So glad Andrew made this wonderful documentary. I was born in 1970. I know it's become cliche, to boast how magical the 80's were, it's something you can't explain, you had to live it. I feel so lucky, to experience the entirety of my teenage years in the 80's. This documentary brought back a flood of such phenomenal memories. I still feel like an 80's teen, I hope that never changes.
Demi's so emotionally mature now. I like that even though Jon & Andrew didn't like each other back in the day, they've buried the hatchet & are friends now. Also kinda hilarious that Blum still would not apologize for the article. 😂
Back in the day, I used to go to this underground club in downtown LA where “Brat Packers” hung out. It was sometimes called the Second Coming and sometimes the Flaming Colossus. This one night, Andrew was standing next to me at the club, seemingly by himself. He looked at me with such disdain and moved away. I was probably wearing too much Patchli 😆
LOL... I think Andrew was a snobby new Yorker..and everyone who worked with him knew it. thats why they are all laughing about him now... its just how he was... but.. hey.. PLENTY of people are like that who arent famous or in show business... we all know an Andrew and thats fine.. I feel, well I dont know of course.. but I think Andrew has come a long way from his 80s "brat" days...
@@OnlyThe1Son I think even though he was a snobby snooty New Yorker, he seems to have softened with age, he's able to look back and appreciate, and I'm glad they have all reconnected to each other in this way.
just saw it.... LOVE IT. I grew up with most of those movies...well, mostly the ones, not "officially" termed as brat pack movies, like The Outsiders, Back to the Future, Red Dawn, Risky Business, Young Guns, The Lost Boys and 16 Candles...and of course the official ones, St. Elmo's Fire and The Breakfast Club...and later Pretty in Pink and Some Kind of Wonderful. I wish Molly and Judd agreed to show up... I mean, come on, it's been 30 plus YEARS...time to GET OVER it, man.... they're immortalized in moviedom by those movies and that term of (now) endearment.
The eighties was the best you had the slasher genre , the college/ high school moves and of course the John Hughes movies I feel blessed to a part of History
I thought the doc was a two hour therapy session for Andrew McCarthy. Rob Lowe and Demi Moore seemed to build great careers. I always thought McCarthy maxed out and then some. Didn’t have the appeal past the 80s teenage heartthrob and I didn’t seem him as any Brad Pitt. AFTER June 1985, he still starred in pretty in pink, mannequin, weekend at Bernie’s….he didn’t have enough talent to take it to the next level in the 90s when the new wave of young actors came along. He should be grateful to how far he went to be honest
He went into directing television, Orange is the new black. I believe. Don't know why he didn't succeed in the 1990's maybe 🤔 unfortunately it was the brat pack label. Missed Judd Nelson and Molly Ringwald in this documentary 🥺
The original article says he was almost a member, but couldn't be because he lived in New York and couldn't hang out with the Pack. It also put Matthew Modine and Kevin Bacon in the same category.
I agree with Blum. Ferris is the best John Hughes movie. I think it's just more of a movie. Breakfast Club could be a stage play. But Ferris takes full advantage of the cinematic form to go to a bunch of different locations and come up with interesting camera set-ups.
I think James Spader should be there and part of it. He is more versatile actor an has been Tons of movies and The Star of Serval TV Shows. Also, there is John Cusack, also a great actor with a range of talent. One of my favorite movies. True Colors', stars , Spader as the good guy snd Cusack as the bad guy. Its a Political Drama about doing what it takes to get ahead, no matter the cost......
This Q&A makes Andrew kind of look bad, but he’s a lot better now. Jon and the writer are coming hard on him, but he’s not what he was back then. In the past he had problems with his dad and relatives, and it made him insecure. Now he’s comfortable in his shoes, and he has his own family. He’s written books and done photography, as well as direct. He’s also cool with his fans like me. He’s replied to me before. I also met And drove Jon Cryer for my job around 13 yrs ago. Even then, he had no problem talking negatively about Andrew and even Molly Ringwald. However he did speak well of James Spader. Maybe Jon Cryer isn’t such a great guy himself. My interaction with him was he was pretty down to earth, which I like, but he didn’t tip me, even though he’s a millionaire. Most actors tip me, and everything went smoothly driving him. Yes, he was making a boat load of money being in the popular tv show Two and a Half Men. So he’s nice but cheap.
