I love how much context this gives to the story. “...which would explain why the introverted Darcy would have disliked asking a stranger to dance” 🤯 It makes so much sense!
Yeah, until I started doing historical dance research, I never realized what a big deal it was to ask someone to dance. I had no idea that you didn't change partners for at least half an hour and a good third of that time you were inactive and expected to make small talk... That's introvert purgatory!
When I first learned that you would go to midnight supper with whomever you danced with before midnight, I literally hyperventilated a bit. It would be rude to refuse a dance for no reason if one's first (or second or tenth) choice didn't ask, and the idea of meal's worth of small talk with someone I don't know well while others are occupied with their supper partner is exhausting.
@@kidlitfanful yeah, that IS intimidating! And in Emma it makes Mr. Knightley dancing with Harriet a very big deal because it was the last before supper!
This is so great!! I love these illuminations of the kinds of things Austen's readers would take for granted, that we later readers don't always understand or have full context for. Thank you for all that awesome info!
I'm going to ramble for a bit (and I haven't watched the whole video yet) but I think it's really interesting that just a few years back nobody in mainstream media really seemed to care about historical accuracy in the depth we do today, or at least it wasn't as widespread and popular. I've been on youtube for many (many) years and costube really gained popularity relatively recently, I personally learned a lot and now pay attention to costumes when I watch media, and in turn I noticed in today's movies and series there's a tendency to portray the clothes more accurately, and for people to notice more if there are glaring mistakes. On the other hand, I've never thought twice about historical dancing before starting to watch this channel, and I've already started to see a difference in how I consume this type of media. Idk if there is or if there is going to be a big historical dancing youtube community, and if that's going to affect the way film producers prioritize dancing in future projects, but in my opinion there's probably a lot of similarities between historical dancing now and the historical costumes scene some years ago. I hope it means more effort being put into dancing in movies from now on! And I can't wait to learn more about it (Sorry for the long comment, I had a lot of Thoughts. The video until now is very cool btw)
Great comment! As far as I know dancetube is not yet a thing. Historical dancing has always been my passion, but it's still a really niche hobby even for costume/reenactment folks. I just can't find enough interest to be able to teach more than the 101 stuff, and I SO want to teach the advanced stuff!
@@teawithcassiane8431 as someone who's just started to gain interest in it, watching someone speaking passionately and with propriety about these niche interests is what makes me want to learn more tbh, so I really hope more people start talking about historical dancing as well! It's cool because it ties in nicely with costuming and set design and all that to make up the ambiance of the scenes, and it's also cool to see the clothes in action during the dances, as they'd be used at the time. Maybe once social gatherings are a thing again we'd be able to see what historical dances were really supposed to look like, that'd be fun (I love that specific interests mentality of "if movies aren't bothered to make it right than I will, watch")
@@justlola417 That's really encouraging. When I started this channel, I honestly thought no one would be interested. I thought I'd have a tiny niche audience of a few hardcore dancers and Janeites looking too improve their dancing. I never thought I'd get almost 4K subs.
This was such a lovely presentation! I had joined a country dance group last year and then Covid hit. I truly enjoyed learning about how dance in Jane Austen's day varied. I look forward to dancing in the future.
You're welcome! I've learned so much from your research papers. It's really an honor to have you say that. Thank you for publishing so much online for amateurs like myself to access!
Hello, This was a fascinating hour! While not a dancer, it was lovely to have some context around the dances depicted in Georgian novels. Thank you for your hard work :)
I've enjoyed all your Austen adaptation videos! I know Sense and Sensibility doesn't have a lot of dancing in it, but all three adaptations have at least a couple dances. I'd love to hear your thoughts on those! Persuasion also has a couple informal dances (and I think both adaptations I've seen include those). so I'd also like to hear your take on how accurate those were.
For variations gonna theme,.you can investigate and learn other countries--- other W and. NE Europe (at least in past, as in War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy), and Mexico, C and S America (including Brasil), Caribbean (all 4 languages), also Philippines, Seychelles, Mauritius, etc. In general, other peoples kept the dances but abandoned English music and substituted their own. Today, people who still do local ECD versions tend to be historical/folkloric dance groups, but SOCIAL dancers---?? RUclips has videos of local ECD versions from most of above countries and colonies. Many original ECD figures can be seen, but music diversity is amazing, especially Caribbean with W and C African syncopated rhythms. Enjoy !!!
