Every time I would try to purchase the Cloud9 saddle, it would be unavailable. So by default I instead bought the Bikeroo. I put it on my DJ Bikes folding step thru, and have now got over 500 miles logged on the seat. It’s very comfortable, and once I got the springs set at my happy place, I feel super confident while riding. It’s a great bike saddle!
I am using the Bikeroo more than my Cloud 9 at the moment due to the shorter nose and lighter weight. They felt the same to me when I first got the Bikeroo, but now after a few miles I think its actually a little softer than the Cloud 9. Both are great seats!
I have the same Cloud9 seat. I weigh about 229lbs. The saddle is very comfortable and will absorb the bumps without a suspension seatpost; especially on my Lectric XP (my opinion). I did try the Zoom suspension seatpost with the Cloud9 and the ride was too bouncy. The max weight of the post was about 220lbs. I like a firm saddle without too much bounce from my rides. Overall, the Cloud9 will provide a comfortable ride without using an suspension seatpost. Again, this is only my opinion.
I think you can adjust the bouncy level of the zoom,using allen key by rotating it(the metal cylinder with the allen key slot) away from the seatpost edge,nearer to your saddle(,it will make the spring harder.)
Responding to an old post, but just wants to say thx. I'm looking for a new seat setup for my wife on her XP Lite2, was debating Cloud 9 with a suspension seatpost vs w/o one.
I have both, and can't really tell much difference. Both are great seats. I added a gel cover, and that really add an extra measure of comfort on 15+ mile treks.
If you are going to be using a suspension seatpost go with the indoor versions of the seats, you don't have to worry about the inevitable squeak squeak, and it feels the same! 254lb guy and I love the Bikeroo.
A big difference is the weight of the rider! When your whole body is perched on a pad and you weigh over 250 a big and wide perch is going to reduce numb bum a lot. These lightweight athletic types could sit on a broom handle all day…I found an hour on the stock mtb saddle was getting really hard to bear. I think I’ll go with Bikeroo for being shorter (and lighter).
You are so right! Love the 'broomstick' part, haha! Also, some people can get used to a thinner seat after a few rides, but if things are going numb, it's probably best to not really try to get used to something like that. Thanks for commenting!
Hey just wondering which seat you bought as I am looking for a wider seat as I am not *tiny* . I need padded plus width. Any ideas would be great cuz not having much luck
Good Video . . . sounds like you saw my 2 videos on the long haul comparing these 2 seats. I agree with your comparison. I felt that it was pretty much a tradeoff when comparing comfort. Where the Bikeroo let me down was durability in that the cover started splitting (on both sides) at the nose after 1500 miles of riding and the Cloud 9 is still holding up at 2000+ miles.
Yes!! You did an awesome comparison telling of your riding mileage on each. I would not have know about the durability issue had I not seen your video on it. Glad to hear that the Cloud 9 can do 2000 miles! It blows me away on how much riding you are able to do.
Well, price. And if that deters seat theft. Maybe that is a cost incentive. It's not like I care what something under my ass looks like. Shiny gets the short rangers though.
Thanks so much for the support! I really appreciate it. The combo of the post and Bikeroo seat will definitely make the ride a lot more comfortable. Safe riding!
I think it is worth mentioning that the quality of a bike seat- whether avoiding perineum pain or "sit point" cushioning is in my opinion less dependent on bulk, weight, saddle springs and "cushiness" , then on the design, materials, technology and individual fit. Seat adjustment fore and aft and up and down can also make some difference in comfort. Also, padded bike shorts can also help somewhat. A suspension post may also help absorb bumps. If you are finding your bike seat uncomfortable, you should probably find a bike store with a good seat catalog and let them help you find the best option and adjustments. You may have to try out a number of seats in search of the best fit.
Thanks for your excellent review. My first upgrade for my XP 1.0 will be Cloud 9 and Zoom suspension seat post. I’ve put 700 miles on original seat and haven’t had a problem at all with its comfort but after viewing so many YT reviews and recommendations for these upgrades, why not? Especially if I can find both for such low costs!
Good choice! I agree 100%. I decided to start selling the ZOOM posts on my website specifically because for such a low cost, it really helps absorb the bumps that give me back pain after a lot of riding. I normally lift off the seat when riding on rougher areas, but electric bikes tend to make me more lazy about standing and using my legs to absorb the shocks of the road.
Have you tested the YLG extra large seat? i tested this seat and found it to be extremely comfortable, even on 100 plus miles of continuous riding (including peddling) an ebike.
Run a small inexpensive cable lock thru the bars under the seat and down to the frame to deter someone from releasing the quick release and taking your seat and seatpost.
I know im randomly asking but does any of you know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly forgot my account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Julio Reginald Thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
The Cloud 9 with the, its called Black Lycra top is really nice. But best seat of all, i dont think they make it anymore is the Vitesse Deluxe Cruiser seat.
Good review of a few seats, one other low-tech option for making your seat less tempting to thieves is to just put a plastic grocery bag over it, sort of the garbage bike look. I found the stock Lectric XP seat nearly unbearable but like you it's one of the first things I replace. Personally I use a Brooks B-17 with a Thudbuster ST seatpost and it's been awesome. Cheers!
WOW! Great combo! The Brooks B-17 doesn't look that soft as I don't see a lot of padding, but it sure looks amazingly classy. Is it softer than the stock Lectric XP seat? The Thudbuster STseat post is awesome so I guess you wouldn't need a softer seat. With the price tag on your seat and post combined, I don't know if I would be comfortable with a trash bag though, lol. My less expensive setup I think would be ok in my area for a look that would not make it desirable as a deterrent. I think I would switch out the quick release with a nut and bolt release if I had your seat and post or still take them in the store with me or even the whole bike in the store if I could get permission to do so. Thanks for the idea!
@@EbikeProducts The B-17 is great on comfort, because it is tensioned leather you get support without pressure. I think the comfort seat market is interesting as you really need to know how your sit bones are oriented. My local bike shop used to carry a special memory foam you would sit on and you can see and measure where your sit bones press down. A big cushy seat without support at the sit bones will get uncomfortable really fast. The Thudbuster works well. My comment on the bag was just for a theft deterrent, I just take my seat and seatpost off and put it in my backpack. Have a good one.
