Excellent, Dr Brown. This is the clearest thing in scripture, in my opinion. Coming from a Southern Baptist background where I actually DEFENDED OSAS, I now see it for what it is. The entire Bible, especially the New Testament is plain. There are many, many warnings given TO CHRISTIANS about this very thing. John 15, Hebrews 3, Romans 11. If not, why was the failure of the children of Israel to enter the Promised Land (first generation died in the wilderness due to disobedience), given as a WARNING to CHRISTIANS? What would be the purpose of the warning if we could not fail to enter the rest promised to us by disobedience. Good vid, Dr Brown! Now do one about "King James Only" . . . :-)
Divide the word CORRECTLY (context, clear understanding, right Spirit). That passage [in Hebrews] was writen TO saved Jews- yes, Christians-ABOUT UNSAVED JEWS. Paul was admonishing the saved Jews to not tire in preaching the Gospel, ensuring that they all [the unsaved Jews] came to believe and not remain lost [aka "enter His Rest"]! Smh.
Well brother Reggie, those warnings to CHRISTIANS are very necessary and required because true Christian MUST persevere in the faith to ensure their salvation and MUST receive those warnings and exhortations as a MEANS to actually DO that. This doesn't automatically mean we can lose our salvation though. The true Christian obeys those warnings by grace and the Spirit. There are false professors and covenant breakers that we find in Hebrews 3 and Heb. 10:29 etc. We must keep covenant with God until the end.
@@ETHANGELIST If we can understand that God knows or rather declares the end from the beginning, why would God bless someone with the Holy Spirit of promise as an earnest for salvation and later down the road take Him away? For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (irrevocable). The names of the people who are saved are written in the book of Life before the foundation of the world. Jesus said all that the Father giveth Him will come to Him and no one can pluck them out of His hand. There are much more verses that reinforce this idea than the ones that are against. Jesus said that He will leave the 99 sheep in search for the 1 sheep that is astray, no stones unturned. Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Now what I do not agree with the OSAS believers is in the manner they think they are saved. We are not saved in our sins but from our sins. This would be a false assurance. For you to have been sealed with the Holy Spirit you must have the Holy Spirit, and if you truly have the Holy Spirit, then you must bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit. This is expounded in no uncertain terms in 1 John, Titus, Romans. We are given the Spirit to walk in righteousness to fulfill our destiny for by ourselves we can do nothing...salvation comes from Jesus within us. God bless you.
@Hadassah Salvation is never lost. Rewards are. How is it you accuse Baptist of hidden sins , or this sin & that? You seem to believe in any kind of doctrine but the real truth. How can Jesus say to a SAVED person , I never knew you? That alone is a contradiction. Look here, The first thing God does is seal the believer WITH the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long does the Holy Spirit stay with the believer? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. God seals the believer to the day he redeems them. NOTHING can break the seal or remove it. NOWHERE in scriptures does it say God will remove the Holy Spirit before the time God decides to redeem the believer.If you think OSAS is false, YOU are trusting in yourself to remain saved. NOT the cross of Christ.
Dr. Brown is 100% correct. I don't know how you can read the Bible, and draw the conclusion that once you're saved, you're somehow ALWAYS saved. That is NOT what the Bible teaches! The ONLY way to come to that conclusion, is by twisting the word of God, and reading your own beliefs into the text (that's called eisegesis). Every time being saved is mentioned in Scripture, it is OBVIOUSLY in present tense, NOT past tense! This is why Jesus said "If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross DAILY, and follow me." (Luke 9:23). Romans 8:1 boldly states: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. As the apostle Paul was dying he wrote: I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH" (2 Timothy 4:7). Furthermore, Demas was listed as a Christian brother in the ministry in both Colossians and Philemon, but in his second letter to Timothy, Paul said that Demas has forsaken him, because he loves this present world. James 4:4 makes it clear that being a friend of the world, makes you an enemy of God. Let's not forget that Jesus's parable of the sower is told in 3 of the 4 gospels. Remember that the seed that fell among the thorns took root, and grew up, only to eventually be choked out by the thorns? The thorns represent the cares and pleasures of this world. Jesus also told the parable of the 10 virgins (which represent believers), 5 of which were not prepared and hence, left behind and told I don't know you. Jesus said that this is how it will be on the day of the return of the son of man (see Matthew 25). Moreover, Jesus also said "Every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit he (God the Father/the gardener v.1) taketh away" Jesus continued in verse 6 by saying "If a man ABIDE NOT IN ME, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned" (see the 15th chapter of John). Hebrews 6:4-6 goes hand-in-hand with the Scripture Dr. Brown mentioned. It says that it's IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened and had the Holy Spirit to be renewed again to repentance, if they fall away. Nobody can fool God into giving them the Holy Spirit! He knows whether or not you are truly sincere in your heart. Why would he give someone the Holy Spirit if they are not sincere in their faith? HE WOULDN'T. Over and over again, the Bible makes it clear that you must ABIDE in Christ/the faith! The word translated as "abide" comes from the Greek word "meno" which LITERALLY means "to remain" OR "not to depart" OR "to continue to be". For those of you wondering what the old testament says about this topic; wonder no further! Ezekiel says that an wicked man CAN become righteous, and a righteous man CAN become wicked (see chapter 18 starting in verse 20). Jeremiah 3 describes Israel as an adulterous wife, and in verse 21 he says that "they have perverted their way, and THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LORD THEIR GOD". Psalm 119:9 rhetorically asks, how can a young man keep his way pure. Answer: by living according to God's word. I could go on, but I think the point is well made by now. Scripture is CLEAR that we MUST ABIDE in the Lord/faith to remain in Him. Salvation is ALWAYS referred to in PRESENT TENSE form. "Once saved - always saved" is NOT biblical. Therefore, all Bible-believing Christians must REJECT IT, as the false doctrine/teaching that it is! 🙂
Once saved, always saved. It’s that simple. What Jesus did on the cross was enough. We don’t need to work for our salvation, we need to receive it. We are sealed once we receive the holy spirit by being born again.
Exactly! But onces saved, we need to keep our faith. I'm not referring to works, but to faith. Faith in Christ is what saves us. If we have no nore faith, meaning we don't believe in Christ anymore, we are abandoning our salvation. 1 Peter 1:8-9 "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." God bless.
When will the body of Christ be in unity? The false teachings must go. It’s normal to lack faith at times. When this happens we need to ask God to strengthen our faith. He is faithful! Amen 🙏
@@rebeccaf8598 Completely agree when you say. "It’s normal to lack faith at times." That's when we say things like "God, where are you? Just when I need you the most." That's not the faith we are discussing in this video. We are talking about salvific faith. There have been brethren who sadly have renounced their faith in Christ, renounced Christianity altogether, saying things like "I was wrong in believing on Jesus", "I'm not a christian anymore." "The Bible is only a book of fantasy." etc. God bless.
@@rebeccaf8598- But we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, we are told that only those who endure to the end will be saved. So, we don’t work to obtain it, but we DO work to maintain it.
@@theshockoftruth8222 how do I work to maintain it? Earnest question, I am in a season of deep doubt and struggle with my faith. Am I unsaved? How could I love the Lord enough and have enough works?
Romans 10:9............For if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your Heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
Believe in your heart and confess, both of these things can be done today and not tomorrow. For example, I used to believe there wasn't a God, but I have changed by belief. Likewise, someone could do the opposite
To say a believer can be lost is to call Jesus a liar, and believe Jesus died in vain. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Present tense. John 1:12 First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE TEMPORARTY LIFE. NO, IT IS ETERNAL LIFE. If you have ever believed you are saved forever. If you have never believed, you are not saved. John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already. What if we never believe it again after we have believed it? Second Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, He abideth faithful, He can not deny Himself. The Holy Spirit who lives in all believers and who will never leave us or forsake us. Hebrews13:5. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. To say a believer can be lost is to say Jesus died in vain. it is to say what He did is not good enough and we have to do something more than just believe to be saved. It means we are not saved by faith alone, but we must keep believing it to stay saved. Works. Not grace. Romans 11:6 Can you boast in your perseverance? No. because we are saved and we do not persevere to get something we already have. Unless you have never believed. Most false teachers are preaching a false gospel of works instead of grace. Romans 11:6 Matthew 7:21-23. They have never done the will of His Father. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that all that seeth the Son, and believteth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. Salvation by works never works. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, (bad news for us sinners), but the GIFT of God is eternal Life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. OSAS GOOD NEWS.
Five had the oil in their lamps. The Holy Spirit of promise. Five did not because they never believed the gospel and did not have the Holly Spirit in them. The oil is a type of the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4:30 Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life.
It is to believe the gospel. First Corinthians 15:3-4. When we believe that gospel we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Eternal life is a free gift from God to all who just believe on His name. John 1:12 Romans 1:16. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 6:47 John 5:40. John 6:29. John 3:18. Once we become a child of God, we are a child of God forever. If we go off and live in sin, He will chasten us as children. And if we do right, He will reward us here and in heaven. First Corinthians 3:11-21 But, God can not go back on His word. John 3:16. God can not lie. But it has to be faith in Jesus alone apart from any thing else. Nothing else can save us except what He did for us plus nothing. Romans 4:5-8 Ephesians 2:8-9. Romans 3:26-28. No one can boast in free. Romans 11:6. I hope this grows your faith.
No one can ever lose their salvation. How could we lose that which wasn't ours to give in the first place? If we're not saved by good works, than how can we be lost by bad works? We cannot. In John 6:37 Jesus plainly stated... "He that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." That is a promise from God.
So it's ok for people to do what they want? They can kill, commit adultery, rape... And it's all ok becaus they accepted Jesus Christ as their savior? I don't think that's how it works.
@@stephanierenee20Does your bible say it is ok to do all that? Just because OSAS is true, does it mean I can just live as I want? Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Stephanie Renee wrong. Says He will never cast you out....if you come to him. Doesn’t say he won’t let you leave. That’s not casting you out. Your not losing your salvation because of sin, you’re forfeiting by knowingly denying Christ
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV, Jesus Christ is the only way
It should scare you, if salvation is up to us we can easily loose it. Exactly, put your trust in His keeping power Dr. Brown, a regenerate heart by God cannot walk away from God. You can't unregenerate your heart. How can you have peace with God if you can loose your salvation? I have comfort that I have assurance not in myself but in God to keep me. I can't loose it because salvation is not up to me. Simple question, is God all powerful? Then he can't loose those who are His.
What do you make of Jesus' warnings to the churches in Revelations? Were all those churches not real believers? Why did Jesus warn them about leave Him and His words ? If you say is "impossible"
There's no evidence in Scripture that Judas was ever a true believer or "saved." Jesus calls him a "devil" in John 6:70 and he's called the "son of perdition" in John 17:12; meaning someone destined or appointed for destruction. How could he be saved and then unsaved? It was prophesied that he would betray Jesus!
Biblical Christianity He did not say you can lose your salvation he said you have the freedom to change your mind and walk away from it after receiving it. Big difference.
@@FaithandActiondotnet How do you come up with that when you been bought & paid for? 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Dr. Brown-Right on as usual. When I have a scriptural question, I go to Dr. Brown’s site. After years of watching him, I trust him for the truthful answer.
how I have heard it explained to me, is that if a person at one time recieved Christ as their Savior, and there was a legitimate change in their life, they turned from their wicked way, served the Lord, and gave Him their all, and suddenly one day turn their back on God, forsake all He has given them, and forsake all He wants to give them, the Lord will chasen/chastise them, because, "whom the Lord loves, he chasens". If that person still does not listen, and take the hint, the Lord has, can, and will take more drastic measures up to and even including, calling that unfaithful servant home. I have also heard it said that if someone proclaims that they are saved, yet there comes no change, they were never saved in the first place; there was never any repentance to begin with. I choose to believe this because it coincides with how the Lord has worked with many of His servants in the past. Ultimately, we should be worrying about ourselves, and not the salvation of others. It's like bro Brown said, if you are saved, and you know it, then you have nothing to worry about. God's salvation. is eternal for those who accept it once and for all, if you disobey your Father, it simply will not go well for you. If you disobey, and nothing happens, then is when you should worry.
Thank you Dr. Brown for being open and honest about your perspective on this. I guess a lot of people have been wondering what you believed. The consistent Arminian indeed has to believe that one can lose/forfeit their salvation. For how can one have the "freewill" to be saved but have no freewill to be unsaved? I agree that someone can forfeit their soul and fall from grace and a Christian can be cut off. Perhaps I'm a little more open than the typical Calvinist. But eternal life means eternal life {e.g. John 6:47). But I would love to dig in more into the passage you gave.
The Word of God teaches that once a lost sinner is saved, they're always saved... "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise ... And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30).
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Ezekiel 18 clearly states that ones who were saved can fall away at the end. I believe that Dr Brown is correct here. If salvation is obtained through faith then it can be lost by renouncing faith. Even Jesus explains this in the parable of the sower.
Very well said sir. There is further proof that Christians who are in the book of Life can be removed from it. Look at Revelations 3:5 and also Exodus 32:32 where Moses offers to have God remove his name from the book of Life if God will only forgive the people for their rebellion. God's reply to Moses is that He will blot out those who wilfully sin against Him. The point is that you can't blot out something that was never there to begin with. So YES, people who are saved can willingly forfeit their salvation.
The reason it’s once saved always saved is because it’s by birth not by merit. A person cannot unborn himself in the flesh as such a person can’t unborn himself in spirit.
@Sha' an No they cannot. 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
That's sounds nice but what verse are you using for that? Many verses talk about virgins lamps without oil, names being blotted out, and those who draw back to perdition. If someones name was blotted out that means they were born again and then they fell away from the Lord. You can not erase something that was never there in the first place
@@saveallnationstomgustafson572 😂 Everyone ever born has their name written in the Lambs book of life, when you die without Christ your name is blotted out. Nothing to do with loss of salvation at all. Please try again!
Salvation is a gift once excepted by a person cannot be lost just because they may have fallen away. We all sin and we may suffer as a Christian as a consequence but we cannot loss our salvation.
@@treyway9001 For all have sin and fall short of the the glory of God. but if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I agree 100% we can choose to leave God. But we can never loose our salvation. We may even wander we only lose it if we chose to turn our backs on God and what Jesus did on the Cross. I believe that Rom 10:9 does apply here, Think about it. How are we saved. By confessing and believing. So if you stop believing or confessing or then it goes to reason you aren't saved.
“Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.” Romans 11:22
I enjoy your teachings Dr Brown, I have gotten some good insight from you. I do believe there is error in this teaching though. If our unrighteous behavior by turning from God can cause one to forfeit and loose their salvation, then that would assume that their righteous deeds of walking with and in obedience with Him is the sustaining power of their salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. I believe that those that are truly saved and yet struggle with the scriptures on assurance is because of the misunderstanding of faith. It's not, I have faith in Jesus therefore I'm saved, it is, I have the faith (of) Jesus abiding in me through the person of the the Holy Spirit therefore I'm saved. I know His faith cannot and will not let me go.
Daniel Joseph Phil 2:12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
@@tommy.1002 :Exactly Tommy!."Work out" is a way of saying "concern yourself on your own salvation" (salvation is an individual thing) with fear (in GOD) and trembling (respect).Is so sad that most Christians don't know how to interpret the bible!.Salvation must be interpreted based on what is written in Romans 10:8-11.That is the model that Paul gave, salvation by grace though faith, that all other verses where salvation is mentioned are to be interpreted by!.
Revelations 3:11-12 says 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Dr. Brown is teaching false doctrine. Nothing we do after we are saved determines our eternal home. Otherwise the bible is rubbish and Jesus is a liar.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." (1 John 2:19)
Brandon Root I did, and it’s clearly referring to a group of people who once identified with the Christian community. But have defected and have exposed themselves as antichrists. However, I agree with you that defection does not mean that someone is unsaved. Rather, they forfeit a crown, or reward. This is clearly the case when one uses proper exegesis with 2 Timothy 4:7-8. “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day-and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.” Paul isn’t concerned with the loss of salvation. Rather, he has his eyes on the crown of righteousness.
Dr. Brown, I so appreciate your ability to put all the relevant scriptures together and present a clear picture on issues like this! Thank you and please keep doing what you're doing!
Kim... what I was getting to is that Paul's message to the churches was to teach, exhort, caution, reprimand... for the purpose that our past brethren(and you could say future as well) would keep themselves in a holy manner. There is security when we keep ourselves in Christ... not just by sayings, but by doing his will. 'OSAS' is a very dangerous concept that I believe comes from the enemy to deceive and keep those that say are in Christ but that their works may say otherwise, with a false confidence. 1 Peter 5 says "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" God help us all. May we always humble ourselves to Him, seeking His guidance. The flesh is flawed and weak; which is why we constantly need God. We thank Him for sending the comforter who is always with those that serve him in truth. God Bless You
@@Jb3215 I know the apostle Paul's epistles but you ask a question that demands hours of typing and explaining. I dont give bible lessons in comment sections, but I do share with people seeking the truth in regards to being saved. I was saved almost 30 years ago, and have applied myself to the bible everyday seeking, asking, learning truth by the Holy Spirit. I am no longer under men's false interpretation of the bible or false doctrine blocking the path to heaven. At the moment we are saved, we are sealed with the imperishable seed of the Holy Spirit ( 1 Peter 1) which is our reservation. Once saved, once sealed, it can never be undone. many scriptures provide insight but I will give you a few. I am truly blessed by the Father. Its highly offensive to hear people say this blessing from the Father is from the devil. May God give you a heart and desire to seek and find truth.. Read Jeremiah 33:3 if you follow its instructions, it will change your life forever. John 3:14-18 John 6: 35-40 John 10: 25-30 1 John 3:8-9 is the key to bringing all salvation scriptures, willful sinning scriptures in Hebrews , into the light of His wisdom.
@@kimwestwood8840 I'm not here to offend anybody. So I apologize if you were offended by my response but I am in no way saying God's promise of salvation is from the Devil. Jesus Christ is faithful and true. His word is eternal, never changing. The interpretation and how we may perceive scripture is what can cause someone to have a false confidence. Satan himself used the word to tempt Jesus as he fasted. But just think if we as Christians are forever saved once we believe... why do we have trials and tribulations? Why does God try us? Why do we go through temptation? Why do we suffer? Its to test our faith. To see if we are faithful: remaining loyal. To see if we are worthy of his calling (ephesians 4:1). God call's for obedience to his word. It shouldn't be offensive to say we should be faithful to God. It's what he wants and so that's what we as Christians should strive for. That same chapter you referenced 1 Peter 1... goes on to say 14 As OBEDIENT children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. Holiness is the quality or state of being holy. Holy is exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness. Hebrews 12:14 says follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: You see, We cannot have two masters. A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vice versa. Is Jesus really our Lord if we continue to sin while saying we are of him? Jesus says in Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Paul said to the philippians 2: 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Why? because we ought to treasure and care for what God has given us. So precious and valuable it cost the blood of his only begotten Son who died to take away our sin and of the world. Jesus warned against this type of mindset in Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Don't be deceived into thinking you cannot lose it. If you have something of great value you would care for it more knowing it can be lost than knowing it can never be lost. If you've accepted Christ... Praise God. What I'm saying is take care of the precious gift he has granted you by staying holy, pure, In Jesus Christ. Rev 3:11 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. God bless you.
Here are verses that tell us a person can be unsaved(Forfeited Salvation): If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. -John 15:6 "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" -Hebrews 10:26 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:29 (insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself) "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they gall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame" - Hebrews 6:4-6 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. -Ezekiel 18:24 Here is a passage that say it happened already to some. "Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again" -Romans 11:20-23 Here is a passage that say it will happen in the end times. "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
Erika Nearpass I am not Dr Brown, but I can honestly tell you as a Pastor, that "YES" there is hope for them! Keep praying and lifting them up in prayer.
God does give a new heart and his Holy Spirit... but it's still up to us to maintain that new heart pure. First and foremost with the help of the Holy Spirit we also have to be determined. 1 peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:... meaning we continue in the flesh which we must continue to fight against it. Jesus said in Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 1 peter 4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? ... it is with difficulty one is saved. Jesus said But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. We must keep faithful. God bless
@@Jb3215 Try reading Ezekiel 36:25-27; John 6: John 17; 2 Peter 1:3-10; 1 Cor 3; Jude; Galatians 3-5 and Romans 5-8 Chapters. Once you understand the Gospel you will understand what I meant by my statement and what I was referring to in the video. Tip: Always seek clarification before making statements based on what you think a person means. That's why my initial response was a question.
I love u Dr.brown. I feel like there is a very strong biblical argument for “one saved always saved”, part of me agrees with you about forfeiting your salvation, I wrote a paper on this issue for bible college and came to the same conclusion as you doc, but Romans 8:31-39 says NOTHING can separate us from the love of the Lord, so I am not for certain that’s for sure
You can be certain sir,for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth..sure we must stick with the scripture..it says nothing can separate us from the love of God..we must than of seriousness begin to considered what is this love of God,what are scriptural indicators that reveal this love,not to be long..if a man love me He will keep my commandments (John 14:21).. this love of God is that which in the first place drives man from all appearances of evil...
strongyang Exactly, regardless of what word or words they use, if a person backslide and die in that unrepentant state his soul will be lost. And you can't remain saved and continue living in sin.
@@aarythompson-robinson6694 :Exactly, you can not claim salvation by grace though faith and live like a carnal worldly person!.Jesus warns us of such people, "You shall know them by THEIR FRUITS". I judge if some one is in Christ not by his claim of faith but by the type of fruits he produces.A faith that leads to eternal life produces good works but a faith that is dead DOES NOT PRODUCE ANY GOOD WORKS AT ALL.Two of my favorite Biblical writers are Paul and James, those guys did not hold any punches, they always went straight to the point!.
