Scene 3 possibly implies to me that if you play with low honor,you make it so that Arthur's whole history was like that and it's why Mary says "I can see you haven't changed much" if you reject helping. But is more accepting if you deny her with high honor because she probably feels Arthur is a good man who's just been too hurt by their past.
I get annoyed by how blindly fans hate Mary even when she didn't even force Arthur to help her and don't take it to heart, understanding that Arthur is hurt by their past. And she was the one who asked Arthur to run away with her. Mary is highly underrated among fandom
@@Flash36593 Same. The way a lot of the community united to hate on of this character that loves and cares for their favorite character is the most baffling thing to me about this fandom. For a game that's every element from characters, world, missions, feature, and clothing is beloved and staunchly defended by its fans, it's odd how they decided to hate on this one character by making BS reasons for why they're a terrible person. Not once have I heard someone offer a logical, in-game reason for why they hate her. I guess they just do either because she gets in the way of their outlaw fantasy by being a person who they feel rejected the badass outlaw protagonist or because she gets in the way of their Sadie Adler fan-fictions.
Well I don’t really hate her but every time Arthur expected to have a real dating with her she came out with something he has to help her out with. He’s gotta be a man and set boundaries , that makes him even look more attractive to her
@@andristo206 I promise you Mary is not attracted to an Arthur who lets his pride get in the way and refuses to help her. Also they literally go on a date in the second mission, in fact Mary's the one who asks him.
@@Flash36593 tbf most of the gang in game wasnt fond of her either, so no surprise that the fandom doesnt. It also comes off as her using arthur because she knows he has a soft spot for her. At least thats what it felt like for me when i played.
I’m nearing the end of a low to high honour playthrough. Starting arthur out as a selfish and violent bastard that slowly becomes a better man after his diagnosis. Slowly redeeming himself by helping people and so far it’s been my favourite way to play the game. I really wanna try a playthrough from high to low honour to get a different depiction of the story. Where Arthur is a good kind man that slowly turns into a monster which ultimately becomes his undoing.
I guess you are messing up with all of that your permutation and combinations . The fact is Arthur started with low honor and end as low honour , that the way how Arthur is
Yeah, I try to play in-character a lot of the time so even if it's something that would be reasonably high honor, I avoid it. That's why I'm planning on doing a playthrough that's just me trying different stuff.
Eventhough she was a bit high strung and a real and proper lady, she was the perfect woman for Arthur. They are both stubborn to a fault and If anyone was going to put Arthur on the straight and narrow, it was her. Arthurs attitude when he is around her completely changes. He is nervous, fidgety and even a little submissive at first, showing her his vulnerable side. Showing us the kind of power Mary had over him. You can tell their last time together before seperating was a massive argument and they didnt part ways on good terms, After rescuing Jamie, Arthur is quite cold towards her, declining to shake her hand and not engaging in making a connection with her. This showed me that Arthur simply isnt over her and is still very bitter about how things ended and is putting a boundary between them, she really, really hurt him. He wanted her heart and refused to settle for anything less. By their second meeting, though, Arthur is alot more relaxed and warmer, even flirting with her a little. Rodger is such a terrific actor that he has managed to captivate Arthurs every emotion
I only didn't help her cause I was actually taking my goddamn time to make a decision (which Rockstar clearly doesn't seem to know exists) and the damn game automatically made me choose to not help
Scene 3, I would say she was more disappointed and heartbroken than anything else. Whatever they're personal history was, I can see helping out her little brother, his being a green kid and all. But helping her with her father, considering her father was a jackass to Arthur, although giver Arthur's lifestyle it can be understandable as to why he disapproved of their being together, it felt to me at that point Mary was using Arthur for her own benefit, maybe not with any malicious intent but still using him nonetheless, which is why in my playthrough, or at least the 2nd one, I had Arthur decline. That said, Rockstar had said that initially Arthur was supposed to have had a 2nd girlfriend before the idea was eventually squashed, but honestly I wish they'd kept it in, because frankly I got tired of Arthur pining over Mary and not moving on with his life. We all have that one that got away, but even so it doesn't change the fact that life goes on, and as long as you stay stuck on the past, you'll miss out on the present and will never have a future as a result. So I wish they'd have kept that original idea in the game in order to illustrate that truth about life.