I wish I knew there was a senior seat! Just looked it up and you are right, I like the look better too without the white trim and branding on it. I read that the senior seat is softer too which has got to be like sitting on a pillow. Very smart of Bikeroo to add that to their selection. I definitely would've mentioned it had I known as I think it will be one of the top selling seats around. Thanks for commenting and bringing that seat to my attention. I am so curious to find one to feel the difference!
Just bought Bikeroo seat way better than stock. The bikeroo seat also advertised for a seniors bike seat I would like more comfort. Maybe I’ll try cloud 9 down the road. We own Two Elements and were having fun ! Good video shows someone cares 👍🏻
Just tried the bikaroo and have to say I want as impressed as I thought I would be. My stock Biktrix seat feels better. I’m now waiting for the cloud nine to arrive.
Yeah, me too. At the moment, I think its the best comfort you can get for the price. There are a lot more expensive posts and seats, but this combo works so well I don't need to spend more. Thanks for watching and commenting!
My ecotric hammer came with a suspension seatpost. I had to take it off because I'm not tall enough. What a hassle that was. I bought the Cloud 9 seat but I don't think this brings do anything if you have Springs I should not have to adjust them so they work it's like you have to loosen it to have more spring and then it's loose you can't tighten it there's something wrong with the Cloud 9 Springs that you can't adjust them you shouldn't even have to adjust Springs! I need the Springs cuz I don't have nor can I use the suspension seat post I'm only 5'8 on a 6'2 bike. I've fallen off so many times it's ridiculous cuz I got one leg now and it's my wheelchair way better than a wheelchair and when you got one leg it's way easier to get on and off you don't have to put your leg over it LOL
WHOA! That sounds like a super comfy setup. Top that seat and post off with fat tires and you can probably ride forever without discomfort. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I guess my butt must be weird. I bought a zoom suspension post and find that it and the stock Lectric 2.0 seat is perfectly comfortable. I go for 2-3 hour rides with absolutely no discomfort.
Yes. Just my personal opinion but I think it would easily make it cross country. Even though I believe the older models (1.0 and 2.0) would probably make it, you’d definitely want the newer models (3.0 or XPedition) if you haven’t already bought one. I think the XPedition is an ebike made for a challenge like that and would perform well. I’m not sure about the XPremium, as I have never ridden or reviewed one, but a mid-drive could definitely utilize the gearing well for the ride and range efficiency. The XPedition dual batteries would be a great help with range and as the design was made to prevent motor burnout, I feel it’s the most reliable for that kind of journey. Plus it can really haul a lot of weight, so if you carry extra batteries or cargo, it would be better size of a bike to do so. I’d highly recommend Flatout or some other premium tire sealant as well as you can tell I really believe in the stuff.
I love my XP 3.0 high step. I have it all decked out... Lol! But the seat sucks! I've watched all kinds of reviews and I think cloud9 is the way to go along with the Lectric shock seatpost I already have, this should save my ass. Thank you!
I love my XP 3.0... it takes me all over the twin City area where I live and then some! I highly believe in the quality that Lectric delivers. but there's so many other brands so do your research before you pull the trigger so to speak. I'm curious to know what you bought, if you have done so already. you think like me, I'm ready to get out of Dodge for awhile. LOL
The original Bikeroo was very squeaky and noisy, and after about 50 miles became even worse. One of the springs had collapsed. Bikeroo sent a replacement immediately, and for two miles the replacement was quieter. Then it became really squeaky again, quite intolerable. So I binned it. It seems very cheaply made and not sturdy.
There is another Bikeroo seat that you should have compared the cloud9 seat to. Bikeroo makes a seat with Memory Foam that is a much softer seat to the touch. Also the Bikeroo seat has a split opening in it. So I am not sure it is a good comparison.
Thanks for the tip! I haven’t seen the Bikeroo model with memory foam. Would you happen to have a link? I thought the one I showed in the video was their best. If there is one with actual memory foam, that would definitely be softer. Since it’s so similar to the Cloud 9, a softer seat cushion with memory fin would definitely be a huge advantage over the Cloud 9.
It is evident that many re-detect the advantages of sit up-bikes. These make sense in conjunction with wider and more cushioned seats. A narrow "butt-crack seat" on a sit-up bike is torture. We will also see the comeback of steel frames, and rim brakes, and partially internal gear hubs. Let's make a bet on it!
I need to get my bike seat pushed back as far as it will go so that my knees are more over the pedals. Can you tell me --- with the seats pushed back on the post as far as they will go, what is the length of the seat as it overhangs from the post to the back end of the seat? I'm desparate for this info. Thanks inadvance. Oh, I love your reviews
I have the new Lectric XP Lite 2.0 JW Black. Got the Cloud 9 seat (in the video) and the zoom suspension seat post. Makes a big difference from the stock seat and post…. I weigh 195 lbs, how the heck do you adjust the seat post?? I know about the Allen on the bottom of the post, but is there a “formula” or something based on the rider’s weight, or do you just spend hours screwing it in and out until you figure it out or give up and just leave it as it came???? (The cloud 9 seat is comfortable though)!!
so petty but i hate all the markings and logos on the cloud 9 seat..... bikeroo looks way cleaner. just bought a beach cruiser didn't even know suspension posts were a thing, i'll have to see if my bike has one, if not that sounds like another must add
Yeah, I think Cloud9 really should be a little more discreet about their bold branding too. If you decide to get a suspension post, just make sure you get the sizing right. Some companies don't allow returns for getting the wrong size.
you said to make sure that the Bikeroo Oversized Bike Seat has springs for outside . why is that .the reason im asking is because Bikeroo said the other one with the Elastomer Springs is great for outside also. please give me your reasons thanks
Although the Elastomer Springs are also good for outside too, according to other reviews I read (I think on Amazon reviews) the one with springs were much better for outdoor use and the elastomer springs better for stationary indoor bikes. I honestly do not have first hand knowledge/experience myself testing the 2, but when doing my research before making my purchase, this was something that I took a mental note about.
I'll probably be adding it to mine too (if it ever gets here). I wasn't sure if the dropper post would work well with it. Have you found any issues with the Cloud 9 interfering with the dropper post functionality?
@@EbikeProducts I was wondering if you received your blackbird yet. I've watched all your videos and I knew you picked the blackbird. Cloud 9 works wonderfully on the dropper post with no issues. When are you supposed to receive your blackbird?