@Tomcloud :To continue in faith is to OBEY Jehovah God and do His will!. Ephesians 2:10 reveals that we have been "created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do".We must do the works that God had prepared for us to do, TO LOVE GOD is to OBEY GOD!. You can not LOVE God and yet live a life contrary to the LIFE that God demands from you to live. Salvation is by grace through faith only, yet OBEDIENCE is a requirement just like it is to the Angels that they MUST OBEY and summit to God's AUTHORITY.That is if they want to reign and live with Jehovah God for all eternity if NOT God will kick them out of His heaven just like He did with Satan!!!!. Without FAITH is IMPOSSIBLE to please God and if you claim to love God you MUST OBEY and SUMMIT to Jehovah God just like the Angels of God do!. Both are essential , FAITH = RIGHTIOUSNESS and TO LOVE GOD=OBEDIENCE. When Jesus asked Peter if Peter loved Jesus the LORD did not mention the lack of faith or not lack thereof of Peter.Jesus told Peter to take CARE (obedience) of Jesus flock!.Jesus asked obedience and Peter OBEYED and took care of the Church. Abraham, he believed God and was accounted as rightiousness but Abraham also was willing (OBEDIENT) to sacrifice Isaac to GOD!. What would have happened if Abraham believed God and yet refused to OBEY God and not sacrifice Isaac?. Abraham's OBEDIENCE was exactly what showed that Abraham ACTUALLY TRUSTED and had faith in God's promise and word!. Abraham TRUSTED God (God's promise to Abraham that from Abraham's seed the world would be blessed) and was OBEDIENT by putting it into action by raising the knife to kill Isaac!.What would happen if WE as new born Christians claim to have faith in God and yet live a life of DESOBEDIENCE to Jehovah God?.You answer that question yourself. That is why liberal Christians praise God's love and grace so much and yet are phobic/deffensive of the mere mention of the words OBEDIENCE, SUMMISSION and HOLYNESS!.
@@Orange6921 :Dear brother in Christ, I still follow Jesus Christ rule of thumb "you shall know them by their fruits", not by their claims!. For example, a saved BORN again Christian and a non christian live a life of sin comming the same type of sins (SAME TYPE OF FRUITS) .How is a sinner to judge and tell them apart if they behave the same exact way and there is no fruits in their lives?. If it would be like that then lets preach for sinners to believe in the Gospel and be saved and tell them to keep living as before because it wont affect their salvation!. To come to Christ is to come from darkness (sinful depraved life) to light (free from bondage and born again of the spirit), how can we be in the light and yet behave like there is darkness in us!!!. A fountain can not give 2 kind of water, I agree with Christ 100% in that a born again Christian MUST produce GOOD fruits because he IS planted IN Christ.Otherwise what is the point in comming to Christ for forgiveness of sin if your life is NOT transformed by the Holy Spirit. Agreed, we do have struggles with the flesh.Those struggles are won if we live a life of studying the Bible, prayer and fasting (WHICH MOST CHURCHES today don't practice) and communion with Jehovah God. Most churches are more concern in making people feel good about themselves singing and preaching on wealth!.How many services have you seen in youtube where prayer and fasting for the Lord is practiced and taught?, barely any. How did Jesus and the apostles won their battles with the flesh and Satan?, THROUGH CONSTANT PRAYER!.
@Tomcloud . . the only people who go to hell are the unregenerate; those who have never received the Holy Spirit, because they remain dead in their trespasses and sins, Eph. 2.1. When they die they will be separated from God because they failed to receive forgiveness of their sins. And the only way for one to receive forgiveness of sins is for them to have believed the Gospel, 1 Cor. 15.3-4. This is synonymous to believing on the Lord Jesus Christ Acts 16.31. When an unregenerate person believes the Gospel message in their heart, Rom 10.10a, that person is immediately regenerated (born-again) and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption, Eph. 4.30. Peace and blessings!
@@VictorFelipe82 thank you for your concern but sir you have to provide scripture with that. I believe as it says, Philippians 1:6 the one who starts a good work will finish it John 10:28 no one can snatch you out of the fathers hand Ephesians 4:30 you are sealed with the Holy Spirit on and on and on. Just because scripture tells us to persevere doesn’t mean we take the clear scriptures and throw them away. If God dose the work, he will bring you the whole way. No if’s ands or buts. If you “fall away” you never had the Holy Spirit in the first place says John in 1 john 2:19. You can’t fall away if you were never saved.
@@saved6655 Thanks for the reply, brother. Now we are talking. Great you are finally bringing forward scriptures because "If you walk away you were never reborn" wasn't good enough.
The verses you've provided do refer to eternal security, no question about it. Eternal life is the promise for those believers who are firm in their faith in Christ. The instrument of our salvation is our faith in Jesus Christ. So if no more faith, no more salvation. Dear brother, you mentioned there's "no ifs" when it comes to salvation; clearly you have not read all scriptures, then. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, "Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain." 2 Timothy 2:12, "If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us."
Hebrews 2:1-4, "Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?" 2 Peter 2:20-22, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”” 1 John 2:24-25, “Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us-eternal life.” I see quite a few “ifs” in the verses above. There are a lot more, of course. It's not about persevering and enduring in works how we keep our salvation, as some may argue. It's about persevering and enduring in faith in Christ. It's through our faith in Jesus Christ that we were saved in the first place. So if someone abandons their faith, they are abandoning their salvation. Again, it's not by sinning or the lack of works why someone loses their salvation; it's their abandoning the faith that they once had in Messiah, apostatizing, which leads them out of salvation. God bless.
So you’re trusting in your works in order to maintain your salvation? 2nd Peter is talking about being punished on this earth, doesn’t say anything about going to hell.
"You say, 'well that scares me.' Why should it scare you?" What's wrong with having a healthy fear about how you are going to spend eternity? When I was a kid, if I did something wrong and got punished for it, fear of being punished again kept me from doing that thing. There's nothing wrong with fear, but that doesn't mean you live your life by it. No one is worthy of Heaven, Christ paid for our sins. We have to trust that and trust that if we are genuinely repentant we will be forgiven. But fear of Hell is something we should all have. If you don't, you may want to rethink your position. "For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." ― James 2: 26
How do you know the people referred to in 2 Peter 2:20-22 were saved at all to begin with? Could they not correspond to seeds that landed on one of the three bad soils ? 2:22
If you could lose your salvation, you'd have to repent every minute because you are constantly sinning in your heart and mind. We are bound to sin. If you could lose your salvation you'd constantly have to repent every second because you can die at any moment?
Is escaping corruption= going to hell when we die? I am not seeing Dr Brown’s understanding of this passage or how this equals forfeiting justification. Yet always appreciate Dr Browns heart and understanding of scripture in many ways!
This is double talk. It compromises other parts of scripture that say God is the one keeping us saved. For it is God who works in you to will and to work, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Nothing can separate us form the love of God, etc.
Dr. Brown: I generally agree with you and I generally agree with you on this topic, to the point of using *exactly* the analogy you just did: we don't lose our salvation like we lose our car keys. However, I've poured over Jesus's words (the Reason for the Season) and I am now more persuaded that it may be easier to lose one's salvation somewhat more like losing car keys. The thing that concerns me most is the type-3 soil that doesn't apostatize or fall into grievous or predatory sins, it merely gets distracted by the cares of the world and the pride of life. The other thing that concerns me is the verse about the plowman who becomes unworthy of the Kingdom just by turning his head. I would say a lot of nominal western Christianity would fall in the fruitless type-3 category, and I'd even say that there's a significant class of Christians serious enough to go to church or listen to radio or YT and are constantly assured they are saved by faith alone, it's a sacrilege to try to "earn" salvation through obedience, and they can't possibly lose their salvation passively (as I think you're saying.) Not a sermon, just a concern.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Jesus looses no one!
What Dr Brown calls salvation is actually a covenant of Works like the one between God and Adam. A temporal communion that can be altered if the human part forfeits the covenant by sinning, it is still "do this and live" He has made the covenant of grace into a covenant of works, you get in by grace but you stay in by works if you don't fulfill your part the relationship will be lost.
@@catholictruth102 of course there can John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that THOU GAVEST ME HAVE I KEPT, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. ETC Christians are an irrevocable gift from The Father to The Son, hence suggesting OSAS 😎😎
@@rangariraikunedzimwe2780 John 17:12 is speaking of the apostles. He literally says “while I was with them” John 10:29 is speaking of the elect most likely, of which none can be lost. All the elect will be saved, but not all of the saved are elect as they can fall away. Just 5 chapters later Jesus teaches that branches which were in Him can be cut off. John 15:1-2 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.” Those which are cut off are gathered and burned. John 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.”
@@catholictruth102 that proves my point that you can make a strong case for either point of view!👍✔✔ By the way, I agree with you that you can be saved without being elect✔, but The Bible doesn't explicitly say that 😎😎
I do love watching Dr. Brown, but I have to disagree. What I don't get is the last statement. How can we trust in God's keeping power, if we ourselves can forfeit it. Did God let that person go? God moves us to choose Him, otherwise we wouldn't choose Him. If He lets us go, wouldn't we surely fall away? Should we pray for God to never let us go and be in fear that we may not die while His grace was shining upon us? What would be the purpose for God to save us for a season, but then cast us off...unless we are saying God doesn't save, but we are responsible for saving ourselves? I think it is more biblical to pray in thanks that God had mercy and grace on those He draws and thank Him for never letting us go. I can't imagine God saying, "I wish I could've saved that man, but he wouldn't let me" or "If only that person died while he was in belief, but my drawing was not enough to help man to maintain that belief and eventually turned away".
All Business - I disagree with you. For love to exist, you are given a choice. God may have chosen Saul to be King but Saul screw it up. That is why God has that tree of knowledge of good n evil. Why would he plant it there? As I have written earlier A guy can simply lose his salvation simply by denouncing his faith in Jesus and worship Baal.
The person who denounces his faith never had it to begin with. 1 John 2:19 teaches us that. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us"
Yes, the faithfulness is God's. A person who is truly saved, I do not believe can ever really deny Christ. John says as much about those who left They were never "one of us." And since Paul teaches that He who began a good work in us us FAITHFUL to complete it, that tells me that once we are adopted, given life, sealed with the Spirit, then he is faithful to keep us and complete his work in us. That we can be confident about that, confident. HE is faithful. It's his work in us.
Dr.Brown...thank you for the clarity...not sure I would have used an example of a man leaving his wife as an example of lost salvation...marriage now a days to American women is brutal.
Born again means like how Jesus was born of Spirit spotless ... even we are spotless wen we are born again we are washed dipped in his blood and kept inside his blood we can never become unclean again...He cannot deny Himself...
Thats not biblical. If it was then there wouldn't be so many warnings in the New Testament to Christians. If we decide to go back to living according to the flesh, then we wont inherit the Kingdom of God.
What if you think you no longer have Jesus or the Holy Spirit anymore how do you get back or can you ? Ive fallen away badly and im worried im not saved anymore
@Leon Schuring How do I feel real sorrow though I have sorrow in a sense because I dont want to sin against God but the REAL sorrow that makes you repent I dont know how to have it and is a sexual sin :(
@@Goldtaker23 Love God with all your heart mind soul strength and neighbor's perfectly if you want to enter his kingdom by your own credit. People fall short of this daily, Pastors fall short of perfectly Glorifying God and expressing perfectly his worth through there deeds!!!! We cant do it but hes worth it, we cant do it but its the best thing for us, we cant do it but it should always be our goal because he is 'I AM'. Fix your eyes on him the author of your salvation and sin will drop off slowly but surely. Practice fleeing/running from the sexual sins. My hearts soft and aches for the things of God but im a big fat a work in progress, I'm his work in progress. You sound like you don't want to sin this in itself is a work of the Holy spirit! Watch out if your heart becomes hardened and less sensitive, watch out for justifying or minimising sin. Your saved to know and walk with God now, trust his promises and provision. Get stuck into his word to primarily Know him, who he is, what hes like, what hes said, what he will do, what he wants and COMMUNE with that God. Move past this am i saved confusion, into a trusting repentant but imperfect life with and for God.
bottom line to all reformed theologians. you pedistal men like Calvin and Luther. but their theology was partial and didn't go back far enough. they forgot that Israel is the root that holds them. and any theology that isn't rooted in a Jewish understanding of the Bible is lacking and untrustworthy. I really like Dr James White. but I do t fully trust his theology.
DM; John Calvin was an evil man who burned 500 people! Luther was antisemitic! Abuse is not limited to the RC church. Why is it that Churches and religious communities are a hideout for evil people. I sometimes go to a very scriptural evangelical church, who believe in OSAS. Those who go to hell were not saved in the first place! However, does not the Bible preach pre- destination? Please reply to me, can you lose your salvation?
To me, 2 Peter 2:20 PROVES the exact opposite. For one, this entire chapter is about the unsaved, the vile, the depraved. It is not about genuine believers that were born again. The context is all of the various reprobate ways of the unregenerate. Verse 20 says IF they escaped the corruption of the world by a KNOWLEDGE of the Savior it would be worse for them in the end. This does not say they were actually changed and transformed and redeemed-and then returned to depravity. It says they received all that they needed to know. They received the gospel. They received the way of righteousness and possibly started to walk that way. Of course God will show them less mercy on Judgment Day, because they received the fullness of the opportunity of salvation and then rejected it. But it doesn’t say that they were born again and actually belonged to Jesus. The next verse says that they were STILL a DOG. They were STILL a SOW. They may have fully had the opportunity to have “real food” and “get washed” by being cleansed by the Word of Truth but were not changed. Because of their true nature they then returned to their vomit and their mud. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.” These are those that received the gospel (seed) but it never fully takes root. (See parable of the Sower, Luke 8) but those who are born again receive the seed fully and are born again with an imperishable seed. (1 Peter 1:23) Btw, I’m not a Calvinist. You don’t have to be a Calvinist to believe in the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints.
ONLY a saved person can depart from the faith, 1 Tim. 4:1, 16; 5:12; 6:10, 21; 2 Tim. 2:17, 18; 4:3, 4; Heb. 6:4-8; Jam. 5:19, 20 ONLY a believer can stop believing, Luke 8:13; Acts 8:13, 21-23; 1 Tim. 1:18, 19; 6:10, 21; Heb. 10:38 ONLY a saved person is in danger of not remaining in the Lord, John 8:31; 15:4-6; Acts 11:13; 1 John 2:24; 2 John 1:9 ONLY a green branch inserted into the Vine can wither, John 15:6; Rom. 11:20-22 ONLY a spiritually alive/saved person can die spiritually again. (the unsaved are already spiritually dead Eph. 2:1, 5) Rom. 8:11-13; 1 Cor. 8:11; 1 Tim. 5:6; Jam. 1:14-16; 1 John 5:16, 17; Rev. 3:1, 2 ONLY saved persons can stop following God, John 6:66; 10:27; Matt. 10:38; Heb. 3:12-14; 2 Pet. 2:15 ONLY those in grace can fall from grace, 2 Cor. 6:1; Gal. 5:4; Heb. 12:15 ONLY someone who loves the Lord can abandon his love for Him, Matt. 10:37; John 15:10; Rev. 2:4 ONLY a saved person can deny knowing the Lord, Matt. 10:33; 26:34, 35; 2 Tim. 2:12; 2 Pet. 2:1; Jude 1:4 ONLY a saved person can lose his holiness and with it his future inheritance, 1 Cor. 9:27; 10:12; 15:33, 34; 2 Cor. 6:16-18; 7:1; Gal. 6:1, 7, 8; Ph. 3:18, 19; Heb. 12:14-17; 2 Pet. 1:9-11; 3:17 ONLY a saved person is in danger of returning to the sinful ways of the world from where the Lord delivered him, 2 Tim. 4:10; Jam. 4:4; 2 Pet. 2:20-22; 1 John 2:15 ONLY a saved person is in danger of losing his perseverance, Acts 14:22; Rom. 2:6-10; Col. 1:21-23; 1 Tim. 2:15
@3:17 "God has promised to keep us and I put my trust in His keeping power." This seems insistent with the view that one can lose their salvation. God's keeping power won't always keep them (in this view) and therefore doesn't that mean God sometimes does NOT keep His promise?
Dr Brown is correct. Jesus made the same point in John 15:6: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." Did Jesus say "once a branch, always a branch"? No. We have free will. We can, by or own choice, fail to abide in Him and be lost.
@@tommy.1002 The Bible clearly says we Gentiles are grafted into the tree and it says we are branches, and in Romans 11:17-24 it says, "But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree. Israel is the natural branches and we are the wild olive branches grafted into the Olive tree who is Jesus Christ.
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 No, you are incorrect. The church of Christ is NEVER referred to as a tree or a branch. The Church is referred to as a bride. The wild off shoots IS about Jews. It is the other way around, They will be grafted into the church in the future.
@@tommy.1002 Read the whole chapter and you will see you are incorrect. The natural branches are the Jews and the wild olive shoots are the gentiles, even the title of the passage is "Gentiles GRAFTED in." Paul was talking to the church in Rome, that's why the book is called Romans! Romans are Gentiles. Open your eyes brother.
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 OPEN YOURS! LOOK, Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Who is God's People? ISRAEL< Who has the Church? JESUS! ALL scriptures referred to as a branch or TREE IS ISRAEL, The church will not be grafted into Israel, ISRAEL WILL BE GRAFTED INTO THE CHURCH! Hence, LOOK! Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. SEE IT? which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. You have to be really blind NOT to see this is ALL ISRAEL!
Yes I agree with this teaching that we CAN REJECT, WANDER OFF, and WALK AWAY from our SALVATION and PERISH. Matthew 18:12-14 How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, Doth he not leave the 99, and go up into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And (IF) so be that he FIND IT, (CONDITIONAL) verily I say unto you, he rejoices more of that sheep, then of the 99 which went not astray. Even so it is not the WILL of your FATHER which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should PERISH. So here, we see two examples of one being able to WANDER AWAY and REJECT HIS SALVATION and PERISH. We see clearly that it's not the FATHER'S WILL that one of us should PERISH, but he GIVES us a FREE WILL to CHOOSE. Just like the PRODIGAL SON who realized that he needed to get back to his FATHER'S HOUSE, for he was in poverty WITHOUT HIM, so he willingly CHOSE to go back. His FATHER didn't hunt him down and capture him and FORCE him back, but he was waiting with open arm's to recieve him if he CHOSE TO RETURN. So to say that God would FORCE one of us that knew him at one point but then rejected him at some other point to choose to serve SATAN, and PRACTICE a lifestyle of WILLFUL, CONTINUAL, and HABITUALl SIN, would be to say that GOD would FORCE US to LOVE HIM, SERVE HIM, PRACTICE OBIEDIENCE TO HIM, and spend ETERNITY with HIM in HIS KINGDOM. And that would be to go Against and Contradict the very NATURE, CHARACTER, and LOVE that he extends to ALL OF US, which is a FREE WILL to CHOOSE to LOVE and OBEY HIM or to choose to REJECT HIM and DISOBEY HIM. Just look at Adam and Eve, they had a FREE WILL to CHOOSE to DISOBEY GOD or to OBEY GOD, and they CHOSE to LISTEN TO SATAN and CHOSE SEPERATION AND DEATH. GOD DESIRES US to LOVE and OBEY HIM by CHOOSING TO WILLINGLY, NOT BY FORCE. That's why JESUS SAID, those who love me, OBEY ME, and keep my commandments. Those who don't are NOT HIS. HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE AND THEY FOLLOW HIM. And He gives THEM, (HIS SHEEP) ETERNAL LIFE. BUT HE DOESN'T FORCE ANY OF HIS SHEEP TO REMAIN IN HIS SHEEPFOLD WHO NO LONGER CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HIM. Another good example of this DOCTRINE is the parable of the TRUE VINE. (John 15:1-6) (Hebrews 6) (Galatians 5:19-21) And there's Many More to support this DOCTRINE as well, but I'll stop there. But it's simple, If we REJECT what JESUS TAUGHT and DO NOT ABIDE in HIS DOCTRINE then we don't have God PERIOD. WARNING!!!!!! (2 John 1:9) Whosoever TRANSGRESSETH, and abideth NOT in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, hath NOT GOD; whosoever ABIDETH IN the DOCTRINE of CHRIST hath BOTH the FATHER and the SON.
WRONG , 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. till think you can just walk away?
@@tommy.1002 :Correct Tommy, both 1 Corinthians 6:16 and 1 Corinthians 6:20 go hand by hand with Matthew 7:20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” . Ismael 1:1 Show me your fruits and I will tell you what type of faith you have and whom have you believed!.The quote Ismael 1:1 was just kidding, take care and God bless you.
The story of the prodigal son is one of restoration not of justification. He was already saved and only needed to repent and come back into fellowship. The older son is also saved but unless he repents of his hard-hardedness (jealousy) he will lose his reward at the judgment seat.
@@Orange6921 . . even if a believer willfully refuses to obey God's word doesn't mean he or she is unsaved. Once one has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit how it possible for them to become unregenerate? They can't! Doing or not doing has nothing to do with one's justification, but it has major consequences on their sanctifcation.
@@Orange6921. . Look at the carnal believers in Corinth who Paul was preaching to. This is a perfect example of countless of believers in the Church today. If they continue in that state and die they will have loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ. If they repent and confess sins and obey the Word, then they will receive reward at the JSOC.
This is one area that it very hard to clear up an I respect dr brown in almost all areas. He is a great teacher and expositor of the Word god bless him. I agree 100% with him being a non calvanist and got out of that as I did. But scripture does say when we believe we are sealed with the Holy Sprit. so how can we lose our salvation-also it says god will fulfill the work he has done in us when we trust in Chrsist
Bob Free Good points . The problem is scripture harmonizes with itself and if we are not saved forever than we make Jesus out to be a liar and the bible contradicts itself.
Obviously if you lose your "salvation" then you were never saved. Jesus promised those who were given him would have eternal life. Therefore it cannot be lost. If it could be then it's not eternal, or everlasting.
Try reading/studying the Bible for yourself instead of believing these false preachers that say " once saved, always saved " that mess is NOT biblical. Here's two well three for you. MATTHEW 10:22 MARK 13:13 And there's many more that refutes this false doctrine. Eternal or Everlasting is referring to being heaven with Jesus Christ where there will be no more dying. There is no eternal or everlasting life in this present state. It really doesn't matter what word you you use if a person DIE IN THEIR SINS, THEY ARE LOST. FORFEIT, LOSE whatever; hell is hell regardless of what word or words one chooses to use. 😖 MATTHEW 24:13 BUT HE THAT ENDURE THE UNTO THE END, THE SAME SHALL BE SAVED.
