure larger speakers than what the standard Kllippel NFS assembly allows. However, we realized that it did not provide us with any data that we couldn't obtain much faster using Jupiter. So we never put it to much use, and decided to re-sell it (we still have the crane, if anyone is interested... 🙂). There is no data the Klippel NFS can provide, that we cannot get from Jupiter, faster. We do of course still use various Klippel tools for driver analysis etc. /Otto, Dynaudio Academy
@@DynaudioAcademy Nice spin for those that do not know how Klippel works and what are the pros and cons of working with anechoic chamber ... I'm sure that many people with first hand experience in speaker design are laughing out loud now :)
It’s nice to see the data on those speakers, if that bump was lower it would be good, i find their response even more linear than the special forty, i’m not sure why they designed the special forty with such a forward bump … Cool to see it’s designed well enough to where it can be eq’d if needed ! On another note i’m eager to see the comparison between the ps audio et radiance you talked about in another post.
That edge diffraction dip from 4-5k is a bitch. It’s unavoidable without either a waveguide or a heavy chamfer or roundover. It will drive you nuts as a designer., especially if you’re trying to stick to a price point.
Love the channel Erin and have learned so much. I wish more uoutube reviewers would declare when they have received free equipment for a review, or have been paid. If they don't say anything I assume they have been paid or at least incentivised. I know these are at the less expensive end of the range, but they do look a bit cheap.
I'd love to see Evoke 20 and 30 here as I had both. I think 30 are more neutral and probably measure better, but man, Evoke 20 were so sweet. But I ended up with Evoke 30 which I blindly bought used.
Hey Erin great vid. Can you do a video about how to go about setting up a proper EQ. What the terminology means and how to incorporate that to resolve issues after you run a tone sweep? where to set the EQ, How to make the range wide or narrow, how much to bring it down or up etc. That would be very helpful!
I talked about it in this video earlier this year. I think this should help. If not, lmk. Budget Stereo Systems You Will Love ruclips.net/video/6GcFznDiJQU/видео.html
@@ErinsAudioCorner I remember that video, I watch all of your content. while that video shows how you correct those budget speakers, it's not really what I was looking for. What I would love is for you to take one problematic speaker and walk us through initial measurements, identifying the problem areas to be addressed, and specifically HOW to address them using something like the Wiim. What are the filter types, what is Q, where do we place our EQ locations and why, and how do we choose how much gain to add or attenuate? I think a focused A-B process video on EQ would be a great and welcome addition to your channel. Maybe something that you could do in between speaker reviews when you are waiting on shipments or something. I also think it would be really cool to see a full Klippel measurement pre and post adjustment to get a full picture of how those modifications have effected the full soundstage as opposed to just the on axis. Content like that is something I haven't seen anyone really do, let alone someone of your caliber.
Please review the audio first designs fidelia! You seem to have measured it already. What I am curious about is how it managed to get that smooth directivity in a two way design (if vertical reflection is included). There does not seem to be discontinuity in the crossover region?
Thanks a lot for another great and detailed review! I found the explanation about 2 and half ways speakers very interesting (I had wondered what that meant but was afraid to ask) Also: the comment on keeping them close to the wall and working with eq to get rid of the boominess is fantastic (any chance you might give us a couple hints on which frequencies should be reduced in order to achieve this?)
Thanks. For Qing, the bulliness, it really would depend on the room dimensions. It can be quite different from room to room below about 400 Hz. So you would need to use an RTA. You could even download something from your phone and use that for the lower frequencies, but I wouldn’t trust it for anything above a couple hundred hertz if you want accuracy. Still, that would be enough to get you started. See if this video helps: ruclips.net/video/6GcFznDiJQU/видео.html
I'm glad he mentioned it too, if you look at the forums almost no one acknowledges this, if there's any hint of boominess they always say to pull the speaker out from the wall. Um, NO!? I'm not giving up FREE bass efficiency - extension and SPL! Or lowered distortion at the same SPL due to reduced excursion at the same output level! Parametric EQ exists. I want maximum reinforcement for the low bass, certainly below 50-60hz, and then EQing down somewhere in the 100-300hz range, that's a very typical range for boominess and muddied up male vocals etc. So a relatively wide Q, 1.5-2, centered around 150-200hz, start there. Bass below 40-50hz in my personal opinion can never sound boomy, I don't even want linear/flat here I want significantly boosted response below this range, it never sounds bad or harms vocal clarity etc. But that 100-300hz range is basically always the culprit for that subjective effect. Like he said based on room dimensions and stuff, you might have to pull something down between 50-100, but you really want to keep the free output below 50 from the boundary reinforcement.
Since this is a ported design, i would think that resonance comes from the port, not the edge surround. Unless the cone-surround structure is really undamped, I don't think it would give these kind of issues. 1.3kHz is extremely typical for a port for a speaker this size. Would you mind testing IMD with a 120-150Hz highpass instead 80Hz? Especially in a multi-sub setup it would be interesting to see the difference.