@@EbikeProducts while wedding on my blackbird I purchased the juiced scorpion. Now that I have the black bird the scorpion gets less riding time. big difference between the 2 bikes. Black bird is way lighter way more power/torque
@@tylertyler3588 According the the Boltonebikes status webpage, the 24" Blackbirds started shipping out last week on 3/22. I am in that batch of Blackbirds but have not received a tracking number for my bike yet so I am not sure. I was hoping to be one of the early in the batch, but it doesn't look like it. I will definitely be posting videos when I find out more. Seeing comments like yours and others in the Bolton facebook group gets me super excited! I haven't tried doing a live video and I think I will do my first live video if possible on the day I get it. I already told my work that I will be taking a vacation day (or 2) soon when the bike is expected to arrive.
I just bought the Comfort seat that Lektric carries for its new XP2.It cost me $99. I was mainly after the sprin action on the pole. I didnt mond the stok XP seat that much either. In fact this new one feels kinda funny. It needs adjustment. I feel like Im sliding off the front of it. But it will be while. I had a rear blowout the first day. And I dont have a clue how to fix a flat on a rear tire. Could I call AAA, haha.Ive never called them for anything else.
@@frederickacampbell6129 I think I may have a typo in there. Not sure what I was talking about actually, lolol. I got the comfort seat but only used it a couple times. With my weight it bottoms out and I even tightened the spring with a socket wrench.
YOu didn't say anything about the difference in the nose - the cloud 9 (this version of it) has a cutout which may be easier on the private parts. The Bikeroo only had an indentation. Ironically, I am trying to replace my old Cloud 9 because it's causing me pain in the groin area --- it actually looks like the Bikeroo - with just an indentation rather than a nearly full cutout
Sorry, I haven't tried either of those. From what I see in the pictures online of the 625, the width of the seat will help to improve comfort for sure, but I can't tell how soft it is. The 820 looks like a softer sporty style seat and looks like it would be great for those who like to pedal a lot.
Added the Cloud 9 to my e-bike recently, and found it creaks and squeaks as I ride (doesn't do it if I'm not pedalling) so I have tightened the bolts under the seat including those under the springs, but it still creaks and squeaks as I ride. On gravel trails the road noise is loud enough for it to not bother me 'too' much, but on pavement it's driving me crazy! Anyone have a fix?
I have been trying to read comments on these two seats to see which one i will purchase. I ran into a comment that was of a guy having the same problem your having. He was able to fix it, he said the squeaks are coming from the nose underneath where the plastic and the metal bar touch, he put clothe tape around the metal and that put an end to that irritating noise. he took a picture of it but i could not find it. It was on amazon comment some where. Hope it helps. I might just half to buy both to leave my own honest comment.
@@vixenvendettaofficial Yes, I found a 'sale' Amazon was having one time, where the Bikeroo seats where asking $15.00 & change, so I have one sitting on my desk currently, of which I haven't tried yet. I did take my Vise Grips, and swelled the metal part you mentioned, which worked for a while, but it's back to squeaking again, so I'll have to do it again! My thinking on the Bikeroo, is to add a suspension seat post 'Suntour NCX' as it's suppose to take most of the bumps out of riding, which would be nice, especially on longer rides, as I've been on some around 40 miles, and the bumps do tend to get tiring. Thanks for the reply!
Does anyone have a comment regarding how these two seats feel against the Taint? That’s where all MY discomfort comes from.😩 Any suggestions for a 288lbs guy with a sensitive taint?
It's been a while since I made that video and I think the cloud nine is holding up better than the bikeroo now. Both are still great, but the Cloud 9 material seems stronger.
LOL. I don’t know how much softer a seat can really get without being ‘gushy’ to the point you’d have a lot of horizontal movement when riding. I’ve found that as i keep riding, my lower cheeks starts to get used to the seats and less uncomfortable. A couch soft seat would be awesome though!
This is the best test you need to find someone to squeeze the bike set and your butt to find out if a muscle butt versus a fat butt who is the most comfortable after a half hour riding on those sets that is most important 🫣🤓🫠 seriously 😒.
The tilt can be adjusted with most seat posts. The standard position on the seat clamp rails are designed to be level on most seat posts, but posts like the zoom suspension posts have adjustable seat angles built in.
Not yet. According to the Bolton site, my batch of Blackbirds started shipping last week. I am hoping to see a tracking code any day now! It’s only been 9 months and 3 days since my order was placed. I am now trying to figure out where I am going to park it when it arrives.
very good review However audio is terrible. too much bass perhaps? sounds like you're speaking in a tunnel. A bit difficult to understand on my Bose speakers especially if I turn up the volume. Otherwise I enjoy your videos and learn from them...
Sorry about that. It took a long time to finally get a better lapel mic. I totally agree with you and cringe when having to go back to the older videos. I have a lapel now and a better idea what works decently, but still put on my birthday wishlist for better audio equipment like the Rode wireless 2 mics and a better indoor home mic. Hopefully you will like the more recent video's audio better and my future improvements can do even more to clean it up. I appreciate the feedback!
I have a cloud ☁️ 9 set and yes it still hurts my butt and I am sure it’s because I don’t have a muscle butt, I am old so my butt is soft and yes I have a spring loaded set post it doesn’t help seriously 😳 my butt has delicate needs.
@@EbikeProducts I am still currently searching. I did find a highly comfortable seat art Walmart and I didn't catch the brand name just yet but it was the most different feeling material that I've felt on a comfort bike seat. I may have to try a cloud 9.
I’m not sure, but it looks like that post takes only 7mm rails according to the print on the post. You’d have to check with each seat company to find out if they’re 7mm (which I think they might be).
@@EbikeProducts I have a Himiway step thru and I can't use the cloud 9 with springs it will hit my fender. I ride with the seat as low as it can go. I'm 66 yrs. old and 5'6. I don't know what to do as the seat on it hurts my butt.
Yes. They will work on MTBs but depending on the bracket you have, you might need to change the seat post. They should fit most posts just as they are, but occasionally some MTBs may have odd mounting brackets that need changing.