If you believe in Jesus then you have EVERLASTING Life, so IF you have EVERLASTING life, then "lose it", then you never even had everlasting life, because everlasting life lasts FOREVER. Lol it's common sense. 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us" This verse is talking about the antichrist and the antichrist spirit in the church, and false converts. Philippians 1:6- "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you WILL perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 4:30) Jude 1:24- "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy" Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation. 1 peter 1:4-5 4 "To an INHERITANCE Incorruptible, and undefiled, and that FADETH NOT AWAY, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" Hebrews 7:25- "Therefore He is able also to save FOREVERRRR those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." Eternal life cannot be temporary, and a born again Christian cannot be unborn again, then born again, then unborn again. Jesus never taught that. Romans 11:29 - "For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance" What does repentance mean? It means a change of mind, so with that being said, we can conclude that this verse is saying that God will not change his mind about his callings and gifts he has given. It's saying God will not change his mind and take back what he has given or called to those who are justified. Do you think God is saying to himself, “Oops, I didn’t expect that to happen.” And then he is reaching for his eraser? "Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray Him." John 6:64. Romans 8:29-30 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS IN YOU, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies a through His Spirit who DWELLS IN YOU" and Hebrews 13:5 says "for he hath said, I will never leave thee nor forsake thee. So the word of God says his spirit lives within us belivers and he will never leave nor forsake us "but you can leave and forsake him" Well not necessarily b/c according to the word of God a true believer wouldn't do such a thing because we are kept by the power of God. you may say something like "if your a christian and decide to murder people everyday and be a child molester and ect, then you lost your salvation" Well first of all, eternal security is not a free license to sin bc 1 john 3:9 says "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God" 1 john is clearly saying that those who are born of God (born again), they will not continue to practice sin or do such things. They will continue to peruse a godly life even though we stumble into sin every day. Does eternal not mean eternal? John 6:39-40 "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have EVERLASTING LIFE: and I WILL raise him up at the last day" when it comes to this salvation thing, Jesus has never taken a L and never lost one person that God's given him. That's what this verse is saying. God is strong enough to save you, and he is strong enough to keep you! God does not break promises. John 10:28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall NEVER PERISH, >>>(NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND)"
@Geocentric bence 1.) - First of all, you didn't give me not even ONE scripture to back up anything that you just said and you misunderstand what God means by everlasting life and everlasting torment. And there is a distinction between eternal and everlasting, but 'eternal' can be used as a synonym for the word everlasting. Yes there was a beginning for us but there is no end, that's common sense. That's what scripture teaches. We had a beginning, but we have no end, we dont just cease to exist, we will continue to exist forever and ever. God on the other hand has no beginning or end, God created ALL things including time, therefore he exists outside of time, there for he's eternal or infinate. Therefore he always has existed. The word "everlasting" means something that 'LASTS' 'forever'. Doesn't mean that there has to be no beginning for something to last forever. Now read this carefully. For something to last forever, does not mean or indicate that there has to be no beginning. God created us, and those who Believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life, which is life that is never ending. Just like one word can have multiple meanings, keep in mind that the new testament was translated from Greek to English. Many words with multiple meanings exist in the English language as well as the Hebrew and Greek language. Technically, almost every word has a multiple meaning. How often do you go into the dictionary to look up a word, and find that only one meaning is listed next to it? Practically never! Many words have slightly varying meanings, or they can be used as different parts of speech. However, we will primarily focus on words that have multiple meanings in a broader sense. God created us, and if we reject the free gift of everlasting life, then we will be tormented day and night, forever and ever. Without any end. Yeah there was a beginning Because God created hell and the lake of fire, but there will be no end. Your limiting God's power is what you are doing and you don't even know it. God can do anything and everything that he wants. The bible calls The Lake Of Fire the second death, not everlasting life, although the torment is everlasting (never ENDING), and you still exist, but you don't have everlasting bliss, you have everlasting damnation and torment, that's the difference. Now God on the other hand had no beginning and has no end, because he is an infinate being. He created all things, including time, therefore he exists outside of time. "Eternal means no beginning or end. There is no word in all of scripture that means eternal or forever" Really? There's no word in all of scripture that means eternal or forever? You contradicted yourself.. You obviously do not know your bible. The bible teaches that God is and infinate being, an eternal being and always has existed. There's your "Eternal or forever" God is eternal; therefore, His purposes for His creation remain everlasting. Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:" Clearly, Matthew 25:41 is saying that the everlasting fire lasts FOREVER. Obviously there had to of been a beginning and God had to of created the lake of fire for it to last forever. Revelation says that they are cast into the lake of fire and they will be tormented day and night FOREVER AND EVER, and will get NO rest. We are created, but just because we had a beginning doesn't mean there will be an end. Your trying to limit God's power, knowledge and ability. God can do all things except for the things that are against his nature like sin. Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" The bible is clear that the lake of fire is called the second death, not the second life. They still exist, but they don't have everlasting life, they have everlasting torment. The bible teaches that everlasting life is everlasting bliss and happiness with no more pain, sorrow or anything. But the lake of fire is the opposite but far worse, beyond our comprehension. Now Jesus himself said "where the worm NEVER dies and the fire is NEVER quinched" Referring to us created beings that reject him. Now, that does not mean that humans had no beginning, it means that we will continue to live on forever and ever, that's common sense. Scripture is very clear that we are created beings, that have an opportunity to have everlasting life, which is life that LASTS forever and ever. What your doing is denying scripture, the word of God is clear that there is everlasting life, which is life that has no end, and everlasting punishment, which is punishment that has no end. The words "forever" and "everlasting," and the phrase "forever and ever" are used throughout scripture as synonyms for the word "eternal" ... Rom.1:16 describes the Godhead as "eternal," here translated from the Greek word "aidios." "Eternal" is an excellent adjective for God. Clearly He has no beginning nor end. For something to last forever is not required for it to have no beginning if that makes sense. 2.) You stated "unless you believe Jonah was in the belly forever? Priest good lasts forever? Animal sacrifice forever?" Dude what is your point here? Your making absolutely no sense. Those were shadows of things to come that were temporary until Christ came to earth to FUFILL the law. Your comparing temporary things with eternal matters. Doesn't make any sense, your point is?? 3.) - you stated "Its unfortunate most translations don't translate it properly. Eternal can only mean one thing, no beginning no end" Actually it can mean 2 different things, "No beginning and no end" OR "a beginning with no end". That's common sense dude 😂😂 John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him will NOT perish but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE" So are you calling Jesus a liar? So for someone to have everlasting and for you to say "that's not what Jesus means by that" then you make God a liar. Everlasting meaning it is never ENDING. It may have had a beginning, but it has no end. That's what the word of God means by "Everlasting", it never says anything about the beginning, but it's indicating that it has no end. 4.) - You stated "is punishment eternal? No beginning? oh really?" 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of truth"
The next verse 2 Peter 2:21 says, "For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy command delivered to them. Notice the verse when It says "after knowing it". It doesn't say, "after accepting it". You can cross reference this verse with Hebrews 6:4-6. Many people taste the gospel and even see it's goodness but they never actually buy it. It's like going wine tasting where you try the wine and see that it's good, you even learn knowledge about the wine and winemaker but never end up buying the bottle.
When Paul speaks about falling away he's not talking about anybody that came you can't have it if you never had it how can I lose something I never had?
2 Peter 2: 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
If you say "God can not force us to stay in his house or family, and we can deny him", this system is no longer in the christian who have the assurance of his salvation, because he doesn't see it that way anymore, he loves God and want to do his will and flee and resist sin, because sin hurt him, because of his new spirit and new heart, and he know he loves Jesus in his heart because of the Spirit in him, and he knows he can rest in Jesus and be secure because when he received Jesus in his heart he agreed he can not maintain the Salvation he received from God, it is why he can rest and not fear to be rejected when he fall, and he knows he don't have a license to sin. But yes, there is a false "OSAS", when you accept Jesus by faith alone....t without first being convinced by the Holy Spirit that we are separated from God because of our sinful nature and that we are good for eternal damnation, and that we need to be redeemed by a Savior, Jesus Christ, because we do not have the price of our redemption to give to God, we receive another "Jesus", another false "holy spirit" that make us friend with the spirit of the world, sin and all seducing spirits. And there are "religious christians" who are so strong that they have managed to maintain salvation by their own power, and who preach a legalistic gospel that saves only those who become like them, elites.
Rev. 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Doesn't sound like once-saved-always-saved to me.
Wow, this losing vs forfeiting is exactly how I have taught it for quite some time. Great job Dr. Brown! There is a fabulous book on this subject. It is no longer in print, however. It is titled Life in the Son by Robert Shank.
@@ohhappyledet Fascinating question. You see, scripture does not address your question as stated. Scripture teachers that if you are not or have never been truly saved, you can't turn from God, because you have ALWAYS been separated from God. From the moment of birth, you have had a sinful nature and are dead toward God, spiritually speaking. It is only a true believer that can turn from God.
@@thereturn2361 If we are not permanently sealed by the Holy Spirit , if we can remove ourselves from the Fathers hand, then the bible is rubbish and Jesus is a liar. This issue was settled for me by the Father after reading Jeremiah 33:3. As you said ALL scripture is harmony. The problem is using scripture out of context. I cannot convince anyone that will never seek the Father for truth. Salvation is not a trial or probationary
@@kimwestwood8840 Kim, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. Soteriology is a complex subject. On the one hand, even a child can understand the gospel unto salvation and yet on the other hand, great scholars have debated it for years. As with any doctrine in scripture, it is important to study the entire body of scriptures applicable to the topic in question. That is why I would caution you about calling the bible rubbish and Jesus a liar based on a single verse from Ephesians. I am not going to tell you that you are wrong or try to "correct" you. I will however present some ideas for you to consider. 1st, I think you will find that salvation is not something accomplished only in the past. Salvation is spoken of in past, present, and future tenses. We have been saved. We are being saved. And we will be saved. I will not provide the scriptures for you. If you genuinely want to confirm this, a simple concordance search will do the trick. 2nd, I wonder if you have truly considered the implications of stating that a saved person is permanently sealed by the Holy Spirit. This would mean a person cannot quench the Spirit. It also means a person cannot fall away from the faith as Hymenaeous and Alexander did by rejecting faith and a good conscience and made shipwreck of their faith. It also means that a person cannot have an evil unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. (Heb 3:12). 3rd, your belief that a person cannot remove themselves from the Father's hand implies that once saved, we no longer have free will. Perhaps you ascribe to Calvinistic teaching. If that is the case, then I would wonder why you bother to post anything on this subject because there is nothing you or anyone else can do to "convince anyone that will never seek the Father for truth." Lastly, I would encourage you to consider the implications of Phil 2:12-13. I have come to believe that these two verses are key to understanding a whole lot of the NT. If you would like to discuss this further, I would be happy to hear from you. God bless
@@thereturn2361 You misunderstand me. I am not at all saying the bible is rubbish or calling Jesus a liar. I have been saved 30 years . I am saying that if someone uses scripture to refute permanent salvation, THEN they are making the bible to be confusing, and contradictory, which it is not. They also do not believe the simplicity of the good news for salvation made clear by Jesus in John 3 , 4 times. If Jesus says something 4 times, apparently we need to believe it. The 2 verses that tie salvation scriptures together are in 1 John 3:8-9. Born again believers cannot sin ( in the blameless spirit of the new man) and the works of the devil are destroyed permanently. If Jesus tells me I am in the Father's hand and nobody can snatch me out, including the devil or myself, then I take Him at His word. Getting saved, being saved is simple. It is man's FALSE DOCTRINE THAT HAS COMPLICATED IT ..Thats all I'm saying
"For God forsakes not those who have been once justified by His grace, unless he be first forsaken by them" Council of Trent. Your view of assurance is Roman Catholic
To add to my comment of four months ago: ••Ephesians 1: 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that YE BELIEVED, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the EARNEST of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. ••Earnest is a term used for the down payment that you put towards a big purchase to show that you are serious about making that purchase. ••The Holy Spirit is our earnest payment securing our salvation. *The only way that this could not apply is if a person made an open public profession of faith in Jesus Christ for ulterior reasons. I do know that belief takes root in the mind and heart. ••Romans 2: 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (KJV)
Here are verses that tell us a person can be unsaved(Forfeited Salvation): If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. -John 15:6 "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" -Hebrews 10:26 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:29 (insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself) "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they gall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame" - Hebrews 6:4-6 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. -Ezekiel 18:24 Here is a passage that say it happened already to some. "Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again" -Romans 11:20-23 Here is a passage that say it will happen in the end times. "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 Not one of your verses posted claim a saved person can be unsealed by God. You posted about NON saved people. you also created a few contradictions with the scriptures YOU posted OUT of context. Rereading your post you clearly know nothing of 2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
@@tommy.1002 Tommy. (Part 1) Jesus said in Matthew "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." Here Jesus says that believers or anyone who got into error was from ignorance of the Scripture. Again in John 10:27-28, what does Jesus mean when He said, "I know them" referring to His sheep? We see in 1 Corinthians 8:3 it says, "If anyone loves God, this one is known by Him." The first thing is in Matthew 10 Jesus said that His sheep hear his voice, that means they listen to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The second thing is in 1 Corinthians 8:3 says if anyone loves God, He knows them. Now in John 14:21 Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves Me." So when Jesus says, "I know them", He's means "they love Me, they keep My Word, the keep My commandments." When we put them all together we get: (John 10:27) My sheep hear My voice, I know them. (1 Corinthians 8:3) If anyone loves God, He is known by Him. (John 14:21) Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves me. (John 10:28) I give them eternal life, they will never perish. Now we see clearly who never perishes, who has eternal life. It's conditional. The person who hears the Word of God, keeps the Word of God, loves God, and follows God. That person will never perish. Now can a person stop hearing God, stop following Him, stop loving Him and stop following Him? The answer is, yes. In John 8:12 Jesus says, "I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." So what;s implied by that is, if we don't follow Him, we don;t have the light of Life. His sheep FOLLOW Him, His sheep HEARS His voice, His sheep are known by Him because they LOVE Him by keeping His Word. They will never perish. So why is it important to know whether they can lose their salvation or not? It's very important because if people are taught they could never lose their salvation, they have no fear of God. And the Bible says that it is by the fear of the Lord that men depart from iniquity. Scripture says, the fear of the Lord is pure, and it endures forever(Psalm 19:9). The Bible says the fear of the Lord is a fountain of life(Proverbs 14:27). Whoever walks in the fear of God will abide in satisfaction, and will not be visited by evil(Proverbs 19:23). So can a person lose their Salvation? "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1 So to depart from the faith, you have to be in the faith. Why would you depart from the faith? Because they're listening to doctrines of demons. Where? In pulpits. The preacher who says that sin can never make you lose your salvation is being a mouthpiece of Satan in the church whether he knows it or not. Yes, Satan will set himself up in the church. "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22 In the line "knowledge of the Lord," the original word used here is the Greek word "Epignosis" which means "experiential knowledge," which means they had a real encounter with the Living Spirit of God. And through that real encounter with the Lord, through faith in Him, they experienced His presence. They escaped the bondage lust and corruption and started walking free from sin with God and then they turned back. This is further shown in verse 22 by the use of the proverb, "A dog return to his own vomit." Now they are in a worse condition and in verse 21 it says that it was better for them to not have been even known the Lord to just turn away from all goodness. It would have been better to never have known Christ and then just end up going to hell. Their damnation will be worse now because they knew the truth and yet turned away. Now this again, I can never stress enough, is very important to understand. The OSAS teaching is dangerous because it makes lazy and complacent Christians and doesn't bring unrepentant sinners to genuine sorrow and contrition. Many young people nowadays, who grew up in church, were touched by the Lord, even prayed to receive Him, but got enticed by lusts of the world, then went away from God. The sad thing is, many parents or Christians are not concerned that their loved ones are on their way to eternal damnation, because they think that they're still saved anyway. We need to know the truth so that this will make us pray for them, and bring them back to the Lord. Let's look at another passage. "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses." -Hebrews 10:26-28 Again we have the same Greek word epignosis used in the line, "knowledge of the truth." And in verse 29 it says, "How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" -Hebrews 10:29 Insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself. This is when people sear their consciences and no longer feel guilty when they do wrong which is an evidence that the Holy Spirit has left that soul, removing His seal. Now notice it says here that the blood of the covenant that sanctified the person, this clearly is a person who was saved and yet turned away. If this passage doesn't convince you that you can lose your salvation after being sanctified by the blood of Jesus, I don't know what will. If you think that this person is not going to hell only chastised or disciplined, open your eyes and read again because this whole passage, from verse 26-29 says this person has no more forgiveness and even has worse punishment awaiting in hell. Now this clearly is saying that the person willfully returned to sinning after being sanctified by the blood of Christ and having knowledge of the truth. The author of Hebrews is saying how much worse punishment are you going to get for treating the blood of Christ with contempt. This however doesn't say that a willful sin cannot be forgiven, only the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. He's not talking about a sin, but a lifestyle of willful sin. All of us have probably sinned after we got saved but if you got sanctified by the blood of Christ and go back to a lifestyle of rebellion and willful sin, only then there would be no sacrifice left for you. The only thing waiting for you is punishment. For sure you can repent, but if you stay in willful sin and rebellion, and you die in your sins, then it is over for you, you don't get saved. This is why people need to know what true repentance is because if you plan to live a sinful lifestyle first then repent at the end, then it is not genuine and you have not been repentant in the first place. **Read the Topic: Repentance Warning and Teaching Colossians 1:28 says, "Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus" The Gospel that Paul preached was full of warnings. We warn and we teach. This is one of those warnings: "Be careful then, dear brothers and sisters. Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God. You must warn each other every day, while it is still “today,” so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God. For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ." -Hebrews 3:12-14 Paul is warning us because we know what can happen when we give place to the world, we begin compromise. We start hanging out with ungodly people and we expose ourselves to ungodliness. The Bible says evil companions corrupt good character, it is important who we hang out with. Paul was talking to his brothers and sisters in Christ, saved Christians, telling them that to warn each other not to be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin, for we have been partakers in Christ IF we remain faithful until the very end. "Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." -2 John 1:8-11 Like Paul, the Apostle John also warns us about not losing what we have worked hard for which means it is possible to lose what you have gained so far because you can't lose what you don't have. If it wasn't possible to lose, the apostle wouldn't have said, "so that you may not lose" which means you may lose it. "He who endures to the end will be saved." -Matthew 10:22
@@tommy.1002 (Part 2) Now we are saved by Grace through faith, and real Saving Faith has ACTION. Saving Faith changes the way we behave(this is true repentance, a new attitude). James 2:17-18 says, "So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by ACTION, is DEAD. But someone will say, 'You have faith and I have deeds.' Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds." In other words what we believe changes how we behave. If what we believe doesn't change the way we behave, we don't really believe it, then if you die of unbelief, we know where that leads. The Bible teaches us that we are saved by Faith and we are judged by our works because our works show what we believe. 2 Corinthians 5:10 says, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his DEEDS in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." Everyone will be rewarded or punished according to the good or bad deeds, which means our works. Jesus said, "Behold, I come at once, and my reward is with me, and I shall give to every person according to his work." In other versions it says "according to his deeds" and others say "according to what he has done." Our works show what we believe and if we don't have works that correspond with what we truly believe in our hearts, we don't truly believe it. John the Baptist said in Matthew 3:8, "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance" KJV "Bear fruit in keeping with repentance" ESV "Produce fruit worthy of repentance" BSB "Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God." NLT "Therefore produce fruit that proves your repentance" NET John was talking to the Pharisees and Sadducees and in verse 9 he said to them, "And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." He said to bring forth fruits. And in the next verse, "every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire" And this was repeated by Jesus in Matthew and in John: "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruit you will recognize them" -Matthew 7:19-20 "If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned." -John 15:6 Again Paul tells us, "Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear." -Philippians 2:12 The next verse we look is Romans 2:4: "Or do you despise the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" So here Paul tells us that we must not despise His kindness, forbearance and long-suffering with us when we are in sin. God is patient and kind because He is not willing that any should perish. God said in Ezekiel 33:11, "I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked." "But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:" -Romans 2:5 In verse 7 he's going to describe what saving faith looks like: "to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life" -Romans 2:7 We see the Scripture cannot contradict itself. When it says we're saved by grace through faith, we indeed are, but that saving faith, when the Holy Spirit comes in us, there's a change in our heart and we're born again, we desire the Lord seeking only righteousness and truth, we hear His voice, we love God and follow Him. Saving faith looks like this. God will give eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seeking for glory, honor and immortality. Now when we look into verses 8 and 9 we see what false faith looks like: "But for those who are SELF-SEEKING and who REJECT the TRUTH and FOLLOW WICKEDNESS, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek" And in verses 10-11 we end with, "but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. Another verse is John 15:5-7 "I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you." Another verse is Romans 11:19-23 "You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." Here Paul is speaking about the Jews who didn't believe so then salvation went to the gentiles. Paul calls the Jews the "natural" branches olive tree, and us Gentiles as "wild" olive shoot. So the natural olive tree is Israel, but because of unbelief, they were broken off, meaning they fell away from God, the the Gospel went to the Gentiles and when they got saved, they were grafted in and became part of the tree. Here we see that if God didn't spare the natural branches, He may not spare us who grafted in either. God shows no favoritism or partiality towards anyone, for He is just and righteous. And in the middle of verse 22 we see it's conditional when we read, "IF you continue to remain in His goodness/kindness, otherwise you will also be cut off." Here Jesus clearly says that if you abide in Him and CONTINUE to abide in Him until the very end of course, and if you don't continue in Him, you will be a branch cut off and thrown into the fire. Likewise if the natural branches do not continue in unbelief, they will be restored. James 5:19-20 "My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, consider this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover over a multitude of sins" This tells us that Christians can wander from the truth, and if they do not repent, their soul will die when they would be cast into eternal fire which is the second death (Revelation 20:14) The last Passage is Ezekiel 18:23-24, "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Would I not prefer he turn from his ways and live? But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, committing the same abominations as the wicked, will he live? None of the righteous acts he did will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness and sin he has committed, he will die" Why would a Gospel preacher teach once saved always saved when throughout the Scriptures it says otherwise? If you take a few verses that when you take them out of context, misinterpret one or two of them, and ignore all the other warnings about losing your salvation, you could make a case for "once saved always saved" that sounds very appealing. Some are sincerely in teaching this but they're deceived. However there are others who are cunning, scheming, and wicked, and their motive evil. These people are wolves in sheep's clothing teaching men's doctrines. "Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming." - Ephesians 4:14 Now how did this winds of doctrine come? How does Once saved Always Saved and other doctrines like there would be no more judgement after the cross, or the law was abolished because Jesus fulfilled it, and many more? The answer is by the trickery of men, in cunning craftiness and deceitful plotting. There are wicked men in pulpits, and everywhere. Some are world-famous, some on the internet, tv, radio, social media, and they have a large following. So we must become people who regularly read and study the Bible for our selves, to feed our souls, and to mature and saturate our lives with God's Holy Spirit through His Word. We are secure when we are following Jesus, and when we stop following Him, we start nervous and uncomfortable, and we should. It's God's gift called conscience, when the Holy Spirit convicts us of our wrong doing, He is telling us that we are straying away and must come back to the straight narrow path. If someone stops following Jesus and feels comfortable, they are in big danger because it seams they have seared their conscience. Our conscience is the sealing of the Holy Spirit, and once you get drunk on false doctrines you become deaf to the voice of the Spirit, and you cut off the only hotline to God. This false doctrines sears our conscience so you can live in sin comfortably and that's a dangerous place to be. Summary So far we have Scripture that tells us we can lose our faith, and thus salvation, these are: John 15:1-6, Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-6, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Ezekiel 18:24, Matthew 7:19-20, John 15:6, 1 John 1:8-11 Romans 2:5, And the passage that tells us it already happened to some in the past: Romans 11:20-23 And the passage that tells us it will happen in the future is: 1 Timothy 4:1
@@tommy.1002 (Pat 3) Refuting OSAS In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is simply saying God saves us because He wants to and not because we do good works, and this is to refute the thinking that we can earn salvation by works(works-based salvation). This doesn't talk about not losing your salvation, just tells us how one gets saved - by grace and mercy of God. Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 1:13 also talks about the sealing of the Holy Spirit upon receiving salvation but it doesn't talk about not losing the sealing or salvation. John 3:16 talks about receiving salvation by believing but doesn't talk about not losing faith or salvation. We can choose to believe now and not believe tomorrow, this is what 1 Timothy 4:1 talks about people losing from the faith. In John 8 John 10:27-28 talks about no one able to snatch the sheep which seems like OSAS but when we go through the Scriptures we get the answer. (John 10:27) My sheep hear My voice, I know them. (1 Corinthians 8:3) If anyone loves God, He is known by Him. (John 14:21) Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves me. (John 10:28) I give them eternal life, they will never perish. And we clearly see that these are those who hears the Word of God, keeps the Word of God, loves God, and follows God are the ones who will not perish. This means those who stop hearing, keeping the Word and following God, and die in their sin, they will perish. Supporting Scriptures: John 8:12, Psalm 19:9, Proverbs 14:27, Proverbs 19:23, Colossians 1:28, Hebrews 3:12-14, Matthew 10:22, James 2:17-18, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Matthew 3:8, Philippians 2:12, James 5:19-20, Ephesians 4:14 A Message of Concern It's possible to take a few isolated verses and ignore all these other verses we talk about here, and quote: John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand." Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." Ephesians 1:13 "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" And when you take these verses and teach a nice package message and is someone who doesn't read and study their Bible, hears this message, you can deceive them into thinking once saved always saved. There are millions who are already deceived. And if you think you can't be deceived, chances are you already are. So if people hear a message with just these verses that show security, they don't understand it, but it will sound good to them. This creates lazy, complacent, Christians who are in error and go into a lifestyle of sin thinking they're eternally saved and can never be lost. This false confidence that people are going to heaven no matter what, is a great deception because of doctrines of demons. Final Words and Encouragement Now this doesn't mean that if you sin after you have accepted Christ and chose to follow His ways, that you lose your salvation. We all stumble and make mistakes because we still are not perfect, however we have a new attitude towards sin, and new desires to go after God. We no longer should want to do willful sin. If your heart is to love God and to follow Jesus, you are secure and God will keep you, but if you depart from the faith, willfully go into sin and rebellion or go back to a sinful lifestyle, you are in grave danger. God doesn't want anyone to perish, even if His children stumble and fall, He's not willing that any should perish. Yes we do stumble from time to time, however it should not be willful sin, we still have our sinful nature and we have our weak moments, but we must remain in faith and persevere until the very end. But we must know that truth that God is not to be trifled with, He doesn't play games, so we must be genuine in our hearts, in our faith, believing in His Word, acting on His Word, and following Him until the end. A Final scripture that encourages us is Hebrews 12:1, "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with patience/endurance/perseverance the race God has set before us." This is the final passage which I did not include in my argument but rather I use as an appeal. Paul is a perfect example of someone who endured till the end, therefore we must follow his example and this is what we want to say ourselves, in 2 Timothy 4:6 he says: "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith." And at the end of this race, this earthly life, The Lord will tell us, "Well done good and faithful servant."