It’s typical edge/surround. Every Dyn speaker and driver I’ve tested shows this. Similar to Scanspeak and Audio Technology drivers. But it was also confirmed by Dyn in one of my previous reviews.
@ErinsAudioCorner mmm, just the compression parts doesn't make sense with an edge surround? 🤔 It's just an interference resonance, not really limited or correlated to SPL. A port however, the resonance frequency of a tube does change when the port starts to compress. You could also see this with the tuning freq of the port.
Surround resonance looks just like that. The speaker begins moving so fast that the rubber begins flopping in weird patterns over a range of about half an octave.
@@p_mouse8676I seem to recall an individual driver that was tested in a sealed box? And it showed the same things. Edit : look up Dynaudio MW172 Klippel by Erin. 11:02. Very similar response. Why is the surround resonance frequencies almost the same for the 5" woofer vs the 8" woofer? The 8" woofer has a larger diameter voice coil, meaning the distance from coil to surround is actually quite close to the same distance for 5" woofer coil to surround.
Great job, Erin. Really like how you explain how very particular anomalies in the measurement will affect the real life sound in the room. If you keep doing that enough, people are definitely going to get a whole lot smarter reading the measurements and figuring out how those results will affect their listening experience. And that will make for a much smarter, more rational audiophile community. Everyone wins in that world but the snake oil purveyors. So thank again.
Not a bad value...I think the same-priced Revel F35 is better behaved and a better overall choice, but it does not have the bass response of this speaker. If you use a subwoofer, then the bass response offered here is irrelevant.
@tylerrynberg I'm not sure I agree with that. There are several ways to integrate a subwoofer, a popular one is to run the speaker full range and only let the sub play below what the speaker is doing. But even if you cross over at say 80 Hz, the speaker's ability to deliver an octave below the crossover point impacts the sub integration. And especially if you want to plug the port to help with the sub integration, it helps to have some headroom. So I would definitely say that a better bass respones makes the sub integration better. Plus, if you compare with an Emit 10, it would be easy to assume that the result would be the same if you cross it at 80 Hz and add a sub - but that is false, you have twice the cone area much higher up in the frequency range, and that is very beneficial. /Otto, Dynaudio Academy
@@DynaudioAcademy I think you are mistaking Revel models...the F35 is a tower with a 5.25" midrange and two 5.25" woofers. I agree with you on output capability, but I would be more worried about the 80-160 Hz range. And I'm not sure in what circles it is popular to run the mains full-range and bring the subwoofer up to fill in the gap. That concept was outdated 20 years ago.
In the past, most of the Dynaudios frequency response were more wellbehaved than this one! Maybe it is a new thing they are trying or because this is the economic line, but I'm not incline to listen to them now! Thanks for another great review!
I know it wasn't a question, but since it often pops up: The first Dynaudio speaker with inside voice coil was Contour 1.1, in 1995 🙂Like it or not, it is not a recent development. /Otto, Dynaudio Academy
ERIN!! Bro....I just want to say I thoroughly enjoy all your vids and wanted to help enhance engagement for you. That's it. Cheers! Okay...I lied. One thing more. Aura 2 or Linton 85s to go to your grave with? Go.
@ErinsAudioCorner Phew! Sitting with my Lintons now but thought of audioinfidelity by testing some Auras available here for about $1700 w/o or $2000 with stands. I looooove my Lintons so I was just curious. Thanks!!
Not yet. I swap them out so often that it really just didn’t make sense for me to buy anything. Plus when I was about to buy a pair of the MOFI 888 speakers I cracked a rim on my car and also had to replace all four tires at the same time. So that wiped that out. 😡 But I’ve been using the Audio First Fidelia speakers lately as my sanity check reference for tonality.
If you’re gonna get a subwoofer and use PEQ, I would skip these and get the Klipsch RP-8000F ii currently on sale for $1000 a pair, an RSL Speedwoofer S10 mk ii for $449 and pocket the savings. With parametric EQ, you can achieve similar in room estimated response but much better dynamics with the Klipch and RSL combo. Sure the Dynaudio has a wider radiation pattern but Klipsch probably plays better with the average person that has an untreated or reflective room. The snap and immediacy of higher efficiency design probably more noticeable and palpable than the difference in radiation pattern.
The Klipsch sound much different. You can EQ them to look the same at one angle but the dispersion is wider with the Dyn by about 30 degrees. The Klipsch also has a more narrow sweet spot vertically. So they’ll sound quite different.