I saw a picture on the internet of that bike and see that there are 2 rails on the bottom of the stock seat that are similar in design to the Bikeroo and Cloud9. If you can confirm that the current seat you have on your bike has 2 rails like those seats, then both seats should work fine. Just an FYI, those seats are usually recommended for less aggressive riding, so I’m not sure if they will be comfortable for peddling hard off seat during off road trail riding uphills or may get a little in the way on fast downhill. It’s also a ton heavier than your current seat. It won’t matter if you don’t do a lot of mountain trails though, and in that case you’d get a much more comfortable ride with them.
Hi. I’m looking for a seat and seat post that can allow the seat to sit a little lower on my electric bike (friends electric). My wife is 5’5 and she is not able to touch the ground which makes her too nervous to ride the bike. Does the cloud 9 force the seat to sit higher then stock?
My son is 4'10" and my daughter is 5'. Both of them prefer the Puroma Bicycle Saddle Dual Spring Designed Suspension Shock Absorbing seats with their Lectric XP Step Thru. The springs on the Cloud 9 is too stiff, so you have to pair it with a suspension seat post which adds an extra 2-3 inches to the seat height. The Puroma is the best choice for shorter people.
I took a look at the Friend and I think the Cloud 9 will make it higher due to the extra padding vs the stock seat that came with the bike. I am not 100% sure about the Friend’s design, but if the seatpost stops before hitting the seat bracket, sometime you can cut the bottom of the post to allow it to go a little lower. If the seat goes all the way down, then I am not sure there is much you can do. My wife is 5’2” and she can’t reach the ground on the Lectric XP with any seat comfortably, so we’ll have to find another ebike for her has a lower frame. Being confident on the ebike is important for safety reasons and with the power these bikes have, I don’t want her having extra fears about learning to get off the seat at stops until she’s ready. CitizenCycle has a youtube video with his wife on the Himiway 20” ebike. His wife is around 5’5” or leas and she fit it much better. If I can find a link to that video I’ll post it here.
@@EbikeProducts as Kef L mentioned, maybe the lectric xp step through is a better option for your wife? I would look into the step through model for my wifey as well but we live around aggressive trails so a full suspension bike is very important for us.
Yes! I have the Cloud9 on the seat dropper post that came with the Blackbird. Unfortunately, I am too short to utilize the dropper function and will be getting either a suspension post or regular straight post soon.
Oh no! I am so sorry to hear that. Did you order a Cloud9 to replace the Bikeroo you ordered? I'd really love to hear what you think when you get the Cloud9 vs the Bikeroo.
@@EbikeProducts I was going for giddy up, couldn’t get one here in Uk so decided on an iopw oversized seat and just before I ordered, I saw one called ybeki (same as iopw). $30. Best thing I’ve ever sat on. Hopefully it lasts.
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Every time I would try to purchase the Cloud9 saddle, it would be unavailable. So by default I instead bought the Bikeroo. I put it on my DJ Bikes folding step thru, and have now got over 500 miles logged on the seat. It’s very comfortable, and once I got the springs set at my happy place, I feel super confident while riding. It’s a great bike saddle!
I am using the Bikeroo more than my Cloud 9 at the moment due to the shorter nose and lighter weight. They felt the same to me when I first got the Bikeroo, but now after a few miles I think its actually a little softer than the Cloud 9. Both are great seats!
Thank you for telling us about the price differences. I didn't know the same item could have such varying prices. Good to know! Very good video!
I have the same Cloud9 seat. I weigh about 229lbs. The saddle is very comfortable and will absorb the bumps without a suspension seatpost; especially on my Lectric XP (my opinion). I did try the Zoom suspension seatpost with the Cloud9 and the ride was too bouncy. The max weight of the post was about 220lbs. I like a firm saddle without too much bounce from my rides. Overall, the Cloud9 will provide a comfortable ride without using an suspension seatpost. Again, this is only my opinion.
That's the correct way to use a seat like this. Why have a seat with 2#s of springs if you also add suspension.
I think you can adjust the bouncy level of the zoom,using allen key by rotating it(the metal cylinder with the allen key slot) away from the seatpost edge,nearer to your saddle(,it will make the spring harder.)
Responding to an old post, but just wants to say thx. I'm looking for a new seat setup for my wife on her XP Lite2, was debating Cloud 9 with a suspension seatpost vs w/o one.
I have both, and can't really tell much difference. Both are great seats. I added a gel cover, and that really add an extra measure of comfort on 15+ mile treks.
Mmmm... Never thought about making those seats even softer. Interesting idea!
If you are going to be using a suspension seatpost go with the indoor versions of the seats, you don't have to worry about the inevitable squeak squeak, and it feels the same! 254lb guy and I love the Bikeroo.
A big difference is the weight of the rider! When your whole body is perched on a pad and you weigh over 250 a big and wide perch is going to reduce numb bum a lot. These lightweight athletic types could sit on a broom handle all day…I found an hour on the stock mtb saddle was getting really hard to bear. I think I’ll go with Bikeroo for being shorter (and lighter).
You are so right! Love the 'broomstick' part, haha! Also, some people can get used to a thinner seat after a few rides, but if things are going numb, it's probably best to not really try to get used to something like that. Thanks for commenting!
Hey just wondering which seat you bought as I am looking for a wider seat as I am not *tiny* . I need padded plus width. Any ideas would be great cuz not having much luck
You won't be disappointed with the bikeroo. Its the most comfortable seat going. I am 194 pounds 5ft 10 and have had no problems with it.
Good Video . . . sounds like you saw my 2 videos on the long haul comparing these 2 seats. I agree with your comparison. I felt that it was pretty much a tradeoff when comparing comfort. Where the Bikeroo let me down was durability in that the cover started splitting (on both sides) at the nose after 1500 miles of riding and the Cloud 9 is still holding up at 2000+ miles.
Yes!! You did an awesome comparison telling of your riding mileage on each. I would not have know about the durability issue had I not seen your video on it. Glad to hear that the Cloud 9 can do 2000 miles! It blows me away on how much riding you are able to do.
Well, price. And if that deters seat theft. Maybe that is a cost incentive. It's not like I care what something under my ass looks like. Shiny gets the short rangers though.
Great work as usual, thank you! You've become my go-to-guy for a second opinion whenever I'm looking for e-bike information and accessories.
Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad the information is helpful for you.
We got a seat post from you and a Bikeroo on Amazon. Getting ready to test it out on our first big ride. Thanks for the helpful reviews.
Thanks so much for the support! I really appreciate it. The combo of the post and Bikeroo seat will definitely make the ride a lot more comfortable. Safe riding!