Love this! Honestly, I thought the movie was Brilliant ✨️the music, the style and the bratitude🌟these were individuals who stood out and were not afraid to be themselves. I am Happy to see this resurface at this time in my life. Brats are awesome people 🌟🌹😎👑
That reporter has no shame or acknowledgment that anything he did might have been hurtful to these people. Regardless of their success, they are people. He seems like a really small person who doesn’t get invited to parties and is bitter about it.
Totally agree. I just read the article…it’s really mean spirited and petty. Blum came across as bitterly jealous of the attention from women those guys got.
Just watched BRATS. We were very excited to see it, and ultimately disappointed. This documentary was a therapy session for McCarthy who clearly blames one article on the fate of his life. While the majority of us now 50-something year olds wanted to be part of the Brat Pack, McCarthy clearly uses the moniker as an excuse for failures. The documentary was self-serving, awkward, and uncomfortable. It is obvious this is something he should have just let go of 30 years ago and didn't. The fact that he hasn't spoken to any of his fellow Brat Pack members in over 30 years speaks volumes about his personality.
@matthewrettenmund8358 it looks and I hope hes coming around, but 30 years of using that article as a linchpin doesn't just go away like that. It's much easier for him to keep on living the way He has been than realizing that he's been a fool to himself All these years. Thats a tough pill to swallow.
@@AprilandRafa Thank you!! I've actually never cared for his acting. His career never took off and for good reason. He's just not that good. And to find out most of the cast didn't get along with him, well, you can still cut the tension with a knife on that stage lol. And while it's a great sentiment to now look at "Bratpack" as a "blessing", he appears to be more about selling his documentary than being authentic. He's insufferable and everyone is dancing around a whole lot words haha. He's the reason I have no intentions of watching the doc.
Completely disagree. The fact that it was a kind of therapy session for McCarthy is what makes it so interesting. That's his role in the doc: the one who was most haunted by the experience. Isn't that the way life is? We all have a hard time letting certain things go. Our friends give us perspective. It's a journey. It takes time. As McCarthy explains here, reuniting with his fellow brat packers in this film helped him to go from thinking it was a curse to seeing it as a blessing.
THE BREAKFAST CLUB was a far better film than what it was given credit for during the time of its release. Siskel & Ebert gave it TWO THUMBS UP, something they did not give to OUT OF AFRICA, the film that went on to win the Oscar for that year. Movies about teens just weren't taken seriously during that time. Ally Sheedy also would've been a deserving nominee in the supporting actress category.
Saw the documentary, McCarthy still seems very bitter about it, even now. While the rest of the Brat Pack seem more philosophical and amused by it. Their natural characters really show.
I’m watching Brats on Hulu…i had no idea that ‘Brat Pack’ was negative or stigmatizing to these actors.Its an unkind label but i had no idea….Cant help but wonder though- does the fact that they are still lamenting and traumatized about it lend to the idea that they were and maybe still are in fact ‘Brats’?
@@matthewrettenmund8358 that makes sense. They lost me when he and Ally? said they had "PTSD" over the 'Brat Pack' tag . I will go back and watch the rest of it thanks
He has mentioned repeatedly throughout the years and in response to this documentary that he is "Brat Pack adjacent"... as are a few other actors, like Anthony Michael Hall, not that it really matters.
Andrew needs to let it go and stop demanding an apology from the writer, he put all of them on the map and made them part of a legacy. I think Andrew is just bitter his career went nowhere after and blames the brat pack for it
I was really enthusiastic to view this documentary. However, to me, each interview seemed to be a therapy session for McCarthy on “the label” ruining his acting career.
Probably needs the money. They don't work a lot anymore and don't get the big paychecks but still live a similar lifestyle. They need make their own revenue stream by making their own projects.