For about the price of these Dynadio speakers, you can get the following Klipsch speaker set on sale at Adorama (saw the deal posted on Slickdeals):2x RP-8000F II Floor Speakers, 1x RP-504C II Center Speaker, 2x RP-600M II Bookshelf Speakers and the RP-1200SW Subwoofer
I saw it has 2 ports and I was wondering if they had two separate chambers because it's a 2.5? One mid woofer and the lower woofer handling the bass duties. I looked on their website but I didn't see anything about the cabinets design. It's more of a curiosity, because I am wondering if a 2.5 needs 2 separate chambers. I know most have them but I don't know if they are absolutely necessary.
@DynaudioAcademy thank you very much for the quick response. I have seen some 2.5 designs with separate chambers but I didn't really think that it was needed seeing that they are the same drivers and playing the same low frequencies. Thank you 👍
If these are good for $1,700 a pair, is that ignoring the price? Keep in mind $1700 is the price of two Kali IN-8 monitors plus two 10” monoprice THX subwoofers and a mini DSP to integrate it all.
I like the bass extension with reasonable sensitivity (as opposed to completely trading one for the other) and the overall directivity looks good and would take well to EQ. But like I said in the video, my personal hangup is the octave-wide dip in the treble that gave them too much of a "soft" sound. EQ can pretty well remedy that, though.
EDIT: WOW I feel dumb. Somehow I thought that the Q7 Meta was $900/pair, not $900/ea. In hindsight, no that doesn't make sense that they'd be that inexpensive. That kinda blows up the budget comparison. Oops, sorry. If I were looking for a pair of towers in the $1700 price range I'd probably look at a pair of KEF Q7 Meta towers with a sub or two -- assuming those towers play like bigger Q Concerto Meta bookshelves.
The IN-8's while fantastic in almost everything, suffers in high output from the tweeter (102db compression). So as long as you stay below 96db, it would be good. Surprisingly the LP-8 V2 is much better at 102db without the high range compression.
@@ec6843Those who want a more accurate four way system that can be calibrated to the room... Plus more bass extension, and less offensive floor and ceiling bounce.
The only thing you are missing in your videos is taking them apart and showing/describing the parts and why the parts make things cost more or less. love your vids though.
I still want my MTV... That copy of Dire Straits better be home when I get there this afternoon... Algorithm!!! Good speakers for the $$$ (for nothin' and your chicks for free...)
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yes! I ordered the CD over a week ago. I don't know if the shipping canoe sank, the bicycle broke down, the balloon hit power cables, or what. 🤣🤣
lots of these design mirroring the elacs from a few years back when alex jones was doing the design.. 2.5 way with a narrow baffle and small drivers... not sure why they crossed to the tweeter so high on these. tear it down and find a cheap x-over
@@ErinsAudioCorner no of course not but it seems to me the first elacs small floorstanders made quite an impression in the industry. i had the dfr 52's and i see so many now that look nearly identical.
Hi. Just want to point out that the Emit 30, and it's bigger brother Evoke 30, is essentially from a lineage that goes back to the Excite X32, which we launched in 2008. In terms of the crossover point, note that the tweeter crossover is essentially a 1st order, so it contributes more to the output than the number may imply. Since Erin doesn't normally do near-field measurements of the driver, this isn't really obvious from this review. /Otto, Dynaudio Academy
Erin I don't think you are telling the whole story. Every recording you play has an EQ adjustment applied to it. So every recording needs a different EQ. There is no one size fits all frequency response for a speaker. A flat response speaker will sound too harsh if there are peaks in the recording. It can sound too dull if there are dips in the recording. You also have an EQ don't you, so why does it even matter what the response is? I'm sure any audiophile that is buying hi fi speakers can afford a cheap EQ. That will solve all this nonsense about how flat the speaker is once and for all.
Watch this video about speakers, room and sound. Which was filmed at an audio engineering college. ruclips.net/video/zrpUDuUtxPM/видео.htmlsi=tuXH9tQpZ5DZrgch
I don't get why you always have to define your seating terminology. I never hear other reviewers use your wording. Why not just say straight ahead, toed in or toed out? It would seem so much easier and wouldn't require us to reprogram our minds. The terminology should be just like an alignment of a car.
Because it seems like many people define it differently and I have people ask me often if I don’t tell them. It takes 10 seconds to mention it upfront and saves me much more time on the backend.
I think what Erin meant to say is that people "define" these terms differently (not "to find"), and that's true. Some reviewers mean "pointing at your ears" when they say "straight" and "toe in" means criss-crossing over each other. The car alignment analogy doesn't work when there's no agreement on what constitutes "straight."
@@michaelblumfield3933 I find this hilarious! If you ask 100 people what straight is in context of direction, I am sure most of them will give you the same answer. I think humanity has good understanding of the word straight 😂. My comment is just for fun and giggles, I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that your comment is quite up there!