That was absolutely everything that I needed to know thank you so much. Well done
Thanks for the feedback!
I think it is worth mentioning that the quality of a bike seat- whether avoiding perineum pain or "sit point" cushioning is in my opinion less dependent on bulk, weight, saddle springs and "cushiness" , then on the design, materials, technology and individual fit. Seat adjustment fore and aft and up and down can also make some difference in comfort. Also, padded bike shorts can also help somewhat. A suspension post may also help absorb bumps.
If you are finding your bike seat uncomfortable, you should probably find a bike store with a good seat catalog and let them help you find the best option and adjustments. You may have to try out a number of seats in search of the best fit.
Nice job on your videos. Well thought out and you are a good presenter with a contagious smile! Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much for the encouragement and kind words. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for your excellent review. My first upgrade for my XP 1.0 will be Cloud 9 and Zoom suspension seat post. I’ve put 700 miles on original seat and haven’t had a problem at all with its comfort but after viewing so many YT reviews and recommendations for these upgrades, why not? Especially if I can find both for such low costs!
Good choice! I agree 100%. I decided to start selling the ZOOM posts on my website specifically because for such a low cost, it really helps absorb the bumps that give me back pain after a lot of riding. I normally lift off the seat when riding on rougher areas, but electric bikes tend to make me more lazy about standing and using my legs to absorb the shocks of the road.
Have you tested the YLG extra large seat? i tested this seat and found it to be extremely comfortable, even on 100 plus miles of continuous riding (including peddling) an ebike.
Hey buddy I have a cloud 9 n it's very comfortable I have yet to find any complaints about it So fare thanks for ur time
Yeah, it's definitely one of the most comfortable seats on the market and very well made. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for your thorough review! Definitely helped me decide what saddle to get!
Run a small inexpensive cable lock thru the bars under the seat and down to the frame to deter someone from releasing the quick release and taking your seat and seatpost.
I found that the ylg oversized seat was the most comfortable. Comfort is subjective per person it seems.
Thanks for this review. I opted for the Cloud 9. I prefer extended durability over weight savings on my seats.
I know im randomly asking but does any of you know of a way to get back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly forgot my account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Julio Reginald Thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm.
Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Julio Reginald it did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I'm so happy:D
Thanks so much you saved my account :D
@Stanley Alessandro happy to help xD
@@julioreginald3836 is this advertising lmao
The Cloud 9 with the, its called Black Lycra top is really nice. But best seat of all, i dont think they make it anymore is the Vitesse Deluxe Cruiser seat.
Good review of a few seats, one other low-tech option for making your seat less tempting to thieves is to just put a plastic grocery bag over it, sort of the garbage bike look. I found the stock Lectric XP seat nearly unbearable but like you it's one of the first things I replace. Personally I use a Brooks B-17 with a Thudbuster ST seatpost and it's been awesome. Cheers!
WOW! Great combo! The Brooks B-17 doesn't look that soft as I don't see a lot of padding, but it sure looks amazingly classy. Is it softer than the stock Lectric XP seat? The Thudbuster STseat post is awesome so I guess you wouldn't need a softer seat. With the price tag on your seat and post combined, I don't know if I would be comfortable with a trash bag though, lol. My less expensive setup I think would be ok in my area for a look that would not make it desirable as a deterrent. I think I would switch out the quick release with a nut and bolt release if I had your seat and post or still take them in the store with me or even the whole bike in the store if I could get permission to do so. Thanks for the idea!
@@EbikeProducts The B-17 is great on comfort, because it is tensioned leather you get support without pressure. I think the comfort seat market is interesting as you really need to know how your sit bones are oriented. My local bike shop used to carry a special memory foam you would sit on and you can see and measure where your sit bones press down. A big cushy seat without support at the sit bones will get uncomfortable really fast. The Thudbuster works well.
My comment on the bag was just for a theft deterrent, I just take my seat and seatpost off and put it in my backpack.
Have a good one.
I have the bikeroo seat on my e bike and it is the most comfortable seat for any distance. Well worth the money, although it wasn't expensive at all.
Love the cloud 9 seats.
I bought the Bikeroo saddle for seniors. If nothing else it just looks a whole lot better than the two you previewed.
I wish I knew there was a senior seat! Just looked it up and you are right, I like the look better too without the white trim and branding on it. I read that the senior seat is softer too which has got to be like sitting on a pillow. Very smart of Bikeroo to add that to their selection. I definitely would've mentioned it had I known as I think it will be one of the top selling seats around. Thanks for commenting and bringing that seat to my attention. I am so curious to find one to feel the difference!
Just bought Bikeroo seat way better than stock. The bikeroo seat also advertised for a seniors bike seat
I would like more comfort. Maybe I’ll try cloud 9 down the road. We own
Two Elements and were having fun !
Good video shows someone cares 👍🏻
Thanks for watching and commenting! If you do get a cloud 9, I'd be interested in knowing what your thoughts are on the differences.
I loved the cloud nine but the cover split in two places. 8 months old and about 1600 miles. Going to try the buckaroo
lmfao, buckaroo...I hope this saddle wont throw me off the bike. just ordered one.😅
I went with the Bikeroo… rather than be a moving advertisement for the Cloud9 with their huge logos - they should pay you to ride around with it!
Just tried the bikaroo and have to say I want as impressed as I thought I would be. My stock Biktrix seat feels better. I’m now waiting for the cloud nine to arrive.
Thanks for the review appreciate it I just ordered an E bike but I’m already looking at different parts🤣
There's definitely great accessories out there to add on! Enjoy your ebike!
I love the Cloud 9 with the Zoom suspension post.
I agree.
Yeah, me too. At the moment, I think its the best comfort you can get for the price. There are a lot more expensive posts and seats, but this combo works so well I don't need to spend more. Thanks for watching and commenting!
My ecotric hammer came with a suspension seatpost. I had to take it off because I'm not tall enough. What a hassle that was. I bought the Cloud 9 seat but I don't think this brings do anything if you have Springs I should not have to adjust them so they work it's like you have to loosen it to have more spring and then it's loose you can't tighten it there's something wrong with the Cloud 9 Springs that you can't adjust them you shouldn't even have to adjust Springs! I need the Springs cuz I don't have nor can I use the suspension seat post I'm only 5'8 on a 6'2 bike. I've fallen off so many times it's ridiculous cuz I got one leg now and it's my wheelchair way better than a wheelchair and when you got one leg it's way easier to get on and off you don't have to put your leg over it LOL
I use a cloud 9 and Cirrus suspension seatpost on my electric fatbike.