lmao you're entirely missing the point of it. Arthur keeps living in the past because he still loves mary, but the lifestyle he leads, and the people he feels needs to provide to keep him back from it. The outlaw life took "Fatherhood and other dreams" away from him
I recommend people beat the game with low honor the first time and play the second time with high honor because you will see that Mary Linton respected and honored Arthur as her real husband since she is the only person after John who goes to his funeral and burial. Arthur with high honor or low honor in other words and she regrets having forever embittered the Man she rejected and in a way Arthur decided to sacrifice himself for John's family to Run away with Mary and have a good wife for the rest life in another country with all the money he had Mary is a woman dedicated to her family even though her father is a monster and destroys her, that is, she would have a lot of love and affection if she had a family with Arthur, which he, in a way, due to the bitterness of past decided to be indifferent towards her.
@@asseylum_2.012Well, I don't know what woman this is if she just wants to use you, but she's the only woman who went to your funeral, not even Sadie Addler, who had great regard for Arthur as a brother. The only good thing in a way that she does is take the initiative to avenging Arthur's death to Mary would have been perfect if Arthur hadn't had a criminal and dishonorable life no matter how much you maintain honor Arthur is an anti-hero what he does to Thomas Downes just because he was angry at what a kind and honorable pious man did in illness and even dying he raised money for charity Tuberculosis was a karma for Arthur since his son with Mary died of the same disease and Arthur in the future in the last epilogues of the game regrets having killed Thomas and helps his widowed wife I I don't know why people are angry with Mary Linton since she was a woman of honor who loved, honored and respected her family, a woman of class and honor who didn't accept love with a Disgraced Criminal who the game makes us have equal empathy with Don Vito corleone in the godfather.
its obviously so canon to help her it comes natural for arthur to help her but when it comes to denying her hes awkward and shy to confront her as if hes just trying to force himself to say no and when she got upset instead of being like “yeah lol okay then” this dude tries to chase her inside as a first reaction
this is why i dont get everyone slandering mary. "shes just using him" he helps her WILLINGLY. arthur had the choice to walk away, but he doesn't. so don't ever just blame mary for asking arthur for help. i love their tragic romance so much urghhgh
I recommend people beat the game with low honor the first time and play the second time with high honor because you will see that Mary Linton respected and honored Arthur as her real husband since she is the only person after John who goes to his funeral and burial. Arthur with high honor or low honor in other words and she regrets having forever embittered the Man she rejected and in a way Arthur decided to sacrifice himself for John's family to Run away with Mary and have a good wife for the rest life in another country with all the money he had Mary is a woman dedicated to her family even though her father is a monster and destroys her, that is, she would have a lot of love and affection if she had a family with Arthur, which he, in a way, due to the bitterness of past decided to be indifferent towards her.
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Scene 3 possibly implies to me that if you play with low honor,you make it so that Arthur's whole history was like that and it's why Mary says "I can see you haven't changed much" if you reject helping. But is more accepting if you deny her with high honor because she probably feels Arthur is a good man who's just been too hurt by their past.
I get annoyed by how blindly fans hate Mary even when she didn't even force Arthur to help her and don't take it to heart, understanding that Arthur is hurt by their past. And she was the one who asked Arthur to run away with her. Mary is highly underrated among fandom
@@Flash36593 Same. The way a lot of the community united to hate on of this character that loves and cares for their favorite character is the most baffling thing to me about this fandom. For a game that's every element from characters, world, missions, feature, and clothing is beloved and staunchly defended by its fans, it's odd how they decided to hate on this one character by making BS reasons for why they're a terrible person. Not once have I heard someone offer a logical, in-game reason for why they hate her. I guess they just do either because she gets in the way of their outlaw fantasy by being a person who they feel rejected the badass outlaw protagonist or because she gets in the way of their Sadie Adler fan-fictions.