Let's be honest. With the exception of Demi Moore and Rob Lowe, none of the Brat Pack regulars were drop dead good-looking. Cute, yes. But they were certainly all chosen for their attractive, yet relatable looks and personalities. Because they all resembled white, suburban kids who were 'coming of age,' Only how many times can audiences watch these same actors 'come of age?" I think that's why most of their careers stalled. Molly Ringwald was offered the Julia Roberts role in Pretty Woman and wisely turned it down. Could you even imagine Ringwald playing that role? It would've seemed like the characters from Breakfast Club and Pretty in Pink somehow veered into prostitution.
David the writer is kind of an ass. He wrote something that affected their lives and can't apologize for it. And then he has the gall to say in the doc that it hurt his feelings when the Time magazine writer went on Phil Donohue and apologized to them for his profession (referring to the article). Boo hoo He rode on their coattails to make a name for himself. I think he was jealous of their fame and success. Especially, Rob, Andrew, and Judd. Because he knew he could never be as cool or successful as they were. It's the school nerd getting revenge on the cool kids.
Had. Friend. Lived in dc. We stayed. At her house. Got in bar 1985. 1986. We got in some. Places we go shoping. After shoping. We go to the. Bar have drinks.
Andrew McCarthy isn't part of The Brat Pack by any measure or standing... I suppose he's considered by proxy... Jon Cryer isn't a Brat... This film was boring... The Brat Pack cliche is a term of endearment, not a knock... Andrew made this all about him... Don't get me wrong, The '80's was indeed the greatest era in history and I enjoyed all of the movies....
@@JoyP-rw5bc That doesn't make him a member... The initial article that started it all didn't acknowledge hm... Heck, even Andrew has said that he wasn't a member of the group... Clearly, Andrew is looking to revive his name and nothing more...
McCarthy was actually named in the article though. People seem to make up their own minds as to who was a member. The actual people named would probably surprise many.
Did anyone actually like those movies ? i think kids just went to the theaters so much to have an excuse to make out and plus because actually watching the movie was so bad ?
Of course people liked and loved them. "The Breakfast Club" and "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" were and are brilliant. Some of the others were fluffier fare, but they had the ring of authenticity and have stuck with people, like "Pretty in Pink."
Meanwhile in the 80s long duk dong traumatized a generation of asian american men. Molly Ringwald writes an article about how rape Hughes' dialogue was in retrospect, and lgbtq+ had hardly an ally in 80s teen films. So, yeah, being called a "brat" must have been devastating.
So glad Andrew made this wonderful documentary. I was born in 1970. I know it's become cliche, to boast how magical the 80's were, it's something you can't explain, you had to live it. I feel so lucky, to experience the entirety of my teenage years in the 80's. This documentary brought back a flood of such phenomenal memories. I still feel like an 80's teen, I hope that never changes.
The 80s seemed like that fun uncle you didnt want to let go of. Am I right? hahaha
It’s not magical, it’s what every generation says. Every single generation 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Demi's so emotionally mature now. I like that even though Jon & Andrew didn't like each other back in the day, they've buried the hatchet & are friends now. Also kinda hilarious that Blum still would not apologize for the article. 😂
Back in the day, I used to go to this underground club in downtown LA where “Brat Packers” hung out. It was sometimes called the Second Coming and sometimes the Flaming Colossus. This one night, Andrew was standing next to me at the club, seemingly by himself. He looked at me with such disdain and moved away. I was probably wearing too much Patchli 😆
LOL... I think Andrew was a snobby new Yorker..and everyone who worked with him knew it. thats why they are all laughing about him now... its just how he was...
but.. hey.. PLENTY of people are like that who arent famous or in show business... we all know an Andrew and thats fine..
I feel, well I dont know of course.. but I think Andrew has come a long way from his 80s "brat" days...
@@OnlyThe1Son I think even though he was a snobby snooty New Yorker, he seems to have softened with age, he's able to look back and appreciate, and I'm glad they have all reconnected to each other in this way.
Bratpackers didn't go to underground clubs.
@@OnlyThe1Sonhe's from jersey n he has said he may hav come off to others as aloof, but it really was just about him being terrified.