@@teawithcassiane8431 There’s some ballroom and Country Western social dancing out there and I’m going to a Viennese Ball in March, plus the Bridgeton Experience in April. Dressing up and if they allow audience participation I’m doing it.
Most of part two is The Watsons. It's a treasure trove of dance info! Though MP has some good stuff as well, and surprisingly S&S has brief but VERY interesting mentions of dancing!
I'm surprised you left out two other important dance references in Northanger Abbey. The first time Catherine attends a dance with Mrs. Allen she is unable to get a partner because Mrs. Allen doesn't know anyone. At another dance, Catherine pre-books with John Thorpe and is then stood up by him when he doesn't turn up for the dance.
I think quiz here means to make fun of others though, not to go ask them questions right? Idk, can you quiz someone in the sense Austen would mean without addressing them? I am not sure! My Harvard annotated also supposes that it was mistake to write "quizzers" and that Throrpe probably means "quizzes", meaning he will make fun of his sisters, as he has already done. He's rude to his family all the time already. ("What is that quiz of a hat?"etc) Great video. Gonna keep coming back to it as reference, so I saved it! Northanger really confused me with its dialogue in the assembly scenes. This is helping!
I love how much context this gives to the story. “...which would explain why the introverted Darcy would have disliked asking a stranger to dance” 🤯 It makes so much sense!
Right? I just realised how I basically ignored all the important details and social cues when reading these kinds of scenes
Yeah, until I started doing historical dance research, I never realized what a big deal it was to ask someone to dance. I had no idea that you didn't change partners for at least half an hour and a good third of that time you were inactive and expected to make small talk... That's introvert purgatory!
When I first learned that you would go to midnight supper with whomever you danced with before midnight, I literally hyperventilated a bit. It would be rude to refuse a dance for no reason if one's first (or second or tenth) choice didn't ask, and the idea of meal's worth of small talk with someone I don't know well while others are occupied with their supper partner is exhausting.
@@kidlitfanful yeah, that IS intimidating! And in Emma it makes Mr. Knightley dancing with Harriet a very big deal because it was the last before supper!
This is so great!! I love these illuminations of the kinds of things Austen's readers would take for granted, that we later readers don't always understand or have full context for. Thank you for all that awesome info!
I'm going to ramble for a bit (and I haven't watched the whole video yet) but I think it's really interesting that just a few years back nobody in mainstream media really seemed to care about historical accuracy in the depth we do today, or at least it wasn't as widespread and popular.
I've been on youtube for many (many) years and costube really gained popularity relatively recently, I personally learned a lot and now pay attention to costumes when I watch media, and in turn I noticed in today's movies and series there's a tendency to portray the clothes more accurately, and for people to notice more if there are glaring mistakes. On the other hand, I've never thought twice about historical dancing before starting to watch this channel, and I've already started to see a difference in how I consume this type of media. Idk if there is or if there is going to be a big historical dancing youtube community, and if that's going to affect the way film producers prioritize dancing in future projects, but in my opinion there's probably a lot of similarities between historical dancing now and the historical costumes scene some years ago. I hope it means more effort being put into dancing in movies from now on! And I can't wait to learn more about it
(Sorry for the long comment, I had a lot of Thoughts. The video until now is very cool btw)
Great comment! As far as I know dancetube is not yet a thing. Historical dancing has always been my passion, but it's still a really niche hobby even for costume/reenactment folks. I just can't find enough interest to be able to teach more than the 101 stuff, and I SO want to teach the advanced stuff!
@@teawithcassiane8431 as someone who's just started to gain interest in it, watching someone speaking passionately and with propriety about these niche interests is what makes me want to learn more tbh, so I really hope more people start talking about historical dancing as well!