Well I don’t really hate her but every time Arthur expected to have a real dating with her she came out with something he has to help her out with.
He’s gotta be a man and set boundaries , that makes him even look more attractive to her
@@andristo206 I promise you Mary is not attracted to an Arthur who lets his pride get in the way and refuses to help her. Also they literally go on a date in the second mission, in fact Mary's the one who asks him.
@@Flash36593 tbf most of the gang in game wasnt fond of her either, so no surprise that the fandom doesnt. It also comes off as her using arthur because she knows he has a soft spot for her. At least thats what it felt like for me when i played.
I’m nearing the end of a low to high honour playthrough.
Starting arthur out as a selfish and violent bastard that slowly becomes a better man after his diagnosis. Slowly redeeming himself by helping people and so far it’s been my favourite way to play the game.
I really wanna try a playthrough from high to low honour to get a different depiction of the story. Where Arthur is a good kind man that slowly turns into a monster which ultimately becomes his undoing.
Why not just a purely low honor playthrough?
Cool
I only ever finished the game with max honor
I guess you are messing up with all of that your permutation and combinations . The fact is Arthur started with low honor and end as low honour , that the way how Arthur is
Remember Mary Linton wept at Arthur‘s grave. She too never stopped loving him!
too little too late
She had another errand for him...
Actually its Arthur voice actor Roger Clark weeping at his grave in the form of Mary Linton
@@deshdeepak8890Man Arthur loved Mary so much he decided to reincarnate into her
Yup
MmmmmmMmmmmmMmmmmm, You never witness certain cutscenes because you wouldn't normally do stuff to get the certain cutscene/dialog
Yeah, I try to play in-character a lot of the time so even if it's something that would be reasonably high honor, I avoid it. That's why I'm planning on doing a playthrough that's just me trying different stuff.
@@themadtitan7603 mm
She always calls Arthur when she wants something.
Like a fiddle
Eventhough she was a bit high strung and a real and proper lady, she was the perfect woman for Arthur. They are both stubborn to a fault and If anyone was going to put Arthur on the straight and narrow, it was her. Arthurs attitude when he is around her completely changes. He is nervous, fidgety and even a little submissive at first, showing her his vulnerable side. Showing us the kind of power Mary had over him. You can tell their last time together before seperating was a massive argument and they didnt part ways on good terms, After rescuing Jamie, Arthur is quite cold towards her, declining to shake her hand and not engaging in making a connection with her. This showed me that Arthur simply isnt over her and is still very bitter about how things ended and is putting a boundary between them, she really, really hurt him. He wanted her heart and refused to settle for anything less.
By their second meeting, though, Arthur is alot more relaxed and warmer, even flirting with her a little. Rodger is such a terrific actor that he has managed to captivate Arthurs every emotion
I only didn't help her cause I was actually taking my goddamn time to make a decision (which Rockstar clearly doesn't seem to know exists) and the damn game automatically made me choose to not help
Scene 3, I would say she was more disappointed and heartbroken than anything else.
Whatever they're personal history was, I can see helping out her little brother, his being a green kid and all. But helping her with her father, considering her father was a jackass to Arthur, although giver Arthur's lifestyle it can be understandable as to why he disapproved of their being together, it felt to me at that point Mary was using Arthur for her own benefit, maybe not with any malicious intent but still using him nonetheless, which is why in my playthrough, or at least the 2nd one, I had Arthur decline.
That said, Rockstar had said that initially Arthur was supposed to have had a 2nd girlfriend before the idea was eventually squashed, but honestly I wish they'd kept it in, because frankly I got tired of Arthur pining over Mary and not moving on with his life.
We all have that one that got away, but even so it doesn't change the fact that life goes on, and as long as you stay stuck on the past, you'll miss out on the present and will never have a future as a result.
So I wish they'd have kept that original idea in the game in order to illustrate that truth about life.