No such thing as dying in sin. ALL sins been already judged at the cross. Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
@@tommy.1002 Some will die in their sins according to the words of Jesus. John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and 👉shall die in your sins:👈 whither I go, ye cannot come. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye 👉shall die in your sins:👈 for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
@@ccookRomans you really ripped these verses out of context. NO ONE WHO IS SAVED will die in sins. Your own post supports my claim! John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. John 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. LOOK CLOSE! that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. See it? NOT saved people! Saved people do NOT die in their sins. They were already judged at the cross.
@@tommy.1002 I agree, I was only responding to what you said. You said, "No such thing as dying in sin". So I simply showed you that there is a such thing as dying in sin.
But isn't doing his will simply believing on christ? as it says somewhere to paraphrase; "this is the will of him that sent me, that all would look to the son and believe on him" etc
For everyone who think *Once Saved Always Saved * to never say it again ; for you'll see hell 100 % .Here is the most powerful example (the whole scripture is support it though): Rev22:12 Behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be. Unless you obey the whole scripture you're denying the WORD of MOST HIGH and the whole scripture . Please brothers and sisters do not listen to false prophets and be obedient and not disobedient . Shalom
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I KNOW that I am saved. But, I still sin often in thought, word, and deed. I thank God for His grace since I am a very flawed person.
1 John 3:4-8 says 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 2:3-6 says 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
So what about Saul in the Old Testament, was he not saved? What about David when he committed adultery what did he “forfeit”? Matthew 7:21-23 is literally speaking against works bc the will of the father is to believe on Christ (John 6:47). 2 Timothy 2:13 says even when we’re faithless he is faithful. Are you saying the blood of Jesus wasn’t enough and that we have to depend on our works? Disappointing
He has to? Who's Dr white ? The Reformed Pope?! He tries to "responde" to everyone and "correct" everyone, but when someone corrects him then he feels betrayed and attacked. He doesn't have to respond, Dr White had schooled Dr James many times in every debate they've had.
To back up this videos teaching... Hebrews 6: 4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and WHO HAVE FALLEN AWAY, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. In simple...people who once new God and were saved but have WILFULLY Chosen now for whatever reason to turn away from God....they will lose the ability to repent. And if you cannot repent you cannot be saved. Salvation was not taken from them, they gave it up when turning away from Christ.
Let it be known that only the regenerate (believer) can repent of their sins. Can an unbeliever repent (turn from his sins) before he believes the Gospel message knowing that he has been forgiven? See Rom. 10:14
2nd Timothy chapter 2 verse 13; "If we are Faithless , He [Jesus] remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself." Many false prophets come out of the Church, having knowledge of the Gospel but end up rejecting it, even after having tasted of the Goodness of the Spirit , they have gone their own way preaching another False Gospel, deceiving Many. It is better for them to have never known the way of Righteousness to begin with. They truly were never Saved.
"If you want to *follow* the Lord, He's promised to keep you [this is with you implying in the video that if you don't follow, He won't keep....]". Alright. Where is this stated or implied by God in the Bible???
@@jefferaimer :As long as you endure to the end!.We can not alter what is already written by Our Lord Jesus Christ himself!.You must remain faithful and do what God demands from you!.We all love to acknowledge what God has accomplished through His grace but we are spiritually lazy when it comes to doing the things that God demands from us!.
I usually agree with you. I'm not a Calvinist. Dr. White is incorrect. I have to disagree here. John 10:28 Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30 Are you insinuating that I after being born again, receiving a new spirit in Christ, being indwelled and sealed by God, the Holy Spirit, have the ability to now remove the Holy Spirit and take back my old spirit of sin nature? I can pluck myself out of God's hand? No one, not even Satan has that ability! God remains faithful even when I am not. My sins, past, present and future are remembered no more. So Jesus is a liar? Nay, I trust in Him and His Word. He bought me. I surrendered to Him. I may backslide into a living hell on Earth, yet I am His, one of the Elect. Romans 6:1 While we should not live according to the flesh and sin, we all do. And yes, is essence grace would increase! IMHO, you and so many seem to lack full faith in the Almighty God. He is all powerful and His blood is more than sufficient. God requires blood for the remission of any and all sins. Jesus did more on the cross than I think most full realize and appreciate. It is so powerful. God is just, but His mercy is unrelenting and He desires that none shall perish. Saved by the free gift of Grace through faith in the finished (perfect) work of the Son.
Amen! I so agree with you on this! Myself as well was raised SB and always believed one could loose there salvation! Now, today I understand that my sins were forgiven when I accepted Christ! Past future AND present! I feel so many don't come to Christ for this reason alone because they feel too Filthy! The time draweth Nigh! Praise God
@Sha' anan no not at all!!...I never said anything about not repenting! I repent constantly because I do sin the flesh as does everyone else, I'm just saying that I won't go to hell because now I understand more now than I did wayyy back. I grew weary back then because after being saved, try as I might, I was always committing a sin rather it be a bad thought, a curse word, being jealous, sexual immorally ( sex outside marriage)...so back then I wasn't taught correctly. If I died and hadn't repented of a sin, I would go to hell! I was raised to believe you could loose your salvation when actually you cannot! Saved by Grace through Faith! ...GRACE + NOTHING. = SALVATION!!..
Here are verses that tell us a person can be unsaved: If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. -John 15:6 "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" -Hebrews 10:26 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:29 (insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself) "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they gall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame" - Hebrews 6:4-6 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. -Ezekiel 18:24 Here is a passage that say it happened already to some. "Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again" -Romans 11:20-23 Here is a passage that say it will happen in the end times. "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
I love most of your teachings Dr Brown, but I have to strongly disagree here. You are contradicting yourself, you can't say that He keeps us, forgives all our sins, will never forsake us and will not turn away any of those that come to Him in faith and then say that if you divorce and remarry then you are lost... that's absurd. I agree that we shouldn't divorce and we should always strive not to sin, but if we sin we have a Savior, a mediator, an intercessor, a High Priest, a propitiation for all our sins, that's why He died so we don't have to. If we turn from Him and renounce our faith completely then we were never of Him, we never truly made a decision for Him, we never truly received Him (and please note that I am NOT a Calvinist, I actually hate Calvinism, I think it's heresy). Also, we can be lost for a little while and He will bring us back through the Holy Spirit who seals us until the day of redemption, but a true believer will never truly (in his heart) deny Him. Peter didn't deny Jesus in his heart, he denied him because of fear and we are not saved by our courage, we are saved only by grace through faith and salvation is a gift from God. If we have to work to maintain it, it was never a gift, to begin with. We work and we follow His teaching because we believe in Him, we love Him and we think that those teachings are good and we desire to follow His commandment (which is to love) but nobody can keep their salvation by not sinning or by doing good works or nobody would be saved because we all still sin despite our best efforts and, again salvation is a gift received by faith alone. Also, if you truly believe in Him and have received the Holy Spirit, you will hate your sin and will strive to avoid sinning and to do good works but the scenario you mentioned here of a person who will completely deny Christ or would want to sin without being convicted of it and without desiring to obey Him, that person is not a Christian. God bless.
Flat out wrong interpretation of Matthew 7:21, because according to John 6:40 the will of the Father is that you believe on Jesus Christ, and John 6:39 says Jesus will never lose you after that.
If you can lose salvation by "running off with the other lady" 1:55 then it IS ''by works of righteousness which we have done'', and it IS ''of ourselves'' and not by grace! Remove Eph 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 from the Bible, and a hundred others. You very subtly condone and agree with Lordship Salvation since you say we have to do something other than trust in what Jesus did for us through the death, burial, and resurrection, to receive salvation. If it is 99% Jesus and 1% us, then it is not the true gospel of grace, but has a tint of doctrines of devils. If it is 99% Jesus effort and 1% our effort, Paul's preaching was in vain and false.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. 1Peter 3:12 When we truly understand and accept grace through Jesus Christ, then that grace will NEVER drive us toward sin but away from it for we have been made a new creation! His grace, love, mercy and power through the Holy Ghost, will give us the strength to pursue a holy and righteous life in His eyes and according to His word. It is therefore impossible for one to boast of his own "righteousness" or works because it is not done by his own strength but by the strength of God and to Him be all the glory! Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16
We must keep our eyes on Jesus he is the author and finisher of our faith and he will direct our path straight and you will realize and say look what the Lord has done instead of saying look at what I have done for the Lord no one can live up to the word of God we all fall short that's why we all need Jesus I hear people say give your life to the Lord but Jesus gave his life for us he wants us to lay down our life that he may live his life through us to as many as received him to them gave he the power to become the children of God.the trap is thinking we can live up to the word of God when only God can live up to his word all anyone can do is trust the Lord Jesus and know that he is faithful
The apostles Paul and Peter gave the correct perspective on salvation: *it is something we hope for, to be received in the future:* According to Paul, during this mortal life we have "the hope of salvation" and are "appointed . . . to obtain salvation": ⚫ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9; Paul did not tell them they were already "saved.") Here's Peter, saying "shall be" saved - in the future: ⚫ "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." (Acts 15: 11) In fact, Jesus tells us we must endure to the end to be saved: ⚫ "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22) We'll be saved - saved from ever perishing in death - when we actually receive the promised gift of eternal life at Jesus' return. Paul explained this in 1 Corinthians 15:42-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. Short of receiving the gift of eternal life, we will surely *perish in death, losing everything, very much unsaved!* Salvation - eternal life - is a grace promised to us, to be received at Jesus' "revelation" or return: ⚫ "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25) ⚫ "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" (1 Peter 1:13) *Justification and salvation are two different things, at different times:* In this mortal life we may enter *justification,* but we will not be *saved* until we receive eternal life at Jesus' return. ⚫ "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." (Paul, in Romans 5:9; another example of "shall be" saved.) "By his blood" a person may enter justification; "through him" that person shall be saved. "Through him" means through a relationship with Him. Remember Jesus' words about those who had preached in His name, and had "cast out devils," and had "done many wonderful works"? Jesus warned what he would say to them: ⚫ "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23) Not only must we know Him: we must continue to abide in Him: ⚫ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6) So, how do we enter justification? *Through* faith (Ephesians 2:8) that God exists and rewards (Hebrews 11:6) we may then choose to obey and "come to God" (Hebrews 11:6) on His terms: in repentance. For that we receive His promised mercy: ⚫ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30) ⚫ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13) So, what is the mercy promised in Proverbs 28:13? Our past sins will be blotted out: ⚫ "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV). A believer - a person who through faith has come to God, confessing and forsaking sin - has been "purged from his old sins" (2 Peter 1:9). Believers have "remission of sins that are past" (Romans 3:25). They have redemption - by grace - from the death penalty they had earned for past sins: ⚫ "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23). Believers have been saved from hopelessness. They are no longer under condemnation, no longer under the death penalty already earned as the "wages" of their past sins. That redemption was made possible "by his blood" as we saw in Romans 5:9: Jesus made His death available to cover our death penalty. With past sins that separated us from God (Isaiah 59:1,2) erased, and no longer under condemnation, we enter *justification,* reconciled with God, no longer separated from God. Now we can begin a new life, "times of refreshing" in "the presence of the Lord" as we saw in Acts 3:19: ⚫ "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV). And how are we in "the presence of the Lord"? Through the gift of the holy spirit, given to those who obey and come to God in repentance: ⚫ "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." (Acts 5:32) ⚫ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38) Through the holy spirit Jesus guides us out of slavery to sin and into His righteousness, overcoming slavery to sin. This is how we are made ready to receive the gift of eternal life and to inherit the Kingdom of God. Creation is not finished: sons and daughters for the Father's eternal family are being created, right now, through Jesus. He is the potter, we are the clay: ⚫ "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (Jesus, in Revelation 3:19) A relationship with Him ⚫ " . . . yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby" (Hebrews 12:11). ⚫ "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." (Revelation 21:7) We can not make the journey along the "narrow way" (Matthew 7:14) that leads to life without His help. And that journey can neither begin nor continue without our repentance, abiding in Him. Outside of repentance, we receive no mercy and no redemption; we will surely perish in death, paying our own death penalty. And outside of repentance, we can not be made ready to receive the gift of eternal life. For those reasons Jesus warned: ⚫ " . . . except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:5) Peter makes it clear: we either come to repentance, or we perish: ⚫ "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). *Nothing about "faith alone" there!* Jesus told His disciples to preach repentance and remission of sins, not "faith alone," not "faith + nothing = salvation"! (Luke 24:45-47) We have free will, and it is possible for us to return to a life of sin, no longer in repentance and no longer abiding in Him. In that case, we have "fallen away" from justification, no longer on the "narrow way" that leads to life. *That's why the apostles gave all those warnings* not to "fall away" and not to "fail of the grace of God." To "give diligence to make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10,11). To "continue in his goodness" or else be "cut off" (Romans 11:19-22). ⚫ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1) Here is a list of similar verses: ⚫ 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Paul understood he could possibly return to sin and be a "castaway" ⚫ 2 Peter 2:20-22 Even after knowing Him it is possible to return to a life of sin, and end up worse than before ⚫ Hebrews 10:26,27 If we return to a life of sin . . . ⚫ Hebrews 6:4-6 We can "fall away" even after receiving the holy spirit ⚫ Hebrews 12:14,15 We can "fail of the grace of God" ⚫ Revelation 3:5 and 22:19 Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life ⚫ Hebrews 3:12-14 "if" ⚫ Colossians 1:21-23 "if" ⚫ Romans 8:13,14 "if" ⚫ Luke 12:45,46 Jesus warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin ⚫ John 15:6 Jesus warned what would happen to those who fail to abide in Him
Excellent, Dr Brown. This is the clearest thing in scripture, in my opinion. Coming from a Southern Baptist background where I actually DEFENDED OSAS, I now see it for what it is. The entire Bible, especially the New Testament is plain. There are many, many warnings given TO CHRISTIANS about this very thing. John 15, Hebrews 3, Romans 11. If not, why was the failure of the children of Israel to enter the Promised Land (first generation died in the wilderness due to disobedience), given as a WARNING to CHRISTIANS? What would be the purpose of the warning if we could not fail to enter the rest promised to us by disobedience. Good vid, Dr Brown! Now do one about "King James Only" . . . :-)
Divide the word CORRECTLY (context, clear understanding, right Spirit). That passage [in Hebrews] was writen TO saved Jews- yes, Christians-ABOUT UNSAVED JEWS. Paul was admonishing the saved Jews to not tire in preaching the Gospel, ensuring that they all [the unsaved Jews] came to believe and not remain lost [aka "enter His Rest"]!
Smh.
pathstogodbyfaithcom you speak the truth!
Well brother Reggie, those warnings to CHRISTIANS are very necessary and required because true Christian MUST persevere in the faith to ensure their salvation and MUST receive those warnings and exhortations as a MEANS to actually DO that. This doesn't automatically mean we can lose our salvation though. The true Christian obeys those warnings by grace and the Spirit. There are false professors and covenant breakers that we find in Hebrews 3 and Heb. 10:29 etc. We must keep covenant with God until the end.
@@ETHANGELIST If we can understand that God knows or rather declares the end from the beginning, why would God bless someone with the Holy Spirit of promise as an earnest for salvation and later down the road take Him away? For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance (irrevocable). The names of the people who are saved are written in the book of Life before the foundation of the world. Jesus said all that the Father giveth Him will come to Him and no one can pluck them out of His hand. There are much more verses that reinforce this idea than the ones that are against. Jesus said that He will leave the 99 sheep in search for the 1 sheep that is astray, no stones unturned. Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Now what I do not agree with the OSAS believers is in the manner they think they are saved. We are not saved in our sins but from our sins. This would be a false assurance. For you to have been sealed with the Holy Spirit you must have the Holy Spirit, and if you truly have the Holy Spirit, then you must bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit. This is expounded in no uncertain terms in 1 John, Titus, Romans. We are given the Spirit to walk in righteousness to fulfill our destiny for by ourselves we can do nothing...salvation comes from Jesus within us. God bless you.
@Hadassah Salvation is never lost. Rewards are. How is it you accuse Baptist of hidden sins , or this sin & that? You seem to believe in any kind of doctrine but the real truth. How can Jesus say to a SAVED person , I never knew you? That alone is a contradiction. Look here, The first thing God does is seal the believer WITH the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long does the Holy Spirit stay with the believer? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. God seals the believer to the day he redeems them. NOTHING can break the seal or remove it. NOWHERE in scriptures does it say God will remove the Holy Spirit before the time God decides to redeem the believer.If you think OSAS is false, YOU are trusting in yourself to remain saved. NOT the cross of Christ.