It's cool because it ties in nicely with costuming and set design and all that to make up the ambiance of the scenes, and it's also cool to see the clothes in action during the dances, as they'd be used at the time. Maybe once social gatherings are a thing again we'd be able to see what historical dances were really supposed to look like, that'd be fun (I love that specific interests mentality of "if movies aren't bothered to make it right than I will, watch")
@@justlola417 That's really encouraging. When I started this channel, I honestly thought no one would be interested. I thought I'd have a tiny niche audience of a few hardcore dancers and Janeites looking too improve their dancing. I never thought I'd get almost 4K subs.
Your dedication does you proud.
This was such a lovely presentation! I had joined a country dance group last year and then Covid hit. I truly enjoyed learning about how dance in Jane Austen's day varied. I look forward to dancing in the future.
I LOVE your videos! Every time I watch a Jane Austen series or movie I am reminded of them (your videos.) Thank you for the excellent content! 💖
Honestly, thinking of my educational content when you watch adaptations is the ultimate compliment!
Aww *blush*, thanks for the shout-outs. Nice work on the video, you've covered a lot of material, it's really very well done. :-)
You're welcome! I've learned so much from your research papers. It's really an honor to have you say that. Thank you for publishing so much online for amateurs like myself to access!
Another awesome video! Looking forward to part 2 :)
Hello,
This was a fascinating hour! While not a dancer, it was lovely to have some context around the dances depicted in Georgian novels. Thank you for your hard work :)
I've enjoyed all your Austen adaptation videos! I know Sense and Sensibility doesn't have a lot of dancing in it, but all three adaptations have at least a couple dances. I'd love to hear your thoughts on those! Persuasion also has a couple informal dances (and I think both adaptations I've seen include those). so I'd also like to hear your take on how accurate those were.
Thank you for such a thorough analysis. I can't wait for part two! :)
This is so interesting! As someone who just discovered Regency balls a few months before covid, I am especially interested in this topic!
For variations gonna theme,.you can
investigate and learn other countries--- other W and. NE Europe (at least in past,
as in War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy),
and Mexico, C and S America (including
Brasil), Caribbean (all 4 languages), also
Philippines, Seychelles, Mauritius, etc.
In general, other peoples kept the dances
but abandoned English music and
substituted their own. Today, people
who still do local ECD versions tend to be historical/folkloric dance groups, but
SOCIAL dancers---??
RUclips has videos of local ECD versions from most of above countries and colonies. Many original ECD figures
can be seen, but music diversity is amazing, especially Caribbean with
W and C African syncopated rhythms.
Enjoy !!!
Thank you!
Ooh, I love the frock!
Being an ECD and ball attendee I love this although there’s been no dancing since 2019.
I'm glad I can offer some solace in this drought of dancing. It's been challenging to get through without dancing the last few years too.
@@teawithcassiane8431 They’ve been offering virtual dancing but as a single it wasn’t work terribly well.
@@lesliedavid1244 if it's any consolation to hear, my husband and I didn't like virtual ECD even as a couple.
@@teawithcassiane8431 There’s some ballroom and Country Western social dancing out there and I’m going to a Viennese Ball in March, plus the Bridgeton Experience in April. Dressing up and if they allow audience participation I’m doing it.
I hope you will include The Watsons in the second half. There's a lot of dancing in it.
Most of part two is The Watsons. It's a treasure trove of dance info! Though MP has some good stuff as well, and surprisingly S&S has brief but VERY interesting mentions of dancing!
I'm surprised you left out two other important dance references in Northanger Abbey. The first time Catherine attends a dance with Mrs. Allen she is unable to get a partner because Mrs. Allen doesn't know anyone. At another dance, Catherine pre-books with John Thorpe and is then stood up by him when he doesn't turn up for the dance.
I left them out because they are rather self-explanatory. Instead I focused on only those scenes that yielded interesting historical details.
I think quiz here means to make fun of others though, not to go ask them questions right? Idk, can you quiz someone in the sense Austen would mean without addressing them? I am not sure! My Harvard annotated also supposes that it was mistake to write "quizzers" and that Throrpe probably means "quizzes", meaning he will make fun of his sisters, as he has already done. He's rude to his family all the time already. ("What is that quiz of a hat?"etc) Great video. Gonna keep coming back to it as reference, so I saved it! Northanger really confused me with its dialogue in the assembly scenes. This is helping!
Thanks for clarifying