It’s nice to see the data on those speakers, if that bump was lower it would be good, i find their response even more linear than the special forty, i’m not sure why they designed the special forty with such a forward bump … Cool to see it’s designed well enough to where it can be eq’d if needed ! On another note i’m eager to see the comparison between the ps audio et radiance you talked about in another post.
Hi. Thanks to Erin for the review. I don't really have many comments to it, but in case people have questions they would like my comments on, I'm here to help.
Just an overall comment about our speakers, since I feel we get a little extra scrutiny due to our Jupiter measurement facility: As I (at least tried to) explained in the Heritage Special review, yes we have a state of the art measurement facility, but we don't design our speakers with the specific aim of resulting in perfect measurements. There are many things you can do to a speaker that makes it measure more cleanly in the typical measurements, but requires that we make compromises in other areas that we aren't necessarily willing to take. One is the mentioned cone/surround resonance, which is easy to fix, but typically through a stiffer cone which will alter the overall character of the sound in ways that we so far simply haven't preferred. In other words, we design speakers that may not provide a flat line, but we do it with our eyes open. The results are not random or unknown to us.
Anyway, as mentioned if you have specific questions, I will answer what I can.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
@@DynaudioAcademy thank you for sending the speakers my way. Not many manufacturers do that these days unless its to a channel that only ever praises products. So for me, it means a great deal you guys are willing to send these out for review and I know that my audience really appreciates that as well.
Thanks for taking the time to jump in here and offer your insights into the design.
I understand that Dynaudio has some ideas about how the speakers should sound, as stated in the Heritage Special (which I have) comment. I equalized my HS on base of the measurements from Erin and they sound more to my liking now.
Link to warranty details?
me as a potential customer for the emit 30 i would like to know why the design goal is to have a wide dip in the response and that you have to turn op the volume to hear the vocals better?
@@madcrabber1113 I think my answers get auto-deleted for including a weblink - but in short: With registration, 8 years warranty on drivers and crossovers.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
its a great move by Dynaudio to send these for review, and also being open for feedback, questions or what ever. Marketing done right. Applause👏
Huge Shout out to Dynaudio for providing another speaker!!
Polk R700 current sale price under $1600 puts them in competition with these Emits. Going from memory I believe the Bass looks better on the Dynaudio's.
I have a LOT of “comparison” type videos I need to make …
@@ErinsAudioCorner I really appreciate your comparison videos. Your nuance of positioning, placement, and off-axis response really helps. It's not about being a "better" speaker, it's about being better for how you plan to listen/place/use the speaker.
@@ErinsAudioCornerI appreciate your comparisons at the end of the video with chapters. Really helps people compare when researching
Now, we need somebody to send Erin the new KEF Q11 Meta, so we can find out if they match the excellent performance of the Q Concerto Meta!
@@marct9587 I suspect they probably do. I just got the Q7 and Q6 meta's and so far they are pretty awesome.
Now I can see why these sounded so warm and soft to my ears, basically everything above 2khz or so is one or a few db down relative to everything below 1khz. The on axis in this case tells a lot about this speaker. These speakers are warm and ear pleasing so I guess it is done on purpose because despite Dynaudio having a rather impressive measuring room Jupiter, they still dont measure great. That wonky FR can certainly be audible to some people, but trust me when I say these speakers are made to sound inoffensive as possible, maybe more inoffensive as Wharfedales.
That’s a reasonable take.
I've been enjoying the bejeezus out of my PSB Alpha T20 minitowers, which are a similar design with a similar intent, but (from the sounds of Erin's review) the PSB's manage to be much more nimble in the upper registers, while still not sounding the tiniest bit fatiguing. Oh and they're less than half the money.
EPOS.....send this man your speakers.
Nobody talks about EPOS speakers and they're the best sounding things my ears have ever vibrated to
yay, dynaudio! The speaker company that got me into audio
Had my Emit M10's for a few years now and love the sound overall.
Erin, you are a blessing to the audio community. Thank you for your work.
Wow, thank you!
I own a pair of Dynaudio excite x44 in rosewood finish looks gorgeous!
Sounds great too!!
I am hoping dynaudio will send you more speakers!!
Its interesting to see a home speaker. I installed 3 dynaudio systems for automobiles, including a porsche911. The woofers limit coil excursion so they dont play stupid loud but instead make good tone and dont run the risk of damage. They last a long time which I care about in a car. On one occasion I had to buy components from Poland.
I loved my little Dynaudio DM6/2s . So punchy for their size and cheap on the used market.
Dynaudio should fix that choppy response above 1k. Dont tell me they cant do better than that
I owned these speakers they were ok , bass was a little overdone and needed a decent amplifier to control the low frequencies not enough detail for me and sounded a little too soft.
Great for hours of listening without any fatigue but overall a little flat but not bad for a budget speaker.