WHOA! That sounds like a super comfy setup. Top that seat and post off with fat tires and you can probably ride forever without discomfort. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@EbikeProducts Have you tried any of the suspension stems?
I guess my butt must be weird. I bought a zoom suspension post and find that it and the stock Lectric 2.0 seat is perfectly comfortable. I go for 2-3 hour rides with absolutely no discomfort.
In your opinion would a XP make a cross country trip from New York to LA. Interested in their durabiliy. Thanks
Yes. Just my personal opinion but I think it would easily make it cross country. Even though I believe the older models (1.0 and 2.0) would probably make it, you’d definitely want the newer models (3.0 or XPedition) if you haven’t already bought one. I think the XPedition is an ebike made for a challenge like that and would perform well. I’m not sure about the XPremium, as I have never ridden or reviewed one, but a mid-drive could definitely utilize the gearing well for the ride and range efficiency. The XPedition dual batteries would be a great help with range and as the design was made to prevent motor burnout, I feel it’s the most reliable for that kind of journey. Plus it can really haul a lot of weight, so if you carry extra batteries or cargo, it would be better size of a bike to do so. I’d highly recommend Flatout or some other premium tire sealant as well as you can tell I really believe in the stuff.
I love my XP 3.0 high step. I have it all decked out... Lol!
But the seat sucks!
I've watched all kinds of reviews and I think cloud9 is the way to go along with the Lectric shock seatpost I already have, this should save my ass.
Thank you!
I love my XP 3.0...
it takes me all over the twin City area where I live and then some! I highly believe in the quality that Lectric delivers.
but there's so many other brands so do your research before you pull the trigger so to speak.
I'm curious to know what you bought, if you have done so already.
you think like me, I'm ready to get out of Dodge for awhile. LOL
The original Bikeroo was very squeaky and noisy, and after about 50 miles became even worse. One of the springs had collapsed. Bikeroo sent a replacement immediately, and for two miles the replacement was quieter. Then it became really squeaky again, quite intolerable. So I binned it. It seems very cheaply made and not sturdy.
There is another Bikeroo seat that you should have compared the cloud9 seat to. Bikeroo makes a seat with Memory Foam that is a much softer seat to the touch. Also the Bikeroo seat has a split opening in it. So I am not sure it is a good comparison.
Thanks for the tip! I haven’t seen the Bikeroo model with memory foam. Would you happen to have a link? I thought the one I showed in the video was their best. If there is one with actual memory foam, that would definitely be softer. Since it’s so similar to the Cloud 9, a softer seat cushion with memory fin would definitely be a huge advantage over the Cloud 9.
It is evident that many re-detect the advantages of sit up-bikes. These make sense in conjunction with wider and more cushioned seats. A narrow "butt-crack seat" on a sit-up bike is torture.
We will also see the comeback of steel frames, and rim brakes, and partially internal gear hubs. Let's make a bet on it!
I need to get my bike seat pushed back as far as it will go so that my knees are more over the pedals. Can you tell me --- with the seats pushed back on the post as far as they will go, what is the length of the seat as it overhangs from the post to the back end of the seat? I'm desparate for this info. Thanks inadvance. Oh, I love your reviews
does the cloud 9 springs get squeaky or does the spring ever fall through the load hole?
Thanks for the review 🙌
Sure thing!
Can you please add the side to side widths of each seat? Based on your explanation, I am assuming the 10 v 9 is the length of the seats
I have the new Lectric XP Lite 2.0 JW Black. Got the Cloud 9 seat (in the video) and the zoom suspension seat post. Makes a big difference from the stock seat and post…. I weigh 195 lbs, how the heck do you adjust the seat post?? I know about the Allen on the bottom of the post, but is there a “formula” or something based on the rider’s weight, or do you just spend hours screwing it in and out until you figure it out or give up and just leave it as it came???? (The cloud 9 seat is comfortable though)!!
Is there a good suspension seat post that can accommodate a 290 pound rider that you would recommend? Using it on an Letric XP 2.0 bike.
Get the biggest thud buster seat post
so petty but i hate all the markings and logos on the cloud 9 seat..... bikeroo looks way cleaner. just bought a beach cruiser didn't even know suspension posts were a thing, i'll have to see if my bike has one, if not that sounds like another must add
Yeah, I think Cloud9 really should be a little more discreet about their bold branding too. If you decide to get a suspension post, just make sure you get the sizing right. Some companies don't allow returns for getting the wrong size.
I'm getting cloud nine .
Thank you.
Great choice! You won’t be disappointed.
you said to make sure that the Bikeroo Oversized Bike Seat has springs for outside . why is that .the reason im asking is because Bikeroo said the other one with the Elastomer Springs is great for outside also. please give me your reasons thanks
Although the Elastomer Springs are also good for outside too, according to other reviews I read (I think on Amazon reviews) the one with springs were much better for outdoor use and the elastomer springs better for stationary indoor bikes. I honestly do not have first hand knowledge/experience myself testing the 2, but when doing my research before making my purchase, this was something that I took a mental note about.
Thanks for the great review,
I’m wondering if the cloud 9 works for the Himo c26 ebike ?
That shouldn’t be a problem. It looks like that stock seat has the same rails to mount to the existing post.
I have the cloud 9 on my black bird. Love it😁🎯💯
I'll probably be adding it to mine too (if it ever gets here). I wasn't sure if the dropper post would work well with it. Have you found any issues with the Cloud 9 interfering with the dropper post functionality?
@@EbikeProducts I was wondering if you received your blackbird yet. I've watched all your videos and I knew you picked the blackbird. Cloud 9 works wonderfully on the dropper post with no issues. When are you supposed to receive your blackbird?
@@EbikeProducts while wedding on my blackbird I purchased the juiced scorpion. Now that I have the black bird the scorpion gets less riding time. big difference between the 2 bikes. Black bird is way lighter way more power/torque
@@tylertyler3588 According the the Boltonebikes status webpage, the 24" Blackbirds started shipping out last week on 3/22. I am in that batch of Blackbirds but have not received a tracking number for my bike yet so I am not sure. I was hoping to be one of the early in the batch, but it doesn't look like it. I will definitely be posting videos when I find out more. Seeing comments like yours and others in the Bolton facebook group gets me super excited! I haven't tried doing a live video and I think I will do my first live video if possible on the day I get it. I already told my work that I will be taking a vacation day (or 2) soon when the bike is expected to arrive.