Dr. Brown is 100% correct. I don't know how you can read the Bible, and draw the conclusion that once you're saved, you're somehow ALWAYS saved. That is NOT what the Bible teaches! The ONLY way to come to that conclusion, is by twisting the word of God, and reading your own beliefs into the text (that's called eisegesis). Every time being saved is mentioned in Scripture, it is OBVIOUSLY in present tense, NOT past tense! This is why Jesus said "If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross DAILY, and follow me." (Luke 9:23). Romans 8:1 boldly states: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. As the apostle Paul was dying he wrote: I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I HAVE KEPT THE FAITH" (2 Timothy 4:7). Furthermore, Demas was listed as a Christian brother in the ministry in both Colossians and Philemon, but in his second letter to Timothy, Paul said that Demas has forsaken him, because he loves this present world. James 4:4 makes it clear that being a friend of the world, makes you an enemy of God. Let's not forget that Jesus's parable of the sower is told in 3 of the 4 gospels. Remember that the seed that fell among the thorns took root, and grew up, only to eventually be choked out by the thorns? The thorns represent the cares and pleasures of this world. Jesus also told the parable of the 10 virgins (which represent believers), 5 of which were not prepared and hence, left behind and told I don't know you. Jesus said that this is how it will be on the day of the return of the son of man (see Matthew 25). Moreover, Jesus also said "Every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit he (God the Father/the gardener v.1) taketh away" Jesus continued in verse 6 by saying "If a man ABIDE NOT IN ME, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned" (see the 15th chapter of John). Hebrews 6:4-6 goes hand-in-hand with the Scripture Dr. Brown mentioned. It says that it's IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened and had the Holy Spirit to be renewed again to repentance, if they fall away. Nobody can fool God into giving them the Holy Spirit! He knows whether or not you are truly sincere in your heart. Why would he give someone the Holy Spirit if they are not sincere in their faith? HE WOULDN'T. Over and over again, the Bible makes it clear that you must ABIDE in Christ/the faith! The word translated as "abide" comes from the Greek word "meno" which LITERALLY means "to remain" OR "not to depart" OR "to continue to be". For those of you wondering what the old testament says about this topic; wonder no further! Ezekiel says that an wicked man CAN become righteous, and a righteous man CAN become wicked (see chapter 18 starting in verse 20). Jeremiah 3 describes Israel as an adulterous wife, and in verse 21 he says that "they have perverted their way, and THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LORD THEIR GOD". Psalm 119:9 rhetorically asks, how can a young man keep his way pure. Answer: by living according to God's word. I could go on, but I think the point is well made by now. Scripture is CLEAR that we MUST ABIDE in the Lord/faith to remain in Him. Salvation is ALWAYS referred to in PRESENT TENSE form. "Once saved - always saved" is NOT biblical. Therefore, all Bible-believing Christians must REJECT IT, as the false doctrine/teaching that it is! 🙂
Once saved, always saved. It’s that simple. What Jesus did on the cross was enough. We don’t need to work for our salvation, we need to receive it. We are sealed once we receive the holy spirit by being born again.
Exactly! But onces saved, we need to keep our faith. I'm not referring to works, but to faith. Faith in Christ is what saves us. If we have no nore faith, meaning we don't believe in Christ anymore, we are abandoning our salvation.
1 Peter 1:8-9 "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." God bless.
When will the body of Christ be in unity? The false teachings must go. It’s normal to lack faith at times. When this happens we need to ask God to strengthen our faith. He is faithful! Amen 🙏
@@rebeccaf8598 Completely agree when you say. "It’s normal to lack faith at times." That's when we say things like "God, where are you? Just when I need you the most." That's not the faith we are discussing in this video. We are talking about salvific faith. There have been brethren who sadly have renounced their faith in Christ, renounced Christianity altogether, saying things like "I was wrong in believing on Jesus", "I'm not a christian anymore." "The Bible is only a book of fantasy." etc. God bless.
@@rebeccaf8598- But we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, we are told that only those who endure to the end will be saved. So, we don’t work to obtain it, but we DO work to maintain it.
@@theshockoftruth8222 how do I work to maintain it? Earnest question, I am in a season of deep doubt and struggle with my faith. Am I unsaved? How could I love the Lord enough and have enough works?
Romans 10:9............For if you confess with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your Heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.
Believe in your heart and confess, both of these things can be done today and not tomorrow. For example, I used to believe there wasn't a God, but I have changed by belief. Likewise, someone could do the opposite
To say a believer can be lost is to call Jesus a liar, and believe Jesus died in vain. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Present tense. John 1:12 First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE TEMPORARTY LIFE. NO, IT IS ETERNAL LIFE. If you have ever believed you are saved forever. If you have never believed, you are not saved.
John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already. What if we never believe it again after we have believed it? Second Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, He abideth faithful, He can not deny Himself. The Holy Spirit who lives in all believers and who will never leave us or forsake us. Hebrews13:5.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
To say a believer can be lost is to say Jesus died in vain. it is to say what He did is not good enough and we have to do something more than just believe to be saved. It means we are not saved by faith alone, but we must keep believing it to stay saved. Works. Not grace. Romans 11:6 Can you boast in your perseverance? No. because we are saved and we do not persevere to get something we already have. Unless you have never believed.
Most false teachers are preaching a false gospel of works instead of grace. Romans 11:6 Matthew 7:21-23. They have never done the will of His Father. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that all that seeth the Son, and believteth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Salvation by works never works. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, (bad news for us sinners), but the GIFT of God is eternal Life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. OSAS GOOD NEWS.
jim kraft AMENNN HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!
So how about the parable of the 10 virgins?
Five had the oil in their lamps. The Holy Spirit of promise. Five did not because they never believed the gospel and did not have the Holly Spirit in them. The oil is a type of the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4:30 Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life.
@@jimkraft9445 what is to believe?
It is to believe the gospel. First Corinthians 15:3-4. When we believe that gospel we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Eternal life is a free gift from God to all who just believe on His name. John 1:12 Romans 1:16. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 6:47 John 5:40. John 6:29. John 3:18.
Once we become a child of God, we are a child of God forever. If we go off and live in sin, He will chasten us as children. And if we do right, He will reward us here and in heaven. First Corinthians 3:11-21 But, God can not go back on His word. John 3:16. God can not lie. But it has to be faith in Jesus alone apart from any thing else. Nothing else can save us except what He did for us plus nothing.
Romans 4:5-8 Ephesians 2:8-9. Romans 3:26-28. No one can boast in free. Romans 11:6. I hope this grows your faith.
Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
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No one can ever lose their salvation. How could we lose that which wasn't ours to give in the first place? If we're not saved by good works, than how can we be lost by bad works? We cannot. In John 6:37 Jesus plainly stated... "He that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." That is a promise from God.
So it's ok for people to do what they want? They can kill, commit adultery, rape... And it's all ok becaus they accepted Jesus Christ as their savior? I don't think that's how it works.
What if a Christian chose to deny Jesus not to repent and made a career out of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is that person still saved?
@@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll they were never truly saved. That's what my pastor explained to me.
@@stephanierenee20Does your bible say it is ok to do all that? Just because OSAS is true, does it mean I can just live as I want? Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Stephanie Renee wrong. Says He will never cast you out....if you come to him. Doesn’t say he won’t let you leave. That’s not casting you out.
Your not losing your salvation because of sin, you’re forfeiting by knowingly denying Christ
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 KJV, Jesus Christ is the only way
It should scare you, if salvation is up to us we can easily loose it. Exactly, put your trust in His keeping power Dr. Brown, a regenerate heart by God cannot walk away from God. You can't unregenerate your heart. How can you have peace with God if you can loose your salvation? I have comfort that I have assurance not in myself but in God to keep me. I can't loose it because salvation is not up to me.
Simple question, is God all powerful? Then he can't loose those who are His.
Biblical Christianity Exactly.
Biblical Christianity Dr. James White could give us a biblical refutation to Dr. Brown's comments.
What do you make of Jesus' warnings to the churches in Revelations? Were all those churches not real believers? Why did Jesus warn them about leave Him and His words ? If you say is "impossible"
There's no evidence in Scripture that Judas was ever a true believer or "saved." Jesus calls him a "devil" in John 6:70 and he's called the "son of perdition" in John 17:12; meaning someone destined or appointed for destruction. How could he be saved and then unsaved? It was prophesied that he would betray Jesus!
Biblical Christianity He did not say you can lose your salvation he said you have the freedom to change your mind and walk away from it after receiving it. Big difference.
Agreed. Well put. There are a number of verses that tell us we can choose, even after knowing the glory of the Lord.
Yes, but not after being given eternal life.
Yes, after knowing the Lord. You should look up the verses.
@@FaithandActiondotnet How do you come up with that when you been bought & paid for? 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Dr. Brown-Right on as usual. When I have a scriptural question, I go to Dr. Brown’s site. After years of watching him, I trust him for the truthful answer.
how I have heard it explained to me, is that if a person at one time recieved Christ as their Savior, and there was a legitimate change in their life, they turned from their wicked way, served the Lord, and gave Him their all, and suddenly one day turn their back on God, forsake all He has given them, and forsake all He wants to give them, the Lord will chasen/chastise them, because, "whom the Lord loves, he chasens". If that person still does not listen, and take the hint, the Lord has, can, and will take more drastic measures up to and even including, calling that unfaithful servant home. I have also heard it said that if someone proclaims that they are saved, yet there comes no change, they were never saved in the first place; there was never any repentance to begin with. I choose to believe this because it coincides with how the Lord has worked with many of His servants in the past. Ultimately, we should be worrying about ourselves, and not the salvation of others. It's like bro Brown said, if you are saved, and you know it, then you have nothing to worry about. God's salvation. is eternal for those who accept it once and for all, if you disobey your Father, it simply will not go well for you. If you disobey, and nothing happens, then is when you should worry.
Thank you Dr. Brown for being open and honest about your perspective on this. I guess a lot of people have been wondering what you believed. The consistent Arminian indeed has to believe that one can lose/forfeit their salvation. For how can one have the "freewill" to be saved but have no freewill to be unsaved?
I agree that someone can forfeit their soul and fall from grace and a Christian can be cut off. Perhaps I'm a little more open than the typical Calvinist. But eternal life means eternal life {e.g. John 6:47). But I would love to dig in more into the passage you gave.
I've now made a video on the passage and why it certainly doesn't prove someone can lose their salvation. Feel free to visit my channel
The Word of God teaches that once a lost sinner is saved, they're always saved... "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise ... And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30).
Thankyou I was beginning to think I was the only one on here who still believed in it. Gby 🙂
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Ezekiel 18 clearly states that ones who were saved can fall away at the end. I believe that Dr Brown is correct here. If salvation is obtained through faith then it can be lost by renouncing faith. Even Jesus explains this in the parable of the sower.
Very well said sir. There is further proof that Christians who are in the book of Life can be removed from it. Look at Revelations 3:5 and also Exodus 32:32 where Moses offers to have God remove his name from the book of Life if God will only forgive the people for their rebellion. God's reply to Moses is that He will blot out those who wilfully sin against Him. The point is that you can't blot out something that was never there to begin with. So YES, people who are saved can willingly forfeit their salvation.
Moses time doesn’t apply to church age
The reason it’s once saved always saved is because it’s by birth not by merit. A person cannot unborn himself in the flesh as such a person can’t unborn himself in spirit.
@Sha' an No they cannot. 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
That's sounds nice but what verse are you using for that? Many verses talk about virgins lamps without oil, names being blotted out, and those who draw back to perdition. If someones name was blotted out that means they were born again and then they fell away from the Lord. You can not erase something that was never there in the first place
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Everyone ever born has their name written in the Lambs book of life, when you die without Christ your name is blotted out.
Nothing to do with loss of salvation at all.
Please try again!
Salvation is a gift once excepted by a person cannot be lost just because they may have fallen away. We all sin and we may suffer as a Christian as a consequence but we cannot loss our salvation.
@@treyway9001 For all have sin and fall short of the the glory of God. but if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I agree 100% we can choose to leave God. But we can never loose our salvation. We may even wander we only lose it if we chose to turn our backs on God and what Jesus did on the Cross.
I believe that Rom 10:9 does apply here, Think about it. How are we saved. By confessing and believing. So if you stop believing or confessing or then it goes to reason you aren't saved.
“Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.” Romans 11:22
I enjoy your teachings Dr Brown, I have gotten some good insight from you.
I do believe there is error in this teaching though.
If our unrighteous behavior by turning from God can cause one to forfeit and loose their salvation, then that would assume that their righteous deeds of walking with and in obedience with Him is the sustaining power of their salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
I believe that those that are truly saved and yet struggle with the scriptures on assurance is because of the misunderstanding of faith.
It's not, I have faith in Jesus therefore I'm saved, it is, I have the faith (of) Jesus abiding in me through the person of the the Holy Spirit therefore I'm saved.
I know His faith cannot and will not let me go.
Daniel Joseph Phil 2:12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
@@H-in-Ca NOT WORK FOR!
@@tommy.1002 :Exactly Tommy!."Work out" is a way of saying "concern yourself on your own salvation" (salvation is an individual thing) with fear (in GOD) and trembling (respect).Is so sad that most Christians don't know how to interpret the bible!.Salvation must be interpreted based on what is written in Romans 10:8-11.That is the model that Paul gave, salvation by grace though faith, that all other verses where salvation is mentioned are to be interpreted by!.
Revelations 3:11-12 says
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Dr. Brown is teaching false doctrine. Nothing we do after we are saved determines our eternal home. Otherwise the bible is rubbish and Jesus is a liar.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." (1 John 2:19)
That's talking about false prophets and anti christ's
Brandon Root Ironically, many, if not most, of those who once professed to be Christian turn out to be antichrists.
@@kraffty1 read the preceding verse, its talking about a specific group of people. Also I dont believe that everyone who goes out is unsaved.
Brandon Root I did, and it’s clearly referring to a group of people who once identified with the Christian community. But have defected and have exposed themselves as antichrists. However, I agree with you that defection does not mean that someone is unsaved. Rather, they forfeit a crown, or reward. This is clearly the case when one uses proper exegesis with 2 Timothy 4:7-8. “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day-and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.” Paul isn’t concerned with the loss of salvation. Rather, he has his eyes on the crown of righteousness.
Dr. Brown, I so appreciate your ability to put all the relevant scriptures together and present a clear picture on issues like this! Thank you and please keep doing what you're doing!
You have no clue to what he is doing do you. you trust a man over the words of Jesus! Jesus is NO LIAR! This man is!
Well yes the bible is very clear about eternal security..Otherwise, we have a problem with contradiction...
what was the purpose of Paul's letters to the churches?
@@Jb3215 If its revelation you seek ask God. The Holy Spirit is the best teacher.
Kim... what I was getting to is that Paul's message to the churches was to teach, exhort, caution, reprimand... for the purpose that our past brethren(and you could say future as well) would keep themselves in a holy manner. There is security when we keep ourselves in Christ... not just by sayings, but by doing his will. 'OSAS' is a very dangerous concept that I believe comes from the enemy to deceive and keep those that say are in Christ but that their works may say otherwise, with a false confidence. 1 Peter 5 says "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" God help us all. May we always humble ourselves to Him, seeking His guidance. The flesh is flawed and weak; which is why we constantly need God. We thank Him for sending the comforter who is always with those that serve him in truth. God Bless You
@@Jb3215 I know the apostle Paul's epistles but you ask a question that demands hours of typing and explaining. I dont give bible lessons in comment sections, but I do share with people seeking the truth in regards to being saved. I was saved almost 30 years ago, and have applied myself to the bible everyday seeking, asking, learning truth by the Holy Spirit. I am no longer under men's false interpretation of the bible or false doctrine blocking the path to heaven. At the moment we are saved, we are sealed with the imperishable seed of the Holy Spirit ( 1 Peter 1) which is our reservation. Once saved, once sealed, it can never be undone.
many scriptures provide insight but I will give you a few. I am truly blessed by the Father. Its highly offensive to hear people say this blessing from the Father is from the devil. May God give you a heart and desire to seek and find truth.. Read Jeremiah 33:3 if you follow its instructions, it will change your life forever.
John 3:14-18
John 6: 35-40
John 10: 25-30
1 John 3:8-9 is the key to bringing all salvation scriptures, willful sinning scriptures in Hebrews , into the light of His wisdom.
@@kimwestwood8840 I'm not here to offend anybody. So I apologize if you were offended by my response but I am in no way saying God's promise of salvation is from the Devil. Jesus Christ is faithful and true. His word is eternal, never changing. The interpretation and how we may perceive scripture is what can cause someone to have a false confidence. Satan himself used the word to tempt Jesus as he fasted. But just think if we as Christians are forever saved once we believe... why do we have trials and tribulations? Why does God try us? Why do we go through temptation? Why do we suffer? Its to test our faith. To see if we are faithful: remaining loyal. To see if we are worthy of his calling (ephesians 4:1). God call's for obedience to his word. It shouldn't be offensive to say we should be faithful to God. It's what he wants and so that's what we as Christians should strive for. That same chapter you referenced 1 Peter 1... goes on to say 14 As OBEDIENT children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Holiness is the quality or state of being holy. Holy is exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness.
Hebrews 12:14 says follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
You see, We cannot have two masters. A good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and vice versa. Is Jesus really our Lord if we continue to sin while saying we are of him? Jesus says in Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Paul said to the philippians 2: 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Why? because we ought to treasure and care for what God has given us. So precious and valuable it cost the blood of his only begotten Son who died to take away our sin and of the world. Jesus warned against this type of mindset in Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Don't be deceived into thinking you cannot lose it. If you have something of great value you would care for it more knowing it can be lost than knowing it can never be lost. If you've accepted Christ... Praise God. What I'm saying is take care of the precious gift he has granted you by staying holy, pure, In Jesus Christ. Rev 3:11 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. God bless you.
I agree completely whole heartily with Dr Michel Brown.
Here are verses that tell us a person can be unsaved(Forfeited Salvation):
If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. -John 15:6
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" -Hebrews 10:26
How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:29 (insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself)
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they gall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame" - Hebrews 6:4-6
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22
But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. -Ezekiel 18:24
Here is a passage that say it happened already to some.
"Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again" -Romans 11:20-23
Here is a passage that say it will happen in the end times.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
I see this. Pray for my sons. Dr Brown is there hope for them to be able to return?
Erika Nearpass
I am not Dr Brown, but I can honestly tell you as a Pastor, that "YES" there is hope for them! Keep praying and lifting them up in prayer.
What happens to the new heart? What happened to God placing fear in our heart that we will not turn from them?
God does give a new heart and his Holy Spirit... but it's still up to us to maintain that new heart pure. First and foremost with the help of the Holy Spirit we also have to be determined.
1 peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:... meaning we continue in the flesh which we must continue to fight against it.
Jesus said in Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
1 peter 4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? ... it is with difficulty one is saved.
Jesus said But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
We must keep faithful. God bless
@@Jb3215 Try reading Ezekiel 36:25-27; John 6: John 17; 2 Peter 1:3-10; 1 Cor 3; Jude; Galatians 3-5 and Romans 5-8 Chapters. Once you understand the Gospel you will understand what I meant by my statement and what I was referring to in the video. Tip: Always seek clarification before making statements based on what you think a person means. That's why my initial response was a question.
I love u Dr.brown. I feel like there is a very strong biblical argument for “one saved always saved”, part of me agrees with you about forfeiting your salvation, I wrote a paper on this issue for bible college and came to the same conclusion as you doc, but Romans 8:31-39 says NOTHING can separate us from the love of the Lord, so I am not for certain that’s for sure
You can be certain sir,for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth..sure we must stick with the scripture..it says nothing can separate us from the love of God..we must than of seriousness begin to considered what is this love of God,what are scriptural indicators that reveal this love,not to be long..if a man love me He will keep my commandments (John 14:21).. this love of God is that which in the first place drives man from all appearances of evil...
Thank you, Dr. Brown.🥰
I feel like it's a double talk from Dr.Brown
strongyang Exactly, regardless of what word or words they use, if a person backslide and die in that unrepentant state his soul will be lost. And you can't remain saved and continue living in sin.
@@aarythompson-robinson6694 :Exactly, you can not claim salvation by grace though faith and live like a carnal worldly person!.Jesus warns us of such people, "You shall know them by THEIR FRUITS".
I judge if some one is in Christ not by his claim of faith but by the type of fruits he produces.A faith that leads to eternal life produces good works but a faith that is dead DOES NOT PRODUCE ANY GOOD WORKS AT ALL.Two of my favorite Biblical writers are Paul and James, those guys did not hold any punches, they always went straight to the point!.
@Tomcloud :To continue in faith is to OBEY Jehovah God and do His will!. Ephesians 2:10 reveals that we have been "created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do".We must do the works that God had prepared for us to do, TO LOVE GOD is to OBEY GOD!. You can not LOVE God and yet live a life contrary to the LIFE that God demands from you to live.
Salvation is by grace through faith only, yet OBEDIENCE is a requirement just like it is to the Angels that they MUST OBEY and summit to God's AUTHORITY.That is if they want to reign and live with Jehovah God for all eternity if NOT God will kick them out of His heaven just like He did with Satan!!!!.
Without FAITH is IMPOSSIBLE to please God and if you claim to love God you MUST OBEY and SUMMIT to Jehovah God just like the Angels of God do!. Both are essential , FAITH = RIGHTIOUSNESS and TO LOVE GOD=OBEDIENCE. When Jesus asked Peter if Peter loved Jesus the LORD did not mention the lack of faith or not lack thereof of Peter.Jesus told Peter to take CARE (obedience) of Jesus flock!.Jesus asked obedience and Peter OBEYED and took care of the Church.
Abraham, he believed God and was accounted as rightiousness but Abraham also was willing (OBEDIENT) to sacrifice Isaac to GOD!.
What would have happened if Abraham believed God and yet refused to OBEY God and not sacrifice Isaac?. Abraham's OBEDIENCE was exactly what showed that Abraham ACTUALLY TRUSTED and had faith in God's promise and word!.
Abraham TRUSTED God (God's promise to Abraham that from Abraham's seed the world would be blessed) and was OBEDIENT by putting it into action by raising the knife to kill Isaac!.What would happen if WE as new born Christians claim to have faith in God and yet live a life of DESOBEDIENCE to Jehovah God?.You answer that question yourself.
That is why liberal Christians praise God's love and grace so much and yet are phobic/deffensive of the mere mention of the words OBEDIENCE, SUMMISSION and HOLYNESS!.