@@RainyDaze-uz5uyhe's from jersey
just saw it.... LOVE IT.
I grew up with most of those movies...well, mostly the ones, not "officially" termed as brat pack movies, like The Outsiders, Back to the Future, Red Dawn, Risky Business, Young Guns, The Lost Boys and 16 Candles...and of course the official ones, St. Elmo's Fire and The Breakfast Club...and later Pretty in Pink and Some Kind of Wonderful.
I wish Molly and Judd agreed to show up... I mean, come on, it's been 30 plus YEARS...time to GET OVER it, man....
they're immortalized in moviedom by those movies and that term of (now) endearment.
The eighties was the best you had the slasher genre , the college/ high school moves and of course the John Hughes movies I feel blessed to a part of History
This was great. I never knew that they all hated and we're scared of being labeled.
I thought the doc was a two hour therapy session for Andrew McCarthy. Rob Lowe and Demi Moore seemed to build great careers. I always thought McCarthy maxed out and then some. Didn’t have the appeal past the 80s teenage heartthrob and I didn’t seem him as any Brad Pitt. AFTER June 1985, he still starred in pretty in pink, mannequin, weekend at Bernie’s….he didn’t have enough talent to take it to the next level in the 90s when the new wave of young actors came along. He should be grateful to how far he went to be honest
He went into directing television, Orange is the new black. I believe. Don't know why he didn't succeed in the 1990's maybe 🤔 unfortunately it was the brat pack label. Missed Judd Nelson and Molly Ringwald in this documentary 🥺
McCarthy maxed out n didn't have enuff talent or did he just choose a different path? Interesting points u brot up. @silver9729
My 2 favorites weren't mentioned, but they're Less Than Zero (1987) + Wargames (1984). Too bad Matthew Broderick weren't a member of this Brat thing
The original article says he was almost a member, but couldn't be because he lived in New York and couldn't hang out with the Pack. It also put Matthew Modine and Kevin Bacon in the same category.
Less than zero was a fantastic film. Robert Downy Jr was excellent. He was living it about that time I believe
I agree with Blum. Ferris is the best John Hughes movie. I think it's just more of a movie. Breakfast Club could be a stage play. But Ferris takes full advantage of the cinematic form to go to a bunch of different locations and come up with interesting camera set-ups.
It's the worse movie.
The Breakfast Club would be a great play. Probably someone is arranging that right now but you I give you original credit
I think James Spader should be there and part of it. He is more versatile actor an has been Tons of movies and The Star of Serval TV Shows. Also, there is John Cusack, also a great actor with a range of talent. One of my favorite movies. True Colors', stars , Spader as the good guy snd Cusack as the bad guy. Its a Political Drama about doing what it takes to get ahead, no matter the cost......
True Colors is great and also Bad Influence with Spader and Lowe. Did you see Bad Influence? It’s my favorite James Spader movie.
This Q&A makes Andrew kind of look bad, but he’s a lot better now. Jon and the writer are coming hard on him, but he’s not what he was back then. In the past he had problems with his dad and relatives, and it made him insecure. Now he’s comfortable in his shoes, and he has his own family. He’s written books and done photography, as well as direct. He’s also cool with his fans like me. He’s replied to me before. I also met And drove Jon Cryer for my job around 13 yrs ago. Even then, he had no problem talking negatively about Andrew and even Molly Ringwald. However he did speak well of James Spader. Maybe Jon Cryer isn’t such a great guy himself. My interaction with him was he was pretty down to earth, which I like, but he didn’t tip me, even though he’s a millionaire. Most actors tip me, and everything went smoothly driving him. Yes, he was making a boat load of money being in the popular tv show Two and a Half Men. So he’s nice but cheap.
Demi is impressive here and in the doc.
Proof that no writer will EVER not defend what they’ve written - for better or worse.
Love this! Honestly, I thought the movie was Brilliant ✨️the music, the style and the bratitude🌟these were individuals who stood out and were not afraid to be themselves. I am Happy to see this resurface at this time in my life. Brats are awesome people 🌟🌹😎👑
The body language here is fascinating.