*chefs kiss
Well said.
lmao you're entirely missing the point of it. Arthur keeps living in the past because he still loves mary, but the lifestyle he leads, and the people he feels needs to provide to keep him back from it. The outlaw life took "Fatherhood and other dreams" away from him
"You don't get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you." will not have a meaning to Arthur then if that happen.
I recommend people beat the game with low honor the first time and play the second time with high honor because you will see that Mary Linton respected and honored Arthur as her real husband since she is the only person after John who goes to his funeral and burial. Arthur with high honor or low honor in other words and she regrets having forever embittered the Man she rejected and in a way Arthur decided to sacrifice himself for John's family to Run away with Mary and have a good wife for the rest life in another country with all the money he had Mary is a woman dedicated to her family even though her father is a monster and destroys her, that is, she would have a lot of love and affection if she had a family with Arthur, which he, in a way, due to the bitterness of past decided to be indifferent towards her.
@@asseylum_2.012Well, I don't know what woman this is if she just wants to use you, but she's the only woman who went to your funeral, not even Sadie Addler, who had great regard for Arthur as a brother. The only good thing in a way that she does is take the initiative to avenging Arthur's death to Mary would have been perfect if Arthur hadn't had a criminal and dishonorable life no matter how much you maintain honor Arthur is an anti-hero what he does to Thomas Downes just because he was angry at what a kind and honorable pious man did in illness and even dying he raised money for charity Tuberculosis was a karma for Arthur since his son with Mary died of the same disease and Arthur in the future in the last epilogues of the game regrets having killed Thomas and helps his widowed wife I I don't know why people are angry with Mary Linton since she was a woman of honor who loved, honored and respected her family, a woman of class and honor who didn't accept love with a Disgraced Criminal who the game makes us have equal empathy with Don Vito corleone in the godfather.
its obviously so canon to help her
it comes natural for arthur to help her but when it comes to denying her hes awkward and shy to confront her as if hes just trying to force himself to say no and when she got upset instead of being like “yeah lol okay then” this dude tries to chase her inside as a first reaction
Scene 3 is not low honor, it happens if you don't make any choice.
Try it.. It's low honor..
It’s low honor if you don’t choose anything
@@AshwinYyear late but just did it its low honor no choice
this is why i dont get everyone slandering mary. "shes just using him" he helps her WILLINGLY. arthur had the choice to walk away, but he doesn't. so don't ever just blame mary for asking arthur for help.
i love their tragic romance so much urghhgh
I recommend people beat the game with low honor the first time and play the second time with high honor because you will see that Mary Linton respected and honored Arthur as her real husband since she is the only person after John who goes to his funeral and burial. Arthur with high honor or low honor in other words and she regrets having forever embittered the Man she rejected and in a way Arthur decided to sacrifice himself for John's family to Run away with Mary and have a good wife for the rest life in another country with all the money he had Mary is a woman dedicated to her family even though her father is a monster and destroys her, that is, she would have a lot of love and affection if she had a family with Arthur, which he, in a way, due to the bitterness of past decided to be indifferent towards her.
If you help her when you get to the mountain and help Jamie if you shoot on of the guys it will play a secret cutscene
It has nothing to do with honor, it's the fact that you waited so long without answering.
bro why is she so heartbroken
Because she was still in love with Arthur
Both of them are too proud to live the others lifestyle (Mary wont go with the gang and Arthur wont leave the gang) but they still love each other
Mary nothing but a user she just uses Arthur for what she wants then breaks up with him
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She didn’t seem angry to me
its a mix of the two, angry and sad, though the amount sadness is greater than anger
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Lol
Wahhhh I ask you for one million favours while constantly berating you, unprovoked wahhhhh
Find your own damn brother lmao
I fell in love with her for a Lil while ❤️🤠 she's really beautiful
Odd i have really low honor but she still was kind when i turned her down
Why did you edit out the part where you kill her livestock and burn the barn ?
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Its not mary’s farm shes just renting it
She kinda reminds me of Clara from Back to the Future 3