For the Algorithm! I really enjoyed the Emit 20, more so for music, but felt they fall behind something with a compression driver for movies and speech intelligibility. I found them warm in the midrange and maybe even a little soft in the details, but they were never intrusive or distractingly flawed. Comparing the EIR between the two it appears the 30's are just a little smoother above the XO (Edit: edge diffraction) than the 20's. Overall I have no regrets getting the 20's and I suspect if you like the Dynaudio house sound these Emit 30's would be a good speaker for a smaller room.
Had dynaudio contours for 25 years, then dynaudio confidence c4 for 10 years. Wishes they measured a bit better in these reviews, but in practice they are great speakers and very well built.
You are leaving out Focal, Adam, Yamaha HS8 never reviewed also - praised for flat freq response.. KRK claim to have very flat freq response to their 5th GEN. I get it that these brands have more of professional speakers. But would be good to take a look at the PRO section as they are valuable in the "Audiophile Section" too. I'm commenting here because I follow you and love the way you review every speaker. The best out there. Keep It Up!!!
I’d love to review all of those. The problem is getting them. These have to be sourced. So if there’s a brand you want to see me cover make sure to let them know.
I do have a Yamaha review coming soon. Finished up the data last night. 👍
@@ErinsAudioCornerYou know there was a question you posted on patreon about "what would you like to see" and I immediately thought "reader submissions!"
But the logistics of that aren't easy. While I'd love to see your reviews of some of the speakers in my collection, I couldn't possibly afford to send you them in a manner that would ensure they get there and back intact.
But I bet there's quite a few people nearby that could do this. Maybe put out a call and ask people to send you their gems.
You might get some interesting stuff!
@@doctormidnight I have tried a couple times in the past. Had some good luck. I'm actually hoping I can work with my local retailer here in town to get loaner units from them. Would be a great way to highlight their shop and get some stuff to share with you all!
Thank you Erin 👍🌟👍
Fun fact: Dynaudio was one of the first in the industry to buy Klippel system - thay didn't know how to use it tho, so they ... sold it Karl Heinz-Fink :)
I wouldn't quite call that "fact" 🙂 But it is true that we used to own a Klippel NFS. After we built Jupiter, the Klippel NFS started to become a de-facto reference measurement system in the market, and we decided to buy one to be able to compare our results directly with competition. Including by the way a custom-built crane, that allowed us to measure larger speakers than what the standard Kllippel NFS assembly allows. However, we realized that it did not provide us with any data that we couldn't obtain much faster using Jupiter. So we never put it to much use, and decided to re-sell it (we still have the crane, if anyone is interested... 🙂). There is no data the Klippel NFS can provide, that we cannot get from Jupiter, faster.
We do of course still use various Klippel tools for driver analysis etc.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
And he created the best loudspeaker on the planet
Super cool piece of history 😊
@@DynaudioAcademy Nice spin for those that do not know how Klippel works and what are the pros and cons of working with anechoic chamber ... I'm sure that many people with first hand experience in speaker design are laughing out loud now :)
@@Elberoth Jupiter is not an anechoic chamber.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
It’s nice to see the data on those speakers, if that bump was lower it would be good, i find their response even more linear than the special forty, i’m not sure why they designed the special forty with such a forward bump …
Cool to see it’s designed well enough to where it can be eq’d if needed !
On another note i’m eager to see the comparison between the ps audio et radiance you talked about in another post.
I was going for Dynaudio until I heard the Revival Antalante 3, and got interested. Now I think i will get the Atalante 4. Quite an investment for me.
That edge diffraction dip from 4-5k is a bitch. It’s unavoidable without either a waveguide or a heavy chamfer or roundover. It will drive you nuts as a designer., especially if you’re trying to stick to a price point.
Love the channel Erin and have learned so much. I wish more uoutube reviewers would declare when they have received free equipment for a review, or have been paid. If they don't say anything I assume they have been paid or at least incentivised. I know these are at the less expensive end of the range, but they do look a bit cheap.
I'd love to see Evoke 20 and 30 here as I had both. I think 30 are more neutral and probably measure better, but man, Evoke 20 were so sweet. But I ended up with Evoke 30 which I blindly bought used.
Next do Evoke 30 pls🙏
Hey Erin great vid. Can you do a video about how to go about setting up a proper EQ. What the terminology means and how to incorporate that to resolve issues after you run a tone sweep? where to set the EQ, How to make the range wide or narrow, how much to bring it down or up etc. That would be very helpful!
I talked about it in this video earlier this year. I think this should help. If not, lmk.