@@EbikeProducts I read a comment from another blackbird owner that they never received their tracking number. Hope that you get your BB real soon.
You using some kind of shim to convert the zoom 27.2 to your bikes? What brand shim tube you like? Good job!
Cane creek
@@dandydon6049 good deal..
Are the suspension posts a standard size? Or do you have to get them for a specific bike?
Hello Can this bike tube and seat fit a Yuba cargo bike? Thank you!
Sorry, I think the Yuba Cargo Bike is a 30.9mm seat post and this is a 31.6mm and won't fit in the post.
Thanks - great post.
I just bought the Comfort seat that Lektric carries for its new XP2.It cost me $99. I was mainly after the sprin action on the pole. I didnt mond the stok XP seat that much either. In fact this new one feels kinda funny. It needs adjustment. I feel like Im sliding off the front of it. But it will be while. I had a rear blowout the first day. And I dont have a clue how to fix a flat on a rear tire. Could I call AAA, haha.Ive never called them for anything else.
I would like to see the lectric comfort seat I am getting delivered by the 17th. Or is the bikeroo the Lectric.
Hi, any update on this?
@@frederickacampbell6129 I think I may have a typo in there. Not sure what I was talking about actually, lolol. I got the comfort seat but only used it a couple times. With my weight it bottoms out and I even tightened the spring with a socket wrench.
Ugh fantastic review thanks you! New sub 👍🏼
YOu didn't say anything about the difference in the nose - the cloud 9 (this version of it) has a cutout which may be easier on the private parts. The Bikeroo only had an indentation. Ironically, I am trying to replace my old Cloud 9 because it's causing me pain in the groin area --- it actually looks like the Bikeroo - with just an indentation rather than a nearly full cutout
Very helpful review!
The seats are softly engineered to help the rider.
No doubt... They did a great job too! I wish they had seats like these when I was younger.
Hey, what do you think of the bell comfort 625 and bell comfort 810 ?
Sorry, I haven't tried either of those. From what I see in the pictures online of the 625, the width of the seat will help to improve comfort for sure, but I can't tell how soft it is. The 820 looks like a softer sporty style seat and looks like it would be great for those who like to pedal a lot.
Great info, Thanks
Thanks for watching and commenting!
My tush preferred the Cloud 9
Added the Cloud 9 to my e-bike recently, and found it creaks and squeaks as I ride (doesn't do it if I'm not pedalling) so I have tightened the bolts under the seat including those under the springs, but it still creaks and squeaks as I ride. On gravel trails the road noise is loud enough for it to not bother me 'too' much, but on pavement it's driving me crazy! Anyone have a fix?
I have been trying to read comments on these two seats to see which one i will purchase. I ran into a comment that was of a guy having the same problem your having. He was able to fix it, he said the squeaks are coming from the nose underneath where the plastic and the metal bar touch, he put clothe tape around the metal and that put an end to that irritating noise. he took a picture of it but i could not find it. It was on amazon comment some where. Hope it helps. I might just half to buy both to leave my own honest comment.
@@vixenvendettaofficial Yes, I found a 'sale' Amazon was having one time, where the Bikeroo seats where asking $15.00 & change, so I have one sitting on my desk currently, of which I haven't tried yet. I did take my Vise Grips, and swelled the metal part you mentioned, which worked for a while, but it's back to squeaking again, so I'll have to do it again! My thinking on the Bikeroo, is to add a suspension seat post 'Suntour NCX' as it's suppose to take most of the bumps out of riding, which would be nice, especially on longer rides, as I've been on some around 40 miles, and the bumps do tend to get tiring. Thanks for the reply!
Does anyone have a comment regarding how these two seats feel against the Taint? That’s where all MY discomfort comes from.😩
Any suggestions for a 288lbs guy with a sensitive taint?
I have them both. I like the Cloud nine a little better.
It's been a while since I made that video and I think the cloud nine is holding up better than the bikeroo now. Both are still great, but the Cloud 9 material seems stronger.
The cloud 9 seat still hurts my tender backside, I want my bike seat to feel like my couch 🛋 is that asking to much 😇🤓
LOL. I don’t know how much softer a seat can really get without being ‘gushy’ to the point you’d have a lot of horizontal movement when riding. I’ve found that as i keep riding, my lower cheeks starts to get used to the seats and less uncomfortable. A couch soft seat would be awesome though!
Just strap your couch cushion to your bike
This is the best test you need to find someone to squeeze the bike set and your butt to find out if a muscle butt versus a fat butt who is the most comfortable after a half hour riding on those sets that is most important 🫣🤓🫠 seriously 😒.
Serfas Men's DDMD-200 E-Gel Saddle Is what we need.
Oh! Never heard of that one. I'll go check it out. Thanks for commenting!
Hi does the ventilation actually help?
What about tilt with these seats. All the other You Tubes with regular bike seats recommend a level seat.
The tilt can be adjusted with most seat posts. The standard position on the seat clamp rails are designed to be level on most seat posts, but posts like the zoom suspension posts have adjustable seat angles built in.
Love my 9
What type or brand is the seat post shock pole?
Thanks
It’s a ZOOM brand suspension post. If you have a Lectric XP 1.0 or 2.0 the ones found here at www.ebikeproducts.com/shop will fit perfectly.
@@EbikeProducts thanks
Did you ever get the Bolton ebike?
Not yet. According to the Bolton site, my batch of Blackbirds started shipping last week. I am hoping to see a tracking code any day now! It’s only been 9 months and 3 days since my order was placed. I am now trying to figure out where I am going to park it when it arrives.
@@EbikeProducts Thanks! Really appreciate all the great info you provide!
Check out the ultra wide seats.
very good review However audio is terrible. too much bass perhaps? sounds like you're speaking in a tunnel. A bit difficult to understand on my Bose speakers especially if I turn up the volume. Otherwise I enjoy your videos and learn from them...