Man, those legs are putting on a show.
Love seeing Ally Sheedy and Demi Moore, two teen crushes of mine back in the day, but they look great 🙂
That reporter has no shame or acknowledgment that anything he did might have been hurtful to these people. Regardless of their success, they are people. He seems like a really small person who doesn’t get invited to parties and is bitter about it.
Totally agree. I just read the article…it’s really mean spirited and petty. Blum came across as bitterly jealous of the attention from women those guys got.
Andrew didn’t address Jon’s comment that it is Emilio and Judd who insult Andrew in the article, not David
That's not what Jon was saying.. i think his point was that David oddly chose to add it to the article.
Just watched BRATS. We were very excited to see it, and ultimately disappointed. This documentary was a therapy session for McCarthy who clearly blames one article on the fate of his life. While the majority of us now 50-something year olds wanted to be part of the Brat Pack, McCarthy clearly uses the moniker as an excuse for failures.
The documentary was self-serving, awkward, and uncomfortable. It is obvious this is something he should have just let go of 30 years ago and didn't. The fact that he hasn't spoken to any of his fellow Brat Pack members in over 30 years speaks volumes about his personality.
I really felt he came around through making the doc. Onstage, he seems clearly to have finally accepted it.
@matthewrettenmund8358 it looks and I hope hes coming around, but 30 years of using that article as a linchpin doesn't just go away like that.
It's much easier for him to keep on living the way He has been than realizing that he's been a fool to himself All these years. Thats a tough pill to swallow.
@@AprilandRafa Thank you!! I've actually never cared for his acting. His career never took off and for good reason. He's just not that good. And to find out most of the cast didn't get along with him, well, you can still cut the tension with a knife on that stage lol. And while it's a great sentiment to now look at "Bratpack" as a "blessing", he appears to be more about selling his documentary than being authentic. He's insufferable and everyone is dancing around a whole lot words haha. He's the reason I have no intentions of watching the doc.
@@Desantisgogoboots Is it just a matter of who you vibe with because I always liked his energy for some reason.
Completely disagree. The fact that it was a kind of therapy session for McCarthy is what makes it so interesting. That's his role in the doc: the one who was most haunted by the experience. Isn't that the way life is? We all have a hard time letting certain things go. Our friends give us perspective. It's a journey. It takes time. As McCarthy explains here, reuniting with his fellow brat packers in this film helped him to go from thinking it was a curse to seeing it as a blessing.
If I had a DeLorean time machine, I'd go back to the 80's!
THE BREAKFAST CLUB was a far better film than what it was given credit for during the time of its release. Siskel & Ebert gave it TWO THUMBS UP, something they did not give to OUT OF AFRICA, the film that went on to win the Oscar for that year. Movies about teens just weren't taken seriously during that time. Ally Sheedy also would've been a deserving nominee in the supporting actress category.
So well said Demi at 4:25.
Saw the documentary, McCarthy still seems very bitter about it, even now. While the rest of the Brat Pack seem more philosophical and amused by it. Their natural characters really show.
Team Blane!
David Blum is such a weasel
Omg. 80s....i am 56 give me a time machine
They were teenagers Jon says? Weren't they in their young twenties playing the part of teenagers?
Not all of them, look a their birthdates 🤦♀️
Team Blane!!!!!
I’m watching Brats on Hulu…i had no idea that ‘Brat Pack’ was negative or stigmatizing to these actors.Its an unkind label but i had no idea….Cant help but wonder though- does the fact that they are still lamenting and traumatized about it lend to the idea that they were and maybe still are in fact ‘Brats’?
No, because the point of the film is how McCarthy is now totally over it and embraces his career, and the others seemed mostly to be past it, too.
@@matthewrettenmund8358 that makes sense. They lost me when he and Ally? said they had "PTSD" over the 'Brat Pack' tag . I will go back and watch the rest of it thanks
Jon Cryer is not a member of the Brat Pack.
He has mentioned repeatedly throughout the years and in response to this documentary that he is "Brat Pack adjacent"... as are a few other actors, like Anthony Michael Hall, not that it really matters.