@@Orange6921 :Dear brother in Christ, I still follow Jesus Christ rule of thumb "you shall know them by their fruits", not by their claims!. For example, a saved BORN again Christian and a non christian live a life of sin comming the same type of sins (SAME TYPE OF FRUITS) .How is a sinner to judge and tell them apart if they behave the same exact way and there is no fruits in their lives?.
If it would be like that then lets preach for sinners to believe in the Gospel and be saved and tell them to keep living as before because it wont affect their salvation!. To come to Christ is to come from darkness (sinful depraved life) to light (free from bondage and born again of the spirit), how can we be in the light and yet behave like there is darkness in us!!!.
A fountain can not give 2 kind of water, I agree with Christ 100% in that a born again Christian MUST produce GOOD fruits because he IS planted IN Christ.Otherwise what is the point in comming to Christ for forgiveness of sin if your life is NOT transformed by the Holy Spirit.
Agreed, we do have struggles with the flesh.Those struggles are won if we live a life of studying the Bible, prayer and fasting (WHICH MOST CHURCHES today don't practice) and communion with Jehovah God.
Most churches are more concern in making people feel good about themselves singing and preaching on wealth!.How many services have you seen in youtube where prayer and fasting for the Lord is practiced and taught?, barely any. How did Jesus and the apostles won their battles with the flesh and Satan?, THROUGH CONSTANT PRAYER!.
@Tomcloud . . the only people who go to hell are the unregenerate; those who have never received the Holy Spirit, because they remain dead in their trespasses and sins, Eph. 2.1. When they die they will be separated from God because they failed to receive forgiveness of their sins. And the only way for one to receive forgiveness of sins is for them to have believed the Gospel, 1 Cor. 15.3-4. This is synonymous to believing on the Lord Jesus Christ Acts 16.31. When an unregenerate person believes the Gospel message in their heart, Rom 10.10a, that person is immediately regenerated (born-again) and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption, Eph. 4.30.
Peace and blessings!
scripture warns not to "drift away". kept by the power of God, thru faith.
Amen!
If you walk away you were never reborn
@@saved6655 If you believe one cannot apostatize, then the Holy Spirit is not guiding your discernment of the Scriptures.
@@VictorFelipe82 thank you for your concern but sir you have to provide scripture with that. I believe as it says, Philippians 1:6 the one who starts a good work will finish it John 10:28 no one can snatch you out of the fathers hand Ephesians 4:30 you are sealed with the Holy Spirit on and on and on. Just because scripture tells us to persevere doesn’t mean we take the clear scriptures and throw them away.
If God dose the work, he will bring you the whole way. No if’s ands or buts. If you “fall away” you never had the Holy Spirit in the first place says John in 1 john 2:19. You can’t fall away if you were never saved.
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Thanks for the reply, brother. Now we are talking. Great you are finally bringing forward scriptures because "If you walk away you were never reborn" wasn't good enough.
The verses you've provided do refer to eternal security, no question about it. Eternal life is the promise for those believers who are firm in their faith in Christ. The instrument of our salvation is our faith in Jesus Christ. So if no more faith, no more salvation.
Dear brother, you mentioned there's "no ifs" when it comes to salvation; clearly you have not read all scriptures, then.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2,
"Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain."
2 Timothy 2:12,
"If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us."
Hebrews 2:1-4,
"Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?"
2 Peter 2:20-22,
“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.””
1 John 2:24-25,
“Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us-eternal life.”
I see quite a few “ifs” in the verses above. There are a lot more, of course.
It's not about persevering and enduring in works how we keep our salvation, as some may argue. It's about persevering and enduring in faith in Christ. It's through our faith in Jesus Christ that we were saved in the first place. So if someone abandons their faith, they are abandoning their salvation. Again, it's not by sinning or the lack of works why someone loses their salvation; it's their abandoning the faith that they once had in Messiah, apostatizing, which leads them out of salvation. God bless.
So you’re trusting in your works in order to maintain your salvation? 2nd Peter is talking about being punished on this earth, doesn’t say anything about going to hell.
"You say, 'well that scares me.' Why should it scare you?"
What's wrong with having a healthy fear about how you are going to spend eternity? When I was a kid, if I did something wrong and got punished for it, fear of being punished again kept me from doing that thing. There's nothing wrong with fear, but that doesn't mean you live your life by it. No one is worthy of Heaven, Christ paid for our sins. We have to trust that and trust that if we are genuinely repentant we will be forgiven. But fear of Hell is something we should all have. If you don't, you may want to rethink your position.
"For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." ― James 2: 26
How do you know the people referred to in 2 Peter 2:20-22 were saved at all to begin with? Could they not correspond to seeds that landed on one of the three bad soils ? 2:22
Thanks Dr Brown - well explained.
Wait... so you can be unborn again? Or a person can die spiritually after being born again of the Spirit of God?
If you could lose your salvation, you'd have to repent every minute because you are constantly sinning in your heart and mind. We are bound to sin. If you could lose your salvation you'd constantly have to repent every second because you can die at any moment?
No, that's what he explained. You only lose your salvation when you forfeit the saving grace of Christ Jesus
Is escaping corruption= going to hell when we die? I am not seeing Dr Brown’s understanding of this passage or how this equals forfeiting justification.
Yet always appreciate Dr Browns heart and understanding of scripture in many ways!
Yes. True.
Why?
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
(Hebrews 13:8).
Amen.
Great video! :)
This is double talk. It compromises other parts of scripture that say God is the one keeping us saved. For it is God who works in you to will and to work, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit, Nothing can separate us form the love of God, etc.
Is there any difference between this and the council of trent?
Both are correct.
Very good explanation.
Dr. Brown:
I generally agree with you and I generally agree with you on this topic, to the point of using *exactly* the analogy you just did: we don't lose our salvation like we lose our car keys.
However, I've poured over Jesus's words (the Reason for the Season) and I am now more persuaded that it may be easier to lose one's salvation somewhat more like losing car keys.
The thing that concerns me most is the type-3 soil that doesn't apostatize or fall into grievous or predatory sins, it merely gets distracted by the cares of the world and the pride of life. The other thing that concerns me is the verse about the plowman who becomes unworthy of the Kingdom just by turning his head.
I would say a lot of nominal western Christianity would fall in the fruitless type-3 category, and I'd even say that there's a significant class of Christians serious enough to go to church or listen to radio or YT and are constantly assured they are saved by faith alone, it's a sacrilege to try to "earn" salvation through obedience, and they can't possibly lose their salvation passively (as I think you're saying.)
Not a sermon, just a concern.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Jesus looses no one!
@@tommy.1002 his sheep follow him, it you stop following (meaning you I've were) you are no longer his sheep
The born again experience is “incorruptible.” 1 Peter 1:23-25 No one born from above can become unborn, eternal life is not temporary.
What Dr Brown calls salvation is actually a covenant of Works like the one between God and Adam. A temporal communion that can be altered if the human part forfeits the covenant by sinning, it is still "do this and live" He has made the covenant of grace into a covenant of works, you get in by grace but you stay in by works if you don't fulfill your part the relationship will be lost.
Truly speaking, this is probably the most slippery question in Christianity, because you can make a solid case for both sides...
I don’t think a solid case can be made for OSAS.
@@catholictruth102 of course there can
John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that THOU GAVEST ME HAVE I KEPT, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. ETC
Christians are an irrevocable gift from The Father to The Son, hence suggesting OSAS 😎😎
@@rangariraikunedzimwe2780 John 17:12 is speaking of the apostles. He literally says “while I was with them”
John 10:29 is speaking of the elect most likely, of which none can be lost. All the elect will be saved, but not all of the saved are elect as they can fall away.
Just 5 chapters later Jesus teaches that branches which were in Him can be cut off.
John 15:1-2 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.”
Those which are cut off are gathered and burned.
John 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.”
@@catholictruth102 that proves my point that you can make a strong case for either point of view!👍✔✔
By the way, I agree with you that you can be saved without being elect✔, but The Bible doesn't explicitly say that 😎😎
GOD has promised to lose NONE OF HIS sheep.... HIS GRIP is STRONGER than any mere man's will!
I do love watching Dr. Brown, but I have to disagree. What I don't get is the last statement. How can we trust in God's keeping power, if we ourselves can forfeit it. Did God let that person go? God moves us to choose Him, otherwise we wouldn't choose Him. If He lets us go, wouldn't we surely fall away? Should we pray for God to never let us go and be in fear that we may not die while His grace was shining upon us? What would be the purpose for God to save us for a season, but then cast us off...unless we are saying God doesn't save, but we are responsible for saving ourselves? I think it is more biblical to pray in thanks that God had mercy and grace on those He draws and thank Him for never letting us go. I can't imagine God saying, "I wish I could've saved that man, but he wouldn't let me" or "If only that person died while he was in belief, but my drawing was not enough to help man to maintain that belief and eventually turned away".
All Business - I disagree with you.
For love to exist, you are given a choice. God may have chosen Saul to be King but Saul screw it up.
That is why God has that tree of knowledge of good n evil. Why would he plant it there?
As I have written earlier A guy can simply lose his salvation simply by denouncing his faith in Jesus and worship Baal.
The person who denounces his faith never had it to begin with. 1 John 2:19 teaches us that. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us"
Yes, the faithfulness is God's. A person who is truly saved, I do not believe can ever really deny Christ. John says as much about those who left They were never "one of us." And since Paul teaches that He who began a good work in us us FAITHFUL to complete it, that tells me that once we are adopted, given life, sealed with the Spirit, then he is faithful to keep us and complete his work in us. That we can be confident about that, confident. HE is faithful. It's his work in us.
Dr.Brown...thank you for the clarity...not sure I would have used an example of a man leaving his wife as an example of lost salvation...marriage now a days to American women is brutal.
Born again means like how Jesus was born of Spirit spotless ... even we are spotless wen we are born again we are washed dipped in his blood and kept inside his blood we can never become unclean again...He cannot deny Himself...
Thats not biblical. If it was then there wouldn't be so many warnings in the New Testament to Christians. If we decide to go back to living according to the flesh, then we wont inherit the Kingdom of God.
What if you think you no longer have Jesus or the Holy Spirit anymore how do you get back or can you ? Ive fallen away badly and im worried im not saved anymore
@Leon Schuring How do I feel real sorrow though I have sorrow in a sense because I dont want to sin against God but the REAL sorrow that makes you repent I dont know how to have it and is a sexual sin :(
@@Goldtaker23 Love God with all your heart mind soul strength and neighbor's perfectly if you want to enter his kingdom by your own credit.
People fall short of this daily, Pastors fall short of perfectly Glorifying God and expressing perfectly his worth through there deeds!!!! We cant do it but hes worth it, we cant do it but its the best thing for us, we cant do it but it should always be our goal because he is 'I AM'. Fix your eyes on him the author of your salvation and sin will drop off slowly but surely. Practice fleeing/running from the sexual sins. My hearts soft and aches for the things of God but im a big fat a work in progress, I'm his work in progress. You sound like you don't want to sin this in itself is a work of the Holy spirit! Watch out if your heart becomes hardened and less sensitive, watch out for justifying or minimising sin. Your saved to know and walk with God now, trust his promises and provision. Get stuck into his word to primarily Know him, who he is, what hes like, what hes said, what he will do, what he wants and COMMUNE with that God. Move past this am i saved confusion, into a trusting repentant but imperfect life with and for God.
Gods Grace was giving his son for us. Our obedient is to believe and be baptized. Mark 16:16.
bottom line to all reformed theologians. you pedistal men like Calvin and Luther. but their theology was partial and didn't go back far enough. they forgot that Israel is the root that holds them. and any theology that isn't rooted in a Jewish understanding of the Bible is lacking and untrustworthy. I really like Dr James White. but I do t fully trust his theology.
Daim Untamed Agreed. We are grafted into the olive tree! (Romans 11.)
DM; John Calvin was an evil man who burned 500 people! Luther was antisemitic! Abuse is not limited to the RC church. Why is it that Churches and religious communities are a hideout for evil people. I sometimes go to a very scriptural evangelical church, who believe in OSAS. Those who go to hell were not saved in the first place! However, does not the Bible preach pre- destination? Please reply to me, can you lose your salvation?
To me, 2 Peter 2:20 PROVES the exact opposite. For one, this entire chapter is about the unsaved, the vile, the depraved. It is not about genuine believers that were born again. The context is all of the various reprobate ways of the unregenerate.
Verse 20 says IF they escaped the corruption of the world by a KNOWLEDGE of the Savior it would be worse for them in the end. This does not say they were actually changed and transformed and redeemed-and then returned to depravity. It says they received all that they needed to know. They received the gospel. They received the way of righteousness and possibly started to walk that way. Of course God will show them less mercy on Judgment Day, because they received the fullness of the opportunity of salvation and then rejected it.
But it doesn’t say that they were born again and actually belonged to Jesus. The next verse says that they were STILL a DOG. They were STILL a SOW. They may have fully had the opportunity to have “real food” and “get washed” by being cleansed by the Word of Truth but were not changed. Because of their true nature they then returned to their vomit and their mud.
22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”
These are those that received the gospel (seed) but it never fully takes root. (See parable of the Sower, Luke 8) but those who are born again receive the seed fully and are born again with an imperishable seed. (1 Peter 1:23)
Btw, I’m not a Calvinist. You don’t have to be a Calvinist to believe in the doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints.
ONLY a saved person can depart from the faith, 1 Tim. 4:1, 16; 5:12; 6:10, 21; 2 Tim. 2:17, 18; 4:3, 4; Heb. 6:4-8; Jam. 5:19, 20
ONLY a believer can stop believing, Luke 8:13; Acts 8:13, 21-23; 1 Tim. 1:18, 19; 6:10, 21; Heb. 10:38
ONLY a saved person is in danger of not remaining in the Lord, John 8:31; 15:4-6; Acts 11:13; 1 John 2:24; 2 John 1:9
ONLY a green branch inserted into the Vine can wither, John 15:6; Rom. 11:20-22
ONLY a spiritually alive/saved person can die spiritually again. (the unsaved are already spiritually dead Eph. 2:1, 5) Rom. 8:11-13; 1 Cor. 8:11; 1 Tim. 5:6; Jam. 1:14-16; 1 John 5:16, 17; Rev. 3:1, 2
ONLY saved persons can stop following God, John 6:66; 10:27; Matt. 10:38; Heb. 3:12-14; 2 Pet. 2:15
ONLY those in grace can fall from grace, 2 Cor. 6:1; Gal. 5:4; Heb. 12:15
ONLY someone who loves the Lord can abandon his love for Him, Matt. 10:37; John 15:10; Rev. 2:4
ONLY a saved person can deny knowing the Lord, Matt. 10:33; 26:34, 35; 2 Tim. 2:12; 2 Pet. 2:1; Jude 1:4
ONLY a saved person can lose his holiness and with it his future inheritance, 1 Cor. 9:27; 10:12; 15:33, 34; 2 Cor. 6:16-18; 7:1; Gal. 6:1, 7, 8; Ph. 3:18, 19; Heb. 12:14-17; 2 Pet. 1:9-11; 3:17
ONLY a saved person is in danger of returning to the sinful ways of the world from where the Lord delivered him, 2 Tim. 4:10; Jam. 4:4; 2 Pet. 2:20-22; 1 John 2:15
ONLY a saved person is in danger of losing his perseverance, Acts 14:22; Rom. 2:6-10; Col. 1:21-23; 1 Tim. 2:15
@3:17 "God has promised to keep us and I put my trust in His keeping power."
This seems insistent with the view that one can lose their salvation. God's keeping power won't always keep them (in this view) and therefore doesn't that mean God sometimes does NOT keep His promise?
Dr Brown is correct. Jesus made the same point in John 15:6: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." Did Jesus say "once a branch, always a branch"? No. We have free will. We can, by or own choice, fail to abide in Him and be lost.
The church or bride of Christ is NOT referred to as a branch or tree. Israel is. Read Romans 11.
@@tommy.1002 The Bible clearly says we Gentiles are grafted into the tree and it says we are branches, and in Romans 11:17-24 it says,
"But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
Israel is the natural branches and we are the wild olive branches grafted into the Olive tree who is Jesus Christ.
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 No, you are incorrect. The church of Christ is NEVER referred to as a tree or a branch. The Church is referred to as a bride. The wild off shoots IS about Jews. It is the other way around, They will be grafted into the church in the future.
@@tommy.1002 Read the whole chapter and you will see you are incorrect. The natural branches are the Jews and the wild olive shoots are the gentiles, even the title of the passage is "Gentiles GRAFTED in." Paul was talking to the church in Rome, that's why the book is called Romans! Romans are Gentiles. Open your eyes brother.
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 OPEN YOURS! LOOK, Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Who is God's People? ISRAEL< Who has the Church? JESUS! ALL scriptures referred to as a branch or TREE IS ISRAEL, The church will not be grafted into Israel, ISRAEL WILL BE GRAFTED INTO THE CHURCH! Hence, LOOK! Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. SEE IT? which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. You have to be really blind NOT to see this is ALL ISRAEL!
Good simple teaching
I've been searching the explanation to this question all night, this is by far the best answer I've heard all night.
Yes I agree with this teaching that we CAN REJECT, WANDER OFF, and WALK AWAY from our SALVATION and PERISH.
Matthew 18:12-14 How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, Doth he not leave the 99, and go up into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And (IF) so be that he FIND IT, (CONDITIONAL) verily I say unto you, he rejoices more of that sheep, then of the 99 which went not astray. Even so it is not the WILL of your FATHER which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should PERISH.
So here, we see two examples of one being able to WANDER AWAY and REJECT HIS SALVATION and PERISH.
We see clearly that it's not the FATHER'S WILL that one of us should PERISH, but he GIVES us a FREE WILL to CHOOSE.
Just like the PRODIGAL SON who realized that he needed to get back to his FATHER'S HOUSE, for he was in poverty WITHOUT HIM, so he willingly CHOSE to go back. His FATHER didn't hunt him down and capture him and FORCE him back, but he was waiting with open arm's to recieve him if he CHOSE TO RETURN.
So to say that God would FORCE one of us that knew him at one point but then rejected him at some other point to choose to serve SATAN, and PRACTICE a lifestyle of WILLFUL, CONTINUAL, and HABITUALl SIN, would be to say that GOD would FORCE US to LOVE HIM, SERVE HIM, PRACTICE OBIEDIENCE TO HIM, and spend ETERNITY with HIM in HIS KINGDOM. And that would be to go Against and Contradict the very NATURE, CHARACTER, and LOVE that he extends to ALL OF US, which is a FREE WILL to CHOOSE to LOVE and OBEY HIM or to choose to REJECT HIM and DISOBEY HIM.
Just look at Adam and Eve, they had a FREE WILL to CHOOSE to DISOBEY GOD or to OBEY GOD,
and they CHOSE to LISTEN TO SATAN and CHOSE SEPERATION AND DEATH.
GOD DESIRES US to LOVE and OBEY HIM by CHOOSING TO WILLINGLY, NOT BY FORCE.
That's why JESUS SAID, those who love me, OBEY ME, and keep my commandments.
Those who don't are NOT HIS.
HIS SHEEP KNOW HIS VOICE AND THEY FOLLOW HIM. And He gives THEM, (HIS SHEEP) ETERNAL LIFE.
BUT HE DOESN'T FORCE ANY OF HIS SHEEP TO REMAIN IN HIS SHEEPFOLD WHO NO LONGER CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HIM.
Another good example of this DOCTRINE is the parable of the TRUE VINE.
(John 15:1-6) (Hebrews 6)
(Galatians 5:19-21)
And there's Many More to support this DOCTRINE as well, but I'll stop there.
But it's simple, If we REJECT what JESUS TAUGHT and DO NOT ABIDE in HIS DOCTRINE then we don't have God PERIOD.
WARNING!!!!!!
(2 John 1:9)
Whosoever TRANSGRESSETH, and abideth NOT in the DOCTRINE of CHRIST, hath NOT GOD; whosoever ABIDETH IN the DOCTRINE of CHRIST hath BOTH the FATHER and the SON.
WRONG , 1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. till think you can just walk away?
@@tommy.1002 :Correct Tommy, both 1 Corinthians 6:16 and 1 Corinthians 6:20 go hand by hand with Matthew 7:20
“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” .
Ismael 1:1 Show me your fruits and I will tell you what type of faith you have and whom have you believed!.The quote Ismael 1:1 was just kidding, take care and God bless you.
The story of the prodigal son is one of restoration not of justification. He was already saved and only needed to repent and come back into fellowship. The older son is also saved but unless he repents of his hard-hardedness (jealousy) he will lose his reward at the judgment seat.
@@Orange6921 . . even if a believer willfully refuses to obey God's word doesn't mean he or she is unsaved. Once one has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit how it possible for them to become unregenerate? They can't! Doing or not doing has nothing to do with one's justification, but it has major consequences on their sanctifcation.
@@Orange6921. . Look at the carnal believers in Corinth who Paul was preaching to. This is a perfect example of countless of believers in the Church today. If they continue in that state and die they will have loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ. If they repent and confess sins and obey the Word, then they will receive reward at the JSOC.
This is one area that it very hard to clear up an I respect dr brown in almost all areas. He is a great teacher and expositor of the Word god bless him. I agree 100% with him being a non calvanist and got out of that as I did. But scripture does say when we believe we are sealed with the Holy Sprit. so how can we lose our salvation-also it says god will fulfill the work he has done in us when we trust in Chrsist
Bob Free Good points . The problem is scripture harmonizes with itself and if we are not saved forever than we make Jesus out to be a liar and the bible contradicts itself.
We are weak and that scares me. Do we hold on to Jesus by our own strength? like you said no, he keeps us.
Obviously if you lose your "salvation" then you were never saved. Jesus promised those who were given him would have eternal life. Therefore it cannot be lost. If it could be then it's not eternal, or everlasting.
mackenzie Yes if you abide in him and endure to the end.
Try reading/studying the Bible for yourself instead of believing these false preachers that say " once saved, always saved " that mess is NOT biblical. Here's two well three for you.
MATTHEW 10:22
MARK 13:13
And there's many more that refutes this false doctrine.
Eternal or Everlasting is referring to being heaven with Jesus Christ where there will be no more dying.