Sorry about that. It took a long time to finally get a better lapel mic. I totally agree with you and cringe when having to go back to the older videos. I have a lapel now and a better idea what works decently, but still put on my birthday wishlist for better audio equipment like the Rode wireless 2 mics and a better indoor home mic. Hopefully you will like the more recent video's audio better and my future improvements can do even more to clean it up. I appreciate the feedback!
Thanks 🙏👍
I have a cloud ☁️ 9 set and yes it still hurts my butt and I am sure it’s because I don’t have a muscle butt, I am old so my butt is soft and yes I have a spring loaded set post it doesn’t help seriously 😳 my butt has delicate needs.
Thank you for sharing about your soft old butt.
I own a Bikearoo. I'll just say this, I'm selling it with the bike that I bought it for because it is not comfortable for me at all!
Oh no! Sorry to hear that. Just curious, is there another seat brand you found that is able to get the comfort level you are looking for?
@@EbikeProducts I am still currently searching. I did find a highly comfortable seat art Walmart and I didn't catch the brand name just yet but it was the most different feeling material that I've felt on a comfort bike seat. I may have to try a cloud 9.
Mejor de lo que esperaba
Hi can these be added to my Marlin 5 mountain bike? 🤔
can you provide the link to the seat post you used for cloud9 seat ? Thx
Sure! Here you go. ebikeproducts.com/shop/
Just an FYI...All the posts on this link are guaranteed to fit the Lectric XP bike.
Do you know if both seats are compatible with the Suntour NCX suspension seatpost? Looking to replace my stock seat.
I’m not sure, but it looks like that post takes only 7mm rails according to the print on the post. You’d have to check with each seat company to find out if they’re 7mm (which I think they might be).
@@EbikeProducts
Thanks
Which Cloud 9 is that?
It's the Cloud-9 Cruiser Select Saddle, 10.5" x 10.75", Black Soft Touch Vinyl - amzn.to/3eKzmaA
GREAT seat!
@@EbikeProducts I have a Himiway step thru and I can't use the cloud 9 with springs it will hit my fender. I ride with the seat as low as it can go. I'm 66 yrs. old and 5'6. I don't know what to do as the seat on it hurts my butt.
Well done. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Would these seats work on mtb also ?
Yes. They will work on MTBs but depending on the bracket you have, you might need to change the seat post. They should fit most posts just as they are, but occasionally some MTBs may have odd mounting brackets that need changing.
@@EbikeProducts I have a trek 4300
Do you know of it would fit with no changes ?
I saw a picture on the internet of that bike and see that there are 2 rails on the bottom of the stock seat that are similar in design to the Bikeroo and Cloud9. If you can confirm that the current seat you have on your bike has 2 rails like those seats, then both seats should work fine. Just an FYI, those seats are usually recommended for less aggressive riding, so I’m not sure if they will be comfortable for peddling hard off seat during off road trail riding uphills or may get a little in the way on fast downhill. It’s also a ton heavier than your current seat. It won’t matter if you don’t do a lot of mountain trails though, and in that case you’d get a much more comfortable ride with them.
Indoor version … is that for when we are cycling around the kitchen
Haha! Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. Indoor cycling is on stationary exercise bikes.
Perfect.
Saludos nice video ❤
It depends on if you have a muscle butt or a fatty butt that will determine on whether or not you will be comfortable
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Hi. I’m looking for a seat and seat post that can allow the seat to sit a little lower on my electric bike (friends electric). My wife is 5’5 and she is not able to touch the ground which makes her too nervous to ride the bike. Does the cloud 9 force the seat to sit higher then stock?
My son is 4'10" and my daughter is 5'. Both of them prefer the Puroma Bicycle Saddle Dual Spring Designed Suspension Shock Absorbing seats with their Lectric XP Step Thru. The springs on the Cloud 9 is too stiff, so you have to pair it with a suspension seat post which adds an extra 2-3 inches to the seat height. The Puroma is the best choice for shorter people.
I took a look at the Friend and I think the Cloud 9 will make it higher due to the extra padding vs the stock seat that came with the bike. I am not 100% sure about the Friend’s design, but if the seatpost stops before hitting the seat bracket, sometime you can cut the bottom of the post to allow it to go a little lower. If the seat goes all the way down, then I am not sure there is much you can do. My wife is 5’2” and she can’t reach the ground on the Lectric XP with any seat comfortably, so we’ll have to find another ebike for her has a lower frame. Being confident on the ebike is important for safety reasons and with the power these bikes have, I don’t want her having extra fears about learning to get off the seat at stops until she’s ready. CitizenCycle has a youtube video with his wife on the Himiway 20” ebike. His wife is around 5’5” or leas and she fit it much better. If I can find a link to that video I’ll post it here.
@@keep68 thank you for your response. I’ll be looking into the puroma!
@@EbikeProducts as Kef L mentioned, maybe the lectric xp step through is a better option for your wife? I would look into the step through model for my wifey as well but we live around aggressive trails so a full suspension bike is very important for us.
@@keep68 I just ordered the puroma. Reviews looks great and it’s only $16.99 shipped on Amazon. Thank you very much!
Effective
Gorgeous seats very ergo...for some 😜
I think so too! Also makes a huge difference on how comfortable your ride is.
CLOUD 9 IS BETTER, Much better quality materials!
Will the cloud 9 fit on the Bolton Blackrird with the seat dropper post?
Yes! I have the Cloud9 on the seat dropper post that came with the Blackbird. Unfortunately, I am too short to utilize the dropper function and will be getting either a suspension post or regular straight post soon.
I got the bikeroo for $12.50!!
I have a really nice fluffy butt and it is really sensitive so will my butt feel comfortable
These seats definitely make the ride more comfortable. Thanks for watching!
How much for seat post?
We have the red top posts on sale now for $29.95 (tax and free shipping included for now) at the website at www.ebikeproducts.com/shop
Brooks B17
Just sent the bikeroo back. Absolutely dreadful seat
Oh no! I am so sorry to hear that. Did you order a Cloud9 to replace the Bikeroo you ordered? I'd really love to hear what you think when you get the Cloud9 vs the Bikeroo.
@@EbikeProducts I was going for giddy up, couldn’t get one here in Uk so decided on an iopw oversized seat and just before I ordered, I saw one called ybeki (same as iopw). $30. Best thing I’ve ever sat on. Hopefully it lasts.
Canada Merci beaucoup
Québec M.T.L