Budget Stereo Systems You Will Love
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@@ErinsAudioCorner I remember that video, I watch all of your content. while that video shows how you correct those budget speakers, it's not really what I was looking for. What I would love is for you to take one problematic speaker and walk us through initial measurements, identifying the problem areas to be addressed, and specifically HOW to address them using something like the Wiim. What are the filter types, what is Q, where do we place our EQ locations and why, and how do we choose how much gain to add or attenuate? I think a focused A-B process video on EQ would be a great and welcome addition to your channel. Maybe something that you could do in between speaker reviews when you are waiting on shipments or something. I also think it would be really cool to see a full Klippel measurement pre and post adjustment to get a full picture of how those modifications have effected the full soundstage as opposed to just the on axis. Content like that is something I haven't seen anyone really do, let alone someone of your caliber.
Please review the audio first designs fidelia! You seem to have measured it already. What I am curious about is how it managed to get that smooth directivity in a two way design (if vertical reflection is included). There does not seem to be discontinuity in the crossover region?
It’s coming.
Thanks a lot for another great and detailed review! I found the explanation about 2 and half ways speakers very interesting (I had wondered what that meant but was afraid to ask) Also: the comment on keeping them close to the wall and working with eq to get rid of the boominess is fantastic (any chance you might give us a couple hints on which frequencies should be reduced in order to achieve this?)
Thanks.
For Qing, the bulliness, it really would depend on the room dimensions. It can be quite different from room to room below about 400 Hz. So you would need to use an RTA. You could even download something from your phone and use that for the lower frequencies, but I wouldn’t trust it for anything above a couple hundred hertz if you want accuracy. Still, that would be enough to get you started. See if this video helps:
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I'm glad he mentioned it too, if you look at the forums almost no one acknowledges this, if there's any hint of boominess they always say to pull the speaker out from the wall. Um, NO!? I'm not giving up FREE bass efficiency - extension and SPL! Or lowered distortion at the same SPL due to reduced excursion at the same output level! Parametric EQ exists. I want maximum reinforcement for the low bass, certainly below 50-60hz, and then EQing down somewhere in the 100-300hz range, that's a very typical range for boominess and muddied up male vocals etc. So a relatively wide Q, 1.5-2, centered around 150-200hz, start there. Bass below 40-50hz in my personal opinion can never sound boomy, I don't even want linear/flat here I want significantly boosted response below this range, it never sounds bad or harms vocal clarity etc. But that 100-300hz range is basically always the culprit for that subjective effect. Like he said based on room dimensions and stuff, you might have to pull something down between 50-100, but you really want to keep the free output below 50 from the boundary reinforcement.
Since this is a ported design, i would think that resonance comes from the port, not the edge surround.
Unless the cone-surround structure is really undamped, I don't think it would give these kind of issues. 1.3kHz is extremely typical for a port for a speaker this size.
Would you mind testing IMD with a 120-150Hz highpass instead 80Hz?
Especially in a multi-sub setup it would be interesting to see the difference.
It’s typical edge/surround. Every Dyn speaker and driver I’ve tested shows this. Similar to Scanspeak and Audio Technology drivers.
But it was also confirmed by Dyn in one of my previous reviews.
@ErinsAudioCorner mmm, just the compression parts doesn't make sense with an edge surround? 🤔
It's just an interference resonance, not really limited or correlated to SPL. A port however, the resonance frequency of a tube does change when the port starts to compress.
You could also see this with the tuning freq of the port.
Surround resonance looks just like that. The speaker begins moving so fast that the rubber begins flopping in weird patterns over a range of about half an octave.
My bookshelves weight almost as much as this speaker that should tell you something 😅😅
@@p_mouse8676I seem to recall an individual driver that was tested in a sealed box? And it showed the same things.
Edit : look up Dynaudio MW172 Klippel by Erin. 11:02. Very similar response. Why is the surround resonance frequencies almost the same for the 5" woofer vs the 8" woofer? The 8" woofer has a larger diameter voice coil, meaning the distance from coil to surround is actually quite close to the same distance for 5" woofer coil to surround.
Great job, Erin. Really like how you explain how very particular anomalies in the measurement will affect the real life sound in the room. If you keep doing that enough, people are definitely going to get a whole lot smarter reading the measurements and figuring out how those results will affect their listening experience. And that will make for a much smarter, more rational audiophile community. Everyone wins in that world but the snake oil purveyors. So thank again.
Whey you say "given to you for review", does that mean you get get keep the speakers or do you have to send them back after reviewing them?
They were loaned for review with no payment of any form (product, money).
Every video we get an explanation of on axis vs of axis. Where did this burst analysis came from and what does it mean?
I have a HUGE post about it on my community page here and my Facebook group. 👍
Not a bad value...I think the same-priced Revel F35 is better behaved and a better overall choice, but it does not have the bass response of this speaker. If you use a subwoofer, then the bass response offered here is irrelevant.