There is no eternal or everlasting life in this present state. It really doesn't matter what word you you use if a person DIE IN THEIR SINS, THEY ARE LOST.
FORFEIT, LOSE whatever; hell is hell regardless of what word or words one chooses to use. 😖
MATTHEW 24:13
BUT HE THAT ENDURE THE UNTO THE END, THE SAME SHALL BE SAVED.
If you believe in Jesus then you have EVERLASTING Life, so IF you have EVERLASTING life, then "lose it", then you never even had everlasting life, because everlasting life lasts FOREVER.
Lol it's common sense. 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us"
This verse is talking about the antichrist and the antichrist spirit in the church, and false converts.
Philippians 1:6- "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you WILL perform it until the day of Jesus Christ"
(Ephesians 4:30)
Jude 1:24- "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"
Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.
1 peter 1:4-5
4 "To an INHERITANCE Incorruptible, and undefiled, and that FADETH NOT AWAY, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time"
Hebrews 7:25- "Therefore He is able also to save FOREVERRRR those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them."
Eternal life cannot be temporary, and a born again Christian cannot be unborn again, then born again, then unborn again. Jesus never taught that.
Romans 11:29 - "For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance"
What does repentance mean? It means a change of mind, so with that being said, we can conclude that this verse is saying that God will not change his mind about his callings and gifts he has given. It's saying God will not change his mind and take back what he has given or called to those who are justified.
Do you think God is saying to himself, “Oops, I didn’t expect that to happen.” And then he is reaching for his eraser?
"Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray Him." John 6:64.
Romans 8:29-30 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified.
Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead DWELLS IN YOU, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies a through His Spirit who DWELLS IN YOU"
and Hebrews 13:5 says "for he hath said, I will never leave thee nor forsake thee.
So the word of God says his spirit lives within us belivers and he will never leave nor forsake us
"but you can leave and forsake him"
Well not necessarily b/c according to the word of God a true believer wouldn't do such a thing because we are kept by the power of God.
you may say something like "if your a christian and decide to murder people everyday and be a child molester and ect, then you lost your salvation"
Well first of all, eternal security is not a free license to sin bc 1 john 3:9 says "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God"
1 john is clearly saying that those who are born of God (born again), they will not continue to practice sin or do such things. They will continue to peruse a godly life even though we stumble into sin every day. Does eternal not mean eternal?
John 6:39-40 "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day"
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have EVERLASTING LIFE: and I WILL raise him up at the last day"
when it comes to this salvation thing, Jesus has never taken a L and never lost one person that God's given him. That's what this verse is saying. God is strong enough to save you, and he is strong enough to keep you!
God does not break promises.
John 10:28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall NEVER PERISH, >>>(NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY HAND)"
@Geocentric bence
1.) - First of all, you didn't give me not even ONE scripture to back up anything that you just said and you misunderstand what God means by everlasting life and everlasting torment. And there is a distinction between eternal and everlasting, but 'eternal' can be used as a synonym for the word everlasting.
Yes there was a beginning for us but there is no end, that's common sense. That's what scripture teaches.
We had a beginning, but we have no end, we dont just cease to exist, we will continue to exist forever and ever.
God on the other hand has no beginning or end, God created ALL things including time, therefore he exists outside of time, there for he's eternal or infinate. Therefore he always has existed.
The word "everlasting" means something that 'LASTS' 'forever'. Doesn't mean that there has to be no beginning for something to last forever. Now read this carefully. For something to last forever, does not mean or indicate that there has to be no beginning. God created us, and those who Believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life, which is life that is never ending.
Just like one word can have multiple meanings, keep in mind that the new testament was translated from Greek to English.
Many words with multiple meanings exist in the English language as well as the Hebrew and Greek language. Technically, almost every word has a multiple meaning. How often do you go into the dictionary to look up a word, and find that only one meaning is listed next to it? Practically never! Many words have slightly varying meanings, or they can be used as different parts of speech. However, we will primarily focus on words that have multiple meanings in a broader sense.
God created us, and if we reject the free gift of everlasting life, then we will be tormented day and night, forever and ever. Without any end. Yeah there was a beginning Because God created hell and the lake of fire, but there will be no end. Your limiting God's power is what you are doing and you don't even know it. God can do anything and everything that he wants.
The bible calls The Lake Of Fire the second death, not everlasting life, although the torment is everlasting (never ENDING), and you still exist, but you don't have everlasting bliss, you have everlasting damnation and torment, that's the difference.
Now God on the other hand had no beginning and has no end, because he is an infinate being. He created all things, including time, therefore he exists outside of time.
"Eternal means no beginning or end. There is no word in all of scripture that means eternal or forever"
Really? There's no word in all of scripture that means eternal or forever? You contradicted yourself..
You obviously do not know your bible. The bible teaches that God is and infinate being, an eternal being and always has existed. There's your "Eternal or forever"
God is eternal; therefore, His purposes for His creation remain everlasting.
Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Clearly, Matthew 25:41 is saying that the everlasting fire lasts FOREVER.
Obviously there had to of been a beginning and God had to of created the lake of fire for it to last forever.
Revelation says that they are cast into the lake of fire and they will be tormented day and night FOREVER AND EVER, and will get NO rest.
We are created, but just because we had a beginning doesn't mean there will be an end. Your trying to limit God's power, knowledge and ability. God can do all things except for the things that are against his nature like sin.
Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death"
The bible is clear that the lake of fire is called the second death, not the second life. They still exist, but they don't have everlasting life, they have everlasting torment.
The bible teaches that everlasting life is everlasting bliss and happiness with no more pain, sorrow or anything. But the lake of fire is the opposite but far worse, beyond our comprehension.
Now Jesus himself said "where the worm NEVER dies and the fire is NEVER quinched" Referring to us created beings that reject him. Now, that does not mean that humans had no beginning, it means that we will continue to live on forever and ever, that's common sense. Scripture is very clear that we are created beings, that have an opportunity to have everlasting life, which is life that LASTS forever and ever. What your doing is denying scripture, the word of God is clear that there is everlasting life, which is life that has no end, and everlasting punishment, which is punishment that has no end.
The words "forever" and "everlasting," and the phrase "forever and ever" are used throughout scripture as synonyms for the word "eternal" ... Rom.1:16 describes the Godhead as "eternal," here translated from the Greek word "aidios."
"Eternal" is an excellent adjective for God. Clearly He has no beginning nor end.
For something to last forever is not required for it to have no beginning if that makes sense.
2.) You stated "unless you believe Jonah was in the belly forever? Priest good lasts forever? Animal sacrifice forever?"
Dude what is your point here? Your making absolutely no sense.
Those were shadows of things to come that were temporary until Christ came to earth to FUFILL the law. Your comparing temporary things with eternal matters. Doesn't make any sense, your point is??
3.) - you stated "Its unfortunate most translations don't translate it properly. Eternal can only mean one thing, no beginning no end"
Actually it can mean 2 different things, "No beginning and no end" OR "a beginning with no end". That's common sense dude 😂😂
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him will NOT perish but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE"
So are you calling Jesus a liar? So for someone to have everlasting and for you to say "that's not what Jesus means by that" then you make God a liar. Everlasting meaning it is never ENDING. It may have had a beginning, but it has no end. That's what the word of God means by "Everlasting", it never says anything about the beginning, but it's indicating that it has no end.
4.) - You stated "is punishment eternal? No beginning? oh really?"
2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of truth"
@@aarythompson-robinson6694 So based on your works you remain saved huh?
The next verse 2 Peter 2:21 says, "For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy command delivered to them. Notice the verse when It says "after knowing it". It doesn't say, "after accepting it". You can cross reference this verse with Hebrews 6:4-6. Many people taste the gospel and even see it's goodness but they never actually buy it. It's like going wine tasting where you try the wine and see that it's good, you even learn knowledge about the wine and winemaker but never end up buying the bottle.
Don't read much do you? The ENTIRE CHAPTER is About False Teachers, Preachers & Prophets. NOT saved people.
Remember that the will of the father in Matthew 7 is not our works, but our belief outlines in John 6:40
What about Ephesians 4:30? Saved until the day of redemption?
When Paul speaks about falling away he's not talking about anybody that came you can't have it if you never had it how can I lose something I never had?
2 Peter 2: 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
@@Jb3215 exactly bro once they've always saved about time someone agreed with me
If you say "God can not force us to stay in his house or family, and we can deny him", this system is no longer in the christian who have the assurance of his salvation, because he doesn't see it that way anymore, he loves God and want to do his will and flee and resist sin, because sin hurt him, because of his new spirit and new heart, and he know he loves Jesus in his heart because of the Spirit in him, and he knows he can rest in Jesus and be secure because when he received Jesus in his heart he agreed he can not maintain the Salvation he received from God, it is why he can rest and not fear to be rejected when he fall, and he knows he don't have a license to sin.
But yes, there is a false "OSAS", when you accept Jesus by faith alone....t without first being convinced by the Holy Spirit that we are separated from God because of our sinful nature and that we are good for eternal damnation, and that we need to be redeemed by a Savior, Jesus Christ, because we do not have the price of our redemption to give to God, we receive another "Jesus", another false "holy spirit" that make us friend with the spirit of the world, sin and all seducing spirits.
And there are "religious christians" who are so strong that they have managed to maintain salvation by their own power, and who preach a legalistic gospel that saves only those who become like them, elites.
You cannot forfeit your salvation... 🤦♂️ go read the book of John on the KJV!
Yes I'm a baptist!
Rev. 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Doesn't sound like once-saved-always-saved to me.
What does being born again mean? You can be born again and then be unborn again?
Wow, this losing vs forfeiting is exactly how I have taught it for quite some time. Great job Dr. Brown!
There is a fabulous book on this subject. It is no longer in print, however. It is titled Life in the Son by Robert Shank.
How would you teach to someone who believes that if you turn from God you were never truly saved?
@@ohhappyledet Fascinating question. You see, scripture does not address your question as stated. Scripture teachers that if you are not or have never been truly saved, you can't turn from God, because you have ALWAYS been separated from God. From the moment of birth, you have had a sinful nature and are dead toward God, spiritually speaking. It is only a true believer that can turn from God.
@@thereturn2361 If we are not permanently sealed by the Holy Spirit , if we can remove ourselves from the Fathers hand, then the bible is rubbish and Jesus is a liar. This issue was settled for me by the Father after reading Jeremiah 33:3. As you said ALL scripture is harmony. The problem is using scripture out of context. I cannot convince anyone that will never seek the Father for truth. Salvation is not a trial or probationary
@@kimwestwood8840 Kim, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. Soteriology is a complex subject. On the one hand, even a child can understand the gospel unto salvation and yet on the other hand, great scholars have debated it for years. As with any doctrine in scripture, it is important to study the entire body of scriptures applicable to the topic in question. That is why I would caution you about calling the bible rubbish and Jesus a liar based on a single verse from Ephesians.
I am not going to tell you that you are wrong or try to "correct" you. I will however present some ideas for you to consider. 1st, I think you will find that salvation is not something accomplished only in the past. Salvation is spoken of in past, present, and future tenses. We have been saved. We are being saved. And we will be saved. I will not provide the scriptures for you. If you genuinely want to confirm this, a simple concordance search will do the trick.
2nd, I wonder if you have truly considered the implications of stating that a saved person is permanently sealed by the Holy Spirit. This would mean a person cannot quench the Spirit. It also means a person cannot fall away from the faith as Hymenaeous and Alexander did by rejecting faith and a good conscience and made shipwreck of their faith. It also means that a person cannot have an evil unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. (Heb 3:12).
3rd, your belief that a person cannot remove themselves from the Father's hand implies that once saved, we no longer have free will. Perhaps you ascribe to Calvinistic teaching. If that is the case, then I would wonder why you bother to post anything on this subject because there is nothing you or anyone else can do to "convince anyone that will never seek the Father for truth."
Lastly, I would encourage you to consider the implications of Phil 2:12-13. I have come to believe that these two verses are key to understanding a whole lot of the NT.
If you would like to discuss this further, I would be happy to hear from you. God bless
@@thereturn2361 You misunderstand me. I am not at all saying the bible is rubbish or calling Jesus a liar. I have been saved 30 years . I am saying that if someone uses scripture to refute permanent salvation, THEN they are making the bible to be confusing, and contradictory, which it is not. They also do not believe the simplicity of the good news for salvation made clear by Jesus in John 3 , 4 times. If Jesus says something 4 times, apparently we need to believe it. The 2 verses that tie salvation scriptures together are in 1 John 3:8-9. Born again believers cannot sin ( in the blameless spirit of the new man) and the works of the devil are destroyed permanently. If Jesus tells me I am in the Father's hand and nobody can snatch me out, including the devil or myself, then I take Him at His word. Getting saved, being saved is simple. It is man's FALSE DOCTRINE THAT HAS COMPLICATED IT ..Thats all I'm saying
I disagree, we cannot lose our salvation once we are saved. Salvation is done by faith not by works!
"For God forsakes not those who have been once justified by His grace, unless he be first forsaken by them"
Council of Trent.
Your view of assurance is Roman Catholic
To add to my comment of four months ago:
••Ephesians 1: 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that YE BELIEVED, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the EARNEST of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
••Earnest is a term used for the down payment that you put towards a big purchase to show that you are serious about making that purchase.
••The Holy Spirit is our earnest payment securing our salvation.
*The only way that this could not apply is if a person made an open public profession of faith in Jesus Christ for ulterior reasons.
I do know that belief takes root in the mind and heart.
••Romans 2: 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (KJV)
Ephesians 4:30. someone give me a Bible verse where the Holy Spirit will unseal himself from us if we sin or if we choose to turn away from God.
Here are verses that tell us a person can be unsaved(Forfeited Salvation):
If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. -John 15:6
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" -Hebrews 10:26
How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:29 (insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself)
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they gall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame" - Hebrews 6:4-6
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22
But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. -Ezekiel 18:24
Here is a passage that say it happened already to some.
"Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again" -Romans 11:20-23
Here is a passage that say it will happen in the end times.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 Not one of your verses posted claim a saved person can be unsealed by God. You posted about NON saved people.
you also created a few contradictions with the scriptures YOU posted OUT of context. Rereading your post you clearly know nothing of 2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
@@tommy.1002 Tommy. (Part 1) Jesus said in Matthew "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." Here Jesus says that believers or anyone who got into error was from ignorance of the Scripture.
Again in John 10:27-28, what does Jesus mean when He said, "I know them" referring to His sheep? We see in 1 Corinthians 8:3 it says, "If anyone loves God, this one is known by Him."
The first thing is in Matthew 10 Jesus said that His sheep hear his voice, that means they listen to the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. The second thing is in 1 Corinthians 8:3 says if anyone loves God, He knows them. Now in John 14:21 Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves Me."
So when Jesus says, "I know them", He's means "they love Me, they keep My Word, the keep My commandments." When we put them all together we get:
(John 10:27) My sheep hear My voice, I know them. (1 Corinthians 8:3) If anyone loves God, He is known by Him. (John 14:21) Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves me. (John 10:28) I give them eternal life, they will never perish.
Now we see clearly who never perishes, who has eternal life. It's conditional. The person who hears the Word of God, keeps the Word of God, loves God, and follows God. That person will never perish.
Now can a person stop hearing God, stop following Him, stop loving Him and stop following Him? The answer is, yes.
In John 8:12 Jesus says, "I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." So what;s implied by that is, if we don't follow Him, we don;t have the light of Life. His sheep FOLLOW Him, His sheep HEARS His voice, His sheep are known by Him because they LOVE Him by keeping His Word. They will never perish.
So why is it important to know whether they can lose their salvation or not? It's very important because if people are taught they could never lose their salvation, they have no fear of God. And the Bible says that it is by the fear of the Lord that men depart from iniquity. Scripture says, the fear of the Lord is pure, and it endures forever(Psalm 19:9). The Bible says the fear of the Lord is a fountain of life(Proverbs 14:27). Whoever walks in the fear of God will abide in satisfaction, and will not be visited by evil(Proverbs 19:23).
So can a person lose their Salvation?
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
So to depart from the faith, you have to be in the faith. Why would you depart from the faith? Because they're listening to doctrines of demons. Where? In pulpits. The preacher who says that sin can never make you lose your salvation is being a mouthpiece of Satan in the church whether he knows it or not. Yes, Satan will set himself up in the church.
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22
In the line "knowledge of the Lord," the original word used here is the Greek word "Epignosis" which means "experiential knowledge," which means they had a real encounter with the Living Spirit of God. And through that real encounter with the Lord, through faith in Him, they experienced His presence. They escaped the bondage lust and corruption and started walking free from sin with God and then they turned back. This is further shown in verse 22 by the use of the proverb, "A dog return to his own vomit." Now they are in a worse condition and in verse 21 it says that it was better for them to not have been even known the Lord to just turn away from all goodness. It would have been better to never have known Christ and then just end up going to hell. Their damnation will be worse now because they knew the truth and yet turned away.
Now this again, I can never stress enough, is very important to understand. The OSAS teaching is dangerous because it makes lazy and complacent Christians and doesn't bring unrepentant sinners to genuine sorrow and contrition. Many young people nowadays, who grew up in church, were touched by the Lord, even prayed to receive Him, but got enticed by lusts of the world, then went away from God. The sad thing is, many parents or Christians are not concerned that their loved ones are on their way to eternal damnation, because they think that they're still saved anyway. We need to know the truth so that this will make us pray for them, and bring them back to the Lord.
Let's look at another passage.
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses." -Hebrews 10:26-28
Again we have the same Greek word epignosis used in the line, "knowledge of the truth." And in verse 29 it says,
"How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" -Hebrews 10:29
Insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself. This is when people sear their consciences and no longer feel guilty when they do wrong which is an evidence that the Holy Spirit has left that soul, removing His seal.
Now notice it says here that the blood of the covenant that sanctified the person, this clearly is a person who was saved and yet turned away. If this passage doesn't convince you that you can lose your salvation after being sanctified by the blood of Jesus, I don't know what will. If you think that this person is not going to hell only chastised or disciplined, open your eyes and read again because this whole passage, from verse 26-29 says this person has no more forgiveness and even has worse punishment awaiting in hell.
Now this clearly is saying that the person willfully returned to sinning after being sanctified by the blood of Christ and having knowledge of the truth. The author of Hebrews is saying how much worse punishment are you going to get for treating the blood of Christ with contempt. This however doesn't say that a willful sin cannot be forgiven, only the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. He's not talking about a sin, but a lifestyle of willful sin. All of us have probably sinned after we got saved but if you got sanctified by the blood of Christ and go back to a lifestyle of rebellion and willful sin, only then there would be no sacrifice left for you. The only thing waiting for you is punishment. For sure you can repent, but if you stay in willful sin and rebellion, and you die in your sins, then it is over for you, you don't get saved. This is why people need to know what true repentance is because if you plan to live a sinful lifestyle first then repent at the end, then it is not genuine and you have not been repentant in the first place. **Read the Topic: Repentance
Warning and Teaching
Colossians 1:28 says, "Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus"
The Gospel that Paul preached was full of warnings. We warn and we teach. This is one of those warnings:
"Be careful then, dear brothers and sisters. Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God. You must warn each other every day, while it is still “today,” so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God. For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ." -Hebrews 3:12-14
Paul is warning us because we know what can happen when we give place to the world, we begin compromise. We start hanging out with ungodly people and we expose ourselves to ungodliness. The Bible says evil companions corrupt good character, it is important who we hang out with. Paul was talking to his brothers and sisters in Christ, saved Christians, telling them that to warn each other not to be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin, for we have been partakers in Christ IF we remain faithful until the very end.
"Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." -2 John 1:8-11
Like Paul, the Apostle John also warns us about not losing what we have worked hard for which means it is possible to lose what you have gained so far because you can't lose what you don't have. If it wasn't possible to lose, the apostle wouldn't have said, "so that you may not lose" which means you may lose it.
"He who endures to the end will be saved." -Matthew 10:22
@@tommy.1002 (Part 2) Now we are saved by Grace through faith, and real Saving Faith has ACTION. Saving Faith changes the way we behave(this is true repentance, a new attitude). James 2:17-18 says,
"So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by ACTION, is DEAD. But someone will say, 'You have faith and I have deeds.' Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds."
In other words what we believe changes how we behave. If what we believe doesn't change the way we behave, we don't really believe it, then if you die of unbelief, we know where that leads. The Bible teaches us that we are saved by Faith and we are judged by our works because our works show what we believe. 2 Corinthians 5:10 says,
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his DEEDS in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."
Everyone will be rewarded or punished according to the good or bad deeds, which means our works. Jesus said,
"Behold, I come at once, and my reward is with me, and I shall give to every person according to his work."
In other versions it says "according to his deeds" and others say "according to what he has done." Our works show what we believe and if we don't have works that correspond with what we truly believe in our hearts, we don't truly believe it. John the Baptist said in Matthew 3:8,
"Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance" KJV
"Bear fruit in keeping with repentance" ESV
"Produce fruit worthy of repentance" BSB
"Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God." NLT
"Therefore produce fruit that proves your repentance" NET
John was talking to the Pharisees and Sadducees and in verse 9 he said to them,
"And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham."
He said to bring forth fruits. And in the next verse,
"every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire"
And this was repeated by Jesus in Matthew and in John:
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruit you will recognize them" -Matthew 7:19-20
"If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned." -John 15:6
Again Paul tells us,
"Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear." -Philippians 2:12
The next verse we look is Romans 2:4:
"Or do you despise the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?"
So here Paul tells us that we must not despise His kindness, forbearance and long-suffering with us when we are in sin. God is patient and kind because He is not willing that any should perish. God said in Ezekiel 33:11,
"I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked."
"But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:" -Romans 2:5
In verse 7 he's going to describe what saving faith looks like:
"to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life" -Romans 2:7
We see the Scripture cannot contradict itself. When it says we're saved by grace through faith, we indeed are, but that saving faith, when the Holy Spirit comes in us, there's a change in our heart and we're born again, we desire the Lord seeking only righteousness and truth, we hear His voice, we love God and follow Him. Saving faith looks like this. God will give eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seeking for glory, honor and immortality.