Watch the documentary. They address it there. The Brat Pack was a fluid entity.
Correct but Pretty in Pink is a Brat pack movie and he's in it.
Would everyone consider Ferris a brat movie?
@@rolandomontenegro4130 I would vote no because nobody in that movie was in the brat pack.
Andrew needs to let it go and stop demanding an apology from the writer, he put all of them on the map and made them part of a legacy. I think Andrew is just bitter his career went nowhere after and blames the brat pack for it
I was really enthusiastic to view this documentary.
However, to me, each interview seemed to be a therapy session for McCarthy on “the label” ruining his acting career.
I like 16 candles the best
Why are Ally and Demi wearing clown shoes?
Probably needs the money. They don't work a lot anymore and don't get the big paychecks but still live a similar lifestyle. They need make their own revenue stream by making their own projects.
He doesn’t need money he has written several books and directs many TV series
@@Veroave3 He doesn't make that much either venture.
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I really ejoyed the documentary. Even tho Molly Ringwald thought she was too important to be a part of it.
Let's be honest. With the exception of Demi Moore and Rob Lowe, none of the Brat Pack regulars were drop dead good-looking. Cute, yes. But they were certainly all chosen for their attractive, yet relatable looks and personalities. Because they all resembled white, suburban kids who were 'coming of age,' Only how many times can audiences watch these same actors 'come of age?" I think that's why most of their careers stalled. Molly Ringwald was offered the Julia Roberts role in Pretty Woman and wisely turned it down. Could you even imagine Ringwald playing that role? It would've seemed like the characters from Breakfast Club and Pretty in Pink somehow veered into prostitution.
David the writer is kind of an ass. He wrote something that affected their lives and can't apologize for it. And then he has the gall to say in the doc that it hurt his feelings when the Time magazine writer went on Phil Donohue and apologized to them for his profession (referring to the article). Boo hoo
He rode on their coattails to make a name for himself. I think he was jealous of their fame and success. Especially, Rob, Andrew, and Judd. Because he knew he could never be as cool or successful as they were. It's the school nerd getting revenge on the cool kids.
100%. He gave a real jealous incel vibe when writing about the attention they got from women.
Was there. A book
Had. Friend. Lived in dc. We stayed. At her house. Got in bar 1985. 1986. We got in some. Places we go shoping. After shoping. We go to the. Bar have drinks.
innever saw the term as negative imp[act. i saw it as describing a new type of rebellious youth. there old guard will always sat brat
Andrew McCarthy isn't part of The Brat Pack by any measure or standing... I suppose he's considered by proxy... Jon Cryer isn't a Brat... This film was boring... The Brat Pack cliche is a term of endearment, not a knock... Andrew made this all about him... Don't get me wrong, The '80's was indeed the greatest era in history and I enjoyed all of the movies....
@@JoyP-rw5bc That doesn't make him a member... The initial article that started it all didn't acknowledge hm... Heck, even Andrew has said that he wasn't a member of the group... Clearly, Andrew is looking to revive his name and nothing more...
McCarthy was actually named in the article though. People seem to make up their own minds as to who was a member. The actual people named would probably surprise many.
Thanks for filling me in on this info I'm gonna delete my comment
Did anyone actually like those movies ? i think kids just went to the theaters so much to have an excuse to make out and plus because actually watching the movie was so bad ?
Of course people liked and loved them. "The Breakfast Club" and "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" were and are brilliant. Some of the others were fluffier fare, but they had the ring of authenticity and have stuck with people, like "Pretty in Pink."
Why does john cryer always have to be awkward and flamboyant?This was a chance for him to redeem himself. Smh. SAD.
What exactly so you mean by that statement
@@Veroave3lol, what don't u understand about his comment?
Meanwhile in the 80s long duk dong traumatized a generation of asian american men. Molly Ringwald writes an article about how rape Hughes' dialogue was in retrospect, and lgbtq+ had hardly an ally in 80s teen films. So, yeah, being called a "brat" must have been devastating.
Cry more..😢
@@RestrainingHollywood yeah, you fascist. 😄