@tylerrynberg I'm not sure I agree with that. There are several ways to integrate a subwoofer, a popular one is to run the speaker full range and only let the sub play below what the speaker is doing. But even if you cross over at say 80 Hz, the speaker's ability to deliver an octave below the crossover point impacts the sub integration. And especially if you want to plug the port to help with the sub integration, it helps to have some headroom. So I would definitely say that a better bass respones makes the sub integration better. Plus, if you compare with an Emit 10, it would be easy to assume that the result would be the same if you cross it at 80 Hz and add a sub - but that is false, you have twice the cone area much higher up in the frequency range, and that is very beneficial.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
But Revel design is so ugly!
@@DynaudioAcademy I think you are mistaking Revel models...the F35 is a tower with a 5.25" midrange and two 5.25" woofers. I agree with you on output capability, but I would be more worried about the 80-160 Hz range.
And I'm not sure in what circles it is popular to run the mains full-range and bring the subwoofer up to fill in the gap. That concept was outdated 20 years ago.
Great review 👍💯
Much appreciated.
In the past, most of the Dynaudios frequency response were more wellbehaved than this one! Maybe it is a new thing they are trying or because this is the economic line, but I'm not incline to listen to them now! Thanks for another great review!
If they all sounded the same then they would make one speaker
@@Powerpickle68 Exactly!
for me if a dustcaps are conventionally sized (small coil) it's not a Dynaudio speaker. seems like some globalization is involved.
I know it wasn't a question, but since it often pops up: The first Dynaudio speaker with inside voice coil was Contour 1.1, in 1995 🙂Like it or not, it is not a recent development.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
ERIN!! Bro....I just want to say I thoroughly enjoy all your vids and wanted to help enhance engagement for you. That's it. Cheers!
Okay...I lied. One thing more. Aura 2 or Linton 85s to go to your grave with? Go.
Linton. Both are good but I prefer the Linton.
@ErinsAudioCorner Phew! Sitting with my Lintons now but thought of audioinfidelity by testing some Auras available here for about $1700 w/o or $2000 with stands.
I looooove my Lintons so I was just curious. Thanks!!
Hi Erin, is the octave wide dip you said fixable with Dirac Live? i dont like recessed vocals.
It shouldn’t be a problem if your target intends to be linear through that region (not flat, but linearly sloped).
Erin, Did you ever purchase a speaker for your system?
Not yet. I swap them out so often that it really just didn’t make sense for me to buy anything. Plus when I was about to buy a pair of the MOFI 888 speakers I cracked a rim on my car and also had to replace all four tires at the same time. So that wiped that out. 😡
But I’ve been using the Audio First Fidelia speakers lately as my sanity check reference for tonality.
If you’re gonna get a subwoofer and use PEQ, I would skip these and get the Klipsch RP-8000F ii currently on sale for $1000 a pair, an RSL Speedwoofer S10 mk ii for $449 and pocket the savings. With parametric EQ, you can achieve similar in room estimated response but much better dynamics with the Klipch and RSL combo. Sure the Dynaudio has a wider radiation pattern but Klipsch probably plays better with the average person that has an untreated or reflective room. The snap and immediacy of higher efficiency design probably more noticeable and palpable than the difference in radiation pattern.
The Klipsch sound much different. You can EQ them to look the same at one angle but the dispersion is wider with the Dyn by about 30 degrees. The Klipsch also has a more narrow sweet spot vertically. So they’ll sound quite different.
@@ErinsAudioCornerIt would come down to preference of wider radiation pattern vs better dynamics
Glad you understand the difference why they won’t sound the same despite being EQ’d to have the same profile. 👍
For about the price of these Dynadio speakers, you can get the following Klipsch speaker set on sale at Adorama (saw the deal posted on Slickdeals):2x RP-8000F II Floor Speakers, 1x RP-504C II Center Speaker, 2x RP-600M II Bookshelf Speakers and the RP-1200SW Subwoofer
I saw it has 2 ports and I was wondering if they had two separate chambers because it's a 2.5? One mid woofer and the lower woofer handling the bass duties. I looked on their website but I didn't see anything about the cabinets design. It's more of a curiosity, because I am wondering if a 2.5 needs 2 separate chambers. I know most have them but I don't know if they are absolutely necessary.
It's one chamber.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
@DynaudioAcademy thank you very much for the quick response. I have seen some 2.5 designs with separate chambers but I didn't really think that it was needed seeing that they are the same drivers and playing the same low frequencies. Thank you 👍
Wait, a Dynaudio speaker that isn't $6000 with a 78dB sensitivity? Do we assume somebody got fired for this?
If these are good for $1,700 a pair, is that ignoring the price?
Keep in mind $1700 is the price of two Kali IN-8 monitors plus two 10” monoprice THX subwoofers and a mini DSP to integrate it all.
I like the bass extension with reasonable sensitivity (as opposed to completely trading one for the other) and the overall directivity looks good and would take well to EQ. But like I said in the video, my personal hangup is the octave-wide dip in the treble that gave them too much of a "soft" sound. EQ can pretty well remedy that, though.