Now when we look into verses 8 and 9 we see what false faith looks like:
"But for those who are SELF-SEEKING and who REJECT the TRUTH and FOLLOW WICKEDNESS, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek"
And in verses 10-11 we end with,
"but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.
Another verse is John 15:5-7
"I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you."
Another verse is Romans 11:19-23
"You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again."
Here Paul is speaking about the Jews who didn't believe so then salvation went to the gentiles. Paul calls the Jews the "natural" branches olive tree, and us Gentiles as "wild" olive shoot. So the natural olive tree is Israel, but because of unbelief, they were broken off, meaning they fell away from God, the the Gospel went to the Gentiles and when they got saved, they were grafted in and became part of the tree. Here we see that if God didn't spare the natural branches, He may not spare us who grafted in either. God shows no favoritism or partiality towards anyone, for He is just and righteous. And in the middle of verse 22 we see it's conditional when we read, "IF you continue to remain in His goodness/kindness, otherwise you will also be cut off." Here Jesus clearly says that if you abide in Him and CONTINUE to abide in Him until the very end of course, and if you don't continue in Him, you will be a branch cut off and thrown into the fire. Likewise if the natural branches do not continue in unbelief, they will be restored.
James 5:19-20 "My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, consider this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover over a multitude of sins"
This tells us that Christians can wander from the truth, and if they do not repent, their soul will die when they would be cast into eternal fire which is the second death (Revelation 20:14)
The last Passage is Ezekiel 18:23-24,
"Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Would I not prefer he turn from his ways and live? But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, committing the same abominations as the wicked, will he live? None of the righteous acts he did will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness and sin he has committed, he will die"
Why would a Gospel preacher teach once saved always saved when throughout the Scriptures it says otherwise? If you take a few verses that when you take them out of context, misinterpret one or two of them, and ignore all the other warnings about losing your salvation, you could make a case for "once saved always saved" that sounds very appealing. Some are sincerely in teaching this but they're deceived. However there are others who are cunning, scheming, and wicked, and their motive evil. These people are wolves in sheep's clothing teaching men's doctrines.
"Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming." - Ephesians 4:14
Now how did this winds of doctrine come? How does Once saved Always Saved and other doctrines like there would be no more judgement after the cross, or the law was abolished because Jesus fulfilled it, and many more? The answer is by the trickery of men, in cunning craftiness and deceitful plotting. There are wicked men in pulpits, and everywhere. Some are world-famous, some on the internet, tv, radio, social media, and they have a large following.
So we must become people who regularly read and study the Bible for our selves, to feed our souls, and to mature and saturate our lives with God's Holy Spirit through His Word. We are secure when we are following Jesus, and when we stop following Him, we start nervous and uncomfortable, and we should. It's God's gift called conscience, when the Holy Spirit convicts us of our wrong doing, He is telling us that we are straying away and must come back to the straight narrow path. If someone stops following Jesus and feels comfortable, they are in big danger because it seams they have seared their conscience. Our conscience is the sealing of the Holy Spirit, and once you get drunk on false doctrines you become deaf to the voice of the Spirit, and you cut off the only hotline to God. This false doctrines sears our conscience so you can live in sin comfortably and that's a dangerous place to be.
Summary
So far we have Scripture that tells us we can lose our faith, and thus salvation, these are:
John 15:1-6, Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-6, 2 Peter 2:20-22, Ezekiel 18:24, Matthew 7:19-20, John 15:6, 1 John 1:8-11 Romans 2:5,
And the passage that tells us it already happened to some in the past:
Romans 11:20-23
And the passage that tells us it will happen in the future is:
1 Timothy 4:1
@@tommy.1002 (Pat 3) Refuting OSAS
In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is simply saying God saves us because He wants to and not because we do good works, and this is to refute the thinking that we can earn salvation by works(works-based salvation). This doesn't talk about not losing your salvation, just tells us how one gets saved - by grace and mercy of God.
Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 1:13 also talks about the sealing of the Holy Spirit upon receiving salvation but it doesn't talk about not losing the sealing or salvation.
John 3:16 talks about receiving salvation by believing but doesn't talk about not losing faith or salvation. We can choose to believe now and not believe tomorrow, this is what 1 Timothy 4:1 talks about people losing from the faith. In John 8
John 10:27-28 talks about no one able to snatch the sheep which seems like OSAS but when we go through the Scriptures we get the answer.
(John 10:27) My sheep hear My voice, I know them. (1 Corinthians 8:3) If anyone loves God, He is known by Him. (John 14:21) Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he is the one who loves me. (John 10:28) I give them eternal life, they will never perish.
And we clearly see that these are those who hears the Word of God, keeps the Word of God, loves God, and follows God are the ones who will not perish. This means those who stop hearing, keeping the Word and following God, and die in their sin, they will perish.
Supporting Scriptures:
John 8:12, Psalm 19:9, Proverbs 14:27, Proverbs 19:23, Colossians 1:28, Hebrews 3:12-14, Matthew 10:22, James 2:17-18, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Matthew 3:8, Philippians 2:12, James 5:19-20, Ephesians 4:14
A Message of Concern
It's possible to take a few isolated verses and ignore all these other verses we talk about here, and quote:
John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
Ephesians 1:13 "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit"
And when you take these verses and teach a nice package message and is someone who doesn't read and study their Bible, hears this message, you can deceive them into thinking once saved always saved. There are millions who are already deceived. And if you think you can't be deceived, chances are you already are. So if people hear a message with just these verses that show security, they don't understand it, but it will sound good to them. This creates lazy, complacent, Christians who are in error and go into a lifestyle of sin thinking they're eternally saved and can never be lost. This false confidence that people are going to heaven no matter what, is a great deception because of doctrines of demons.
Final Words and Encouragement
Now this doesn't mean that if you sin after you have accepted Christ and chose to follow His ways, that you lose your salvation. We all stumble and make mistakes because we still are not perfect, however we have a new attitude towards sin, and new desires to go after God. We no longer should want to do willful sin. If your heart is to love God and to follow Jesus, you are secure and God will keep you, but if you depart from the faith, willfully go into sin and rebellion or go back to a sinful lifestyle, you are in grave danger. God doesn't want anyone to perish, even if His children stumble and fall, He's not willing that any should perish. Yes we do stumble from time to time, however it should not be willful sin, we still have our sinful nature and we have our weak moments, but we must remain in faith and persevere until the very end. But we must know that truth that God is not to be trifled with, He doesn't play games, so we must be genuine in our hearts, in our faith, believing in His Word, acting on His Word, and following Him until the end. A Final scripture that encourages us is Hebrews 12:1,
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith, let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with patience/endurance/perseverance the race God has set before us."
This is the final passage which I did not include in my argument but rather I use as an appeal. Paul is a perfect example of someone who endured till the end, therefore we must follow his example and this is what we want to say ourselves, in 2 Timothy 4:6 he says:
"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith."
And at the end of this race, this earthly life, The Lord will tell us,
"Well done good and faithful servant."
Let's face it, we're all going to die in sin. The difference being we have a Mediator.
Not true
No such thing as dying in sin. ALL sins been already judged at the cross. Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
@@tommy.1002 Some will die in their sins according to the words of Jesus.
John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and 👉shall die in your sins:👈 whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye 👉shall die in your sins:👈 for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
@@ccookRomans you really ripped these verses out of context. NO ONE WHO IS SAVED will die in sins. Your own post supports my claim! John 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. LOOK CLOSE! that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. See it? NOT saved people! Saved people do NOT die in their sins. They were already judged at the cross.
@@tommy.1002 I agree, I was only responding to what you said. You said, "No such thing as dying in sin". So I simply showed you that there is a such thing as dying in sin.
Amazing concise explanation. Thank you!
But isn't doing his will simply believing on christ? as it says somewhere to paraphrase; "this is the will of him that sent me, that all would look to the son and believe on him" etc
For everyone who think *Once Saved Always Saved * to never say it again ; for you'll see hell 100 % .Here is the most powerful example (the whole scripture is support it though):
Rev22:12 Behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me,
to give to every man according as his work shall be.
Unless you obey the whole scripture you're denying the WORD of MOST HIGH and the whole scripture . Please brothers and sisters do not listen to false prophets and be obedient and not disobedient . Shalom
Revelation is not church doctrine.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I KNOW that I am saved. But, I still sin often in thought, word, and deed. I thank God for His grace since I am a very flawed person.
1 John 3:4-8 says
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 2:3-6 says
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
I get what youre saying, we are all dirty filthy rags. still its not a license to sin :)
So what about Saul in the Old Testament, was he not saved? What about David when he committed adultery what did he “forfeit”? Matthew 7:21-23 is literally speaking against works bc the will of the father is to believe on Christ (John 6:47). 2 Timothy 2:13 says even when we’re faithless he is faithful. Are you saying the blood of Jesus wasn’t enough and that we have to depend on our works? Disappointing
Of course Dr. James White needs to respond to this.
He has to? Who's Dr white ? The Reformed Pope?! He tries to "responde" to everyone and "correct" everyone, but when someone corrects him then he feels betrayed and attacked. He doesn't have to respond, Dr White had schooled Dr James many times in every debate they've had.
I was waiting for Dr Brown to show scripture saying or showing you can lose your salvation. He didn’t show one.
To back up this videos teaching...
Hebrews 6: 4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and WHO HAVE FALLEN AWAY, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
In simple...people who once new God and were saved but have WILFULLY Chosen now for whatever reason to turn away from God....they will lose the ability to repent. And if you cannot repent you cannot be saved. Salvation was not taken from them, they gave it up when turning away from Christ.
Let it be known that only the regenerate (believer) can repent of their sins. Can an unbeliever repent (turn from his sins) before he believes the Gospel message knowing that he has been forgiven? See Rom. 10:14
2nd Timothy chapter 2 verse 13; "If we are Faithless , He [Jesus] remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself." Many false prophets come out of the Church, having knowledge of the Gospel but end up rejecting it, even after having tasted of the Goodness of the Spirit , they have gone their own way preaching another False Gospel, deceiving Many. It is better for them to have never known the way of Righteousness to begin with. They truly were never Saved.
"If you want to *follow* the Lord, He's promised to keep you [this is with you implying in the video that if you don't follow, He won't keep....]". Alright. Where is this stated or implied by God in the Bible???
What about "if you endure until the end you'll be saved?" Maybe that doesn't mean those who do are saved, but those who did truly were saved.
JESSE D
that's the verse I thought of as well. I don't focus much on who is saved or not saved, I focus on who lives by and keeps the faith.
JESSE D
We are save.
We are being save.
We will be save.
That’s for the Jews during tribulations
Endure til the end, explained!
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@@jefferaimer :As long as you endure to the end!.We can not alter what is already written by Our Lord Jesus Christ himself!.You must remain faithful and do what God demands from you!.We all love to acknowledge what God has accomplished through His grace but we are spiritually lazy when it comes to doing the things that God demands from us!.
I usually agree with you. I'm not a Calvinist. Dr. White is incorrect.
I have to disagree here.
John 10:28
Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30
Are you insinuating that I after being born again, receiving a new spirit in Christ, being indwelled and sealed by God, the Holy Spirit, have the ability to now remove the Holy Spirit and take back my old spirit of sin nature?
I can pluck myself out of God's hand?
No one, not even Satan has that ability!
God remains faithful even when I am not.
My sins, past, present and future are remembered no more.
So Jesus is a liar?
Nay, I trust in Him and His Word.
He bought me. I surrendered to Him.
I may backslide into a living hell on Earth, yet I am His, one of the Elect.
Romans 6:1
While we should not live according to the flesh and sin, we all do.
And yes, is essence grace would increase!
IMHO, you and so many seem to lack full faith in the Almighty God. He is all powerful and His blood is more than sufficient.
God requires blood for the remission of any and all sins.
Jesus did more on the cross than I think most full realize and appreciate. It is so powerful.
God is just, but His mercy is unrelenting and He desires that none shall perish.
Saved by the free gift of Grace through faith in the finished (perfect) work of the Son.
Well put sir
Amen! I so agree with you on this! Myself as well was raised SB and always believed one could loose there salvation! Now, today I understand that my sins were forgiven when I accepted Christ! Past future AND present! I feel so many don't come to Christ for this reason alone because they feel too Filthy! The time draweth Nigh! Praise God
@Sha' anan no not at all!!...I never said anything about not repenting! I repent constantly because I do sin the flesh as does everyone else, I'm just saying that I won't go to hell because now I understand more now than I did wayyy back. I grew weary back then because after being saved, try as I might, I was always committing a sin rather it be a bad thought, a curse word, being jealous, sexual immorally ( sex outside marriage)...so back then I wasn't taught correctly. If I died and hadn't repented of a sin, I would go to hell! I was raised to believe you could loose your salvation when actually you cannot! Saved by Grace through Faith! ...GRACE + NOTHING. = SALVATION!!..
Here are verses that tell us a person can be unsaved:
If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. -John 15:6
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" -Hebrews 10:26
How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace? - Hebrews 10:29 (insulting the Holy Spirit is blaspheming Him and is the unforgivable sin that causes one to lose salvation when He unseals Himself)
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they gall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame" - Hebrews 6:4-6
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog return to his own vomit," and , "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." -2 Peter 2:20-22
But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. -Ezekiel 18:24
Here is a passage that say it happened already to some.
"Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again" -Romans 11:20-23
Here is a passage that say it will happen in the end times.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" -1 Timothy 4:1
@@yeshuasfootsoldier9407 More works salvation huh?
I love most of your teachings Dr Brown, but I have to strongly disagree here. You are contradicting yourself, you can't say that He keeps us, forgives all our sins, will never forsake us and will not turn away any of those that come to Him in faith and then say that if you divorce and remarry then you are lost... that's absurd. I agree that we shouldn't divorce and we should always strive not to sin, but if we sin we have a Savior, a mediator, an intercessor, a High Priest, a propitiation for all our sins, that's why He died so we don't have to. If we turn from Him and renounce our faith completely then we were never of Him, we never truly made a decision for Him, we never truly received Him (and please note that I am NOT a Calvinist, I actually hate Calvinism, I think it's heresy). Also, we can be lost for a little while and He will bring us back through the Holy Spirit who seals us until the day of redemption, but a true believer will never truly (in his heart) deny Him. Peter didn't deny Jesus in his heart, he denied him because of fear and we are not saved by our courage, we are saved only by grace through faith and salvation is a gift from God. If we have to work to maintain it, it was never a gift, to begin with. We work and we follow His teaching because we believe in Him, we love Him and we think that those teachings are good and we desire to follow His commandment (which is to love) but nobody can keep their salvation by not sinning or by doing good works or nobody would be saved because we all still sin despite our best efforts and, again salvation is a gift received by faith alone. Also, if you truly believe in Him and have received the Holy Spirit, you will hate your sin and will strive to avoid sinning and to do good works but the scenario you mentioned here of a person who will completely deny Christ or would want to sin without being convicted of it and without desiring to obey Him, that person is not a Christian. God bless.
Also, the will of the Father (as you mentioned it in the video) is "to believe in the One whom He sent".
Flat out wrong interpretation of Matthew 7:21, because according to John 6:40 the will of the Father is that you believe on Jesus Christ, and John 6:39 says Jesus will never lose you after that.
Lost and forfiited the same meaning?
If you can lose salvation by "running off with the other lady" 1:55 then it IS ''by works of righteousness which we have done'', and it IS ''of ourselves'' and not by grace! Remove Eph 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 from the Bible, and a hundred others. You very subtly condone and agree with Lordship Salvation since you say we have to do something other than trust in what Jesus did for us through the death, burial, and resurrection, to receive salvation. If it is 99% Jesus and 1% us, then it is not the true gospel of grace, but has a tint of doctrines of devils. If it is 99% Jesus effort and 1% our effort, Paul's preaching was in vain and false.
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
1Peter 3:12
When we truly understand and accept grace through Jesus Christ, then that grace will NEVER drive us toward sin but away from it for we have been made a new creation! His grace, love, mercy and power through the Holy Ghost, will give us the strength to pursue a holy and righteous life in His eyes and according to His word. It is therefore impossible for one to boast of his own "righteousness" or works because it is not done by his own strength but by the strength of God and to Him be all the glory!
Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16
You are teaching a works salvation and have not believed in Jesus for the free gift of eternal life. Go back and read the book of John.
U aren’t rightly dividing
We must keep our eyes on Jesus he is the author and finisher of our faith and he will direct our path straight and you will realize and say look what the Lord has done instead of saying look at what I have done for the Lord no one can live up to the word of God we all fall short that's why we all need Jesus I hear people say give your life to the Lord but Jesus gave his life for us he wants us to lay down our life that he may live his life through us to as many as received him to them gave he the power to become the children of God.the trap is thinking we can live up to the word of God when only God can live up to his word all anyone can do is trust the Lord Jesus and know that he is faithful
If you believe you can “turn away” from Jesus you are trusting in yourself for salvation. I trust in Jesus. He saved me despite myself
The apostles Paul and Peter gave the correct perspective on salvation: *it is something we hope for, to be received in the future:*
According to Paul, during this mortal life we have "the hope of salvation" and are "appointed . . . to obtain salvation":
⚫ "But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:8,9; Paul did not tell them they were already "saved.")
Here's Peter, saying "shall be" saved - in the future:
⚫ "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." (Acts 15: 11)
In fact, Jesus tells us we must endure to the end to be saved:
⚫ "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." (Matthew 10:22)
We'll be saved - saved from ever perishing in death - when we actually receive the promised gift of eternal life at Jesus' return. Paul explained this in 1 Corinthians 15:42-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. Short of receiving the gift of eternal life, we will surely *perish in death, losing everything, very much unsaved!*
Salvation - eternal life - is a grace promised to us, to be received at Jesus' "revelation" or return:
⚫ "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (1 John 2:25)
⚫ "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;" (1 Peter 1:13)
*Justification and salvation are two different things, at different times:*
In this mortal life we may enter *justification,* but we will not be *saved* until we receive eternal life at Jesus' return.
⚫ "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." (Paul, in Romans 5:9; another example of "shall be" saved.)
"By his blood" a person may enter justification; "through him" that person shall be saved. "Through him" means through a relationship with Him. Remember Jesus' words about those who had preached in His name, and had "cast out devils," and had "done many wonderful works"? Jesus warned what he would say to them:
⚫ "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23)
Not only must we know Him: we must continue to abide in Him:
⚫ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6)
So, how do we enter justification? *Through* faith (Ephesians 2:8) that God exists and rewards (Hebrews 11:6) we may then choose to obey and "come to God" (Hebrews 11:6) on His terms: in repentance. For that we receive His promised mercy:
⚫ "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30)
⚫ "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." (Proverbs 28:13)
So, what is the mercy promised in Proverbs 28:13? Our past sins will be blotted out:
⚫ "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV).
A believer - a person who through faith has come to God, confessing and forsaking sin - has been "purged from his old sins" (2 Peter 1:9). Believers have "remission of sins that are past" (Romans 3:25). They have redemption - by grace - from the death penalty they had earned for past sins:
⚫ "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23).
Believers have been saved from hopelessness. They are no longer under condemnation, no longer under the death penalty already earned as the "wages" of their past sins. That redemption was made possible "by his blood" as we saw in Romans 5:9: Jesus made His death available to cover our death penalty.
With past sins that separated us from God (Isaiah 59:1,2) erased, and no longer under condemnation, we enter *justification,* reconciled with God, no longer separated from God. Now we can begin a new life, "times of refreshing" in "the presence of the Lord" as we saw in Acts 3:19:
⚫ "Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord" (Acts 3:19, NKJV).
And how are we in "the presence of the Lord"? Through the gift of the holy spirit, given to those who obey and come to God in repentance:
⚫ "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." (Acts 5:32)
⚫ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
Through the holy spirit Jesus guides us out of slavery to sin and into His righteousness, overcoming slavery to sin. This is how we are made ready to receive the gift of eternal life and to inherit the Kingdom of God. Creation is not finished: sons and daughters for the Father's eternal family are being created, right now, through Jesus. He is the potter, we are the clay:
⚫ "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (Jesus, in Revelation 3:19)
A relationship with Him
⚫ " . . . yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby" (Hebrews 12:11).
⚫ "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." (Revelation 21:7)
We can not make the journey along the "narrow way" (Matthew 7:14) that leads to life without His help. And that journey can neither begin nor continue without our repentance, abiding in Him.
Outside of repentance, we receive no mercy and no redemption; we will surely perish in death, paying our own death penalty. And outside of repentance, we can not be made ready to receive the gift of eternal life. For those reasons Jesus warned:
⚫ " . . . except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:5)
Peter makes it clear: we either come to repentance, or we perish:
⚫ "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9).
*Nothing about "faith alone" there!* Jesus told His disciples to preach repentance and remission of sins, not "faith alone," not "faith + nothing = salvation"! (Luke 24:45-47)
We have free will, and it is possible for us to return to a life of sin, no longer in repentance and no longer abiding in Him. In that case, we have "fallen away" from justification, no longer on the "narrow way" that leads to life.
*That's why the apostles gave all those warnings* not to "fall away" and not to "fail of the grace of God." To "give diligence to make your calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10,11). To "continue in his goodness" or else be "cut off" (Romans 11:19-22).
⚫ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1)
Here is a list of similar verses:
⚫ 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Paul understood he could possibly return to sin and be a "castaway"
⚫ 2 Peter 2:20-22 Even after knowing Him it is possible to return to a life of sin, and end up worse than before
⚫ Hebrews 10:26,27 If we return to a life of sin . . .
⚫ Hebrews 6:4-6 We can "fall away" even after receiving the holy spirit
⚫ Hebrews 12:14,15 We can "fail of the grace of God"
⚫ Revelation 3:5 and 22:19 Our names CAN be blotted out of the book of life
⚫ Hebrews 3:12-14 "if"
⚫ Colossians 1:21-23 "if"
⚫ Romans 8:13,14 "if"
⚫ Luke 12:45,46 Jesus warned what would happen to servants who returned to sin
⚫ John 15:6 Jesus warned what would happen to those who fail to abide in Him
So it's by works. Dude. You're confusing. Ugh