EDIT: WOW I feel dumb. Somehow I thought that the Q7 Meta was $900/pair, not $900/ea. In hindsight, no that doesn't make sense that they'd be that inexpensive. That kinda blows up the budget comparison. Oops, sorry.
If I were looking for a pair of towers in the $1700 price range I'd probably look at a pair of KEF Q7 Meta towers with a sub or two -- assuming those towers play like bigger Q Concerto Meta bookshelves.
The IN-8's while fantastic in almost everything, suffers in high output from the tweeter (102db compression). So as long as you stay below 96db, it would be good. Surprisingly the LP-8 V2 is much better at 102db without the high range compression.
Who wants to deal with two monitors plus two subwoofers?
@@ec6843Those who want a more accurate four way system that can be calibrated to the room... Plus more bass extension, and less offensive floor and ceiling bounce.
Please rewiev subwoofer polk xt12!!
The only thing you are missing in your videos is taking them apart and showing/describing the parts and why the parts make things cost more or less. love your vids though.
Erin sometimes does pull the drivers, but he usually asks permission first since they are not his speakers.
Time. And sometimes these aren’t mine to disassemble.
Not sure I'd call $1800 budget friendly though they might be value for money for all I know.
It’s kind of a toss up. Budget friendly for Dynaudio. But yeah, I hear you.
I still want my MTV... That copy of Dire Straits better be home when I get there this afternoon... Algorithm!!!
Good speakers for the $$$ (for nothin' and your chicks for free...)
Do the walk of life.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yes! I ordered the CD over a week ago. I don't know if the shipping canoe sank, the bicycle broke down, the balloon hit power cables, or what. 🤣🤣
lots of these design mirroring the elacs from a few years back when alex jones was doing the design.. 2.5 way with a narrow baffle and small drivers... not sure why they crossed to the tweeter so high on these. tear it down and find a cheap x-over
Well, to be fair, this is a typical design. Andrew Jones didn’t invent this.
@@ErinsAudioCorner no of course not but it seems to me the first elacs small floorstanders made quite an impression in the industry. i had the dfr 52's and i see so many now that look nearly identical.
Hi. Just want to point out that the Emit 30, and it's bigger brother Evoke 30, is essentially from a lineage that goes back to the Excite X32, which we launched in 2008.
In terms of the crossover point, note that the tweeter crossover is essentially a 1st order, so it contributes more to the output than the number may imply. Since Erin doesn't normally do near-field measurements of the driver, this isn't really obvious from this review.
/Otto, Dynaudio Academy
@ good to know
"Budget friendly"... 🤔
About what I expected from Dynaudio. Eh, I think I'd rather go with the Heco Aurora 1000 and save $500.
Erin I don't think you are telling the whole story. Every recording you play has an EQ adjustment applied to it. So every recording needs a different EQ. There is no one size fits all frequency response for a speaker. A flat response speaker will sound too harsh if there are peaks in the recording. It can sound too dull if there are dips in the recording. You also have an EQ don't you, so why does it even matter what the response is? I'm sure any audiophile that is buying hi fi speakers can afford a cheap EQ. That will solve all this nonsense about how flat the speaker is once and for all.
Watch this video about speakers, room and sound. Which was filmed at an audio engineering college.
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I don't get why you always have to define your seating terminology. I never hear other reviewers use your wording. Why not just say straight ahead, toed in or toed out? It would seem so much easier and wouldn't require us to reprogram our minds. The terminology should be just like an alignment of a car.
Because it seems like many people define it differently and I have people ask me often if I don’t tell them. It takes 10 seconds to mention it upfront and saves me much more time on the backend.
This video is free valuable information. Let’s not worry !
I think what Erin meant to say is that people "define" these terms differently (not "to find"), and that's true. Some reviewers mean "pointing at your ears" when they say "straight" and "toe in" means criss-crossing over each other. The car alignment analogy doesn't work when there's no agreement on what constitutes "straight."
yes, thanks for catching that. Voice to text doesn’t like my accent. 😂
Edited.
@@michaelblumfield3933 I find this hilarious! If you ask 100 people what straight is in context of direction, I am sure most of them will give you the same answer. I think humanity has good understanding of the word straight 😂. My comment is just for fun and giggles, I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that your comment is quite up there!
I can't wait to own some dynaudio speakers😊
Am I missing something? Where is the review of your reference Audio First Fidelia DIY project?
I would just like to take a moment to thank my Momma for giving birth to me, and my pops for raising me right. God bless all of you. 🫶🏻🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️❤️
high??
It’s nice to see the data on those speakers, if that bump was lower it would be good, i find their response even more linear than the special forty, i’m not sure why they designed the special forty with such a forward bump …
Cool to see it’s designed well enough to where it can be eq’d if needed !
On another note i’m eager to see the comparison between the ps audio et radiance you talked about in another post.